1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the ones 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise on. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: The huddle with me. This even got Jack Tame, host 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: of Q and A obviously Saturday Mornings here on Ziby, 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: and Thomas Scrimer of The maximums ju'de hire you too. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 3: Kel hit me welcome back, Thanks very much, Jack. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: How are you finding it? 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 4: You're getting some sleep? 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: It's yeah, yeah, some sleep. It's the broken sleep. Hey, 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: it's not the lack of sleep, it's the broken sleep. 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know 12 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 4: what you're about, because. 13 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: I feel like you've optimized parenting in a way that 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: I haven't needed. 15 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 4: I'm sleeping on a completely different level. 16 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: I'm like, Dad's up there with the baby and she 17 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: only wakes up one time a night, So that's pretty 18 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: pretty awesome. 19 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: I don't even care. It's not my problem. 20 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got ahead of us. Yeah, well I do. 21 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: I do. I do if I've got a big day 22 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: the next day. But you know, I want to be 23 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: a supportive partner. 24 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 4: So what do you think you can you breastfeed? 25 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: No, but I can change nappies. 26 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh, you don't change the nappies in the night anymore, 27 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: do you. 28 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we mate, isn't he. 29 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Two months two months out immediately? Unless he does a pooh? 30 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: Well he does do pooh oh. 31 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: No, you got to stop that. 32 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: I don't know how you stop a baby doing post wow. 33 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: You've got to have a chatter about this nonsense anyway, 34 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: regular Yeah, Thomas, listen, I don't have a problem with 35 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: that spend from Wellington Water, do you. 36 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Well. 37 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 5: I think the principle to keep in mind is don't 38 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 5: commit two crimes at once. They can spend all of 39 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 5: these things on wellness for their employees. It might be 40 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 5: reasonable enough, but they're already pretty unpopular. Was just reading 41 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 5: today there was a stench wafting across the Wellington CBD. 42 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 5: So if they want to be seen to be reliable 43 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: to the public, things like this don't look good when 44 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 5: they're not delivering their core business. But the spend per 45 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: employee wasn't that high. 46 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel jack like nowadays, I mean, look, 47 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: I don't get this kind of nonsense at work, Like 48 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: we don't have that kind of money in the media. 49 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: But nowadays, if you're working in this kind of any 50 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: area where it's public, public money. 51 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: That is probably quite normal, isn't it. 52 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think, look, I think that there is a 53 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: balance to be had, right and I at the start 54 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: of the interview, I was like, there is no possible 55 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: explanation for why Wellington Water has spent money on these 56 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: things that is that is gonna fly. And then as 57 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: soon as Pat was actually transparent about it, I was like, well, 58 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: I suppose if your staff are out there all day, 59 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: every day and you've got a system whereby they can 60 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 3: go and get a mold check, it's hardly like that 61 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: the you know, the biggest, most lucrative Yeah, exactly. It's 62 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: not like a champagne brunch for three thousand people or 63 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: anything like that. But it just shows the importance transparency, right, 64 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: So you know, they have a massive job on the 65 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: hands at the moment, Like you say, you know, rates 66 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: and Wellington have shot up across the region. They're spending 67 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars a year a year, and 68 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 3: you would think that in the interest of transparency, would 69 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: be in their interests to go through every single little 70 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: bit of expenditure with a fine tooth comb and be 71 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: one hundred percent transparent with people so that no one 72 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: gets in their head, you know, perhaps some incorrect idea 73 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 3: that actually their rates are being flushed down the toilet. 74 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think tonight in that interview in particular, 75 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: and great example why transparency matters. You just hope that 76 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: next time we in the media don't have to keep 77 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: on asking questions and demanding transparency, that actually they're a 78 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: little more proactive and it sounds from Pat's comments, but 79 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: that's what they're prepared to do. 80 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: And would be a good idea. 81 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: Thomas Listen, I'm kind of surprised by the level of 82 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: vitriol that's being directed at Andrew Little. I would have 83 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: thought he would be a reason, like just the fact 84 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: that he's competent would make him a better choice for 85 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: mayor of Wellington, wouldn't. 86 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: Well. I think what's happening here is that Labor are 87 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 5: taking the fight to the Greens. Chris Hopkins comes out 88 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: pretty quickly and endorses Andrew Little. He's a big name 89 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 5: from Labour's front bench. There was speculation the other week 90 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 5: that Craig Rennie might be running for an electorate seat 91 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 5: next election, so Labor are wanting to cement their place 92 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: as the left party in New Zealand. So Little doesn't 93 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 5: really have any friends. From the right still the labor 94 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 5: guy who's jumping into local politics, and from the left 95 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: he's cutting Toriy Fano's lunch. And so he's a big name. 96 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 5: He's got a good chance to run in but yeah, 97 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 5: he's not going to be popular in certain sectors. 98 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack will get your take on it when we 99 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: come back from the break. 100 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty achieve extraordinary 101 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: results with unparallel. 