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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Island Routes, awkand Ways.
Speaker 1: Please welcome comedian writer all around legend could sort of fat.
Speaker 1: Welcome Kudda. How are you going today?
Speaker 3: All good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you get an okay? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. I drove in and it was starting
Speaker 3: to rain, but I was just saying before that the
Speaker 3: studio is so soundproof, like because there's Hundi's raining before.
Speaker 1: You can hear a thing. Yeah magic, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well could have. As always, we like to show
Speaker 2: what we love about home. So whatever home is to you,
Speaker 2: if you think of home and you think of maybe
Speaker 2: it's where you live or where you grew up or
Speaker 2: where you go away, and consider home, what is home
Speaker 2: to you and what do you love about it? We
Speaker 2: will start off first and Alyssa, what do you love
Speaker 2: about home this week?
Speaker 1: It's actually I think I've definitely shared that I love
Speaker 1: this about home before, but it's the botanical gardens and
Speaker 1: money they were Yes, I live in Reware, was brought
Speaker 1: up in Rewa and the gardens is like such a
Speaker 1: such a spot and money there was it is.
Speaker 2: I went there for the first time in several years
Speaker 2: for Matadi y Yeah, and it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It's bigger than I remember. It's actually really big and
Speaker 1: it's really nice and I recently did the mistake of
Speaker 1: taking a boy there and so I feel like I've
Speaker 1: had to go there a lot recently and just like
Speaker 1: reclaim the space for myself.
Speaker 2: Do you like go in and just like freaking like
Speaker 2: with holy water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very much that. No, I actually did. I took
Speaker 1: my friend Dorin there and we had like sit on
Speaker 1: the bench right, and I was like, can we just
Speaker 1: sit here for a moment, just reclaim this bench.
Speaker 2: Yes, rebuked energy that were once there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did the guy do something weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah he got he got cat put it.
Speaker 3: I think my cousin's also taken, dude.
Speaker 1: And then just been like.
Speaker 2: You's sorry, better fly very.
Speaker 1: Bad sorry dog park. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: What I love about home this week is.
Speaker 1: I love my cooking girl.
Speaker 2: Okay, really because I've gone flooding and so like I've
Speaker 2: had to rely on myself. You really have to rely
Speaker 2: on yourself for ship. Yeah, like you need a cook
Speaker 2: for yourself, you need a clean after yourself, like all
Speaker 2: these things when you live with your family, like it's
Speaker 2: a shared task. It kind of is to an extent
Speaker 2: when you're floing, but there's more ownership that you do it,
Speaker 2: like you clean up after.
Speaker 1: Has this been like a big culture shock for you.
Speaker 2: I'm just always used to like my nana's cooking or
Speaker 2: my papa's cooking, or getting home and my mum has
Speaker 2: cooked something. So I guess like not that I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to cook, because I knew how to cook,
Speaker 2: but just that I'm cooking more and I'm like learning
Speaker 2: to romanticize at all and still seeing it as a
Speaker 2: chore because that's what you know.
Speaker 1: Now it's like fun alone time.
Speaker 2: Yes, put the ear pods on Jammer podcasts and studying
Speaker 2: my favorite dishes right now.
Speaker 1: Stir fry. Love a stir fry. You just jam hoist.
Speaker 2: And sauce, oyster sauce, fish sauce, yep, and then your
Speaker 2: protein of your choice. What are my other faves?
Speaker 1: I love a good toasty, A nice toasty toasty.
Speaker 2: There's a nice m What else I love?
Speaker 1: I love a big brickie. You guys love big breakfasts. No,
Speaker 1: there's too much going on? Is it too much for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Similar to the similar Before we were on the mic,
Speaker 1: I was saying, how sad which is sometimes overwhelmed my
Speaker 1: tastebuds and my like sensation, they get like sensory overload.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes a big breakfast I get sinsory overload.
Speaker 3: How about you could have big breakfast can be quite
Speaker 3: hardcore for me? I reckon, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it's just what's too much about it.
Speaker 3: I think it's just because it's the first thing that
Speaker 3: your body has got to deal with, true, and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I've only just woken up and you've just
Speaker 3: like filled me with every food group, possibly because.
