WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 08 June 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.655 You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 0:00:10.855 --> 0:00:14.655 from news Talks at b MEAs or twice god once 0:00:14.975 --> 0:00:18.095 but maybe called Pete first. Peter wolf Camp the Resident 0:00:18.135 --> 0:00:19.495 Builder News Talk said, b. 0:00:22.175 --> 0:00:27.655 The house is a whole, even when it's dark, even 0:00:27.695 --> 0:00:33.055 when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when. 0:00:32.895 --> 0:00:35.055 The dog is too old to bar. 0:00:36.615 --> 0:00:39.655 And when you're sitting at the table trying not to 0:00:39.775 --> 0:00:48.175 stop scissor hole, even when we've a band, even when 0:00:48.295 --> 0:01:03.895 you're therellone, the house SiZ a hole, even when those 0:01:04.135 --> 0:01:06.415 ghost even when. 0:01:06.415 --> 0:01:09.095 You got around from the ones you love your most 0:01:10.935 --> 0:01:16.775 scream broken paints, feel in front the word locals whisper 0:01:16.935 --> 0:01:19.015 when they're gonna leaving the neighbor. 0:01:20.255 --> 0:01:28.575 House, even when wiln even when you're there alone. 0:01:57.015 --> 0:01:59.535 Well, a very very good morning and are very warm welcome, 0:01:59.535 --> 0:02:01.815 although it's not particularly warm in most parts of the 0:02:01.855 --> 0:02:04.895 country today. To you to the news talks of these 0:02:05.055 --> 0:02:08.495 Resident Builder on Sunday show here at Surprising Lead News Talks, 0:02:08.495 --> 0:02:10.655 there'd be a very good morning welcome along one ing's 0:02:10.695 --> 0:02:13.015 Peate wolf Camp the Resident Builder. And it is eight 0:02:13.135 --> 0:02:17.015 minutes after six on as I say, rather crisp or 0:02:17.055 --> 0:02:20.735 in fact in some cases below crisp type temperatures across 0:02:20.735 --> 0:02:24.055 the country, so some roads closed with snow, some beautiful 0:02:24.055 --> 0:02:28.695 pictures of the Central South Island snow cap mountains, lots 0:02:28.695 --> 0:02:31.615 of happy faces for those people involved in the skiing 0:02:31.655 --> 0:02:34.695 industry and winter sports and for the rest of us. 0:02:34.735 --> 0:02:38.095 I guess a timely reminder of the reason that our 0:02:38.135 --> 0:02:39.935 focus over the last couple of years in terms of 0:02:39.935 --> 0:02:43.935 building efficiency has very much been on better insulation standards, 0:02:44.415 --> 0:02:46.855 trying to make sure that at this time of year 0:02:47.015 --> 0:02:50.775 we don't have every single heater plugged in going full 0:02:50.855 --> 0:02:53.655 bore and all of that energy just simply being converted 0:02:53.655 --> 0:02:58.495 to heat and leaking out through poorly insulated walls, ceiling, subfloors, 0:02:59.375 --> 0:03:02.655 through good old fashioned single glazing and around sort of 0:03:02.695 --> 0:03:05.095 poor quality joinery. That's why we do it. 0:03:04.935 --> 0:03:07.135 It works in summer as well well, And this has 0:03:07.295 --> 0:03:10.175 been a subject of a great deal of conversation actually 0:03:10.175 --> 0:03:13.095 over the last couple of days different groups that I 0:03:13.135 --> 0:03:17.215 happen to either been with or being chatting with, focusing 0:03:17.255 --> 0:03:17.895 in on. 0:03:18.615 --> 0:03:20.935 Some of those really big issues. So if you've got. 0:03:20.735 --> 0:03:24.215 A challenge, I was going to say, problem, let's call 0:03:24.215 --> 0:03:26.775 it a challenge. If you've got an issue with part 0:03:26.775 --> 0:03:29.855 of your house, something that's maybe not quite working as 0:03:29.855 --> 0:03:34.015 well as you'd like it to work. Or in doing 0:03:34.095 --> 0:03:38.535 one thing, another thing has become noticeable. You you sort 0:03:38.535 --> 0:03:41.095 of fix one problem and then another problem becomes a 0:03:41.175 --> 0:03:43.575 little bit more challenging. We can talk about all of 0:03:43.575 --> 0:03:46.335 