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Speaker 1: Twenty one away from six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: On the Huddle of This This Evening, David Farrer, QB

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Speaker 1: Blog and Curia and Jack Tame, host of Q and

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Speaker 1: A and Saturday Mornings on Newstalk z'd be high you guys, hello,

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Speaker 1: think he's onto something? David? What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I think he's absolutely right. You can go

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Speaker 3: with conservatism nimbiism. The thought that came to me is, Heather,

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Speaker 3: and you used to live in Wellington when you were

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Speaker 3: a back younger, is the Wellington Hurban Motorway, right? You

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Speaker 3: would think it'd be impossible not to have a motorway

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Speaker 3: and to the Wellington capital. Let me tell you that

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Speaker 3: one of whom in motorway would never have got consented

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Speaker 3: today because do you.

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Speaker 4: Know what they did?

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Speaker 3: They look, they plowed it through four hundred grades. Could

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Speaker 3: you imagine today someone proposing anything that moved even one grade?

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Speaker 1: The home suggesting then that the no thing is a

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Speaker 1: recent advent.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's definitely got worse. I think some

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Speaker 3: of the complacency has always been there, But I think

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Speaker 3: it definitely has got worse where Ah. Look, we all

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Speaker 3: know we need more renewable energy. Everyone says it every

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Speaker 3: time you go out and say, you know, someone wanted

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Speaker 3: to put one turbines at Bearing here, perfect place for

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Speaker 3: windy Willington and a few dozen people who lived on

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Speaker 3: the other side of the harbor. I said, oh, and

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Speaker 3: I might spoil my view, and we didn't get her

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Speaker 3: one turbines.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why are we doing this? Jack?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I think the conservatism point is a really good one.

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Speaker 4: And really we don't think of ourselves as being conservative,

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Speaker 4: but there are a lot of good reasons to be

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Speaker 4: conservative about New Zealand. There's a lot of good stuff

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Speaker 4: that we don't want to change. I reckon, personally we

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Speaker 4: are less No Zealand than are maybe, oh, year on,

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Speaker 4: or let me think about it. Oh hang on, let

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Speaker 4: me just refer that to the appeals court or perhaps

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Speaker 4: yeah Zealand, Yes, that's the thing, right, Yeah, well it's

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Speaker 4: almost it's actually in some ways it's more painful, like

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Speaker 4: take the take the urban way for example, Like we

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Speaker 4: got there in the end, but the process for getting

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Speaker 4: there was painful, right, And I reckon, maybe this is

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Speaker 4: one of the big things we need to change. We

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Speaker 4: just need to be more assertive in making these decisions,

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Speaker 4: so when we do choose to support something, we get

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Speaker 4: it done much faster.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the other thing is I was thinking, David,

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Speaker 1: is we actually are genuinely very nice people and we

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Speaker 1: don't want to offend people. We don't want to cause upset.

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Speaker 1: So when twelve people are upset about the windmills, we

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Speaker 1: got on. But look, maybe it's not worth it. Just

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Speaker 1: don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, look you touch on saying worth being Australian. I've

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Speaker 3: done business just a cup of Australian companies and they

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Speaker 3: will try and cut your throat over every last one

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars and a million dollar transaction, but nothing personally

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Speaker 3: at the end, go out have a drink. In New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: it would be like haraffic to play that hard ball.

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Speaker 3: So there is a very very different culture an Australian

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Speaker 3: they're a totally bad things. But maybe you can take

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Speaker 3: it too far, David.

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Speaker 1: Somebody says the other problem is that we smoke more

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Speaker 1: pots than they do in Australia and that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that. I have to say we probably

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Speaker 3: do we listen to really will have their own you know,

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Speaker 3: they've got the gangs and the mafia there. But I'm

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Speaker 3: sure they're.

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Speaker 1: Doing They're doing class as they're doing like you know,

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Speaker 1: like heroin and like charging things M D M A

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Speaker 1: and stuff, don't.

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Speaker 4: You think, Jack, Well, I mean this is definitely pivoted

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Speaker 4: to an area I wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 1: But dive into the psychology in this country.

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Speaker 4: If we're talking about the productivity benefits of various different

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Speaker 4: classes of drugs. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't possibly want

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Speaker 1: Can done on copain and pee than you are. But

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Speaker 1: this is undermining my argument because.

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Speaker 3: There's lot of people I can say only class to

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Speaker 1: Well, there you go, David, listen to that or it's

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Speaker 1: a real life experience. We'll take a break so we

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Speaker 1: can just come down from that admission and we'll come

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Speaker 1: back shortly.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, back with the huddle. Jack Tayman, David Farrett,

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Speaker 1: now Jack Thomas Coglan of the Herald reckons that the

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Speaker 1: scrapping of the regional councils is just the start, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to end up scrapping all of the local

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Speaker 1: authorities basically all together, and ending up with eleven big

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Speaker 1: territorial authorities like Auckland Super City. Are you cool with that?

