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Greetings Liam, Rugby world never slows down. 11 00:00:51,453 --> 00:00:52,893 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the pod. 12 00:00:53,893 --> 00:00:57,253 Speaker 3: Great to be helliotts and no, it doesn't, particularly when 13 00:00:57,293 --> 00:00:59,813 Speaker 3: you're in the midst of appointing a new All Blacks 14 00:00:59,893 --> 00:01:03,093 Speaker 3: coaching team. There's always going to be sparks and flurries 15 00:01:03,173 --> 00:01:06,093 Speaker 3: and news of points in. It's what we're having over 16 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:07,453 Speaker 3: the last few weeks, isn't it. 17 00:01:07,533 --> 00:01:09,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, there certainly. Well, there was a couple of media 18 00:01:09,093 --> 00:01:12,333 Speaker 2: autlet's yesterday reporting that tana Umanga is in line to 19 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:15,853 Speaker 2: become an assistant coach with the All Blacks. We did 20 00:01:15,933 --> 00:01:18,013 Speaker 2: bring up his name, I think on the Monday Pod 21 00:01:18,053 --> 00:01:21,413 Speaker 2: potentially and know he's been mentioned elsewhere on the breakdown, 22 00:01:21,453 --> 00:01:24,773 Speaker 2: et cetera. Too. What's the latest. What are you hearing 23 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:28,133 Speaker 2: around the potential of tana umang A joining that day 24 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:29,253 Speaker 2: for Renny coaching stuff? 25 00:01:30,533 --> 00:01:33,293 Speaker 3: Well, I think there where they smoked this fire Elliott 26 00:01:33,333 --> 00:01:37,573 Speaker 3: with these things. But at this stage, no assistants have 27 00:01:37,693 --> 00:01:42,053 Speaker 3: been offered coaching contracts, so it's certainly not a dune 28 00:01:42,093 --> 00:01:45,733 Speaker 3: deal with anyone. No firm decisions have been made. I 29 00:01:45,733 --> 00:01:49,053 Speaker 3: think Rennie's still doing his due diligence about because it's 30 00:01:49,093 --> 00:01:51,973 Speaker 3: not just technically and tactically, is it. It's about an 31 00:01:51,973 --> 00:01:56,373 Speaker 3: any coaching team who can work with whom, what personalities 32 00:01:56,413 --> 00:02:00,413 Speaker 3: are involved, What New Zealand Rugby wants, what Rennie wants. 33 00:02:00,493 --> 00:02:02,693 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of moving parts involved in this. 34 00:02:02,853 --> 00:02:06,253 Speaker 3: But look, in regards to tana umager, I did have 35 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:08,293 Speaker 3: a bit of correspondence with them, just back and forth 36 00:02:08,373 --> 00:02:12,573 Speaker 3: over a text message, and he was civically nonchalant, saying, 37 00:02:13,253 --> 00:02:16,133 Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't comment on speculation, but he's slated 38 00:02:16,213 --> 00:02:20,653 Speaker 3: to be considered. So look, he's firmly in the mix 39 00:02:20,773 --> 00:02:23,213 Speaker 3: and Dave Rennie wants him to be his defense coach, 40 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:25,693 Speaker 3: which would effectively replace Tamody Ellison. 41 00:02:26,613 --> 00:02:27,333 Speaker 4: So if we just there. 42 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:30,853 Speaker 3: With that in isolation, how do you think tana Umonger 43 00:02:30,893 --> 00:02:33,333 Speaker 3: would go as an all black defense coach. 44 00:02:33,453 --> 00:02:35,733 Speaker 2: Well, I think that would be the role for him 45 00:02:35,813 --> 00:02:38,973 Speaker 2: his sister. Sorry, his head coaching time at the Blues 46 00:02:39,093 --> 00:02:42,573 Speaker 2: didn't really work out. He was shuffled out of the 47 00:02:42,893 --> 00:02:46,013 Speaker 2: early Remember Leo McDonald came on board back end of 48 00:02:46,013 --> 00:02:49,093 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and took over for twenty nineteen when tana 49 00:02:49,213 --> 00:02:51,733 Speaker 2: Umanga was supposed to be head coaching. But it was 50 00:02:51,773 --> 00:02:54,293 Speaker 2: then over the next couple of years that they he 51 00:02:54,333 --> 00:02:57,293 Speaker 2: sort of found his niche with the Blues for a 52 00:02:57,293 --> 00:02:59,933 Speaker 2: couple of seasons. Their defense is pretty strong. He developed 53 00:02:59,973 --> 00:03:02,853 Speaker 2: some good systems and then left I think was at 54 00:03:02,853 --> 00:03:06,613 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Ended up becoming Mawana coach down the track, 55 00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:09,693 Speaker 2: but it felt like maybe as an assistant that was 56 00:03:09,733 --> 00:03:12,533 Speaker 2: a role he was perhaps better suited to than being 57 00:03:12,653 --> 00:03:14,253 Speaker 2: an out and out head coach, and he wouldn't be 58 00:03:14,293 --> 00:03:16,333 Speaker 2: alone in that. There's been a number of coaches that 59 00:03:16,333 --> 00:03:19,533 Speaker 2: are better place to narrow their focus down on one 60 00:03:19,613 --> 00:03:22,213 Speaker 2: element of the game and not have to worry about 61 00:03:22,253 --> 00:03:25,773 Speaker 2: the full package and essentially being the CEO of the team, 62 00:03:25,773 --> 00:03:27,653 Speaker 2: but really zero in on one thing. I think that's 63 00:03:27,693 --> 00:03:31,613 Speaker 2: where tana Umonger's strength has ultimately been found. So Dave 64 00:03:31,693 --> 00:03:34,253 Speaker 2: Rennie of course coached tana umung a way back win 65 00:03:34,373 --> 00:03:37,773 Speaker 2: for Wellington and the early two thousands, so there is 66 00:03:37,813 --> 00:03:39,973 Speaker 2: a history between those two as well. But I think 67 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:43,413 Speaker 2: ultimately you can't judge t Umo on his head coaching 68 00:03:43,493 --> 00:03:47,173 Speaker 2: role necessarily. I think his defense is, you know, something 69 00:03:47,173 --> 00:03:49,693 Speaker 2: that the Blues prided themselves on when they were at 70 00:03:49,893 --> 00:03:52,333 Speaker 2: when he was at the team as the defense coach. 71 00:03:52,373 --> 00:03:54,893 Speaker 2: So look, I think it's a if it happens, a 72 00:03:54,933 --> 00:03:55,973 Speaker 2: fairly astute appointment. 