Speaker 1: It's like calves, there's meat. Another very ation.
Speaker 3: One that's interesting what you said before though about like
Speaker 3: flooding and and having to rely on yourself, because that
Speaker 3: I had the same experience because I grew up with
Speaker 3: quite a big household, and yeah, everyone is relying on
Speaker 3: each other, and that's kind of the be a minimum,
Speaker 3: Like that's the base level expectation from everyone. But then
Speaker 3: when you're in a flat, like when I was living
Speaker 3: in an apartment in Uni, I was like, whoa, we
Speaker 3: really are out here of fending for ourselves right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Suddenly what you thought was the be a minimum is
Speaker 3: actually quite a lot for real.
Speaker 2: Bro even like stuff like cleaning and things like that
Speaker 2: needs to be organized. Where As like if you live
Speaker 2: with your family, it's almost like you read each other's
Speaker 2: minds and you're like.
Speaker 1: Okay, i'll do I'll do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like it needs to be like divv up
Speaker 2: properly in a flat situation, if you get what.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have are you flitting at the moment? No? Okay?
Speaker 1: Do you have a roster in your flat? No? Okay?
Speaker 1: Now do you guys read each other's minds or do
Speaker 1: you just tell someone you're going to do something? We
Speaker 1: just tell each other.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's all. You sort of feel the simmering tension.
Speaker 3: Just wait for the group group chat, passage prisons.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, I don't. Yeah, we just tell each other.
Speaker 2: But the whole cooking thing, we have like very like
Speaker 2: diverse tastes and food, so we're never going to have
Speaker 2: the same meal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice, So I'll go home to go love, go on,
Speaker 1: thank you? What do you love about home this week?
Speaker 3: What I love about home is literally just going back
Speaker 3: home because I love with my quardor. I'm my auntie,
Speaker 3: oh beautiful and my cousin now. But I love just
Speaker 3: going back home and seeing what my accordor is watching
Speaker 3: on TV. Because it's quite arranged, like he'll go from
Speaker 3: watching the American politics. Yeah, because he hates Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: So he's always he's like his number one hater, and
Speaker 3: so he watches everything like you know, he's one of
Speaker 3: those haters where he's well researched.
Speaker 2: I like he's hating his heart. I want to know,
Speaker 2: like what you're doing because I want to hand on
Speaker 2: the exactly.
Speaker 3: But he can go from that to like watching documentaries
Speaker 3: about skin walkers and like, oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh, he really does have a range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a big range to like World War
Speaker 3: two to like nature documentary, Like he's got it all.
Speaker 3: He watches like we watched Breaking Bed together, I Love you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he would have been like eighty nine eighty eight
Speaker 3: or something and he was like, oh my god, these
Speaker 3: people are terrible. Let's watch the next episode. Yeah. And
Speaker 3: I just love hanging out with him and my aunty
Speaker 3: as well, and just because when we go home, I
Speaker 3: tend to try and switch back into the eel and
Speaker 3: he was raised in wine Man and he speaks too
Speaker 3: ideal and so it's like, oh yeah, I get to
Speaker 3: go home and speak a Maldio again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, cool.
Speaker 3: And just talk about you know, stuff that eighty nine
Speaker 3: year olds fine cool, which is a lot oh.
Speaker 1: By the sounds. Yeah, I thought you were going to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's watching like the Chase. Of course
Speaker 1: that's part of the New Zealand television. There we.
Speaker 3: Stand up was when I was in halls at UNI,
Speaker 3: right and they just had this like like open mic
Speaker 3: night kind of thing and I was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 3: do a stand up sit and I did it and
Speaker 3: I was pretty bad. People laughed, But it's not something
Speaker 3: that I'm like, I'm so proud of this city. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was pretty like what I would call heck now.
Speaker 3: But ever since then, I just started signing up to
Speaker 3: open mic, like proper open mic nights at bars and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I just kept on going. I was, yeah, pretty
Speaker 3: bad at the time, just like not as personal I guess, yeah,
Speaker 3: like my style has become now. But yeah, it was
Speaker 3: really just a case of I kept on signing up.
