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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring it's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming out today.

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Speaker 3: Is all that budget money for rural health actually going

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Speaker 3: to make a difference when they're just answ enough doctors.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to patient voice alts here it

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Speaker 3: or is Malcolm Mulholland on that commercial gas used. As

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Speaker 3: it turns out, I'm going to have massive price rises

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Speaker 3: us through that, and we're going to speak to the

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Speaker 3: lawyer of the man who was forced to replace all

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: This weekend gave me the perfect example of why I

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Speaker 3: don't watch rugby anymore. It was the Mowana pacifica Blues game,

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Speaker 3: and it was the try that wasn't allowed. So what

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Speaker 3: happened is the ma Wona PACIFICA hooker puts the ball

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Speaker 3: down in the fifty fifth minute at the far end

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Speaker 3: of the park and it looks like a try, right,

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Speaker 3: It looks case closed like a try. But then what

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Speaker 3: happens is at the TMO goes back to something that

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Speaker 3: happened almost exactly a full minute earlier, and it had

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Speaker 3: been multiple passes and kicks since then, and when he

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Speaker 3: sees what he sees, he doesn't allow the try because

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Speaker 3: what happened is the bloke running up this side of

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Speaker 3: the park put his foot on the line. Now a

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Speaker 3: full minute had passed since that infringement when that passed

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Speaker 3: the ball, as I say, multiple times, it kicked the ball,

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Speaker 3: But because he put his foot on the line ages ago,

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether the TMO saw it happened at

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Speaker 3: attacking phase to check that the try was legit. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: I suppose it doesn't really matter because it ended up

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Speaker 3: where it ended up. Now, this isn't a complaint about

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Speaker 3: whether the TMO was right, because actually the TMO was right.

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Speaker 3: The rules say that if something like this happens in

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Speaker 3: the attacking phase, it disqualifies the try. What this is

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Speaker 3: is a complaint about the rules, because that's a bad rule,

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Speaker 3: a rule that lets the TMO sift through phases and

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Speaker 3: attacking setup to see if there is a reason, is

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Speaker 3: just any old reason to disqualify the try. That is

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Speaker 3: a bad rule because it takes all the fun out

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Speaker 3: of the game, doesn't it. I mean, how many times have

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Speaker 3: hold on, let's just see what the TMO has got

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Speaker 3: to say about this first. Well, that's not how a

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Speaker 3: game should be. That's not fun, that's boring, that's technical.

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Speaker 3: If I want to watch technical, I'll watch chess. Not

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Speaker 3: watching that, am I'm watching rugby. And this is my

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Speaker 3: problem with rugby. Now I realize other people who are

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Speaker 3: other reasons. Probably maybe it's the boring competition structure. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's the fact that they're resting all blacks. Maybe it's

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Speaker 4: Day together due for cl nine two nine two is.

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Speaker 3: The text number, standard text fees applay. Now. News out

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Speaker 3: of the US, of course, is that Joe Biden has

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Speaker 3: been diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer that has spread

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Speaker 3: diagnosed on Friday. Channel nine US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley is

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Speaker 3: with us now. Hey, Jonathan Heather, Hello to you and

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Speaker 3: the listeners. Now, he's been set at a level I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's deeply worrying for the president and for his family.

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Speaker 5: We heard this statement come out of his personal office

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Speaker 5: that is aggressive. It is also, as you said, spread

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Speaker 3: So what are the treatment options available to him.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's some immunotherapy options that are open to him

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Speaker 5: That's what medical experts are saying, and it was interesting

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Speaker 3: Jonathan, I read somewhere that you know, as you say,

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Speaker 3: you never really kill this kind of cancer, especially at

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Speaker 5: Well, I'd rather leave it to the doctors to work

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Speaker 5: It's estimated that there's going to be some three hundred

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Speaker 5: It's been caught very aggressively. The last full annual check

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of texts along these lines. How

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Speaker 3: is it that somebody who is having regular and presumably

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Speaker 5: I think these are the questions that right now, rightly

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Speaker 5: A statement put out a few years ago after one

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Speaker 5: That was back in twenty twenty one, so that would

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Speaker 4: But you do have to look.

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Speaker 5: At the timing now and go, okay, well, his last

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Speaker 5: It may well also be a reminder and a message

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. As Jonathan Cursley Channel nine US correspondent. Coming

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past four. Jason pine sports talk host with me

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Speaker 3: Hat Piney. Hello, Heather Bye, Auckland FC. I mean, come on,

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Speaker 3: they're going to do it, aren't they?

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Speaker 7: I think they are. Do you know what was exactly

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Speaker 7: Final seven months later? I mean, here we are over

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Speaker 7: in Melbourne on Saturday night, really professional performance, another clean sheet,

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Speaker 7: a goal when it was needed. They did what had

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Speaker 7: It's I don't think fairy tales the right word. It's

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Speaker 7: They probably think, you know, new fans to walk onto

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Speaker 3: They only downhill from here, piney.

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Speaker 3: You're right here. We are like glass half full. So

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Speaker 3: So let's say that they actually win it, then presumably

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Mowana pacificate, how impressed. I'm very impressed with them.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Hey Piney has always loved talking to you.

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Speaker 3: Whoa Jason was that you?

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Speaker 10: It wasn't me, but I am ready I thought, why

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Speaker 3: That's so strange, I know, but it was a wonderful

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Speaker 1: Our informational party open to concessions though otherwise this could

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Speaker 3: The Privileges Committee make that decision.

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Speaker 12: We have representatives as every party does in the Privileges Committee,

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Speaker 10: And I know you're gonna hate me for this. I

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Speaker 10: don't actually know, and that's why we need to We'll

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Speaker 10: get Chris Bishop, who's the Leader of the House, tomorrow

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Speaker 10: morning to explain these things to us, because this is

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Speaker 10: and I know you're hit sick of hearing it. It

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Speaker 10: is quite unprecedented. You would think that that would be

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Speaker 10: the case, but you never know. I mean, there could

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Speaker 10: be some quirk of the system which means that it

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Speaker 10: technically you can't start, you can't make move a new

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Speaker 10: motion until the motion that is on the floor has

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Speaker 10: been agreed to or disagreed to. So I'll let you

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Speaker 10: know as soon as I know. But heck, it's all

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Speaker 10: up in the air.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jason, Thanks very much, Jason woll News talks.

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Speaker 3: There'd be political letters. I'll tell you what. We don't

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Speaker 3: have to wait talk tomorrow to talk to Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Nikola Willis about it tonight. Find out

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Speaker 3: from her whether this debate has to wrap up before

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Speaker 3: the budget. Find out from her why I take sixty

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Speaker 3: five million dollars to change rules and she's with us

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Speaker 3: as per usual on a Monday after six light away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 9: Find listens in the studio. Let's get back to the

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Speaker 9: budget without giving it away. I get all of that,

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Speaker 9: hundreds of millions of dollars for the film industry. Fantastic.

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Speaker 9: You've got money yesterday for Regent. Where's it all coming from?

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Speaker 9: We have said very clearly that we can invest in

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Speaker 9: economic growth. It's either borrowed or you've got it from somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Which is it?

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Speaker 9: Well, again, I'm not going to get why can't you

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Speaker 9: give us that right?

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Speaker 4: We're making some serious investments.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 9: I know you're making investments, but I want to know

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Speaker 9: where you're getting the dough from. That will be revealed

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Speaker 9: on because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: be happy next week.

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Speaker 4: Well that's fine.

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Speaker 9: We'll have that conversation next week, will we. So you

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Speaker 9: are borrowing, I say we're borrowing. I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: give you a keeping on this, and it's going to

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Speaker 9: be a very frustrating interview for your listeners. Back tomorrow

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Speaker 9: at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with the Rain

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Speaker 9: drove of the lah News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: There pretty funny that the Marti Party are disdainful of

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Speaker 3: Parliament's rules until it hits their back pockets, and now

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Speaker 3: Parliament's rules of filibuster and process are really important. Loell Glenn,

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Speaker 3: you make a very good point. Thank you. Listen. Commercial,

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Speaker 3: this was entirely predictable and was predicted. But commercial users

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Speaker 3: of gas are being told they are going to have

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Speaker 3: unsustainable prices this year when the gas contracts run out.

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Speaker 3: So we have a little chat to Shane Jones about

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Speaker 3: that after five o'clock. Are you ready for it? Trigger warning,

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Speaker 3: just cinder given the address at Yale University's graduation ceremony.

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Speaker 14: That thing that.

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Speaker 15: Moves you to tears when you see the pain of others,

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Speaker 15: it can also be what drives you to action, the

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Speaker 15: reason you seek to make change, the thing that motivates

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Speaker 15: you to keep going in difficult or trying circumstances. In fact,

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Speaker 15: all of those traits that you might have believed your

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Speaker 15: whole life were weaknesses. Questioning yourself, the doubt that brings

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Speaker 15: humility or sensitivity that comes with empathy may just be

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Speaker 15: what the world needs more of, or maybe not.

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Speaker 3: Also, Ah she talked a little bit about imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 15: Perhaps what they don't expect is that I often talk

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Speaker 15: about something else. I talk about imposter syndrome because I

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Speaker 15: have had it for as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have to say it right, it's because

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Speaker 3: you were an imposter. Like, let's be honest. Imposter syndrome

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't apply. Imposter syndrome is for people who

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Speaker 3: are awesome at their jobs, but like tell themselves that

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Speaker 3: they are not. Do you know what I mean? Imposter

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Speaker 3: syndrome is when you're there, you're like, I don't know

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Speaker 3: that I'm actually good at this, but you actually are.

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Speaker 3: But in just in this case, she had imposter syndrome,

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Speaker 3: she's completely out of her depth. That happens. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you make if you said to her verse fifteen kid,

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Speaker 3: go play for the all Blacks, they also would have

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Speaker 3: imposter syndrome for good reason. Can somebody call? Can plus

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Speaker 3: somebody please call to Cinder and just tell her that

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Speaker 3: just if somebody loves her, they stop talking about it

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Speaker 3: because everybody else is thinking, no, it wasn't imposter syndrome,

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Speaker 3: that was just you being aware of how crap you

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Speaker 3: were at your job. Anyway, all that money for rural health,

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Speaker 3: is it actually gonna make a differ diference? Probably not,

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Speaker 3: because we don't have enough doctors. We'll discuss that next.

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Speaker 3: We can go forever till you listen out.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers are facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. There are questions over whether the budget fundings were

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Speaker 3: more access to twenty four to seven urgent care clinics

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Speaker 3: will actually help if there aren't enough doctors to staff

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Speaker 3: the hospital's Patient Voice outs Here at Or has published

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Speaker 3: an extensive list of the rural hospitals around the country

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Speaker 3: that are an urgent need of doctors, and some, it

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Speaker 3: turns out, have none at all. Malcolm or Holland's chair

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Speaker 3: of Patient Voice outs here Or. Hey, Malcolm, Hi, Heather, Malcolm.

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Speaker 3: If we don't have doctors to keep these places running,

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Speaker 3: then what is the money going to do?

