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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

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Speaker 2: The mic Hosking breakfast with the range Rover villa designed

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Speaker 2: to intrigue and use talks there'd.

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Speaker 3: Be wanting to welcome today the economy might have some

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Speaker 3: good news around construction costs and might have some good

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Speaker 3: news around inflation. Also the courts, the battle to stop

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Speaker 3: teacung are being enforced on law students. That goes to

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Speaker 3: Parliament today and we're going to look into a new

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Speaker 3: report that rings alarm bells around the activism of the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Mark and Jinny politics Wednesday after right Richard

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Speaker 3: Arnold in America's Dee Price in the Mighty ass asking

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Speaker 3: welcome to the day seven past six. Has the government

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Speaker 3: dug a hole for itself or solved the problem?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: The trouble and any parent will confirm this is you

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Speaker 3: only use a threat if one there's an expectation that

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Speaker 3: behavior will improve, or two if it doesn't you are

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Speaker 3: prepared to act. In the Wellington case, the threat which

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Speaker 3: has now very clearly been laid down will not lead

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Speaker 3: to behavioral improvement. They are not capable. I mean, Wellington

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Speaker 3: is such a dysfunctional mess. If they were wanting to

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Speaker 3: stop embarrassing themselves. They would have done so a long

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Speaker 3: time ago. Now, I would argue, got dangerous reputationally. The

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Speaker 3: capital is shot. The rest of the country reads a

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Speaker 3: ghasted about the closure of businesses, the destruction of the

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Speaker 3: city center, the general view that the place is run

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Speaker 3: by idiots. Yes, it's been exacerbated by the public sector layoffs,

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Speaker 3: but the pipes have nothing to do with central government,

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Speaker 3: nor does the debt or the downgrading of the credit

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Speaker 3: ratings and the inability to sell some shares to offset

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Speaker 3: the increasing fiscal quagma. The place is now in so

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Speaker 3: what to do? This is where reputations come in. Having

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Speaker 3: made the threat from the Prime Minister down, they now

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Speaker 3: have to act. I suppose they can buy a bit

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Speaker 3: improvement isn't on the way for their own reputational integrity,

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Speaker 3: they will now have to make good and pull the trigger, which,

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Speaker 3: of course, if Tawonga or Canterbury is an example no

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Speaker 3: bad thing. Democracy is only ever any good if it

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Speaker 3: serves the vote as well, and I don't think even

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Speaker 3: those who voted for this eclectic lineup of near de

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Speaker 3: Wells could argue this is what they envisaged when they

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Speaker 3: gave them their tick. Where over counciled generally and more specifically,

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Speaker 3: increasing numbers of councils are having trouble making quality decisions,

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Speaker 3: understanding their brief and delivering services in a way that

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Speaker 3: of a country is on its knees through bungling and infighting,

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Speaker 3: it's time to act.

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Speaker 1: Why News of the World in ninety seconds a.

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Speaker 3: Bit of action in Britain urbanite as regards to the

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Speaker 3: Middle East. Firstly, they'd like just about everyone else, are

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Speaker 3: not happy Israela going after the peacekeepers.

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Speaker 5: We're gravely concerned to hear that five UN peacekeepers have

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Speaker 5: been insured by the Israeli defense forces. We reiterate that

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Speaker 5: attacks on UN peacekeepers and UN members of staff are unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: They've also sanctioned seven groups who support legal settlers in

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Speaker 3: the West Bank. Lib dims not happy. They want more.

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Speaker 6: We're calling on the UK government to put their entire

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Speaker 6: diplomatic weight behind efforts to get the hostages out, to

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Speaker 6: for de escalation. In the rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: Meantime, here's Vela still working out the latter's response with

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Speaker 7: We can hit any point in the Israeli entity, whether

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Speaker 7: it's in the middle or in the north South ornamental.

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Speaker 7: We will choose which points that is appropriate.

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Speaker 3: But back in Britain on non war matters, this bloke

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Speaker 3: who runs a big phone company, he was at yesterday's

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Speaker 8: He is, truly, I've never seen this before in all

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Speaker 8: my history, is such a dedicated, absolutely dedicated passion for

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Speaker 3: How However, true to form and yet another inquiry, they

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Speaker 3: find the funeral director sector in Britain pretty much a

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Speaker 3: free for.

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Speaker 9: All the realities in the present situation, anybody could become

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Speaker 9: a funeral director. And the reality is anybody could become

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Speaker 3: And then done. And because the Middle Eastern Ukraine are

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Speaker 3: Sudan's largely forgotten these days, which is why it's a

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Speaker 3: bust and cholera is everywhere.

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Speaker 10: More than three million people, I'll direct this off colera

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Speaker 10: and since the word dropped it, that is over seventy

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Speaker 10: five percent of the hospitals and facilities Aristo because of

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Speaker 3: Finally, scandal in the World of Concuers. This is the

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Speaker 3: World Champs, no less. We got eighty two year old

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Speaker 3: David Yaikins. He's known as King Conquer. Of course, he's

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Speaker 3: been investigated after he got his first win since nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy seven by destroying multiple conquers of his opponents in

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Speaker 3: just one hit. Now that's unheard of if you know

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Speaker 3: about your conquers, So you know where this is going.

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Speaker 3: He was asked to empty his pockets and a fake

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Speaker 3: steel conquer painted brown was discovered. He said that he

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Speaker 3: just for quote unquote a laugh. The investigation continues to

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Speaker 3: use the World of ninety you can lax. By the way,

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Speaker 3: it has been confirmed by three senior Biden administration officials,

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Speaker 3: quietly no names, that Israel has decided that when they

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Speaker 3: go after a run as they seemingly will, they're not

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Speaker 3: going to hit the oil tankers, oil's fallen overnight. So

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Speaker 3: fill up twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: The mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio Power

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Speaker 3: Evy can't help you on China. I'm afraid either. Export

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Speaker 3: numbers yesterday grew two point four in September. They thought

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Speaker 3: we come and of course, because we wouldn't mind selling

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Speaker 11: good morning, Mike Dear. He's okay, down, I mean down

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Speaker 11: the most minor amount and what else can I see?

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Speaker 11: Chads up and skims down. But it looks all right,

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Speaker 12: As steady as we go.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, another global dairy trade auction and another steady resultant

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Speaker 13: from the point of view of you know, the big

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Speaker 3: So yeah, steady issue goes right, o'housing talk to me.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yesterday we saw the release of the hari iron

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Speaker 13: aren't we on the on the housing market, which tends

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Speaker 13: more entrench should of course que all the news and

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Speaker 13: media coverage of the potential impact of lower interest rates

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Speaker 13: at least as many people with term deposits as there

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Speaker 12: Side of the coin.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 13: Anecdotal evidence and social media would have us believe that

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Speaker 13: poised to break out, which you know could very well

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Speaker 13: be the case, but Mike, it's not evident yet in the.

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Speaker 3: Reported house sales.

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Speaker 13: So the ariians data share house sales fell for a

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Speaker 13: second consecutive month. Prices did lift very slightly, but they

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Speaker 13: are taking longer to sell.

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Speaker 12: Look at the numbers.

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Speaker 13: House sales decreased one point one percent compared to last September.

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Speaker 13: That's not seasonally adjusted, but you know you're talking eight

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Speaker 13: so I'd say that's stable. Compared to August, the sales

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Speaker 13: lift in place like walk space, So Auckland's dragging the

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Speaker 13: so there's a heat more properties to sell.

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Speaker 12: Days to sell has gone up to fifty days.

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Speaker 13: I like to look at the house price index as

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Speaker 13: opposed to the medium prices up zero point two percent.

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Speaker 13: That comes after four months of falls. In all fairness,

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Speaker 13: there does appear to be a lift in attendance at

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Speaker 13: they don't have an existing mortgage, They've got plenty of

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Speaker 12: So look, sentiments improved, Mike.

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Speaker 13: But as I sort of was talking about yesterday, what

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Speaker 13: now is a very different proposition from where people expect.

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Speaker 12: Things to be.

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Speaker 13: And I suppose I look at the opposing forces here.

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Speaker 13: You have got the tailwind of lower interest rate the

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Speaker 13: other interesting factor, and I think Nticola Willis even referred

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Speaker 12: The length at.

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Speaker 13: The moment of the average fixed straight mortgage maturity across

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Speaker 13: all borrowsing zone has come down, and it's quite people

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Speaker 13: fixing quite short periods. What that means is transmission of.

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Speaker 12: Low mortgage rates could be quicker.

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Speaker 13: So but leaning against that, you've got lots of stock

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Speaker 13: weaker labor markets. It's probably only tougher before it gets better.

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Speaker 13: And migrations are factor here tooch because it's turning around,

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Speaker 13: you know, the people coming into the country is falling,

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Speaker 13: could potentially go negative flex here Michael on the housing

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Speaker 13: market for what it's worth. Not an expert, I think

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Speaker 13: the market will stabilized, but given the volumes of inventory,

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Speaker 13: large price rises in the short term seem unlikely.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about construction in a couple of moments.

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Speaker 3: Give us a super quick one on the trichrometer. I

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Speaker 3: don't like the look of the light one.

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Speaker 12: No, we haven't rolled this out for a while. How

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Speaker 12: is the trucumna rolling? According to A and Z not

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Speaker 12: a very bouncy spring.

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Speaker 13: Both the light traffic Index Heavy traffic Index foul month

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Speaker 13: on month. So light traffic index good indicator of demand.

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Speaker 13: It's not going anywhere. Supports the fact that there's probably

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Speaker 13: more spare capacity.

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Speaker 3: In the market, right O. Give us the numbers, sure gang.

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Speaker 13: The dal Jones has formed one hundred and sixty six points,

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Speaker 13: which is forty two thousand, eight hundred ninety eight.

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Speaker 12: That's about point four percent.

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Speaker 13: The S and P five hundred also down point four

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Speaker 13: percent five eight three seven, and the Nasdaq is down

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Speaker 13: almost one percent with an earning season. We'll cover that

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Speaker 13: off later in the week. The Nasdaq eighteen thousand, three

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Speaker 3: It'd be if you can't get your hit around AI chips,

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Speaker 12: What is the Wall Street Journal?

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Speaker 1: They've been wrong about everything, so have you. By the way,

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Speaker 3: There are a business of it.

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Speaker 15: You've been wrong all your life on this stuff.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats are now deeply, deeply worried that she's going

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Speaker 3: Well, we have a quote unquote new era for the

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Speaker 17: Wait for forty eight hours more.

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Speaker 3: Mutley? Here was too? It was Mutley? Wasn't it? Test

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Speaker 3: a few numbers for you, and more scandalous thing's really

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Speaker 3: Mike, could you please make it clear that it was

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Marke and Jinny about that after

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Mike, how are you well? Thank you mate?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, we're just starting to see a bit of an

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Speaker 18: We've got one price increase this week five percent over

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Speaker 18: Labor price. We guys could certainly play with that that's

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Speaker 3: Well done, appreciate you time very much. Carl Taylor, who

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Speaker 3: It all started going wrong apparently last year. Unexpectedly bad

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Speaker 3: review into that cock up found the inadvertent emission of

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Speaker 3: the smoke free plan from the forecast was not the

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Speaker 3: result of a single point of failure, but it arose

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Speaker 3: from multiple mister opportunities across the government. So that's code

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Speaker 3: for everyone was asleep. Read it and weep if you want.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio car

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Speaker 2: it by News talksp Mike.