these sorts of building issues and challenges as we go 0:03:46.415 --> 0:03:52.135 through the morning. We are talking building construction, renovations, alterations, products, selection, 0:03:53.095 --> 0:03:57.855 changes to legislation, learning and understanding what the current legislation 0:03:57.975 --> 0:04:00.815 is around what you can do what you can't do. 0:04:01.735 --> 0:04:04.215 Towards the end of last week's show, actually we had 0:04:04.655 --> 0:04:07.815 a reasonably long conversation with a woman who phoned to 0:04:07.855 --> 0:04:11.215 talk about a property that she had only recently purchased 0:04:11.255 --> 0:04:14.655 and moved into that was impacted by flooding just a 0:04:14.695 --> 0:04:17.735 couple of weeks ago, and that sort of started a 0:04:17.775 --> 0:04:21.975 domino effect going well, actually what flooded was the bedroom. 0:04:21.975 --> 0:04:24.735 But when I looked into it, the bedroom was kind 0:04:24.775 --> 0:04:29.495 of like a playroom which had previously been a garage 0:04:30.255 --> 0:04:34.055 which had been converted to a more habitable space. And 0:04:34.415 --> 0:04:38.335 was there a chain that connected the type of work done? 0:04:38.455 --> 0:04:41.775 So was the building done with a building consent? Did 0:04:41.815 --> 0:04:46.095 it need a building consent. Typically in those cases i'd say, well, 0:04:46.095 --> 0:04:49.135 look the change of use triggers a requirement for a 0:04:49.135 --> 0:04:51.575 building consent from sort of a non habitable space to 0:04:51.615 --> 0:04:54.495 a habitable space. Doing a bit of reading around that 0:04:54.735 --> 0:04:57.935 discovered a really interesting document released by in this case 0:04:57.975 --> 0:05:01.735 Auckland Council on some guidance around what you might call 0:05:01.855 --> 0:05:02.455 change of. 0:05:04.215 --> 0:05:04.855 A change of. 0:05:04.855 --> 0:05:08.415 Use and not actually something that triggers a requirement for 0:05:08.415 --> 0:05:11.695 a building consent that particular phrase. So the bit more 0:05:11.695 --> 0:05:15.175 detail on that. Lots of other things do adding insulation 0:05:15.295 --> 0:05:17.735 to the exterior wall, which would be required if was 0:05:17.775 --> 0:05:21.615 a habitable space to do that, that might require building 0:05:21.615 --> 0:05:25.855 wrap around the outside. Taking weatherboards off extensively would trigger 0:05:25.895 --> 0:05:29.015 a requirement for a building consent. Adding a new window, 0:05:29.055 --> 0:05:31.535 for example, into an exterior wall where there isn't one 0:05:31.535 --> 0:05:34.255 there that would trigger a requirement for a building consent, etc. 0:05:34.575 --> 0:05:34.735 Etc. 0:05:35.055 --> 0:05:35.255 Etc. 0:05:35.815 --> 0:05:39.815 And then once the building consent application goes in, it 0:05:39.895 --> 0:05:43.295 might trigger requirements, for example, to ensure that there's some 0:05:43.335 --> 0:05:46.415 sort of water proofing, some sort of membrane to prevent 0:05:46.495 --> 0:05:49.135 moisture coming into the building through the slab. If you 0:05:49.175 --> 0:05:53.735 can't prove that there's one there already, so with an interesting, 0:05:53.775 --> 0:05:56.135 weird discussion. Been to a couple of events over the 0:05:56.215 --> 0:05:57.895 last couple of weeks, and I'll give you an update 0:05:57.975 --> 0:06:02.095 on that also this morning on the program. We raised 0:06:02.095 --> 0:06:05.415 it last week on the show around a brand's survey 0:06:05.495 --> 0:06:08.055 that has recently been released and it got a little 0:06:08.095 --> 0:06:12.295 bit of headlines last week on in media talking about 0:06:12.495 --> 0:06:17.415 essentially like a satisfaction survey or how often do various 0:06:17.495 --> 0:06:21.695 trades get called back after the completion of a new build. 