1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk z B. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:14,787 Speaker 2: Let's get you back to Aviva Stadium where All Black 4 00:00:14,827 --> 00:00:18,387 Speaker 2: Sisters and coach Timmody Ellison joins us. Timmody, congratulations on 5 00:00:18,427 --> 00:00:20,987 Speaker 2: the win. What pleased you and the coaching staff the 6 00:00:21,027 --> 00:00:22,187 Speaker 2: most about the performance? 7 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:26,707 Speaker 3: I think the week was the most pleasing thing. 8 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:28,627 Speaker 4: That the leaders were really clear around what they wanted 9 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:30,987 Speaker 4: and they drove that throughout the week, and I feel 10 00:00:31,507 --> 00:00:34,307 Speaker 4: we got that tonight on the field. So it's probably 11 00:00:34,347 --> 00:00:35,947 Speaker 4: the thing I'm pleased about most. 12 00:00:37,147 --> 00:00:40,387 Speaker 2: What were those things that they were asking from the players. 13 00:00:41,427 --> 00:00:42,987 Speaker 4: I just had a lot of respect for the Irish 14 00:00:43,027 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 4: attachs so that they wanted to make sure they've got 15 00:00:44,907 --> 00:00:49,867 Speaker 4: enough defensive repsen and they drove the messaging and obviously 16 00:00:49,947 --> 00:00:52,907 Speaker 4: fronted up on d as well. So yeah, that's the 17 00:00:52,907 --> 00:00:53,867 Speaker 4: thing I'm proud about most. 18 00:00:55,107 --> 00:00:57,667 Speaker 2: Did you sense a changing of the momentum of the 19 00:00:57,707 --> 00:00:59,507 Speaker 2: game in the last twenty minutes or so? 20 00:01:01,827 --> 00:01:04,627 Speaker 4: I guess it was still I felt it was still 21 00:01:04,627 --> 00:01:08,707 Speaker 4: in the balance because of the points differential, but there's 22 00:01:08,707 --> 00:01:11,747 Speaker 4: also the moments we were able to continue to apply 23 00:01:11,827 --> 00:01:15,827 Speaker 4: pressure and then with the clock and then with the score, 24 00:01:16,227 --> 00:01:18,467 Speaker 4: the momentum starts to come in your favor just because 25 00:01:18,507 --> 00:01:22,147 Speaker 4: of the time really versus actually what was happening on 26 00:01:22,187 --> 00:01:25,507 Speaker 4: the field from memory, again, I'm straight off the grass, so. 27 00:01:25,667 --> 00:01:27,227 Speaker 3: That the coaches in the box probably had a better 28 00:01:27,267 --> 00:01:27,667 Speaker 3: view than me. 29 00:01:29,987 --> 00:01:32,227 Speaker 2: I guess it just felters though, and you might be 30 00:01:32,267 --> 00:01:34,467 Speaker 2: able to speak to this as though the pressure the 31 00:01:34,507 --> 00:01:38,627 Speaker 2: All Blacks were applying was just forcing some Irish mistakes. 32 00:01:38,667 --> 00:01:41,427 Speaker 2: They're a bit ragged at times, but mainly through the 33 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:44,187 Speaker 2: pressure that the All Blacks were applying. Was that an 34 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:46,587 Speaker 2: intent an intent not just in the last twenty but 35 00:01:46,667 --> 00:01:47,547 Speaker 2: across the eighty minutes. 36 00:01:48,307 --> 00:01:48,507 Speaker 3: Yeah. 37 00:01:48,587 --> 00:01:50,707 Speaker 4: We had to be really clear though around As I 38 00:01:50,747 --> 00:01:52,867 Speaker 4: said that, a lot of respect for their attack and 39 00:01:52,867 --> 00:01:54,467 Speaker 4: the way they play the games had to be quite 40 00:01:54,507 --> 00:01:54,907 Speaker 4: clear around. 41 00:01:54,947 --> 00:01:56,147 Speaker 3: We were to try and go after them. 42 00:01:57,427 --> 00:02:00,067 Speaker 4: That's the important part, you know, you can get revved 43 00:02:00,147 --> 00:02:03,067 Speaker 4: up and try and get everything. So the boys were 44 00:02:03,147 --> 00:02:04,907 Speaker 4: quite clear, and I think when those moments come we 45 00:02:05,227 --> 00:02:08,187 Speaker 4: got the majority of them and in the era rate 46 00:02:09,187 --> 00:02:12,027 Speaker 4: you know, started to head in our favor. 