Speaker 3: I kept on showing up to the gigs and practicing
Speaker 3: and crafting and writing, and then stuff started happening. I
Speaker 3: started getting put on sort of more lineup shows rather
Speaker 3: than open mic comedy. And then I think I was
Speaker 3: twenty one when I did my first TV stand up gig,
Speaker 3: which was Peck Society's comedy mixtape, And then ever since then,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I've been up to really.
Speaker 3: I think I've been doing a lot of writing, yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit of performing, I'd like to get back
Speaker 3: into performing properly. Just it's a bit hard right now
Speaker 3: because life is quite expensive and comedy is quite expensive,
Speaker 3: especially because I love quite far away from the city
Speaker 3: and all the gigs are in the city. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess now most of my comedy is like written
Speaker 3: not on purpose, but that's just how it's ended up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I suppose like it was just the more
Speaker 2: you did these open mic notes, the better you got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because for comedy, every single gig is different.
Speaker 3: Like you can you will get better and better and
Speaker 3: better and more comfortable and better at responding and better
Speaker 3: at listening. But that doesn't necessarily mean that every gig
Speaker 3: is going to get better and better a beater, like
Speaker 3: they're quite all over the place, like it depends on
Speaker 3: the crowd, It depends on the vibes of the day,
Speaker 3: It depends on how on you are, Like, yeah, the
Speaker 3: variable is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever been on stays to be like funk,
Speaker 1: I really need to pivot this content right now. You
Speaker 1: had to just like completely be like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been times where's like I've just said something
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have, Seid like there are things that I've
Speaker 3: said on SAYD that I regretted saying, and I was like, mm, yeah,
Speaker 3: I need to leave this. I need to turn way
Speaker 3: to something else right now because this is not This
Speaker 3: is either not what I thought it was gonna be,
Speaker 3: like yeah in my head, or it's just like the
Speaker 3: crowd just doesn't care for it, and I just need
Speaker 3: to go to something that I know they will.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, do you have like some things where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like every crowd loves this?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, I would say that the song that
Speaker 3: I do is one of those bits where it's I
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever had a bad response to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was this was gonna be the next
Speaker 1: question anyway. But I love the way I actually saw
Speaker 1: you perform it. I'm the why twenty five nor that
Speaker 1: I almost yeah, so wild, but it was. I just
Speaker 1: loved your shit so much. I've always been a fan
Speaker 1: of you, but like actually being able to see you
Speaker 1: in your life, I was like, this is hilarious, Like
Speaker 1: this to me is like so good, and I love
Speaker 1: the way that you have infused like comedy and music
Speaker 1: like with that song, I wish I was gay. I
Speaker 1: was I was getting. Yeah, first of all, how did
Speaker 1: you come up with that song? And then also like
Speaker 1: what at what point did you decide to infuse like
Speaker 1: comedy and music together.
Speaker 3: I think I wrote that song either when I was
Speaker 3: nineteen or twenty. I was just watching a lot of
Speaker 3: Flight of the Concord. Oh yeah, Flight of the Concords,
Speaker 3: because I grew up on them. I was like, I
Speaker 3: would love to do some musical comedy, and so I
Speaker 3: just picked up my guitar, I went and lot myself
Speaker 3: at my bedroom and I just wrote it nice. I
Speaker 3: don't exactly know what the inspiration was. I think it
Speaker 3: was just one of those times. So sometimes you just
Speaker 3: get a random creative boost and it's like right, right,
Speaker 3: right right, Oh my gosh, this is actually not bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then but the interesting thing is that the first
Speaker 3: time you write it down on paper is not what
Speaker 3: it's gonna be, like feva, Like, if I were to
Speaker 3: read what I actually wrote, it would probably be a
Speaker 3: completely different song.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's over time and over you know, because each
Speaker 3: time you play it, depending on the room, you might
Speaker 3: say something different to what you write. You might say
Speaker 3: something that you feel just would be funnier on the spot,
Speaker 3: and then that thing you thought of on the spot
Speaker 3: becomes a locked in line in the song. Like even
Speaker 3: the interesting thing about song musical comedy is that you're
Speaker 3: actually playing with the conventions of music, because comedy is
Speaker 3: all about subverting the expectations of the audience. And so
Speaker 3: with musical comedy, it can't just be a song that's funny.
