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Speaker 1: Our last show together. Is it right for the yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you're not here back next week? You two? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: No, we're back, we're back. We didn't negotiate a good

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Speaker 3: enough contract with you, so we sort of stuck with it.

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Speaker 1: With those amazing ratings.

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Speaker 4: Do you put the ratings down to your rape, your

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Speaker 4: wit or is it the magic DJ voice that makes

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Speaker 4: those ratings so speA.

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Speaker 2: I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Ginny.

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Speaker 2: And that's why you're my favorite in the segment, because

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Speaker 2: you want it's a combination. It's the combination. It's all

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Speaker 2: the magic coming together. Now, look, I need some insight

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Speaker 2: from both of you. I've been watching Trump's cabinet meeting,

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Speaker 2: which has been going since before six o'clock this morning

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand time, and all it happens is that

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Speaker 2: you go round the table and we go, Ginny, a

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Speaker 2: report from you, please mark a report from it? Is that, Ginny?

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Speaker 2: Is that how a durn slash Hipkins ran cabinet?

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Speaker 1: No? No, not at all. No, you should have all

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Speaker 1: had a talk. You discuss an issue.

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Speaker 2: Who starts it?

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Speaker 5: Does?

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Speaker 2: It's on the agenda?

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Speaker 1: Is you do have an agenda?

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Speaker 4: And that's also made public, so you can you know,

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Speaker 4: you can a cabinet minutes and kebnet agendas, but the

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Speaker 4: detailed conversation usually is confidential.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Is that how we run labeled?

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Speaker 3: Probably labor and the labor cabinet Wold probably would probably

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Speaker 3: sit holding the hand seeing comeboya and it's probably.

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Speaker 2: The major.

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Speaker 3: And just throw how they can spray more money around

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Speaker 3: the place they're actually delivery, do you think? But no,

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Speaker 3: that's not how the cabinets run. Cemw. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: runs the kibinet and we have kept that. You have

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Speaker 3: cabinet papers that come up that are then discussed and debated.

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Speaker 3: And let's how the cabinets run.

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Speaker 2: On average, Jenny in your time, how long does a

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Speaker 2: cabinet meeting go? Roughly?

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Speaker 5: Can It can be like an hour and a half

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Speaker 5: to two hours, depending But if you've got a really

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Speaker 5: big agenda, often towards the end of the year, there's

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Speaker 5: lots of things you want to get through, so you

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Speaker 4: So it does depend on what's happening at that time,

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Speaker 4: and of course you can have urgent issues, so if

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Speaker 4: there's been a natural disaster or there's urgent action. You

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Speaker 4: get things bumped up that have to be interessed immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yours an hour and a half buckh between half an

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Speaker 3: ear and two ears opinion? What's on the agenda?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Does anybody in the room go, oh, just one

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Speaker 2: more thing?

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Speaker 1: Seem more all the time?

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's the odd time.

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Speaker 2: I love it now. Scrutiny week? What was so yesterday? Jinny?

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Speaker 2: Would you defend what happened with Nikola Willis and your

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Speaker 2: three because that just turned into sort of a not

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Speaker 2: to put two fine a point on a bitch slap,

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Speaker 2: didn't it?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: It was scrappy, but I mean there's clear stats showing

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Speaker 4: that there's been lease investment and infrastructure, and she's saying

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Speaker 4: the opposite. So you could see how people get frustrated

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Speaker 4: when they're saying they come opposite to what the data shows.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but did you learn anything?

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Speaker 4: Do we learn anything? Well, we had for police, which

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Speaker 4: was in depth. You get quite a lot of time

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Speaker 4: when you're going through line by line where money was

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Speaker 4: spent or not spent and what happened that caused that

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Speaker 1: So you don't get to see that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: on the news.

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Speaker 4: You get the grabs, but the detailed line by line

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Speaker 4: scrutiny of the past year's budget and where it went,

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Speaker 4: that's useful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: And they don't prepare the problem is with this opposition

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Speaker 3: and labor, they don't prepare for the Selik committees, it's

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Speaker 3: their chance to come prepared and scrutinize the governments point

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Speaker 3: part of our democracy. They don't come prepared. So what

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Speaker 3: they do is they just yell and shout and scream

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Speaker 3: and put things out there and hope that one of

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Speaker 3: the media pick it up. What's your look.