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Speaker 12: Precisely, I don't have an answer to that. I mean,

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Speaker 12: I assume that they are looking to employ nurse practitioners,

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Speaker 12: nurse prescribers and nurses. But even then you're going to

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Speaker 12: run into some problems because they're not going to be

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Speaker 12: able to diagnose every condition, and many of them will

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Speaker 12: have to be referred on to the local ED.

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Speaker 3: What about the paramedics, because apparently they will start at two.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean again, paramedics are probably great in dealing

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Speaker 12: with heart attacks and the like, but they're not trained

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Speaker 12: to doctors. And this is the problem that we've got.

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Speaker 12: Whether we're looking at GPS or specialists who operate within

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Speaker 12: our hospitals, we simply do not have enough.

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Speaker 16: How short are we Well, we're very short when it

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Speaker 16: comes to GPS right now, we're about five hundred short,

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Speaker 16: and in a decade or just under will be one

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Speaker 16: thousand short, and we only produce one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 16: and one hundred and forty.

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Speaker 12: So, operating on the assumption that every single GP stays

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Speaker 12: in the country, we're still looking at five or so

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Speaker 12: years to catch up to our current shortage that we're

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Speaker 12: exact right now.

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Speaker 3: Is that a realistic way to work it out, because

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Speaker 3: obviously not all our doctors stay here. Actually, we do

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Speaker 3: recruit quite a fair a few from overseas, don't.

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Speaker 12: We We do, and that is fear. But we have

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Speaker 12: to look at why we're not being competitive on the

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Speaker 12: international market, and that is simply because we don't pay

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Speaker 12: our doctors enough. We know that they can earn two

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Speaker 12: to three times more going to Australia and other parts

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Speaker 12: of the world.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm, is it? I mean, if you're turning up to

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Speaker 3: one of these rural twenty four seven clinics and you're

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Speaker 3: seeing a nurse practitioner or you're seeing a prescribing nurse.

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Speaker 3: We were seeing a paramedic. That is not a health

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Speaker 3: compromising situation, is it?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 12: It is, and we've had reports of that. So when

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Speaker 12: I recently went up to the Far North, I meet

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Speaker 12: a lady whose husband had suffered a stroke. They presented

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Speaker 12: to the edy department in Clytire. They were given a

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Speaker 12: telehealth appointment with a doctor in America who told just

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Speaker 12: monitor your husband. The husband's condition deteriorated and rather than

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Speaker 12: taking them back to Clytire, she actually had to take

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Speaker 12: him through to Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Malcolm, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 17: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm wall Holland patient voice outsiad or a chair. As

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Speaker 3: I said, he has put on an extensive list of

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Speaker 3: rural hospitals advertising for locums. Now, when it says open

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Speaker 3: to any availability, it basically means the hospital is an

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Speaker 3: extreme need of one or more loan locums. Dargaville open

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Speaker 3: to any availability, fung A Nui, same Gisbon, same Southland,

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Speaker 3: same Bay of Islands open to availability, Ashmerton open to availability,

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Speaker 3: Gore open to availability. From May Westport contact for details.

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Speaker 3: To mat and Nui, contact for details, talk it or

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Speaker 3: soon for Katani needed for seventy one ed shifts from

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Speaker 3: May to July, Tens sixty seven shifts from May to August,

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Speaker 3: Kaitaia sixty five shifts from July to December, and it

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Speaker 3: just goes on and on, and some hospitals and they've

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Speaker 3: pointed out our dargable Bay of Islands, Kaitaia no doctors,

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Speaker 3: so when you get there, you just get put on

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Speaker 3: a zoom call basically to somebody five eleven Heather do

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Speaker 3: for see Allen. Now, on the gas, it's being predicted

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Speaker 3: that gas prices are now so high that commercial users

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Speaker 3: will have to give it up altogether. Customers with contracts

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Speaker 3: expiring are either not being offered new contracts at all

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Speaker 3: or are having to pay a lot more for their

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Speaker 3: gas Shane Jones is the Associate Energy Minister.

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Speaker 18: Hey, Shane Hi Greening's folks, what.

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Speaker 3: A commercial news is going to do.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 18: This whole area needs a major circuit breaker, obviously, because sadly,

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Speaker 18: since twenty eighteen and nineteen, when the curtain came down

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Speaker 18: on the industry, people stopped drilling. People lost confidence that

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Speaker 18: there would be no future with this fossil fuel in

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Speaker 18: New Zealand, which is why I'm reversing the ban and

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Speaker 18: exploring other interventions.

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Speaker 3: To year and a half, have you made any headway?

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Speaker 18: The difficulty is convincing foreigners and convincing the existing industry

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Speaker 18: that a future government will not smash smash it tibits. Look,

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Speaker 18: the reality is we don't have gas. We're going to

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Speaker 18: have coal. Okay, the other on a mountain of coal

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Speaker 18: it hun.

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Speaker 3: Or We've been traversing these arguments for ages. What happens now?

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Speaker 3: What happens to a commercial gas Let's say a commercial

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Speaker 3: gas user has a contract that expires at the end

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Speaker 3: of this month. What do they do.

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Speaker 18: Well? This household gas And obviously, despite the best efforts

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Speaker 18: of the Climate Change Commission in there and one views

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Speaker 18: that people that are at a household level have to

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Speaker 18: move away from gas. The reality is we are not

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Speaker 18: creating and producing enough gas from methodex well. Methodics have

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Speaker 18: already closed down a number of their gas lines.

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Speaker 3: Now the commercial available commercial gas users simply have to

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Speaker 3: move to electricity or something else.

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Speaker 18: Right, Well, if you just back to what was the

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Speaker 18: thinking behind Megan Woods and to Cinder, that is what

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Speaker 18: they wanted. They wanted to close the gas industry. It's

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Speaker 18: going to take a bit longer before we can get

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Speaker 18: more gas out of the ground because it's going to

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Speaker 18: cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: All right, By the way, what changed do you want

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Speaker 3: to see to Acts Regulatory Regulatory Standards Bill?

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Speaker 18: A Look, we're going to trust in the quality of

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Speaker 18: the Select Committee proceedings. When select committees work well, there

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Speaker 18: are a source of great insight and clarity, and that

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Speaker 18: particular bill will no doubt go through a refining process

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Speaker 18: at the Select Committee and when it comes back will

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Speaker 18: make a call as to the quality of the work

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Speaker 18: that was carried out by the selectivity.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Shane, appreciate it. Shane Jones, Associate Energy Minister.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for sy Ellen, Seriously, hither.

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Speaker 3: I need more than three seconds after the trigger warning

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Speaker 3: to turn the vacuous Harvard speaker off. That's Justina, by

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Speaker 3: the way, Hither, it's extremely dangerous to broadcast into Ardurne

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Speaker 3: praising herself during peak hours while we're driving home. Sorry, Hither,

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Speaker 3: I loathe ardurn Hither, I just turned you off for

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Speaker 3: the rest of the night. I didn't want to hear that.

657
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Speaker 13: All.

658
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Speaker 3: Can't say that word out loud. But I'll tell you

659
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: what's not as bad as the C word. But you

660
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: know we had to stand. It's just saying Heather did

661
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: not show any humility blubble anyway? Have we got to

662
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: that place now? Do we need to make it? Do

663
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: we stop playing you any just because I am doing

664
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: it deliberately to wind you up? You realize that because

665
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: everybody needs a little bit of a tickle up on

666
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: a Monday morning afternoon, don't we? But have we got

667
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: to the place where I've taken it too far? Have

668
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: I taken it too far? And when need to just

669
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: stop playing? Just cinder. We'll have a text pole on it,

670
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: and if it's overwhelming, we'll stop it. But if it's

671
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: even thirfty thifty, I'm gonna keep it going full teen

672
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: because I love it. Fourteen past five. Hey, Trad's you

673
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: need to check out the BYD Shark six. Now I've

674
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: been driving this thing for over a month and it

675
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: is abut. It's got everything that you need to do

676
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: your job right. You've got the four hundred and thirty

677
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: horse power, so you can tow, you can carry loads,

678
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: you can go off road if you find yourself doing

679
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: that in your job. It's got a plug as well

680
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: in the trays. You can plug your tools directly into

681
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: the vehicle and boom, you've got yourself a mobile generator

682
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: for when you need it. But also you don't have

683
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: to drive something that's crappy on the outside crappy on

684
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: the inside. This is luxury both ways. You got all

685
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: the mod cons. You got a big screen to control

686
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: everything inside the car, from the driver monitoring technology to

687
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: the air con to the radio, got the voice activation,

688
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: got your speed projected on the windscreen so you don't

689
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: even have to look around. Plus more, but check out

690
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: the price, because this thing is ridiculous for what you get.

691
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: It's yours from sixty nine, nine hundred and ninety dollars

692
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Speaker 3: plus on row costs and you get everything that you

693
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: expect to get in a modern car plus more been

694
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Speaker 3: reviewed and driven Car Guide. Check that out for more

695
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Speaker 3: check out byd auto dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 4: Ever do for c Allen.

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Speaker 3: I am gonna get in trouble about these texts. I'll

698
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: explain in a minute. Anyway. Eighteen past five. Now it

699
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: turns out people are stocking up on boxes of butter

700
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: at Costco because of the high prices. There's a man

701
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: from New Plymouth who apparently is traveling over seven hundred

702
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: and fifty kilometers to Costco and Auckland to buy the

703
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: butter in bulk and then sell it back to his community.

704
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: And there's a video of people buying like boxes, boxes

705
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: and boxes of butter at a time. Patrick Noon is

706
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Speaker 3: the retired managing director of Costco and he's with us. Now, Hi, Patrick, Hi, Heather,

707
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Speaker 3: how are you? I'm well? Thank you. Does this blow

708
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: your mind hearing this or is this exactly what you

709
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: would expect?

710
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Speaker 13: It was pretty much what I would expect. Costco has

711
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 13: a great model where they have the low margins and

712
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 13: they're honest to that, and from time to time you

713
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 13: say there's one of the fly items come up where

714
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 13: the market's gone a high on price, and Costco can

715
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Speaker 13: maintain the price that with their buying power, and all

716
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Speaker 13: of a sudden you've got great value in that business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looks to me like butter. There is

718
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Speaker 3: what is it ten dollars a cagey, which seems to

719
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Speaker 3: be to be about half the price of butter every

720
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Speaker 3: whe else, Because you're paying ten dollars for five hundred

721
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Speaker 3: grams elsewhere, aren't you.

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Speaker 13: I'm not in New Zealand, so probably what are you paying?

723
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Speaker 19: Where are you?

724
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Speaker 13: I'm in Sydney, sorry, Cya, Australia.

725
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Speaker 3: What do you pay for butter?

726
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Speaker 13: Oh that's a good question. I cann't tell you right now.

727
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Speaker 3: How do you not do the shopping in your household?

728
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Speaker 13: No, Alas, I'm more of a strategic thinker.

729
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Speaker 2: Heather.

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Speaker 3: You think you're the strategic thinker, but you try airing

731
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: them mental hello to a home and then you tell

732
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: yourself you're a here. We don't need to go down

733
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole anyway. How is it that they managed

734
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: to when everybody else is paying I think it is

735
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Speaker 3: about ten bucks for five hundred grams, and then Costco's

736
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Speaker 3: got a ten bucks for kge. How do they do that?

