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Speaker 1: Question the newspeakers and the personalities of the big names.

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Speaker 2: Talk to Mike Costing, Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: With our Veda Live the Age You Feel News, Talk ZEDV.

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Speaker 3: Morning and welcome today the Maori Party, Alliga from Tar

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Speaker 3: Sirius Arbor and whether they'd go the reviews into early

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Speaker 3: childhood and also second annual leave new data on our

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Speaker 3: house prices, Who's winning?

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Speaker 2: Who isn't?

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Speaker 3: Our old mate Nicbrian back after eight His new book

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Speaker 3: is brilliant if you're following the US race, of course,

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Speaker 3: Joe McKennis and Lilie rod Liddle is in the middle

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Speaker 3: of it all. In the UK asking welcome to the day,

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Speaker 3: seven past six. There used to be a debate about

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Speaker 3: power Bell of called how much is too much? As

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Speaker 3: far as the jackpot goes well fifty million this coming weekend.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that seems to have fallen by the wayside, the

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Speaker 3: whole debate. So we got a little bit excited yesterday,

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Speaker 3: didn't we about the forty three million this particular week

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Speaker 3: Mind you, in America it can go over a billion,

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Speaker 3: and even with the weird rules, he can end up

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Speaker 3: with hundreds of millions of dollars. So forty three million

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Speaker 3: or fifty million. Whatever it turns out, the b seems

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Speaker 3: pretty ordinary, really.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 3: One of the bits of advice came yesterday from the

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Speaker 3: usual run of experts the media lineup as they try

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Speaker 3: and hype a fiscal event of this particular nature. One

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Speaker 3: so called expert suggested money doesn't buy happiness, and in

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Speaker 3: that they are completely and utterly wrong. Money, sadly, in

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Speaker 3: this country, has never been valued properly. It's often shunned

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Speaker 3: or derided, or you if you have too much now

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Speaker 3: seen as rich or loaded. In fact, you may be

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Speaker 3: seen as rich or loaded, even if you are neither

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Speaker 3: just moderately comfortable. It is almost good to be average,

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Speaker 3: if not poor or struggling. It's the egalitarian thing. I guess.

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Speaker 3: It's why my parents and grandparents' generation never really flaunted

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Speaker 3: their wealth. That's changed, of course, in a consumer society

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Speaker 3: has emerged with various bits of tackiness associated with it.

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Speaker 3: But at its core, what money does is solve problems

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Speaker 3: and offer choice, and that is not to be dismissed.

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Speaker 3: It is also good to have experienced periods without money,

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Speaker 3: because if you're lucky and get a bit settled financially,

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Speaker 3: you realize the contrast, I look at our kids setting

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Speaker 3: out in life at the moment. They're working hard, they're

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Speaker 3: scraping by, they're piecing together money with ideas of a

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Speaker 3: house deposit. Some argue student debt will kill that particular dream.

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Speaker 3: One in London is discovering how putting together a series

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Speaker 3: of pay packets and one of the world's most expensive

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Speaker 3: cities is just sheer hard graft. In our quiet moments,

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Speaker 3: I think we all know it. Don't we money or

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Speaker 3: no money, which would you prefer? Many of us don't

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Speaker 3: long for riches per se, but having to not worry

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Speaker 3: about the bills has a real tangible value. Knowing you

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Speaker 3: can write a check for whatever makes life materially easier.

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Speaker 3: There is, of course, the debate around the lotto fever itself,

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Speaker 3: the desire to get all that money by doing basically nothing,

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Speaker 3: which is the other money lessing. If you have worked

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Speaker 3: hard for it, it's extremely rewarding. So it doesn't by happiness. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: it does, and quite a bit of it.

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Speaker 2: News of the world. In ninety second eighty.

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Speaker 3: Years ago history was made, and today in Portsmouth they remembered.

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Speaker 4: Let us once again commit ourselves always to remember Cherish

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Speaker 4: an honor those who served that day and to live

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Speaker 4: up to the freedom they died for.

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Speaker 3: Boween, it's finally got the styliner off the ground.

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Speaker 1: It rolled just as it should do, Its thrust as separated,

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Speaker 1: just as they should do.

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Speaker 5: And everything's to seem to have been going by the textbook.

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Speaker 3: And they'll be going as far as the war goes

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Speaker 3: these Riley is now busy with his balar on the

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Speaker 3: Libanese border.

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Speaker 6: Whoever thinks that they can harm us and we will

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Speaker 6: sit idly by is making a big mistake. We are

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Speaker 6: prepared for a very strong action in the north. In

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Speaker 6: one way or another, we will restore security to the North.

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Speaker 3: And then we get to yesterdayze the bite in the

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Speaker 3: UK as Rushi and Sakia trade to blows an insult.

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Speaker 7: Do you want to put everyone's time by two thousand pounds?

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Speaker 7: And if this is really important, independent treasury officials have

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Speaker 7: costed Labour's policies and they amount to a two thousand

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Speaker 3: Okay forever. In the cold, hard light of the next morning,

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Speaker 3: Kia was conciliatory.

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Speaker 7: He lied and he knew he was lying. I don't

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Speaker 7: say that lightly. That's not something I bandish around he

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Speaker 7: lied about our plans, he lied about the boats, and

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Speaker 3: As regards Labour moving back towards Europe too. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Fancois Elon, who ran a bit of Europe for a while,

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Speaker 3: seems on board.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a good statement, good position for Labor

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Speaker 8: to commit the country to negotiate, to have a good

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Speaker 8: audition with Europe instead to propose a new refront.

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Speaker 3: And those news of the world in ninety seconds. By

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Speaker 3: the way, the European central banks they're good to go

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Speaker 3: this week. So that's the cuts. Is that the first cut?

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Speaker 3: Not really, because the Bank of Canada has trimmed this

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Speaker 3: week kit's key policy rate by twenty five bases points.

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Speaker 3: They're down to four point seventy five. And the whole conversation,

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Speaker 3: and this is the same with the ECB, is not

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Speaker 3: whether they're going to cut, because ECB it's like almost

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Speaker 3: a done deal. The questions wins next, and in Canada

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Speaker 3: they think what is next is July, so they cut now,

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Speaker 3: and they cut in July as well. Twelve past six

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Speaker 3: costing breakfast. I won't go into it now, but there's

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Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of ANNGS coming out of the UN

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Speaker 3: this morning over climate change. I'll give you a few

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Speaker 3: number shortly fourteen pass now from Jmi Well Pendrick kellerher

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Speaker 3: good Thursday morning, Yeah, very good morning. My terms of trade,

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Speaker 3: are we treading water or not?

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Speaker 9: No, it's getting better. So there was a couple of

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Speaker 9: releases of data yesterday. They're not market movers, but they

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Speaker 9: are important nonetheless.

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Speaker 10: So we had the release of the trade balance again.

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Speaker 9: Look it's data data. It is for the March quarter.

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Speaker 9: That's the best we got. So we've got to deal

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Speaker 9: with what we have. The trade balance for that quarter

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Speaker 9: is a one point four billion dollar deficit. Now that

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Speaker 9: one point four billion dollar defice has narrowed from the

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Speaker 9: it is good. Twelve months ago it was a two

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Speaker 9: point six billion dollar desert.

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Speaker 10: They were sitting now at a very high level.

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Speaker 9: There's sort of two moving parts to the deficit. You've

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Speaker 9: smaller trade deficit is due to lower import volume. So

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Speaker 9: That improves that balance, assuming we get the same price

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Speaker 9: travel export. Now, goods imports fell fourteen percent in the

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Speaker 10: Nine percent fall in price.

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Speaker 9: You get petrol in their MIC, and that you get

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Speaker 9: all that fuel that's quite volatile. The takeaway MIC from

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Speaker 9: this slow economy less demand for imported stuff.

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Speaker 10: That's the key takeaway.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then we come to what else we got there?