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Speaker 3: I have to disagree with your assessment of whether the

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Speaker 3: lux is out of touches for the pole. If you

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Speaker 3: ask a bunch of left wing voters with low IQ

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Speaker 3: who are not successful and not wealthy. A leading question

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Speaker 3: about whether a wealthy person's out of touch and the

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Speaker 3: cost of living crisis. Of course you're going to get

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Speaker 3: half of them saying yes, if you crunch down in

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Speaker 3: the poll, that's exactly right. What you're seeing as people

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Speaker 3: who support labor, people who support the Greens. Young people

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Speaker 3: in general think Luxe's out of touch. The older you get,

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Speaker 3: the less out of touch he is, and the more

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Speaker 3: right wing you get. And that is true. But the

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Speaker 3: critical point about a poll is, no matter who the

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Speaker 3: person is, it's all very well to demmigrate a left

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Speaker 3: leaning poor person, but they've got as many votes as

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Speaker 3: the most successful person in the country. That's democracy.

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Speaker 19: Fourteen two International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace

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Speaker 19: of Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Richard Ald morning to you, what do you make money?

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Speaker 3: Was they're all in the same state yesterday? Jees? These

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Speaker 3: poles are tied, aren't they.

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Speaker 20: Poles haven't really changed much for months, so it's going

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Speaker 20: to be like you see the end I reckon. But

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Speaker 20: when are the US elections? Most would say, you know,

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Speaker 20: three weeks off. However, someone might want to pass a

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Speaker 20: reminder on that too. One Donald J. Trump, who told

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Speaker 20: his latest rally in Pennsylvania that Trump voters need to

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Speaker 20: turn out.

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Speaker 15: He says, tell you if everything works out, if everybody

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Speaker 15: gets out and votes on January fifth or before, Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Don't forget to vote on January the fifth. So he says,

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Speaker 20: he seventy eight year old former president, oldest man ever

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Speaker 20: to run for the White House. Kamala Harris's campaigning amid

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Speaker 20: an economic bounce with the down Jones closing about forty

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Speaker 20: three thousand yesterday, first time in history, and she is

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Speaker 20: tutening her rally style. At her latest event, she played

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Speaker 20: part of Trump's increasingly strong armed style.

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Speaker 12: This we have some very bad people.

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Speaker 21: We have some sick people, radical left lunatics, and I

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Speaker 21: think they're the and it should be very easily handled

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Speaker 21: by if necessary, National Guard or if really necessary, by

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Speaker 21: the military.

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Speaker 20: Harris is saying directly that Trump is quote unstable, unhinged,

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Speaker 20: and out for unchecked power in quote. She's also reaching

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Speaker 20: out with a planned interview on Fox News on Thursday,

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Speaker 20: Your Time, Trump slamming that, saying Fox News has quote

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Speaker 20: unquote totally lost its way. Harris, as well as reaching

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Speaker 20: out to controversial podcast to Joe Rogan and offering to

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Speaker 20: do a chat with him. Meantime, Republican Governor of Virginia,

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Speaker 20: Glenn Youngkin, took part in what instantly has become a

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Speaker 20: viral interview with CNNs Jake Tapper, who quizzed him about

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Speaker 20: the Trump idea of using the National Guard or the

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Speaker 20: military to go after liberals, including said Trump Democratic Congressman

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Speaker 20: Adam Schiff. Here is part of it. The governor speaking.

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Speaker 22: First, I don't think that he's referring to elect the

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Speaker 22: people in America.

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Speaker 23: But I am.

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Speaker 3: Literally reading his quotes.

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Speaker 24: I'm literally reading his quotes to you, and I played

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Speaker 24: them earlier so you could hear that they were not

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Speaker 24: made up by me. He's literally talking about quote, radical

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Speaker 24: left lunatics. And then one of those lunatics he addressed

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Speaker 24: he mentioned was Congressman Anna.

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Speaker 3: So you're talking about what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 24: Donald Trump saying that he wants to use a National

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Speaker 24: Guard in the military to go after the left.

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Speaker 3: That's what he's saying.

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Speaker 22: I don't believe that's what he's saying. But listen, you

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Speaker 22: and I are going to argue about that, but I

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Speaker 22: would I would suggest if you would al send the

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Speaker 22: quote and I read it to you.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it goes on that the governor there twisting in

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Speaker 20: the wind, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, and then we've got Bob Woodood's boockets out.

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Speaker 20: Now it is out today. We've already heard in this

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Speaker 20: book called War Disclosure that once out of offers, Trump

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Speaker 20: had phone chats with Russia's pertinently seven such conversations. Now

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Speaker 20: it some blistering new information about the war.

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Speaker 3: In Ukraine.

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Speaker 20: Before the Russian invasion, Kamala Harris went one on one

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Speaker 20: with Ukraine's Zelenski, who at first would not believe the

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Speaker 20: US intel that the invasion was imminent. Harris was insistent,

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Speaker 20: telling him the US had this information, would not impost

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Speaker 20: sanctions on Russia. Yet the punishment could only come after

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Speaker 20: the crime. She told Zelenski, start thinking about having a

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Speaker 20: succession plan in place to run the country. If you

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Speaker 20: are captured or killed, have an escape plan, she said.

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Speaker 20: You can't decide on the right things to do if

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Speaker 20: you put ten. This isn't happening. After the invasion. It

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Speaker 20: seemed that Putin might use tactical nuclear weapons. He hasn't yet.

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Speaker 20: Biden called him and then had his defense chief deal

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Speaker 20: with the Russian counterpart.

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Speaker 2: Says Woodward, what Austin says, I know, we know you're

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Speaker 2: planning to.

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Speaker 9: Use a tactical nucular weapon.

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Speaker 22: Don't This will be the consequences, This will change the world.

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Speaker 20: This was twenty twenty two. Biden told Russia there is

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Speaker 20: no scale of nuclear weapons use we could overlook. Defense

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Speaker 20: Secretary Lloyd Austin told his counterpart, Defense Minister Shoygu they

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Speaker 20: would isolate Russia on the world stage to a degree

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Speaker 20: Russia could not even appreciate. Sugar replied that he didn't

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Speaker 20: like being threatened, said Biden's defense chief, I am the

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Speaker 20: leader of the most powerful military in the history of

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Speaker 20: the world. I don't make threats.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, all right, Richard, So if I appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Richard Land stateside Bob Woodward. One of the great names

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Speaker 3: of journalism. One another great name, George Nigus oberded overnight,

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Speaker 3: well late yesterday in Australia, died a year. Watched the

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Speaker 3: sixty minutes. I think we've all watched Georgia Nigas over

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Speaker 3: the years, and he lost his battle with a long

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Speaker 3: running disease at the agat two. Anyway, Steve Price on

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Speaker 3: that later on this morning, tear Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The mic hosty breakfast with the range robe of the

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Speaker 1: Law News talk their I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just wrapping up in Chicago. Talks a lot these days

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Speaker 3: about tariffs, China TIFFs and China anyway, talked about cars

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 15: I put tariffs on China. Told you, I put twenty

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Speaker 15: seven point five percent. Otherwise we'd be flooded with Chinese

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Speaker 15: cars and all of our factories with clothes would have

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Speaker 15: no jobs at all in the auto industry that goes

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Speaker 15: for electric by the way, which is a killer, which

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Speaker 15: I've explained, and I don't think I have to bore

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Speaker 15: anybody by talking about it. But I put tariffs on

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Speaker 15: South Korea because they were sending in trucks, and I

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Speaker 15: put tariffs on fairly substantial tariffs. Do you know that

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Speaker 15: our car companies make almost all of their money with

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Speaker 15: the small trucks, SUVs and small trucks. If I, if

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Speaker 15: I took those tariffs on, you would be inundated. Every

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Speaker 15: car company would be out of business. And I got

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Speaker 15: calls from Ford, I got calls from everybody saying, sir,

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Speaker 15: I can't believe you're doing this for us. You saved

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Speaker 15: our company.

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Speaker 3: Tell you something for nothing, and you go back to

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Speaker 3: Catherine on this program yesterday, and I'm the last person

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Speaker 3: to be talking about intervention. I'm not an interventionist. But

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Speaker 3: you look at what's happening in the car industry in

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Speaker 3: Europe and you look at what's happening in the car

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Speaker 3: industry in America, and they are two completely different stories.

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Speaker 3: And if you accept that the Chinese government are artificially

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Speaker 3: banking the car industry, which they are, there is no

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Speaker 3: way in the world any car company in the world

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Speaker 3: that's not Chinese can compete. So who's ultimately right? Come on, Mike,

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Speaker 3: let's look into other politicians background and see what other

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Speaker 3: companies in real estate they own. I think the public

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Speaker 3: would be astounded. Well they wouldn't, because there's annualist published

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Speaker 3: every year and you can look till your heart's content.

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Speaker 3: The point is Luxeon's the leader, so there's plenty of here.

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Speaker 3: One of the richest people in parliament's Mike Mitchell. As

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Speaker 3: far as they can work out, but it doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: because Mike's not the Prime Minister. Like I am so

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Speaker 3: bored with the subject of Luxon and his wealth driven

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Speaker 3: in part by have not lefties. Could we focus in

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Speaker 3: instead on how he acquired his wealth, who and what

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Speaker 3: inspired him? Anything but that negativity step. I tend to

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Speaker 3: agree I'm bored Whitner's. But there is indisputably affixation in

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Speaker 3: this country, I think, largely driven by the media sadly

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Speaker 3: into these sort of matters. Four minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The ins and the Ouse. It's the fizz with business fiber.

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Speaker 1: Take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what you can do when your riches by

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Speaker 3: a cell phone? More cell phones, lots of cell phones.

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Speaker 3: I've got some tracking this morning. Globally. There are two

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Speaker 3: brands neck and neck globally for the top market share

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Speaker 3: in Q three. Who are they? Well, of course their

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Speaker 3: Apple and Samsung. They both got eighteen percent share of

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Speaker 3: the market. Apple have got the iPhone sixteen. Samsung have

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Speaker 3: got the foldables. The problem though, is that the sixteen

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Speaker 3: was only out for three days of Q three, so

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Speaker 3: that's probably going to do better in the Q four numbers.

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Speaker 3: Third place, we got Jomi. It is Yomy, Isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Is it Yomy? Jaomi fourteen percent of the market. They've

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Speaker 3: launched the red me Note fourteen and they've got the

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Speaker 3: fifteen coming fourteen percent share. They're not even in North America,

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Speaker 3: and they're not in many European markets, you know why.

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Speaker 3: And Opo they're fourth with nine percent, Vivo they're fifth

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Speaker 3: with nine percent, and the other thirty two percent of

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Speaker 3: the market is made up of about eight hundred million

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Speaker 3: phone companies that you've never heard of. So therese are

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Speaker 3: fine insight this morning. What does Sharon reckon about the

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Speaker 3: old CPI today? Sharon zold are out of the A

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Speaker 3: and Z. Have we tamed the sucker for once and

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Speaker 3: for all? Therefore, what happens to the cash rate?

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Speaker 19: More shortly, the newspakers and the personalities the big names.