Speaker 3: It has to be a song that like you actually
Speaker 3: have to consider what goes into writing song, what goes
Speaker 3: into the structure of a song, what do people Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh.
Speaker 1: Hitther Yeah he works on his building. I'm sorry, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, speak of the devil.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like it's it's a lot more than just
Speaker 3: writing the jokes, Like you actually kind of have to
Speaker 3: like writing music and know what goes you know, what's
Speaker 3: the bridge, what's a chorus? What are people waiting for
Speaker 3: you to do? Yeah, because everyone kind of has a
Speaker 3: built in ear as to what a song should be,
Speaker 3: and so you have more to play with. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: you just have a lot to play with than just
Speaker 3: compared to Stand Up Alone. Yeah, but even stand Up Alone,
Speaker 3: it's like a whole entire world of its own stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it was just like I just
Speaker 3: like writing music and so it was fun to mooge
Speaker 3: those loves together. Although I need to write another song,
Speaker 3: we would love that and I'm just so lazy so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like a lot of if it
Speaker 1: to be honest, do you have a gig though? That's
Speaker 1: been like your favorite so fat m.
Speaker 3: I actually really enjoyed that hy twenty five gig just
Speaker 3: because it was just a room full of young women
Speaker 3: who were all entrepreneurs, are like thought leaders, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 3: you people are like actually doing something around and it
Speaker 3: was just cool to be in that space and be like,
Speaker 3: let's just have a good time. Let's just chill and
Speaker 3: relax and smile, because, especially knowing just the sort of
Speaker 3: level of work you guys were doing, it kind of
Speaker 3: felt like, I don't know, just a real privilege to
Speaker 3: be able to share joy nice. That's how I see
Speaker 3: comedy is making joyful space, Yeah, which is really important
Speaker 3: to me, especially for hard workers. Yeah, it's important to
Speaker 3: have time to just be happy.
Speaker 1: It's such a I love that. I'm like an in
Speaker 1: comedy phonetic, Like I really love very much comedy that
Speaker 1: comes out of this country period, and so like that
Speaker 1: I'm also so on that buzz, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: being a young woman in this world can be really
Speaker 1: hard sometimes and like the layer of being like Speaker
Speaker 1: or Mardy, it's not an easy world or this is
Speaker 1: not an easy city to live in, and then we
Speaker 1: have like the cost of living crisis that like making
Speaker 1: space for joy is so important, like you actually can't
Speaker 1: live life without pockets of joy, like we need those,
Speaker 1: we need those moments of hope in order to make
Speaker 1: the slave with living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom, when I was a kid, she used
Speaker 3: to tell me if Marty couldn't laugh, we would just
Speaker 3: be crying all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were like, you know what I want
Speaker 1: to do. I want to make people laugh.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty intense thing to say that, but I don't
Speaker 3: think she was necessarily wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was the next question actually, speaking to
Speaker 1: like being Mardy and growing up Mardy, you went to
Speaker 1: a school that was really similar to mine, and I
Speaker 1: found being at that school very culturally challenging, and I
Speaker 1: felt like my some oneness was like really obvious in
Speaker 1: a way that wasn't like nice And like to me now,
Speaker 1: being someone, Yes, I love that. I love being someone.
Speaker 1: It's everything to me. I want people to know I'm Simon,
Speaker 1: but back then it was kind of like a shameful
Speaker 1: aspect of my identity. But the question is, were you
Speaker 1: always like super strong in your Mardi tonguel or as
Speaker 1: we're going to a school like we did, that it
Speaker 1: impacts you in any way.
Speaker 3: I think that my whole life, I have always been
Speaker 3: Maldy and I've never known anything else but to be Maldy.