0:06:21.735 --> 0:06:26.775 So a new build is done, owner like yourself, moves 0:06:26.775 --> 0:06:29.135 into the house, how often who do you have to 0:06:29.175 --> 0:06:31.815 call back? And roughly how often? So it turns out 0:06:31.855 --> 0:06:34.815 that close to fifty percent of the time the painter's 0:06:34.855 --> 0:06:36.775 being asked to come back to do some work, forty 0:06:36.815 --> 0:06:39.695 five percent of the time the builder is being asked 0:06:39.695 --> 0:06:43.055 to come back and do some work. And then lists 0:06:43.135 --> 0:06:46.735 most of the trades and kind of gives an indication 0:06:46.815 --> 0:06:49.575 of whether or not. For example, for electricians and plumbers, 0:06:50.255 --> 0:06:53.295 they get called back on about I think it's about 0:06:53.375 --> 0:06:58.215 nineteen twenty five percent of occasions, but they get called 0:06:58.215 --> 0:07:03.575 back often or more often than other trades for a 0:07:03.655 --> 0:07:06.295 problem with an item that they've installed. 0:07:06.495 --> 0:07:08.815 So it might be. I'm assuming that it's something. 0:07:08.615 --> 0:07:11.295 Like a light fitting that doesn't work, or a tap 0:07:11.375 --> 0:07:14.735 that leaks, something like that. So it's not the workmanship, 0:07:14.775 --> 0:07:18.815 it happens to be the product that is involved in that. Anyway, 0:07:18.815 --> 0:07:20.855 there's a lot of detail in this, and so I thought, well, 0:07:20.935 --> 0:07:23.175 let's talk to the people that actually put the survey together. 0:07:23.415 --> 0:07:26.415 So Matt from Brands will be on air a little 0:07:26.415 --> 0:07:28.415 bit later on this morning. Just going through some of 0:07:28.455 --> 0:07:31.535 the fine detail on that, I found it really quite insightful, 0:07:32.095 --> 0:07:36.135 particularly the comment in the sort of summary saying that 0:07:36.815 --> 0:07:41.135 back in twenty seventeen people were more likely to recommend 0:07:41.215 --> 0:07:44.575 their builder to another person and had higher scores with 0:07:44.655 --> 0:07:48.095 how satisfied they were with their builders than they were 0:07:48.255 --> 0:07:51.375 in the more recent survey. And what does that say 0:07:51.815 --> 0:07:57.615 about building construction quality and so on. Maybe that fits 0:07:57.615 --> 0:08:00.615 with your own experience, or maybe it doesn't. We'll soon 0:08:00.655 --> 0:08:02.935 find out. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 0:08:03.095 --> 0:08:05.455 the number to call if you've got a question of 0:08:05.455 --> 0:08:07.935 a building nature. Maybe you've got a project that's underway, 0:08:08.055 --> 0:08:10.135 maybe in the heavy rain. And I've got a text 0:08:10.135 --> 0:08:12.655 this week from someone who I met a little while ago, 0:08:13.175 --> 0:08:14.935 had a look at their house and that sort of thing. 0:08:15.295 --> 0:08:18.175 They went, h okay, we got a little leak after 0:08:18.815 --> 0:08:21.855 what was quite in Auckland anyway, quite heavy rain. This 0:08:22.055 --> 0:08:25.655 was the same band of showers storm system that came 0:08:25.695 --> 0:08:30.615 over and caused some flooding around Topol. You know, it 0:08:31.135 --> 0:08:36.935 was extraordinarily heavy rain on what was it. It must 0:08:36.935 --> 0:08:41.015 have been Wednesday night as it swept across Auckland roughly 0:08:41.055 --> 0:08:43.895 about twenty millimeters in an hour, which is actually quite 0:08:43.895 --> 0:08:46.695 a decent dump of rain. The interesting thing for me 0:08:46.815 --> 0:08:49.295 is the following day I had building surveys on site 0:08:49.375 --> 0:08:51.575 who had to do moisture testing to see whether a 0:08:51.615 --> 0:08:54.455 building was leaking. So I figured, actually, that's about the 0:08:54.495 --> 0:08:56.975 perfect day to get someone in to do some moisture 0:08:57.015 --> 0:09:00.735 testing to determine whether or not the exterior envelope is 0:09:01.215 --> 0:09:04.935 weather tight. Is do that after it's rained cats and 0:09:04.975 --> 0:09:07.655 dogs for the night undred eighty ten eighty, let's get 0:09:07.695 --> 0:09:09.855 into it. If you've got a building question, you can 0:09:09.895 --> 0:09:12.815 call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can text which 0:09:12.855 --> 0:09:16.055 is nine two nine two or ZAIDBZB from your mobile phone. 