73 00:03:57,013 --> 00:03:58,853 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I think it's a great way to 74 00:03:58,893 --> 00:03:59,173 Speaker 4: put it. 75 00:03:59,853 --> 00:04:02,293 Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of elements to explore with 76 00:04:02,373 --> 00:04:05,253 Speaker 3: tana and you mentioned as Blues coaching tenure there, but 77 00:04:05,573 --> 00:04:09,493 Speaker 3: he's also had He's vastly experienced as a coach and 78 00:04:09,813 --> 00:04:12,133 Speaker 3: maybe it's because of what he achieved as a player 79 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:14,213 Speaker 3: that that gets a wee bit lost. But he's been 80 00:04:14,213 --> 00:04:17,293 Speaker 3: coaching for fifteen years now. He did five years in 81 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:21,173 Speaker 3: France or Toulon, he did some time at the Chiefs 82 00:04:22,293 --> 00:04:24,893 Speaker 3: and he did really well with Connie's Monaco. They won 83 00:04:24,933 --> 00:04:28,853 Speaker 3: the Roan Fallly Shield. Obviously, the Blues and then Mouana 84 00:04:29,013 --> 00:04:32,773 Speaker 3: and obviously Arti had a massive impact and influence on 85 00:04:32,813 --> 00:04:36,573 Speaker 3: that team, but Tana was a huge factor in Ardi 86 00:04:36,733 --> 00:04:40,573 Speaker 3: going to Moana in the first place, but also Moana 87 00:04:40,653 --> 00:04:45,053 Speaker 3: last year. Remember, outside of Arti, I'll challenge you to 88 00:04:45,133 --> 00:04:47,253 Speaker 3: name many players in that team that any Super Ragby 89 00:04:47,253 --> 00:04:50,053 Speaker 3: team would have been chasing. And yet they knocked over 90 00:04:50,773 --> 00:04:53,413 Speaker 3: every New Zealand Super Ragby team I think by the 91 00:04:53,533 --> 00:04:59,293 Speaker 3: Chiefs when were one when within the playoffs. So from 92 00:04:59,293 --> 00:05:02,493 Speaker 3: a head coaching perspective of a team that had a 93 00:05:02,533 --> 00:05:05,453 Speaker 3: real lack of star power and depth, did bloody well 94 00:05:05,493 --> 00:05:09,773 Speaker 3: on that occasion. And then of course there's this Pacifica 95 00:05:09,853 --> 00:05:12,613 Speaker 3: element that's forming around the All Blacks, isn't there. Dave Renny, 96 00:05:12,693 --> 00:05:15,973 Speaker 3: the first All Blacks head coach of Pacifica Heritage, his 97 00:05:16,613 --> 00:05:22,053 Speaker 3: mother from Raratonga tana Umaga, the first All Blacks captain 98 00:05:22,093 --> 00:05:28,053 Speaker 3: of Pacifica heritage in history, has a great way of 99 00:05:28,173 --> 00:05:31,853 Speaker 3: connecting and bringing through that culture and I think that's 100 00:05:31,853 --> 00:05:35,693 Speaker 3: probably something that was lacking within that All Black camp 101 00:05:36,173 --> 00:05:38,813 Speaker 3: under Raiser. And if you look at the demographic of 102 00:05:39,133 --> 00:05:42,293 Speaker 3: not just the All Blacks but Super rugby teams NRL teams. 103 00:05:43,293 --> 00:05:49,493 Speaker 3: Increasingly those are populated by players with Pacifica and Maldi heritage. 104 00:05:49,493 --> 00:05:53,373 Speaker 3: So I think it is in a stoote move and 105 00:05:53,413 --> 00:05:56,453 Speaker 3: I think it is probably nigh on time that we 106 00:05:56,493 --> 00:06:00,733 Speaker 3: see more representation from Pacifica and Maldi in an All 107 00:06:00,733 --> 00:06:02,813 Speaker 3: Blacks coaching team, and I think that could only only 108 00:06:02,853 --> 00:06:05,813 Speaker 3: help the team, particularly when you're looking at effectively a 109 00:06:05,813 --> 00:06:07,213 Speaker 3: cultural rebuild for this team. 110 00:06:07,293 --> 00:06:10,733 Speaker 2: Isn't it is? And among A former captain, brings a 111 00:06:10,733 --> 00:06:13,413 Speaker 2: lot of Mana, but it can't just be about Mana alone. 112 00:06:13,453 --> 00:06:15,053 Speaker 2: It can't just be about what he's going to bring 113 00:06:15,093 --> 00:06:17,333 Speaker 2: to the culture. It's got to be on the defense. 114 00:06:18,413 --> 00:06:20,533 Speaker 2: And to be honest, that's probably an area that they 115 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:24,493 Speaker 2: haven't really solidified the All Blacks in the last few years, 116 00:06:24,813 --> 00:06:26,893 Speaker 2: is that that defensive role. There's been a lot of 117 00:06:26,973 --> 00:06:31,133 Speaker 2: weak tries conceded. You know, Timothy Allison maybe was a 118 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:33,813 Speaker 2: bit too far early in his coaching career for him 119 00:06:33,853 --> 00:06:36,693 Speaker 2: to take on that role and bring the changes in 120 00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:39,453 Speaker 2: the All Blacks environment. Scott McLeod did it until twenty 121 00:06:39,453 --> 00:06:42,293 Speaker 2: twenty three as well, but he took over from Wayne Smith. 122 00:06:42,333 --> 00:06:45,693 Speaker 2: So the bandon has been passed around and no one's 123 00:06:45,773 --> 00:06:48,573 Speaker 2: really sort of taken it and charged toward it. Towards it, 124 00:06:48,613 --> 00:06:51,053 Speaker 2: so there's, you know, the possibility that he might be 125 00:06:51,133 --> 00:06:53,333 Speaker 2: able to make some quick shifts in this department if 126 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:54,053 Speaker 2: he is appointed. 127 00:06:55,173 --> 00:06:57,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you say, there needs to be because 128 00:06:58,213 --> 00:07:02,293 Speaker 3: I think somebody Elson we've discussed will be a good 129 00:07:02,293 --> 00:07:04,453 Speaker 3: coach in time. But as you say, I think was 130 00:07:04,813 --> 00:07:08,533 Speaker 3: probably promoted to a position of influence too, So I 131 00:07:08,573 --> 00:07:11,973 Speaker 3: think he started as a contact coach within the All 132 00:07:11,973 --> 00:07:15,533 Speaker 3: Blacks but was quickly elevated to the defense brief when 133 00:07:15,573 --> 00:07:21,293 Speaker 3: Scott Hansen assumed a switch from defense to attack and look, 134 00:07:21,333 --> 00:07:23,773 Speaker 3: defense is so prevalent in modern day rugby, whether it 135 00:07:23,773 --> 00:07:28,453 Speaker 3: be rush defense or umbrella style, you know, shutting down 136 00:07:28,493 --> 00:07:31,733 Speaker 3: time and space and playmakers. That's evolved massively in recent times. 137 00:07:31,733 --> 00:07:35,733 Speaker 3: You've seen the league influence coming with David Kidwell and 138 00:07:36,173 --> 00:07:39,293 Speaker 3: Shawn Edwards going to France and others, so it's a 139 00:07:39,373 --> 00:07:42,693 Speaker 3: very important brief. There are others that have done well 140 00:07:42,693 --> 00:07:45,173 Speaker 3: within New Zealand rugby. I think Craig McGrath and the 141 00:07:45,213 --> 00:07:48,413 Speaker 3: Blues is quite highly regarded and abroad other keywis like 142 00:07:48,453 --> 00:07:52,653 Speaker 3: Jared Payne in Australia, Laurie Fisher is as. 143 00:07:52,533 --> 00:07:53,573 Speaker 4: Well regarded as well. 144 00:07:53,693 --> 00:07:56,653 Speaker 3: So it's an important area that the All Blacks need 145 00:07:56,693 --> 00:08:01,773 Speaker 3: to get right. And maybe Tanna's the guy, maybe he's not, 146 00:08:01,933 --> 00:08:04,973 Speaker 3: but I think he would be an upgrade on somebody Allison. 147 00:08:05,213 --> 00:08:07,853 Speaker 2: So there's tracks with what we sort of put out 148 00:08:07,853 --> 00:08:11,133 Speaker 2: there on Monday in the podcast that Jason Ryan would 149 00:08:11,173 --> 00:08:14,893 Speaker 2: be the only survivor of the previous coaching raging to 150 00:08:15,173 --> 00:08:17,853 Speaker 2: retain a job. Assuming that goes ahead and anything changes 151 00:08:17,853 --> 00:08:18,173 Speaker 2: from this. 152 00:08:18,133 --> 00:08:21,133 Speaker 3: Point potentially, Yeah, I think there's a bit of a 153 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:24,293 Speaker 3: standoff brewing between an early standoff between he's on on 154 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:28,813 Speaker 3: rugby and Dave Rennie around the attack. Brief now, I 155 00:08:28,893 --> 00:08:32,253 Speaker 3: expect Dave Rennie to take on a large role with 156 00:08:32,333 --> 00:08:32,813 Speaker 3: that attack. 