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Speaker 1: Ten. Right now, the government's panning itself on the back

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Speaker 1: for the new youth crime data. Serious offending down fourteen

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Speaker 1: percent in two years, Northland down forty percent, Tasman thirty

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Speaker 1: six percent, Wellington twenty eight percent, in Auckland down fourteen percent.

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Speaker 1: Ram raids almost nonexistent. Karen Shaw says kids no longer reckon,

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Speaker 1: they're above the law. Willow Jene Primers, Labour's Children spokesperson,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning, Mornina. Good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show. Is this something to celebrate?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it is definitely something to celebrate when we are

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Speaker 2: seeing less young people offending. But what I thought was

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Speaker 2: remarkable was that the government is claiming that this is

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Speaker 2: all down to things that they have done.

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Speaker 1: Is it not?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not, because if you look at what they

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Speaker 2: are celebrating, they are basically saying that it is because

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Speaker 2: of programs like their boot camps, which we know have

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Speaker 2: been in abject failure with seven out of the nine

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Speaker 2: young people re What they really need to let New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders know is they have carried on programs that were

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Speaker 2: started under Labor, which was the circuit Breaker program. It

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Speaker 2: had an over seventy five percent success rate. They have

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Speaker 2: continued to fund that and they have expanded it. So

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Speaker 2: what their pr doesn't say is actually it was things

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Speaker 2: that Labor had introduced that is contributing to this reduction

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Speaker 2: in youth offending.

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Speaker 1: Does it matter where an idea came from. If I've

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Speaker 1: continued funding it, that's not a success.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just think it would help if they were

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Speaker 2: more honest with New Zealanders and actually told them that

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Speaker 2: this is something that Labor had started, that they could

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Speaker 2: see the benefit, and that they had decided to continue

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Speaker 2: and to expand. But instead they are claiming that this

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Speaker 2: is a success because of things like their failed boot

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Speaker 2: camp experiment, which like I said, had seven out of

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Speaker 2: nine of the young people reoffend, and they are continuing

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Speaker 2: to fund significantly millions of dollars and entrenching it into

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Speaker 2: legislation when they know it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: What does Labor believe that in the idea of deterrent

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Speaker 1: that you know, the tough talk on crime, the penalties

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Speaker 1: for serious recidivist offending and the threat of a boot camp,

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Speaker 1: that that actually can act as a deterrent to young people,

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Speaker 1: That young people are smart enough to work out that

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Speaker 1: this government won't let them take the mickey.

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Speaker 2: I think we haven't seen any evidence that suggests that

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Speaker 2: that actually is a significant contributor to it. What we

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Speaker 2: know and what they are funding are programs like Circuit Breaker,

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Speaker 2: which they have extended, which is an intensive wrap around

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Speaker 2: interventions with young people as early as possible, and that

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Speaker 2: is what is having the most success in over seventy

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Speaker 2: five percent success rate. So I think that is what

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Speaker 2: we need to understand is contributing to this reduction in crime.

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Speaker 1: If you want them to take response to give you

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Speaker 1: credit for the drop, will you take responsibility for the

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Speaker 1: fact it went up so dramatically under your watch In

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Speaker 1: the first place, it.

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Speaker 2: Is clear from the data and the statistics that there

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Speaker 2: was a spike of youth crime under labor And I

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Speaker 2: think what we want credit for is that we were,

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Speaker 2: in fact trying to address that and doing something about it,

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Speaker 2: and that the programs.

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Speaker 1: You take it in place. Do you take accountability didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Do you take accountability time, Oh, I haven't heard it yet.

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Speaker 1: Do you take accountability for the fact that it went

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Speaker 1: up so dramatically under your watch?

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Speaker 2: What we take accountability for is that we did something

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Speaker 2: about it, and that that that what we introduced has

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Speaker 2: been successful in this government has carried it on. I

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Speaker 2: think they should give us more credits. But we didn't

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Speaker 2: hear it yesterday in the House and we didn't see

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Speaker 2: the pr.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how'd your meeting go with Ereka Stamford? Are you

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Speaker 1: going to work together?

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Speaker 2: So we had quite a long conversation about NCAA and

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Speaker 2: the concerns that I'm hearing from the sector. It's really

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Speaker 2: over to the minute for now to respond to those

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Speaker 2: significant concerns that are there with her proposal.

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Speaker 1: Willow Jean Prime appreciate your time this morning. That's Labour's

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Speaker 1: children's spokesperson. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge.

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