0:09:16.895 --> 0:09:18.935 I've got the email up and running, so it's Pete 0:09:18.935 --> 0:09:21.695 at Newstalk SEDB dot co dot Nz. So p E 0:09:21.855 --> 0:09:24.655 t E Pete at Newstalok SDB dot co dot nz. 0:09:25.135 --> 0:09:27.855 The beauty of that, just like the email that I'm 0:09:27.895 --> 0:09:30.175 reading at the moment from Peter. 0:09:30.375 --> 0:09:31.135 Actually, there you go. 0:09:31.215 --> 0:09:35.575 Peter emails Peter talking about insulation and he's been able 0:09:35.615 --> 0:09:38.055 to attach some photographs to that as well for my 0:09:40.535 --> 0:09:42.415 Actually we'll take a break. I'll go straight to this 0:09:42.495 --> 0:09:45.815 email because it's not an uncommon situation. But we'll take 0:09:45.855 --> 0:09:48.735 your calls of course this morning on the show, welcome along. 0:09:48.775 --> 0:09:51.335 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:09:52.095 --> 0:09:54.615 Doing of the house storting the garden, asked Pete for 0:09:54.695 --> 0:09:55.055 a hand. 0:09:55.175 --> 0:09:58.295 It's a resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call Oh eight 0:09:58.335 --> 0:10:01.295 hundred eighty NEWSTALGZB. 0:10:01.415 --> 0:10:03.615 Right, the old lines are open nineteen months after six 0:10:03.815 --> 0:10:06.135 eight hundred eighty ten eighty And that's but Shelly. But 0:10:06.735 --> 0:10:09.735 I'm sure that you can stay tucked up in somewhere 0:10:09.775 --> 0:10:11.175 warm and give us a call. 0:10:11.295 --> 0:10:12.135 So the lines are open. 0:10:12.175 --> 0:10:14.775 Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number 0:10:14.775 --> 0:10:17.895 to call morning Peak. Enjoy your show. It's very kind 0:10:17.895 --> 0:10:19.575 of you to say thank you. And I have a 0:10:19.655 --> 0:10:22.495 question which might be a little too complex to verbalize 0:10:22.495 --> 0:10:24.935 on the show. Whilst the plans for the house we 0:10:24.975 --> 0:10:28.775 purchased a few years back stated that ceiling insulation was 0:10:28.855 --> 0:10:32.975 to be one hundred millimeter pads of insulation, the ceilings 0:10:32.975 --> 0:10:37.335 are actually filled with polystyrene chips, as per the attached photos, 0:10:37.575 --> 0:10:39.615 with bags and bags of it left over and just 0:10:39.615 --> 0:10:42.735 suspended in the rafters. The house was built nineteen ninety 0:10:42.775 --> 0:10:46.975 four ninety five and has been signed off by council. 0:10:47.975 --> 0:10:50.855 We have older down lights and the chips encroach on 0:10:50.935 --> 0:10:53.495 the fittings, and also the polystyrone is fused to the 0:10:53.495 --> 0:10:56.495 electric wiring through the roof space. Spoken to the local 0:10:56.535 --> 0:10:59.335 fire service and they haven't encountered this before and couldn't 0:10:59.335 --> 0:11:02.975 comment on the safety of it. Houses two stories, three 0:11:03.135 --> 0:11:05.695 hundred and twelve square meters with a big roof space. 0:11:06.455 --> 0:11:09.095 We need to remove the polystyrene. We wondered if there 0:11:09.135 --> 0:11:11.415 was some way of piping it out, as removing it 0:11:11.615 --> 0:11:13.655 by hand would take many hours. 0:11:14.335 --> 0:11:15.335 Oh yes it will. 0:11:16.135 --> 0:11:18.815 If you have any questions, will require further information. Don't 0:11:18.815 --> 0:11:21.815 hesitate to call and I will reply to your email. 0:11:21.855 --> 0:11:22.055 Peter. 0:11:22.095 --> 0:11:25.055 But it's an interesting one. To be fair, when you 0:11:25.095 --> 0:11:28.055 said that I was fully expecting that the house would 0:11:28.095 --> 0:11:31.295 be of a much earlier vintage that something constructed in 0:11:31.375 --> 0:11:37.855 ninety four ninety five, while the blowing insulation was around. 