157 00:08:32,893 --> 00:08:33,253 Speaker 4: That's his. 158 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:39,693 Speaker 3: Trademark, is I guess from it from a coaching perspective, 159 00:08:39,733 --> 00:08:41,533 Speaker 3: He's very strong an attack and I think that was 160 00:08:41,573 --> 00:08:45,373 Speaker 3: a reason he was preferred over Joseph. But Scott Hansen 161 00:08:45,493 --> 00:08:48,293 Speaker 3: is on a four year contract and we know he 162 00:08:48,293 --> 00:08:54,013 Speaker 3: held quite strong influence and responsibilities within Scott Robinson's team. 163 00:08:54,053 --> 00:08:56,813 Speaker 3: He was his two IC, he did a lot of 164 00:08:56,813 --> 00:09:00,933 Speaker 3: the on ground coaching. Him and Jason Ryan are both 165 00:09:00,973 --> 00:09:04,213 Speaker 3: on four year contracts, so having paid out Scott Robertson. 166 00:09:04,253 --> 00:09:07,613 Speaker 3: I think New Zealand Rugby is potentially keen for Scott 167 00:09:07,653 --> 00:09:10,133 Speaker 3: Hansen to be tained because then that would avoid them 168 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:11,373 Speaker 3: having to pay him out. 169 00:09:11,493 --> 00:09:12,253 Speaker 4: And of course. 170 00:09:12,093 --> 00:09:15,733 Speaker 3: Rennie wants Mike Blair, who's done a great job with 171 00:09:15,813 --> 00:09:18,933 Speaker 3: Kobe in recent years, the former Scotland halfback, to help 172 00:09:19,093 --> 00:09:21,333 Speaker 3: come in and run the attack, but he's one on. 173 00:09:21,493 --> 00:09:26,653 Speaker 3: Rugby have traditionally not hired or recruited foreign coach for 174 00:09:26,693 --> 00:09:28,453 Speaker 3: the All Blacks, so I think there's a bit of 175 00:09:28,453 --> 00:09:30,453 Speaker 3: a standoff browing there. It's gonna be interesting to see 176 00:09:30,493 --> 00:09:32,213 Speaker 3: how that transplires hate Daisen. 177 00:09:32,213 --> 00:09:33,733 Speaker 2: We've already got a standoff napes. 178 00:09:35,373 --> 00:09:39,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, these things never go quite so smoothly. But if 179 00:09:39,053 --> 00:09:41,733 Speaker 3: you think back to Razor, how do you think it 180 00:09:41,773 --> 00:09:46,293 Speaker 3: should play out? Raizorhead car Blanche that that didn't really 181 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:47,933 Speaker 3: unfolds too well? 182 00:09:48,773 --> 00:09:50,133 Speaker 4: How do you think this should play out? 183 00:09:50,213 --> 00:09:53,813 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's an interesting one, isn't it. Dave 184 00:09:53,853 --> 00:09:55,573 Speaker 2: Rennie should have his say on who he wants to 185 00:09:55,613 --> 00:09:59,493 Speaker 2: be his assistants, and I don't know that putting to 186 00:09:59,653 --> 00:10:02,973 Speaker 2: people together in an arranged marriage like potentially they may 187 00:10:03,293 --> 00:10:05,813 Speaker 2: have de forced to work with Scott Hansen is going 188 00:10:05,853 --> 00:10:08,053 Speaker 2: to be for the betterment of the All Blacks. I 189 00:10:08,053 --> 00:10:11,373 Speaker 2: think if they want this team to be set up 190 00:10:11,413 --> 00:10:14,373 Speaker 2: for winning the World Cup, they mentioned trajectory, Well, if 191 00:10:14,453 --> 00:10:16,613 Speaker 2: Dave Rennie doesn't believe that Scott Hanson is part of 192 00:10:16,613 --> 00:10:19,333 Speaker 2: that trajectory to get through to the World Cup, then 193 00:10:19,373 --> 00:10:21,773 Speaker 2: I think ultimately he's got to walk the plank. And 194 00:10:21,773 --> 00:10:23,333 Speaker 2: if they've got to pay him out then then so 195 00:10:23,453 --> 00:10:26,213 Speaker 2: be it. I think this is a special case here, 196 00:10:26,333 --> 00:10:28,133 Speaker 2: and look, you don't want the head coach to have 197 00:10:28,173 --> 00:10:32,813 Speaker 2: the ultimate savior needs to be some element of New 198 00:10:32,893 --> 00:10:36,093 Speaker 2: Zealand rugby giving sign off and agreeing with who he 199 00:10:36,093 --> 00:10:39,173 Speaker 2: puts forward. But also you know he's been thrust and 200 00:10:39,213 --> 00:10:42,693 Speaker 2: potentially made to work with someone that may not gel together. 201 00:10:42,773 --> 00:10:44,573 Speaker 2: So it's a tricky one. But I've got a sign 202 00:10:44,613 --> 00:10:45,893 Speaker 2: with probably Dave Rennie on this one. 203 00:10:47,053 --> 00:10:48,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you should be able to work people 204 00:10:48,693 --> 00:10:51,533 Speaker 3: he knows and trusts, and I think we saw last 205 00:10:51,613 --> 00:10:54,893 Speaker 3: year of the All Black's attack struggle consistently struggle with 206 00:10:54,973 --> 00:10:56,373 Speaker 3: Scott Hanson in that role. 207 00:10:57,613 --> 00:11:00,013 Speaker 4: So for me, it's a pretty black and white choice. 208 00:11:00,053 --> 00:11:02,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, stump up the cash, you pay him out, but 209 00:11:03,253 --> 00:11:05,053 Speaker 3: you know it is a business, but also the all 210 00:11:05,093 --> 00:11:07,853 Speaker 3: black springing that revenue. So you've got to give Dave 211 00:11:07,893 --> 00:11:11,533 Speaker 3: Rennie the beer chance to get that right. There's pros 212 00:11:11,533 --> 00:11:14,213 Speaker 3: and cons to every situation. Scott Hansen would be in 213 00:11:14,253 --> 00:11:17,213 Speaker 3: New Zealand, so he would be around to go around 214 00:11:17,213 --> 00:11:19,933 Speaker 3: the Super Rugby teams and deliver messages and whatnot. But 215 00:11:20,053 --> 00:11:24,173 Speaker 3: Mike Blair and Dave Renny are together in Japan, so 216 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:27,093 Speaker 3: while they would be coaching Kobe, I'm sure they'd find 217 00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:29,693 Speaker 3: time outside of that to discuss where they'd go with 218 00:11:29,693 --> 00:11:33,213 Speaker 3: your Blacks attack. They'd be living and breathing with each 219 00:11:33,253 --> 00:11:36,933 Speaker 3: other on a daily weekly basis, so I think that's 220 00:11:36,973 --> 00:11:38,493 Speaker 3: certainly the preference. 