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Speaker 2: Talk to like Costing, breakfast with a, Vita, retirement communities,

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Speaker 3: B seven past seven, So CPI day today, good old inflation.

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Speaker 3: The whole plan was to get it back in the

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Speaker 3: band of one to three percent. Would mean in theory,

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank could continue on its merry way, cutting

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Speaker 3: the cash rate and freeing up the economy a bit.

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Speaker 3: So what to expect and its chief economist Sharing's on

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Speaker 3: the bank with a Sharing good morning, good morning, mat

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Speaker 3: What you got for as numbers wise, well, actually.

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Speaker 25: Most of the domestic analysts are in a pretty tight

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Speaker 25: band actually, all agreeing that inflation will be around the

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Speaker 25: two point two to two point three percent year. Ye're

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Speaker 25: on your mark. That's the same as the Reserve Bank actually,

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Speaker 25: so there's pretty widespread the expectation that inflation is going

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Speaker 25: to be not just within the band, but.

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Speaker 26: Well within it.

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Speaker 3: Job done in the job done or not well.

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Speaker 25: So details aren't quite as friendly as the headline. Basically,

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Speaker 25: if you look at the non tradeable domestic part of inflation,

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Speaker 25: but that reflects wage growth and whether the economy has

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Speaker 25: been overheated or not. That sort of inflation still expected

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Speaker 25: to be north of five percent and actually barely lower

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Speaker 25: than last quarter, so still a way to go in

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Speaker 25: terms of the sustainability of it all. Rather the fall

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Speaker 25: in inflation sort of ninety percent of it over the

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Speaker 25: last year and a bit been driven by tradable inflation,

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Speaker 25: and that's actually expected to become a negative minus one

656
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Speaker 25: point six percent here on you. So that mostly import prices,

657
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Speaker 25: so there was a bank can take a bit of

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Speaker 25: credit for that, and so far as terms than keeping

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Speaker 25: their prices sharp because consumption is weak because rates are high.

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Speaker 25: But some of it's a lot more those to do

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Speaker 25: with things like oil prices, bank of it, Well.

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Speaker 3: Do we want that sort of balance of what you

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Speaker 3: say is correct because a lot of the non tradable stuff,

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Speaker 3: there's councils, insurance, things like that, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: that that's necessarily getting attended to, is it. And if

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Speaker 3: that's going to be the case, aren't we still in

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Speaker 3: an element of trouble?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, the council rates are expected to be up thirteen

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Speaker 25: percent in the quarter. That would actually be the highest

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Speaker 25: quarterly increase in rates since late nineteen eighty seven. So

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Speaker 25: some of that is related to past time inflation in

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Speaker 25: the economy, things like construction costs and wage costs that

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Speaker 25: you know, there's obviously a lag when it comes to

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Speaker 25: things like rates, but some of it stuff that there's

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Speaker 25: a bank really can't do much about at all. Infrastructure needs,

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Speaker 25: that sort of thing, but they can reasonably expect that

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Speaker 25: that sort of thing plus insurance costs would be another

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Speaker 25: one that those will reduce. Well, not prices weren't fall,

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Speaker 25: but the inflation rate will fall over time. So as

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Speaker 25: long as the core inflation's falling, then I think they

681
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Speaker 25: think they can be pretty relaxed about that, Probably more

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Speaker 25: relaxed than rate players about those high increases because they

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Speaker 25: will they're not going to stop inflation from being in

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Speaker 25: targeted over nine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so fifty or seventy five in November, we're picking.

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Speaker 25: Fifty most everybody is, but obviously this is a really

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Speaker 25: important checkpoint on that front. We've also got labor market

688
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Speaker 25: data just three weeks before that decision, so the market's

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Speaker 25: weighing up whether it'll be fifty or seventy five. They're

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Speaker 25: pricing in a little bit more than fifty, but a

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Speaker 25: seventy five point cut that does have more than a

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Speaker 25: whisk of emergency at data state that I think it'll

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Speaker 25: come down to whether they think, why do we need

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Speaker 25: to cut seventy five or why not cut seventy five?

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Speaker 25: And the outlook for inflation will have a lot to

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Speaker 25: do with that, because the ocr the official cash rate's

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Speaker 25: still clearly at contractionary levels. But yeah, I think sittytide

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Speaker 25: would be a pretty big deal. It's not something you

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Speaker 25: see very often. So of course we did see sidneyside

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Speaker 25: those point hypes on the way up, and we do

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Speaker 25: also have a twelve week gap between them and in

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Speaker 25: the meeting and the February one, so you could actually

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Speaker 25: argue in that regard that a fifty point cut would

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Speaker 25: be a slowing down and the.

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Speaker 3: Past of easy exactly. It's interesting, all right, Chhar, appreciate

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Speaker 3: your expertise as almost Sharon's on and it's the chief Economists.

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Speaker 3: When I say interesting, I mean it's broadly interesting. I'd

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Speaker 3: rather not be in the middle of it run by idiots.

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Speaker 3: But you know here we are eleven minutes past seven, Pasky,

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Speaker 3: the debate have a compulsory Ta kung A marii lessons

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Speaker 3: for law students. So we've talked about this on the

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Speaker 3: program before Riches Parliament Today King's Council Garry Judd's taking

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Speaker 3: his fight to the Government Regulations Review Select Committee. Now

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Speaker 3: he argues the Council of Legal Education and stepping outside

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Speaker 3: it's remit by forcing non proper law subject on students

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Speaker 3: and garies back with us. Gary, morning to you moning Mark.

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Speaker 3: Since we last talked, what sort of reaction have you got?

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Speaker 27: Well, I think the people are becoming more and more

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Speaker 27: understanding of the fact that we have an activist of

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Speaker 27: politically activist judiciary at the moment. This of course is

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Speaker 27: not all judges, but some of them seem to have

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Speaker 27: gained the view that instead of being there as impartial

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Speaker 27: deciders of a particular case, they are there to make

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Speaker 27: an unmake law, which of course is the province of Parliament. Now,

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Speaker 27: this committee, the Regulation Review Committee, has the ability to

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Speaker 27: send a very strong signal that this is not acceptable

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Speaker 27: by disallowing regulations which have been passed by the Council

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Speaker 27: of Legal Education to make Teacunger compulsory for law students

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Speaker 27: and to infuse tea Kunger into all aspects of our

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Speaker 27: legal system. Now, if the Committee decides that it should

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Speaker 27: move a resolution in the House to disallow these regulations,

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Speaker 27: it will be seeming a powerful signal to those who

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Speaker 27: should hear it that this is not acceptable. Well, if,

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Speaker 27: on the other hand, they decide not to do anything,

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Speaker 27: they will essentially be seen as giving the green light

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Speaker 27: correct to what is ready as political active does it.

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Speaker 3: Here's my problem, Gary, I talked to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: about something very similar yesterday. The Solicitor General's Instructions for

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Speaker 3: Prosecution in the Court says of January this year he

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Speaker 3: ran for the hills. He says, it's all independent, it's

741
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Speaker 3: not about me. There's nothing I can do. I don't

742
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Speaker 3: like the sound of it. Why wouldn't the Committee say

743
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Speaker 3: the same thing today? All the courts don't want to

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Speaker 3: touch them.

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Speaker 27: Well, well they do, but I think this actually is

746
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Speaker 27: a watershed moment for Parliament if they don't do anything.

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Speaker 26: This is the point that I'm making.

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Speaker 27: If they don't do anything, they will be seen to

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Speaker 27: be giving the green light to the sort of activism

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Speaker 27: and it is very very damaging to New Zealand socially,

751
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Speaker 27: but not just socially but also economically. Because tea hunger

752
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Speaker 27: is a sort of a flexible.

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Speaker 3: Type of it's interpreted. You can like it, you can

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Speaker 3: interpret it any way you like.

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Speaker 27: It's not really law at now. You know, for accustom

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Speaker 27: to the over hundreds of years, it's been the law

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Speaker 27: that we're built up that for a custom to be

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Speaker 27: accepted as a law, it had to be certain and consistent,

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Speaker 27: it had to be reasonable, and it had to be

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Speaker 27: not repugnant to justice and morality. Now, what the Supreme

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Speaker 27: Court has said is that tea Kunger cannot satisfy those tests.

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Speaker 27: Therefore the tests have to change. I mean, it really

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Speaker 27: is an unbelievable situation because if the judges were doing

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Speaker 27: their job properly, they would have said those things had

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Speaker 27: required before the custom can be recognized as law. Ta

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Speaker 27: Kunger cannot satisfy those requirements. Therefore, we rejected the notion

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Speaker 27: of Ta Kung of being part of the law.

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Speaker 3: You were one hundred percent correct, Gary, But whether or

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Speaker 3: not you'll get that across the line today is going

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Speaker 3: to be a great fascination to me. So I appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time very much, Gary. Judcase see the irony of

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Speaker 3: him is that Roger Partridge in the New Zealand Initiative

773
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Speaker 3: write a very insightful report or release of very insightful

774
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Speaker 3: report today on the creep we're seeing within the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get stuck into that in about twenty minutes

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Speaker 3: times seven to fifteen.

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Speaker 3: B seventeen past seven. Small delay in Wellington this morning

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Speaker 3: on the rail yet again there was a seal on

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Speaker 3: the tracks. I don't make the stuff up. There was

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Speaker 3: a seal on the tracks and they thought about getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of buses in because they didn't want to

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Speaker 3: I don't know, move the seal, but anyway, the seal

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Speaker 3: then moved and so the trains are back running and

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Speaker 3: so there's a lot of people, you know, blah blah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it would be a big problem because

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Speaker 3: I didn't think anyone went into the office in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: But maybe that edict from the government actually worked anyway.

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Speaker 3: HOSPO eighteen past seven. If HOSPOW wasn't hard enough, we

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Speaker 3: now have ourselves in el Fresco debates. So council's raking

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Speaker 3: it in from business through outdoor fees Queenstown. There's a

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Speaker 3: claim the outdoor overheads and more than the restaurant's rent

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Speaker 3: towrong and having trouble as well. Hospoit, New Zealand CEO

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Speaker 3: Steve Armitage toward the Steve Morning.

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Speaker 28: Good morning bike.

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Speaker 3: This old sitting on the street. For those of us

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Speaker 3: who've been around a while, we've argued for this for

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Speaker 3: the years. Is this just a land slash money grab

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Speaker 3: for councils who were short of doe at the moment.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, I think you've covered over a long period of

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Speaker 28: time the predicament of the local government faces. They've got

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Speaker 28: significant cross pressures and obviously limited ability to raise revenue.

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Speaker 28: But you know, public spaces, give restaurants, cafes and bars

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Speaker 28: a chance to expand their businesses and to attract customers

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Speaker 28: that had benefits for the hospitality businesses. So when arguing

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Speaker 28: against paying fair charge to use public space, but a

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Speaker 28: hospitality businesses just can't weather these increases at this current time.

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Speaker 3: Around. Is there variability around the country, I mean, do

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Speaker 3: they make it up as they go along?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, there is variability, and as you've highlighted, obviously there's

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Speaker 28: been a bit of a focus on tot on it.