Speaker 3: And when I was at Burdeane, I was always confident
Speaker 3: in my Mildy tongue I had. I actually started at
Speaker 3: Tikol hunger deal or Tetsuda home, so Maldi is technically
Speaker 3: my first language. But the thing is that afterwards I
Speaker 3: went to mainstream schools and my Maldi got less good,
Speaker 3: really well, it didn't get worse, it just didn't get better.
Speaker 3: And my final like Tedyl, was always in our home,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't necessarily spoken to me twenty four seven,
Speaker 3: which is what you need to have a language relationship
Speaker 3: with your caregiver.
Speaker 1: But it was never a secret.
Speaker 3: To me or a surprise that we were Maldy, and
Speaker 3: I never felt uncomfortable when we, you know, would go
Speaker 3: to different events with Fino or tonguey or those kinds
Speaker 3: of things, which it's interesting because tonguy, I think, is
Speaker 3: one of the biggest places where Maldy connect with their
Speaker 3: Maldi tongue nowadays, if they're not already immersed in it.
Speaker 3: But I was always pretty chill, like honestly, when I
Speaker 3: was in school, there was no sense of shame because
Speaker 3: it was not something I knew that you could be
Speaker 3: ashamed about. I would go to school and it was
Speaker 3: white Airs, and I'd feel like it was white Airs,
Speaker 3: but I still went to Kabaka and I did Copuka
Speaker 3: for like maybe twelve eleven, twelve years or something, so
Speaker 3: it was always just a natural part of my life.
Speaker 3: And then I'd go home and all my family are
Speaker 3: Maldy and so there was no shame. There was no
Speaker 3: feelings of detachment for me until my parents started saying
Speaker 3: things to me, Like I remember when I was in
Speaker 3: high school, my parents were like they said to me,
Speaker 3: and I put it in my showhohak guy. They started
Speaker 3: saying stuff to me like, oh, we know you're ashamed
Speaker 3: of being Maldy and we know that you don't like
Speaker 3: DOINGUK because of that, And that was quite random to me,
Speaker 3: like and I say random really intentionally because it came
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. Yeah, because when I was a teenager,
Speaker 3: it was not something I really thought about. It just
Speaker 3: was my life. And to have my parents say something
Speaker 3: like that to me, which was quite a definitive sort
Speaker 3: of judgment that they had come to, was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was only when they said that when suddenly
Speaker 3: the concepts of shame and girl got introduced to me.
Speaker 3: And I would have been like year twelve, like you're
Speaker 3: living year twelve, and so I've gone all this way
Speaker 3: like I'm a happy little milded girl, and I got
Speaker 3: a couple of yeah, yeah, exactly what we binging out
Speaker 3: and doing my homework and all that jazz. And it
Speaker 3: was only when they sort of started saying stuff I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, maybe I'm not a happy little molded girl. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think that because it was so random it
Speaker 3: was I was okay because the shock of it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's so random. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's very upsetting that you've said this, but it's too
Speaker 3: out of the blue for me to really fully be like,
Speaker 3: you're right, I don't know anything, because it's just like,
Speaker 3: what the hell are you talking about because sometimes I
Speaker 3: could say random stuff because they're also very creative and
Speaker 3: creative people say creative things. But yeah, it's interesting. It's
Speaker 3: only gotten more complex now that I'm twenty three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: where I look back and I'm like, huh, that's quite
Speaker 3: interesting what was going on there? And all I can
Speaker 3: say to that is that that was them going through
Speaker 3: their own stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that answer. That's so gosh how
Speaker 1: different my life would have been had I not known
Speaker 1: what shame was, because.
Speaker 3: It's only once it's introduced to you that you can
Speaker 3: feel shame about, because otherwise you're just a little bumbling
Speaker 3: teenager just hanging out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to figure out the world as it is.
