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Speaker 1: Barrie your political correspondence with us now, Hay Barry.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather. I'm really pleased that Drake's coming. I'll

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Speaker 2: be in the mosh pit right at the.

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Speaker 1: Front doing your primal scream about Trump. He's American, isn't

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Speaker 1: he's American?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Hey, whatb he likes Trump is? What did you make

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Speaker 1: of the money when we're going down?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's Canadian. I'm sorry, he's Canadian. He sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 1: he's carry on with the boat.

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Speaker 2: What I admired was the chief of the Navy, Rear

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Speaker 2: Admiral garn Golding, getting up and telling it like it is,

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Speaker 2: is not trying to guild the lily. And I really

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, he'll get a lot of brownie

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Speaker 2: points for that. Even though a minute's unbelievable how it happened.

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Speaker 2: The thinking just gets worse the more you hear about it.

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Speaker 2: Here's the rare Admiral Golding earlier today.

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Speaker 4: All vessels in our fleet have a similar functionality for

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Speaker 4: an autopilot. So if you are doing direct changes and

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Speaker 4: manually when the ship is an autopilot, it won't adjust.

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Speaker 4: But if you're doing accelerational deceleration. An autopilot, it will

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Speaker 4: take those orders and it's just a matter of making

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Speaker 4: sure that those out in the fleet understand the importance

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Speaker 4: of being aware whether you're an autopilot or not. But

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Speaker 4: on the day, muscle memory from the person in control

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Speaker 4: should have lent over to that panel and checked, well,

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Speaker 4: there was a person it's on who's in control of

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Speaker 4: the ship. I'm not naming that person. I'm saying that

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Speaker 4: the person that was in that position was in control

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Speaker 4: of a ship. There was another person, because of the location,

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Speaker 4: being close to the reef, was supervising that individual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound as though the captain was on

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Speaker 2: the bridge at the time. You'll remember Judith Collins, I

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Speaker 2: know you're going to be talking to her shortly. She

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Speaker 2: was full of praise of the ship's captain, Levon Gray.

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Speaker 2: Today she was a little more conciliatory.

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Speaker 5: We've had this sort of thing happen in this civilian

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Speaker 5: world with fairies, which had one just recently about the

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Speaker 5: same time, with the auto pilots and people not working

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Speaker 5: out what to do. I think what it says is

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Speaker 5: that we are not a country that is going to

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Speaker 5: shy away from the truth human error is the one

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Speaker 5: thing you can't guarantee against, but it's certainly one thing

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Speaker 5: we can all learn from.

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Speaker 2: Did we need reminding about the fairy going ground?

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Speaker 1: He's got a problem with auto part of Hey do so?

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Speaker 1: Is Boja here on Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's having a long lunch here in Auckland on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Essentially he's here to promote his book Unleashed. And I

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Speaker 2: talked to one of his former teachers at Eton and

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Speaker 2: they say, they said to me, he's never changed. He's

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Speaker 2: always been scruffy, always late for meetings, and watching him

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Speaker 2: being interviewed today, it certainly was the case. But the

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Speaker 2: teacher also said he was one of the brightest students

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Speaker 2: that he had ever taught. In an interview before leaving Britain,

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Speaker 2: Borrow spoke warmly about Foreign Minister Udinston Peters and likes

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Speaker 2: the fact that Donald Trump has been returned to the

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Speaker 2: White House.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Winston will have spotted this is the point

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Speaker 3: that it's not what he says, is what he does.

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Speaker 3: When you look at what he actually does from the

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Speaker 3: point of view of liberal internationalism, which I basically happen

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Speaker 3: to believe in. He's very very signed and he was

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Speaker 3: much tougher, you could say, with the Russians over Ukraine

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Speaker 3: than the previous Democrat administration, and so.

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Speaker 2: Putin was in full praise of Trump today. So it'll

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see what sort of dialogue will take

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Speaker 2: place when he takes over the office in January.

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Speaker 1: Listen really quickly, why is it what's brought on this

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Speaker 1: business with Brook van Velden deciding that wealthy workers should

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Speaker 1: be able to be fired with that good reason?

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Speaker 2: Essentially, well, essentially from what I understand, it's because the

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Speaker 2: employment court is being basically flooded at the moment and

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Speaker 2: they're trying to free up that. But the point that

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister made in the stand up that he

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Speaker 2: did in the South Island today was that if somebody

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Speaker 2: on one hundred and eighty thousand, and I'm sure they

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Speaker 2: would have negotiated a contract at that sort of money

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Speaker 2: with their employers so they can put into their contract

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Speaker 2: stuff that has to be abided by. So it's not

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Speaker 2: just a case of somebody one hundred and eighty grand

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Speaker 2: being shown the door without good reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Barry So

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Speaker 1: for senior political correspondent.

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