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Speaker 3: The tax A good old government a little bit better

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not sure we quite yet how to interpret

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Speaker 9: this chicken before it hatches. So that the luis yesterday

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Speaker 9: We're still digesting BETWEENY twenty four budget. The surprise here

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Speaker 9: So core Crown tax revenue was one point seven billion

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Speaker 9: accompanying commentary is that that above forecast outcome is expected

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Speaker 9: the end of the year, but it's there. The majority

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Speaker 9: it's not something that will feature in subsequent years.

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Speaker 10: So corporate tax revenue is above forecast.

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Speaker 9: Which in a slow economy seems a little incongruous, but

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Speaker 10: Those are the investment funds.

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Speaker 9: They've done well, so you're getting more tax coming from them.

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Speaker 9: Resident withholding tax on dividends that was higher than expected,

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Speaker 9: better than expected. Emissions trading scheme revenues, well, they're lower

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Speaker 9: Still, a death is a six point five billion, but

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Speaker 9: one point seven billion better than expected.

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Speaker 10: So what does it mean.

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Speaker 9: Well, it looks like twenty twenty four when we wind

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Speaker 9: the year up, could be a bit better than they.

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Speaker 10: Thought it was going to be good.

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Speaker 3: And we'll take that. And I note Australia still in

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Speaker 3: the black.

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Speaker 9: Just yeah, and they're the lucky country. Not so lucky

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Speaker 9: for New South Wales supporters last night obviously. Hey Mike,

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Speaker 9: I'm going to the next game by the way to Melbourne.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to be there.

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Speaker 3: I am good on you.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I know, hopefully Queensland win. Growth. So let's talk

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Speaker 10: about growth.

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Speaker 9: Let's talk about Reguay League GDP growth in Australia for

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Speaker 9: the first quarter zero point one quarter on quarter, So

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Speaker 9: you've got a continued slow down in the Australian economy.

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Speaker 9: Annual growth one point one percent, pretty skinny, but not

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Speaker 9: in recession. December, qrder has rised up to one point

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Speaker 9: Australian economy. This is the slowest rate of growth of

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Speaker 10: The early nineteen to nineties, so in thirty years. So

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Speaker 10: you know, I reckon if we could.

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Speaker 9: Pump out one point one perzent growth, we'd probably be

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Speaker 9: quite happy, wouldn't we, you know? And actually so just

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Speaker 9: the final comment that I'll make is that the media

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Speaker 9: reports I thought were fascinating. We'd be cheering one point

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Speaker 9: one percent growth and you had all this doom and

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Speaker 9: gloomy headlines, you know, media. So GDP growth slumps, but

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Speaker 9: I'd say a will take it one of the numbers

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Speaker 9: that was all lot of positive news. Actually here that

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Speaker 9: dal Jones is up seventy six points zero point two

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Speaker 2: The Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Mike to my mauls blinging on steroids. Incredibly over the top,

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Speaker 3: very expensive, but definitely worth a visit. Thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 3: Depp was recently asked as money by your happiness. He replied, no,

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Speaker 3: that's quite clever, Mike. Despite being very comfortable now at

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Speaker 1: with the range Rover, sport setting the benchmark and sporting

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Speaker 3: Mike my cousin said to me, money and by your happiness.

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Speaker 3: We've got new intel into where our housing market is

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Speaker 3: this morning. Core Logic home value growth dipped by zero

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Speaker 3: Good stuff Kelvin appreciated very much. Kelvin Davidson called Loge.

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Speaker 3: for you, where does all the bad air in your

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Speaker 3: home go? Well, if you don't have an EBS continuous

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Speaker 3: ventilation system, the answers nowhere. So that damp, stale air

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Speaker 3: just sort of lingers, and that's what causes mold and

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Speaker 3: milled you and crying windows. And that's not good. What

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Speaker 3: is good is that DBS continuous ventilation keeps you home

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Speaker 3: that fresh air in and pushing that stale air out.

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Speaker 3: So think about that filtered fresh air in, that stale

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Speaker 3: air out. Seems very simple. It is simple, of course,

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Speaker 3: and it works for everyone, including ASPMIR, analogy sufferer So

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Speaker 3: that's even better than use the steady, gentle, quiet circulation

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Speaker 3: of fresh air creates and maintained a dryer, healthy atmosphere,

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Speaker 3: improving air quality in your home, which of course prevents

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Speaker 3: the mold and the mildew and the other nasties becoming

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Speaker 3: a problem. So say yes to the people who know

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Speaker 3: ventilation best. That's DBS. Thousands of homeowners like you already

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Speaker 3: experiencing the DBS different, so you should too. And if

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Speaker 3: you're planning to build a new home, that's the place

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Speaker 3: to the time to put it in. DBS perfect solution

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Speaker 3: cry and a Lamborghini than on a bicycle.

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Speaker 17: Six forty five International correspondent squid ends an eye insurance

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Speaker 17: peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: McKinnon's that ly very good morning to you.

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Speaker 18: Good money Mike.

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Speaker 3: How much noise does the EU vote get in general?

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Speaker 18: Oh, it's getting a lot of noise in Italy at

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Speaker 18: the moment. And as we've talked about before, the Italian

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Speaker 18: Prime Minister Georgia Maloney is very much seen as a

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Speaker 18: front runner who's going to reshape Europe, who's attracting coalitions

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Speaker 18: across different countries. So I think this week's going to

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Speaker 18: be quite an interesting week for Georgia Maloney.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and you get a good turnout, people are interested,

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Speaker 3: and we're looking, of course for a fairly significant shift

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Speaker 3: to the right.

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Speaker 18: Yes, if they do get a good turnout, it's likely

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Speaker 18: to come from young people. They're looking to young people

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Speaker 18: to really make the difference, and there are indications that

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Speaker 18: the younger ones are shifting to the right, so that

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Speaker 18: could work in the favor of candidates like the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 18: Georgia Maloney.

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Speaker 3: Would be very interesting too, because that's good for democracy.

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Speaker 3: The more people that part take Ingria, which I know not.

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Speaker 3: Do you know of Ingria? What can you tell me

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Speaker 3: about Ingria.

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Speaker 18: I've never heard of this place before. It's a tiny

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Speaker 18: village until this week. It's a tiny village in the

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Speaker 18: mountains outside Turin, one of the smallest initially only forty

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Speaker 18: six count them inhabitants. But it has thirty candidates running

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Speaker 18: for local election this year this week, and a couple

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Speaker 18: of the candidates are running against each other. They are

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Speaker 18: mother and son in opposition to each other.

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Speaker 3: So forty six people thirty candidates to run in Grea.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, how does that work exactly? I'm not sure what

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Speaker 18: final count is, but it's a small town that really

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Speaker 18: doesn't sound like it's got a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: Actually, no, exactly. Amanda Knox, I was reading about that

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Speaker 3: case yesterday. It seemed globally yesterday to make some fairly

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Speaker 3: significant headlines. Still after all of these years, and I

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Speaker 3: think she said when she went and wished me luck,

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Speaker 3: which it didn't seem to go well for a but

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Speaker 3: is it a big deal in Italy still?

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Speaker 18: I think it is. Amanda Knox of course, was found

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Speaker 18: guilty and then acquitted of the murder of the British

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Speaker 18: student Meredith Kirscher, who was killed in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 18: but at the time she was also convicted for slandering

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Speaker 18: a barman who she wrongly accused of being involved in

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Speaker 18: the murder. And today the courts reconvicted her for that

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Speaker 18: slander and she was wiping away tears in court.

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Speaker 3: She was very upset.

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Speaker 18: But his name is Patrick Lamumba. He's a Congolese bar

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Speaker 18: owner and he was very pleased with that result.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, Hey loosen. I was reading the other

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Speaker 3: day a piece about lake Como and the place is

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Speaker 3: going to get in undated. And you've got a summer

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Speaker 3: coming up where you've never seen more tourists than people

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Speaker 3: in various parts of Italy, depending on where you are,

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Speaker 3: second tired a tourists. And we've discussed this before, places

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Speaker 3: like Venice. They were saying lake Como, Yeah, they can't

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Speaker 3: cope with the traffic. You can't get an Uber. I

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Speaker 3: didn't realize you didn't have ubers in Italy.