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Speaker 4: Here's one of my questions yesterday here the Order to

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Speaker 4: General and Treasury have both found corporate functions within police

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Speaker 4: and an up to standard. Did the reduction of nineteen

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Speaker 4: primary responsementshould contribute towards the failure of this target?

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Speaker 1: And Mark's like, I don't know, I've.

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Speaker 3: Got no answer. Mynswer there is simply this is that

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Speaker 3: when I became minister, the police were broke because you

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Speaker 3: hadn't funded the properly. We had to put one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty million dollars in to support those core functions

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Speaker 3: because you hadn't funded them. They were a week away

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Speaker 3: to Jilly, you want the answer, giving you the answer.

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Speaker 3: When I became minister, the police were about to become

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Speaker 3: go broke. They were a week away from breaching their appropriation.

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Speaker 3: We had to immediately put one hundred and twenty million

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Speaker 3: not funded them, they had stopped recruiting to save money.

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Speaker 2: Good question, good answer, your approach, your apprecia.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a love yeah, a.

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Speaker 4: Lovely answer, but it fails to address why you took

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Speaker 4: money out of your ears and why was the road

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Speaker 4: policing budget.

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Speaker 1: I just told you six million over it. You did

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Speaker 1: the same.

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Speaker 3: I just told you. I just told you that we

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Speaker 3: put more money immediately into police to stay below because

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Speaker 3: you had because you had not funded them, they had

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Speaker 3: stopped recruiting. Proud, very proud. Well we've put more. We

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Speaker 3: had put more funding and resource in the front light.

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Speaker 3: That is true, and by the way, they're delivering outstanding results.

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Speaker 2: Now we have got questions as drink scrutiny weekend holidays

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Speaker 2: back from your point of view, is this the third

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Speaker 2: year of scrutiny in whatever year it is Is it

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Speaker 2: worth it? Is there something to be gained out of

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Speaker 2: the exercise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important as part of our democracy

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Speaker 3: and it is away for the opposition to hold the

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Speaker 3: that they it's a total complete waste of time because

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Speaker 3: the opposition aren't organized, they don't really know how to

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Speaker 3: scrutinize it, that they don't come prepared. And that's exactly

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Speaker 3: where you saw the debarcle yesterday at the Finance Committee

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Speaker 3: were all they could do was was was yelling and

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Speaker 3: you know, and have the finest minister, it's crazy you

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Speaker 3: would you're probably you.

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Speaker 2: Would argue, though, Jinny that see I've saw just the

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Speaker 2: clips of Chambers on the news, for example, and which

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Speaker 2: was regurgitation of what he's already said about a thousand

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Speaker 2: times before you would argue there was more that wasn't

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Speaker 4: Well that there was three hours in total, and Mark

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Speaker 4: Mattel came for the last forty five minutes of that.

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Speaker 4: But we had a structured agenda where we go right

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Speaker 4: through all different areas that the committee agrees on and

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Speaker 4: we look at things like where is money being spent,

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Speaker 4: where is it not being spent.

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Speaker 1: We get to understand things like.

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Speaker 4: The falsification of the breath alcohol breath testing, trying to

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Speaker 4: understand what parts of the country that was in, asking

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Speaker 4: what would be the incentive of doing that, why were

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Speaker 4: they doing that? Is it likely to happen again? So

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Speaker 4: while it's the bits you see reported are the politicized

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Speaker 4: and fiery bits, there's a whole lot going in there

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Speaker 4: where MPs get to ask genuine questions, and usually from officials,

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Speaker 4: not from ministers, to be honest, you get some detailed,

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Speaker 4: good answers that help us.