0:11:38.295 --> 0:11:40.335 Just a little bit surprised that it's still around at 0:11:40.335 --> 0:11:43.775 that time. Here's my story that correlcts with Peters, and 0:11:43.775 --> 0:11:45.655 given that we share the same name, that's fair enough. 0:11:46.975 --> 0:11:48.535 When we bought our house. 0:11:48.255 --> 0:11:50.975 Which was in nineteen ninety six, it's an old villa 0:11:51.895 --> 0:11:58.255 and it had blown polystyrene shredded insulation, so essentially old 0:11:58.295 --> 0:12:01.895 polystyrene chipped up into sort of anywhere between I guess 0:12:02.615 --> 0:12:08.975 ten and twenty five millimeter you know, chips, basically irregular 0:12:09.015 --> 0:12:11.935 sizes and so on, and that had been obviously blown 0:12:12.055 --> 0:12:18.095 into the existing roof because as a retrofit solution, it's 0:12:18.135 --> 0:12:20.255 actually pretty straightforward. You just get up there with a 0:12:20.255 --> 0:12:22.375 great big hose and you just blow the stuff around. 0:12:23.975 --> 0:12:27.575 I wasn't particularly happy with it, and much later on 0:12:27.695 --> 0:12:31.615 we decided that we would remove that and put in 0:12:31.695 --> 0:12:35.775 some decent insulation, which we did. So to your point, Peter, 0:12:35.855 --> 0:12:39.815 if you happen to be listening, we need if we 0:12:39.855 --> 0:12:41.935 needed to remove the polysty and we wondered if there 0:12:41.975 --> 0:12:43.855 was some way of piping it out, as removing it 0:12:43.855 --> 0:12:46.615 by hand would take many hours. I wish I had 0:12:46.615 --> 0:12:48.775 have figured out a way of piping it out as well, 0:12:48.975 --> 0:12:52.095 or probably more to the point, had the resources at 0:12:52.095 --> 0:12:54.935 that time to employ someone to do it. I didn't, 0:12:55.335 --> 0:13:00.215 so I ended up with lord knows how many black bags, 0:13:01.095 --> 0:13:03.895 a pan and shovel, and at one stage actually I 0:13:04.095 --> 0:13:08.735 used what ended up becoming a sacrifice garden vack, so 0:13:08.895 --> 0:13:11.095 I would scoop up the bulk of it just with 0:13:11.175 --> 0:13:15.335 a pan and shovel, and then I would fill the 0:13:15.375 --> 0:13:17.735 garden bags up. I ended up actually taking a sheet 0:13:17.775 --> 0:13:19.815 of iron off the roof so that I could get 0:13:19.855 --> 0:13:21.775 it out easier than trying to get it out. 0:13:21.575 --> 0:13:22.695 Through the various. 0:13:24.335 --> 0:13:28.015 Through the access panel, which was difficult to access despite 0:13:28.015 --> 0:13:30.815 being an access panel. And so took a sheet of 0:13:30.855 --> 0:13:33.535 iron off, scooped up the material, put it into a 0:13:33.535 --> 0:13:36.295 black plastic bag rubbish bag, tied a knot in it, 0:13:36.615 --> 0:13:40.455 biffed it out. I ended up filling basically a horse 0:13:40.495 --> 0:13:46.335 float full of that product and black plastic bags. And 0:13:46.375 --> 0:13:49.095 then to try and get the remainder of the bits 0:13:49.095 --> 0:13:52.535 and the crevices and so on, I used and destroyed 0:13:52.695 --> 0:13:56.455 a garden vacuum to do that, it was a. 0:13:56.375 --> 0:13:58.655 Terrible, dusty, disgusting job. 0:13:58.975 --> 0:14:02.255 There are actually companies that will come in with proper 0:14:02.695 --> 0:14:05.895 apparatus with a big hose attached to a vacuum or 0:14:05.935 --> 0:14:09.375 a extraction unit mounted on a trailer on the back 0:14:09.415 --> 0:14:11.175 of the truck and go through and suck it out. 0:14:11.895 --> 0:14:16.135 So back to Peter's point, I mean it does have 0:14:16.175 --> 0:14:19.575 an insulation value. It does work as an insulation, and 0:14:19.615 --> 0:14:22.295 I guess one of the only advantages to it is 0:14:22.615 --> 0:14:25.015 it does tend to fill all of the spaces and 0:14:25.175 --> 0:14:28.615 insulation works much better if it's complete. The problem is 0:14:28.655 --> 0:14:31.895 if you've got old incandescent down lights, the old traditional ones, 0:14:32.495 --> 0:14:34.615 it needs to be away from that. And yes, you're right, 0:14:34.655 --> 0:14:38.335 there is a concern around it adhering to your insulation 0:14:38.575 --> 0:14:42.895 or to the polystyrene insulation, adhering to the electrical cabling, 0:14:43.495 --> 0:14:45.775 and you'll find that even when you go through and 0:14:45.855 --> 0:14:48.975 remove it, you'll find some pieces are actually literally bonded 0:14:49.335 --> 0:14:53.015 to the sheathing on the electrical cable, which is not ideal. 