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Speaker 18: You can get ubers some in the big cities. You

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Speaker 18: do find Uber in Rome. The taxi drivers pushed back

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Speaker 18: on the expansion of Uber in Italy.

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Speaker 10: The cars that you.

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Speaker 18: Find in Rome are generally the black cars only, so

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Speaker 18: they tend to be quite expensive.

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Speaker 3: Exactly what so, what would happen is you're calling an

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Speaker 3: uber and the car that turns up tends to be

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Speaker 3: an S class Mercedes and they're charging you five hundred

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Speaker 3: dollars to take your killometer down the road and the

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Speaker 3: whole thing's a scam. But havn't you been to lake

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Speaker 3: Como When you can't move and you can't get a

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Speaker 3: booking at the local restaurant and the lakers filled with

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Speaker 3: tourists on boats and stuff. Is it still worth going to.

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Speaker 18: I think it's still stunning. Other people I know have

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Speaker 18: been going to Lake Garda. They say that's just as beautiful.

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Speaker 18: I haven't heard too much about Garda. I haven't been

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Speaker 18: to Garda myself, but I think Como is still breathtaking

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Speaker 18: and I would have it on my list of places

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Speaker 18: to see in Italy.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, all right, Joe, nice to catch up with you.

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Speaker 3: Go well Sea next Thursday, Joe mckinner out of Italy

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Speaker 3: and we'll go to Britain with Rod. There's that poll

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Speaker 3: after last night's debate. This is Sonic Reef Starmer. There's

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Speaker 3: only a couple of the debates, although I noted Sky

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Speaker 3: were promoting some sort of event that was coming up,

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Speaker 3: and there is a debate between the I suppose you'd

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Speaker 3: roughly call them deputies, but I'll tell you about that later.

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Speaker 3: So snap pole. Out of last night's debate fifty one

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Speaker 3: forty nine. Rishi won it. They saw him as trustworthy,

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Speaker 3: but Starma is relatable, so read him to that what

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Speaker 3: you will ten to seven.

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Speaker 1: Call the Mike Costing Breakfast with Bailey's Estates and News

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Speaker 1: Talk MB.

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Speaker 3: Mike, what's happening with the six year inquiry into the

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Speaker 3: green mp Tana. It's such a shabby business these days,

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Speaker 3: isn't it, Mike lake Garda was stunning, way better than Como.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Lant.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 3: Karma is amazing. However, when we went, the buses were

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Speaker 3: all late and there was no way of getting ready. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what I was reading the other day. It's just

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Speaker 3: in the middle of summer, it just becomes a shambles. Maraca,

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Speaker 3: who is not one of the bigger players in the

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Speaker 3: milk industry in this particular country, but nevertheless doing a

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Speaker 3: very good job. They're Taupo based. They've entered the old

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Speaker 3: guess what we're going to pay for the new season market,

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Speaker 3: and they've come in at eight forty two, which is

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Speaker 3: good base price of eight twenty five. What they do

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Speaker 3: that's different is the farmers can earn additional money with

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Speaker 3: their Farming Excellence program, so higher standards of sustainability, people development,

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Speaker 3: animal welfare, milk quality, all of that. So you can

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Speaker 3: earn another twenty cents on top of that, which takes

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Speaker 3: you to the eight forty two. So anyway. By the way,

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Speaker 3: they've got their annual supplies dinner next week June thirteenth,

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Speaker 3: Guest speaker Shane Cameron. We're sho owned a couple of

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Speaker 3: cows now would have got the invite. By the way,

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Speaker 3: job openings in America slowed down. This whole cut thing's

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Speaker 3: getting really interesting. I told you about Canada. They've cut,

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Speaker 3: and EC is going to do it. Central Bank in

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Speaker 3: Europe is going to do it this week. The feed

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Speaker 3: is sitting there going, oh jeez, hold on, but we

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Speaker 3: got the good news. The job openings fell in April,

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Speaker 3: lowest level and over three years there's eight a little

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Speaker 3: over eight million jobs open at this very point in America,

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Speaker 3: which is so slowing down. So that's good. That's good

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Speaker 3: for the cutting business. Send New Zealand not in the

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Speaker 3: cutting business as yet, but Adrian thinks maybe next year,

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Speaker 3: maybe next year, well maybe next year the Tiner report

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Speaker 3: will be out and maybe next year Adrian will cut

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Speaker 3: some interest rates. Who knows something to something to look

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Speaker 3: forward to five to seven.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all the ins and the outs, it's the fizz

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Speaker 1: on the Mike Husking breakfast on News talk Z.

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Speaker 3: Bright bosses of companies. This is the S and P

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Speaker 3: five hundred, speaking of America, the gap between them and employees.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they do this, but they do anyway.

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Speaker 3: Equala is a company they found the average S and

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Speaker 3: P five hundred CEO pays one hundred and ninety six

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Speaker 3: times larger than the average worker, which is up from

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five times. So it's due to

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Speaker 3: the nature of the stock market, because of course most

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Speaker 3: people are in the CEO positions are linked to the

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Speaker 3: stock market. So from twenty twenty to the average total

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Speaker 3: compensation for a boss increased by zero point nine percent,

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Speaker 3: but last year that average compensation package jumped twelve point

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Speaker 3: six because the market had a very good year to payout.

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Speaker 3: The average payout was a bit over twenty six million

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Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars, which is not to say workers didn't

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Speaker 3: make more money too, because they did. Their pay was

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Speaker 3: up five point two percent year on year, with the

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Speaker 3: average SMP employee earning one hundred and thirty one thousand

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Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars, which is not a bad income. But

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Speaker 3: if you compare the average worker, their pay went up

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Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars, while the average CEO went up two

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Speaker 3: point three million. So there's a bit of a gap there.

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Speaker 3: You see the gap, the gap between seven thousand and

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Speaker 3: two point three millions, Just that little gap.

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Speaker 18: Theck?

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Speaker 3: Can you see that? Can you see that gap? Do

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Speaker 3: you want a microscope? Highest earning CEO was Hop Tan

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Speaker 3: He's with Broadcom. He made two hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 3: million last year, which was five hundred and ten times

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Speaker 3: the median salary of his employees. The next closest was

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Speaker 3: the FICO boss, William Lansing. He made one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seven mili. Tim Cook of Apple I didn't realize this.

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Speaker 3: He made one hundred and two but higher salary compared

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Speaker 3: to employees because Apple, apparently notorious, were not paying as

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Speaker 3: well as other major brands. I didn't realize that. So

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Speaker 3: he made six hundred and seventy two times more than

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Speaker 3: his employees.

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Speaker 12: But but what is he happy?

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Speaker 3: Such a good question, you reckon. He probably gets a

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Speaker 3: free watch as well. Would that be fair? Would he

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Speaker 3: get it? Would he get a what and a car park?

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Speaker 3: What about the phone? Would he get the iPad in

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Speaker 3: the phone and the watch? Or would that be seen

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Speaker 3: as product abuse? He gays? Can I have you one

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Speaker 3: of those? Come on? M You've already got the phone

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Speaker 3: and the watch, mate, and you're earning six hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy two times your average employee. Why would you work

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Speaker 3: for Apple feeling aggreed knowing what Tim earns what you

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Speaker 3: can earn it another tech company and still set the gun.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's cool to be at Apple, isn't it. I

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Speaker 3: hang on, I need to buy another watch because it

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Speaker 3: just broke news for you. Then we'll have a look

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Speaker 3: into this business of the Maori Party.

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Speaker 1: Big news, bold opinions with the Mike Hosking, breakfast with

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Speaker 1: Bailey's real estate altogether better across residential, commercial, and rural.

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Speaker 3: On News Talks be only seven past seven, so more

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Speaker 3: allegations against the Maori Party over the misuse of private

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Speaker 3: information to influence their election campaign. As it stands, the

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Speaker 3: accusation as they misused both census and COVID vaccine data

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Speaker 3: to target voters. The party denied all stats. In Z's

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Speaker 3: investigating the officer of the Privacy Commissioners involved, they passed

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Speaker 3: a complaint onto police. The labor parties talked to the police.