221 00:11:38,853 --> 00:11:41,773 Speaker 2: Indeed, let's move on news. A couple of days ago, 222 00:11:42,853 --> 00:11:47,533 Speaker 2: Crusaders quote unquote scrap at training between a couple of 223 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:50,933 Speaker 2: players Will Tucker one of their locks and Proprecersial Psychs 224 00:11:50,933 --> 00:11:57,813 Speaker 2: Martin a little bit captured on iPhone camera footage. Has 225 00:11:57,813 --> 00:12:00,893 Speaker 2: this been blown up all out of proportion? Liam rob 226 00:12:00,893 --> 00:12:04,653 Speaker 2: Penny didn't seem to really give a shit, And I 227 00:12:04,693 --> 00:12:06,533 Speaker 2: know there's been a bit of consternation out of the 228 00:12:06,533 --> 00:12:10,133 Speaker 2: Crusaders around the way it's been reported, But ultimately this 229 00:12:10,213 --> 00:12:11,893 Speaker 2: seems to like a storm and a tea cup. They 230 00:12:11,893 --> 00:12:15,733 Speaker 2: show probably more aggression at training on Tuesday, though, than 231 00:12:15,813 --> 00:12:18,573 Speaker 2: they showed in the entire eighty minutes on Saturday night 232 00:12:18,613 --> 00:12:19,213 Speaker 2: at Eden Park. 233 00:12:20,453 --> 00:12:23,893 Speaker 3: That's nothing that Rugby Direct hasn't seen before. There's bricks 234 00:12:23,933 --> 00:12:25,813 Speaker 3: of broken limbs, of broken arms. 235 00:12:26,013 --> 00:12:28,813 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. This just comes when you're in a 236 00:12:28,813 --> 00:12:29,653 Speaker 2: closed space together. 237 00:12:31,293 --> 00:12:34,573 Speaker 4: Oh look, I think yes, you had it coming. 238 00:12:34,613 --> 00:12:37,173 Speaker 3: To be fair, it's been brewing for a while, all 239 00:12:37,213 --> 00:12:39,933 Speaker 3: that Crusader's rubbish you spout had to get something in. 240 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:43,653 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm still nursing back from that broken arm, thank 241 00:12:43,653 --> 00:12:44,293 Speaker 2: you very much. 242 00:12:44,653 --> 00:12:47,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, look, I'm all for it. 243 00:12:47,173 --> 00:12:49,093 Speaker 3: I think there's nothing wrong with a bit of heat 244 00:12:49,093 --> 00:12:51,013 Speaker 3: at training, particularly after a loss. There should be a 245 00:12:51,013 --> 00:12:53,413 Speaker 3: bit of tension, but a frustration. If that boils over, 246 00:12:54,773 --> 00:12:57,773 Speaker 3: then so be it. Rugby is a contact sport. You 247 00:12:57,813 --> 00:13:01,253 Speaker 3: live on the edge sometimes and I don't have a 248 00:13:01,293 --> 00:13:03,093 Speaker 3: problem with it at all. I thought Rob Penny actually 249 00:13:03,093 --> 00:13:06,453 Speaker 3: spoke to it quite well. We said nothing to see here, 250 00:13:06,853 --> 00:13:10,453 Speaker 3: just a couple of men fired up, and they should 251 00:13:10,493 --> 00:13:14,253 Speaker 3: be after what happened to Eden Park. So maybe you'll 252 00:13:14,253 --> 00:13:16,373 Speaker 3: get a reaction from the Crusaders. This week and maybe 253 00:13:16,453 --> 00:13:19,773 Speaker 3: that's a reflection of what's going on in their camp. 254 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:23,293 Speaker 3: And we saw this with the Wartars and pre season, 255 00:13:23,293 --> 00:13:27,333 Speaker 3: didn't we And that was a much more serious situation 256 00:13:27,493 --> 00:13:31,013 Speaker 3: because there was injuries and I think a fine or 257 00:13:31,053 --> 00:13:32,493 Speaker 3: a suspension handed out in the. 258 00:13:32,493 --> 00:13:34,813 Speaker 2: End, Yeah there was. Yeah, that was a pretty ugly 259 00:13:34,853 --> 00:13:37,053 Speaker 2: one and the end nothing like that down at Ruggy 260 00:13:37,053 --> 00:13:39,213 Speaker 2: Park in christ Church. I can assure you quick look 261 00:13:39,253 --> 00:13:41,493 Speaker 2: at the team news before we get into the mail bag. 262 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,853 Speaker 2: Not a lot to report this week, necessarily, but good 263 00:13:44,853 --> 00:13:47,213 Speaker 2: to see Ruben Love on the Hurricanes bench for the 264 00:13:47,293 --> 00:13:49,773 Speaker 2: game against the Force in Napier Friday night. 265 00:13:50,853 --> 00:13:51,533 Speaker 4: It is indeed. 266 00:13:51,813 --> 00:13:54,933 Speaker 3: And look, Callum Hawkins done a great job certainly against 267 00:13:54,973 --> 00:13:58,693 Speaker 3: the Waratars last week. He stepped up a nice crossfield 268 00:13:58,773 --> 00:14:04,053 Speaker 3: kick and various other moments. But Ruben Loved be good 269 00:14:04,053 --> 00:14:06,013 Speaker 3: to see him back at ten because he actually did 270 00:14:06,053 --> 00:14:08,973 Speaker 3: have quite a profound influence to the back end of 271 00:14:09,053 --> 00:14:10,933 Speaker 3: last year for the Hurricanes at ten. We haven't seen 272 00:14:11,013 --> 00:14:14,213 Speaker 3: enough of them at ten or in any capacity really. 273 00:14:14,213 --> 00:14:17,533 Speaker 3: He's been put on ice from a test rugby perspective, 274 00:14:17,573 --> 00:14:20,773 Speaker 3: so he's a young man who needs game time, needs consistency, 275 00:14:20,853 --> 00:14:22,733 Speaker 3: needs to be in the shop window for Dave Renni 276 00:14:23,293 --> 00:14:26,293 Speaker 3: and to build some momentum and confidence. So good to 277 00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:30,293 Speaker 3: see him back. And I think throughout that Hurricanes team 278 00:14:30,733 --> 00:14:34,133 Speaker 3: and some of the other sides that the Chiefs, there's 279 00:14:34,133 --> 00:14:36,373 Speaker 3: been a bit of rotation and that you can see 280 00:14:36,413 --> 00:14:40,173 Speaker 3: the depth coming through for some teams and not for others. 281 00:14:40,853 --> 00:14:43,373 Speaker 2: Indeed, you can, yep looking forward to that match and 282 00:14:43,413 --> 00:14:46,933 Speaker 2: seeing Reubin Love trot out over on Friday nights in 283 00:14:47,013 --> 00:14:51,213 Speaker 2: Napier Quick break come Back mail Bag after this, you're 284 00:14:51,253 --> 00:14:53,813 Speaker 2: back with Rugby Director, powered by a habit Heath Hysio. 285 00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:57,093 Speaker 2: Book today and stay in the game. Time now to 286 00:14:57,133 --> 00:14:59,213 Speaker 2: check the Rugby Director mail Bag. You can get in 287 00:14:59,253 --> 00:15:01,773 Speaker 2: touch with us at Rugby Director and us talk zb 288 00:15:01,933 --> 00:15:06,933 Speaker 2: dot co dot NZ. Producer Mark is the overseer of 289 00:15:06,973 --> 00:15:08,733 Speaker 2: the mail bag and he's got a come bule of 290 00:15:09,573 --> 00:15:12,933 Speaker 2: male messages that he wants to read today and we'll 291 00:15:13,013 --> 00:15:14,293 Speaker 2: react to them. 292 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:19,093 Speaker 5: Take it away, Killer, Yes, thank you earlier, hopefully see 293 00:15:19,093 --> 00:15:22,133 Speaker 5: you soon. Liam. Just don't at the same one zoom 294 00:15:22,813 --> 00:15:24,933 Speaker 5: we miss yet but this one comes all the way 295 00:15:24,933 --> 00:15:29,093 Speaker 5: from Australia. Floyd. He says he's enjoying the podcast, particularly 296 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:30,733 Speaker 5: now he gets two episodes a week, and what a 297 00:15:30,773 --> 00:15:33,533 Speaker 5: truth that is. He's very happy about the Reny decision, 298 00:15:34,053 --> 00:15:36,373 Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing the makeup of his assistants, and 299 00:15:36,453 --> 00:15:38,893 Speaker 5: he doesn't really he's got no problem with Mike Blair 300 00:15:39,013 --> 00:15:41,693 Speaker 5: being a part of the team. But this one his question, 301 00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:44,373 Speaker 5: he said, it may be stupid to ask in the 302 00:15:44,413 --> 00:15:47,693 Speaker 5: content on the context of context, but why do we 303 00:15:47,773 --> 00:15:53,013 Speaker 5: keep seeing so many injuries, particularly in pregame warmups this 304 00:15:53,053 --> 00:15:56,013 Speaker 5: week with a hamstring as a case in point. These 305 00:15:56,053 --> 00:15:58,893 Speaker 5: guys sees, These guys are professional athletes. I would have 306 00:15:58,933 --> 00:16:02,053 Speaker 5: thought their physical conditioning it would be so easily and 307 00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:04,853 Speaker 5: frequently compromised. What is he missing? 