1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Jason Wol's our political editors with us. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Hey, Jason, good afternoon. Has So it's the big switch. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Over this weekend from Winston Peters to David Seymour and this. 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: But a lot has been made about where the things 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: are going to change. But I don't think much is 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: going to change to. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: You, most people that are not. In fact, everybody living 8 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: outside of the Beltway won't. It'll be exactly the same, 9 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: and maybe a few people inside the Beltway will be 10 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: able to detect some small little differences. But I mean, listen, 11 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Winston Peters has been the Deputy Prime Minister for eighteen 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: months and the world hasn't fallen to pieces. Everything has 13 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: been relatively fine. He's done exactly what he said he's 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: going to do as the deputy Prime Minister. And I 15 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: think one part of this is that Winston sticks so 16 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: religiously to that coalition agreement that I know there was 17 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: some scuttle bug about him wanting to maybe potentially look 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: at another election or a snap election. All nonsense. Winston 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: is he sticks to that coalition agreement and he sticks 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: to it like it is the legal document that it is. 21 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, because Seymour has taken some heat from 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: the likes of Chris Hipkins saying how he's going to 23 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: take the country backwards, et cetera, et cetera. Fill in 24 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: the blank here. But speaking to Chelsea Daniels on the 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: Front Page podcast, Seymour returned fire in quite an interesting 26 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: way that only I think David Seymour could. 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: Would you roll out working with Hipkins? Well, the difference is, 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: I don't need to say it. Look, I mean, this 29 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: is a guy who was the police minister when the 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: crime got out of control. He was in charge of 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: the COVID response, which speaks for itself. He was the 32 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Minister of Education when kids stopped going to school on 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: mess and he was the Minister of Health when the 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: health budget went up sixty percent and the outcomes got worse. So, 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: you know, this guy has got the opposite of the 36 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: Midas touch. I think they call him a Pooh Midas 37 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: and he's suddenly done some damage. 38 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: It's just it's such a silly little comment that it's 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: just it's David Seymour to a t. You know. So, no, 40 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: the world is not gonna set on fire on Saturday 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: tomorrow when Seymour takes over. In fact, you probably won't 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: notice a difference. Hey, what is this bill? 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: It just explained to me what this bill around the 44 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: deep fake aar eye content is going to do. 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: It's an interesting one. So it's Laura McClure, so you 46 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: might not have heard of her before. She's a relatively 47 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: new act MP, and she's got this member's bill in 48 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: the ballot, so it doesn't really have at the moment 49 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: much of a chance of being pulled. The bill is 50 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: to expand existing laws around revenge porn and intimate recordings 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: to ensure that those who produce or share deep fakes 52 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: without the consent of the person involve face criminal accountability. 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: And it would also ensure that the victims of this 54 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: have a clear pathway to seek redress and the removal 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: of said harmful content. Now, Laura spoke about this a 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: few weeks ago in the house and she did something 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: rather unusual when she was speaking, Have a listen. 58 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: This image is a naked image of me, but it 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: is not real. This image is what we call a 60 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: deep faith. It took me less than five minutes to 61 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: make a series of deep fakes of myself, so. 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: It was quite the scene in the house. As she 63 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: stood up with an A three photo and held up 64 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: this naked photo of herself. It was blurred so you 65 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: couldn't see anything. So it was and it was, and listen, 66 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: you might be asking why haven't I heard about this before? 67 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: It came like a couple of hours after Brook van 68 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: Velden dropped the sea bomb in the house, so it 69 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: was kind of swept under the rug. But I thought 70 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: it was quite a good speech and quite good to 71 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: shine light on something like this, because it was quite 72 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: a moment in terms of she just said, you know, 73 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: I made this in a couple of minutes, and then 74 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: she kind of talked about how she'd been contract contacted 75 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: by numerous families and young people who have been victim 76 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: of these sorts of deep facts. Have a listen for 77 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: the victims. 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: It is degrading and devastating. It even gives me that 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: it having to stand here in Parliament and hold up 80 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: a photo of myself knowing that it's not me, but 81 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 4: that it looks exactly like me. 82 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: So her struggle now is it's in the member's ballot, 83 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: which is the biscuit ten where somebody draws it out 84 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: at random, so it could sit there for years. But 85 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: she's she's going behind the scenes asking a number of 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: members from other political parties to support it, and she 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: only needs sixty one non executive MPs, that is, non 88 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: member m non minister rather members of Parliament to support 89 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: her to actually get it onto the debate and bypass 90 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: the biscuit tent altogether, or it could be picked up 91 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: as a government bill. However, the Justice Minister said that 92 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: this is not their intention at this time. So I 93 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: think it's a great initiative, and as she says, it 94 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: only it only takes a couple of lines being added 95 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: into the Crimes Act to actually stop this from happening. 96 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: And I think as we see the rise of these 97 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: deep fakes and these AI videos, I think it's something 98 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: that we really seriously need to be looking at. 99 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: What's the coalition's reluctance to back it. I mean, it 100 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: seems to me it could potentially be the bandwidth that 101 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: it takes to do this when they already have a 102 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: very very high workload. It could be the police resources 103 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: that would be tied up. 104 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Do you know, I don't. All I got from the 105 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: Minister's office is it's not our intention at this time, 106 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: and I'm hoping we've got with talking about it like this, 107 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: we put it a little bit more pressure on the 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: government to actually give a good answer and actually saying, 109 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, I think this is a good use of 110 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: the government's time in parliament's time. 111 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: All right, Jason, thanks very much, appreciate your time. 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