1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZB. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,347 Speaker 2: Day two of the America's Cup Challenger series between Innios 4 00:00:16,387 --> 00:00:19,707 Speaker 2: Britannia and Lunar Rossa has been eventually timed out. 5 00:00:20,227 --> 00:00:22,867 Speaker 3: This is the race committee. We have reached the time 6 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:27,467 Speaker 3: limit and this race is stopped. Well, I guess who's 7 00:00:27,507 --> 00:00:28,467 Speaker 3: happy about that night. 8 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:31,307 Speaker 4: That's the Lunar Rossa fans, and they have fair reason 9 00:00:31,347 --> 00:00:34,907 Speaker 4: to feel happy about that, because, let's be honest, the 10 00:00:34,987 --> 00:00:37,827 Speaker 4: way that any Odds Britanny we're racing in those light 11 00:00:37,867 --> 00:00:41,307 Speaker 4: air conditions was just beautiful to watch. They were so 12 00:00:41,627 --> 00:00:44,267 Speaker 4: in control until that moment. 13 00:00:44,227 --> 00:00:46,547 Speaker 2: So neither boat could finish the opening race after coming 14 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:49,467 Speaker 2: off their foils. The start was already delayed a couple 15 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:52,427 Speaker 2: of hours because of light winds. Racing was called off 16 00:00:52,427 --> 00:00:55,707 Speaker 2: for the day and we'll resume again tomorrow. Races three 17 00:00:55,787 --> 00:00:58,467 Speaker 2: and four in the series to be run in what 18 00:00:58,587 --> 00:01:02,107 Speaker 2: is forecast to be a much more reliable breeze Elite 19 00:01:02,107 --> 00:01:06,267 Speaker 2: Sailor match. Racer and America's Cup analyst Chris Steele is 20 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:08,707 Speaker 2: with us. Chris tell us the story of the day 21 00:01:08,867 --> 00:01:11,747 Speaker 2: and the racing that you did see, albeit cut short 22 00:01:11,787 --> 00:01:13,347 Speaker 2: by a lack of breeze near the end. 23 00:01:16,107 --> 00:01:19,867 Speaker 5: Oh mate, it was a super interesting day. Obviously, the 24 00:01:20,787 --> 00:01:24,947 Speaker 5: delay with the wind like conditions. Most of the forecasting 25 00:01:25,027 --> 00:01:27,867 Speaker 5: sort of models that we were looking at actually had 26 00:01:27,867 --> 00:01:30,627 Speaker 5: the breeze of building in the afternoon, it never really 27 00:01:30,667 --> 00:01:32,507 Speaker 5: sort of came in, so it was looking like for 28 00:01:32,547 --> 00:01:35,787 Speaker 5: a while they might not actually race, but obviously it 29 00:01:35,827 --> 00:01:37,827 Speaker 5: all happens pretty quickly and they're up on the foils 30 00:01:37,827 --> 00:01:40,947 Speaker 5: and into a prestart, and although they actually didn't finish 31 00:01:40,947 --> 00:01:43,787 Speaker 5: the race, it was super interesting to see the two boats. 32 00:01:44,587 --> 00:01:46,947 Speaker 5: You know, for me personally what I've seen, I thought 33 00:01:47,027 --> 00:01:50,187 Speaker 5: Londa Ross was going to be extremely strong in those conditions. 34 00:01:50,707 --> 00:01:52,747 Speaker 3: And sort of sweep the floor with any use, but 35 00:01:53,787 --> 00:01:54,107 Speaker 3: it was. 36 00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:58,107 Speaker 5: It was kind of a story that kind of went 37 00:01:58,107 --> 00:01:59,587 Speaker 5: back and forward in the race. 38 00:01:59,667 --> 00:02:01,507 Speaker 3: The Brits got. 39 00:02:01,427 --> 00:02:03,547 Speaker 5: In front early and then the Italians were managed to 40 00:02:03,547 --> 00:02:05,427 Speaker 5: get past them on the first run, and I thought 41 00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:07,067 Speaker 5: that was kind of gone be the end of it. 42 00:02:08,187 --> 00:02:10,147 Speaker 5: But yeah, then the Bridge took the lead back and 43 00:02:11,267 --> 00:02:13,827 Speaker 5: then the breeze started to drop, and I was super 44 00:02:13,907 --> 00:02:17,467 Speaker 5: impressed with with Anios's pace and those conditions. I thought 45 00:02:17,507 --> 00:02:19,747 Speaker 5: that was probably going to be the one area where 46 00:02:19,787 --> 00:02:20,267 Speaker 5: they might. 47 00:02:20,107 --> 00:02:21,427 Speaker 3: Be lacking in performance. 