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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tam podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Now that she's back in the act, must be drops

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Speaker 2: Jupiter in her head?

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Speaker 3: Tell me did you sell a cross?

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Speaker 4: Did you make it through the milky way?

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Speaker 3: See the lights are feeding?

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Speaker 4: And then having his own raider, tell me did you

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Speaker 4: bump on shootings.

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Speaker 2: On my Dona Prondens coming?

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Speaker 3: Then you miss me while you're looking for yourself out.

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Speaker 2: There, mord in a good morning if you're just turning

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Speaker 2: on the radio, Jack Tae with you through the midday,

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Speaker 2: That of course has drops of Jupiter by Train. I

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Speaker 2: Train just have a knack for writing incredibly catchy songs.

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Speaker 2: It's a kind of signature blend of rock and pop

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Speaker 2: and chart topping hits that you probably know every single

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Speaker 2: word too. And great news Trainer coming to New Zealand

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Speaker 2: later this year. Trained from and Pat Monahan has been

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Speaker 2: the man behind the mic since way back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three. And it's with us this morning, count of

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Speaker 2: good morning, how you, I'm very well, thank you. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to begin without getting too nostalgic and without making

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Speaker 2: you feel too old to to ask you to cast

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Speaker 2: your mind back a little bit. You have just celebrated

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Speaker 2: the thirtieth anniversary of Train, So are you able to

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Speaker 2: distill the magic? What is it about Train and writing

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Speaker 2: and performing music that has allowed you to endure?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's it's my passion to be

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Speaker 3: competitive and also my open mindedness to really love new.

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Speaker 4: Music all the time.

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Speaker 3: And there was a time when we started to Train,

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Speaker 3: and I was very critical of other music because I

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Speaker 3: was so competitive. And it was also during a time

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Speaker 3: of like shelf space, where we were selling CDs and

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Speaker 3: if somebody was in that space, you didn't get that space.

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Speaker 4: And so that was a different time.

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Speaker 3: But now it's much more of a community of there's

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Speaker 3: so much to love, why not just love through it

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Speaker 3: and learn from it? And I think that that's what

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Speaker 3: I continue to do and it's helped me. Like I

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Speaker 3: listened to a lot of hip hop, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I can't I can't write those songs, but I can

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Speaker 3: definitely enjoy them. And there's always great new artists from

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Speaker 3: all over the world that I like to try to

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Speaker 3: connect with.

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Speaker 2: How do you find new music?

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Speaker 3: You know, back in the day, people would make playlists,

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Speaker 3: and now Spotify has a lot of playlists so they've

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Speaker 3: learned from old school techniques of how to get people engaged.

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Speaker 3: And so there are times where I'll find something like

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Speaker 3: there's a Montreal band that I love that I found

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Speaker 3: and then played it for my sixteen year old daughter

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Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, yeah, I know that band. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes it comes from my kids. I have a thirteen

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Speaker 3: year old son who's listening to you know, basically classic

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Speaker 3: heavy metal right now, and then my daughter's listened to

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Speaker 3: everything new. So I just keep having kids to turn

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Speaker 3: me on to new music. So maybe when i'm a

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Speaker 2: Do they ever shame you? Do they ever say, come on, dad,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean you don't know this band? Dot dot?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty funny, like they do love what I do,

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Speaker 3: but it wouldn't be their top list, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was a teenager saying to my dad, oh,

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Speaker 2: you've got to listen to this band. You've got to

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Speaker 2: listen to this band, and he sort of never gave

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Speaker 2: later he came back to me and he said, I've

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Speaker 2: the called cold Play, And I was like, well, I

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Speaker 2: was like, Dad, that's what I told you two years ago.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't, you know, he was never open minded

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Speaker 4: Be bringing him anything. I get it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just got a text right when we started

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Speaker 3: this zoom that Drops of Jupiter has just hit one

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Speaker 3: So those are also pretty fun little things that keep

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Speaker 4: Congratulations, Yeah, it's a pretty cool thing.

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Speaker 3: Let's say Soul Sister was a billion a few years ago,

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Speaker 3: and this is the second one for Train, and it's

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Speaker 2: I actually checked Soul Sister's numbers right before dialing into you.

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Speaker 2: One billion, seven hundred and sixty one million, three hundred

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: You got You got to get busy when we get

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So who text you?

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Speaker 4: My manager? He just texted me.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that happens to Spotify? You know, do

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Speaker 2: they stream ceiling or something?

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Speaker 3: They send an embarrassingly large plaque that has a you know,

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Speaker 3: and uh, I've never hung one, but you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe there's a there's a place for it somewhere at

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Speaker 2: So do you feel then that you no longer need

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Speaker 2: to be competitive? I mean those numbers are I don't.

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Speaker 4: I will never feel that way.

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Speaker 3: What is that I'm even you know competitive with workouts,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I don't want to work out ever,

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Speaker 3: I never want to do it, but when I'm in it,

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Speaker 3: I want to try to do it the best I

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Speaker 4: And it's the same way with music.

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Speaker 3: Like I've been working on a Broadway musical for five

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Speaker 3: years and I've learned a little bit of language about Broadways.

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Speaker 3: So when someone says that's incredible, that means rewrite that.

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Speaker 3: And I'm learning as I go that you can't quit.

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Speaker 4: You have to just keep working through it.

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Speaker 3: And that's not something that I want to learn, but

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Speaker 3: it's probably good for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So people don't give you honest feedback necessarily, or it's

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Speaker 2: kind of it's veiled.