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Speaker 3: So, Mike, can I just clarify I just want to

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Speaker 3: clarify one thing. I was not invited by the committee

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Speaker 3: to go to scrutiny yesterday. The commissioner was, and that's

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Speaker 3: normally what happens. I approached the committee and said I

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Speaker 3: would like to come in a peer. I think with

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Speaker 3: everything that's gone on with the IPCA report, with everything

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Speaker 3: that's happening, it's important that.

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Speaker 2: I appear in front of the committee.

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Speaker 3: I was not asked, I was not compelled to go.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to correct Ginny's little thing there

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Speaker 3: about me being here for forty five minutes. That's the

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Speaker 3: said I would like to come and peer in front of.

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Speaker 2: The coma fair enough Maorray seats, Jinny, what's the argument

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Speaker 2: in your party for chasing them apart from the fact

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Speaker 2: you want to win it and it's called to win.

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Speaker 2: But if you're looking to up in the government next year,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you be better off cutting a deal with the

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Speaker 2: Murray party getting an overhang because splitting an overhang makes

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Speaker 4: We want to win every one of those seats and

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Speaker 4: we'll be working hard to render wind that we do

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Speaker 4: because we believe that we want to form a government

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Speaker 4: and we want those seats represented by Labor Mardi imps

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Speaker 4: our Malori. Labor Caucus knows that best outcomes for Maldi

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Speaker 4: and when Mardi and Parker and all other people work together,

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Speaker 4: and that gives the best outcomes for New Zealand and

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Speaker 4: the best outcomes for Maldi, and that's what we believe in.

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Speaker 3: I think the best the best outcomes from Mary at

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Speaker 3: the moment is under the current present government. We are

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Speaker 3: with our latest crime stats as assaults serious assaults on

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Speaker 3: Mary have dropped significantly. Education, everything's hidden in the right

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Speaker 3: direction in terms of achievement for for married students. That's

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Speaker 3: what matters. That's what matters, Ginny, not you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Prosecution up under you.

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Speaker 4: The number of Malori being prosecuted has increased under you,

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Speaker 4: disproportionately in some areas, but for low level offending.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, we've.

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Speaker 3: Been very we've been very clear.

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Speaker 1: If you finished, I'd like to Finnish one and then.

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Speaker 3: There will be a sanction for that.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys looking forward to election? You?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yea New Zealand is out there looking for.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, what you realize is

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Speaker 2: why I take a long holiday because.

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Speaker 1: I know that next year I'm going to need it

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Speaker 1: to recharge.

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Speaker 3: My Merry Christmas to you and Kate Mate, I hope

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Speaker 3: it's genuinely. I hope you have a great break over

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Speaker 3: the summer.

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Speaker 2: Where are you going, Ginny.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Castle Point, which is lovely. It's the

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Speaker 1: upper Coast.

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Speaker 2: I know I know where it is, but blowy, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but blowing it is.

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Speaker 1: It's quite nice though.

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Speaker 4: It's got a lagoon area, good s wineries nearby.

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Speaker 1: I quite like the wild weather. So it's nice. Are

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Speaker 1: you going often?

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Speaker 3: Well? Apparently calling to Ginny, I've got a private island

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Speaker 3: in Bali. I wish that was true, but we're going

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Speaker 3: up there for ten days. My daughter and her family

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Speaker 3: live in Dubai, so we are meeting them halfway and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get to see my two year old granddaughter.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's exciting. Now you can't time. Where would you stay?

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Speaker 2: Can by the way, I'm looking to go to do

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Speaker 2: but where would you stay? Whe's a nice place to

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Speaker 2: stay with the pool.

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's there's so much choice. Any of

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Speaker 3: the Emirates Group hotels are fantastic, you know, so Dubai

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Speaker 3: Creek if you go the get to all the odd

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Speaker 3: suits and things like that experience, you go to what

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Speaker 3: he might you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 1: A wig if you go down.

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Speaker 3: Put that up on socials too, mate.

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Speaker 2: Jenny, calm down. Nice to see you, very very merry

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Speaker 2: Christmas to both of you, and happy holidays and all

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Speaker 2: of that will take Thanks for having us on great pleasure,

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Speaker 2: Jenny Anderson.

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