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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. Jinny Anderson's Willis and Mark Mitchell both good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike, Good morning Ginny. Mike.

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Speaker 3: Can I the Oazette Government House yesterday for an amazing

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Speaker 3: investiture ceremony. We get to acknowledge an incredible key. We

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Speaker 3: was doing incredible things.

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Speaker 2: We are on your day. No, we know we didn't

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Speaker 2: get to the lawn yesterday, but we had.

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Speaker 3: But was there for a really good friend of ours,

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Speaker 3: our newest name, Dame Julie Chapman and her husband Kane.

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Speaker 3: They have twelve cats, two dogs, goats, a cow that

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Speaker 3: I referred to as Hamburger, and a sparrow she has

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Speaker 3: got and of course she's the founder of kids Can

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Speaker 3: and Pet Refuge. I won't go into the heartbreaking cases

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Speaker 3: that Pet Refuge have to deal with almost on a

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Speaker 3: daily basis, but a huge shout out to her and

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Speaker 3: all our other recipients.

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Speaker 1: Did you take all her animals to Government House or

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Speaker 1: was that not part of the invite?

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Speaker 3: No, it would have been female doo little turning up

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Speaker 3: to a government house good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm glad, I'm I'm glad you had a I

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Speaker 1: take it this was an Auckland as opposed to Wellington Post.

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Speaker 2: So this was Wellington a year.

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Speaker 1: I think that the two government houses. How many government

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Speaker 1: houses have you been to Ginny?

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Speaker 4: Just the main one in Wellington?

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Speaker 1: You haven't been to the Auckland one. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it has very nice but it's not as nice Mark.

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Speaker 1: Have you been to the Auckland one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I was at the Auckland one last week for a

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Speaker 3: new program that's been launched by Active to get to

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Speaker 3: young kids that don't have access to sport and Rick

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Speaker 3: and then I was there about a month before that

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Speaker 3: with Dame Cindi Kiro, who helped me get a Peace

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Speaker 3: and Harmony Agreement accord signed between our Jewish and Wism

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Speaker 3: leaders to say that we can agree to disagree, but

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Speaker 3: we're going to do that in a peaceful, intolerant way.

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Speaker 1: Would you say the Wellington one's better? I would say

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Speaker 1: the Wellington one's better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Wellington one is much bigger. It's a lot bigger

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Speaker 3: than the Auckland one. Beautiful, but you know they're both

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Speaker 3: beautifully kept in it and it does act. It does

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Speaker 3: add to that. You know, you feel like you're there

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Speaker 3: for a special occasion.

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Speaker 1: I was almost I almost bought a house next door

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Speaker 1: to Government House in Auckland, and my rationale for that

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Speaker 1: was it would never get built out, And I thought

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Speaker 1: I'd sort of regret that now because when it could

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Speaker 1: be high rises under the new unitary plan, couldn't it.

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Speaker 1: But going in Government House you'd have to think would

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Speaker 1: be there forever.

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Speaker 3: I think, well, yeah, I don't think we need to

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Speaker 3: keep both government houses. I mean they get used a lot,

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Speaker 3: and like I said, having those when you go to

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Speaker 3: an Vistas Ceramide like I did yesterday, a lot. Every

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Speaker 3: single one of those persons people receiving their award, they

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Speaker 3: don't ask for it, but it's nice for us as

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Speaker 3: a country to be able to have a formal way

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Speaker 3: of being able to recognize them in the work they've

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Speaker 1: Ginny, has anyone ever chained themselves to your office?

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Speaker 4: Chris Breshop took a media crew out front and I

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Speaker 4: chased him down the street and that made TV news.

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Speaker 4: That was quite exciting.

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Speaker 2: Did you look good? Did you look good when you ran? No?

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Speaker 4: He ran. I just kind of stood next to him

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Speaker 4: and do you want to be in a photo with me?

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Speaker 4: And he said no, only ran away and they got

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Speaker 4: turned into a meme on Twitter that was that was

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Speaker 4: quite quite good. I think it's still doing the rounds.

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Speaker 4: But he didn't change himself when he was doing a

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Speaker 3: In all fairness, there is probably a few people that

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Speaker 3: would run away from heaving a photo with your z

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Speaker 4: That's rather made. There's not very gentlemanly of you at all.