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Speaker 13: Well? The two things. One is that they have the

738
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Speaker 13: low margin, so they'll be able to off a butt

739
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Speaker 13: with low margins. The second thing is that Costco's buying power.

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Speaker 13: They're likely and I haven't been at Costco for a

741
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Speaker 13: year and a half now, but they're likely buying but

742
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Speaker 13: a well for worldwide distribution, so they're getting a big

743
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Speaker 13: volume break on the cost And is.

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Speaker 3: It legit like you're allowed to go in and buy

745
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Speaker 3: boxes at a time. They're not going to stop you.

746
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Speaker 13: Not at all. No, they should. There's very limited occations

747
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Speaker 13: that would happen. For example, eggs. We did it once

748
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Speaker 13: with eggs, I remember, because of the egg shortage in Australia,

749
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Speaker 13: and I think they've done that in the US as well.

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Speaker 13: But most other items that they can supply that commodity,

751
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Speaker 13: they'll supply as much as you want to buy.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant Patrick, thank you very much, really appreciate time. Patrick Noon,

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Speaker 3: retired Managing director of Costco. Okay, the texts here that

754
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: you should play Cindy on the radio continuously just before

755
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: the next election. Here the keep playing Cindy, we need

756
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: ongoing reminders of her disastrous performance and so on and

757
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Speaker 3: so forth. But the majority of the texts are overwhelming.

758
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: You've taken it too far, Heather, way too far, massive

759
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: trauma here, the stop playing you Cinder here, the stop

760
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: it heither too far here, the no more to Cinder here,

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00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: the please stop Heather, never play that beep again here?

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Speaker 3: The keep on ditch the beep definitely no, and just

763
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: carries on, just carries on. Now, why I'm going to

764
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: be in trouble is because I thought it's going to smattering. Well,

765
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: it's gone nuts, isn't it. And I did this once

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Speaker 3: before to the text machine and it didn't stop. Even

767
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: when Marcus started his show. It carried on. It carried

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Speaker 3: on for three days. Marcus wouldn't talk to me. I'd

769
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Speaker 3: emailed Marcus, I'm sorry about what I've done to your

770
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: text but she wouldn't talk to me. And you know,

771
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: Marcus is a pretty chill guy. He's furious. So anyway,

772
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Speaker 3: I may have done the same thing about you, Cinda,

773
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: but just goes to show how triggered we are by her. Still.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm going to say to you is I

775
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: am not going to keep to my promise. I said

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: that if it was overwhelming, don't play hurt, that I

777
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: would stop. But I'm not gonna I'm gonna keep on

778
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 3: because I think it's I think it's for the best.

779
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: We're all reminded of things five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

781
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth talk.

782
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: Sa'd be hither.

783
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: I was trying to decide would I have a cup

784
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: of tea or would I have wine? And then I

785
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: then I heard Cindy. Then my hands shook as I

786
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 3: poured the wine. Tough Times, Janets, Tough Times five twenty five. Hey, listen,

787
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: I've got a life tip for you. Grown ups should

788
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: not post their opinions on social media. Case in point,

789
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Speaker 3: Gary Lineker. Now Gary is about to announce that he's

790
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: leaving his job at the BBC because of a social

791
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: media post. Now, this in the UK is big news.

792
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: Gary's a very very popular host. He's the highest earner

793
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Speaker 3: at the BEE because of how popular he as he

794
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: gets a salary of about three million New Zealand dollars.

795
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Speaker 3: He's a former professional football player. I wager that if

796
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: you are anyone in the UK who Gary Lineker is,

797
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: they'll be able to tell you. That's how well known

798
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: he is, but he just torpedoed his own career, didn't

799
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Speaker 3: he by reposting a pro Palestine video on social media

800
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: that criticized Zionism and included an illustration of a rat.

801
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: Now know your history on this. A rat is an

802
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 3: image that was used in Nazi Germany to characterize Jews

803
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: as vermin. You don't get away with that. You got

804
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: to know what you're doing right. And the thing about

805
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 3: it is this wasn't even Gary's first mistake. Like first mistake,

806
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: you could go, oh, you know, cut the guy, but

807
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: a slack. He'd posted about migrant policy, got in trouble,

808
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: posted about the Tories, got in trouble, posted about politics

809
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: in general, got in trouble. And he'd be given chance

810
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: and chants and chants to learn that having a rant

811
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: on social media gets you in trouble. But he just

812
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: couldn't stop himself when it came to post in that

813
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: video in the little image of the rat. Now he's gone.

814
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: It is mind blowing to me that in twenty twenty five,

815
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: after twenty years of social media and if people get

816
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: in trouble, we still have people doing this. I mean,

817
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Speaker 3: we had Bussy Galore, the other day. We had Damian

818
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: O'Connor last year saying Hamas was justified in what they did.

819
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: In October seven to women and children, we had Penny

820
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: Hennare posting a picture of David Seymour with poe coming

821
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Speaker 3: out of his eyes and a bumhole for a pouth.

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Speaker 3: These are grown adults, Like It's like kindergarten stuff, isn't it. Ah,

823
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: You would think people would think it would learn it's

824
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: not worth it. But I guess the dopamine hit that

825
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: you get from people loving what you say and narcissism,

826
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: those things are strong motivators. It would transpire anyway. Now

827
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: here's the thing, this is what I think. Okay, some

828
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: people need social media for work influences for example, or

829
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: the Marori Party who appear to do all of their

830
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: politics there, and politicians who need it for publicity, and

831
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: maybe for them the rules are a bit different. Maybe

832
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: they just need to stick to the subject at hand.

833
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: Like footballers post about football nothing else, Marti Party post

834
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: about politics nothing else, and maybe don't tweet after you've

835
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: been drinking. But for the rest of us, get off.

836
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Adults do not need social media, Heather do for see

837
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Speaker 3: Ellen what happened to bussy Galore. Lord, nothing happened to

838
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: bussy Glore. Different standards for the left, you know that.

839
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: Don't get wound up about it is just how it

840
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: is now. If you haven't caught up on this debate

841
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: about the windows in Mount Eden and the resource consent,

842
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: you're we're going to talk about this next because somebody

843
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: went and put double glazed windows in but they had

844
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: the aluminum joinery and if you're Mount Eden, it's a

845
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Speaker 3: heritage listed got to have the wooden jordinary. Blah blah blah.

846
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: Let's turn into a huge debate. We'll talk to the

847
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: lawyer of the chap Heather. Shane Jones has learned well

848
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: from Winston, hasn't. He says a lot without saying anything.

849
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you noticed it, but Shane came

850
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: on this show and said literally nothing. He said nothing.

851
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Shane's going to say nothing. We're not going to have

852
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: him on the show. So next time we'll get one

853
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 3: more chance and we'll see how it goes. Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.

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00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with One New Zealand.

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00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Let's get connected.

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00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 4: And news talks.

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Speaker 12: They'd be here, you and my head when I'm dreaming,

859
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 12: you trying to my dream and brake.

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Speaker 3: If you carry on likeness, you're going to jeopardize your

861
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: lead listenership. Graham, good from you. That's a good joke.

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Speaker 14: I got it too.

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Speaker 3: Nikola Williss is with us after six o'clock and the

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Speaker 3: huddle is standing by right now. It's twenty four away

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Speaker 3: from six Now. Planning rules are back in the spotlight

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Speaker 3: with the case of a Mount Eden villa and its windows.

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Speaker 3: The council is forcing the owner of this villa to

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Speaker 3: take out his newly refurbished windows because they don't comply

869
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Speaker 3: with the heritage protections in the area, because the new

870
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Speaker 3: windows have aluminium frames when the traditional ones have timber frames,

871
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Speaker 3: and the new windows open to the outside rather than

872
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: slide upwards like the traditional sash windows. Alex Witten Hannah

873
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Speaker 3: is the lawyer for the homeowner and with us. Now, Hey, Alex, hello.

874
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 17: Heather, right here, you're going to give me a brutal grilling.

875
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: Who told you?

876
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Speaker 13: This?

877
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Speaker 4: Is?

878
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 13: This?

879
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: What they say behind my back?

880
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 17: It is exactly. I've got to be prepared for it.

881
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: Oh well, you're not going to get a brutal grilling

882
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: in fact, but I'll talk to Sam about that later.

883
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: He shouldn't give away the secrets of the game. Do

884
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Speaker 3: you accept, Alex that these are not heritage windows and

885
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: like clearly are not heritage windows?

886
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 17: Well, double glazing, of course it's not a heritage window,

887
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 17: but don't come at me with that.

888
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: You know they're not heritage. They're aluminium and they open

889
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: on those hinges to the outside.

890
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 17: The wooden frame around the windows is the original wooden

891
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 17: framing probably however many years old, seventy five years old

892
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 17: or something. It's the original wooden frames. It's only what

893
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 17: holds the glass together to enable double glazing. That's thin

894
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 17: aluminium strips. You can't see them from the road effectively.

895
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: I see. I don't have a problem with the thin Eleomon.

896
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to point out, though, you can get

897
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Speaker 3: double glazed sash windows and timber right because of rever idea, yes.

898
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Speaker 17: Idea, what the cost of that is? It's a prohibitive

899
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Speaker 17: cost of those people.

900
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Speaker 3: Not if you actually parallel and pulled them from Australia

901
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: via a particular company I can send to you, mate,

902
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Speaker 3: if you want to just do his own research on

903
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Speaker 3: the Googles, but Alex. The problem with them is not

904
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Speaker 3: so much the aluminum. It's the fact that the sash

905
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Speaker 3: windows obviously slide upwards. But these guys have a hinge

906
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Speaker 3: and they open like like a cheap hostel window, don't

907
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: they They look hideous?

908
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Speaker 17: Well, only if you're peering at them, and if you're

909
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 17: driving down the road or walking along the footpath you

910
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Speaker 17: don't see them.

911
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: Oh I would see it. It would offend my eyes. I

912
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Speaker 3: know what a villa looks like, don't you.

913
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Speaker 17: Oh well, in that case, we have to put up

914
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Speaker 17: a one point eight meter fence, says of right, and

915
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Speaker 17: then you won't see it. You won't be try.

916
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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to put up a one point eight

917
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: met defence, are you.

918
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 17: Of course, you are left to tell them to without approval.

919
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Speaker 3: What about a nice hedge, like a good leafy suburb edge.

920
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 17: Well, I think maybe some fast growing bamboo would do

921
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Speaker 17: the trick, and that would avoid people peering in and

922
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Speaker 17: getting offended by the fact that the windows open about

923
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Speaker 17: three or four inches.

924
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Speaker 3: How much was it going to cost to retrofit them

925
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Speaker 3: to the actual to look heritage.

926
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Speaker 17: Have no idea except that I did ask a builder

927
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Speaker 17: last night and he told me that you can spend

928
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Speaker 17: tens of thousands of dollars doing that.

929
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, absolutely you can, but how many.