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Speaker 28: But Queenstown's where we're seeing most acutely. And one of

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Speaker 28: our members, theere is, highlighted that their annual costs have

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Speaker 28: gone up from three thousand, two hundred dollars a year,

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Speaker 28: so more than fifty one thousand. That's sixteen thousands correct.

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Speaker 3: How many tables and chairs they have on the footpath

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Speaker 3: they have to sell.

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Speaker 28: They're telling us they're having to sell another sixty thousand

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Speaker 28: drinks per year just to pay that off common for

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Speaker 28: a week. Yeah, it's hard to get your head around.

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Speaker 28: And as I say, there's no approach to this in

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Speaker 28: a graduated sense. So it's just people are getting their

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Speaker 28: renewed licenses and being hit with us in one and

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Speaker 28: it's going to hollow out it cities and town centers.

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Speaker 3: And they don't The councils don't see the value of

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Speaker 3: having you know, I don't know successful businesses in their area,

828
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Speaker 3: et cetera. It's just a money grabs.

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Speaker 28: It's hard to see it in the other way. But

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Speaker 28: as we all understand the cost pressures that the local

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Speaker 28: government's facing, they're finding it hard to generate revenue. But

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Speaker 28: there has to be a common sense approach to this.

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Speaker 28: You can't just do this in one time.

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Speaker 3: Even going look, I know you want to charge me

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Speaker 3: six bucks for my coffee, but I'm a bit tight

836
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Speaker 3: at the moment, say look I'll give you three and

837
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Speaker 3: you go okay. I mean, that's not how it works.

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Speaker 3: You don't just go around, you know, making bills up

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Speaker 3: depending on what your mood is or what your bank

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Speaker 3: balance is.

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Speaker 28: No, so it'd be fascinating for you to get the

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Speaker 28: relevant baluncels on to explain the process that they've undertaken

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Speaker 28: you because the consultation has been a pretty shambolic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we will. Actually it's a very good challenge.

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Speaker 3: Sam onto it. Please, counsels, Let's get some Let's get some.

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Speaker 3: Wait till I get to the Solicitor General in our

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Speaker 3: interaction with that particular office yesterday. That's a story all

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Speaker 3: Great Chemist Warehouse October catalog offers got awayd the twenty

869
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: third of October in store online. Whatever you like, but

870
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: stop paying too much with Chemists Warehouse. Tasky, what is

871
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: it with prime ministers and houses? A Our prime minister

872
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: has one of his rentals on the market, having sold

873
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: another one recently, along with his apartment in Wellington Rope.

874
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 3: I have not mentioned any of this because I don't

875
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: think it matters. Wealth is comparative. Wealth, if well earned

876
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: as opposed to one or inherited, should be encouraged. And

877
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: if you have worked hard and you've got some houses,

878
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: or some savings, or some shares or some companies, good

879
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 3: luck to you. I would go further and suggest if

880
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: you have earned your wealth, that might indicate you have

881
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: a sense of how to run things, a quality we might,

882
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, want to see more of in our

883
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: leaders Wellington. Anyone, poor old alban Easy across the ditch,

884
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: according to yesterday's media, has made a dreadful, dreadful mistake. He,

885
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: like our prime minister has a house. In fact, he

886
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: has a new house. One headline read there is nothing

887
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: safe about buying a house on a cliff in the

888
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: middle of a housing crisis. The article followed it was

889
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: not complementary. Then another headline alban Easy defends decision to

890
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: buy cliff top house, and so it went. The problem

891
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: is the house is a bit flash as they say.

892
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: It cost a bit over four million bucks. Now four

893
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: million in New South Wales is up there, but you

894
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: can spend fifty and indeed the most expensive house this

895
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: year has just gone on the market at one hundred million.

896
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: But none of that matters. What matters is Old Elbow

897
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: has four million for a place with a view and

898
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: that's not fair. So what is fair? How many houses

899
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: can lux and known before it's not a good look.

900
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: A lot of talk about optics in Australia yesterday. What

901
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: is acceptable when it comes to optics? Is it the

902
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: number of houses or the size of the house, or

903
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: the cost of the house or the views the house has?

904
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: Are you allowed to pull? When did we become obsessed

905
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: with the measure of money and what it says about

906
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: your ability to do a job? Did you elect Elbow

907
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: to run the country or not? Or did you elect

908
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: him to look optically correct? Is Luxen there to fix

909
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: our economic crisis or write op eds for one roof?

910
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: In rough measure, the ability to find four million for

911
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: a cliff top home or a handful of rentals represents

912
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: some kind of success. I've always thought success was kind

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: of good to be supported and encouraged. And I know

914
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: quite a few people who could raise four million dollars

915
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: for a house and I think no less of them

916
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: because they have a bobb or too. Normally, when people

917
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: do well, we like it. Why is it different with

918
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: publicly elected officials? Pasking there we come to Paul Goldsmith,

919
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: who may or may not be about to do with

920
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: something about the New Zealand Film Commission, who went to

921
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: cawn As in the film festival and they spend one

922
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five thousand dollars for four staff members.

923
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: That a lot of money. I don't think that's a

924
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: lot of money for four people where I did go.

925
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: That's interesting for accommodation twenty four thousand dollars, twenty one

926
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for travel for four people to get to

927
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: the other side of the world. If you've seen. The

928
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: price of an air ticket is not the end of

929
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: It's about six thousand dollars, so I'm guessing at that

930
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: level they probably flew premium. As an economy. They did

931
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: spend twenty four grand on food and drink, and I

932
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: thought that's a lot of money for food and drink.

933
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: They spent more on food than they spent on air

934
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: fares orccommodation. I'm thinking something went wrong there. They defend

935
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: themselves both say they had a huge number of meetings.

936
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: By our account, they had as many as ten meetings

937
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: a day, and meetings, in my personal experience, are generally

938
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: a waste of time. Nevertheless, they had a lot of meetings,

939
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: but one hundred and forty five thousand dollars, I don't

940
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: know that that's necessarily the end of the world. What's

941
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: more important is the Supreme Court and their creep. More shortly, the.

942
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Breakfast Show You Can Trust the mic Hosking Breakfast with

943
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: the Range Rover Villa designed to intrigue and use tog SEDB.

944
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: Marc and Jinny Politics Wednesday after eight and twenty four

945
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: minutes away from it, we got awarding this morning from

946
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Initiative, a constitutional crisis is looming now.

947
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: The issue is the interventionism of the Supreme Court. Decisions

948
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: have come into question with legal scholars, practitioners and politicians

949
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: raising concerns. So what are we going to do? New

950
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Zealand Initiative chair and senior fellow Roger Partridge is well,

951
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: it's Rodger're very good morning to you.

952
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 29: Good morning.

953
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm glad somebody's finally got on to this because this

954
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: has been concerning me for absolutely ages. Is it the

955
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: individual group of judges currently at the Supreme Court level

956
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: that we just happened to have got some sticky beaks,

957
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: or is it the court itself or is it a movement?

958
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 29: Well, it's a little bit of all three. It's more

959
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 29: the it's more the current judges. We've always had activist

960
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 29: judges within our senior courts. The movement has gained momentum

961
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 29: over the last few years and so we're seeing a

962
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 29: court that's much more active, activist and to the point

963
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 29: where we're at the ban point.

964
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: Right, does the government, being the top court ultimately at

965
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: the end of the day, not counter whatever they may

966
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: or may not do. Well.

967
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 29: The report is a call for them to do that.

968
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 29: Parliament's most blunt response, where it is the court's taking

969
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 29: the law off in a direction that's not consistent with

970
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 29: what Parliament intended, or is in a direction Parliament doesn't

971
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 29: agree with. It's mostly instruments to pass legislation, getting the

972
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 29: law back on track, and it's unquestionably in Parliament's mandate

973
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 29: to do that and it should do.

974
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: Do you think Parliament's afraid? I refer to yesterday's interview

975
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 3: with Christopher Luxen and the Solicitor General, and he ran

976
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: and it's not the first time he's done it. He's

977
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 3: run for the hills. He argues, they're independent, I can't

978
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: touch them. Are they afraid in that sense?

979
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 29: Well, I think there's a bit of feeling out about

980
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 29: the boundaries and Parliament's prerogative to intervene when the Court

981
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 29: goes off in what steers out of this vein. I

982
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 29: suppose it's a good metaphor and the report is a

983
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 29: pall to Parliament. It's your job to set the law straight.

984
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 29: As our constitution, democratically elected Parliament is the supreme court. Really,

985
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 29: it's above the court in our legal hierarchy, and it's

986
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 29: absolutely Parliament's prerogative to determine the direction of a law,

987
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 29: and Parliament should intervene when it sees the court's very

988
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 29: away from what's parliament sintend do.

989
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: How much of what they're doing interventionally speaking, is race

990
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: based versus legally generally.

991
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 29: I think it's legally generally. It's a misguided view that

992
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 29: well at first gets the excessive license they've granted themselves

993
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 29: to reinterpret partans words. That's the first concern, And up

994
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 29: until the mid two thousands, our Supreme Court was expercising

995
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 29: more constraint than other sports of the world. That's been

996
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 29: thrown aside over the last few years. So that's the

997
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 29: first thing. And the second thing is they've decided that

998
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 29: the proper approach to the common law, the body of

999
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 29: principles made up by decided cases over centuries. They've decided

1000
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 29: it's their prerogative to take the common law on a

1001
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 29: journey to match the current judges views of society's changing values.

1002
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 29: Now that politicizes the judiciary, it means they're substituting their

1003
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 29: own values. The riskers they're perceived as substituting their own

1004
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 29: values for those of the common law, and it's obvious

1005
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 29: that they're not equipped to do that, and they're not

1006
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 29: democratically accountable for those decisions in the way that Parliament is.

1007
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 29: And so it's Parliament's job to step in and to

1008
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 29: ensure that the court's exercise restrained. And we've set out

1009
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 29: a menu of five things the Parliament can do, including

1010
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 29: parsing specific legislation, overturning adberrant court decisions, but also setting

1011
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 29: in place some guardrails against judicial overreach, and then some

1012
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 29: institutional reforms to the way judges are appointed.

1013
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: Also, we had Gary Judd earlier on this morning a

1014
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: case he was going to a Select committee today and

1015
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 3: he's worried about Ta Kanger being put into law studies.

1016
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: If those sort of things come through, If you get

1017
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: a thing like tea hunger and law studies, and then

1018
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: people graduate having studied tea kunger, and it's open to

1019
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of interpretation, That open to interpretation approach

1020
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: goes into more courts than up through to I mean,

1021
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: you're asking for endless amounts of trouble, aren't you.

1022
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 29: Well has always been a place for tit hunger in

1023
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 29: our law, and so I don't think the problem is

1024
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 29: so much tea hunger. It's the Supreme court's approach to it.

1025
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 29: In the common law, custom and tea hunger is a

1026
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 29: form of custom has always been a source of law.

1027
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 29: So I don't think the issue is so much tea hunger.

1028
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 29: It's the issue is the court's approach.

1029
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 3: The rationale of my question is that if you're open sea,

1030
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: so I mean, if you deal with guilty not guilty,

1031
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: it seems to be relatively black and white. But once

1032
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 3: you start interpreting the law, the more interpretational mechanisms of

1033
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: interpretation you allow yourself, the looser you can become if

1034
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 3: you're an interventionist. Isn't that fair?