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Speaker 3: Ellen Holtz is an employment advocate representing six former Maria

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Speaker 3: staff and one MSD worker who laid these complaints and

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Speaker 3: he's with us Helen morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Good morning, right.

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Speaker 3: So your role in this is what just for clarifications

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Speaker 3: saying you're representing these people.

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Speaker 16: I'm representing them and helping them potentially declare their names

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Speaker 16: because at the times these events were taken place last year,

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Speaker 16: they were raising their concerns with their employers, and the

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Speaker 16: employers being the Marai and also with MSD now in

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Speaker 16: the and what happened to them. A number of the

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Speaker 16: six Marai workers were falsely accused by the chief executive

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Speaker 16: of things that hadn't been done, and basically they whose

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Speaker 16: people left and the number of their team left with

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Speaker 16: them because they were implicated in these false allegations. And

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Speaker 16: the mast worker who was a coacation officer based at

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Speaker 16: the Marai, she was taken off the site BYMSD because

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Speaker 16: of the complaint from the chief executive. So the people

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Speaker 16: that were raising concerns were targeted and suffered retaliation. So

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Speaker 16: my role is to try and help them pressly clear

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Speaker 16: the names and then secondly address the unjustified disadvantagement experience.

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Speaker 3: All right, just also for clarification's sake, the allegations from

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Speaker 3: the Mariah towards your clients, if you want to call

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Speaker 3: them that. Are they suggesting that the so called wrongs

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about, the information, the distribution, the collection

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Speaker 3: of information, are they accusing them of that or something different?

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Speaker 16: Something They basically have accused our clients of what they

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Speaker 16: were actually doing themselves. So it was to spare their

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Speaker 16: name to discredit them. And the same things happening currently

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Speaker 16: with the head of wiper Era Trust and the Murray

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Speaker 16: Party basically saying these allegations are baseless when they're not.

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Speaker 16: And I've seen them, and we work kind of evidence,

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Speaker 16: so everything is evidence based and there is sufficient evidence. Well,

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Speaker 16: my role now is to help structure an investigation that

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Speaker 16: is going to look at all the issues involved. And

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Speaker 16: believe me, Mike, this case has more tentacles inter octopus.

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Speaker 3: I'm ranging into it. I already got to that part.

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Speaker 3: So we've got two things. We got the census, got

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Speaker 3: the COVID information. How much of it's a legality issue

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Speaker 3: as opposed to a if you want to use the

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Speaker 3: word misappropriation issue, In other words, you shouldn't have done it,

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Speaker 3: but you're not going to end up in jail for it.

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Speaker 16: Okay, So you're right, there's two aspects. So there's a

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Speaker 16: the criminal and police will look at the criminal, which

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Speaker 16: is and some of I would look at as breaches

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Speaker 16: of the Public Records Act two thousand and five in

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Speaker 16: the Privacy Act twenty twenty. And then is also the

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Speaker 16: treating which is a breach of two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 16: in of the Electoral at ninety ninety three. So police

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Speaker 16: will be looking at that. But the other investigation needs

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Speaker 16: to look into the unethical conduct was took place. And

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Speaker 16: I see the villains here as the public service so NSD.

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Speaker 16: I can tell you that our whistleblower the work and

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Speaker 16: so wards through MISD. She's used to Protective Disclosure Act.

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Speaker 16: She declared her concerns at every single stage. She would

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Speaker 16: ponne up her manager and say this is happening at DEMI,

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Speaker 16: this is happening at to Bright. She did that continuously

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Speaker 16: until a complaint went from the MARII TOMSC and she

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Speaker 16: was removed from the site with no explanation, no investigation

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Speaker 16: and has basically been vilified. And because she can't trust them,

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Speaker 16: she hasn't returned to work. Our client and I have

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Speaker 16: tried to meet with the chief executive of MSD they

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Speaker 16: won't meet. The other six clients that I have tried

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Speaker 16: to meet with the Mariah they won't meet. So it's

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Speaker 16: not a soul. There are people that are hiding. They

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Speaker 16: are willing to basically stand up to what they've done,

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Speaker 16: But my real fear is victimization, and my role now

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Speaker 16: is to protect them.

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Speaker 3: Hand on heart. You have seen evidence that, without a

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Speaker 3: shadow of a doubt, is in breach of something, whether

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Speaker 3: it be the law or the rules.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, hand on I can say that, and I speak

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Speaker 16: to somebody that has twice been a district census supervisor

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Speaker 16: and five times the returning office of the general elections.

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Speaker 16: So I understand how they meant to be done and

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Speaker 16: they I did this back in the nineteen eighties and

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Speaker 16: nineteen nineties, but the basic principle remains the same now.

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Speaker 16: Morel concernos like MISD they funded activities. They basically funded

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Speaker 16: the election campaign run by the former chief executive of

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Speaker 16: the MARII So Marii's staff and it was over fifty

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Speaker 16: of them basically campaigned for the chief executive the entire

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Speaker 16: time she ran for elections. So once she decided, they

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Speaker 16: were working on her campaign case. So MISD funded that

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Speaker 16: and a lot of the money intended for people that

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Speaker 16: are on benefits never got there because it was being

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Speaker 16: used in this way. So that's the first thing. So

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Speaker 16: I CUMSD is needing to be investigated. Then comes that's

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Speaker 16: New Zealand and they were advised early on of issues

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Speaker 16: there and despite what they say, didn't investigate. And the

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Speaker 16: same with the Electoral Commission. The first day voting took

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Speaker 16: place at Manoru and Maria, your complaints a went to

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Speaker 16: the Electoral Commission. Now what we're not happy with is

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Speaker 16: these investigations taking place in Solos, so there needs to

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Speaker 16: be a police investigation. So really happy with how that's

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Speaker 16: working out and by client and I are hoping to

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Speaker 16: meet and drop off more evidence today and then that's

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Speaker 16: an opened And the other thing that needs to happen

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Speaker 16: that there has to be an investigation into the role

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Speaker 16: of the public cea service, so that includes MSD, that's

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Speaker 16: New Zealand and the Electoral Commission. And that's our belief

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Speaker 16: that investigation needs to be conducted by somebody that doesn't

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Speaker 16: owe any allegiance to the public service and already stats

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Speaker 16: New Zealand have done. What public services do. An I

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Speaker 16: deal with cases of public service, so I'd probably have

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Speaker 16: twenty cases right now or in cases. But the first

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Speaker 16: thing they do is a point a pay investigator and

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Speaker 16: they've set terms of reference and a scope that doesn't

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Speaker 16: allow the majority of the evidence to be heard. So

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Speaker 16: if the stats New Zealand haven't contacted me or any

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Speaker 16: of my clients, I could tell them the scope, I

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Speaker 16: could tell them the extent of what's going on. So

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Speaker 16: at some point they're going to come out with something

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Speaker 16: will maybe look at quarter of what happened. So that's

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Speaker 16: my rollers. Can we set up a process because they're

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Speaker 16: all allegations and they need to be investigated and nobody's

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Speaker 16: skilled to be of anything and totally investigation has concluded.

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Speaker 3: Well explained Ellen, Listen, we'll stay in touch. Appreciated very much,

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Speaker 3: Ellen Hults. I think we've got a good background as

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Speaker 3: to what we're dealing with there and an element of

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Speaker 3: how much complexity there is. There's got a long way

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Speaker 3: to go, clearly sixteen past seven, the Hostlers new storms

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Speaker 3: eving eighteen past seven, so change coming to the early

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Speaker 3: childhood sector. We've got a review and announced the idea.

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Speaker 3: It simplifies the way it works that a look into education,

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Speaker 3: health safety, child protection, food safety, buildings, workplaces, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Early Childhood Council Boss Simon Lover is with us Simon Brery,

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Speaker 3: good morning to you, Good morning mine, welcome and overdue

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Speaker 3: or not oh very much?

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Speaker 19: Long over, Joe couldn't get started soon enough.