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Speaker 17: Tens more tens than it would be with it? I

931
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Speaker 17: can tell you this for sure that my client had

932
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Speaker 17: he been told by the retrofit company that he'd have

933
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Speaker 17: to get a source consent and probably wouldn't get it

934
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Speaker 17: because the windows opened outwards a few inches or centimeters,

935
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Speaker 17: he wouldn't have done it. And I think a lot

936
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Speaker 17: of other people in Auckland with old villas aren't going

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Speaker 17: to do it now that Auckland Council has made it

938
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Speaker 17: clear that they have to go through all the costs

939
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Speaker 17: and humbug of a resource consent application, no assurance that

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Speaker 17: it's going to be granted, and then pay a very

941
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Speaker 17: large amount of money for these fanciful wooden frames.

942
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Speaker 3: Alex, what are you guys going to do? What's the plan?

943
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Speaker 17: Well, I'm hoping that given that the minister has called

944
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Speaker 17: what the council is doing nuts and that's why the

945
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Speaker 17: government is replacing the rim a, that I'm hoping that

946
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Speaker 17: the council staff who are responsible for this, it's it's

947
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Speaker 17: not the mayor, it's not the CEO. It's some lowly

948
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Speaker 17: staff have got the idea. I'm hoping that they will

949
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Speaker 17: realize the common sense approaches to tach their back off.

950
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Speaker 17: But if they don't and they go ahead and issue

951
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Speaker 17: abatement notices, then one we can appeal to the Environment Court,

952
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Speaker 17: and then the whole Environment Court scenario plays out a

953
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Speaker 17: great cost to the taxpayer and cost to my client.

954
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Speaker 17: I know, but it'll be a.

955
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Speaker 13: Ronment.

956
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Speaker 3: Well the time he's finished paying for you, he could

957
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Speaker 3: have just retrofitted his own windows, couldn't they.

958
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Speaker 17: I don't charge like that. Oh no, no, I'm very reasonable, Alex.

959
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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you. Thank you, rate look

960
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Speaker 3: after yourself. Alex Wittenhannah, lawyer for the mount Alden mount

961
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Speaker 3: Eden villa owner. It's nineteen away from six.

962
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Stubby's International Realty. Find you

963
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Speaker 1: all one of a kind.

964
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Speaker 3: I'm a huddle this evening. Trishurson, Sheerson, Willis Prum, Joe Speghany,

965
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Speaker 3: CEO Child Fund, Hello you guys.

966
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Speaker 20: Hello Hello Trisha.

967
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Speaker 3: You're in Aucklander and you live in a here is

968
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Speaker 3: Greyland a heritage erry. Oh absolutely, what do you think.

969
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 20: That I personally think that that style of aluminum window

970
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 20: is a crime against all that is is good. It's

971
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Speaker 20: so hideous, an absolutely hideous. Having said that, I do

972
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Speaker 20: think this is a great example of why Auckland Council's

973
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Speaker 20: costs are completely out of control. And did you see

974
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Speaker 20: the photos that council had taken of this. I mean,

975
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Speaker 20: imagine the cost of that little snapper going out and

976
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 20: photographing these open windows.

977
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Speaker 3: You know from you have to sort of lay and

978
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Speaker 3: wait into the window to open.

979
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Speaker 20: You absolutely what And I do think there is There's

980
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Speaker 20: two things here, and often these council debates come down

981
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Speaker 20: to this. One is it is realistic for these homeowners

982
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Speaker 20: to go with the most cost effective option, even though

983
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Speaker 20: I thank you for your insight into parallel importing the

984
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 20: wooden sashes. But the second thing is also that it

985
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 20: takes away, in my view, from an owner's right rights

986
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 20: around their own property. This is really nitpicking stuff.

987
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Jersey?

988
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean this is typical of the heritage groups

989
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 21: right where they feel like they can impose their own

990
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Speaker 21: values on everybody else. So I get it that they

991
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Speaker 21: want to keep their own houses heritage, you know, perfect

992
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Speaker 21: as it was one hundred years ago, but not everybody

993
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Speaker 21: wants to do that. And I do think we've got

994
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Speaker 21: a tendency in New Zealand to think that every flemyan

995
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 21: wooden barn is somehow heritage because we lack really old buildings.

996
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Speaker 21: So you know, I mean even in Paris has it,

997
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Speaker 21: you know, the loof which is this beautiful heritage building.

998
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 21: They can build a massive, big, modern glass pyramids, modernized.

999
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: Can't you use a better example? That looks ugly?

1000
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Speaker 21: Yeah, But the point is it's like saying there will

1001
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 21: be no innovation. I get that the aluminium windows, you

1002
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 21: don't like the look of them, but honestly, they've got

1003
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 21: no right to tell everybody else that they have to

1004
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 21: keep their home exactly as it was with aga burning,

1005
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 21: you know, ovens and god knows what else one hundred

1006
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 21: years ago. But the other thing I want to say

1007
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Speaker 21: about this is that this is typical of policy, right,

1008
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 21: and I know that the government is wanting to sort

1009
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 21: of roll back some of these regulations. But as a

1010
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 21: as a society, we have to decide we've got a

1011
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 21: housing crisis. We don't have enough houses. It's as simple

1012
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 21: as that, and that means there are tradeoffs. And one

1013
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 21: of the trade offs might be that not every house

1014
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 21: in Mount Eden gets to be caught a heritage house.

1015
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Speaker 21: And also that if you already own a house, if

1016
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Speaker 21: we build more houses, the value of your house might

1017
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Speaker 21: go down. The value of my house might go down.

1018
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 21: There are trade offs, right, So we have to solve

1019
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 21: one problem, not pretend that we can solve multiple problems

1020
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 21: with this everything bagel approach to housing.

1021
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 20: Well, and here's what makes a nonsense of this. We

1022
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 20: have our indies in a bunch over some aluminum windows

1023
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 20: in a villa in Mount Eden. Meanwhile, New Zealand's most

1024
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 20: historic building, which is the old Custom House on the

1025
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 20: waterfront in Russell, is being left to rot because neither

1026
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 20: the New Zealand Police or Heritage New Zealand can get

1027
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 20: their proverbial together to rescue that building.

1028
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: So which is arguably more important.

1029
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 20: Oh my goodness, So this shows one more.

1030
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Speaker 21: Here's just one more example, talking about Paris. So in Paris,

1031
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 21: and I lived there for nearly three years, so you

1032
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 21: cannot paint your balconies any other color bit black. So yes,

1033
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 21: Paris buildings look beautiful, but guess what, they have a

1034
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 21: hell of a lot more riots than we do. Because

1035
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Speaker 21: everybody who hasn't got a home, can't afford run in

1036
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Speaker 21: Paris in the city, lives in the ban lure in

1037
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 21: the suburbs, and terrible housing because you can't build it

1038
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Speaker 21: in Paris. I mean, there are all sorts of implications

1039
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Speaker 21: for this fetishization of an old villa that's actually only

1040
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 21: seventy years old and isn't even that pretty.

1041
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: Thank you both. We'll take a break and come back

1042
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: to it to politics. Obviously, quarter to.

1043
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Speaker 1: Two the Huddle with New Zealand Southbyast International Realty achieve

1044
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

1045
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle Trisiuson and Joseph Garney. Josie, So,

1046
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: do you think this debate about the punishment for the

1047
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: Maori Party, which is going to kick off tomorrow is

1048
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: going to overshadow the budget?

1049
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 21: Well, it could do, because as I understand it, if

1050
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Speaker 21: they do filibuster, i e. They make this debate tomorrow

1051
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Speaker 21: last until budget day. So I think they still pause

1052
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 21: for budget day. But what it would mean I guess

1053
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Speaker 21: is that Pati Mari MPs, because they wouldn't have had

1054
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 21: a vote, they'll still be in Parliament for the budget.

1055
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Speaker 21: So I think that's going to be the plan. I

1056
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 21: think it's going to look terrible for Labor if they

1057
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 21: do filibuster because people just look at it and they go, well,

1058
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Speaker 21: you know, I mean, the problem because it's so long,

1059
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Speaker 21: and it is the longest sanction that we've had in

1060
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Speaker 21: Parliament twenty one days or something. It's making it possible

1061
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Speaker 21: for the person Mari, for the MPs to present themselves

1062
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Speaker 21: as victims. So that's the only problem with having it.

1063
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Speaker 21: I think having the length so extreme that they can

1064
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Speaker 21: get away with that. So you know, I don't believe

1065
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Speaker 21: even if they miss budget day that they would actually

1066
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Speaker 21: miss out on their right to comment on the budget

1067
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Speaker 21: because you know, we all know every I mean media

1068
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Speaker 21: don't particularly cover it in the house, so I can

1069
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Speaker 21: stand outside Parliament and say whatever they want to say

1070
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Speaker 21: about the budget and it will be covered in the media.

1071
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Speaker 21: So but I think that's the length of the sanction

1072
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Speaker 21: is allowing them to present themselves as victims, and that's

1073
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Speaker 21: a problem.

1074
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Speaker 3: It's bloody awkward for Nicola though, isn't it tru because

1075
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Speaker 3: surely she wants some clear air ahead of the budget.

1076
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Speaker 20: Well, in my view, this will be worrying the government

1077
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Speaker 20: because it looks like political management has run away from

1078
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Speaker 20: them on what is the biggest set piece of the year.

1079
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Speaker 20: This budget is absolutely critical for New Zealand, but it's

1080
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Speaker 20: also really critical for National in setting up for next

1081
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Speaker 20: year's election. And I think the challenge that there's a

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Speaker 20: couple of challenges here that all New Zealand voters are

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Speaker 20: seeing at the moment is not the kind of political

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Speaker 20: theater we expect in Parliament, but it's actually a circus.

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Speaker 20: And the problem for Labor here is, you know, they

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Speaker 20: have such a thin grasp on economic credibility, which was

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Speaker 20: really ripped away from them again last week with the

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Speaker 20: Greens alternative budget. If they side too much with to

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Speaker 20: Party Maori going down this track of a filibuster, that

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Speaker 20: makes it harder for them to look credible with that big,

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Speaker 20: soft middle of center voters that they try. They're in

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Speaker 20: a tussle with National with so it's difficult for both

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Speaker 20: of those major parties to navigate this. But I imagine

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Speaker 20: if I Nikola Willis this week, I would be absolutely

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Speaker 20: apoplectic that my clean run into the budget has been interrupted.

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Speaker 20: And you only need to look at the post cabinet

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Speaker 20: presser today where the majority of the questions to the

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Speaker 20: Prime Minister and Nichola were actually on this topic, which

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Speaker 20: is not what they want to be talking about.

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Speaker 3: As your example, right, there is your proof that this

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Speaker 3: is stealing the limelight. Oh my gosh. Okay, anyway, Josie,

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Speaker 3: Gary Lineker, is he an example of why all right

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Speaker 3: thinking adults should take themselves off social media? Immediately?

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Speaker 21: I used to love Gary Lineker. I grew up in England,

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Speaker 21: you know, I left New Zealand, grew up in England

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Speaker 21: and he was such a hero, like playing for England.