0:14:55.255 --> 0:14:57.655 So yeah, there are teams that will come and do it. 0:14:57.775 --> 0:15:03.415 I would probably if you can safely and comprehensively remove 0:15:03.455 --> 0:15:06.655 it have a team come in extract it from the 0:15:06.735 --> 0:15:11.695 roof and replace it with good quality insulation. Ideally, given 0:15:11.975 --> 0:15:14.575 the photographs that you've sent me of the conventional trust 0:15:14.655 --> 0:15:21.015 roof to come through, do a layer of insulation that 0:15:21.095 --> 0:15:23.455 sits on top of the ceiling bat and comes up 0:15:23.455 --> 0:15:25.295 to the height of the bottom cord of the trust, 0:15:25.575 --> 0:15:29.095 so probably one hundred millimeters, and then ideally do another 0:15:29.175 --> 0:15:32.375 layer over the top of that at ninety degrees that 0:15:32.455 --> 0:15:35.295 then goes over the top of all of that timber 0:15:35.695 --> 0:15:37.695 that is part of the bottom cord of the trusts 0:15:37.935 --> 0:15:41.455 and that stops some thermal breaks. And if you can 0:15:42.295 --> 0:15:47.215 take out those conventional incandescent down lights, replace them with 0:15:47.615 --> 0:15:51.175 energy efficient LED lighting. And you'll also find that the 0:15:51.335 --> 0:15:54.535 LED lighting, depending on which one you get, can either 0:15:54.535 --> 0:15:58.095 be enclosed or abutted, so you can either a butt 0:15:58.295 --> 0:16:01.375 the insulation up to the fitting, which means you don't 0:16:01.415 --> 0:16:03.535 have lots of gaps in your insulation which means it 0:16:03.575 --> 0:16:07.215 doesn't perform particularly well, or in some cases and you 0:16:07.255 --> 0:16:11.335 have to check the individual fittings, you can and close 0:16:11.415 --> 0:16:13.615 the insulation so you can butt up to it, and 0:16:13.655 --> 0:16:17.655 then another layer of insulation can go over the top, 0:16:18.735 --> 0:16:21.975 which is great. So the more comprehensive, the less gaps 0:16:21.975 --> 0:16:25.095 you have in your insulation, the better it works. And 0:16:25.135 --> 0:16:27.775 we know that you need to keep a gap around 0:16:28.215 --> 0:16:31.895 insallation of downlights early ones, so you can get rid 0:16:31.935 --> 0:16:33.975 of those gaps makes a huge difference to the insulation. 0:16:34.295 --> 0:16:38.615 Someone helpfully has just called through and said the a 0:16:38.775 --> 0:16:44.975 company that does this is called fluff Busters. So fluff Busters, 0:16:45.335 --> 0:16:49.015 fluff Busters, Good on them. I think that's that'd be 0:16:49.015 --> 0:16:51.775 a great opportunity. So Peter, I will reply to your email. 0:16:51.815 --> 0:16:53.535 But there you go, this bit of information for you 0:16:53.655 --> 0:16:56.695 as well. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number 0:16:56.735 --> 0:16:58.495 to call. Got a couple more texts, but I'd prefer 0:16:58.535 --> 0:17:01.735 a call I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Let's talk 0:17:01.815 --> 0:17:06.215 all things building, construction, legislation, product choices, and you know, 0:17:06.455 --> 0:17:11.495 necessary upgrades. You know what was reasonable let's say ten 0:17:11.575 --> 0:17:14.495 years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, forty years ago, 0:17:14.575 --> 0:17:17.135 fifty years ago, is probably not what we expect from 0:17:17.175 --> 0:17:20.375 our buildings today. I had the privilege yesterday of going 0:17:20.415 --> 0:17:24.935 through a house that is up for sale owned by 