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Speaker 1: H Are you too, Josee, you buy the wonky fruit?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I just buy fruit generally. I don't

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Speaker 2: think about it. But I do wonder about this statistic

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Speaker 2: because I actually spent the weekend cleaning out my spice

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Speaker 2: and I chucked them all out, So I think that

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Speaker 2: accounts for about one point too many tons on its own.

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Speaker 1: Did you taste it first to see if it was

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Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I'm not going to taste mixed spice

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Speaker 2: and cardamen raw on my tongue.

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Speaker 1: How do you know it's How do you know you

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Speaker 2: Are you going all greeny on me, Heather?

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Speaker 1: I just don't like.

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Speaker 2: I just want new spices and new herbs. And I'm

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Speaker 2: actually sort of hard to find it hard to get

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Speaker 2: really upset about this. I mean, yes, we shouldn't waste food,

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Speaker 2: and I have a compost and all of that, but

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Speaker 2: trade blocks, God knows what else I'm not I'm struggling

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about lim. I just reckon that there's

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Speaker 1: like myself who are like, give me your wonky fruit

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Speaker 1: and charge me forty percent less. And I'm sitting here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. We live in

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Speaker 3: a market economy, right And you know, one of the

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Speaker 3: greatest strengths of market economies, you know, for their drawbacks

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Speaker 3: the reason why we waste less food than other countries

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Speaker 3: like it's the idea that you can just magically move

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Speaker 3: that you can turn it away is actually a sign

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Speaker 3: of prosperity. I'd like us they have more food waste

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Speaker 2: We're already eating the wonky fruit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we are, like you literally are are you

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Speaker 1: what do you think of this key we saver policy

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Speaker 3: I think it's good policy, it's inevitable, it's probably the

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Speaker 3: we have to do the national superannuation too. But look,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'm forty, I'm forty next next year,

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Speaker 3: I was against it when it came out, but it's

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Speaker 3: because it's just too politically impossible to really reform superannuation.

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Speaker 3: This is the step in the right direction. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure how politically popular it's going to be, if you

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it's it is taking money out

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Speaker 3: of your week to week paid. You're telling people that

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if it's great politics, but it's

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Speaker 3: good economics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Liam's onto something which is Joseph,

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Speaker 1: which is that it is going to have to save us,

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Speaker 1: probably from the pension situation. But it's only going to

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Speaker 1: save us if we make a compulsory Are you okay

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Speaker 2: So I'm not in favor of making it compulsory for

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Speaker 2: two reasons. One is that sometimes businesses want to just

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Speaker 2: running can we say the campaign pay parntal lead campaigns

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Speaker 2: and so on? Four weeks minimum annual leave. Then that

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Speaker 2: It's what Australia did one of the reasons they're richer

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Speaker 2: than us and paper rentally is a good idea and

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Speaker 2: so four weeks annually. So good to hear you agree

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Speaker 2: with that, Comrade Liam.

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Speaker 3: Well persue, the politics of it is anything rather than offend.

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Speaker 3: There soon to be retiring boomers, right, so I think.

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Speaker 1: Liam, I don't want them to touch my pens, and

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Speaker 4: Lest the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 4: only truly global brand.

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Speaker 1: Right back with the huddle. Limb here and Joseph Accarney. Liam,

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Speaker 1: you'll have seen the Taxpayers Union Curier poll about the

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Speaker 1: inflation adjustment on the CGT and then everybody likes it.

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Speaker 3: They definitely won't do it, and don't give them too

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Speaker 3: much credit for that, because national really have missed the

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Speaker 3: is that parties of you know, both political parties, both

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm pretty sure the economics of their

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Speaker 3: So just just my way in hell that said, it's

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Speaker 3: completely fair. It's it's it's completely fear to do it.

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Speaker 3: They should be doing that for income tax as well.

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Speaker 1: What's completely fair.

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Speaker 3: That's completely fair to index it for inflation. We shouldn't

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Speaker 3: But there's too much money and governments will never give

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Speaker 1: You'd agree that agree with that a Josie, Well.

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Speaker 2: Not, but everybody wants to pay less tax, right, So

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Speaker 2: and but Liam, you're right that if you're going to

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Speaker 2: do it for income tax too and that. But the

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Speaker 2: problem then is that we always have a political debate,

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Speaker 2: don't we about fiscal drag and whether or not to

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Speaker 2: say we're going to now do inflation indexing for every

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Speaker 2: you've got to work out what you're going to cut.

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Speaker 3: One correction, it's not about paying less, it's about paying

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Speaker 3: the same. It's not wanting to pay more. That's the

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Speaker 3: whole point of the indexation is to keep it real

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Speaker 2: But there is always a debate, isn't there a monk

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Speaker 2: to have sort of bring in the brackets and adjust it.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that those have to be

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Speaker 3: But it is done elsewhere, It's under the United States,

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Speaker 1: Liam, can you explain why everybody's heading on in New

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Speaker 3: Week or well, you know, like you get Josey to that,

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Speaker 1: Okay, go Josie. Why is everybody in New Zealand this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Oh? God, where do I start? So the service is

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Speaker 2: bloody awful? I mean, you go on, I've had flights

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Speaker 2: and I'm a great stand of air chatterms, I have

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Speaker 3: Liam.

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Speaker 1: Do you fly the Orange Bird?

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Speaker 2: Yes, a lot.

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Speaker 1: About too though. How far away are you from flying

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Speaker 3: the need when the competition they they up their game

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Speaker 3: that that you know, you can only ever periodically you

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, there's certain structure all there

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Speaker 3: that has to be looked at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can I say one thing, Heather. They're also changing

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Speaker 2: that the miles frequent miles plans, and so you can't

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Speaker 2: the Corrow clubs who hoover the free food, but the

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Speaker 2: all blacks for autographs. That's stealing that away from us.

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Speaker 2: Now it's going to make it harder, not fair.

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Speaker 1: I know, everything everything good. First they took the newspapers,

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Speaker 1: then they took the cups that you could take on

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Speaker 1: the plane. Now they're taking the current club away all together. Guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks very much, appreciate it. JOSEPHGANI Liam here are huddle for.

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