1035
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 29: That's right? And a critical requirement of laws is that

1036
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 29: they're consistent and predictable. That's the fundamental requirement of the

1037
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 29: rule of law. That and impartial courts. So yes, the

1038
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 29: common law has developed quite good tests for determining when

1039
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 29: customs have the status and the certainty necessary to be

1040
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 29: recognized as more. In the LUs case, the Court throughout

1041
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 29: the common law test and has left us for this quagma.

1042
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: We've now got you seem to have well, not you.

1043
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: We seem to have a couple of problems. One, do

1044
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: we accept that what the Supreme Court doing is unacceptable

1045
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: or acceptable. If we accept it as being unacceptable, then

1046
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: who does something about it?

1047
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: I e.

1048
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: The Parliament? And then your second problem, do they have

1049
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: the wherewithal the gonads or the spine to actually look

1050
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: at your suggestions and do something about them?

1051
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 29: Well, I think unquestionably that they do, and I would

1052
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 29: expect some of the recommendations and hopefully all of them

1053
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 29: to be implemented.

1054
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: Jeez, I hope you're right. Roger appreciate it. Si'm Roger Partridge,

1055
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand Initiative chair and senior Vella. So it's a

1056
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: very important report that gets released today and the Latensmith podcast,

1057
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: by the way, I can allerd you to this now

1058
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Speaker 3: he looks at length and talks with Roger at length

1059
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: because the report is by Partridge, the chairman of the

1060
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: New Zealand Initiative of course, over the overreach, the activism

1061
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 3: and so on, and so Layton looks into this in

1062
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: this latest podcast. So I would recommend if you want

1063
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 3: an extended and more detailed view of it than we've

1064
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 3: been able to provide this morning, then that's the place

1065
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: you should head. Seventeen to two.

1066
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Speaker 2: The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

1067
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1068
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Speaker 3: Where it's fourteen away from eight, which brings me. It's interesting.

1069
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: We've developed a sort of a theme on the legals

1070
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Speaker 3: this morning, but the gallery let us down yesterday, as

1071
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: in the political Gallery, and it's part of my growing

1072
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: dismay at the industry. Unfortunately, I've made my living at

1073
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: for forty three years, so bad was it yesterday. So

1074
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: we've raised on this program the Solicitor General's guidelines for

1075
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: prosecution to the police as of next year, and the

1076
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Speaker 3: Solicitor General, as we revealed on the program yesterday, relies

1077
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Speaker 3: on among others, a Natonu Night, a Natonu Nis, a

1078
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Speaker 3: group that was set up in twenty eighteen under the

1079
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Speaker 3: auspices of Andrew Little, who had a big get together

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Speaker 3: and these activists decided they didn't like the justice system,

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Speaker 3: so they had meeting and they formed a group to

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Speaker 3: recognize the justice system as a settler colonial and to

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00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: be again decolonizing the injustice system. And those are the

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: people who advise the Solicitor General, who then goes on

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00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: and writes to the prosecution to think carefully when you

1086
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 3: run into some people who might have had some previous

1087
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 3: trouble with the judicial process. In other words, it's all

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: race based. So we asked the Prime Minister about this,

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00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 3: and this is a scandal. So does the gallery pick

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00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 3: up the story and run with it and ask a

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00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: few politicians when they return to the Parliament yesterday, Know

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00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: they do not What are they asking politicians about? Well,

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: they're asking about towy billboards, of course, because that's what

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: gallery journalists do these days, because none of them have

1095
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: any institutional knowledge or any interest in real news anymore.

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00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: So bad does it get that David Seymour is standing

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00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: on the black and white tiles being interviewed by the media,

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: suddenly goes, I'm actually surprised, quote unquote, I'm actually surprised

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00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: that there's not more people asking. When he sees not

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00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: more people asking, there was actually no one asking asking

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00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: about these prosecution guidelines. They're totally inconsistent with the values

1102
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Speaker 3: of a civilized country where everyone is equal before the law.

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00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: They're totally inconsistent with this government's commitment to need not race,

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00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: which is part of the coalition commitment. We've raised it

1105
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: with Judith Collins, who says she's all over it and

1106
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: we look forward to her acting on what seems to

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: be a pretty egregious breach of the foundational principles of

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00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 3: the country Press gallery at that point, and they go

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: now back to the billboards. I don't make that part up.

1110
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: Back to the billboards. That's what the gallery unfortunately have

1111
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: sunk to. And that is why, yet again, why do

1112
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: New Zealand view the media the way they do, with

1113
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: the level of distrust they do. You've got a genuine

1114
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: story here, if not a scandal, and you can cut

1115
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: it two ways if you want one. Do you agree

1116
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 3: with race based policy or not? You can ask about that.

1117
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: And even if you do agree with race based policy

1118
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: and you think it's fantastic that Murray get a better deal,

1119
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: what you can ask the government about is why did

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00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: they promise a whole bunch of stuff they've not delivered

1121
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: one or the other. Take you pick. I don't care

1122
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: Judith Colin, she's off shore, will be talking to us

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00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: next week when she gets back. So, of course, as

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00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister said quite rightly on the program yesterday,

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00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: you would need to asked the Solicitor General about that.

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00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: I thought not a bad idea. I mean, we'd obviously

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00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: already thought of it. So we rang it would that

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00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: make a good toy billboard?

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Speaker 14: Though probably as the media, yes said, the media is

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 14: doing a great job in this country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, you should call the Solicitor General and talk

1132
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: to her about it. Yeah right. So anyway, we call

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00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: the Solicitor General's office, and the advantage that we have

1134
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: with me is that I get to the office relatively early,

1135
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: because of course, one of the first things you can

1136
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: you can do is say, oh, no busy today, No problem,

1137
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm here at three. What time shall we make at three, three, ten, three, fifteen, three,

1138
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: twenty three, forty four, ten, four point thirty, et cetera.

1139
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: So they came back and they eventually said to us

1140
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: that she wasn't available for an interview at the moment.

1141
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: So we went back and we said, well, okay, what's

1142
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: that the moment mean? Well, they said this week I mean,

1143
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: and it is to be fair, it was Tuesday, so

1144
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: you only got Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to go. So we're

1145
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 3: backing things up a little bit. We said, no problem,

1146
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: how about next week any time you like? From three

1147
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: in the morning on. They came back to us to said, quote,

1148
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: it looks like the Solicitor General are not available next

1149
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 3: week or any week. They didn't say any week. I'm

1150
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: making that part up, but my guess is the solicitor

1151
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: General's never going to be made available. And so there's

1152
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 3: your problem. So you go to scandal brewing. No one's accountable,

1153
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: and the one people or one person or one group

1154
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: that is, i e. The politicians, they're running for the

1155
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: hills and the gallery. Of course again now back to

1156
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 3: the twey billboards, and you wonder why we are where

1157
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: we are? Nine away from it?

1158
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: On my Costkill Breakfair visits with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

1159
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: The Way I promote. We got this year's dice and

1160
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: winner for New Zealand, Jack Puw behind a medical multi

1161
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: tool called cap Snap, aims to protect healthcare workers from

1162
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: injury medical waste. He's taken out the New Zealand version

1163
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: of the James Dison Award. He's been named as a

1164
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: finalist in the Global Top twenty, which is super exciting.

1165
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 30: Jack.

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: Morning, morning, Mike. Are you an inventor? Is that what

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00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 3: you do? Or not? Really?

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00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 4: Uh? What?

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Speaker 26: In a definition of the sense, you could say.

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00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: What's that I should have? I should I've done this

1171
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: all wrong? What's it look like to start with giving

1172
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 3: or on radio.

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Speaker 26: Ah, So cap snapp very simply. You can imagine it

1174
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 26: as a cross between a bottle opener and a craft knife,

1175
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 26: right if you're trying to visualize what it looks like.

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Speaker 3: And what are you trying to do with a vial?

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Speaker 3: Are you trying to stop it being broken? Or are

1178
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: you stopping me getting cut?

1179
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Speaker 26: So the vials that have to be snapped in half

1180
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 26: in order to get the medicatching out, you have to

1181
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 26: break those open, and there's no avoiding vamp. But this

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00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 26: tool hopes to help do that without katting yourself in

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 26: the process.

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: Okay, And if I need to get a cap off something,

1185
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: that tool does the same thing as well. So it's

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 3: a two in one.

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00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 26: Yeah, it's a two for one works just like a

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 26: bottle opner. It said that can adjust to different sizes

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00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 26: because the medical crimpsile vials come across and a range

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Speaker 26: of sizes from betty bitty to pretty big.

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Speaker 3: Is it constructively or industrially complex?

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Speaker 26: No, So the hope is to get it as easy

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 26: here and mechanically simple as possible. That way, it's cheaper

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00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 26: and easier to make.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and does it work every time?

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Speaker 17: It's it foolproof, So it's not completely full proof, but

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Speaker 17: we're trying to work to get the fails down as

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Speaker 17: much as possible with those caps.

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Speaker 26: But the vile side of things is pretty pretty consistent.

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Speaker 3: And how did you go from the eye? Because I

1201
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: get the idea, you think, right, I need something to

1202
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: be able to solve this problem. I get that part.

1203
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: How difficult was it to one design and to get

1204
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Speaker 3: somebody to make it well?

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Speaker 26: The design process, you know, there were ups and downs,

1206
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 26: but ultimately working through the steps with the clinician too,

1207
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 26: having the problem, where would it come to something with

1208
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 26: not too much trouble in the end?

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Speaker 3: If you win this, do you get to monetize it

1210
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: and the ticket or you don't know or you don't care,

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Speaker 3: or you do it now?

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 26: Rich the James Dyson Award, they if I were to

1213
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 26: take out sort of the top spot, they would put

1214
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 26: forward a big amount of money to sort of inject

1215
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 26: into the project in the hope that it would assist

1216
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Speaker 26: with the commercialization process.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic. You got a dice in vacuum.

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Speaker 26: I don't split a puff my budget at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We'll see when you win the big prize, you can

1220
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: get yourself a diceon vacuum and you can put this

1221
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: out on the Do you dream of commercializing in that sense?

1222
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 26: I would really like to get it into Question's hands

1223
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 26: so it can actually help them actually solve the problem.

1224
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: Fantastic.

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 26: I think that'd be great.

1226
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your Jack will go well with it,

1227
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: Jack Pugh. I hate to talk to somebody who's that

1228
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: bright who doesn't have a Dison vacuum. Dyson, give them

1229
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: a vacuum, for God's sake. How do you get to

1230
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: be a finalist in a Dison contest and you haven't

1231
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: got a vacuum? Mark and Jinny after the News for

1232
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: you at Newstalk Zed be.

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Speaker 2: Big used bold opinions, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's

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00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial and rural

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Speaker 2: use Togs, edb.

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Speaker 31: I one Love like spring Sea, Still Love Maude same

1237
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Speaker 31: A one about a Team, don't mind I Long.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember her voice sounding like.

1239
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Speaker 1: This, Bend Dooke.

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: Are then same always like Casey Chambers the new album's backbone,

1241
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: and she had been around for twenty five years. I'm

1242
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: reading this morning, which doesn't time flying a doesn't it

1243
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: make you sound old when you say things like it

1244
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: doesn't time fly The Captain was the original album. Anyway,

1245
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: she hasn't done anything for six years, and that comes

1246
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: to the warning of this album. She may sound a

1247
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: bit more content on these songs than she did in

1248
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 3: her younger years, which can probably be chalked up to

1249
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: the wisdom of experience. Same Morning goes for this program.