48 00:02:22,427 --> 00:02:24,627 Speaker 5: It sort of seemed like when it was for seven 49 00:02:24,707 --> 00:02:27,187 Speaker 5: or eight knights, they definitely had a speed edge. 50 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:29,707 Speaker 3: But as soon as it dropped just below that. 51 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:31,547 Speaker 5: Sort of that six night area where the boat's trying 52 00:02:31,547 --> 00:02:34,587 Speaker 5: to stay on the foils, that the Italians were definitely 53 00:02:34,627 --> 00:02:37,427 Speaker 5: looking a little bit cleaner and faster. So yeah, unfortunately, 54 00:02:37,427 --> 00:02:39,987 Speaker 5: in the end the breeze dropped out all together and 55 00:02:40,707 --> 00:02:42,547 Speaker 5: both boats came off the foils and they weren't actually 56 00:02:42,547 --> 00:02:46,307 Speaker 5: able to finish. But in terms of you know, watching 57 00:02:46,307 --> 00:02:50,187 Speaker 5: an exciting race lead changes, you know, leads sort of 58 00:02:51,467 --> 00:02:53,507 Speaker 5: gamping out and then disappearing really quickly, I thought it 59 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:54,667 Speaker 5: was a pretty good spectacle. 60 00:02:54,987 --> 00:02:57,427 Speaker 2: So how disappointed would those on board and the asked 61 00:02:57,467 --> 00:02:59,787 Speaker 2: par tenure have been because what they were ahead, weren't 62 00:02:59,787 --> 00:03:02,307 Speaker 2: they They had what gone around the fifth mark, as 63 00:03:02,347 --> 00:03:04,267 Speaker 2: I understand it, but just couldn't get up on the 64 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:07,667 Speaker 2: foils in time to get inside the forty five minutes. 65 00:03:08,747 --> 00:03:11,867 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Brits will definitely probably feel a 66 00:03:11,907 --> 00:03:15,467 Speaker 5: little bit more upset with the result because they had 67 00:03:15,507 --> 00:03:17,587 Speaker 5: a pretty good lead going up the last up one 68 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:21,427 Speaker 5: Leagan and you know, to try and sort of put 69 00:03:21,427 --> 00:03:23,427 Speaker 5: it into simple contexts. Once these boats are up on 70 00:03:23,467 --> 00:03:27,307 Speaker 5: the foils, you know, you can stay up on the 71 00:03:27,307 --> 00:03:30,507 Speaker 5: foil once you're up and sort of you know, lower 72 00:03:30,587 --> 00:03:31,947 Speaker 5: end conditions. 73 00:03:31,467 --> 00:03:33,547 Speaker 3: But once you come off, you know you can't get 74 00:03:33,587 --> 00:03:33,987 Speaker 3: back up. 75 00:03:34,107 --> 00:03:36,627 Speaker 5: So basically they're in a position where it was a 76 00:03:36,707 --> 00:03:38,867 Speaker 5: lightning breeze and if they had managed to stay on 77 00:03:38,907 --> 00:03:40,507 Speaker 5: the foil, they would have been able to finish. 78 00:03:40,227 --> 00:03:42,267 Speaker 3: That race and plenty of time, no worries. 79 00:03:42,307 --> 00:03:44,747 Speaker 5: But they had a bit of a slip up and 80 00:03:45,107 --> 00:03:47,027 Speaker 5: one of the attacks on the last up on Leagan 81 00:03:47,667 --> 00:03:50,907 Speaker 5: and came off the foil, and you know, at that 82 00:03:51,027 --> 00:03:53,267 Speaker 5: point that was kind of the race because it was 83 00:03:53,587 --> 00:03:55,947 Speaker 5: pretty clear that once they came off, there wasn't gonna 84 00:03:55,947 --> 00:03:57,827 Speaker 5: be enough breeds to get them back up, and given 85 00:03:58,067 --> 00:04:00,107 Speaker 5: the length of the course, even though they only had 86 00:04:00,147 --> 00:04:01,707 Speaker 5: one more sort of lead to go to the finish, 87 00:04:02,227 --> 00:04:02,707 Speaker 5: there's just. 88 00:04:02,627 --> 00:04:03,827 Speaker 3: Not going to be any way that they were going 89 00:04:03,907 --> 00:04:05,387 Speaker 3: to be able to do it when they were in. 90 00:04:05,347 --> 00:04:08,867 Speaker 5: Splacement boat, So they'll be feeling pretty sort of upset. 91 00:04:08,907 --> 00:04:10,827 Speaker 5: But on the flip side, you know, Luna Rossa was 92 00:04:10,907 --> 00:04:13,507 Speaker 5: leading that race at one point as well and made 93 00:04:13,507 --> 00:04:15,827 Speaker 5: a couple of mistakes on the down and it was 94 00:04:15,827 --> 00:04:19,627 Speaker 5: a super dynamic day. Breeze was shifting around, you know, 95 00:04:19,947 --> 00:04:22,547 Speaker 5: the pressure was sort of up and down in different areas. 