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Speaker 21: He played for Tottenham, Everton, Leicester and he was this

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Speaker 21: sort of you know, glamorous footballer. He's just a complete

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Speaker 21: twat now, I don't. He keeps saying these things, so

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Speaker 21: the problem is he's got form with this, right yeah,

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Speaker 21: keep saying those political things that just wind people up.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 21: One was that the BBC should play this document on Gaza,

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Speaker 21: which turned out the young kid who was a hero

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Speaker 21: and it was actually the son of a Hamas minister

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Speaker 21: in the government, so and no one knew that at

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Speaker 21: the time, so it wasn't just a sort of innocent Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Gary shut just.

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Speaker 21: Shut up, I know, and I don't know. He must

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Speaker 21: know what he's doing because he's got form. But the

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Speaker 21: real issue here is not going to do his freedom

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Speaker 21: of speech. This is to do with a contractual agreement

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Speaker 21: that he because he's done it before, he had a

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Speaker 21: contractual agreement with BBC that he wouldn't do this again.

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Speaker 21: He wouldn't make political comments that made him basically, you know,

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Speaker 21: unappealing to one side or the other. He's now broken

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Speaker 21: that contract again. So it's really about employment law. But yeah,

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Speaker 21: Gaza used to be such cool dudes.

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Speaker 3: Now is life lesson in this trash? Isn't it? Get

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Speaker 3: off social media?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely, get off social media. And I'll tell you the

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Speaker 20: other very high value piece of reputation advice that I'm

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Speaker 20: happy to give out for free. Oh around this, it's

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Speaker 20: not only what you are posting that gives you away.

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Speaker 20: It's the time stamp on your posts.

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Speaker 3: Oh the old ten past eleven at night, we know

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Speaker 3: you've been all or.

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Speaker 20: The two am you know, anything past ten o'clock at night.

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Speaker 3: I'd go earlier, trash, Well, nine thirty is enough time

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Speaker 3: to get boozed.

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Speaker 20: I think nine. I personally would go with an out

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Speaker 20: of our If it's a professional post, keep it between

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Speaker 20: you know, nine and five or nine and seven anything

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Speaker 20: after that. When I see a time stamp anywhere after

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Speaker 20: ten pm, I think, oh.

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Speaker 21: That's just what I say to my kids. Actually, is that,

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Speaker 21: you know, kids, nothing good happens after midnight?

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Speaker 3: Bring bring it forward? Yeah, bring it forward. I think

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Speaker 3: I've got to be realistic, though, Heather, Yeah, well, on

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Speaker 3: the social media is nothing good happens after nine guys,

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Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate it. It's Tris Sherson and Joseph ac

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Speaker 3: gany seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio, powered by news Talks be.

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Speaker 14: Hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad I don't live in such a pre city.

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Speaker 3: Mayer Brown must get headaches from banging his head against

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Speaker 3: the toilet wall where he convent his f bombs at

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Speaker 3: leisure Noel, fair enough. Look, I am divided on the

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Speaker 3: heritage rules because I live in a heritage area and

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Speaker 3: it does prevent me from doing things at the front,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't prevent me from doing things at the back,

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Speaker 3: And so I sort of think, like, don't ruin it

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Speaker 3: with your cheap, gross little aluminum windows. But look, maybe

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Speaker 3: that's just that's just that's just my snobbishness coming out right,

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Speaker 3: happy to drink the instant coffee, not happy to have

1167
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Speaker 3: an aluminium window. We've all got our weak points, haven't

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Speaker 3: we Listen fascinating thing from Contact today, right. So what

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Speaker 3: they've announced is they're going to trial some technology that

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Speaker 3: it's going to let the EV owners only charge their

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Speaker 3: cars when electricity demand is at its lowest. And why

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Speaker 3: I care about this is because I've got an electric

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Speaker 3: car charger and I'm having some work down out the

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Speaker 3: back where the heritage rules don't apply. And I said

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Speaker 3: to the sparky, while you're out there doing the lights,

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Speaker 3: can you install this electric car charger? And then he

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Speaker 3: said to me, we need to have a phone call, Heather,

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Speaker 3: because you need to understand what you're doing. You want

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Speaker 3: to hear the rest of the story. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 3: you when I've got a bit of time later on.

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Speaker 3: Because those car charges, let me tell you, do you

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Speaker 3: want to have a fuse? Do you want a fuse

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Speaker 3: coming from the road to your house. You're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to hear this about the electric car charges. But next

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Speaker 3: up we've got Nikola. Willis going to talk to her

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Speaker 3: about the budget because I just feel like She must

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Speaker 3: be absolutely having her nickers ripped right now because all

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Speaker 3: budget week is Budget week is her big week, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: This is what she's been working on for months and

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Speaker 3: months and months and months as the finance minister. She's

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Speaker 3: got all her little books all in order. Borrowed money here,

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Speaker 3: stolen money there. Cut that thing got her and it's

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Speaker 3: a big reveal on Thursday. And what are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: M the Marti party again, So that will be very

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Speaker 3: deeply upsetting to her. So as I promised earlier. When

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Speaker 3: we're talking to Jason Walls, got a couple of questions

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Speaker 3: for her. Does the debate resume? Does it carry on

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Speaker 3: Tuesday Wednesday the filibustering then stop for the budget and

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Speaker 3: resume afterwards? Or what happens? Why does she need sixty

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Speaker 3: five million dollars to change the tax rules? And many

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Speaker 3: more where that came from. News talks had been.

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Speaker 4: What wit, what's up? What's down? What with a major cause?

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Speaker 4: And how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen and mayors, insurance and investments, grow your wealth,

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Speaker 1: protect your future?

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Speaker 3: The US talks at be even in coming up in

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Speaker 3: the next hour, Shane Soley on what that Moody's downgrade

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Speaker 3: of US government debt means for investors. Gavin Gray out

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Speaker 3: of the UK. We'll have more on the gas crunch

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Speaker 3: for commercial users at seven past six And with us Now.

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Speaker 3: Is Nikola Willis's finance minister in budget week? He Nikoler? Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 3: are you a bit gutted that this budget week is

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Speaker 3: being overshadowed by this business with the Marti Party punishment.

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Speaker 19: I know this week is still about the budget because

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Speaker 19: that's what's going to deliver benefits for New Zealanders, and

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Speaker 19: I think that's what most Keywis would want us focused on.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch one News and three News this evening.

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Speaker 19: I haven't watched them yet.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I hate to tell you, but it was

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Speaker 3: all about the Maldi Party punishment and very little about

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Speaker 3: your tax changes, wasn't it.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 19: I think that's going to frustrate New Zealanders because when

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Speaker 19: I speak with every day people, they're saying to me,

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Speaker 19: I'm worried about the cost of living, about the economy.

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Speaker 19: I want to see investment in the health system, and

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Speaker 19: that's exactly what the budget's about. This week. What they

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Speaker 19: don't want to see is parliamentarians obsessed with themselves, focused

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Speaker 19: on parliamentary procedure and breaking the rules.

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Speaker 3: Have you got any more You've got a couple more

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Speaker 3: days before the budget, a couple of full working days.

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Speaker 3: Have you got any more announcements lined up?

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Speaker 19: Yes, there will be ministers making a couple of small

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Speaker 19: announcements in the next couple.

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Speaker 3: Of ye yeh, and see small announcements are going to

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Speaker 3: be drowned out by that debate tomorrow, aren't they.

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Speaker 19: Oh well, look, come on, just to keep frust that's

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Speaker 19: right frustrating to you. We just need to focus on

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Speaker 19: the things that will make a difference to people we

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Speaker 19: can't control. To party, Marti, they will do what they

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Speaker 19: want to do it labor will do what they want

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Speaker 19: to do and how they want to be seen as

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Speaker 19: part of a chaoto fair it has distracted from the issues,

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Speaker 19: then that's on them to.

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Speaker 3: Be fair and it is fair that the opposition will

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Speaker 3: make hey, but this is an opportunity that was left

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Speaker 3: to them by Jerry Browne, the Speaker, a member of

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Speaker 3: your party.

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Speaker 19: Well, the process in Parliament is clear. There are rules.

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Speaker 19: If people break the rules, The Privileges Committee investigate those

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Speaker 19: rule breaks and then they determine what censure should occur.

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Speaker 19: The Privileges Committee have made a series of recommendations in

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Speaker 19: the House. Tomorrow, after question time, Judith Collins, the chair

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Speaker 19: of that committee, will present the report. A debate will ensue,

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Speaker 19: and how long that debate goes on is ultimately up

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Speaker 19: to the House.

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Speaker 3: Is it normal? Is it normal to have the debate?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's normal for everybody to be able to

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Speaker 3: debate it obviously debate the recommendations. Is it normal for

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Speaker 3: the speed get to point out to them that the

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Speaker 3: debate is available to them or is it normally just

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Speaker 3: a case if you move it and then get seconded

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Speaker 3: and there we go.

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Speaker 19: Well, that's it the discretion of the speaker. I think

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Speaker 19: what is unusual here in the way that Labour have

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Speaker 19: taken to party Marty's side, or seemed to be endorsing them,

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Speaker 19: taking actions which we're pretty threatening, pretty physical, and then

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Speaker 19: really thumbing their nose at the privilege.

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Speaker 3: How do you know that Labor has taken their side?

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Speaker 19: That seems to be the indications from Chris Hipkins public statements.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting that they're going to pay for that. Is

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Speaker 3: it normal though, for during one of these debates about

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Speaker 3: the Privileg's Committee for every single amendment to be debated

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Speaker 3: by everybody.

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Speaker 19: Again, well, I understand that that is the procedure of

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Speaker 19: the House and ultimately the Speaker is the right person

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Speaker 19: to make that determination. So those are his statements. As

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Speaker 19: I say, I believe in following the rules of Parliament.

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Speaker 19: The Speaker ultimately determines how those rules are applied, and

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Speaker 19: we respect his authority in that regard. It's a shame

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Speaker 19: that more members of Parliament don't expect the rules of

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Speaker 19: the place. We are there to do a job for

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Speaker 19: New Zealanders, not to just behave however we wish to behave.

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Speaker 3: Do you know whether this debate, because this debate can

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Speaker 3: go on for days and days and days, right, does

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Speaker 3: it end? Does Budget day end it? Or can it?

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Speaker 3: Or does it just pause? We have Budget Day and

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Speaker 3: then it resumes thereafter.

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Speaker 19: Well two things there. First, it's ultimately up to the

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Speaker 19: House how long that debate goes on, so we'll see tomorrow.

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Speaker 19: And then second Budget day is pretty sacrisanct because without

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Speaker 19: the budget you can't turn the lights on on the

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Speaker 19: schools and the hospitals.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 19: Going into people's bank accounts.

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Speaker 3: Do you know the answer to that question? Because I don't.

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Speaker 19: What I understand is that Budget Day will go ahead.

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Speaker 14: No I know that.

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Speaker 3: No, I know the debate is on. But does that

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Speaker 3: mean the debate pauses and then we resume it after

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Speaker 3: budget Day?

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Speaker 19: Well, all of that is to be made clear in

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Speaker 19: the next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Here now, why does it cost sixty three million dollars

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Speaker 3: to change tax rules?