1250
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: There's a Nate Minister in there. Lose Yourself. She's live

1251
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: at the Civic. That's what happens. I watching that Billy

1252
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: Joel Constant the other night on whatever. I've watched it

1253
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: on Netflix or Neon or wherever it was. That's the

1254
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: great thing about concerts. At concerts, they do different versions

1255
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: of the songs, and sometimes they're brilliant. Piano man was

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: brilliant and Lose Yourself Live at the Pacific gave and

1257
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 3: heard that one but at eight minutes and fifteen and

1258
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 3: better hope it's brilliant. Otherwise people are going, God, that's

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Speaker 3: been going on a bit longer time for politics Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: Jinny Anderson as well as along with Mike Mitchell, Good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Mike, Good morning. Growth.

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Speaker 3: Now, Jinny, are you sending a bit down Ginny, something

1263
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: going wrong this morning? What's happened there?

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 32: No, I'm good right, I've had my coffee.

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: Here's the story. How many in the morning do you have?

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01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 32: Only try to have one.

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 23: I'm rather hyperactive already, so I keep it to two

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01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 23: and not anymore after one o'clock in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very wise. What about you, matte Well?

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Speaker 4: I admired Jenny, because at the end of the day,

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01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: when you wake up in the morning and realize you're

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Speaker 4: in the labor party, have.

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Speaker 32: You done that much?

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01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 23: You wake up and thank you for the labor party?

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01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 23: That's delusional.

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01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: Imagine if you wake up in the morning marking too much?

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Speaker 32: Give him that.

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Speaker 23: It's term much more than a bloody coffee to Copravada,

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Speaker 23: I reckon.

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Speaker 3: Now, Ginny, do you believe Karen macinaughty when he doesn't

1281
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Speaker 3: want to be the leader of the party?

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Speaker 4: I do?

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Speaker 23: Indeed I did too. Kiaren is a great guy, but

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 23: he does not have leadership ambitions, even though the media

1285
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Speaker 23: love to keep asking a man he simply does not exactly.

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Speaker 3: I believe him, that is word. I believe him, and

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Speaker 3: I believe Barbara Edmonds when she says it's never going

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Speaker 3: to happen that. So the question then is what about you, Genny,

1289
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: do you have leadership aspirations? Who's going to replace Chippy?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not me.

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Speaker 32: No, I'm I'm very happy with my life the way

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Speaker 32: it is.

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Speaker 23: I very much enjoy the areas I work in, and

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Speaker 23: I love working as part of a great team.

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Speaker 32: So no, I have no ambition in saying Okay.

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Speaker 3: So the fifty four percent you think you should stay,

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Speaker 3: that's probably fair because I wonder, and I wonder if

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Speaker 3: you can answer this question apolitically. Is part of the

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Speaker 3: reason he's still there, apart from the fact he probably

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Speaker 3: wants to be there, is that you don't have anybody

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Speaker 3: obvious to replace him when the time comes.

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Speaker 23: My view is that he is the best one for

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Speaker 23: the job. When you see him in question time yesterday,

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Speaker 23: when you see how quick he is on his feet

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Speaker 23: and how able he is in the house and to

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Speaker 23: respond to issues and to know where to take us next.

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Speaker 23: He's the only one really in our team with those

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Speaker 23: skills and that ability any experience. Well, Mar's had a

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Speaker 23: couple of cracks himself at running for leaderships and he's

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Speaker 23: failed on those, So maybe he would give us some

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Speaker 23: better advice on what it's like to have a.

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Speaker 3: Crack wellout you dominating the segment, Jinny, because I seem

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Speaker 3: to have got my question line all muddled up here

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Speaker 3: this morning. But as a local MP, should somebody do

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Speaker 3: something about Wellington Council.

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Speaker 23: Look, it does seem to be problematic in terms of

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Speaker 23: some of those decisions and the way they've gone. I

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Speaker 23: really do think though the way that Simeon and Luxon

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Speaker 23: have reacted, that this is kind of distraction politics. It's

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Speaker 23: just not at that level yet of having to put

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Speaker 23: in a commissioner or do total or when you think

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Speaker 23: about Gore and the the young mere down there, I

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Speaker 23: mean that even never got close to that, even.

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Speaker 3: Though all the but that's because it's not the capital.

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Speaker 23: Yes, but I don't it's not at that point anywhere near.

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Speaker 23: And my my thoughts are the reason why they're stirring

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Speaker 23: this up is because there's no theories and everyone's here

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Speaker 23: is really annoyed that the one decided it's not no

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Speaker 23: decision and there's no decision taken on that. And I

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Speaker 23: still think this is distraction politics to take people's attention.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, and Mark, you are wealthy, I'm led

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Speaker 3: to believe this is correct.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's all relative. I mean, I've got a big mortgage.

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Speaker 3: Have you got how many towns has you got?

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Speaker 32: That's what it says on the pecuniary. Interesting is that

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Speaker 32: you've got.

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Speaker 3: To have you been reading the pecuniary interest list again.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you what she stalks me. There's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: About how many you got?

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Speaker 32: How many does you how many do you have?

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Speaker 4: I've got seven properties, I've got e Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're comparatively speaking wealthy? Is it important? Because

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Speaker 3: I just can't get past the subsession we seem to

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Speaker 3: have in this country that Luckxin's got a couple of flats.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to fleck off and suddenly he's out of touch.

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Speaker 3: And how the two correlate or join together because you're

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Speaker 3: wealthier than luxon is my guess, and we don't seem

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Speaker 3: to care about that.

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Speaker 4: Well. I mean, for me, just from a young guy,

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Speaker 4: when I first joined the police at twenty, I just

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Speaker 4: saved hard and I decided that I wanted to invest

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Speaker 4: my money and property. And that's been over thirty years.

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Speaker 4: But you know I still have mortgages. I still have

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Speaker 4: to I still have to worry about servicing those I've

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Speaker 4: been hit like everyone else with interest rates rises and

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Speaker 4: those sorts of issues. Everyone will make their own decisions

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Speaker 4: in terms of how they save and how they plan

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Speaker 4: for the future. Mine has been through property. I don't

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Speaker 4: have shares, I don't have anything else. It's just quite

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Speaker 4: simply being property.

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Speaker 3: But are you out of touch because you're wealthy?

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. And I don't look. This is just

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Speaker 4: to me. This is the most stupid debate that we

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Speaker 4: have in this country. What is the missage that we're

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Speaker 4: sending to our kids. I spent ten years in the

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Speaker 4: Middle East, where they celebrated success, they helped people up.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to see them successful. In New Zealand, for

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Speaker 4: some reason, we've still got this tall poppy syndrome. Were

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Speaker 4: you cut people off at the knees because they want

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Speaker 4: to be successful, they work.

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Speaker 32: I'd like to speakuous. There's a point.

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Speaker 3: Actually, can you hold on two seconds, have us a coffee.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back to this. I've got to get the ends.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen minutes past.

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Speaker 2: Eight the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 3: It be sixteen past day Politics Wednesday, Mark Metell, Ginny

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Speaker 3: Anderson Jinny, you're going to raise the subsidy thing.

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Speaker 23: No, I was just I was going to point out

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Speaker 23: that I don't think there's anything wrong with working hard,

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Speaker 23: saving and doing well. And you know, when I was

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Speaker 23: a waitress, we can countdown and a waitress from when

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Speaker 23: I was fifteen and when I was nineteen, I bought

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Speaker 23: a house on my own. So and that's helped set

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Speaker 23: me up. And so we believe as a party that

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Speaker 23: you should be able to work hard and save up

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Speaker 23: and buy a house and do well. The problem with

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Speaker 23: lux And is he sees things like I'm rich and

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Speaker 23: I'm sorted or I don't see.

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Speaker 32: It, and then it's just let me finish, let me finish.

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Speaker 32: It's those words. It's those words.

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Speaker 23: At a time when New Zealanders are spending heaps on

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Speaker 23: red and groceries and they're really struggling and they're looking

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Speaker 23: for a leader for some hope or some inspiration, and

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Speaker 23: all he talks about is his own comfortableness. And that's smart.

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Speaker 23: That hurts, and so that's the point he's running it.

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Speaker 23: It feels like he's he's got more than what.

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Speaker 4: Let me address it. Not once does he ever raise

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Speaker 4: or talk about his own personal situations. And it's when

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Speaker 4: you raise it and when you get stories in the media,

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Speaker 4: the media that I just said that all when the

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Speaker 4: stories in the media about it. So he doesn't talk

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Speaker 4: about it at all.

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Speaker 32: He talks about being a businessman all the time.

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Speaker 3: He does talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, there's successful.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you Mark, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Elbow yesterday buys a four point something million dollar house

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Speaker 3: and he's he's taking the same heat at the moment

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Speaker 3: that Luxen is for whatever reason, do you need to

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Speaker 3: be smarter about it? In other words, rightly or wrongly?

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Speaker 3: If you're going to be the prime minister of this country,

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Speaker 3: you can't flaat wealth, be seen to be wealthy in

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Speaker 3: any way, shape or form, or you know, what do

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Speaker 3: you do about it? I mean, you can't fifty one

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Speaker 3: percent think he's out of touch.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 3: The problem with that is that's real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And as Kiwi's naturally, as part of who we are,

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Speaker 4: as Kiwi's, we don't form that sort of stuff. We don't.

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Speaker 4: We're not out there talking about it all the time.

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Speaker 4: There's the odd person is but and he doesn't do that.

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Speaker 4: But what we should be doing, as kewis is this,

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Speaker 4: especially for our kids, we should be encouraging them to

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Speaker 4: get a good education and to aspire to do well

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Speaker 4: in life, to work hard and to do well in life,

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Speaker 4: and not continue to see to send a message that

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Speaker 4: if you do well in life, you're going to get pillared,

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 4: you're going to get attacked, and you're going to get

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Speaker 4: criticized for it.

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Speaker 3: See this is where I find see Jimmy theft is

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Speaker 3: he doesn't come he doesn't come from. And here's the

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Speaker 3: interesting thing, Jenny, I find Key got away with it,

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Speaker 3: and Key was wealthier than anybody, and he's seem to

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Speaker 3: get away with it. But Luxon's being picked on. And

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Speaker 3: I just can't work out why your argument would be

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Speaker 3: because he goes I'm rich and I'm sorted.

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Speaker 23: It's because he's not genuine about it. He doesn't seem

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Speaker 23: like he cares about New Zealanders. And it doesn't help

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Speaker 23: by him saying I don't care, so people feel like

1441
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Speaker 23: he just wants the top job to say he's done

1442
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Speaker 23: it and take a box. He's not there for the people.

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Speaker 23: And the guy in the coffee cart at the Hut

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Speaker 23: market said it to me, who's a voter national and

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Speaker 23: voted labor in the past, he said, it feels like

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Speaker 23: they don't care about me. They just care about their mates,

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Speaker 23: and that's the impression he's giving to New Zealanders.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, I just completely reject that. I mean, of

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Speaker 4: course he's got lots of options in terms of what

1450
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 4: he could do, but I'll tell you what he is.

