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Speaker 1: Jason Wall's political editor, Welcome you to the show. You

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Speaker 1: don't have a news talk bpin on to you.

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Speaker 2: If I had a newstalk z B pin, it would

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Speaker 2: be the only thing I'd be wearing all not the

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Speaker 2: only thing I'd be wearing. No, that's not what I meant.

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Speaker 2: I meant that I would be wearing it at all times.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you have a baseball cap? We can do

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Speaker 1: that for you if you want. Do you understand we

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Speaker 1: can do you a baseball cap. We can do you

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Speaker 1: a puffer, but it's also got gold sport on it.

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Speaker 1: Would you like that?

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Speaker 2: God send me some merch gone.

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Speaker 1: I can just say, Jerry Browne's big crackdown on the

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Speaker 1: pelpins seems to be a overreach.

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Speaker 2: You think so, Yes, I think that it was pretty

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Speaker 2: petty by all sides in the house today. I mean,

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Speaker 2: no one's happy, especially not Jerry Browne, especially not with Seymour.

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Speaker 2: You know, let me run you through what happened, because

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Speaker 2: the sort of two issues that happened in the House today.

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Speaker 2: The first is what you alluded to pingate, and the

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Speaker 2: issue has been sort of boiling away for a few

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Speaker 2: days now, and it started when a contingent of Act

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Speaker 2: in National MP's pointed out that in the House that

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Speaker 2: tie party Marti and p Hannah Rafati might be. Clark

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Speaker 2: had party stickers on her laptop, just saying to Aarti

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Speaker 2: Mardi on the laptop or something like that. Now, Parliament's

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Speaker 2: rules me that you're not actually allowed to display party

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Speaker 2: logos in the house. So you know, is it the rules? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is it patty to snatch also yes? I think so.

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Speaker 2: Today Act MP's were all wearing Act Party lapelvins in

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Speaker 2: the House, but the Speaker was having none of it.

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Speaker 3: Mister Speaker, the members displaying a badge that i've an

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Speaker 3: earlier session said we'd remove people from participating in the

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Speaker 3: question time. I don't want to cost the Greens question,

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Speaker 3: but I'd suggest that another minister from the government might

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Speaker 3: now answer the question.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour wasn't happy about this surprise surprise have listened

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Speaker 2: to what he said.

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Speaker 5: Mister Mallard clearly rules that pins were exempt from that

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Speaker 5: ruling in twenty eighteen. If you are seriously saying that

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Speaker 5: you're not going to let people ask and answer questions

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Speaker 5: in this House because they're wearing a pin, has that

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Speaker 5: been allowed to for year after year, I think more

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Speaker 5: and more people are going to ask what your priorities

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Speaker 5: actually are.

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Speaker 2: But that's exactly what happened. Jerry Brownly's rulings stood and

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Speaker 2: the act Minister was given an ultimatum that was Karen

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Speaker 2: shaw before take off the pin or lose your ability

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Speaker 2: to answer questions. So they didn't budge, which led to

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Speaker 2: an incredibly awkward moment when the Green MP wanted to

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Speaker 2: ask a question to Karen Shaw up Instead of taking

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Speaker 2: off the pin, the question went to Louise Upstin from

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Speaker 2: the Government instead. So it was a point of principle

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Speaker 2: for the Act Party. Was it a good hill to

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Speaker 2: die on? No, it looks pretty petty. And even if

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Speaker 2: they're right, old Speakers' rulings do say you are allowed

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Speaker 2: to wear a party pin. It's not against the rules.

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Speaker 2: It does look a bit silly. But meanwhile there was

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Speaker 2: another stoush brewing. David Seymour was also upset over with

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Speaker 2: the Speaker over another matter. According to a letter that

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Speaker 2: he had sent to the Speaker last week during a

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Speaker 2: Select Committee hearing into the repealing of the seven Double

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Speaker 2: A Act, the repealing of in the Oranga Tamariki Act,

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Speaker 2: opposition MPs suggested removing act MP Laura Trusk as the

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Speaker 2: subcommittee chair because, and I quote from the letter here,

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Speaker 2: it is alleged that our opposition members said people will

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Speaker 2: be very stressed giving evidence on seven double A when

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Speaker 2: most submitters will be marty. It would be better to

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Speaker 2: have someone chairing who is marty or pacifica, as they

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Speaker 2: won't recognize themselves in you. Now, this didn't end up happening.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit of a debate, but Laura Trust

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Speaker 2: remained the chair. Seymour nonetheless complained to the Speaker and

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Speaker 2: the Speaker didn't budge then either. Now Seymour brought this

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Speaker 2: up in the House today and this prompted a fiery

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Speaker 2: response from one Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 6: Mister Speaker, what we've just seen from a minister in

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Speaker 6: the government is an absolutely outrageous attack on the Speaker

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Speaker 6: of the House. Now, I appreciate your being very restrained

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Speaker 6: and your response to that, but you would be well

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Speaker 6: within your rights to censure David Seymour for this. This

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Speaker 6: is directly questioning your ruling as a speaker.

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Speaker 2: So Actor zero from two today, but I'm sure they'll

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Speaker 2: be back to do battle with the speaker.

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Speaker 1: Very soon and we've got a Green and PA who

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Speaker 1: said something silly.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, So this is the comment that was made in

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Speaker 2: the house last night.

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Speaker 7: I want you to ask yourself, would you rather be

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Speaker 7: walking down a dark allie and see a Patch member

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Speaker 7: or a police officer? For many people in New Zealand,

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Speaker 7: they would feel safer alone with a Patch member than

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Speaker 7: the police. And we need to ask ourselves.

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Speaker 2: I could so that was Green MP Cahurrangi Kata, and

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Speaker 2: I think some people might prefer to see Sorry, it

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Speaker 2: was her saying that people might prefer to see a

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Speaker 2: Patch gang member. Now, some people might be like that,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's the overwhelming amount of people

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Speaker 2: in this country. Now. Someone who did take exception to

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Speaker 2: this was Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 6: The very suggestion is repugnant and apparently the Green Party

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Speaker 6: aren't sure.

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Speaker 2: So my colleague Demelza Jackson asked co lead to Chloe

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Speaker 2: Swarbrick if she stood by the comment, and then hit

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Speaker 2: her with a curve ball at the end to have

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Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 4: The point that Kapungikata was making is that very clearly

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Speaker 4: the police and mini state agencies do not have the

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Speaker 4: trust of many of our communities, particularly Mary communities. So yes,

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Speaker 4: I absolutely do stand by those comments, and I would

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Speaker 4: actually call upon all members of Parliament and all members

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Speaker 4: of the Press Gallery who challenge those comments to go

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Speaker 4: out and talk to Mardy communities who hold those views.

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Speaker 2: Suits comes your dance.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of contextual and variable victors, John, A.

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Speaker 2: Lot of contextual factors. For Chloe Swarwick. If she was

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Speaker 2: walking down a dark alley and there was a choice

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Speaker 2: between a patch gang member and a cop, I wonder

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Speaker 2: what those contextual elements are.

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Speaker 1: Oh, dear goodness man, thank you so much. Jason war

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Speaker 1: was our political editor.

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