308 00:16:05,133 --> 00:16:07,893 Speaker 2: It's an interesting one, isn't it. Here? We see a 309 00:16:07,893 --> 00:16:10,933 Speaker 2: lot of and sometimes you see teams, certain teams have 310 00:16:10,973 --> 00:16:13,773 Speaker 2: a number of sort of tissue damage, soft tissue damage. 311 00:16:13,773 --> 00:16:16,293 Speaker 2: In a year, there'll be a number of those sort 312 00:16:16,293 --> 00:16:19,373 Speaker 2: of injuries, calf strains, et cetera. And that occasionally points 313 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:21,853 Speaker 2: to being overtrained during the week and you get to 314 00:16:21,933 --> 00:16:24,573 Speaker 2: game down you're not quite ready to go. We've seen 315 00:16:25,213 --> 00:16:28,093 Speaker 2: teams go through horror runs. Try thing off the top 316 00:16:28,093 --> 00:16:30,173 Speaker 2: of my head, but you know, acls and various other 317 00:16:30,213 --> 00:16:33,813 Speaker 2: things that are just almost pure dumb luck in a way. 318 00:16:33,893 --> 00:16:36,213 Speaker 2: So I don't know what's initially down to it. They'll 319 00:16:36,213 --> 00:16:38,653 Speaker 2: probably go back and go maybe because there's everything so 320 00:16:39,093 --> 00:16:41,093 Speaker 2: data driven these days, isn't it, Lee, And they could 321 00:16:41,093 --> 00:16:43,293 Speaker 2: probably go back and go. Jeez, on Thursday, we probably 322 00:16:43,613 --> 00:16:45,573 Speaker 2: maxed them out to one hundred and ten percent when 323 00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:47,293 Speaker 2: maybe we could have gone a little bit lighter and 324 00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:50,693 Speaker 2: maybe that injury doesn't happen. Sometimes it is down to, 325 00:16:51,133 --> 00:16:53,733 Speaker 2: you know, you slip over and you roll an ankle 326 00:16:53,813 --> 00:16:56,053 Speaker 2: or you do your hamstring in. But sometimes it is 327 00:16:56,493 --> 00:16:58,733 Speaker 2: down to a little bit of overtraining and naps. I'm 328 00:16:58,773 --> 00:17:02,453 Speaker 2: sure we know coaches that have overtrained their charges from 329 00:17:02,453 --> 00:17:03,013 Speaker 2: time to time. 330 00:17:04,173 --> 00:17:04,333 Speaker 4: Yeah. 331 00:17:04,373 --> 00:17:06,973 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more rugby these days increasingly, 332 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:10,213 Speaker 3: so that's part of it. But the more rugby you play, 333 00:17:10,293 --> 00:17:12,093 Speaker 3: the more training you have to go through, the more 334 00:17:12,133 --> 00:17:14,493 Speaker 3: strain you put on your body. They're probably a bit 335 00:17:14,493 --> 00:17:17,773 Speaker 3: more precautionary these days. And then you've got some athletes 336 00:17:17,813 --> 00:17:20,293 Speaker 3: that are more prone to injuries than others. Stephen Peterifetter 337 00:17:20,813 --> 00:17:24,133 Speaker 3: one example. He was pulled late from the Blues game 338 00:17:24,213 --> 00:17:27,773 Speaker 3: last week with that calf injury that kept them out 339 00:17:27,773 --> 00:17:30,373 Speaker 3: for most of last year coming back, and we've seen 340 00:17:30,453 --> 00:17:31,893 Speaker 3: Nathan Blackheader and the like. 341 00:17:32,693 --> 00:17:34,733 Speaker 4: There's some players that are just really prone to it. 342 00:17:34,773 --> 00:17:37,373 Speaker 3: But I think we are seeing movement in that area 343 00:17:37,413 --> 00:17:40,773 Speaker 3: as well, because I think it was the English Premiership 344 00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:46,613 Speaker 3: or somewhere up north are actually looking to put restrictions 345 00:17:46,693 --> 00:17:49,853 Speaker 3: on the amount of contact that teams can put players 346 00:17:49,893 --> 00:17:56,733 Speaker 3: through any given week, but also during the preseason, allowing 347 00:17:56,773 --> 00:18:01,053 Speaker 3: them to have proper breaks and certain conditioning before they 348 00:18:01,053 --> 00:18:04,573 Speaker 3: can actually return to contact. So I think that's something 349 00:18:04,653 --> 00:18:06,853 Speaker 3: that the NFL and the like you have brought in 350 00:18:06,853 --> 00:18:08,653 Speaker 3: in recent years, and I think it's something we're going 351 00:18:08,653 --> 00:18:10,213 Speaker 3: to see in rugby increasingly as well. 352 00:18:10,373 --> 00:18:12,413 Speaker 2: Indeed, Floyd, thank you very much for your message. Next 353 00:18:12,413 --> 00:18:12,853 Speaker 2: one Killer. 354 00:18:13,573 --> 00:18:16,533 Speaker 5: Yes, this is from Tim. I found the messaging out 355 00:18:16,573 --> 00:18:19,973 Speaker 5: from at Rennie's opening press conference really interesting and he 356 00:18:20,053 --> 00:18:22,213 Speaker 5: wanted to throw a question our way in that same 357 00:18:22,253 --> 00:18:23,973 Speaker 5: press so he mentioned that players will have to earn 358 00:18:24,013 --> 00:18:26,333 Speaker 5: the right to wear the jersey and he will have 359 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:30,013 Speaker 5: no loyalties. Yet he openly raised the idea of bringing 360 00:18:30,053 --> 00:18:34,373 Speaker 5: back Brody Rettallic from Japan. Brittallic. Obviously, he was coached 361 00:18:34,493 --> 00:18:37,613 Speaker 5: multiple stages of his career by Rennie, coming through before 362 00:18:37,613 --> 00:18:39,493 Speaker 5: the All Blacks at the Chiefs now A game in Japan. 363 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:43,093 Speaker 5: Also interesting when you look at the other overlaps. Rennie 364 00:18:43,133 --> 00:18:47,133 Speaker 5: currently coaches Artie Severe, who looks to be sort of 365 00:18:47,173 --> 00:18:49,813 Speaker 5: the favorite to be the next captain, and his comments 366 00:18:49,853 --> 00:18:53,933 Speaker 5: on Scott Barrett were notably lukewarm. Also, Anton Lena Brown 367 00:18:54,053 --> 00:18:56,493 Speaker 5: is in that Japanese team, a player who's form had 368 00:18:56,493 --> 00:18:59,333 Speaker 5: seen him drifting a bit out of All Blacks contention. 