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Speaker 1: Now Health New Zealand, Hey jesz, these guys just can't

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Speaker 1: cop a break for reasons to do with their own incompetence.

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Speaker 1: They are under fire again for spending sixty two thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars for catering a three day conference of three hundred

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Speaker 1: health leaders. The bill included cannapas for nine thousand bucks.

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Speaker 1: It was thirty odd dollars each per head. The food

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Speaker 1: bill was sixty two thousand dollars. That included two buffet breakfasts,

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Speaker 1: two morning teas, two lunches in the cannapase and on

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Speaker 1: top of that the venue higher costs of the cake

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Speaker 1: tin came in at another sixty thousand dollars. Now joining

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Speaker 1: us on this is David Wills, the National director of

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Speaker 1: the Nurses Society. Hi, David Clara, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of this?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a bad look more than anything else,

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Speaker 2: particularly in current circumstances. I mean, they spent, according to

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Speaker 2: the figures that we've got from AORA, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars on that venue and the conference, that's

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Speaker 2: about the equivalent of hiring one nurse, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: But from a bout point of view, it's a bad

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Speaker 2: look in the current circumstances, And obviously I don't think

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Speaker 2: they'd do it now. It would be much better to

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Speaker 2: do a meeting like this online, like a lot of

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Speaker 2: other meetings that they've regularly had.

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Speaker 1: Why they do it even then, I mean the way

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Speaker 1: that you no disrespect for you to you, But the

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Speaker 1: way you've answered that question, it sounds like they know

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Speaker 1: they're in the struct now and they didn't know they

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Speaker 1: were in the stock. Then they knew full well that

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Speaker 1: they were in the financial stock, then they shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: done it.

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Speaker 2: Then. Yeah, it's a fair criticism that, well, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: do it now because they're under extra pressure with the

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Speaker 2: need to get under their or their budgets supposedly overspent

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Speaker 2: by one point seven million at the moment, billion over

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Speaker 2: at the moment.

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Speaker 1: But the only difference between now and then is that

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Speaker 1: we know this publicly, how much financial trouble are barren.

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Speaker 1: They already knew it when they were holding the conference.

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Speaker 2: Certainly at that stage it was becoming clear that there

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Speaker 2: were problems, mind you. I mean, we don't see the

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Speaker 2: problem as an overspend vite to fudder or generally it's

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Speaker 2: a question of underspending the sense that they hired more

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Speaker 2: staff than they have budget for and they delivered more

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Speaker 2: services than they've got budget for, and that they think

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Speaker 2: them in a very difficult situation, both with the government

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Speaker 2: and generally. So it wasn't a question that you know,

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Speaker 2: there was extravagant spending of this hype across the board,

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Speaker 2: but you don't want to give ammunition that you don't

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Speaker 2: want to make pr mistakes like this, and a conference

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Speaker 2: like this was it essential? Arguably not. Could they have

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Speaker 2: done it online? Three hundred leaders brought together for a

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Speaker 2: meeting over three days with the minister. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: it was ill advised.

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Speaker 1: David. What was the point of the conference, Well.

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Speaker 2: I was supposedly bringing together the Hair three and key

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Speaker 2: force for business managers for who are now in full

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Speaker 2: time positions and roles. Given it's eighteen months down the

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Speaker 2: line at that stage from the restructure, so supposedly a

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Speaker 2: meeting to discuss a whole lot of plans going forward

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Speaker 2: here the Minister and such like. Arguably could have been

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Speaker 2: done online. They've done a lot of online meetings since

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Speaker 2: their establishment. We've been on the receiving end of some.

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Speaker 2: It's the sensible way to.

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Speaker 1: Go all right, David, I really appreciate your time. Mate

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Speaker 1: that David Wills, who is the national director of the

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Speaker 1: Nurs's Society. Look, I don't care about spending thirty bucks

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Speaker 1: ahead on cannapes, right, that's probably what I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't regularly. I don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: I don't regularly cater cannapes on mass at people. But

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Speaker 1: it's probably around about what you would expect to pay

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Speaker 1: I per head for Cannapase. My problem is why they're

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Speaker 1: having a conference at all. The conference this is apparently

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Speaker 1: what it was about connecting with our strategic context means

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Speaker 1: understanding the priorities from our authorizing environment. This includes the

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Speaker 1: Minister of Health and our board chair speaking to the

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Speaker 1: expectations of us as a system. I would have thought

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Speaker 1: it was pretty simple. What the expectations of us as

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Speaker 1: a system is do some hip operations, do some knee operations,

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Speaker 1: try not to kill people, hire some nurses. Don't blow

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Speaker 1: your budget? Like?

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Speaker 2: How hard?

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Speaker 1: Why do people need to get together all the time

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Speaker 1: for just random weird meetings about stuff. It happens in

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Speaker 1: every workplace ever, a meeting about this? Why you know

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Speaker 1: what your job is? Just do your bloody job anyway.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like maybe the solution to this

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Speaker 1: is just to go. You know what, conference is canceled,

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Speaker 1: No more public sector conferences. You want to have a conference,

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Speaker 1: have a teams meeting the end. Who would solve this problem?

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Speaker 1: You don't need cannapase for a teams meeting anyway, would

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Speaker 1: be a hard time if I was your finance minister.

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Speaker 1: As you can see, so I'm not for multiple reasons.

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