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Speaker 19: To two changes that the government is making.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 19: The first miss recognizing that startups often want their employees

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Speaker 19: to be partly compensated in the form of shares in

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Speaker 19: the company, and at the moment that can create complications

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Speaker 19: because they have to pay tax on those shares even

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Speaker 19: before they've sold them. So we're putting in place a

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Speaker 19: deferral regime which we used to make well mean ten

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Speaker 19: million dollars less tax collected over the next four years.

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Speaker 19: The second thing is that we want to see more

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Speaker 19: foreign investors able to invest in New Zealand infrastructure and projects.

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Speaker 19: There's evidence that the rules around something called thin capitalization

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Speaker 19: are limiting how much investment happens in New Zealand. Basically,

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Speaker 19: they're denied interest deductibility for the borrowing they do. So

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Speaker 19: we've put out a consultation pape today to say, how

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Speaker 19: could we tweak the rules to make this a more

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Speaker 19: attractive place to invest. Ird estimate the cost of that

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Speaker 19: over the next four years would be around sixty five

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Speaker 19: million dollars. The precise cost depends on the final details

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Speaker 19: of the policy, which we intend to introduce in a text.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it's not sixty five million dollars to change

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Speaker 3: the rules. It is sixty five million dollars in what

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Speaker 3: it would cost to actually implement this.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, and less tax that will be paid.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, I've been thinking about the supermarkets thing that

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Speaker 3: happened on Friday, and I mentioned this on Friday after

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Speaker 3: I spoke to you, But I reckon that Wilworths may

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Speaker 3: have been firing you guys a little warning with that

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Speaker 3: GST claim. What do you think?

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Speaker 19: Well, I think Willworth know that New Zealanders are frustrated

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Speaker 19: by the prices they pay at the checkout. Will Worth

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Speaker 19: know that the Grocery Commission, the Commerce Commission, and many

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Speaker 19: other entities have pointed out that a lack of competition

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Speaker 19: in New Zealand is one factor driving higher prices to

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Speaker 19: Zealand shoppers and Willworths are pretty keen to protect their position,

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Speaker 19: which is one in which they act within a functional Jobbee.

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Speaker 3: That as a day. I think they're going to come

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Speaker 3: at you with the GST. Right, They're going to blame

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Speaker 3: you for the high prices of the groceries, don't you think.

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 19: I remain hopeful, Heather, that Willworth will see that the

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Speaker 19: government is very serious about getting a better deal for shops.

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Speaker 19: We have a number of options for how we proceed

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Speaker 19: and I think it would be better for we're Worth

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Speaker 19: to come to the table in the spirit of cooperation

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Speaker 19: than try and fight us on this one, because I

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Speaker 19: tell you what, there's a lot of issues that I

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Speaker 19: get involved in, and this is one where I reckon.

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Speaker 19: The vast majority of New Zealanders are on the government's side.

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Speaker 3: See I reckon if they start coming at you with

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Speaker 3: the GST, people will flip on this, don't you think.

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Speaker 3: I mean the GST is a hot button for people.

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Speaker 3: This is why we talk about it every election.

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Speaker 19: But that is not the driver of New Zealand having

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Speaker 19: much higher grocery places.

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Speaker 3: I've got somebody said to me on Friday, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is a great example. Tell me, Nikola, how

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Speaker 3: any of your supermarket reforms would bring down the price

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Speaker 3: of butter.

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Speaker 19: Well, have you been to Costco lately, Heather beause costing.

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Speaker 3: About it today?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: Well I I visited there a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 19: I was shocked because anyone who's gone on board a

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Speaker 19: five hundred grand box of butter at the surf market, Well, no,

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Speaker 19: it's up to about ten bucks at the moment I

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Speaker 19: went to Costco, they sell it in kilogram blocks for

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Speaker 19: nine nine five. Now, tell me how are they able

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Speaker 19: to do that? But they saw pack and save New

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Speaker 19: World cannot They.

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Speaker 3: Say, smaller margins but bulk buying. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: But then, but that says that you cannot split up

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Speaker 3: the supermarkets like you want to, because if you split

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Speaker 3: up the supermarkets, you're literally doing the opposite voult Bar.

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Speaker 19: It does not say that at all either, because Costco

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Speaker 19: is one shop, one shop in New Zealand and they

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Speaker 19: are able to offer that far more affordable but different.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, I'll go down to your local

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Speaker 3: New World and buy like five boxes a butter. You

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Speaker 3: do that at Costcos, Well, that's their b The.

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Speaker 19: Other thing about Costco is this within a twenty kilometer

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Speaker 19: radius of that store, prices at nearby supermarkets are cheaper.

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Speaker 19: Why because Costco has introduced competition to that community. And

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Speaker 19: that's my point. Where you have a competitor, everyone sharpens

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Speaker 19: up their prices, and that's what I want to see.

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Speaker 19: I want to see more petition and people sharpening up.

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Speaker 19: And I think it's a great thing that Costco are

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Speaker 19: competing by saying, look, you're worried about the price of

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Speaker 19: better we sell cheaper butter. And actually a lot of

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Speaker 19: New Zealanders do choose to do their full shop at Costco.

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Speaker 19: Some of them shop around and do other things as well,

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Speaker 19: But that has the effect I think of showing that

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Speaker 19: there are opportunities for the major sup of market chains

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Speaker 19: to lower their prices, and they don't seem to be

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Speaker 19: taking all of the opportunities available.

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Speaker 3: Make an excellent point. I'm going to give that one

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Speaker 3: to you, Nicola. Are you coming in on Budget Day?

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Speaker 3: On Thursday? We we're going to ban all talk of

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party. Are you coming into our post office

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Speaker 3: studio in Parliament?

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Speaker 19: I'm looking forward to it very much because the expression

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Speaker 19: on your face when I make really good points and

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Speaker 19: you just have that beaming smile that you're just stop

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Speaker 19: thinking what a great points you just made. But I'll

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Speaker 19: also be able to see your frown when you think

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Speaker 19: that I'm not making sense, so that I'll allow me

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Speaker 19: to crect myself quickly.

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Speaker 3: Five oh five Thursday. It's a date, Nicola, Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. Nichola willis the Finance Minister. Sixteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive Fulls Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebby Hither.

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Speaker 3: You are doing the same thing as the other workstations

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Speaker 3: TV one and TV three, and you're talking about the

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Speaker 3: Marti Party rather than what I want to know about,

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Speaker 3: which is the details about the overseas tax cuts. Thomas.

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Speaker 3: That's how it works. I don't get to decide what

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Speaker 3: the news is. The news is the news, right, I

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Speaker 3: bring you the news. I talk about the news. This

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Speaker 3: is a significant it actually is. I know Nikola was

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Speaker 3: trying to downplay this, like, ah, it's not that big,

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Speaker 3: it's just the rules of Parliament. We'll actually we'll get

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Speaker 3: into it at some stage, I'm sure, probably tomorrow. But

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Speaker 3: this is a reasonably significant deviation in how you do

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Speaker 3: things from the speaker. Therefore it is news. Therefore, he

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Speaker 3: has caused the whole of the week to be taken

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Speaker 3: up with something other than the budget, which is the

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Speaker 3: centerpiece for his party. It is a reasonably significant thing.

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Speaker 3: I got to talk about it, even though it unfortunately

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Speaker 3: drowns it out. This is what happens right Twitter, and

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Speaker 3: this is why it was an interesting call. Twenty pass six.

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Speaker 3: Shane Soley, harbor Asset Management is with us now.

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Speaker 14: Hey Shane, good evening here the house and.

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Speaker 3: Well thank you. So what does this credit rating down

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Speaker 3: grade mean for investment markets?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, so Moody's one of the credit agencies that talks

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Speaker 22: about how good a lender borrowers cut the US credit

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Speaker 22: rating from triple A toble a one that's on concerns

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Speaker 22: about ballooning US Ditton deficits. Now, they talked about successive governments,

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Speaker 22: not the current government, but pretty much the current government's

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Speaker 22: added to the fuel to the fire in terms of

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Speaker 22: trying to get sending tax cuts and they've got to

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Speaker 22: fund those tax cuts with more funding. So we certainly

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Speaker 22: see that trigger a bit of an increase in long

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Speaker 22: term government bond yours. This is what governments pay to

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Speaker 22: borrow to fund their activity. So we've actually seen those

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Speaker 22: rates increase over the last week or so in advance

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Speaker 22: of this funding extension for US tax cuts. Locally has

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Speaker 22: had a bit of an impact, a little bit of

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Speaker 22: impact on our market. We've seen our New Zealand government

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Speaker 22: bond yards go up to four point seven percent.

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Speaker 14: It's a recent high. Our share market was down one

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Speaker 14: point two percent.

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Speaker 22: Wouldn't be surprised to see a bit more violatility tonight

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Speaker 22: off the back of the credit rating, but it was coming.

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Speaker 14: It was just a matter of time.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of mixed economic data here back back

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Speaker 3: here in New Zealand today. What's going to happen with

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank cutting the official rates.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, So we had a couple of data points today.

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Speaker 22: Firstly, the New Zealand Services Industry Contracts that talks about

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Speaker 22: services companies how they're feeling. And that was week for

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Speaker 22: the third month in a row at forty eight point six,

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Speaker 22: when the indexes below fifty eight, men's businesses are actually

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Speaker 22: moving backwards. So it's telling us there's still pretty tough

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Speaker 22: times the services set.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 14: On the other hand, we had prices paid.

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Speaker 22: This is what we had to put into buying goods

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Speaker 22: and services for businesses up two point nine percent for

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Speaker 22: the quarter. But prices we actually we were able to

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Speaker 22: put out, we're only up two point one so the

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Speaker 22: companies had to we weren't able to pass through all

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Speaker 22: the higher prices now Reserve Bank, it's a bit of

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Speaker 22: a tough setup for them. The economic data says we

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Speaker 22: should be cutting rates, and indeed this inflation data suggests

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Speaker 22: they're still in the band, but maybe it's not enough

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Speaker 22: for them to really open the taps up on the

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Speaker 22: twenty out of May, they cut maybe not as much

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Speaker 22: as we'd all.

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Speaker 3: I am all right, hey, and what we've got the

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Speaker 3: budget coming up on Thursday. Obviously, what are investors expecting.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, look, we expected to be prudent, you know, despite

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Speaker 22: this week economic outlock, which means lower tax tape.

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Speaker 14: It means the government's going to have to work harder

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Speaker 14: in terms of.

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Speaker 22: Making sure they get some some spending cuts through markets

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Speaker 22: are going to be focused on the degree of debt issuance.

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Speaker 22: How much money does the government have to to raise

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Speaker 22: to keep the halls of government going. The expectations are

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Speaker 22: forty to forty two b and gross that's a gross number.

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Speaker 22: Doesn't include some netting off and if they can come

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Speaker 22: in that range, that will actually be a good thing.

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Speaker 14: Markets might like that. They'll be able to scrutiny around infrastructure.

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Speaker 22: Housing and healthcare policy in terms are laying up for

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Speaker 22: the future, and maybe a little bit interested in that.