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Speaker 1: There's something that happens to you, guys in terms of

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Speaker 1: like the billboard, the billboard that was shot up over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. There's something sort of people go feral once

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Speaker 1: you become a public figure, you know, and you're publicly accountable,

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Speaker 1: don't they. I mean, you know, chaining yourself and gluing

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Speaker 4: And I think things are becoming more extreme, that something's changed,

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Speaker 4: you know. You do see these things happening, not just

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Speaker 4: real concern for democracy because it puts it risk that

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Speaker 4: ability to connect with politicians and talk to them. And

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Speaker 4: that's what we should be able to do.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 2: I just think that I've always stood by this.

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Speaker 3: If there's one lesson I've taken true life is at

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Speaker 3: the minute you stopped talking and communicating, then it's going

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Speaker 3: to end up one place, and that is violence. And

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Speaker 3: that's why it's so critically important that in our country

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Speaker 3: we're able to protect the rightful, the right to peaceful

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Speaker 3: protest and the freedom of speech because we just got

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Speaker 3: to keep talking.

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Speaker 1: Let me come back to that in just a couple

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Speaker 1: of months, because I've got a question about the bridge

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Speaker 1: for the police and you make But Shannon Helbert, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: do you agree with Shannon Helbert the Marray Party is

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Speaker 1: starting to create an exclusive bunch of Maury.

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Speaker 2: Is that true? Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: Well? I think it was in relation to wiki orterell Maori,

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Speaker 4: and I think it was in relation to the fact

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Speaker 4: they were only giving media interviews intereal Maori. And I

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Speaker 4: feel like Shannon's point that to Wicki orterial Maori should

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Speaker 4: be for everybody to court it all intereal Maori, no

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Speaker 4: matter how much Malori language you can say. So I

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Speaker 4: support in the sense that if you can speak a bit,

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Speaker 4: you can speak a lot. It should be for everyone

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Speaker 4: to speak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are you going to do about Tamaheri

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Speaker 1: and Ferris? Now, I mean, this whole thing's turned ferraal,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean I told you, I mean you're

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Speaker 1: never going to be able to deal with these clowns.

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Speaker 4: Well, I stand by what we've said in the past

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Speaker 4: that there is no place for comments like that, that

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Speaker 4: we do not agree with them at all. And it

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Speaker 4: just seems a bit more confused because you've had You've

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Speaker 4: had the leadership come out saying they can dem Tuckety's comments,

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Speaker 4: and now it seems to be a different position. But

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Speaker 4: our position hasn't changed. It's the fact that those comments

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Speaker 4: have no place in New Zealand. We don't agree with them.

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Speaker 4: We think that it's a place for everybody and you

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Speaker 4: should be able to campaign no matter what color your

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Speaker 1: Mark real quick on the bridge. The protest over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: we're being told the police called it. In other words,

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Speaker 1: but here's my simple question. Who calls that a bridge

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Speaker 1: gets closed or not? Who literally does that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know well that the NNGGA have the powers

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Speaker 3: to do that for what understand they didn't have the

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Speaker 3: been processed in time. My own personal view of this

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Speaker 2: There are plenty of places to go and have a

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Speaker 3: We are not going to interrupt members of the public

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Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge, and my view is dangerous. You could end

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Speaker 3: up with sittings. It's not a controllable situation. You're a

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Speaker 3: long way above the water. If someone goes over the edge,

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Speaker 3: they die. And so you know, I'm dead set against

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Speaker 3: having the Harbor Bridge closed at all. Just really quickly, Mike,

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Speaker 3: you just allow me. As Minnester for ethic communities, I

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Speaker 3: completely totally condemn what the comments coming out of to

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Speaker 3: on that messaging. But we live in one of the

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Speaker 3: strongest open democracies in the world, and anyone regardless of

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Speaker 3: when you arrived in New Zealand, what your faith is

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Speaker 3: be able to join and apply to join a political

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Speaker 2: A local election, or you know, a Mary Seats election.

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Speaker 3: And I just think that the messaging is awful and

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Speaker 3: Labor Party come out and condemned them, but ultimately they

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Speaker 3: should be saying we will not go into government, we

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Speaker 3: will not work with a party that holds yous like this.

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Speaker 1: See and that's your problem, isn't ginny? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: you try and distance yourself, but at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, you're gonna this is gonna be your headache

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Speaker 1: next year, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's there's still a lot to happen before that

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Speaker 4: point in time, but it's been pretty clear from us

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Speaker 4: that is something that will have to be addressed at

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Speaker 4: some point. But it does seem that they are a

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Speaker 4: little bit confused in terms of the messaging.