102 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: Reach back with the Huddle, Jack, Tam Thomas Scrimger, Jack, 103 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: this is the kind of thing I'm getting hither the 104 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: issue for Andrew Little, Lizz although he has a big name, 105 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: many people will still be triggered by the fact that 106 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: he was part of the Jacinda regime and they haven't 107 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: forgotten the current state that we're in. 108 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I would say 109 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: that our dourn government had a whole lot more support 110 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: in Wellington than it might have had in other parts 111 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: of the country. But it's interesting, you know, I just 112 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: reckon Andrew Little has already done what it's supposed to 113 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: be the hardest job in New Zealand politics. Which has 114 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: been the leader of the opposition. Well, I disagree. I 115 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: think the mayyor of Wellington is the worst job of 116 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: New Zealand politics right now. But the thing is, if 117 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: you look at the current state of the council, like 118 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: the role of the mayor isn't just to provide leadership, 119 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: but it is to try and build consensus around that vision, 120 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: right and clearly for some time now there's been an 121 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: issue with that in Wellington politics. So you look at 122 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: someone like Andrew Little, he probably is much more of 123 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: a relative centrist compared to Torrey Fano, right, So you 124 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: would say, is Andrew Little more likely to build consensus 125 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: with center right members of that council? Maybe he is. 126 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: Maybe he is. I think I think that's a good 127 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: reason to think he could be. So yeah, I actually 128 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: think you know, if Wellington voters are looking for someone 129 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: with you know, pretty extensive history in governance, but also 130 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: someone who's likely to be able to form some relationships 131 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: with either a National led or a Labor lead government 132 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: in central government, then Andrew Little might be a pretty 133 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: popular option. And you know, you've got to remember too 134 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: that Wellington has the STV voting system, so it's kind 135 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: of hard to work out these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 136 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: The other the one I always reckon to watch though, 137 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: Ray Chung last time, counselor Ray Chung last time. He 138 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: did pretty well in the mural contest, and you know, 139 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: early pol suggests that he's still a pretty popular option. 140 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you why that was. That was because 141 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: there was no other right wing candidate. And now there's 142 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: an Andrew Little Little cutters lunch because he's kind of 143 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: that's true. 144 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've just answered the main question there. Andrew 145 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Little probably can soak up some of that boat. 146 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 147 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: Now, Thomas, listen, how much out of ten are you 148 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: loving the Mary Parties idea to give Mary the pension 149 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: ten years before everybody else. 150 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: Well, for my part, I can't really see any way 151 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 5: that dividing superannuation by race will be good for the country. 152 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 5: If you want to talk about fairness with super that's 153 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 5: fair enough. Their argument is is that Mary don't live 154 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 5: as long as other ethnicities in New Zealand, so they 155 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 5: get less superannuation. Superannuation, but there are other ways to 156 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: talk about fairness. I mean, women live on average two 157 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 5: years longer, but even in terms of life expectancy not 158 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 5: the best way to think about super I used to 159 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 5: work a manual labor job. Now I work a fake job. 160 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 5: When I did a manual labor job, I couldn't do 161 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 5: that till I'm sixty five, if I could do what 162 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: I currently do for longer than that. But if you 163 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 5: want to talk about fairness, I think the argument I 164 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: would put forward is go all the way means test superannuation. 165 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: Oh stop it, Thomas, cut it down. 166 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: Twenty dollars a year. It is half of all welfare 167 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 5: spending in the country. 168 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Heather people new people into means testing a like you 169 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: mentioned pension, and you'll somehow manage to find a way 170 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: to talk about means testing again. 171 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: I had no idea you were such a big state 172 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 5: left winger wanting to give a universal bennit. 173 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: But that's because I'm greedy. You should never underestimate my 174 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: ability to be greedy. I want my money back, Jack, 175 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? I mean, I'll tell you what. 176 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: What perplexes me about this is like, this idea is cooked, 177 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: so obviously what labour should do the minute they're asked 178 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: about it is be like, no, that idea is cooked. 179 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: We're not going to do it. 180 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Yet Babs, who's the finance spokespusoness I and I'm not 181 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about it. 182 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: Why doesn't she just come? 183 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: Okay? As for that is the idea cooked? I mean, 184 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: there's no way it's politically palatable. I think we can 185 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: all agree on that. I think the equality versus equity argument, 186 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: especially when it comes to something like super is like 187 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: a really personent and reasonable argument to have. And if 188 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: you could have it in good faith, which I don't 189 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: think we can, I think it'd be a really good 190 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: debate to have. Now, I'm not saying I support the 191 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: idea of assigning superannuation on the basis of race, but 192 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: I do wonder if you could kind of front end 193 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: the equation, so say, for example, like, what is it 194 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: why is it that Mardi a dying seven years younger 195 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: on average? What can we do earlier in their lives 196 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: so that more Maldi live longer and that actually we 197 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: have something akin to a more equal life expectancy across 198 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: a multitude of New Zealand demographics. Politically labors in a 199 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: really tricky position, and I just think this is going 200 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: to become more and more of a problem heading into 201 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: next year to Party Maudi have had a whole lot 202 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: of success in terms of public support when it comes 203 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: to what is generally a pretty kind of activisty approach 204 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: to policy, Like they're pretty out there, they're pretty activisty 205 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: with some of their ideas, whether it's a Mahordi parliament 206 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: or whether it's superannuation earlier for Maudi, Labour need to 207 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: keep to Party Malordi close enough so that they could 208 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: potentially form a government, but not so close so that 209 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: the kind of centrist New Zealand voter loses faith than 210 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: the stability of a Labor government or thinks that they're 211 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: going to be unduly influenced. So it is a really 212 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: really delicate balance and it wouldn't surprise me if over 213 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: the next week, while at least until closer to the election, 214 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: Labor just says we're not really going to comment on 215 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: to Party Malori policy. We're going to have our own policy. 216 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: If you want Labor government, vote for Labor, And you 217 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: know that's going to be a harder position to maintain 218 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: the closer we get to the election. 219 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree. 220 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Well, guys, thank you very much, really appreciated Jack tame 221 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: host a Q and eight Saturday Morning is your Own 222 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: new Stooks, the'd be and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximums. 223 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 224 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: news Talks It'd Be from four pm weekdays. Follow the 225 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.