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Speaker 14: QUI say, the change is potential, and so the change

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Speaker 14: there brilliant stuff.

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Speaker 3: Shane, always good to talk to you. It really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Shane solely harbor asset management. Right, I'm going to tell you,

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Speaker 3: Heather that Buttle will be a lost leader. This government

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Speaker 3: and the previous have no idea how the supermarket industry works.

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Speaker 3: Watch the prices go up if they break up the

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 3: distribution from the retail. Tell you next about installing this

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 3: electric car charger six twenty three.

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 4: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: The business hour where the head of dupliclen and mairs

1513
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1514
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 4: News Talks ENV.

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: Twenty six past six. So I was getting the electric

1516
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: charger installed right by the SPARKI and he said, I've

1517
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 3: got to call you, got to talk to you about this,

1518
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: so you know what you're doing. So this is the problem.

1519
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: This is not a problem unique to my house. By

1520
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: the way, this is basically everybody's house, right, So your

1521
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 3: house draws sixty three amps from the road, and that's

1522
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: what you've got available to run everything you want at

1523
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 3: your house. So the pool, maybe the pool uses ten amps.

1524
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 3: You got sixty three, pool uses ten. Maybe the SPA

1525
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 3: uses fifteen. And he was like, your car charger will

1526
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: use thirty two. That's how heavy that car charger is.

1527
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: It will use fully half the amps, like more than

1528
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: half the amps. And I'm drawing from the road.

1529
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa.

1530
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 3: He goes, I can wind it down, and he can.

1531
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: He said, I'll wind it down to half. It's gonna

1532
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: take twice as long to car charge. The car will

1533
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: still be fast, but still was a fast charger. But

1534
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 3: he was like, still it's gonna use sixteen apps, which

1535
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 3: is as much as a sparple. And he was like,

1536
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 3: if I install this, you have to promise you're only

1537
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: going to run it at night. You cannot charge your

1538
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: car during the day because during the day you've got

1539
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: the fridge running and the TV running, in the lights running,

1540
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: you got the washing machine going and the dryer going,

1541
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 3: you got the pool in the spa. You got the

1542
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 3: blinking wine fridge, you know, the internet, like everything is

1543
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: going and he was like, if you start charging your

1544
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: car during the day, you're gonna blow the fuse, and

1545
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: he goes, you can blow the fuse once, maybe Vector

1546
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 3: will come and replace it. You blow the fuse a

1547
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: second time. If you blow the fuse a second time,

1548
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: they are going to make you pay for a new fuse.

1549
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 3: Will fix everything yourself, right, So I was like, okay,

1550
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 3: I can do that. Is that? I was like, is

1551
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 3: that normal? He's like, yep, that's normal. This is why

1552
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: we're having to start going to third world situations where

1553
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: we're controlling you know what you're what's that thing called

1554
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 3: the hot water cylinder? Now you've now we've got to

1555
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: start turning that off during the night and all this

1556
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Anyway, so the point of me telling

1557
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: you this is because Contact is doing this trial. I

1558
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: want to talk to Contact about this. Contact what are

1559
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: you're don't come talk to me about it. I want

1560
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: to talk to Contact about it because this sounds like

1561
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 3: the business.

1562
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 13: Right.

1563
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 3: They're trialing a thing we can plug your car in

1564
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: and it will determine for you when your energy usage

1565
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: is at the lowest and then it will charge your car.

1566
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: And when the energy usage is going up and stuff,

1567
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 3: it stops charging the car because can you imagine, okay

1568
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 3: meagine you've got an electric car. You'll live in at

1569
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 3: my house. Obviously got an electric car. And then the

1570
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 3: spark he's like, you can only charge that car during

1571
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 3: the night. So now it's ten o'clock at night and

1572
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: you're about to go to bed, and the last thing

1573
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: you do before you go to bed is that you

1574
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 3: put your dressing gown out and wander out in the

1575
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: rain to charge your car in the cold. Oh hell no.

1576
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: And then you've got to get up before all the

1577
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 3: lights go on and the fridge starts, and the fridge

1578
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: is always on. But you know before everybody gets up

1579
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: and put the toaster on, that you go unplug it again.

1580
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 3: No thanks, contact, I want your stuff. Talk to me headlines.

1581
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 4: Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1582
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 1: It's Heather dupleic Elan with the business hour and mass

1583
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: insurance and inventors, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1584
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 4: These talks end me true.

1585
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm not to tell you about this journalist who

1586
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: managed to board a plane. She wasn't on the plane.

1587
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 3: But she was on the plane. It's a really weird story.

1588
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 3: I'll tell you in a minute. It's twenty four away

1589
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 3: from seven now. Commercial gas users are likely to face

1590
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 3: unsustainable prices this year, according to the Gas sector regulator,

1591
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: Gas industry companies later as quarterly reports their supply of

1592
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: gases falling, but demand are staying constant, and that means

1593
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: customers with contracts expiring are either not being offered new

1594
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: contracts at all or just having to pay a hell

1595
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 3: of a lot more for their gas. John Carnegie is

1596
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 3: the chief executive of Energy Resources Ultier or Hey.

1597
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 6: John, Hey there you going.

1598
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Like what kind of an

1599
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 3: increase in prices are we talking?

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Speaker 6: Oh, look at that. It depends on the volume that's

1601
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 6: being demanded by the specific businesses. So it's a bit

1602
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 6: hard to pick a number, but they are sizeable percentage increases, like.

1603
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 3: Enough to enough to basically not be able to afford it.

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 6: Well again, that's businesses are under a lot of cost pressures.

1605
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 6: But you know, again that's that's up to the economics

1606
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 6: of the particular business. But it's certainly at a time

1607
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 6: when costs arising across the board. Becoming more and more

1608
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 6: difficult for our business community who are using using gas.

1609
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: What options do gas users have them if they're if

1610
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 3: they're in the commercial game, it's gas or electricity. Isn't

1611
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 3: as simple as that.

1612
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 6: Well, look, it kind of is. But first I'd actually

1613
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 6: like to actually just acknowledge the really tough position these

1614
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 6: businesses are in, yeah, and also say that it's one

1615
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 6: they actually should never have had to face, given the

1616
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 6: abundance of our natural resources. So against that backdrop, look,

1617
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 6: you're you're basically right, it's they've got a choice. Well,

1618
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 6: there's there's LPG. Could some of their problems so bottle

1619
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 6: bottle guess, depending on how much they use, they could

1620
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 6: of course pay the high gas prices if it's commercial

1621
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 6: for them to do so. But other than that, it's

1622
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 6: electrification or actually the worst possible outcome closure, Yeah.

1623
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,839
Speaker 3: And do you expect that we will see many businesses

1624
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 3: closed because of this?

1625
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 6: I would hope not. I mean, I think this is

1626
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 6: the business community is looking to the government for some

1627
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 6: solutions around this, and hopefully those solutions are going to

1628
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:39,520
Speaker 6: be forthcoming.

1629
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 3: So what solutions, I mean, apart from subsidizing, what else

1630
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: can we do?

1631
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 6: Well, we can encourage, the government could encourage for the

1632
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 6: expiration of more natural gas.

1633
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: The natural gas is this government has listened. This government

1634
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 3: has been in for eighteen months and absolutely didly squat

1635
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 3: has happened on the gas gas front. And I am

1636
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 3: starting to very reluctantly come around to the idea that

1637
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: maybe Megan Woods isn't the problem. We are just running

1638
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 3: out of gas, because if we had gas out there,

1639
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: and if there were all of these viable gas fields,

1640
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 3: surely by now somebody would have tapped them.

1641
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 6: No. Well, I mean that completely belies the fact that

1642
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 6: the twenty eighteen decision smashed investor confidence, and so investors

1643
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 6: in the upstream are reluctant to put their money on

1644
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 6: the line. When we've got a prospect, particularly of a

1645
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 6: government that will come in in let's say, three six

1646
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,440
Speaker 6: nine years time and flip the switch on its head.

1647
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 6: That is an untenable risk for explorers to take, and

1648
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 6: they cannot take it without the government helping de risk

1649
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 6: that proposition. So you know, if we don't, you're right,

1650
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 6: We like you, have been waiting for eighteen months for

1651
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 6: us signal from government that they are going to a

1652
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 6: step in und risk that the issue is if they

1653
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 6: do not, we have a very very bumpy decade or something.

1654
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 3: It doesn't the government just do it itself.

1655
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 6: Well, they tried that in the eighties. Wasn't a raving success,

1656
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 6: I have to admit.

1657
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: So if you think the gas is there, and if

1658
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 3: it one is there and we one hundred percent need it,

1659
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 3: then it's a no brainer, isn't it. If nobody else

1660
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 3: is going to do it, they need.

1661
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 4: To do it.

1662
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 6: Well, Well, I mean our preference is that the government

1663
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 6: puts in place the right conditions to encourage the private

1664
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 6: sector to invest, just like in any other business here.

1665
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 3: But I mean it's clearly not happening, is it.

1666
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 6: Well, it's not happening because we don't have those right

1667
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 6: regulatory and commercial conditions yet. That's the thing. So we're

1668
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 6: kind of round and round on this and waiting for

1669
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 6: the government. No, I don't, I don't. I don't think.

1670
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 6: I don't think we are who for then, Well, it's

1671
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 6: a collective government decision. So it's for the all of

1672
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 6: the coalition of partners to make a decision as to

1673
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 6: whether or not they want to put their money into

1674
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 6: the film industry or the oil and guests.

1675
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 3: John, thank you. I appreciate it. John Carnegie, Chief Executive

1676
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 3: Energy Resources. I will say that I'm starting to get very

1677
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 3: suspicious about this whole situation. We'll talk about it at

1678
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: some stage. Eighteen away from.

1679
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 4: Seven, Heather doups the.

1680
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 3: Heather. You know you can schedule your charging through the

1681
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: car Slash app, so you get home, plug it and

1682
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 3: wouldn't charge until the schedule time you set Caxson Safe,

1683
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,959
Speaker 3: Thank you Safe. I don't know if that is available

1684
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 3: on my particular charges. I've already got the charger. Let's

1685
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: be clear about this charger is pre bought charger exists.

1686
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's on the charger. I don't know.

1687
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 3: If I have that, I'll check it out, put it on.

1688
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 3: Don't know if it's on the charger of rustle hither

1689
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 3: or how old is you're sparky. There are smart charges

1690
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 3: that canmit it, but maybe I don't have a smart charger.

1691
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not what I've bought. What was just reported

1692
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 3: on the news about ev charging is total nonsense. The

1693
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 3: charger automatically adjusts based on your homes. It has to

1694
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: be smart, though. Do I have a smart one? Heather?

1695
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 3: Kiwi ex charger maker Fnex automatically charge your car up

1696
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 3: and down base. So I don't have an EVNIX, so

1697
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: maybe the problem is maybe I've got the wrong charger.