96 00:04:22,547 --> 00:04:25,147 Speaker 5: So I think both teams will feel like they missed 97 00:04:25,187 --> 00:04:26,347 Speaker 5: out on opportunities. 98 00:04:26,347 --> 00:04:28,187 Speaker 3: But you know, at the end of the day, no 99 00:04:28,267 --> 00:04:30,907 Speaker 3: points lost on either side. 100 00:04:30,627 --> 00:04:33,867 Speaker 5: So they'll probably both be relieved in that regard, and 101 00:04:34,547 --> 00:04:36,387 Speaker 5: you know, the story doesn't change for either of them. 102 00:04:36,387 --> 00:04:38,707 Speaker 5: They still going to get to seven points. So back 103 00:04:38,747 --> 00:04:40,507 Speaker 5: to square one and go again tomorrow. 104 00:04:40,907 --> 00:04:44,627 Speaker 2: Who feels favored to you, Chris and stronger breezes. 105 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:50,947 Speaker 5: Honestly, like, looking at the racing over the last few days, 106 00:04:50,947 --> 00:04:54,547 Speaker 5: I think the boats are extremely closely matched in terms 107 00:04:54,547 --> 00:04:57,587 Speaker 5: of performance. I think if you had to put your 108 00:04:57,587 --> 00:05:00,427 Speaker 5: finger on one boat having any sort of advantage anywhere, 109 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:04,867 Speaker 5: I think the Brits a slightly quicker downwind, and you 110 00:05:04,907 --> 00:05:06,627 Speaker 5: know that's kind of a trend that's continued it on 111 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:10,227 Speaker 5: from the preliminary together. But in terms of the up 112 00:05:10,307 --> 00:05:13,147 Speaker 5: and performance, looking at some of the data, like there 113 00:05:13,187 --> 00:05:15,827 Speaker 5: really isn't much in it at all, So it really 114 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:18,027 Speaker 5: is just going to come down I think, to who 115 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:20,427 Speaker 5: gets off the start line in front and who makes 116 00:05:20,427 --> 00:05:23,987 Speaker 5: this mistakes around the racetrack. We've sort of seen already 117 00:05:23,987 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 5: that with this type of racing in these boats, it 118 00:05:26,307 --> 00:05:29,027 Speaker 5: is extremely hard to make passes around on the racetrack, 119 00:05:29,107 --> 00:05:32,027 Speaker 5: so you know, if you can get control at the 120 00:05:32,067 --> 00:05:34,667 Speaker 5: start and get your upper hand, it's kind of your 121 00:05:34,747 --> 00:05:37,907 Speaker 5: race to lose from there. So yeah, if I had 122 00:05:37,907 --> 00:05:40,547 Speaker 5: to pick anyone, I've always sort of set up until 123 00:05:40,547 --> 00:05:42,627 Speaker 5: this point, I thought Leona Rossa was probably the favorite. 124 00:05:42,667 --> 00:05:45,627 Speaker 5: But the Brits have made some massive strides forward in 125 00:05:45,627 --> 00:05:49,347 Speaker 5: the last sort of week or ten days, and you know, 126 00:05:49,427 --> 00:05:53,347 Speaker 5: on paper, I think, you know that they might have 127 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:56,907 Speaker 5: a slight edge performance wise, but we haven't seen you know, 128 00:05:56,947 --> 00:05:57,987 Speaker 5: a range of conditions yet. 129 00:05:57,987 --> 00:06:01,027 Speaker 3: We've kind of seen both both ends and upper limit 130 00:06:01,267 --> 00:06:03,427 Speaker 3: and lower limit, and you. 131 00:06:03,347 --> 00:06:04,987 Speaker 5: Know tomorrow the breeze is going to be up again, 132 00:06:05,067 --> 00:06:08,187 Speaker 5: so you know, on paper, with the trends, I think 133 00:06:08,347 --> 00:06:11,147 Speaker 5: the Brits should should probably feel pretty comfortable. But you know, 134 00:06:11,187 --> 00:06:13,427 Speaker 5: I definitely would wouldn't be writing lunar roster off either. 135 00:06:13,867 --> 00:06:17,227 Speaker 5: Starts are just going to be super important, and yeah, 136 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:18,427 Speaker 5: it's going to be a good to watch. 