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Speaker 3: The examples that David Seymour gave is yesterday about all

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Speaker 3: the stuff you have to go through paperwork wise, are

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Speaker 3: they real?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. The system we've got it's just not

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Speaker 19: for purpose. It's so complex and some of those regulations

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Speaker 19: they're conflicting with each other, they get applied inconsistently, and

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Speaker 19: the real icing on the cake is one minor infraction

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Speaker 19: and it could mean the entire loss of your license,

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Speaker 19: and that could happen in twenty four hours, and that

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Speaker 19: that's a killer blow. It can knock the service out

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Speaker 19: and there's nothing they can do to recover. But I've

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Speaker 19: got a string of really good examples. I think the

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Speaker 19: mist that's a good way for people to relate to things.

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Speaker 19: But I think the best example is really around teachers.

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Speaker 19: So if you think about Minister Seymour talks about that

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Speaker 19: person in charge, the person responsible, we need one of

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Speaker 19: those for every fifty children, and that regulation recently got

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Speaker 19: strengthened in Februar to make it even harder. And they've

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Speaker 19: got to be teachers. With that regulation, we can have

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Speaker 19: a teacher who has trained an EEE or it could

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Speaker 19: be a primary school teacher. However, we've also got another

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Speaker 19: regulation for required staff and in that second regulation we've

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Speaker 19: got to meet her at fifty percent. The primary school

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Speaker 19: teachers don't count as teachers at all. They're nothing, they're

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Speaker 19: unqualified teachers, so they don't count. It's not and then

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Speaker 19: we have another rule around funding around teachers as well,

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Speaker 19: and for that one we can count teachers who are

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Speaker 19: in training. It is incredibly unworkable. You know, how do

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Speaker 19: you make all these systems that don't work together work

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Speaker 19: at a center level.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's hope that they tidy, get up, clean it up,

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Speaker 3: and you can, as David Simol said yesterday, move faster

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Speaker 3: and do more. Simon Love, who's the Early Childhood Counsel

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Speaker 3: CEO Local Body Politics, they've also had a look at

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Speaker 3: this this week at Select Committee. I give you some

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Speaker 3: four our local body politics. Having a bit of a

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Speaker 3: weeken the sun, they formed a group, as we told

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Speaker 3: you tuesday, to look at the ways of pumping up

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Speaker 3: voting turnout in the possibility of a four year term.

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Speaker 3: The government's change rules around Murray Wards has also seen

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Speaker 3: the local authorities front up this week have the Assayates

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Speaker 3: Select Committee and on that specifically. They're bogged down and

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Speaker 3: they don't even seem to know it. They're bogged down

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Speaker 3: by something that never had to be as problematic as

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Speaker 3: it's turned out to be. So the old rule was

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Speaker 3: of councils decided to introduce in your area Murray seat

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Speaker 3: or Murray Wards. The locals who hadn't been consulted got

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Speaker 3: to run a vote. If you went out and got

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Speaker 3: five percent of the rate payers backing you, you had

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Speaker 3: a vote. And when they did hold a vote, it

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Speaker 3: was a landslide each and every time. Telling the councils

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Speaker 3: that Murray wards were not wanted labor without consultation changed

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Speaker 3: that rule. You weren't allowed to vote anymore. Councils could

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Speaker 3: do whatever they wanted, no checks, no balances. Now this

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Speaker 3: government wants to flip that law now. Mistake number one

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Speaker 3: from the councils, as I argue this week, its central

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Speaker 3: government overreach is what they say while they forget that.

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Speaker 3: They're the same councils who cry poor to governments over

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Speaker 3: everything infrastructure to storm damage to GST collection. You can't

866
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Speaker 3: have it both ways. Central for money and local for

867
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: power doesn't work. Mistake too. The answer has been in

868
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: front of them all along. It's called democracy. Originally, before

869
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: they started jurymandering the system, anyone could stand. Still can.

870
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: In fact, if you noticed that anyone can stand, and

871
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 3: if they got enough votes, guess what they were elected

872
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: Because not many maris stood. Some bright spark argued race

873
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: based policy was an answer. Stack the rules, marry get

874
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: a different deal, and it's been downhill ever since. When

875
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: the rule is that anyone can stand, there are no barriers,

876
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: you have no problems, the freedom to stand, the freedom

877
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 3: to debate, the freedom to contest the vote. It's a good, clean,

878
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 3: clear system, and most importantly, a level playing field. It's fair.

879
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: When you mess with it, you strike trouble. And here

880
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: we are, years later, trying to untie the mess that

881
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: race based bias creates. Keep it simple, Listen to the people,

882
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: value democracy and you might just find more people actually

883
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: turn up to vote.

884
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: Ask it.

885
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: This is typical, Mike, what an insight that guy needs

886
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: a medal at this election issue is not fully investigated transparently,

887
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: then this has the potential to end up as New

888
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: Zealand version of the UK Post office scandal. Murray, I

889
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: think you're over selling that ever so slightly. And we

890
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: are in a quagmire of things that are broadly acceptable,

891
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: and you can blame the last Labor government for some

892
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: of the giveaways, the vouchers, the freebees. Once you go

893
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: down that track, and once you mix it in with

894
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: a census versus a covid JAB, you've got muddy muddy waters,

895
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 3: haven't you. So what is it you're offering the incentives for.

896
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: Is it the census? Is it the covid JAB? What

897
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: happens to the information? But then you get to the

898
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: very real allegation that Labor seems to have made to

899
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: the police, which of you then take the information? Mary

900
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: Party DENI all this. But if you take the information

901
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: and then push it out via a political message and

902
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: you don't link it to your party, you are indeed

903
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: breaking the law. And that's where the police come in.

904
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: So this story got a long way to go, demanding.

905
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: The answers from the decision makers.

906
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Avida Live The Age You

907
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Feel News talks ed been very much.

908
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: Look a lot of the cash Out with Nick Briant

909
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: after light o'clock our the Forever War, America's unending conflict

910
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: with itself. Haven't read it electronically because it's so new.

911
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: I don't even put the print copy in the country.

912
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: It's out today. It's a brilliant reader as always, So

913
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: Nick glint our old matis back with us after eight

914
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: o'clock mean time. Back to the reform that was announced yesterday.

915
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: We've done the early childhood. Now let's get onto the

916
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: work rules. Our Holidays Act is getting a once over.

917
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: A couple of big changes coming pro rate sickly even

918
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: switching from an entitlement system to an accrual system and

919
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: annual leave draft bill is going to be up for

920
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: consultation in September. Ellen McDonald of the Employer's Manufacturer's Association

921
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: with us along with Jared Hare, who is with the

922
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: Labor Workers' Union. Gentlemen, very good morning to you. Good

923
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: morning Ellen, overdue and can it be tidied up and

924
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: tidied up.

925
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 13: Well, well, we live and hope, Mike. It's been successive

926
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 13: governments that have promised to have a crack at this,

927
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 13: and successive governments haven't got there. So we're really looking

928
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 13: forward to making it a much simpler system, easier for employers.

929
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 13: Means also that employees get paid, which is very important

930
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 13: because a lot of them are still waiting on back pay.

931
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 13: And let's crack on with it.

932
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: Is sick or annual the problem or both.

933
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 13: It's both and from our point of view anyways, So

934
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 13: first of all, with the holiday pay, the existing Act

935
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 13: is hugely complex. There are some massive provisions for back pay,

936
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 13: particularly in government departments, but also amongst employers. I think

937
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 13: you're looking at two point two billion for the health sector,

938
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 13: one point two etcetera for education and so on and

939
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 13: so on.

940
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay, can it be tidied up in your view? Because

941
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: having had crag, no one's got there. Why is there

942
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: some miracle required or with just a bit of attitude.

943
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 13: Well, there's a bit of a holy grail in this

944
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 13: and that's the single calculation to do holiday pay, and

945
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 13: that's why we favor the CRUL system. So if you're

946
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 13: work X, you get why. It's simple straightforward. Employees know

947
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 13: what they're getting, they get it from day one instead

948
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 13: of having to wait twelve months, and employers can simply

949
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 13: do the calculation and get it right now.