47 00:02:13,347 --> 00:02:15,707 Speaker 2: How did you assess the performance of Damien McKenzie. 48 00:02:17,147 --> 00:02:19,027 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he hit the ball well off the 49 00:02:19,067 --> 00:02:22,427 Speaker 4: tee and you know, like his catch pass, considering how 50 00:02:22,427 --> 00:02:27,147 Speaker 4: greasy the night was, was nice and deliberate, So I 51 00:02:27,227 --> 00:02:29,227 Speaker 4: think you should be really proud of his efforts. 52 00:02:30,547 --> 00:02:33,107 Speaker 2: Did you ask anything different from him? You know, Scott 53 00:02:33,187 --> 00:02:35,907 Speaker 2: Robertson's called him mercurial, We all know the you know 54 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:38,947 Speaker 2: the unique talents that Damien McKenzie has. Did you ask 55 00:02:39,027 --> 00:02:40,827 Speaker 2: him to play slightly differently tonight? 56 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:44,867 Speaker 3: You'd have to Scotti Henson. 57 00:02:44,907 --> 00:02:47,387 Speaker 4: Then I think that the thing with Damien is just 58 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:51,027 Speaker 4: continuing to trust the skill sets he's got amazing skills 59 00:02:51,067 --> 00:02:54,187 Speaker 4: catch pass and kick. Then just be really clear around, 60 00:02:54,307 --> 00:02:57,547 Speaker 4: be decisive around his decision making. So again it's probably 61 00:02:57,747 --> 00:03:01,267 Speaker 4: a question for the attack coats though, why. 62 00:03:01,187 --> 00:03:03,067 Speaker 2: Do you think it was difficult in the early stages 63 00:03:03,107 --> 00:03:04,907 Speaker 2: of the game to get clean ball at the at 64 00:03:04,907 --> 00:03:05,227 Speaker 2: the ruck. 65 00:03:07,267 --> 00:03:07,907 Speaker 3: I felt like. 66 00:03:09,987 --> 00:03:12,067 Speaker 4: We were probably getting a few Irish bodies over our 67 00:03:12,147 --> 00:03:15,587 Speaker 4: side at times, and they did a good job, you know, 68 00:03:15,587 --> 00:03:17,787 Speaker 4: probably winning the race to get lower than us a 69 00:03:17,827 --> 00:03:20,267 Speaker 4: couple of times as well. So I think there was 70 00:03:20,267 --> 00:03:24,507 Speaker 4: a balance between their speed to beat us to the 71 00:03:24,587 --> 00:03:27,827 Speaker 4: high battle and that made the ball a wee bit disrupted, 72 00:03:27,987 --> 00:03:29,827 Speaker 4: not including how greasy it was out that you probably 73 00:03:29,867 --> 00:03:32,427 Speaker 4: saw that both sides of the field, So something we'll 74 00:03:32,467 --> 00:03:34,827 Speaker 4: have to make sure we get on top of heading 75 00:03:34,867 --> 00:03:35,867 Speaker 4: into this week. 76 00:03:37,067 --> 00:03:39,507 Speaker 2: Cam Roy got off the bench for the last half hour. 77 00:03:39,547 --> 00:03:42,907 Speaker 2: How did you assess the way he went on? Surely asked, 78 00:03:42,907 --> 00:03:45,867 Speaker 2: got in and then as well maybe yeah. 79 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:47,947 Speaker 4: I thought I thought Can kicked the ball well, you know, 80 00:03:48,067 --> 00:03:50,387 Speaker 4: gave us time to get under it and apply pressure. 81 00:03:51,387 --> 00:03:53,147 Speaker 4: And then you know, the Irish made a few years 82 00:03:53,187 --> 00:03:56,587 Speaker 4: probably uncharacteristic in some some parts, but I thought he 83 00:03:56,667 --> 00:04:00,107 Speaker 4: hit the ball well, you know, and really you know 84 00:04:00,187 --> 00:04:00,867 Speaker 4: left us in print. 85 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:05,387 Speaker 2: Is the rule which led to Jordi Barrett's yellow cards. 