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Speaker 1: After the apology comes to the redress. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: can already sense the feelings around the artworking so that

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Speaker 1: the abuse and state care survivors are waiting for the

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Speaker 1: government's next steps and what they look like. Criminal barrister,

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Speaker 1: former lake Alis Detainey Rosemary Thompson is well, this's Rosemary,

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Speaker 1: very good morning to you. Y's Kira, Mike, how do

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Speaker 1: you feel about yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Well, could I first of all acknowledge all the survivors

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Speaker 2: of the institutional abuse in New Zealand and which includes

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Speaker 2: those who are still with us and those who are

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Speaker 2: no longer with us. And also I'd like to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: all those who have fought over the years for justice

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Speaker 2: and some have been fighting for nearly half a century.

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Speaker 2: And these include survivors but also importantly supporters, including journalists. Now,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the apology yesterday, there's no criticism of

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Speaker 2: the apology. It's very falsome as really, as you say,

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Speaker 2: what happens next and the response by the survivors to

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Speaker 2: the apology really falls into two camps. There are those

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Speaker 2: who are cynical who do not believe there's going to

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Speaker 2: be meaningful redress based on the fact there's been no

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Speaker 2: action in the past, and those prepare to give the

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Speaker 2: government the benefit of the doubt and want to see

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Speaker 2: what happens in the new year.

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Speaker 1: What do you do I mean, I have absolutely no

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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that this government is good to

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Speaker 1: its word. You may not like what they come up with,

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Speaker 1: but they're good to their words. Surely most of us

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Speaker 1: would agree with that, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely would agree with that. So both camps would

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Speaker 2: agree that redress is urgent because the survivor is getting

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Speaker 2: older and in general they're not in good health. And

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Speaker 2: as I said, obviously it's appropriate to give the government

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Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt, and they've got that opportunity,

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Speaker 2: and they've asked that they'd be given to the new

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Speaker 2: year to work on redress. And ultimately it remains to

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Speaker 2: be seen, obviously, but it's important because it was, as

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Speaker 2: you say, it was given in good faith in Parliament

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Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister, supported by Cyndy cabinet ministers and

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Speaker 2: supported by the leader of the Opposition. And as I said,

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Speaker 2: give them the benefit of the doubt and look forward

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Speaker 2: to positive resolution.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will get to the Prime Minister to tell

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Speaker 1: you when that's coming. After seven thirty this morning, Rosemary,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Rosemary Thompson, who's criminal barrister former Lake elis detaining.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd be churlish, and some people are to

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Speaker 1: be frank that yesterday was in any way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form anything other than hand on heart, the right and

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Speaker 1: proper thing to do and delivered with dignity. For more

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