Speaker 3: Sometimes other people introduce that shame, like teachers, peers, but
Speaker 3: for me it was my parents. But now, my school
Speaker 3: had had a lot of issues, honestly, like they would
Speaker 3: keep doing bullshit like trying and make the kabaka practices
Speaker 3: as short as possible and make it as little as
Speaker 3: possible because to them, capuker was just a performance and
Speaker 3: it was just a hobby. They didn't understand what it
Speaker 3: meant for that to be aligned to your culture. Because
Speaker 3: I love kabaka because because it was my culture and
Speaker 3: that was where I felt cool and chill and happy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. They'd go, oh, my God,
Speaker 3: could have our favorite little gold star student. But then
Speaker 3: in the same breath they'd say, and we're going to
Speaker 3: shorten kabaka because you guys need to be better at academics,
Speaker 3: even though I don't know, we were great.
Speaker 1: Yeah in my eyes, Yeah, that's exactly what my master's
Speaker 1: was about. What the research says. I read an interview
Speaker 1: of yours where you mentioned obviously you have a more
Speaker 1: cohi and you mentioned feeling like you had to act
Speaker 1: or speak a certain way after you received your mocal Coi.
Speaker 1: I would have kind of speak to the experience of
Speaker 1: receiving it, but then also that journey you've kind of
Speaker 1: been on since, like what does it mean to you,
Speaker 1: like now act and speak.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I got my macal Coi when I turned
Speaker 3: twenty one. I got it with my mum and three
Speaker 3: of my toa on the same day. It was actually
Speaker 3: the first Moco Papa that my mother I had ever
Speaker 3: held in the ducking wow, mainly because el mud I
Speaker 3: Well the funding way specifically is I knew well new
Speaker 3: as in it was built in twenty ten, and so
Speaker 3: they had never had a morechal Papa on it before,
Speaker 3: and so that was a real privilege to be part
Speaker 3: of that sort of occasion. It was interesting because the
Speaker 3: night before I got my more cork, I was telling
Speaker 3: my cousin just the other day that I just had
Speaker 3: so much anxiety over it. I didn't know if I
Speaker 3: was making the right decision. I was feeling the permanence
Speaker 3: of the decision and I couldn't sleep. And then on
Speaker 3: the day of my marco, we pulled up to Durpaki,
Speaker 3: I saw my monga tameathel borke Fenua and I immediately
Speaker 3: felt calm. And it was like a calmness that I'd
Speaker 3: never felt before. It was like my whole body and
Speaker 3: every cell in my body it was just po and
Speaker 3: I in that moment just knew this is the right decision.
Speaker 3: I am exactly where I need to be. And so
Speaker 3: ever since that feeling, which was even before I actually
Speaker 3: had the mochal COI I knew, oh, yes, this is
Speaker 3: who I am, this is what's meant to happen right now.
Speaker 3: And I think ever since having my morcal COI, I've
Speaker 3: just become stronger and stronger as not just as a
Speaker 3: mildy person, but as a person in general. Having my
Speaker 3: morcl Coio its like I wake up and I have
Speaker 3: my best friend with me every day. There's never been
Speaker 3: a single day where I've regretted having my macho, And
Speaker 3: every day that I have my Macho and I see it,
Speaker 3: I feel ready for the world. It's something That's helped
Speaker 3: me a lot because I've been working on getting my
Speaker 3: deal back up to scratch and getting more intentional about
Speaker 3: my mildy tongue and my two and I feel like
Speaker 3: every step of the way, I have my mate to
Speaker 3: thank for holding me. It's just quite interesting because I've
Speaker 3: never actually thought about it like that before until I'm
Speaker 3: saying it right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: What a beautiful description of that experience.
Speaker 1: I'm always getting emotional. Yeah, that's so put the tears
Speaker 1: out of the eyes. Are there certain expectations put on
Speaker 1: people with Michael.
Speaker 3: I There are people who will put expectations on you
Speaker 3: regardless of what you present. There are people who will
Speaker 3: say that I shouldn't sweet, shouldn't say certain things because
Speaker 3: I'm a woman, and so of course there's going to
Speaker 3: be people who say it because I have a morchal
Speaker 3: COI because everyone has different understandings of what is and
Speaker 3: what the tekonga is, and I think that I don't
Speaker 3: wish to villainize those people or even necessarily to disagree
Speaker 3: with them, because what is true to me can be
Speaker 3: equally true to someone else. There are lots of people
Speaker 3: who say you shouldn't drink alcohol, you shouldn't smoke, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't swear, you shouldn't talk about sex. But for me,
Speaker 3: that's just not a thing because in my upbringing more
Speaker 3: has been a very casual thing. It's just a part
Speaker 3: of life, and it's a part of our beauty as well.