369 00:19:00,213 --> 00:19:03,533 Speaker 5: So with the no loyalties lines sounds strong. There are 370 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:06,413 Speaker 5: clearly players he already knows very well. His bigger question 371 00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,573 Speaker 5: this one, though, is about the criticism we heard from 372 00:19:08,653 --> 00:19:11,693 Speaker 5: last year around players not earning the jersey in the 373 00:19:11,813 --> 00:19:16,213 Speaker 5: idea of Crusader's bias in selection, we exactly were those 374 00:19:16,253 --> 00:19:19,773 Speaker 5: players that people felt hadn't earned their spots in that team. 375 00:19:19,893 --> 00:19:21,493 Speaker 2: Liam, you want to take this one first from Tim? 376 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:22,653 Speaker 4: Yeah? 377 00:19:22,693 --> 00:19:25,653 Speaker 3: Sure, I think the obvious one that springs to mind 378 00:19:25,733 --> 00:19:30,173 Speaker 3: is savy Reese. There's a real feeling that Bill Black 379 00:19:30,173 --> 00:19:32,253 Speaker 3: should have moved on from him a lot earlier and 380 00:19:32,293 --> 00:19:36,333 Speaker 3: invested in guys like Caleb Toungueytow and others should have 381 00:19:36,373 --> 00:19:40,533 Speaker 3: been given a crack sooner, I think. But look as 382 00:19:40,533 --> 00:19:42,613 Speaker 3: far as the Crusader's bias goes, I don't know if 383 00:19:42,613 --> 00:19:45,373 Speaker 3: I buy into that. You look at guys like David 384 00:19:45,373 --> 00:19:51,053 Speaker 3: Hevili and Ethan Blackheader, they were prominent figures and that 385 00:19:51,093 --> 00:19:53,293 Speaker 3: Crusaders set up when when Razor was there and he 386 00:19:53,773 --> 00:19:55,893 Speaker 3: went away from them, So I think you have to 387 00:19:55,893 --> 00:20:00,813 Speaker 3: give him credit for he was very clear in his 388 00:20:00,893 --> 00:20:06,493 Speaker 3: mind about distancing himself from those ties to the Crusaders. 389 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:09,133 Speaker 3: When it came to selection, I think you had a 390 00:20:09,213 --> 00:20:13,413 Speaker 3: number of Blues players that were had umbradge with their 391 00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:18,413 Speaker 3: non selections Dalton, Papa Lee, Riquwani slopping down the ranks 392 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:23,253 Speaker 3: and Hoskins, Attutu and others. So I think that's probably 393 00:20:23,293 --> 00:20:26,133 Speaker 3: where a lot a lot of that potential bias or 394 00:20:26,133 --> 00:20:27,653 Speaker 3: perception of bias stems from. 395 00:20:27,853 --> 00:20:29,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, by the end of it, there were probably more 396 00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:33,493 Speaker 2: Chiefs and the All Blacks set up than there were Crusaders. 397 00:20:33,813 --> 00:20:36,333 Speaker 2: Every member of the loose Ford tree, I think, apart 398 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:41,053 Speaker 2: from Kayleb Boshier got a goonsig at some point, you know, 399 00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:43,413 Speaker 2: Leroy Carter came in and we're not saying that they 400 00:20:43,493 --> 00:20:45,293 Speaker 2: went worthy, but there was certainly a lot more, probably 401 00:20:45,373 --> 00:20:47,973 Speaker 2: Chiefs in that second year and he went away from Paveli, 402 00:20:48,093 --> 00:20:50,853 Speaker 2: especially after he had a strong Super Rugby season the 403 00:20:50,933 --> 00:20:53,773 Speaker 2: year prior. I think ultimately for Dave Rennie coming in 404 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:56,013 Speaker 2: with you, you can say that you're not coming in 405 00:20:56,053 --> 00:20:59,933 Speaker 2: with any bias, but everyone's got inherent biases, just you know, 406 00:20:59,933 --> 00:21:01,773 Speaker 2: whether you're a fan of a certain team or whatever 407 00:21:01,773 --> 00:21:04,253 Speaker 2: it might be. He would have watched plenty of take 408 00:21:04,293 --> 00:21:07,973 Speaker 2: while he's in Japan, of Super rugby games back home, 409 00:21:08,053 --> 00:21:10,773 Speaker 2: and and whether he was consciously doing it or not, 410 00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:13,013 Speaker 2: he would have been analyzing it and going how does 411 00:21:13,053 --> 00:21:15,893 Speaker 2: this player maybe fit into an international setup or could 412 00:21:15,933 --> 00:21:18,213 Speaker 2: they go to higher honors. So I think there's going 413 00:21:18,253 --> 00:21:20,533 Speaker 2: to be, you know, some inherent bias there, which is 414 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,613 Speaker 2: natural as a human being and being a rugby person. 415 00:21:23,653 --> 00:21:25,413 Speaker 2: But you know, I do like the idea of a 416 00:21:25,453 --> 00:21:28,693 Speaker 2: clean slate to bring up Brodie Rettelic though, which to 417 00:21:28,773 --> 00:21:31,653 Speaker 2: suggest that he has been thinking about this for quite 418 00:21:31,653 --> 00:21:35,493 Speaker 2: some time. It was Yes, it was off the cuff remark, 419 00:21:35,573 --> 00:21:38,853 Speaker 2: but to me it sounded like he had been thinking 420 00:21:38,853 --> 00:21:42,333 Speaker 2: that maybe Brodie Rettelig is ready to return to international 421 00:21:42,453 --> 00:21:44,773 Speaker 2: rugby anymore. In the mailbag, mark. 422 00:21:44,653 --> 00:21:47,493 Speaker 5: Yeah two more, this one from camp from the Napier 423 00:21:47,493 --> 00:21:50,053 Speaker 5: Hastings area. This is more of a fun one. 424 00:21:50,093 --> 00:21:50,573 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 425 00:21:50,573 --> 00:21:54,213 Speaker 5: If you saw the Hurricanes Warrantars game on Friday, Clark 426 00:21:54,293 --> 00:21:57,053 Speaker 5: laidlaw in the coaching box, he is wearing one of 427 00:21:57,093 --> 00:22:00,533 Speaker 5: those new retro juzies that the classic sports where have 428 00:22:00,573 --> 00:22:03,733 Speaker 5: brought out cam asks? Is this going to be a 429 00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:05,813 Speaker 5: bit of a movement now for rugby coaches? And you 430 00:22:05,893 --> 00:22:08,093 Speaker 5: might see them sort of a dressed as baseball coaches. 431 00:22:08,653 --> 00:22:10,533 Speaker 5: They wear the full kick sort of thing. Could you 432 00:22:10,533 --> 00:22:12,413 Speaker 5: see that or would you rather than the polos or 433 00:22:12,413 --> 00:22:13,413 Speaker 5: the baser or whatever. 434 00:22:13,533 --> 00:22:14,933 Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I don't know how you feel, napes, 435 00:22:14,973 --> 00:22:17,133 Speaker 2: but I quite liked the idea of each coach just 436 00:22:17,173 --> 00:22:19,533 Speaker 2: having their own vibe. We see it in English football. 437 00:22:19,653 --> 00:22:21,893 Speaker 2: You know. Some some coaches wear the full suits it up. 438 00:22:21,893 --> 00:22:24,093 Speaker 2: Some are more comfortable in a sort of puffer jacket, 439 00:22:24,213 --> 00:22:27,933 Speaker 2: sideline or whatever it might be. Rop Any, I think, 440 00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:31,893 Speaker 2: often wears the dress shirt for his games. But you know, 441 00:22:31,973 --> 00:22:36,093 Speaker 2: Van Cott is more of a polo man. So's Jamie Joseph. 