137 00:06:18,507 --> 00:06:21,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, still a very intriguing Challenger series, And as far 138 00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:24,187 Speaker 2: as Team New Zealand are concerned. Chris, what did we 139 00:06:24,347 --> 00:06:28,307 Speaker 2: learn about them during their participation in the Louis Vuitton. 140 00:06:30,907 --> 00:06:34,147 Speaker 5: Well, we learned that they're certainly still kind of picking 141 00:06:34,187 --> 00:06:36,467 Speaker 5: up where they left off and Auckland's doing, you know, 142 00:06:36,507 --> 00:06:39,867 Speaker 5: in the last cup date. They're definitely quick, and I 143 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:42,067 Speaker 5: think one of the interesting things, you know, to take 144 00:06:42,067 --> 00:06:44,587 Speaker 5: away from that preliminary regatta was they were sort of 145 00:06:44,667 --> 00:06:47,307 Speaker 5: using what we call like an asymmetric set up in 146 00:06:47,387 --> 00:06:50,307 Speaker 5: terms of the foils, so the foil on one side 147 00:06:50,347 --> 00:06:52,147 Speaker 5: of the boat was actually different to the other side, 148 00:06:52,347 --> 00:06:55,787 Speaker 5: and they were using I guess that regarded to test 149 00:06:55,827 --> 00:06:57,787 Speaker 5: the different setups and those different foils. 150 00:06:57,827 --> 00:07:01,147 Speaker 3: And so when it comes to the actual America's Cup. 151 00:07:00,947 --> 00:07:04,347 Speaker 5: They'll obviously put themselves, they'll choose one of those those 152 00:07:04,747 --> 00:07:07,667 Speaker 5: foils and they'll be the same on both sides. But yeah, 153 00:07:07,667 --> 00:07:09,867 Speaker 5: it's super interesting because they they were very much using 154 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:11,867 Speaker 5: the as a testing period and they were fast on 155 00:07:12,027 --> 00:07:17,187 Speaker 5: both both techs. So you know, certainly we haven't seen 156 00:07:17,227 --> 00:07:20,627 Speaker 5: them play all their cards, that's for sure, but you know, 157 00:07:20,867 --> 00:07:23,227 Speaker 5: from the outside looking and I think they'll be I'll 158 00:07:23,267 --> 00:07:25,187 Speaker 5: be pretty confident right now, look. 159 00:07:25,067 --> 00:07:27,747 Speaker 2: Forward to seeing what happens when they find their challenger. 160 00:07:27,787 --> 00:07:30,987 Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, appreciate your time. Chris Steel there leading match 161 00:07:31,027 --> 00:07:34,627 Speaker 2: racer Elite Sailor America's Cup analyst out of Barcelona, where 162 00:07:34,667 --> 00:07:38,827 Speaker 2: there were no points awarded on day two. They shared 163 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:41,387 Speaker 2: the races on day one, so it's one apiece in 164 00:07:41,427 --> 00:07:44,747 Speaker 2: the race to seven between any Os Britannia and Lunar Rossa. 165 00:07:45,827 --> 00:07:48,107 Speaker 2: As you heard during our chat with Chris and the 166 00:07:48,107 --> 00:07:50,827 Speaker 2: commentary who played earlier, the fact the race was called 167 00:07:50,827 --> 00:07:55,787 Speaker 2: off was of probably great relief to Lunar Rossa into 168 00:07:55,827 --> 00:07:58,747 Speaker 2: the slight annoyance of any Os Pretenna who were doing 169 00:07:58,787 --> 00:08:01,667 Speaker 2: well even in the light winds. So an intriguing series 170 00:08:01,707 --> 00:08:05,747 Speaker 2: will be resuming tonight when they'll have races three and four. 171 00:08:05,787 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 2: And as I said to Christ there, the forecasts for 172 00:08:08,347 --> 00:08:12,307 Speaker 2: much more favorable conditions are far more reliable breeze, so 173 00:08:12,347 --> 00:08:14,307 Speaker 2: we should get the two races away to see if 174 00:08:14,347 --> 00:08:17,227 Speaker 2: one of Britannia all in Rossa can can get a 175 00:08:17,307 --> 00:08:20,987 Speaker 2: jump on the other. Is the battle to be the 176 00:08:20,987 --> 00:08:24,787 Speaker 2: America's Cup challenger to Team New Zealand heats up for. 177 00:08:24,827 --> 00:08:27,987 Speaker 1: More from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live to 178 00:08:28,107 --> 00:08:31,347 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be weekends from midday, or follow the 179 00:08:31,387 --> 00:08:32,867 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio