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Speaker 2: It'd be well, good morning, welcome to Tuesday. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us. I'm Andrew Dickinson for Ryan Bridge, who's

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Speaker 2: on holiday on the program today. Another report criticizes the

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Speaker 2: number of ministries in New Zealand. So how many public

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Speaker 2: idea of cutting down the number of ministries? Will have

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Speaker 2: the PSA on in about five minutes time. Interest rates

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Speaker 2: are falling and mortgage lending is up. So why is

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Speaker 2: our housing markets still in limbo? That story in ten

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Speaker 2: and tomorrow is crunch day for water. I'll fill you in.

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Speaker 2: Are things getting better or are we stuck in the

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Speaker 2: same funk? And the big story the government has loosened

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Speaker 2: the foreign buyer band, meeting that foreigners with the Golden

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Speaker 2: Visa will now be able to buy a home with

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Speaker 2: more than five million dollars. But will this attract the investors?

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Speaker 2: Stuart Nash will be joining me on how to sell

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Speaker 2: the idea to foreigners just before six. We'll have correspondence

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Speaker 2: from all around New Zealand. Don Demaio's US from Australia

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Speaker 2: and you can have your say on the text. The

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Speaker 3: The agenda.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, the second of September. More than eight hundred

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Speaker 2: people have been killed and thousands others injured after a

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Speaker 2: six magnitude quake hit eastern Afghanistan. Offici'll say most deaths

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Speaker 2: are in the Kunar province and are warning the death

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Speaker 4: The area as described is really really difficult. The terrain

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Speaker 4: is mountainous. This is a place where homes are almost

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Speaker 4: built on top of each other in a sort of telespace.

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Speaker 4: So when an earthquake, if this magnitude happens, these homes

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Speaker 2: Now to China we go and put in a mahdi

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Speaker 2: had their meeting at the summit in Beijing. By the way,

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Speaker 5: With this one army between China, India and Russia. Mister

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Speaker 5: Mardy is showing that he cannot be pushed into a

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Speaker 2: And the summer's Vladimir Putin claimed he's reached understandings with

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on ending the war in Ukraine after talk

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Speaker 3: He is saying that he welcomes China and India in

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Speaker 2: And I'll have more on this big week in China

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Speaker 2: in Beijing in just a few moments time. And finally,

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Speaker 2: it's been forty years since the discovery of the Titanic

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the Ocean where so the Titanic,

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Speaker 2: this day in nineteen eighty five, I went in my room.

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Speaker 2: You knew something had happened, and one man said, look

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Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and one Root Love Where you

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Speaker 1: Live News Talks, I'd be.

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Speaker 2: It's ten out to five. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: And you can't help think that Donald Trump's gung host

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark and John Key will be our representatives at

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Speaker 2: this parade. They were invited. They're paying their own way.

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Speaker 2: They think they were invited because they were involved back

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Speaker 2: And I'll talk more about why this big parade is

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Speaker 2: So the New Zealand Initiative have been looking at just

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Speaker 2: we're trying to cut things down and rationalize things so

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Speaker 2: how is the PSA who represents these people feeling about this.

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Speaker 2: Used talk said being it is I point fifteen. How

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Speaker 2: says we have way too many? The New Zealand Initiative

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Speaker 2: there we go, Flirt. Sorry the buttons wasn't working very well.

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Speaker 2: Hello Flur, good morning. So we got eighty one minister

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Speaker 2: report foit eight ministers, forty three departments, three times as

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't object to the discussion about this, but

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Speaker 6: I think you have to understand that it's taking place

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Speaker 6: David Seymour was very supportive of an earlier version of

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Speaker 6: move towards models of privatization. Now, I don't think that's

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of red flags of this report.

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Speaker 2: Do you really think it's just ACT Party and the

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Speaker 6: Well, when you said bloater, let's look at some of

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Speaker 6: the proposals in this report. They, for example, suggest merging

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Speaker 6: But no, I don't think it's as simple as the numbers.