1451
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 4: He's out there working twelve hour days, slogan's guts out,

1452
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 4: making hard decisions that the previous government weren't prepared to

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Speaker 4: make to get us as a country on a better track.

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Speaker 4: I've got huge admiration for him. I've got hom in

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Speaker 4: the privileged position that I get to work with him day.

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Speaker 4: He is an outstanding man. When people meet him, they're

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 4: left with that impression. But you know, here's your problem,

1458
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Speaker 4: March trade through the media.

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Speaker 3: Here's your problem. Just no, no, no, here's your problem.

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Speaker 3: That line was used at the very start of his campaign,

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Speaker 3: which was we haven't met him. We don't know him.

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Speaker 3: When you meet him, you like him. I think he's

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Speaker 3: met everybody, because you can't fault him for not working hard.

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Speaker 3: But at fifty one percent, the media is entitled after

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Speaker 3: a poll to goo the majority because it is don't

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Speaker 3: think he's in touch and that politically, rightly or wrongly,

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Speaker 3: is a problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Well, at the end of the day, people are going

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Speaker 4: to form their own views. I mean that is politics.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is this is that even though he

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Speaker 4: is busy and is around the country, he's been with

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Speaker 4: me in toneed recently, he's still only meeting a very

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 4: small percentage of kiwis because it's just physically impossible to

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Speaker 4: get him in front of everyone. But I would say

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Speaker 4: if you went round and spoke to people that he's

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest challenges with Chris is getting him

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Speaker 4: away from people because he's actually interested. He wants to

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 4: listen to them. Trying to get him to a next

1479
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 4: event or move on something's virtually impossible because he's actually

1480
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Speaker 4: genuinely interested in care because he wants to know their

1481
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: back stories. He wants to know how they're being impacted.

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Speaker 4: You know. For the example, in Dunedin the other day,

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Speaker 4: we're walked through the airport. He stopped for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 4: He was talking to a young couple about the education

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Speaker 4: and they had two children and what we're doing to

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Speaker 4: make the changes. You've got to remember that that we've

1487
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Speaker 4: inherited a situation where education is a mess or public

1488
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 4: safety is a mess. You know, the economy is a mess.

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Speaker 3: Which at this up, let me put this to you

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Speaker 3: as part of what Mark's saying. Correct, Peter said it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: When you've had a honeymoon of one second and you

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Speaker 3: get an economy the way they have, that's why people

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Speaker 3: don't necessarily like him, because he's not delivering. There's something

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Speaker 3: in that, isn't there.

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Speaker 23: Every other perm I have seen, and I can record,

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Speaker 23: had some kind of a honeymoon period, had some kind

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Speaker 23: of a time where they were up high in the polls,

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Speaker 23: and he never got that. And I think it speaks

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Speaker 23: to something about either the way he appeals to New Zealanders,

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Speaker 23: the way he comes across.

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Speaker 32: But people don't warm to him.

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Speaker 23: He seems like he's out of touch, and that's coming

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Speaker 23: through a fifty one percent say that in the polls.

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Speaker 23: So it doesn't matter how many people he talks to

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Speaker 23: or how much.

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 32: He says about there was a mess before.

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Speaker 23: If he really believes in personal responsibility, then he needs

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Speaker 23: to start owning up and taking responsibility for his own governments.

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 23: To say what you got and we still let me finish.

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Speaker 32: You had a big gout. He's still not let me finish.

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Speaker 4: My hospital pass from.

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Speaker 3: Leave me finished.

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Speaker 23: Mark, that's not fear. You had a big go He's

1514
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 23: still not taking responsibility and trying to pass the buck

1515
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Speaker 23: and blame the last government. Can we see through that

1516
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Speaker 23: and they think that he's not a real deal.

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Speaker 3: Got to monter you guys appreciate a good discussion. Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 3: The criticism of Chris Luxen is gutter politics. Well, see

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 3: it's a funny thing. You should say that. The gutter

1541
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 3: politics then comes from us because this is a poll

1542
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 3: and the poll is made up of New Zealanders. Also,

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: when he talks about his past, it's about how he

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: managed to successfully organization's threads. I get all of that.

1545
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 3: And this is the weird thing. This is the Dichotomas situation.

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: This is not a guy won lotto. It's not a

1547
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 3: guy who inherited hundreds of millions from family members. The

1548
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: guy got out into the world, essentially worked fairly hard,

1549
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 3: was quite good at the various jobs he did, collected

1550
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 3: a bit of money, bought a few houses, and good

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 3: on them. He's not even that rich. I mean, let

1552
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 3: me just say that he's not even that wealthy. He's

1553
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 3: not mega wealthy. Key was worth tens of millions, is

1554
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 3: worth tens of millions of dollars. I doubt Lux's worth

1555
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 3: anyway close to that, because you've got a couple of houses.

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: We all go apple. But the point about the gutter

1557
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: politics is, it's our gutter politics. Where the ones indulging

1558
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 3: in this, Where the one who are answering the poll.

1559
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 3: Where the one who made up the fifty one percent.

1560
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 3: Hence the conversation, let's go to Australia and Steve Price.

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 19: Shortly demanding the answers from the decision makers.

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Speaker 2: The mic asking breakfast with a Vida, retirement, communities, Life

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Speaker 2: your Way news, togs head be.

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Speaker 3: I got more stuff than I've got time for this morning,

1565
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 3: but I will get to the the commentary on the

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 3: American race that seems to suggest Trump may may now

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 3: have pulled ahead, and that's coming from the Democrats. Then

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 3: we get to the Gore Land grab, and this once

1569
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 3: again goes back to this business of sights of significance

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01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: to Mary. There is also a couple of sources have

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: confirmed to us that Tory has as in Wellington should

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Speaker 3: be walking. I'm assuming to a meeting this afternoon at

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Speaker 3: two thirty. It's an emergency meeting and so she's called

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 3: the whole council together. So it may well be that

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 3: the Government are close to pulling the trigger. So it'll

1576
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: be interesting to watch that one twenty three minutes away from.

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Speaker 19: Nine International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of

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01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 19: mind for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Business strives three. Good morning to you, good a there.

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Speaker 3: It's ironic that we're having the same debate here. Our

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: prime minister, successful businessman in another life, had a couple

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 3: of rentals. He sold one recently, he's got another one

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01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 3: on the market. When I say rentals, they're under a

1584
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 3: million dollars a piece, their small rentable sort of properties.

1585
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 3: So he's had property issues. And then Elbow comes out

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 3: yesterday with four point three cliff top perfection in New

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 3: South Wales and or Hell's Broken loose.

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Speaker 30: Well, it's the most tone deaf thing that I think

1589
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 30: I've ever experienced a Prime minister doing. I mean, you

1590
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 30: could argue that Scott Morrison going to Hawaii on a

1591
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 30: holiday in the middle of a bush fire that was

1592
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 30: burning down half a New South Wales was dumb Julia

1593
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 30: Gillard letting people take photographs of her in their kitchen

1594
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 30: where there was not one toaster knife clearly met no

1595
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 30: meal had ever been prepared. There was pretty silly. But

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 30: to do this in the middle of a housing crisis

1597
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 30: is extraordinary. When I first saw it Bob oup on

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 30: my feed yesterday, I said that surely can't be true.

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Speaker 30: Now you can understand. Laxon ran an airline. Anthony Albaneze

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 30: he's a professional politician. He's never had a job outside

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,799
Speaker 30: working in politics. He worked for the trade union movement

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01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 30: in New South Wales straight out of university and he's

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01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 30: been in the Federal Parliament now forever, which means, of

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01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 30: course when he does retire, if say he was to

1605
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 30: lose the next election, he's on a lifetime pension of millions.

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01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 30: But to go and do that when we're in the middle.

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Speaker 26: Of a debate.

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Speaker 30: There was a survey at yesterday Mike that said eighty

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 30: five percent of Australians don't believe their children will be

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01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 30: able to afford to buy their own home unless their

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Speaker 30: parents contribute, and we see this madness of buying what

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 30: looks like an okay joint but at four and a

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Speaker 30: half million. The only good thing about it is Albanizey

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 30: got a bargain because apparently the place was sold three

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 30: years ago for four point eight. Now he bought it

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01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 30: for four point five. But I'm just it's breathtaking how

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 30: dumb that was.

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01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 3: And he also sold the other day, relatively recently, a rental.

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01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 3: Did that get headlines?

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Speaker 30: Well, yeah, because it didn't sell. He pulled it off

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 30: the market because it was going to go to auction

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01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 30: and they'd only had I think one or two people

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01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 30: who were vaguely interested in it, so he took it

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,919
Speaker 30: off the market. So he lives in the lodge in Canberra.

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 30: He lives in Kiribilli House on Sydney Harbor because he's PM.

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 30: He's got that rental that he can't sell, and he

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 30: owns his own house and seat in Marrickville. Now people

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01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 30: are going, well, hang on this, Folke's never earned a

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 30: lot of money. I mean the most he's ever earned

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01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 30: is right now as Prime Minister, which is around I

1631
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 30: think about five or six hundred thousand plus perks. But

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 30: it's from a political point of view. Peter Dutton must

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 30: have thought all of his Christmases came at once?

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01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: Yes, does it? Has it changed on desperately? It's my

1635
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 3: alzheimer's kicking in the Who was Hawk's treasurer? Who collected clocks?

1636
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 30: And who was Paul Keating?

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01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: But KEATINGE Keating was wealthy? Was that an issue back

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01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 3: in those days? And I mean at the end of

1639
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 3: the day Hawk ended up not unwealthy.

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Speaker 30: No, Well, Paul Keating famously owned a piggery and didn't

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 30: tell anyone, and that got him into some strife. If

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01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 30: you delve into how Paul Kety made money, it's a

1643
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 30: long conversation which I might get myself in trouble over,

1644
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 30: so I won't do it. Bob Hawk made I remember

1645
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 30: famously Bob Hawk when he was when he lost the

1646
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 30: Prime ministership. He came to me. I was running a

1647
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 30: radio network. He wanted to come on and give us

1648
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 30: horse racing tips, which would have taken five minutes on

1649
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 30: a Friday. And I said, well that sounds okay. How

1650
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 30: much I have to pay you? He said, I want

1651
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 30: a seven series BMW for me and one for my wife.

1652
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 3: And I said no, thanks, the stories we could all tell.

1653
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 3: If have you ever written a book? No, you have

1654
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: attempted to write a book about the stories you could tell,

1655
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: just like that, one of the things you've dealt with

1656
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: in radio over the forty fifty years or whatever it

1657
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 3: is you've been doing it.

1658
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 30: If I write it, I'd have to have it published

1659
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 30: after I'm dead, because he's sued by too many people.

1660
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 3: Exactly speaking of death sadly, George Nigas, did you know him?

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01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 25: Yeah?

1662
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 30: I did work with him in latter days. He ended

1663
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 30: up doing a half hour show on Channel ten which

1664
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 30: preceded the project when the project was only half an

1665
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 30: hour long, and he was a regular on the desk

1666
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 30: on that TV show, so I got to know him then,

1667
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 30: also bumped into him over the years on the road.