Speaker 3: And I think that the way I've always had it
Speaker 3: around me is it's just it's just as natural as
Speaker 3: your lips, you know, just as natural as having a
Speaker 3: chin like it. It's quite neutral to me, even though
Speaker 3: I just said that all that stuff about here's my
Speaker 3: best friend, It's just it's not something that I revere
Speaker 3: or feel afraid of, or that I feel others should expect. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, the thing is that I will hold myself
Speaker 3: to this ended that I think I should be at
Speaker 3: regardless of my co I just as a woman, as
Speaker 3: a mildy woman, it's important to me that I hold
Speaker 3: my head up high and that I don't speak down
Speaker 3: on myself, and that I don't allow myself to do
Speaker 3: what the world would love to do to me. But
Speaker 3: that would be true regardless of my Marchel.
Speaker 1: Period him. Oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow, wow. I
Speaker 1: was telling you before I just received my mudel, and
Speaker 1: I feel like within someone culture there are some really
Speaker 1: high expectations of people who wear their muddel or like
Speaker 1: have had their muddel revealed. And to hear you say,
Speaker 1: like speak of your Michael co I, it's like this
Speaker 1: neutral thing but also something that like when you look
Speaker 1: at and the morning you feel ready for the world.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I feel about my cell and this
Speaker 1: kind of sense of like I have everyone in my
Speaker 1: life and all my ancestors like backing me so hard,
Speaker 1: like unconditionally, but it's also like not anyone else's business
Speaker 1: what I not necessarily what I do, but like how
Speaker 1: I move through the world as someone who wears a
Speaker 1: malul Like I think that's so what you've said is
Speaker 1: so profound and like important. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to take like five minutes. Couldn't we want
Speaker 1: to jam a rapid fire? I came with you.
Speaker 2: But before we do that, I have one more, last,
Speaker 2: one last question for you. So we'd love to hear
Speaker 2: more about your writing works. So you've mentioned the performance
Speaker 2: side of comedy, but then there's also that side of
Speaker 2: writing and scripting shows like Only An tell us about
Speaker 2: the experience, because we've seen clips of it.
Speaker 1: Did you see a moment? Hilarious?
Speaker 2: That whole show actually, like the whole previous of the
Speaker 2: show is just so smart and intelligent. But tell us
Speaker 2: about your experience writing for shows like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Only An al Theodore is the only skeitch comedy
Speaker 3: show I've written on. But writing skitch comedy, I feel
Speaker 3: like it's like a comedian dream. I got their job.
Speaker 3: I think it was off the back of like stand
Speaker 3: up or something like that, Like my stand up clips
Speaker 3: had been going around, and I think that the producer
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you can do comedy, you write comedy,
Speaker 3: And I'd previously done some week writing on Akad and
Speaker 3: so she's like, oh, cool, you can also write Yes,
Speaker 3: And the room was cool, like it was just all
Speaker 3: and it was a real fun time, Like we just
Speaker 3: sat literally around a table and jammed like things that
Speaker 3: we thought were funny and things that we thought what
Speaker 3: he should see. I'm a bit of a comedy nude,
Speaker 3: so I it was really important to me, like structure
Speaker 3: and set ups and punchlines and all. They're just like,
Speaker 3: it's quite boring when you break it down into that,
Speaker 3: but it's really important so that you can hit what
Speaker 3: it is that you're trying to say. Yeah, absolutely, I've
Speaker 3: seen it in some other somewhere. I said to someone
Speaker 3: else that with Tikunga Police, which with the sketches that
Speaker 3: I brought, and I was like real nerdy, and they're like, everybody,
Speaker 3: can you please come in with a few ideas, Like
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be full and fleshed out, it's
Speaker 3: just something that we can ref on. And on the
Speaker 3: first day of the table, I brought and fully written
Speaker 3: scrobs and I was I should I'm so so like
Speaker 3: too much sometimes because everyone else in the room got
Speaker 3: freaked out because they're like, oh, when we meant to
Speaker 3: do that, And I.