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Speaker 2: Where is the go to for advocates when they say

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't want to downplay the work that those

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Speaker 6: But it's not just those patient advocates. If you look

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Speaker 6: we set up a Royal commission Hype River abuse in

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Speaker 6: at the recommendations of those commissions, none of them say

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Speaker 6: look more carefully. Here's how we need to set up

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Speaker 2: Let's just take the money out of it, let's take

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Speaker 2: the advocacy out of it. But doesn't the amount of

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Speaker 2: slowing down of our public service. For instance, MB currently

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Speaker 6: Well, actually that's the kind of consolidation that this report's

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Speaker 6: actually just takes a numerica and that analysis and overlays

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Speaker 6: their history, the role that they play, and I think

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Speaker 6: it's just through some plastic when you look at it

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Speaker 2: She is the National Secretary of the PSA, and of course,

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Speaker 2: as we all know, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, so

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Speaker 2: of any job at all. Text through from Howard fitz

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Speaker 2: Simons is out of touch. Countries of similar size have

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Speaker 2: way less bureaucrats. Where a city the size of a

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Speaker 2: ridiculous thinking for your text, Howard ninety two to ninety

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Speaker 2: American high fliers. You may know the names. Robert Muehler,

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Speaker 2: that condition to get out of testifying about the FBI's

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Speaker 2: investigation into Epstein. And Rudy Giuliani, the man with the

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Speaker 2: for President Trump. Rudy suffered a fractured vie in a

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Speaker 2: car crash in New Hampshire. So the interest rates are

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about property. Interest rates are softening and

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Speaker 2: by Jeremy andrews Now. Jeremy's a mortgage broker at Key Mortgages,

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Speaker 2: and I thank you for joining us. Good morning to you, Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: Good morning Andrew. You're noticing the uptick and new mortgages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you reckon that the market is actually factoring

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there are a lot of people just kind of

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Speaker 7: I think we probably I think we have turned that corner,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Andrews from Key Mortgages. I thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time. It is now five twenty five News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be News Talks B five twenty six. Less took

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Speaker 2: the really important stuff. Let's took water. The government's new

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Speaker 2: plan for water services has called local Water Done Well.

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Speaker 2: which was what three Waters did. Eventually, Labour's three Waters

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Speaker 2: And after all the talk about water reform, we're right

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Speaker 2: this new rule with the visas, the Golden visas, and

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Speaker 2: Three hundred and eight people have applied for the Golden visa.

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Speaker 2: Do you think these properties are going to being available

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Speaker 1: Andrew dickens on earlier this show with one roof love

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Speaker 1: where you live used Talks it be.

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Speaker 2: That's good morning and welcome to your Tuesday. I'm Andrew Dickinson,

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Speaker 2: perwine Bridge, who's getting some and having a sleep them g.

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Speaker 2: You're really not liking the PSA's reluctance to see a

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Speaker 2: rationalization of public bureaucracy, as suggested by the New Zealand Initiative.

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Speaker 2: Simon writes, Andrew, unneeded ministries must be like gliding on

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Speaker 2: a twenty twenties version. What do they do all day?

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Speaker 2: Simon another text to says ministries to check on other ministries.

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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous, and Graham says, Andrew, it's about time

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Speaker 2: we kept up with the plan to make our public

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Speaker 2: that we all want some woke reports to run our lives.

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Speaker 2: Get real people the whole problem, as it's costing way

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Speaker 2: too much. Thank you so much for your text, Graham.

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking about this new ability for active investor

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Speaker 2: We go and first to Otago Kellum Proctor. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: morning Andrew. The Regional Council. They're assessing the effects of

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Speaker 9: This has been an independent assessment that's part of the

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Speaker 2: Grace here as we go, classe here were good morning

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Speaker 10: Why yeah, this has caused quite the stink here, Andrew.

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Speaker 10: We've got at least ten, possibly now up to twenty

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Speaker 2: It's a real set up.

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Speaker 10: There are tense campus sheds, you name it.

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Speaker 10: Some neighbors had complained about this and leading to the

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Speaker 2: How's your weather a bit.

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Speaker 10: Frosty to start, They're mainly fine until some scattered showers

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Speaker 2: We have Max Toll Good morning, Max, Good morning. The

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Speaker 12: This is the prominent walkway that crosses over the keys

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Speaker 12: Quite an impressive large artwork. The Wellington Civic Trust has

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Speaker 12: No bueno. Unfortunately, the City Council can, as intended, go

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Speaker 11: In six.

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Speaker 2: I love that bridge. It's a beautiful bridge.

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Speaker 12: earthquake proof. So the council has just gone ahead and

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Speaker 12: written it off. Instead, they're going to get to a

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Speaker 12: new pedestrian crossing and then perhaps something more significant in

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Speaker 12: the long term. But yeah, we're in the minority.

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Speaker 2: It's going how worldly boring? How's your wither exactly?

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Speaker 12: I mainly find today some showers later on strong winds

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Speaker 12: fifteen the high Central and.

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Speaker 2: To walk on we go. Neither written many Good morning

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Speaker 2: to you, Good morning to Marbicks's closing in Queen's Arcade.

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Speaker 2: Just one of the great retailers. Yes, music music retails.