950
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: Jared, where are you at in terms of is it

951
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: a mess and doesn't need changing? And if it does

952
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: need changing, what would you do?

953
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 20: Well, there does need to be some tweeting, but let's

954
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 20: be clear. The sickly changes are simply a reduction in

955
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 20: entitlement and they're going to affect I mean, it's just

956
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 20: going to be transferred from workers to employers and that's

957
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 20: going to affect you know a lot of people forty

958
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 20: percent over forty percent of workers actually work part time.

959
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 20: If you take part time as less than forty hours,

960
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 20: we don't know what the calculation. That's the problem. That's

961
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 20: why it is complex sometimes because people don't work nine

962
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 20: to five forty hours.

963
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 15: A week anymore.

964
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 20: Overall, peature's working lines are complicated. That's why the rules

965
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 20: have to be complicated. Women will be absolutely affected. Fifty

966
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 20: eight percent of woman work less than forty hours, so

967
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 20: you know this is going to have a huge impact

968
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 20: and on the sickly sixty percent of the workers who

969
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 20: work part time work in four areas retail, hospitality, education,

970
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 20: and healthcare. Now, those are the four areas where you

971
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 20: get more likely to catch something and get out of work.

972
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 20: Gets so there's a good reason and women. The reason

973
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 20: why way women is because they are still in the

974
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 20: twenty first century, unfortunately more likely to end up having

975
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 20: to take sickly to look after children.

976
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: It's part of the ideological because I think it was

977
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: your example, al And the person who works a day

978
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: that's forty eight days a year and they get ten

979
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: days sickly, that's that's heavy. So ideologically the union would argue,

980
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: that's fair enough, that's life. You guys would argue, no,

981
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: it's not.

982
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 13: Well if you go back to when the ten days

983
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 13: sickly for part time workers came in, we're posted at

984
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 13: the time for reason, if you work ten twenty hours,

985
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 13: you get the same amount of sick pay as somebody

986
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 13: who works forty hours a week. Now, if you look

987
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 13: at that from the flip side of that, that means

988
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 13: the person or the people working forty hours a week

989
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 13: and then carrying the burden of those people that are off.

990
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 13: And I'm not sure where it gets to transfer from

991
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 13: You know, you accrue the leave as you go along,

992
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 13: so we're not saying take away the sick leave. It's

993
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 13: just a proaterate.

994
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 15: To the hours that you work.

995
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 13: And also you're coming from the point of view that

996
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 13: employers are trying to exploit these part time people, will

997
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 13: take advantage of them, or however you want to look

998
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 13: at it, have a conversation with your employer. They're reasonable people,

999
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 13: they like keeping their start.

1000
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: Indeed, the consultation side of it, though, Jared, when it

1001
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: comes out in September, is the consultation from your point

1002
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: of view, or the government's worked out what they want

1003
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: to do and they'll do it anyway.

1004
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 20: Well, they seem to be pretty clear. The devil is

1005
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 20: always be in the detail. It is what particklarly, what's

1006
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 20: to find this part time on the leave, But in

1007
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 20: terms of the end you'll leave, it's pretty clear they

1008
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 20: go into any cruel system and actually we know what

1009
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 20: that looks like because my union other unions have been

1010
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 20: fighting for eight years now to get the billions owed

1011
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 20: by workers who are who weren't paid properly. And let

1012
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 20: me give the example of what moving to it a

1013
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 20: cruel system will be because it's oh, it's about simplicity,

1014
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 20: but it's complex for a very good reason to make

1015
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 20: sure workers get leaves that they need. So if I

1016
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 20: start the year working twenty hours, and then in January

1017
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 20: and I move up to a forty hour job, I

1018
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 20: work harder it get some more hours. That's great, regular

1019
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 20: hours to forty in June. And then it comes to

1020
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 20: December and I go, I say, I want a week's leave. Okay, Well,

1021
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 20: under the current law, I get forty hours because I'm

1022
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 20: working forty hours, and I go on leave and I

1023
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 20: at the same pay. Under a cruel system, I get

1024
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 20: thirty hours. Forty thirty hours, yes exactly, I actually move

1025
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 20: twenty five percent. Okay, that's what cruel system mean.

1026
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I understand how the cruel as I get it.

1027
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's wait until September and see what

1028
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: they come up with and see where we go. So

1029
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 3: sick and annual leave it's needlessly complex. Am I just

1030
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: sitting here thinking this is needlessly complex? Or was that

1031
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: just me seventeen minutes away from eight asking if you're sick,

1032
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: you're sick? And I think part of the sickly problem is,

1033
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: of course people take the mickey, don't they. I mean

1034
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: it would nice to think we all turn up to work,

1035
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: actually enjoy our job and have a good life. But

1036
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: it seems to be slightly different these days. Let me

1037
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: come to disability research. Yesterday we got a text and

1038
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 3: it said, Mike, have a look at the new Zealand

1039
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: disability sector changes over the last six years. This came

1040
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 3: out of our discussion with Steve Price ongoing in Australia.

1041
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: It's just a complete and utter route and they hand

1042
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: out money. If they work out your disabled in some way,

1043
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: shape or form, they hand you over money and then

1044
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: you can go out and spend it on whatever you want.

1045
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: And that seems to be a surprise that it's been

1046
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: sort of exposed. Anyway, Mike, have a look at the

1047
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: new Zealand disability sector changes over the last six years.

1048
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 3: Funding no longer on a needs assessment. It is based

1049
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: on what the disabled person chooses to make their life better.

1050
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: So is that true? We have the answer in a

1051
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: month at sixteen two the my costume breakfast. Most of

1052
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: you seem to agree a believing in a cruel system.

1053
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you earn as you go in terms of

1054
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: holiday pay and if you work one day a week.

1055
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 3: Why would you get ten days annual sickly? If it

1056
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: seems pointless versus a person who's working five days, we

1057
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: can get to ten days annual sickly. None of it

1058
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: makes any sense anyway, We'll see where we go with it.

1059
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 19: Right.

1060
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: Disability research is that, as the Texter suggested, ants are

1061
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: close individualized funding. It's called an if payment. We've done

1062
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: the work, Our research department has done the work. It's

1063
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: called an IF payment. You can do with it whatever

1064
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 3: you want. Maintaining your house. They give you a list

1065
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: of ideas. Maintaining your house, personal care of someone disabled,

1066
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: pay the cost for engaging work. It's that sort of stuff.

1067
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: There's a list of what it can't be used for.

1068
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: No illegal activities, no gambling, no alcohol, no things that

1069
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: are not disabilities support such as health services that are

1070
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: provided by a hospital or income. Support doesn't cover cost

1071
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: related to medical supplies, equipment, homer innovations, leisure, recreation, and

1072
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: personal family costs. Now would they have a check on that?

1073
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: I suspect no. So if you went down to the

1074
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: pub and had a nice lunch, what are they going

1075
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: to do? Element of a high trust model labor gave

1076
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: us nothing else apart from erect economy. They gave us

1077
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: the old high trust model. So how do you get

1078
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: and apply for funding? So this is where it gets

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Speaker 3: a bit in New Zealand tricky. You can't fill out

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Speaker 3: a form on the website or anything simple like that.

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00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be a nice idea. What you've got to

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00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: do is find a local needs Assessment coordinator service and

1083
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: you go for a face to face consultation and maybe

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00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: you'll get seen within twenty one days. Now you understand

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00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: the logic behind that, which is obviously you can scam

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00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: them online if you front up and go here I am,

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00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: here are my issues. Let's talk them through. Obviously they

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00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: get a better read on what's going on ADHD. The

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00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: claim was, and I made the comment in Australia have

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: been very contentious. You get money for having ADHD. Remembering,

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00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: of course in Australia, although you were technically disabled, you

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00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: can do whatever you want if you can hold down

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00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: a full time job with ADHD. You get your salary

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00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: as a person holding down a full time job with ADHD,

1095
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: but you also get the so called disability money. Here

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: from what we can find out on the website. It

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: doesn't include ADHD as part of it. However, you can

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Speaker 3: get an ADHD disability payment through WINS for those under

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00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: seventeen year olds and who have severe ADHD that can

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00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 3: be up to seventy eight dollars a week. So it

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00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: doesn't seem as I was going to use the word generous,

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00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: but that's the wrong word. As big a scam as

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Speaker 3: the Australian system seems to be, because that's a multi

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: billion dollar scam. But you know they're getting upset in

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00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 3: Ausralia about the person who went out and bought a car.