1698
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: Oh well, I've got obrage gone and got it. It's

1699
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: a me problem, isn't it. Shut up? Whatever, Hey, listen,

1700
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: I've got to tell you about this. So a wild

1701
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 3: thing happened to this BBC journalist on a flight from

1702
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 3: London to Madrid the other day. She traveled on the

1703
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 3: wrong name and no one realized. No one realized. So

1704
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: what happened is she was going for work for the

1705
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: BBC and she tried to check an online and it

1706
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 3: didn't work. So she's thor, I'll just do it when

1707
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 3: I get there. So she went to one of those

1708
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 3: little self self served chaosks at Heathrow and it didn't work.

1709
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: So she went to the chicken desk and the British

1710
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 3: Airways staff member checked in her bag for her, gave

1711
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: her her boarding pass. She took the pot thanks, headed

1712
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: off through security, went through, went to the plane. At

1713
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: the gate she got on you know, there's the hello,

1714
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 3: welcome to the plane staffer who's there, And she gave

1715
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: her pass board and her boarding pass to that lady

1716
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 3: man whatever, and they looked at it and went, oh,

1717
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 3: goodyear and go to the business classes. Sat down in

1718
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 3: business classes. Oh jest, it's weird. I'm sitting in business cluss.

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Speaker 3: BBC's bump me up. They can't usually afford this kind

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Speaker 3: of thing. Oh well, here, I am had a happy

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: flight lands in Madrid. That's when things start to go

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 3: wrong because when the phone connects to data ding, she

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: gets an email and it goes, your return flight has

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Speaker 3: been canceled. She's like why and they were like, well,

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01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: because you didn't catch the flight to Madrid. And she

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01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: was like, I literally did. I am in Madrid, I

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 3: got on the flight. Why did you cancel my return flight?

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01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: So she had this huge true and fro with her

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Speaker 3: travel agency, because you know BBC will have a travel agency,

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01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 3: a huge to and fro between herself and the travel

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01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: agency and British Airways, and British Airways wouldn't accept it.

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01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: Finally they realized she had a boarding pass not her name.

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01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: She didn't fly as her name, she flew as Hugh.

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Speaker 3: Hugh first name, she's not revealing his second name. Second

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: name starts with hr. Second name starts with H as well,

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Speaker 3: but that's the only similarity. He's a man, she's a lady,

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Speaker 3: and his name's Hugh. So what's weird is no one

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01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 3: knows what went wrong. I mean clearly, old mate who

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 3: checked her in checked her in under the wrong name,

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01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: and then nobody else realized that she's under the wrong name.

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01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of human error. But nobody knows

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01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 3: why she was checked in under the wrong name because

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01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: they can find no record of Hugh h. Hugh h

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01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 3: doesn't exist. She went online. She found another person with

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01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 3: a similar name, Jonathan Space Hugh space h for the surname,

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01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: and he did fly on British airways. But but he

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 3: flew the day after her, and he didn't leave. He

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01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: throw he flew into Heathrow. So and may I remind

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01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 3: you the name wasn't the same. So how weird is

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01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: that she flew under the name of somebody nobody knows.

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01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like she took somebody's seat. It's like

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:58,520
Speaker 3: some random nobody knows. Weird things happened quarter to whether.

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Speaker 4: It's macro microbe just playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Hither dupleic Hellen

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01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: and Mayer's insurance and investments.

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Speaker 4: Grow your wealth, protect your future. He's talks in me.

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01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: Hither everyone knows huh he owns plain boy, Get your

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01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: mind out of the gutter. It's twelve away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray as our UK correspondent. Hey, Gevin, Hi there right?

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Speaker 3: So has Gary officially announced that he's gone?

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 23: Not yet, but we think he will. We're talking about

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01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 23: Gary Linka, the former England footballer, of course and star,

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Speaker 23: but also the highest paid BBC TV presenter. Controversial not

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 23: because of his presenting skills, but controversial because over his

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01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 23: career he has continued to post on social media. Now,

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Speaker 23: as a former BBC myself, you know, it just is

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Speaker 23: not done by the majority of staff, and there were

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Speaker 23: plenty of people in the newsroom in particular who, frankly

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01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 23: I thought there was double standards. I think was what

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Speaker 23: some in the newsroom thought about, how he seemed to

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01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 23: be allowed to say what he wanted on social media

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01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 23: and yet people in the newsroom received some pretty serious

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01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 23: action if they did the same. So what appears to

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 23: tit the balance? We expected Gary Lineker to present his

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 23: final match of the day next weekend and then stay

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01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 23: within the BBC, but not present match of the day anymore.

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Speaker 23: The football program instead to present things like the coverage

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 23: of the World Cup and other major sporting of things

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Speaker 23: like this. But it now looks like he is having

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01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 23: to go why because of social media again? So last

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01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 23: week he had to apologize after sharing a social media

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 23: post about Zionism that included an illustration of a rat.

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01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 23: Now the rat, of course, is historically used as an

1784
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 23: anti Semitic insult. Liniger said he regretted the references. He

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01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 23: didn't know it was a reference to that, and he

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01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 23: said he would never knowingly share anything anti semitic. He

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01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 23: deleted the post, but it blew up into one big rowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, Kevin, I just don't buy

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 3: that because if you post a picture of a ret

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01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: next to anything, by its very nature being pejorative. So

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01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 3: what is wrong with him?

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01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 23: Very good question. He has continued to talk out about things,

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01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 23: predominantly about migration in this country, which has wound up

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01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 23: lots of people. Why does his opinion about migration and

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01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 23: small boats matter any more than anyone else's. He's a

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01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 23: footballer and a television presenter. He is not a politician,

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01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 23: and yet has a massive following on social media and

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 23: it's got him in trouble before and here we are again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well see now listen, what is the post

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Speaker 3: Brixit negotiation that has reached some sort of consensus.

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Speaker 23: Yes, so big meeting today between Sekire style at the

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01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 23: UK Prime Minister and other EU leaders. It is the

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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 23: first bilateral meeting between the UK and the EU since Brexit,

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01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 23: and this government says it wants to get on and

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01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,919
Speaker 23: reset relations with the EU after some bitter talk over Brexit.

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Speaker 23: So plenty of Brexiteers are going to be nervously watching

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01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 23: what's being agreed because of course the EU will want

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01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 23: something back from the UK if the UK is demanding

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01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 23: one or two things. So apparently discussions over the weekend

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01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 23: included defense, trade, fishing rights, and a possible youth mobility scheme. Now,

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01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 23: fishing rights very controversial, lots of European boats use our

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01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 23: waters and many argue we don't get much back in return.

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01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 23: And the youth mobility scheme well, at the moment we're

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01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 23: trying to cut migration and net migration, so adding to

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01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 23: the figures would seem to be contra to what most

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01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 23: people will say they want. And also it looks like

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01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 23: the stumbling block late last night was fishing rights. So

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Speaker 23: plenty of people waiting to hear what the European Commission

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01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 23: President Ursula Underlyon and Secure Starmer will say. Having struck

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01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 23: this deal, which we now believe is ready to go.

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Speaker 23: Announcements around trade and security probably include British access to

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 23: roughly two hundred and eighty billion New Zealand dollars for

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 23: the EU Defense Fund, and that could be a big

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01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 23: boost for UK defense companies.

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Speaker 4: But what will have to.

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Speaker 23: Be agreed otherwise? Certainly it now would appear that the

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Speaker 23: Conservative leader, the leader of the opposition and there a

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01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 23: form UK leader Nigel Faraje are saying it's a surrender,

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01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 23: yet we don't really know what's in it yet.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, thank you so much, Gevin. As always, Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondent Height away from seven.

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Speaker 3: I just want to point out that I was just

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01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 3: having a look at an email from Dylan and Dylan

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01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 3: has made the point that Jacinda saying that she's got

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01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 3: imposter syndrome. But we're not gonna talk about Justinda anymore

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 3: after this, which is very easy to say. This is

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01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 3: five minutes in the hour, but j just Sinda saying

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01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: she has imposter syndrome is hilarious because she has done

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 3: a prime ministership, two books and a documentary that really

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01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 3: screams imposter syndrome. Very good point, Dylan, thank you. Now

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Speaker 3: the latest I've I meant to get this to this

1844
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: earlier and it's the crime that I haven't. But anyway,

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01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: the latest disclosures of what politicians own came out today,

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 3: been released by Parliament, and we can stop giving the

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01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 3: Prime Minister a huge bunch of pains in the butt

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01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 3: trying to avoid swearing right now, so it's not a

1849
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 3: good look. We can stop giving him a hard time

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01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 3: for owning too many properties because he sold them down.

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01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 3: He doesn't have seven anymore. He's only got three, two

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01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: residential properties and one investment property in Auckland. Now we

1853
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 3: can start having a go at Adrian the Rudraf of

1854
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: Labor because let me read you his list family home

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01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 3: in Fungi, who interests in twenty six Maori land blocks

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01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 3: in the Altier district, interests in another block in tai Tokuro,

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01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 3: interests in another two blocks in Takitimu, interests in eleven

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01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 3: blocks in Waipu Namu and interest in a Waipoo general

1859
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 3: landblock at rats and a pass. So hello, who's loaded now?

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01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Carlos Chung of Nationals got quite a lot. He's got

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01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 3: about seven properties. Palmji Palma is doing pretty well for herself.

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01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 3: Todd Stevenson of Actors doing well for himself. But get

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: a load of this. These are the properties overseas, ah,

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01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: who is this? This is? Todd Todd has got two

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01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: apartments in Australia, one in Sydney, one and g Long.

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: Camilla Balach of Labor has a family home in London

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01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 3: former family home. Todd McLay from National has a home

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01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 3: in Belgium. Mark Mitchell has a alo holiday home in Bali.

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01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 3: Maureen Pugh has a time share in New South Wales.

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01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 3: Jenny Salissa of Labour has two acres of land in

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01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 3: Tonga and Aishavero has a jointly owned family property in

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01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 3: the Maldives. Not too bad and Elton.

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01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 24: John Rocketman to play us out tonight. He has had

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01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 24: a go at the UK government. He says there are

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01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 24: a bunch of absolute losers. Basically, they were going to

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01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 24: put through the House of Lords put through a law

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01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 24: that would have made that anyone making an AI would

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01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,520
Speaker 24: have to ask a musician or a copyright holder permission

1879
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 24: before they train their AI on material that musician puts out.

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01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 24: And Elton John thought it was a great idea, but

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01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 24: the House of Commons hoded it down. So he's very

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01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 24: not happy about that and he's absolutely gone and on

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01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 24: them on on the BBC. So there you go. Elton

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01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 24: John says he's incredibly betrayed and the government's trying to

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01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 24: rob young people of their legacy and they're absolute losers.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine having to us? So what is that

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01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 3: would they have to go? How hold on? We've got

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01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 3: to ask Alton permission? And David Bowie.

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Speaker 24: Everybody, you know how you get royal assent where the

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01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 24: queen signs the law before it become become a law.

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01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 24: Maybe we just had a fourth step where Sir Elton

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01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 24: John also just as queens an Elton assent.

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 3: Jase, honestly, Elton, I love him, but really, hey, have

1894
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 3: a lovely evening. We'll see you tomorrow. And you know

1895
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 3: what we're talking about, don't you? Yes, we're talking about

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01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: that in Parliament. Of course, News Talks he'd be.

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