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Speaker 8: USIC retailers. Yes, you'll be feeling quite emotional about that.

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Speaker 8: Oh very you'll remember, you'll have fond memories.

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Speaker 2: Well look, I was actually in my garage in the

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Speaker 2: weekend looking at my CD collection. Wow, which was quite

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Speaker 2: comprehensive and a lot of them had the Marbick sticker

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Speaker 2: on it, and a lot of them said thirty bucks,

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Speaker 2: you know, because that's how much he used to pay

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Speaker 2: for a CD there. And I figured out that I

453
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Speaker 2: must have given mar Bicks thousands of dollars of my money.

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Speaker 8: Well, good on you. You were representing and contributing on

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Speaker 8: my behalf, because I think I've only even been in

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Speaker 8: there once.

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Speaker 2: Now, well that's you know, it's because they changed, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the iPod and streaming means CDs and records go.

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Speaker 8: Yep, that's right now. It is moving to trade online.

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Speaker 8: Roger Marbick, he's the founding family member. He says, Look

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Speaker 8: this online bezore, it's going to represent a continuation of

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Speaker 8: the legacy. And as you just say, that retail landscape,

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Speaker 8: that big change. But look going forward, this reshaped community engagement.

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Speaker 8: They're planning on having, you know, launching up pop up

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Speaker 8: events at festivals and music gatherings around the country, just

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Speaker 8: to keep the spirit of mar books alive.

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Speaker 2: Hous Hawkins well partly.

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Speaker 8: Cloudy Odshower seventeen is high here in Auckland.

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Speaker 12: Wever.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. At his seventeen minutes to six text

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Speaker 2: through from John he says Andrew. My property is worth

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Speaker 2: about one point seven million dollars, but I will happily

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Speaker 2: sell it for five million. Now that's actually almost a

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Speaker 2: very good point because one if you've got a property

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Speaker 2: that's worth like four point three four point four to

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Speaker 2: four point five and suddenly you've got a whole heap

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Speaker 2: of investors coming in who can buy a house for

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Speaker 2: five Will it mean price escalation for the top end

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Speaker 2: but not the not over five but the over fours.

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Speaker 2: Will that change things then? I don't know. Stuart nashviill

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Speaker 2: have his thoughts on this. Just before six o'clock. If

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Speaker 2: this is news, talk to zm B to Australia, we.

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Speaker 1: Go next international correspondence with ends and eye insurance feace

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Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: It's fourteen to six dot on tomorrow from Australia. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, so Albanezi. He has been speaking on the

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Speaker 2: Nauru deportation plan.

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Speaker 13: Yes, the PM has spoken and in his words he

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Speaker 13: says there's nothing secret about a four hundred million dollar

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Speaker 13: deal with Nuru to offload hundreds of non citizens. Now,

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Speaker 13: the government announced this deal on Friday night and that

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Speaker 13: is a time we know is notoriously used to bury announcements,

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Speaker 13: but people noticed and they wanted to know more details.

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Speaker 13: So the PM has now spoken out and he says

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Speaker 13: that these arrangements are to deport about two hundred and

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Speaker 13: eighty members of a cohort, as he put it, non

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Speaker 13: citizens living in Australia whose visas were canceled on character grounds.

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Speaker 13: And you know, he's saying that you know this decision,

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Speaker 13: this deal is hardly secret. He says that these are

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Speaker 13: the people that they don't have a legitimate reason to

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Speaker 13: stay in Australia. While there's been some swift and strong

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Speaker 13: reaction from refugee advocates, human rights lawyers, the Greens, they're

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Speaker 13: all furious and they've described as steel as discriminatory, disgraceful

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Speaker 13: and dangerous.

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Speaker 2: All right, Donna, and I thank you, And yes, there's

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Speaker 2: loads of marches at the moment happening regarding immigration's big

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Speaker 2: issue in Australia. Now China's big military parade tomorrow. Bob krr,

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Speaker 2: the former New South Wales premiert, former Australian Foreign Affairs minister,

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Speaker 2: is going and he's written in the Sydney Morning Herald

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Speaker 2: this morning as to why, and he says the Pacific

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Speaker 2: War started with the rape of Nang King back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven. Did you know that twenty million Chinese

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Speaker 2: people died resisting the Japanese invasion, twenty million And it

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Speaker 2: was because of that resistance that one million Japanese troops

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Speaker 2: were committed to the Chinese battles. And that meant that

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Speaker 2: japan did not have the capacity to invade Australia, which

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Speaker 2: you know, which they were wanting to do, but they

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Speaker 2: couldn't do that. And if they had invaded Australia, that

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Speaker 2: could have changed absolutely everything in our neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: And Bobka says that is worth commemorating the sacrifice of

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Speaker 2: the Chinese which saved us. And I think he's white.