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00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: But if you're handing out money because you're disabled and

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00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: you can pretty much do with it whatever you want,

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00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: and you go buy a car, then so what Then

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00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: make a rule that says you can't buy a car,

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: or make a rule that the money is funneled directly

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00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: into help with your disability. But if you're just going

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00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: to hand it out because people are disabled, then you

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00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: know you're asking for trouble. Same thing seems to apply here. Yes,

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: tell them not to gamble or drink booze, but I mean,

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00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: what are you going to do about it when they do?

1116
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: And the answer I strongly suspect there's nothing. So there

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00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: you go. It's a similar but not completely the same system.

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Speaker 3: Turn away from it.

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00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: The mic Hostle Breakfast, where are fader you talk?

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Speaker 12: Said?

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Speaker 3: So more insurance issues. This time it's not about the

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00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: weather but cars and cars that are getting nicked to

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Speaker 3: the country's most stolen car turns out to be the

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Speaker 3: excuse me too, to aqua and given that if you've

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Speaker 3: got one, it'll cost you as much as three thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a year to insure it, now consuming you. Zealand

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Speaker 3: Chief executive John Duffy's back with this' John, very good

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Speaker 3: morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Mike.

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: So it's good on the fuel allegedly, and that's why

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00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: people buy them in the first place. If you balance

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Speaker 3: it out and go, look, I'm saving a fortune on

1133
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: fuel because she's so efficient, but I'm paying extra insurance

1134
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: because it might get nicked. Does the balance work out

1135
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: or we wouldn't have a clue.

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Speaker 21: It's hard to say because everybody's insurance is based on

1137
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 21: different factors, but it's clear that insurers are charging more

1138
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 21: to insure this topic car because of the risk of theft.

1139
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 21: So yeah, it could very well be that you cancel

1140
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 21: out your fuel savings and your insurance pretty.

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Speaker 3: How variable is it? So if you just after a

1142
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 3: small car with a good you know, fuel efficiency rate,

1143
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 3: and can you go to something completely different that doesn't

1144
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: get nick doors often and therefore your premium will be

1145
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: markedly different.

1146
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Speaker 21: You could, But it's it's not just how often or

1147
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 21: how prevalent thefts of that type of car is. It

1148
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 21: depends on your driving history, we live, how many people

1149
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 21: are going to be driving the car. A whole lot

1150
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 21: of other factors go into, you know, the premium the insurance.

1151
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: Company, whether it's on the street.

1152
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 21: Precisely yet, whether you're garaging your car or not, whether

1153
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 21: you install things like inn a mobilizer in the vehicle

1154
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 21: to deter theft. These are all factors that an insurance

1155
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 21: can will take into a care and noticeable.

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00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: If I have a Toyota Aqua and I say I've

1157
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 3: goten a mobilizer, I've never done anything in my life.

1158
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: I've never made a claim. I'm a good player. It's

1159
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 3: in a garage every night. Will that's see they see

1160
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: that for what that is and forget it's an aqua,

1161
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: or will they still penalize it because it's an aqua?

1162
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: And Nick elsewhere.

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00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 21: Well, you know, insurance companies are insurance company. They base

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 21: their what they charge you on hard data and hard risk.

1165
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 21: So the tact of the matter is you'll be taking

1166
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 21: that Toyota Aqua out onto the streets and probably parking

1167
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 21: it at times. And if that means it's more tempting

1168
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 21: for a criminal, it could mean that that the premium

1169
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 21: is higher by the very nature of the type of

1170
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 21: car that you've got.

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Speaker 3: I worry about whether it's sorry, carry on, I.

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Speaker 21: Was just so they may seem unfair, but that's that's

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00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 21: just how works pure hard risk assessment.

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Speaker 3: What I worry about is whether it's an acquit or not.

1175
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Speaker 3: Is that if you ping people to harshly, they're not

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Speaker 3: going to get insured. And you don't want uninsured cars

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00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: on the road because there's already enough of them. And

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00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: we should make at least third party compulsory and we

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00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: never have, And that's a that's that's on us, I guess,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 21: Well, that's right, And you know this is one of

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Speaker 21: the the kind of hidden costs of crime, you know,

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00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 21: where where we're not doing enough to stop vehicle theft. Actually,

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Speaker 21: as a society, we all pay for it because all

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 21: of our premiums rise those of us who choose to

1186
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 21: get insured, and you know that is problematic. So you know,

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00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 21: ultimately the people we should be pointing the finger out

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00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 21: here are the people who are sticking the cars. The

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Speaker 21: insurance companies are just doing what they always do and

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Speaker 21: price based on risk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, John, appreciate it very much, John Duffer.

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Speaker 3: We can't point the fingers at the thieves on the

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00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 3: show because no criminals listen to this program. That's well known.

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: Facts come up in a number of surveys we've done

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: throughout the years. By the way, speaking of cars, just quickly,

1196
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: I gave you the numbers this week on New Zealand

1197
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: new car sales not good. It's been a bad year

1198
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: so far. May was up a smidge on April, but

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Speaker 3: overall things are very quiet in the old car market.

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Speaker 3: But in Australia, ironically the fifth record month in a row.

1201
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: They're going gangbusters, longest streak of growth in twenty years

1202
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: after So what the hell's going on in Australia? Presumably

1203
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: people are feeling bullish enough with enough money to go

1204
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: out and buy cars. Sales are up twelve point two

1205
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: percent from January to May of this year. Similar cars

1206
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: in Australia Ranger, high Lux, rav Outlander, Camery, Corolla, c

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Speaker 3: X five News in a couple of moments then speaking

1208
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Speaker 3: of Australia, Nick Bryant, your trusted.

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Speaker 1: Source for news and fews, the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the Range Rover Sport setting the benchmark in sporting luxury news, togs, EDB.

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Speaker 3: Time one Chick's going out to ed In America it

1212
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: is seven plast eight. It's hard to work out just

1213
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: how big a mess America and its politics are right now.

1214
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: A former president looking for a return to the White House,

1215
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 3: a convicted criminal with more judicial action to come, of course,

1216
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: are the incumbent with the sun in court on gun

1217
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: charges as we speak at about a house in Congress

1218
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: in a state of almost permanent dead locker. But there

1219
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: is a lesson or two in history here, the Forever War,

1220
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: America's unending conflict with itself. It's out today. It's a

1221
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: brilliant look at where America has been and how those

1222
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: threads lead us to today's resolved issues. It's written by

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Speaker 3: our very good friend Nick Briant, who is beck with us.

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Speaker 5: Nick, good morning, Mike, thank you for those kind words.

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Speaker 3: And it's a very very good book. I've only got

1226
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 3: the electronic version, so I've been wading through it. So

1227
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: when you get the hard copy out, I expect one

1228
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 3: with a little signature at the front of you wouldn't mind.

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Speaker 5: Oh, You've always been very supportive, and my books are

1230
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 5: always a labor of love, and it's great to shadow

1231
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 5: with people who love America as well. Are a fascinated

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 5: by it. I know you're in that category.

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Speaker 3: And having said that, your last book, When America Stopped

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: Being Great, ended up I read in this book on

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Speaker 3: Biden's bookshelf.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great story and a great thing to happen.

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Speaker 5: That was a die happy moment for me, Mike. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if there's an audience of one that you want to

1239
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 5: target with a book about America, it's a president of

1240
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 5: the United States. I popped up on Morning Joe one morning,

1241
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: you know that show on at MSNBC, and I was

1242
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 5: talking about this new book i'd written, When America's Stopped

1243
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 5: Being Great. I didn't realize that Biden was a huge

1244
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 5: fan of Morning Joe, or at least he tends to

1245
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 5: watch it most mornings. I think while he was shaving

1246
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 5: or something, you heard me talking about it. The friend

1247
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 5: later that day said, Joe Budden's just mentioned your book.