442 00:22:36,213 --> 00:22:38,893 Speaker 2: As long as it's got a bit of team team logo, 443 00:22:38,973 --> 00:22:41,413 Speaker 2: team merch on. I don't have a huge deal with it. 444 00:22:41,493 --> 00:22:43,693 Speaker 2: I was more against the idea of I'm wearing a 445 00:22:43,813 --> 00:22:46,453 Speaker 2: cap indoors. You know I'm old school in that regard. 446 00:22:46,453 --> 00:22:50,253 Speaker 2: Hats off inside please. I feel like that was very personal. 447 00:22:49,893 --> 00:22:50,133 Speaker 4: Like me. 448 00:22:51,773 --> 00:22:52,093 Speaker 2: Directly. 449 00:22:55,213 --> 00:22:58,533 Speaker 3: Look, I think the more Canes merch the better, isn't it? 450 00:22:58,573 --> 00:23:00,773 Speaker 3: Everyone should be donning it. I've ordered one of those 451 00:23:00,773 --> 00:23:05,533 Speaker 3: classic jerseys for Super Round, so wear loud and prouds 452 00:23:06,013 --> 00:23:09,413 Speaker 3: display its on the weekend in which the Canes continue 453 00:23:09,453 --> 00:23:12,933 Speaker 3: their their magic rides. I think that their message is 454 00:23:12,973 --> 00:23:15,733 Speaker 3: from good made of mine. Actually is going pretty well 455 00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:17,853 Speaker 3: on the tips this year, so been giving me a 456 00:23:17,893 --> 00:23:20,693 Speaker 3: bit of stick. So maybe if if he goes well 457 00:23:20,693 --> 00:23:23,573 Speaker 3: on fantasy or win himself some Canes merchant that'll keep 458 00:23:23,613 --> 00:23:25,093 Speaker 3: them happy. Is a high on his man at heart, 459 00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:26,533 Speaker 3: but we might be able to convert them. 460 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:29,453 Speaker 2: I'll make sure that that has stopped at the border 461 00:23:29,453 --> 00:23:31,293 Speaker 2: when you get to christ Church and that is confiscated 462 00:23:31,293 --> 00:23:35,213 Speaker 2: off you. Thank you, Liam. Final email from the Malo please, 463 00:23:35,293 --> 00:23:36,093 Speaker 2: and this one's on Matt. 464 00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:37,573 Speaker 5: We alluded to this a couple of weeks ago on 465 00:23:37,613 --> 00:23:40,613 Speaker 5: the podcast when it was a Nick Bewley Elliott Smith. 466 00:23:40,933 --> 00:23:44,373 Speaker 5: Is you like to call it crusaders direct, but just 467 00:23:44,573 --> 00:23:47,573 Speaker 5: he's happy. Matt is very happy that Liam Napier is back, 468 00:23:48,173 --> 00:23:51,213 Speaker 5: but more not just Hurricanes chat. I actually would like 469 00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:53,573 Speaker 5: to hear some more chief chat. We got to buy 470 00:23:53,653 --> 00:23:56,373 Speaker 5: this week, chiefs man. Yeah, but how are we looking? 471 00:23:56,613 --> 00:23:58,773 Speaker 5: We're looking like this is a question from me now, 472 00:23:59,013 --> 00:24:00,253 Speaker 5: like are we favorites? 473 00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:02,853 Speaker 2: Are you favorites? You lost to the Crusaders, you know, 474 00:24:02,893 --> 00:24:04,813 Speaker 2: ten days ago. Oh, but that was an all time game. 475 00:24:04,853 --> 00:24:07,133 Speaker 2: If it wasn't for the third quarter there, that game was. 476 00:24:07,293 --> 00:24:09,333 Speaker 2: It wasn't for the forty three points you conceded, you 477 00:24:09,373 --> 00:24:10,213 Speaker 2: would be right up there. 478 00:24:10,213 --> 00:24:14,133 Speaker 5: This season, miss tackles and the bad reefing calls it 479 00:24:14,213 --> 00:24:15,053 Speaker 5: throw them out there. 480 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:17,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoy getting Matt's email A couple 481 00:24:17,533 --> 00:24:20,293 Speaker 2: of weeks back. Crusaders Direct was a It was a 482 00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:23,893 Speaker 2: sticking blow, and by popular demand, we have managed to 483 00:24:23,893 --> 00:24:25,693 Speaker 2: bring Liam back to the podcast. So there you go, Lim, 484 00:24:25,813 --> 00:24:27,413 Speaker 2: we got your message. AKA Matt. 485 00:24:28,253 --> 00:24:31,093 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but my pseudo's been blown out of the water. 486 00:24:32,173 --> 00:24:35,653 Speaker 3: It's good to have some balance and look other than 487 00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:38,733 Speaker 3: the Canes mark. I think it is the Chief's title 488 00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:41,573 Speaker 3: to lose. So you know, don't don't mess it up. 489 00:24:42,173 --> 00:24:44,293 Speaker 2: You just od. They don't play in the rain, the 490 00:24:44,373 --> 00:24:49,733 Speaker 2: Hurricanes the night playoff game and Canberra or suber coming. 491 00:24:49,733 --> 00:24:52,973 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, Lartoka coming right up for the Hurricanes. That'll 492 00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:55,013 Speaker 2: just the mail bag this week, but keep them coming 493 00:24:55,053 --> 00:24:58,253 Speaker 2: in Rugby direct at Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz 494 00:24:58,373 --> 00:25:00,293 Speaker 2: to get in touch with the podcast. We'll read a 495 00:25:00,293 --> 00:25:03,293 Speaker 2: few every Thursday on the podcast. Let's get into some 496 00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:06,173 Speaker 2: tipping for this week. Lim You're ahead of me by 497 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:08,813 Speaker 2: one point twelve out of twenty, which is di bollicle. 498 00:25:09,013 --> 00:25:11,373 Speaker 2: You know, out of twenty games, only twelve correc or 499 00:25:11,373 --> 00:25:13,013 Speaker 2: maybe it speaks to the quality of the competition, the 500 00:25:13,253 --> 00:25:15,813 Speaker 2: unpredictable nature. I have a leven out of twenty, which 501 00:25:15,853 --> 00:25:18,653 Speaker 2: is even worse. You alls did some good tipping for 502 00:25:18,693 --> 00:25:21,973 Speaker 2: you while you're away and we exchanged some tips last week. 503 00:25:22,013 --> 00:25:23,733 Speaker 2: You did pretty well. You picked up the Blues, were 504 00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:28,413 Speaker 2: going to beat the Crusaders, among others Hurricanes Force on 505 00:25:28,533 --> 00:25:32,173 Speaker 2: Friday night in Napier. Surely the Force, buoyed by the 506 00:25:32,173 --> 00:25:34,933 Speaker 2: news that Zach Lomax is about to join them when 507 00:25:34,933 --> 00:25:37,413 Speaker 2: they get back to Australia, they'll be good to tip 508 00:25:37,493 --> 00:25:38,493 Speaker 2: up the Hurricanes, weren't they. 509 00:25:39,693 --> 00:25:43,613 Speaker 3: Hopefully the Hurricanes do what they did to the Dura 510 00:25:44,293 --> 00:25:48,573 Speaker 3: last year and make them have a basically make them 511 00:25:48,613 --> 00:25:52,173 Speaker 3: sit outside their hotel and they'll all make them take 512 00:25:52,173 --> 00:25:54,133 Speaker 3: the long way from Auckland and all those sorts of 513 00:25:55,413 --> 00:25:56,173 Speaker 3: dirty tricks. 