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Speaker 2: It is twelve to six News Talk Zibby right. Well,

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Speaker 2: the government's changed his mind on the foreign buyer's ban.

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Speaker 2: Golden visa holders can now snap up homes worth five

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Speaker 2: million dollars or more as long as they invest at

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Speaker 2: least five million dollars into the country. The wider ban

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Speaker 2: on residential property still stands. Stuart Nash is a former

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Speaker 2: Labor Cabinet minister. He's currently a co founder of Nash

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Speaker 2: Kelly Global, the relocation consultancy that advises wealthy individuals, the

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Speaker 2: one we're looking for, particularly from the US on immigration

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand, and he joins us. Now, hello's Jurdon.

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Speaker 11: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you very good on a political point? Bent?

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Speaker 2: First of all, how on earth did the government get

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Speaker 2: Winston on board?

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Speaker 11: I love Winston's all about economic development and growth. He

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Speaker 11: knows that. You know, when these investor migrants come to

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Speaker 11: New zeald and they invest in the way they are,

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Speaker 11: that creates jobs and wealth and it's good for the

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Speaker 11: jild economy. I mean at the moment, we've got about

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Speaker 11: one point eight billion dollars it's been promised. Now remember

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Speaker 11: this is going into active investment into our economy. There's

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Speaker 11: nothing better about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are currently three hundred and eight applications for

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Speaker 2: the Golden visa and they're bringing a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: You just told us that the numbers are they ready

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Speaker 2: to snap up a property as well.

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Speaker 11: They take a little bit of time because they've got

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Speaker 11: to you know, they've got to figure out how they're

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Speaker 11: going to invest. They've got to get their visas. But

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Speaker 11: you know, this is money that's invested actively into economy.

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Speaker 11: But the thing for me is it's not just about

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Speaker 11: the money. These people bring their experiences, their contexts, their networks,

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Speaker 11: their competencies. So by and large, what happens is when

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Speaker 11: they bring their money in, they also bringing a whole

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Speaker 11: lot of different skills and competencies into our communities. That

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Speaker 11: just creates value. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's going to drive house prices up?

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Speaker 2: Because I saw a guy on the telly last night

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Speaker 2: he's saying this is going to pump primes things give

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Speaker 2: people more confidence that it should affect the entire market.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it will drive the prices up or

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Speaker 2: only affect that top point five percent of properties?

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Speaker 11: We look, what I say is that these people don't

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Speaker 11: compete with the first time buyers. They compete with a

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Speaker 11: lot of when theo's keep in mind, these people can't

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Speaker 11: buy a house under five million dollars, and it's about

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Speaker 11: they reckon. There's about ten million, ten thousand houses or

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Speaker 11: seven thousand houses that a who lived in immediately worth

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Speaker 11: over five million dollars. So for the vast majority of people,

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Speaker 11: that won't have any difference whatsoever. So no, in fact,

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Speaker 11: quite the opposite. I think this would be great for

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Speaker 11: builders because you know these guys will come in, they

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Speaker 11: will build expensive houses because this is what they do.

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Speaker 11: But you know, I live in Napier. There are very

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Speaker 11: very few houses and they be at any worth over

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Speaker 11: five million dollars. So I think they're good hard work

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Speaker 11: and keys aren't going to see a change add all

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Speaker 11: to their house prices.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, you've been talking to people who have got

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Speaker 2: the Golden Visa. Are they keen to build? Would that

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Speaker 2: actually be even more attractive to them because they could

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Speaker 2: then make the house that they really want.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, accommodation of both, so you will see some buy Look,

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Speaker 11: it may it may affect house prices at the hanging

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Speaker 11: down in Queenstown, but the vast majority of people won't

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Speaker 11: see any difference. What's whoever, But I was talking to

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Speaker 11: a chap who has got a development. He wants This

589
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Speaker 11: is a this is an American billionaire. He wants to

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Speaker 11: build an incredibly big lodge. And there's about thirty sections

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Speaker 11: that will that will be worth over five million dollars.

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Speaker 11: There that is a significant amount of development. These are

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Speaker 11: houses that wouldn't be built otherwise. Of course, you know

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Speaker 11: the sections are open for kiwis to buy. But we

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Speaker 11: are talking high end and we're talking people who come

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Speaker 11: over here and when they have a property here, they

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Speaker 11: tend to stay for longer, they spend more. There is

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Speaker 11: no downside to this at all. So you know, when

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Speaker 11: I hear people say this is going to this is

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Speaker 11: going to impact the property prices, I just I just

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Speaker 11: think not at all, not at all. At the very

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Speaker 11: top end maybe, but good hard work and kiwis, who

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Speaker 11: are you know who are looking struggling or working hard

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Speaker 11: to get there. So the housing that won't make any difference.