86 00:04:05,427 --> 00:04:08,587 Speaker 2: Still a little bit difficult to navigate. 87 00:04:09,587 --> 00:04:10,067 Speaker 3: I can be. 88 00:04:10,267 --> 00:04:12,627 Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's the first and foremost it's important. 89 00:04:12,907 --> 00:04:16,267 Speaker 4: You know, safeties has to be paramountain, and you know, 90 00:04:16,307 --> 00:04:18,027 Speaker 4: the rest to have to deal with it the way 91 00:04:18,067 --> 00:04:21,267 Speaker 4: they have to think. That's important. At the same time, 92 00:04:21,347 --> 00:04:24,507 Speaker 4: with collisions, you know, like they can happen in any 93 00:04:24,547 --> 00:04:28,907 Speaker 4: moment and sometimes you know, you can be unlucky both 94 00:04:28,947 --> 00:04:31,467 Speaker 4: sides of the ball. So but again I think the 95 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:34,427 Speaker 4: safety is important and it's important we continue to drive that. 96 00:04:35,987 --> 00:04:39,187 Speaker 2: How did you land on? Rico Jowane leading the haka. 97 00:04:42,147 --> 00:04:45,987 Speaker 4: Again, it's it's probably a Christian for TJ per Andara 98 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:50,147 Speaker 4: and Kurdie Taylor. I thought he'd done a really good job, 99 00:04:50,987 --> 00:04:54,467 Speaker 4: you know, Pak Stadium. I thought often in Huckers you 100 00:04:54,667 --> 00:04:56,507 Speaker 4: can can rush at times, but I thought he really 101 00:04:56,507 --> 00:05:01,067 Speaker 4: controlled the group and you know, beautiful tempo and beautiful rhythm, 102 00:05:01,067 --> 00:05:05,507 Speaker 4: and obviously they're the boys that we're doing it definitely 103 00:05:05,507 --> 00:05:07,747 Speaker 4: would have been represented and you know, putting all their 104 00:05:07,747 --> 00:05:09,707 Speaker 4: ca ho into it with three cleaning. 105 00:05:10,547 --> 00:05:12,587 Speaker 2: And I don't know what it's been like for him 106 00:05:12,627 --> 00:05:14,627 Speaker 2: this week. You know, there's a lot of outside noise, 107 00:05:15,187 --> 00:05:17,707 Speaker 2: you know, with Johnny Sexton's book and all of that 108 00:05:17,747 --> 00:05:20,227 Speaker 2: sort of thing. What if you observed from Rico this 109 00:05:20,307 --> 00:05:22,427 Speaker 2: week in the way that he's prepared for this test match. 110 00:05:23,347 --> 00:05:26,747 Speaker 4: I think he's been consistent, you know, throughout the entire campaign, 111 00:05:26,787 --> 00:05:29,507 Speaker 4: your first time working with them. I thought he controlled 112 00:05:30,027 --> 00:05:33,667 Speaker 4: the game defensively really well tonight, the opportunities to get 113 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:36,427 Speaker 4: his big, heavy frame through collisions and so I. 114 00:05:36,387 --> 00:05:38,747 Speaker 3: Think he was consistent. I'm not sure. 115 00:05:38,747 --> 00:05:42,227 Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much of the noise, you know, 116 00:05:42,267 --> 00:05:43,907 Speaker 4: whether he used it in order to give the game 117 00:05:43,947 --> 00:05:44,467 Speaker 4: going or. 118 00:05:46,107 --> 00:05:47,347 Speaker 3: But I thought he's consistent again. 119 00:05:49,067 --> 00:05:52,307 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the win, Tammody, chalk it up off to France. 120 00:05:52,387 --> 00:05:54,147 Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking the time for a chat mate. 121 00:05:54,707 --> 00:05:57,107 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, all the best. 122 00:05:56,907 --> 00:05:57,587 Speaker 2: Tomody Ellison. 123 00:05:57,627 --> 00:06:01,187 Speaker 1: There for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen 124 00:06:01,307 --> 00:06:04,507 Speaker 1: live to news Talk z'd be weekends from midday or 125 00:06:04,587 --> 00:06:06,867 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on I Hard Ready You