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Speaker 1: The battle of a smoke free in our approach to

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Speaker 1: vaping has another chapterated to it. Today new rules apply

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Speaker 1: all disposable vapes of band advertising rules of being tightly.

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Speaker 1: The Associate Health Minister Casey E. Costello is with it's

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Speaker 1: Casey morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, makee.

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Speaker 1: How much of this whole thing is being driven by

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Speaker 1: hard data and you know it will eventually work versus

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Speaker 1: a sort of a suck and scene and let's give

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Speaker 1: it a go.

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Speaker 2: The hard data really is the fact that we have

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge the contribution vaping had made to people stopping smoking.

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Speaker 2: So we saw two hundred and thirty thousand people quit

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Speaker 2: smoking from twenty twenty to twenty three three, massive decline,

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Speaker 2: more than we've seen in the whole period since we

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Speaker 2: started the smoke free campaign. So we know vaping needs

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Speaker 2: to accurre what we don't have in place and didn't

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Speaker 2: have in place with regulation to control vapes. And that

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Speaker 2: was the part that has been this on the fly

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Speaker 2: policy development. What we now know is that there is

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Speaker 2: an attractiveness to vaping and that's why the US target

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Speaker 2: that has been targeted, and that's why we're targeting the

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Speaker 2: display component to ensure that we're not enticing. And you've

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Speaker 2: seen them. I've seen them. The attractiveness of these vaping stores.

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Speaker 2: They look like a smiggle shop, you know, that sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff is.

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Speaker 1: Try Is this material? So is what's happening today a

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Speaker 1: game changer and all material in the battle?

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Speaker 2: It is a step forward, and that's the part that

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Speaker 2: we have to you know, we we have to keep

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Speaker 2: moving forward. We've got another advisory group about what's the

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Speaker 2: next state that we need to move to. But this

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Speaker 2: is stepping in the right direction and listening to those

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Speaker 2: that are concerned about use vaping. With increased penalties, with

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Speaker 2: increased enforcement, we're now attacking the displays. And this legislation

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Speaker 2: was passed last year. We've just given a six months

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Speaker 2: lead in time to get off the ground.

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Speaker 1: I was reading some numbers the other day. There needs

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Speaker 1: to be to be truly smoke free, which I never

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Speaker 1: thought we were going to get there anyway. But be

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Speaker 1: that as it may, it needs another eighty thousand people

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Speaker 1: to quit that I don't think they're going to. We're

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Speaker 1: about where we're at, aren't we. I mean, we've done

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Speaker 1: pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I think we will still see further declines. I think

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Speaker 2: we're looking really good. And if you think of that,

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Speaker 2: you know, three years we had two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand people quit smoking, So you know that's that's that

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Speaker 2: eighty thousand the year is feasible. It's possible. And what

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Speaker 2: we don't know is that we've got the figures from November.

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Speaker 2: From June twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five, we

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Speaker 2: won't know those results to all about November this year

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Speaker 2: once the survey data comes out. What is encouraging though,

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Speaker 2: is that from the ASH year ten Health Survey data,

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Speaker 2: which has been ongoing for a number of years, they

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Speaker 2: have seen, for the third year in a row, use

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Speaker 2: of vaping numbers decline, and that is the encouraging part.

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Speaker 1: You were you were never attempted to go to the

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Speaker 1: Australian script route.

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Speaker 2: No, we're still we were very keen to maintain availability

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Speaker 2: for those that have quit smoking. And that's the trouble

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Speaker 2: is that we're dealing with those demographics that are harder

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Speaker 2: to reach. The PACIFICA and Marti community still remain to

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Speaker 2: be the highest smoking numbers and reducing availability to those

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Speaker 2: that aren't regularly engaged with the health system was going

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Speaker 2: to be a real problematic deterrant to accessing the quit

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Speaker 2: smoking tools that I think they need.

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Speaker 1: Those shops, do you reckon they're laundering money? There's so

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Speaker 1: many of them, and you think, how is it possible

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Speaker 1: with a reducing customer base. There's so many shops opening

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Speaker 1: up with so much the fit out on some of

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Speaker 1: those shops. Case, you've got to wonder where the doos

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Speaker 1: coming from, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, given my work on organized crime, I'd be really

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Speaker 2: concerned if that was the case.

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Speaker 1: But I think you want to pass one of those

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Speaker 1: shops and thought old on there. That doesn't match the

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Speaker 1: customer base.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is that you've got to look

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Speaker 2: at their legitimate businesses. So they are being audited, We

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Speaker 2: have increased enforcement, they are being ordered, they are paying taxes,

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Speaker 2: all of those sort of things. We have to monitor

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Speaker 2: the works that they're doing. But they have contributed to

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Speaker 2: reducing smoking. And I'm not saying every vaping star is

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Speaker 2: the best in the world, but they have contributed to

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Speaker 2: the position where and now, so we need to work together.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Appreciate your time as always. Casey Cassello, the

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