0:17:24.935 --> 0:17:28.455 the same family for a number of years, partly a 0:17:28.615 --> 0:17:32.895 very beautiful old villa that has remained untouched for seemingly 0:17:32.935 --> 0:17:35.375 the last I think the last building consent, the last 0:17:35.415 --> 0:17:37.935 actual building work was done sometime in the nineteen fifties, 0:17:37.975 --> 0:17:39.975 so a little bit of a time capsule. But then 0:17:40.055 --> 0:17:42.175 you take that building and you go, what are we 0:17:42.215 --> 0:17:44.095 going to do with it now? I eight hundred, and 0:17:44.135 --> 0:17:45.415 you might be in the same place. What are you 0:17:45.455 --> 0:17:47.455 going to do now? I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 0:17:47.455 --> 0:17:48.695 That's what you can do. You can give me a 0:17:48.695 --> 0:17:50.255 call twenty seven minutes after. 0:17:50.095 --> 0:17:53.535 Six whether your painty was ceiling, fixing weres, or wondering 0:17:53.575 --> 0:17:55.655 how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter 0:17:55.735 --> 0:18:00.015 wolf Gaffer call on eight eighty, the resident builder on 0:18:00.095 --> 0:18:00.855 News Dog z B. 0:18:02.375 --> 0:18:04.775 And I have to say too, I went along to 0:18:04.815 --> 0:18:10.655 the Radio Awards, which was lovely to go on Thursday evening, 0:18:10.775 --> 0:18:13.735 and so listening to that report they're talking about. Actually 0:18:13.815 --> 0:18:16.655 was delightful to see Heather's award being presented in the 0:18:16.695 --> 0:18:18.695 fact that she had decided not to go to the 0:18:18.775 --> 0:18:22.535 awards and continue working, so complete surprise for her to 0:18:22.575 --> 0:18:27.375 get the saw Sir Paul Holme's Award for Outstanding Broadcasting. 0:18:28.015 --> 0:18:31.815 But see Neva Rtteman, who recognized and also Daniel who 0:18:31.935 --> 0:18:35.655 voiced that had some recognition as well, which is lovely. 0:18:36.295 --> 0:18:38.855 So to see the I suppose the face behind the 0:18:38.895 --> 0:18:40.095 voice is always quite a pleasure. 0:18:40.695 --> 0:18:40.975 Yeah. 0:18:41.215 --> 0:18:44.695 Oh eight D eighty is the number to call Debbie. 0:18:44.735 --> 0:18:45.575 Good morning to you. 0:18:46.535 --> 0:18:47.895 Good good morning, how are you morning? 0:18:49.975 --> 0:18:55.095 Delightfully so I think you at to bring it on now. 0:18:55.175 --> 0:18:58.295 I've just meved into a new house, and the smaller 0:18:58.335 --> 0:19:02.495 house a couple of things needed doing, but one I'm 0:19:02.535 --> 0:19:07.095 looking at putting a deck on more of aly using 0:19:08.415 --> 0:19:14.975 outside area. Sure, I've paid three four quotes. The square 0:19:15.055 --> 0:19:20.175 metage of the deck is around about forty square meters, 0:19:22.255 --> 0:19:25.295 and I'm not they're all going to say. 0:19:26.455 --> 0:19:29.695 Queer quila yepe. 0:19:30.815 --> 0:19:34.935 What do you recommend is the best one to go for? 0:19:35.175 --> 0:19:40.655 Because most of them are saying clear And the average 0:19:40.695 --> 0:19:43.775 price that I'm getting quotes for was about twelve to 0:19:44.015 --> 0:19:44.655 three thousand. 0:19:46.815 --> 0:19:52.335 Okay, that's probably not. I mean often I'm a bit 0:19:52.375 --> 0:19:56.655 reluctant to sort of comment on pricing because you know, 0:19:57.015 --> 0:19:59.015 I don't know what the site access is, like, how 0:19:59.095 --> 0:20:02.935 high the deck is, whether there's some demolition work to do, 0:20:02.495 --> 0:20:04.775 does the deck require a hand raute? 0:20:05.375 --> 0:20:06.935 Is it more than a meta off the ground. 0:20:06.975 --> 0:20:13.255 Okay, that's great. I think the best thing is that 0:20:13.295 --> 0:20:16.375 you've got three prices, right, so it gives you a comparison. 