Speaker 1: Was like no, no, no, no, no, I'm just like
Speaker 1: I'm just really into this. I was really into it.
Speaker 3: It was like the hyper fixation thing, like but Uh.
Speaker 3: That gef skitch was quite funny to me because that
Speaker 3: was one that was born in the room because we
Speaker 3: were just talking about not to name well yeah, to
Speaker 3: name names, but because they are not a Maldi brand,
Speaker 3: but they.
Speaker 1: Have a man I have heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but they're young, I guess, but they
Speaker 3: because it stands for alpha, like because sometimes in you'll
Speaker 3: hear the which is alpha omega. So it's implying everything
Speaker 3: in the world because it's from A to Z and
Speaker 3: everything in between. Yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: cool Maori company, but it wasn't actually, but we were
Speaker 3: talking about that brand in the room and how we
Speaker 3: would We're all convinced that it was a Maldi brand
Speaker 3: because I had a name, and so we just started
Speaker 3: talking like what if we were in a world where
Speaker 3: after the city or white tonguey Maldi came out better
Speaker 3: than Parka. And so that whole skitch is like in
Speaker 3: a boardroom with a Maldi company and they've got the
Speaker 3: like token park boards. Yeah yeah, yeah. And the feel
Speaker 3: thing was just a random thing that I thought was funny.
Speaker 3: It was just funny because like we have all these
Speaker 3: this you've got, there's all one and this whole context
Speaker 3: and everyone's favorite particy thing.
Speaker 1: Like gone to ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I was happy because it's like I
Speaker 3: wrote a joke and everyone.
Speaker 2: Also police that was a good sketch as well, so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I played it out on my radio show. I
Speaker 1: was like, what I think?
Speaker 2: I asked people, who do you need to call the
Speaker 2: teak or police on? And like people are calling in
Speaker 2: and saying, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Got this coworker who's such as dirty ass on the.
Speaker 2: Well speaking of okay, we're going to go into a
Speaker 2: rapid fire, gave and got it. Before we go, We're
Speaker 2: gonna ask you a simple question that's divided a lot
Speaker 2: of people. And this may open the candle rooms. But
Speaker 2: hangy or boil up? Which one are you choosing?
Speaker 3: That's a really like fucked up question. Really, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say hungy. I feel like I eat more boil up
Speaker 3: when I have hungy. It's like yeahey, however it has
Speaker 3: to be good hongey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always used to hate hangy when I was a
Speaker 3: kid because I was like, oh my god, it's drying, flavorless.
Speaker 3: But then I realized I was just eating dry and flavorless,
Speaker 3: and you're like a real hungy. I was like, shit, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is worth the whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is get the shout a good hangy before.
Speaker 1: And I've had some not so good hangey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Other times, like when the potatoes aren't cooked fully what
Speaker 2: I like this one hungy. I ate like the potatoes
Speaker 2: were giving apple like six ships. They were crunchy, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, how long were you cooking this?
Speaker 1: Did you check this on that micro But yes, I
Speaker 1: have to say about raw fish. I recently discovered that
Speaker 1: I love raw fish. But it's because I've been having
Speaker 1: ship raw fish. Yeah, and you like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: really like it. But I've just looked that I'm a
Speaker 1: bit fussy with my raw fish. And I had a
Speaker 1: really good raw fish the other day and I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: this is on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just need a good one. I think boil
Speaker 3: up is like a staple meal.
Speaker 1: I love boil up.
Speaker 3: I will never turn down boil up. But hangy is
Speaker 3: just a special Yeah special.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's a special occasion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it requires a little bit more effort, just.
Speaker 3: Like like smoke eel when we get there and I'm like,
Speaker 3: coming back to your buddy.
Speaker 1: I thank you so much for joining us. Where can
Speaker 1: we find you on social media and whatnot?
Speaker 3: On Instagram?
Speaker 1: My, what do you call it? The iconic handle? I
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Speaker 3: I don't know you.
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