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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Edbly came like a bolt from the blue earlier this

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Speaker 2: week that New Zealand Rugby was taking in the OS

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Speaker 2: to court over unpaid sponsorship in the OSS, ditching the

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Speaker 2: deal with New Zealand Rugby a good three years early,

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Speaker 2: citing market conditions reports seducing that in THEOS came with

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Speaker 2: perhaps a settlement offer of some kind of New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Rugby that was rejected and now into court we go,

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Speaker 2: or at least the court process has started from New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby. Plenty to get stuck into on that matter

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Speaker 2: with Mark Robinson, along with other rugby topics, and so

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Speaker 2: grateful to have New Zealand Rugby Chief Chief Executive Mark

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Speaker 2: Robinson with us on the program this afternoon. Mark, thanks

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Speaker 2: for your time.

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Speaker 3: To be with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, plenty to get stuck into. But two cracking games

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Speaker 2: to start Super Rugby last night. The competition has got

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Speaker 2: off on a great note.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, absolutely delighted. You know you're right, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get this charm come over to Sydney at

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Speaker 3: the moment, about to keep back home to that game

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Speaker 3: at Eden Park tonight. But clearly the game in christ

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Speaker 3: You sounded amazing from the hearts I've seen it was,

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Speaker 3: it was fantastic and then absolute flat in Sydney here

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Speaker 3: and I think it's reflective of the whole pre season

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Speaker 3: to be honest, Elliott, We're really delighted as it relates

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Speaker 3: and certainly built on you know, that digital presence we've

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Speaker 2: That continues tonight and into the season. Look big news

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Speaker 2: this week, Mark Robinson that New Zealand Rugby launching legal

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Speaker 2: action against any Aneso one of your major sponsors or

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Speaker 2: were one of your major sponsors. When did you get

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Speaker 2: a feeling this was heading south?

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Speaker 3: The obviously some conversations through the behalf of last year,

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Speaker 3: So we're working at this a little while and obviously

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Speaker 3: disappointed that it's gone to this stage where everything else

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Speaker 3: by the same hope and we have to work quickly

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Speaker 3: to protect their commercial interests in the wider game. So

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Speaker 3: you know, we're incredibly confident that we have absolutely delivered

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Speaker 3: we're over so well is this.

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Speaker 2: Do you buy the excuse that it's market conditions.

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Speaker 3: That's the end prospective? Earlier, you know, we've been overwhelmed

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Speaker 3: were offering partnerships. And I'm up to the UK on

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Speaker 3: it's you know, we're focused on is obviously getting a

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Speaker 2: They say they tried to set all what were the

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Speaker 2: terms and why did you turn that down?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure you know that I can't answer that, Elliott,

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Speaker 3: But look, we as I said, I've been working on

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Speaker 3: but look, I'm not going to commody more than that.

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Speaker 2: Do you regret the deal with any of us?

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Speaker 3: No? Look, you go onto these things very much. What

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Speaker 2: Have you heard from them since you know the league

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into you know the details

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Speaker 2: How do you fill a hole that has now been

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Speaker 3: Oh, I like I say, we're really pleased with the

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Speaker 2: How long you obviously mentioned you're going to the UK

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Speaker 3: Well, we're always, we're always in the market having conversations

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Speaker 2: You mentioned you've had communication from companies and your other

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I mean, I think we've been really

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Speaker 3: and we believe we've stayed true to those. We've belve

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Speaker 3: So now, look, I think that this is just a

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Speaker 3: We'll do that in a respectful way that's constructive and

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Speaker 2: Sports This afternoon on News Talk ZB Mark. The all

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Speaker 2: Black Sevens Black Fans Sevens teams going to wear the

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Speaker 3: He's always going to be just a few things in

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Speaker 3: these situations and just have to keep weaking through. So

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Speaker 2: That in a wider sense, how is the sports sponsorship market?

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Speaker 2: Because we hear about tightening belts and various things and

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Speaker 2: Is it a healthy sporting market that you're trying to

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Speaker 3: Well, I think across the country there'd be different views

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Speaker 3: but there's probably slightly more challenging at home. But overall,

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Speaker 3: the potential partnerships is really positive.

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Speaker 2: Market seems to a topic that continually raises its head,

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Speaker 2: So let's get stuck into it. Eligibility once again, use

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Speaker 2: Ritchy Monger won't be coming back home, perhaps as earlier

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Speaker 2: Where are we at?

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Speaker 3: No, We're very clear the current policy we had, this

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Speaker 3: for very good reasons. It's probably not appropriate for me

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Speaker 2: And a new boards not going to change that.

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Speaker 3: You don't think, no, there's been no conversations on this

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Speaker 3: he has been no signal, but there's something they want

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Speaker 2: Obviously a big time in rugby at the moment the

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Speaker 2: the World Game always a big topic around that bit.

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Speaker 3: I think in terms of the vision for what we

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Speaker 3: continuing those discussions. But as it relates to the general

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Mark, Obviously, broadcast deal is overrching and still

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Speaker 3: Again, obviously can't talk too much more about that nearly.

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Speaker 2: Final question, Mark Robinson, so grateful for your time. Look,

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Speaker 2: like him to be back on New Zealand Rugby's books

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. New Zealand Rugby chief executive What are we

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Speaker 2: fifteenth of February and plenty of rugby issues to get

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Speaker 2: might be more appropriate for in the Austin said, there's no

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