1668
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 30: He was famous for his mistache, his shirt unbuttoned to

1669
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 30: his naghbl with his hair chest poking out and the

1670
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 30: medallion around his neck. And I guess the most famous

1671
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,839
Speaker 30: vision that probably I'm not sure. If he showed an

1672
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 30: overnight in New Zealand, he quizzed Margaret Thatcher on the

1673
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 30: views of the British public and she looked at him

1674
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 30: straight in the eye and said, I need you to

1675
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 30: tell me who and where and when that person said

1676
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 30: that to you, And even George couldn't answer that question.

1677
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 30: So sad he had dementia. He was in his eighties,

1678
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 30: but he was one of the greats and that show

1679
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 30: sixty Minutes in the nineteen eighties was absolutely huge with

1680
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 30: Ian Leslie, of course, Yanna Bent and George Vegas just

1681
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 30: amazing stuff along with Raymond.

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 3: Exactly what sort of fis Premiers aside is their building

1683
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 3: towards the King and the Queen.

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01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 30: Not a lot because the visit's so short and he's

1685
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 30: only going King Charles is only going to Sydney and Canberra.

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 30: It's not a normal too. He wanted to do that.

1687
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 30: His health is no good. Doctors said no. But he

1688
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 30: arrives Friday night, I think as a todd to the

1689
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 30: other day. He's then got a rest day on Saturday.

1690
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 30: Now Saturday happens to be the Everest Race meeting at

1691
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 30: Royal Randwick in Sydney, and there is actually a race

1692
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 30: on that card called the Chin King Charles the Third Stakes.

1693
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,839
Speaker 30: Now there is some suggestion, and they've done the security

1694
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 30: already apparently that he might bob into Randwick for an

1695
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 30: hour or so to grace with his presence when that

1696
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 30: race is being run. Melbourne wanted him to come to

1697
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 30: Melbourne for the Melbourne Cup Carnival. He's not going to

1698
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 30: do that. Clear he's not even coming to Melbourne. There

1699
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 30: will be a fair bit of interest when he gets here.

1700
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 30: I think there's a public appearance on the steps of

1701
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 30: the Opera House on Sunday. I imagine there'll be a

1702
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 30: reasonable crowd at that.

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01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: Good stuff might go well, catch up next week. Appreciate

1704
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 3: it very much, Chirsty Price out of Australia, Mike, Why

1705
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 3: are giving this crap so much here time? Well, because

1706
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 3: it's Poland's a talking point and people seem to be engaged.

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: Look at j Sender's gravy train right now, should I say,

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01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: Dame just send it?

1709
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: Well?

1710
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: The point about this, and I don't want to be

1711
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 3: seen to be defending her, but she's not the Prime Minister,

1712
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 3: and I think that's what it comes down to, for

1713
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: reasons best known to ourselves, or at least fifty one percent,

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Speaker 3: what you do after, I mean, you can mount a

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Speaker 3: pretty solid argument that having done to this country what

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Speaker 3: she did to this country, to then one leave the

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Speaker 3: country and to go and make a reasonably large amount

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Speaker 3: of money from it is pretty unscrupulous. But then she's

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Speaker 3: not accountable anymore, is she?

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Speaker 10: She worried that we're going to send her.

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Speaker 3: A bell siestly and so saving up. Once you're a

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Speaker 3: private citizen, you can do what you like. Sixteen to

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Speaker 3: two The.

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Speaker 2: Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 3: Those of you who've been concerned about our coverage this

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Speaker 3: morning on the Carpity Coast Our, sincere, apologies, we cocked

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Speaker 3: something up. The boss started to explain it to me

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Speaker 3: earlier on, but I lost interest after about you'll never

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Speaker 3: guess what happened. Anyway, We seem to affix that now

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Speaker 3: and so things are back to normal since here. Apologies

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Speaker 3: for any sort of interference in the program this morning.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what's been a brilliant show. If you

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Speaker 3: missed any of it, I mean you have to go

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Speaker 3: to the website. So the website working, I think websites work.

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Speaker 3: Can go a website and you find it there. Now

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Speaker 3: two bits of reading on the American race. Reading Number

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Speaker 3: one comes from the New York Times, and this is

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Speaker 3: where the Democrats are deeply concerned about what's going on.

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Speaker 3: They go back to Hillary Clinton. She did not lose

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Speaker 3: because she was a woman. She lost because she was

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Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton. She didn't campaign hard enough, she skipped Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: barely visited Michigan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They

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Speaker 3: talk with James Carvill. James Carvill's famous in Democratic circles

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Speaker 3: as being an operator. He was with Clinton, not just Hillary,

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Speaker 3: but Bill as well. He's the guy who said it's

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Speaker 3: the economy stupid. And they asked him about this problem

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Speaker 3: with the gender, because the pollings come out lately Latino

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Speaker 3: men and black men don't like her, and they're going,

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Speaker 3: what do we do about that? And he goes, well,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to change her gender or her ethnic

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Speaker 3: background between now on election day, so let's not worry

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Speaker 3: about it, which is about the most common sense bit

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Speaker 3: of advice I've seen in a very long time. She

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Speaker 3: last week is I'm sure you're aware of your following.

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Speaker 3: The campaign spent a lot of time on sixty Minutes

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Speaker 3: on the View on Stephen Colbert's show, on Howard Stern's show.

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Speaker 3: Didn't move the needle. The polling show did not move

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Speaker 3: the needle. They are now starting to panic and they

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Speaker 3: need her to be more aggressive to ask, as James

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Speaker 3: Carvill says, ask more questions, start scaring the crap out

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Speaker 3: of voters, start going at Trump, and that's why Trump's winning.

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Speaker 3: He's scaring the crap out of voters from his point

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Speaker 3: of view, which brings me to the second part. So

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Speaker 3: that's the New York Times more endowed, not being Trump

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Speaker 3: won't win Harris the election. Second one is from a

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Speaker 3: guy called Nate Cohne, who does quite a bit of

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Speaker 3: writing for the Sydney Morning Herald and writes very well.

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Speaker 3: He also out of America. But the New York Times

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Speaker 3: polling average. He's written a piece on how tight it is,

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Speaker 3: and they tried to work out when was the last

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Speaker 3: time it was this tight. They went back to two

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Speaker 3: thousand and four. All the battleground states are within a

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Speaker 3: point of each other. Back to two thousand and four.

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Speaker 3: Bush v. Kerry was sort of that type, but not quite.

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Speaker 3: In the past week, the average movement has been so

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Speaker 3: tiny it's you need a microscope to see it. The

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Speaker 3: pole that's moved the most is the Quinnipiac pole, and

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Speaker 3: that's moved towards Trump by three points in a place

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Speaker 3: like Michigan, two points in a place like Wisconsin. NBC

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Speaker 3: found the race tied down from a five point This

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Speaker 3: is where the Democrats are panicking again. Down from a

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Speaker 3: five point lead for Harris to nothing. An ABC poll

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Speaker 3: from a two point lead to Harris down to nothing.

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Speaker 3: So the whole thing is too tight, so tight, and

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Speaker 3: if you look at the national averages. One of the

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Speaker 3: criticism will get a lot of feedback on this. One

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Speaker 3: of the criticisms is that there's a lot of Republican

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Speaker 3: feed polling. In this article, they took out all the

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Speaker 3: polls that you could remotely argue lean republican. And here's

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Speaker 3: what they came up with. National Harris on average plus

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Speaker 3: three without publican Republican polling plus three. Nothing changes. Arizona,

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Speaker 3: nothing changes, Georgia, nothing changes Michigan. Harris goes from one

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Speaker 3: under to one over Wisconsin. She goes from one under

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Speaker 3: one over North Carolina, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 26: No change.

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter what the polls are, who did them,

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Speaker 3: they all remain the same. It is the tightest race

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Speaker 3: anyone can remember ever. Nine away from nine.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range robe Villa News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Had been twenty sixteen had Trump losing to Clinton by

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Speaker 3: a sexy smasher. Though Ben you correct, they underperformed in sixteen,

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Speaker 3: they also underperformed featured this on the program yesterday. They

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Speaker 3: underperformed in sixteen, they underperformed in twenty but they underperformed

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Speaker 3: for the Republicans in twenty twenty two in the mid

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Speaker 3: timb So whether you can trust the Poles is the

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Speaker 3: other part of the question, their point being. Nate cones

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Speaker 3: Piece eventually concludes that if anything's changed with all of

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Speaker 3: the polling and all of the tightness, it may well

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Speaker 3: have moved quote unquote ever so slightly in Donald Trump's direction.

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Speaker 3: But well worth looking that up as well, and having

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Speaker 3: read five minutes wife from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now with MS great savings every day.

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Speaker 3: Now, Apple have gone and launched themselves a new iPad

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Speaker 3: this morning. It's the iPad Mini, and you didn't even

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Speaker 3: know you needed one of these. It's the seventh generation

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Speaker 3: of basically a small Apple tablet. That's why they've gone

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Speaker 3: and called it the Mini, but good colors.

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Speaker 33: The new tablet comes in a few new colors. The

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Speaker 33: last gen model came in space gray, pink, purple, and starlight.

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Speaker 33: The new one still comes in space gray, but now

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Speaker 33: comes in a very light blue a later than before. Purple,

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Speaker 33: and again starlight. I think impartial to the blue, but

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Speaker 33: I wouln't even more vibrant blue like with the old

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Speaker 33: iPad Air. The processor has been upgraded to the A

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Speaker 33: seventeen Pro, up from the A fifteen. That's a big

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Speaker 33: step up in my opinion, because now is it going

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Speaker 33: from an E fifteen to an E seventeen series, but

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Speaker 33: you're also going from a non pro to E pro chip.

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Speaker 33: The big thing though, is Apple Intelligence. This is a

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Speaker 33: raving in. I've had OS eighteen point one at the end.

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Speaker 1: Of this month.

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Speaker 3: What I'm partial to is a person who does tech

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Speaker 3: reviews without a shocking voice. Anyway, This Apple Intelligence that's

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Speaker 3: due out in the US anytime now, with language support

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Speaker 3: for US in December. What's starlight?

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Speaker 14: It's kind of like it's not silver, it's not gold,

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Speaker 14: it's just slah.

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Speaker 27: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A lot of cars around at the note at the moment,

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Speaker 3: you know it's the gray. They've gone for what I

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Speaker 3: would once upon a time called battleship gray. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: sort of real flat.

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Speaker 14: What's that about.

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Speaker 3: That's the question I was about to raise. I like it,

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Speaker 3: but I think it's a fad. I wouldn't go and

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Speaker 3: buy a car in that color, thinking.

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Speaker 14: It's like a couple of years ago where they started

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Speaker 14: bringing out brown cars again, what's.

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Speaker 3: A big mistakes? Mistake? So where was I with the

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Speaker 3: Apple Mini? I think that's about all I had to say.

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Speaker 3: You can pre order it. Imagine if your life was

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Speaker 3: like that. What am I going to do today? I'm

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Speaker 3: going to pre order something as though there will.

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Speaker 10: Be there'll be Mini fans out there.

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Speaker 3: As though who are going to run out well once

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Speaker 3: they hear that there now comes in light blue nine

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Speaker 3: four nine, nine hundred and forty nine dollars cheaper than

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Speaker 3: a house, but you've still got to be relatively wealthy.

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Speaker 3: I suspective. Back tomorrow morning, as always, Happy Days.

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