0:20:16.855 --> 0:20:20.095 Hopefully the prices are reasonably detailed so they explain what 0:20:20.175 --> 0:20:26.095 they're going to do. Look, Queiler is often the kind 0:20:26.095 --> 0:20:28.735 of you know, first cab off the rank in terms 0:20:28.775 --> 0:20:34.335 of it's readily available, we know its reputations, it is 0:20:34.455 --> 0:20:38.375 hard wearing, et cetera, et cetera. So people go, okay, 0:20:38.535 --> 0:20:42.335 I can get Queler easily. It's reasonably competitive in terms 0:20:42.335 --> 0:20:47.295 of pricing, so let's wack down some Quealer. And certainly 0:20:47.295 --> 0:20:49.455 I've got nothing against it. I haven't used it for 0:20:49.495 --> 0:20:52.695 a number of years. The last one that I did 0:20:52.775 --> 0:20:58.015 I used Vitex, which is a similar It's another hardwood. 0:20:58.055 --> 0:21:02.255 Obviously it's an important hardwood. So I used vytext decking 0:21:02.495 --> 0:21:05.255 because I wanted a wider board, and also it was 0:21:05.295 --> 0:21:09.775 readily available and it doesn't bleed out. The issue was 0:21:09.975 --> 0:21:13.335 sometimes with Queeler at the very beginning is it will 0:21:13.375 --> 0:21:17.615 stain right, so it'll leach out. You can deal with that. 0:21:17.775 --> 0:21:20.575 It just don't put it on the driveway, don't put 0:21:20.615 --> 0:21:22.895 it next to a path. Initially, those sorts of things, 0:21:22.975 --> 0:21:27.815 So there's that. There's also you know, we often tend 0:21:27.815 --> 0:21:33.935 to discount using softwords like New Zealand pine, but if 0:21:33.975 --> 0:21:38.175 you get a decent quality New Zealand pine, and there 0:21:38.215 --> 0:21:40.175 is a bit of variation in terms of the quality 0:21:40.175 --> 0:21:42.495 of the timber. If you get a good quality New 0:21:42.615 --> 0:21:45.255 Zealand pine and you look after it, I put a 0:21:45.255 --> 0:21:47.615 sealer coat on it, you know, pretty much straight away, 0:21:49.295 --> 0:21:52.655 and so on. It's also I think it looks okay. 0:21:53.455 --> 0:21:56.335 You might find if budget is an issue, you could 0:21:56.335 --> 0:22:00.695 save a little bit of money using some pine, but 0:22:00.735 --> 0:22:04.335 then you will I would always recommend for hardwoods as well. 0:22:04.375 --> 0:22:07.695 I would still recommend putting on some sort of sealer, 0:22:07.855 --> 0:22:11.455 like a penetrating oil stain. After the timber has been 0:22:11.495 --> 0:22:13.735 exposed for a little while, give it a thorough clean, 0:22:13.975 --> 0:22:17.375 and then keep some sealer on it that'll protect it 0:22:17.415 --> 0:22:20.495 long term. Talk to the guys about how they're going 0:22:20.495 --> 0:22:23.495 to fix the deck down. Typically today we would do 0:22:23.695 --> 0:22:27.135 stainless steel screws to fix it down. Just make sure 0:22:27.135 --> 0:22:29.135 that that's in their pricing as well, because there is 0:22:29.175 --> 0:22:31.535 a little bit of a difference between I mean, look, 0:22:31.575 --> 0:22:35.535 I've seen some softwood decks and pine decks being nailed 0:22:35.535 --> 0:22:39.255 down with gun nails right, and it just looks really shonky. 0:22:39.375 --> 0:22:44.335 To be fair, it's fast and it's cheaper hopefully, but 0:22:44.495 --> 0:22:47.015 it doesn't look great. So will they screw it? What 0:22:47.055 --> 0:22:50.455 type of screws will they use? Nothing wrong with quila, 0:22:50.615 --> 0:22:52.255 but you might want to have a look, even if 0:22:52.295 --> 0:22:55.335 you take yourself down to the local timber merchant and 0:22:55.375 --> 0:22:57.935 have a look. The difference between queller and maybe a 0:22:58.015 --> 0:23:01.175 v tex. There's not a lot in terms of New 0:23:01.295 --> 0:23:06.015 Zealand hardwoods around. I've used eucalyptus, but I'm not sure 0:23:06.055 --> 0:23:10.335 how common that is to get it anymore. And then 0:23:10.495 --> 0:23:13.255 there are composites as well. If it's like in a 0:23:13.335 --> 0:23:16.975 shady area or you're worried about the slip resistance, there 0:23:17.015 --> 0:23:17.695 are composites. 0:23:18.135 --> 0:23:19.415 It tends to push the. 0:23:19.375 --> 0:23:22.375 Proce slip resistance. 0:23:25.135 --> 0:23:29.775