514 00:25:56,573 --> 00:25:57,813 Speaker 4: But no, I don't think they'll need so. 515 00:25:57,853 --> 00:25:59,613 Speaker 3: I think they should roll over the top of the 516 00:25:59,613 --> 00:26:03,253 Speaker 3: force and continue that cane train right towards the station. 517 00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:07,653 Speaker 2: Elliott, Okay, that's enough. I'll got the Hurricanes as well, 518 00:26:07,773 --> 00:26:11,333 Speaker 2: drew a brou on Saturday afternoon in Figi and Bar. 519 00:26:11,453 --> 00:26:14,253 Speaker 2: I think, for the first time new ground being used 520 00:26:14,293 --> 00:26:18,653 Speaker 2: in Fiji. Interesting one here. I think the Brumbies will 521 00:26:18,653 --> 00:26:20,133 Speaker 2: go over and win, but I suspect it might be 522 00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:20,693 Speaker 2: quite close. 523 00:26:22,053 --> 00:26:24,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, Figi that you're always more competitive at home, but 524 00:26:24,893 --> 00:26:26,333 Speaker 3: you beg them Bumbies to get that done. 525 00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:29,733 Speaker 2: Yeah. Crusaders Islanders the Southern Classic cut the Cord Classic 526 00:26:30,013 --> 00:26:34,453 Speaker 2: on Saturday night, seven o'clock in christ Church. Did the 527 00:26:34,453 --> 00:26:37,093 Speaker 2: Crusaders bounce back? Liam? I think they do, but I 528 00:26:37,133 --> 00:26:38,693 Speaker 2: think the Honders will give them a real run for 529 00:26:38,733 --> 00:26:40,973 Speaker 2: their money after beating them in round one, but I 530 00:26:41,013 --> 00:26:42,053 Speaker 2: don't think they'll do it again. 531 00:26:43,613 --> 00:26:47,293 Speaker 3: Well, New Zealand's behind the Landers Elliotts, but unfortunately for 532 00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:48,853 Speaker 3: the sake of my tipping, I am going to go 533 00:26:49,933 --> 00:26:51,853 Speaker 3: your boys to sneak home. 534 00:26:51,973 --> 00:26:55,013 Speaker 2: Crusader on Baby Red's wartar is really interesting one. We've 535 00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:57,693 Speaker 2: already seen this game already in round one, just the 536 00:26:57,693 --> 00:27:00,293 Speaker 2: Crusaders and Holand is in round one this time though 537 00:27:00,373 --> 00:27:03,973 Speaker 2: it is in Brisbane nine point thirty five on Saturday night. 538 00:27:04,573 --> 00:27:06,973 Speaker 2: Red's with that big one over the Brumbies last week. 539 00:27:07,013 --> 00:27:10,973 Speaker 2: The war retars being humiligated by your Hurricanes. I find 540 00:27:10,973 --> 00:27:12,533 Speaker 2: this really hard to tip, but I'm going to go 541 00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:13,133 Speaker 2: the home team. 542 00:27:14,493 --> 00:27:16,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Wartas bubble might have burst of 543 00:27:16,773 --> 00:27:20,293 Speaker 3: it and confidence rocked. Dan mckeller a no doubt fire 544 00:27:20,293 --> 00:27:22,813 Speaker 3: a few shots, but Read's back at home to get 545 00:27:22,853 --> 00:27:23,653 Speaker 3: the business done. 546 00:27:23,533 --> 00:27:27,093 Speaker 2: There and Blues mawana a rear. Sunday afternoon game at 547 00:27:27,213 --> 00:27:30,293 Speaker 2: Eden Park three thirty five. The Blues with a couple 548 00:27:30,373 --> 00:27:32,053 Speaker 2: of changes here and there, but they are rolling out 549 00:27:32,093 --> 00:27:35,373 Speaker 2: Boat and Barrett to start again. More one. I think 550 00:27:35,413 --> 00:27:38,213 Speaker 2: have dropped Nanni La Marpe to the bench for this one. 551 00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:40,613 Speaker 2: I think the Blues at home should be too good. 552 00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:41,853 Speaker 4: They should. 553 00:27:41,973 --> 00:27:45,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see the Blues Sunday afternoon, as you mentioned, 554 00:27:45,613 --> 00:27:48,773 Speaker 3: but also kids go free, so if you've got some 555 00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:52,093 Speaker 3: wheet terras running around and looking for something to do 556 00:27:52,173 --> 00:27:53,653 Speaker 3: on Sunday afternoon, I think the weather is meant to 557 00:27:53,693 --> 00:27:57,533 Speaker 3: be good. Go along to the Pacifica Festival it's Western 558 00:27:57,533 --> 00:27:59,653 Speaker 3: Springs and then duck into Eden Park. 559 00:27:59,893 --> 00:28:01,533 Speaker 4: Indeed two three events. 560 00:28:01,613 --> 00:28:03,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad at all, not bad at all. You 561 00:28:03,013 --> 00:28:05,853 Speaker 2: can catch that game on Goldsport and Nightheart Radio. Incidentally, 562 00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:08,093 Speaker 2: if you don't make it, along to the Ground with 563 00:28:08,133 --> 00:28:11,373 Speaker 2: Mel Jordan. Also Crusaders, Highlanders and Cane's Force throughout the 564 00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:14,453 Speaker 2: weekend on gold Sport and iHeartRadio as well. We can 565 00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:16,253 Speaker 2: get in touch with us on the Tip and comp 566 00:28:16,373 --> 00:28:19,933 Speaker 2: sorry in the Fantasy as well Rugby Direct podcast as 567 00:28:19,933 --> 00:28:21,813 Speaker 2: we can find us, which reminds me I need to 568 00:28:21,813 --> 00:28:25,173 Speaker 2: make some changes this week. But that'll do us for 569 00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:28,613 Speaker 2: Rugby Direct for this week. We'll be back sometime next week, 570 00:28:28,893 --> 00:28:32,053 Speaker 2: probably only for one episode. Next week. I have other 571 00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:33,813 Speaker 2: business to attend to this weekend and I'm probably not 572 00:28:33,853 --> 00:28:35,253 Speaker 2: going to see too much rugby so I need to 573 00:28:35,293 --> 00:28:38,733 Speaker 2: catch up, So probably back with one at some point 574 00:28:39,053 --> 00:28:40,653 Speaker 2: next week Liam and look forward to that. And I 575 00:28:40,693 --> 00:28:42,933 Speaker 2: have some news on some All Blacks assistants by then too. 576 00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:43,253 Speaker 4: Yep. 577 00:28:43,373 --> 00:28:45,013 Speaker 3: That should all go down next week, so I have 578 00:28:45,093 --> 00:28:46,613 Speaker 3: plenty of the two over at some point. 579 00:28:46,853 --> 00:28:48,973 Speaker 2: Look forward to it now thanks to Mark Kelly producing 580 00:28:49,013 --> 00:28:51,693 Speaker 2: and monitoring the Mailbag and to have it held Physio. 581 00:28:51,693 --> 00:28:53,853 Speaker 2: Book today and stay in the game. 582 00:28:58,613 --> 00:29:01,573 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B Listen live on air 583 00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:04,453 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 584 00:29:04,533 --> 00:29:06,933 Speaker 1: go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.