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Speaker 2: No matter what the Prime Minister says, this is still

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Speaker 2: a compromise to fit in Winston Peters. So should they

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Speaker 2: look to open it up further.

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Speaker 11: No, I think we've got I think we've struck a

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Speaker 11: very nice balance. But I don't think this is a

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Speaker 11: compromise now. The reason I say that is New Zealand

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Speaker 11: first has always been about economic development and growth and

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Speaker 11: making sure that good hard work and keepies have the

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Speaker 11: opportunity to work. We're talking so far one point eight

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Speaker 11: billion dollars it's been promised to come into our economy.

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Speaker 11: I think this is going to get a little bit

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Speaker 11: of a boost and my business. I've got about four

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Speaker 11: clients in the last couple of weeks. I've said, no,

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Speaker 11: we're not interested in New Zealand because we can't buy

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Speaker 11: a property. Now they can. You're going to see more

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Speaker 11: money coming into the economy and I just want to

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Speaker 11: reiterate this is money that has to be invested actively.

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Speaker 11: So we're talking about into New Zealand businesses, into areas

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Speaker 11: that create jobs and economic wealth for our economy and

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Speaker 11: for all key weeks.

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Speaker 2: Now, Stuart, you've mentioned New Zealand first and awful lot

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Speaker 2: in this interview and does this mean that you're going

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Speaker 2: to stand for them.

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Speaker 11: No, No, not at all. All I'm saying is that

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Speaker 11: Winston and Shane represent the politics of pragmatism and I

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Speaker 11: think this is about economic development, growth and job and

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Speaker 11: Winston and Shane understand that. It's the reason why we're

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Speaker 11: talking about a good news story at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thank you so much. That is Stuart Nash.

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Speaker 2: This is news Talks, he'd b it is seven minutes

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Speaker 2: to six.

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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth

637
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Speaker 1: analysis early edition with Andrew Dickots and one Roote Love

638
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Speaker 1: where you Live. News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big day tomorrow. The councilors have to submit their

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Speaker 2: water services delivery plans and uh, if pictator decided what

641
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Speaker 2: and what are they going to do? And are they

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Speaker 2: going to fix the leaks? Sue's very worried about the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. She's in the wilted Upper. She says their

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Speaker 2: local councils have been rushing it through for the third

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Speaker 2: September deadline, and she's worried the councils are an election

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Speaker 2: mode and she reckons these things should be left until

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Speaker 2: after the election. But yeah, big story tomorrow. What's going

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Speaker 2: to happen with the water? My casking come morning to you,

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 14: So the bureaucraw you had you hadn't prepared a proving,

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Speaker 14: approbing open question.

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Speaker 2: For no, no, no, But well I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the bureaucrats because I talked it with Firs Simons

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Speaker 2: this morning and the New Zealander Initiative report, yes, and

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Speaker 2: then and then she was just so defensive about the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. And then of course the audience is so

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Speaker 2: angry about the whole thing, and she was saying, people

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Speaker 2: don't people don't want public servants cut. And see what

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid they do.

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Speaker 14: The funny thing is they do and Brian Roch, who's

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Speaker 14: the Public Service Commissioners, actually sort of doing that job.

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Speaker 14: It's funny. I mentioned to the Prime Minister yesterday they

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Speaker 14: ended up cutting two thousand jobs and it was a

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Speaker 14: huge They should have done ten thousand because the approbrium

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Speaker 14: and anger at the time didn't matter what the number was,

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Speaker 14: because everyone who was furious was furious. So they missed

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Speaker 14: their opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So now to see five thousand buerios, it's a two thousand.

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Speaker 2: It's a city.

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Speaker 14: And so anyway, he might be doing the job. But

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Speaker 14: we'll talk to the New Zealand Initiative. Will also talk

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Speaker 14: to Winston Peters, who seemed sort of edgy yesterday, didn't he.

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Speaker 2: Said, don't talk about this, don't talk about the house

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Speaker 2: raising to drag, kicking.

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Speaker 14: And screaming, had that vibe about it. So anyway, he's

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Speaker 14: with us, Prime Minister's with us.

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Speaker 9: They're all with us.

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Speaker 2: They always are. And I thank you Nathan Kensy for

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Speaker 2: producing the show. And I'm Andrew Dickinson. I'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Have yourself a wonderful Tuesday.

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