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: I think the arguments in favor of amalgamation are very strong, indeed,

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Speaker 4: the devils in the detail, But I do think it's

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Speaker 4: curious that a government that has sold itself on localism

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Speaker 4: in which they rejected the advice of the commissioners in

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Speaker 4: Todenger to bring back democracy at the first available opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Think about the ways in which they sold the three

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Speaker 4: Wards policies. So you're going to be able to come

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Speaker 4: up with your own plans, and then compare that with

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Speaker 4: some of the decisions since the decisions over rates capping,

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Speaker 4: for example, and now this amalgamation. It's sort of like,

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Speaker 4: I think, at the very least you could say that

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Speaker 4: maybe they're kind of talking out both sides of their mouths,

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Speaker 4: you know, like, oh, yeah, localism, localism actually not so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I am just so excited about it,

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Speaker 1: David that I don't give two hoopes what they've said

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Speaker 1: in the past. I want this so badly, what about you.

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Speaker 3: I think they've been quite cunning with it, because Lot absolutely,

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Speaker 3: if you look at what's important, that's not getting rid

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Speaker 3: of the elected councilors on region replacing them with MEAs

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Speaker 3: So we have two years to come up with a

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Speaker 3: regional amalgamation plan and the Minister can improve them, not referendum,

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Speaker 3: that's the key. But rather than announced we're amalgamating seventy

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Speaker 3: six councils, which will get a huge outcry, they're saying

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Speaker 3: we'll leave it to each region to work out their

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Speaker 3: own plan and then we'll put up for approval. And

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Speaker 3: that's smart because Lot in Willing, you might have malgareate

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Speaker 3: the four big urban councils, but you probably want to

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Speaker 3: mailgate the three wire rapper oneson. So we'll now each

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Speaker 3: region to work out what works for them. But the

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Speaker 3: key thing is if you've got the Mears on side,

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Speaker 3: but they have to submit the plan, you're not going

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Speaker 3: to be facing you know what, They've hadden Hawk's Bay

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Speaker 3: forever where one council wants it, the other doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack, did you realize that we have sixteen hundred

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Speaker 1: local body elected politicians across this country? Sixteen hundred?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And when you think about the things that they're responsible for, like,

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Speaker 4: do we honest does anyone honestly think that those elected

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Speaker 4: officials have the expertise when it comes to governance of

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Speaker 4: some of the things they're responsible for. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a very hard argument to make it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only disappointment I'll tell you what my

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Speaker 1: disappointment about it is, Jack, is that when I retire,

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Speaker 1: I was I was really hoping to have this as

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Speaker 1: kind of like a really nice little addition to my income. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go on alone.

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Speaker 4: It's like being on the body corporate and a part building.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things that for a moment, you

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Speaker 4: think this is going to be a great idea, and

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Speaker 4: then the moment dolls. I can know that, But have

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Speaker 4: you been to one meeting, let alone thirty or fifty

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Speaker 4: a year. It would be such a punished.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put your ear pods in and you

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Speaker 1: listen to something else and pretend that you're there. I

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Speaker 1: think it's easy, easy money. I'm just working.

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Speaker 3: Either you would hate it. You would so hate it.

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Speaker 3: Possibly your fellow counselors might be only one. She would

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Speaker 3: hate it more, argue with you all day.

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Speaker 1: There we go. There drives up my retirement plans. Now, David,

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Speaker 1: have you got one of those cars that just breaks

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 4: I do?

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Speaker 3: And lot the safety features undoubtedly have made carsing. What

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Speaker 3: most of all was the three sixty degree cameras, the

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Speaker 3: backing camera. Do you remember that when you back out

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Speaker 3: behind you, et cetera, and you know you can't quite

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Speaker 3: see anything. But absolutely, I think technology got Modern cars

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Speaker 3: are actually computers on wheels.

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Speaker 1: They really are, right Jack, I can't. I can't keep

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Speaker 1: up with you, though. What have you? Are you still

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Speaker 1: driving that old like clapped out Corolla?

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Speaker 3: No, it from the old clapped out Corolla.

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Speaker 4: I sold that old clapped out Corolla and got a

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Speaker 4: slightly newer Corolla, so I'm still.

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Speaker 1: Corolla safety features.

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Speaker 4: It's got all of the safety features.

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Speaker 3: It's a Corolla.

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Speaker 4: It's fantastic and it's got But he's a thing. I

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Speaker 4: turned most of them off because they just got so

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Speaker 4: be doing this. Honestly, I felt like it was making

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Speaker 1: So anxiety.

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Speaker 4: To tell you what though, the reversing camera, I reckon

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Speaker 4: that alone, it's just been the biggest game changer.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because the other day what I did was

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Speaker 1: I've got an old jealopy at the beach which hasn't

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Speaker 1: got anything on it, like anything, any fancy things, and

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Speaker 1: so what I found is an old jeep wrangler and

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Speaker 1: I found myself. I just backed down. I backed out

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Speaker 1: without looking over my shoulder because I forgot I had to.

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Speaker 1: So there is a Yeah, there is a downside to

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Speaker 1: having all the cameras is that when you get one

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Speaker 1: that doesn't have cameras, people need to beware anyway, don't

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Speaker 1: tell anyone about that or I'm not going to get insurance. Guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I really appreciated look after yourselves. It's Jack

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Speaker 1: Tame host a Q and A Saturday mornings on News

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Speaker 1: Talk and David Farrah. Do you hear Jack was just

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Speaker 1: like oh oh because yeah. I Also when I did it,

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