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Speaker 4: It's veiled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they want you to be encouraged but then they

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Speaker 3: want you to rewrite it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, you're so close but so far away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's not they're not saying, oh that's that's unique,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah is it? Do you find yourself kind of humbled

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Speaker 2: when you're in that environment when you're writing and you're

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Speaker 2: you know what I've just I've just ticked over a

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Speaker 2: million streams for Drops of Jupiter. I'm almost a two

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Speaker 2: million for Hayesol System. Maybe I do actually know how

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't really need humbled. I don't feel

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Speaker 3: like I've ever had a problem with humility. I come

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Speaker 3: so none of us were able to be too sure

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Speaker 3: of ourselves. But I do need ten minutes, Like I

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Speaker 3: just saw on Instagram, if somebody really pisses you off,

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Speaker 3: take ten minutes.

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Speaker 4: Before you respond. And that's what I'll do. I'll take

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Speaker 4: a walk and then I'll come back and get to work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's very wise. So can you tell us about

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Speaker 2: the musical litt All and the Sure.

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Speaker 3: It was a movie with Mark Groffalo called Begin Again.

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Speaker 3: John Carney wrote it the same writer as like Once

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Speaker 3: and Sing Town and so this is. They asked me

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Speaker 3: to write all the music for it. I think there's

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Speaker 3: one or two pieces of music from the movie that

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Speaker 3: will stay and everything else I've written with my two bandmates.

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Speaker 2: How different is it writing writing for that, writing for

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Speaker 2: Broadway versus writing for train right?

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Speaker 4: Incredibly different.

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Speaker 3: It'd be like you saying, will you write a song

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Speaker 3: for me to sing to my significant other? But here's

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Speaker 3: what I want them to know, and then I write

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Speaker 4: Based on that, which is much.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it would be easier because it's a

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Speaker 3: direct assignment, but it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty difficult.

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Speaker 2: So if you are competitive when it comes to music

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Speaker 2: and it comes to writing and streams and success, what's

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Speaker 2: Paton Monahan like at boll Game night.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd rather be playing golf than anything, so but

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Speaker 3: I but I you know, I do play.

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Speaker 4: Golf in cards. Have you ever heard of cards? It's

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Speaker 3: It goes fast, You're playing nine holes and you should

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a fun little game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that sounds a glass of wine and we're

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Jack Tame on news talk ZB. I

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Speaker 2: am speaking to Pat Monahan, founder and lead singer of Train,

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Speaker 2: ahead of their New Zealand performances. Obviously, being competitive has

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Speaker 2: has paid off when it comes to music, because I

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Speaker 2: mean Training has a just ridiculous success over the last

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Speaker 2: few decades. All of the album's streams, singles, success awards,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Do you know when you have an absolute

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Speaker 2: top tier hit? Do you know when you're writing you're

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Speaker 2: going through the process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've never known everything I think will a

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Speaker 3: hit is awful and no one cares about it. And

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Speaker 3: then songs like Drops Jupiter that was very strange that

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Speaker 3: people responded to it, and then a Yuku Lele and

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Speaker 3: then a song about you know, fifty ways of say goodbye,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you're breaking up with your girlfriend, so

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Speaker 3: you tell your friend she died. Like all the weird

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Speaker 2: It's that funny, so good for anyone who doesn't know

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Speaker 2: the story. Do you mind telling us. When you're writing

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Speaker 2: Hey Soul's Sister, how you you were kind of there

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Speaker 2: but not quite and then what pushed it over the

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Speaker 2: line and made it the earworm that it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I wrote with a couple of guys from Norway in

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Speaker 3: New York City. We had already written a song that day.

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Speaker 3: I had already written a song with someone else called

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Speaker 3: if It's Love. And then I went down to another

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Speaker 3: studio in New York and we were writing Hey Soul's

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Speaker 3: Sister and on guitar, and it was fine, and all

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Speaker 3: the vocal parts were done. But then listening back to it,

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Speaker 3: it was like, I mean, it's it's fine. And then

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Speaker 3: one of the guys picked up a ukulelean just story

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Speaker 3: bring and I was like, whoa, I think maybe we

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Speaker 3: just got it. Yeah, ukulele can change the atmosphere within

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Speaker 3: a room pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I like, it's just it's like ninety

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Speaker 2: five percent of the ingredients are there and it just

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Speaker 2: takes one little thing to push it over the edge

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Speaker 2: and then they can be the little thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right now.

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Speaker 2: I know you've been touring a fee a bit lately.

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Speaker 2: You've had a very been very busy of the last

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Speaker 2: twelve months or so throughout the UIs tell us about

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand show. I know so many people here

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Speaker 2: are just delighted that you're going to be back down under.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very excited. I think it's been too many

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Speaker 3: years that we haven't been in Auckland. And my wife

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Speaker 3: and her family drank so much New Zealand Sauvignon blanc

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Speaker 3: that they said you better go and bring a bunch back,

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Speaker 3: and so like Kim Crawford and Cloudy Bay, and I

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Speaker 3: very refreshing and I don't know if there's alcohol in it.

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Speaker 3: I've never never found that out, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: there is. And you know, the people of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: are just lovely. I have many friends that are Australian

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Speaker 2: Well, we're delighted that you're going to be here. We're

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Speaker 2: going to have all the dates on our website and

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Speaker 2: all the very best pat and make sure you carve

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Speaker 2: out a couple of days so perhaps you can make

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Speaker 2: it down to Marlborough and New Zealand and enjoy a

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Speaker 2: couple of bottles as there. I would love that fantastic training.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be in New Zealand, playing Auckland's Town

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Speaker 2: Hall on May twenty eighth. You can get your tickets

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Speaker 2: through Ticketmaster or of course, you can search for train

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Speaker 2: on the Auckland Live website for more.

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