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Speaker 2: So you've so you've.

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Speaker 3: Clearly discounted them then as a future coalition partner.

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Speaker 4: Well, have you Mark, would you like to do that

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Speaker 4: as well?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely run a mile decisions. Will you discover them? You

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Speaker 2: discover them? I said, Mark, I'm sorry in this, in

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Speaker 2: this and this is and this is the problem.

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Speaker 3: This is the problem that you've got is it is

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Speaker 3: it number one? And National actually has got a history

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Speaker 3: of working very well with to party Mary. We did

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Speaker 3: a lot with them when Tarry Anaturia and Turo Flavel

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Speaker 2: And but you know you've now got.

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Speaker 3: A party Mary, Party that are coming out and attacking

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Speaker 3: oh well maybe we need to keep our options over.

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Speaker 2: We might still go into government with them.

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Speaker 4: Well, Similarly, National have got a significant problem with climate

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Speaker 4: change in the Paris Agreement with act A, National sathing

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Speaker 4: quite different things that have a huge impact on our

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Speaker 4: how National we're going to work with act when they

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Speaker 4: have completely opposing points of view on the problem.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, Jenny, Literally, the problem is that that

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Speaker 1: we know that. So I mean they've got those three together.

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Speaker 1: They there's some tensions periodically. That's a coalition, we understand it.

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Speaker 1: It's got a working model what we don't have is

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Speaker 1: a working model of the left. And the more weird

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Speaker 1: the Maori Party get, the more difficult it is for

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Speaker 1: people to see a working model of the left. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the problem for you, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think as we get closer to the election, there's

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Speaker 4: a very strong like clihood you'll see either New Zealand

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Speaker 4: First or or the Acted Party in a similar position.

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Speaker 4: Is we get closer, we know they kick off and

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Speaker 4: you could see a very similar situation.

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Speaker 3: With just real qu that's that's that's our democracy, and

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Speaker 3: parties will get to run on in campaign on what

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Speaker 3: their policies are. But the one thing I would say,

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Speaker 3: we've proven to be a very stable government where we

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Speaker 3: can agree to disagree, but we can advance. The country's interesting.

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Speaker 4: And we've got ers would strongly disagree with that. I

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Speaker 4: think New Zealanders would strongly disagree with the In fact,

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Speaker 4: you've got too small you talk about let me finish,

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Speaker 4: you've got two smaller parties.

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Speaker 2: You on't even condemn a party that's that they're taking

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Speaker 2: now if.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to finish, if I'd like to finish, please

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Speaker 4: just quick. You've got you've got two smaller parties with

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Speaker 4: Winston Peters and David seymore completely running rings around Christopher.

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Speaker 1: But that's a political perception and you're right. But here's

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Speaker 1: the here's the problem. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's a coalition that will hold for three years. It's

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Speaker 1: worked reasonably well together. You may not like their politics

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Speaker 1: and that's fine, you don't have to. But as a

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Speaker 1: grouping they've worked pretty well together. I mean, that's for

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Speaker 1: the voter to see, and we can see that. But

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Speaker 1: what we don't see is the possibility of the three

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Speaker 1: on the left doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, you've got the Greens that want to defund the police.

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Speaker 3: You've got the Greens that want to defund the police,

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Speaker 3: and you've got their other partner who they were, who

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Speaker 3: they won't rejected, say we won't go into goun saying

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Speaker 3: that attacking ethnic communities. How is that good for the country.

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Speaker 4: We've been very clear, Mark and I have been clear

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Speaker 4: that that is not acceptable, and we've said strongly that

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Speaker 4: there is you're going to government with them not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: But you're going to government with them, so you aren't

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Speaker 2: going to.

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Speaker 4: Go you're making a joke yourself. To be honest, you know,

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Speaker 4: that I don't make this. I really want to yourself

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Speaker 4: again and again.

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Speaker 3: If the ethnic communities do not think this is a joke,

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Speaker 3: they take it very seriously. And at the moment they've

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Speaker 3: got a Labor party who's very keen to out there

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Speaker 3: and condemned the comments, but won't say that they won't

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Speaker 3: go to government's.

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Speaker 4: Good here that you feel that only about that mark.

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Speaker 4: But let me be very clear. We will lay out

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Speaker 4: exactly who we can and who we can't work quit

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Speaker 4: with ahead of election next year, and that.

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Speaker 1: Will not be doing this and that is what it

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Speaker 1: will make it so interesting. Got to go, you guys

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Mike Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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