1248
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it. He hadn't mentioned it by name,

1249
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 5: but he mentioned a new book that came out that

1250
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 5: sounded very much like mine. And then a few weeks

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 5: later somebody on Twitter noted, Nick Bryant will be happy

1252
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 5: with this. It was a picture of Joe Biden in

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Speaker 5: the White House with Anthony Blincoln is US Secretary of State.

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Speaker 5: There was a little pile of books on the shelf behind,

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Speaker 5: Yes what I zoomed in and thought that my book

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Speaker 5: was amongst them, and it was such a thrill mic.

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Speaker 5: I mean, for somebody who's been writing about American politics

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01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 5: for most of my adult life, who ended up with

1259
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: a book in the over office that was really was

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Speaker 5: a special.

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Speaker 3: Moments fantastic you say, as a filled with very good lines.

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Speaker 3: The news cycle is the historical cycle in microcosm. So

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Speaker 3: in broad terms, you're arguing that if we looked a history,

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Speaker 3: we can see why we are here today.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we really can. But it's a history mic that

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 5: we tend to forget, or deliberately arraise or just overlook.

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Speaker 5: I mean, while I argue in the book is that

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Speaker 5: Trump is just as much a product American history as

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Speaker 5: Richard Nixon or John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan or

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Speaker 5: FDR or Abraham Lincoln. But it's the stuff that we

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Speaker 5: tend not to think much about these days. For instance,

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Speaker 5: you know, demagogues have always raised their heads in American history.

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Speaker 5: A lot of the presidents have had surprisingly authoritarian tendencies,

1274
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Speaker 5: including some of the great heroes of the story. Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 5: He shut down three hundred newspapers that he didn't like,

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Speaker 5: a clear violation of the First Amendment. He suspended habeas

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Speaker 5: corpus during the Civil War, another violation of the constitution.

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Speaker 5: FDR again, you know, a liberal hero. The Democrats absolutely

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: adore FDR. But similarly, he was quite authoritarian in some ways,

1280
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Speaker 5: trying to maximize them as much presidential power as he could.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is, Mike, I mean, FDR. He busted

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Speaker 5: the norm set by George Washington that you only serve

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: two terms. He kept on winning re election and that's

1284
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Speaker 5: the point. The American people like this kind of president

1285
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 5: who was very strong, a kind of strong man president.

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 5: And Annada Roosevelt always said. The line in his inoral

1287
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Speaker 5: address that got the biggest applause was not the famous one,

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Speaker 5: The only thing that you have to fear is fear itself.

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Speaker 5: It was actually where he said, you realize that I

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Speaker 5: have to alter the balance of the Constitution here and

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Speaker 5: the wartime powers in peacetime. That got arousing a line

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Speaker 5: of applause, and it shows Americans always been recepted to

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Speaker 5: that kind of strong man leadership.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So the book started an inauguration day and

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Speaker 3: you're on the first train out of Washington. You're not

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Speaker 3: staying behind with your mates for a drink. Was that

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Speaker 3: for you sort of the beginning of the end that

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Speaker 3: you kind of like you'd fallen in love with America,

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Speaker 3: arrived in America, covered America and something wasn't the same.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Washington that day was like a garrison tan. It had

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Speaker 5: thirty five thousand troops that were stopping Americans from fighting

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Speaker 5: American That for me was absolutely tragic. They had a

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Speaker 5: green zone called it in Washington. That was terminology used

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Speaker 5: in Baghdad. I mean literally, Washington looked like Baghdad on

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Speaker 5: the Potomac And Biden's most memorable phrase from the inaugural

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Speaker 5: address was democracy has prevailed. But he didn't say it

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Speaker 5: in a sense of celebration. It was set out of

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Speaker 5: a sense of profound relief. And you know he was

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Speaker 5: speaking on an inaugural platform, might that only two weeks

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Speaker 5: earlier had been the staging post of the January sixth rebellion.

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Speaker 5: And I remember turning up early that day. The US

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Speaker 5: Capital was festooned with red, white and blue bunting, like

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Speaker 5: all inaugurals are, but it really could have been still

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Speaker 5: sequested by yellow police tape, and somebody had decided to

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Speaker 5: test the auto tu and they were putting on the

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Speaker 5: words of the Gettysburg Address, Lincoln's most famous sermon, and

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Speaker 5: the word that day really struck me. Lincoln had asked

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Speaker 5: can this nation endure? And I thought that question still

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Speaker 5: resonated all those years on. As America is just tearing

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Speaker 5: itself apart.

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Speaker 3: You're also arguing the country has to make peace with

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Speaker 3: the two hundred years before the sixties, because we talk

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Speaker 3: about the sixties a lot. Do you think they ever will?

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Speaker 3: Do you think, as you said, that people don't think

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Speaker 3: about it. It is what it is, and we've got

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Speaker 3: this new, weird, crazy Norman it will be what it

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Speaker 3: will be.

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Speaker 5: It's two Americas. But division has always been the default.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the key argument of the book. Independence

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 5: or Victory over the British brought about independence, but it

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Speaker 5: didn't bring about instant nationhood. That wasn't a given. They

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Speaker 5: really had to work at that. There was a feeling

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Speaker 5: in the early years, indeed, that America might become two, three,

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Speaker 5: four different confederations split along regional line. So you know,

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Speaker 5: division has always been there. I'm pretty pessimistic about America

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Speaker 5: in this book, But what I don't think will necessarily

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Speaker 5: happen is that Americas slide into civil war, certainly not

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Speaker 5: on the scale or nature of the civil war that

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Speaker 5: we saw in the eighteen sixties. But what I also

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01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 5: think is America won't reach a state of civil peace.

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Speaker 5: The divisions are so deep now, the alternative realities that

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Speaker 5: Americans have are so deeply embedded. And one of the

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Speaker 5: big arguments that the book is one of the reasons

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 5: why America is so divided is that so much of

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Speaker 5: its history remains unresolved.

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Speaker 3: Brief break, might I go why Nick Bryan, who's with

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Speaker 3: us out of Sydney this morning, his book at the

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Speaker 3: Forever War, America's unending conflict with itself. More In a

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Speaker 3: moment fourteen past the Breakfast News Talks seventeen past eight,

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Speaker 3: Nick Bryant's I guess the forever War, America's unending conflict

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Speaker 3: with itself. It's out today, Nick. Interesting at the end,

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 3: you arrive in America, of course at JFK. You leave JFK,

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 3: Lady Liberty, New York. You're looking at and you didn't

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Speaker 3: look back. And that was a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: Now you end up in Australia, start a new life.

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Speaker 3: As you lead your new life in Australia, have you

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 3: looked back? Do you regret it in any way, shape

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Speaker 3: or form or not?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Mike, I haven't been back to America for almost

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Speaker 5: three years now now. During my adult life, I've never

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Speaker 5: gone more than twelve months without being in America. I've

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Speaker 5: lived in America for the biggest chunk of my adult life.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I started covering Washington for the BBC in the Clinton years.

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Speaker 5: They sent me over for the Monica Luizky Scanda, which

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Speaker 5: are the corner of the Bill Clinton scandal, of course,

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Speaker 5: and I covered Clinton, I covered Bush. I was there

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Speaker 5: on nine to eleven. I was there the night Obama

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Speaker 5: was elected. I was so the night Donald Trump was elected.

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Speaker 5: We were both there, weren't we We were at the

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton what was supposed to be the celebration. You know,

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Speaker 5: I have been absolutely fixated with America and my mind, frankly,

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Speaker 5: has not migrated. I mean, you know, the first thing

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Speaker 5: I do in the morning is check the New York

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Speaker 5: Times at the Washington Post and see what's happening in America.

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Speaker 5: But I haven't been back, and I think that's crucial.

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Speaker 5: You know, we were glad to get away. In the end,

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, my kids have reached the age

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Speaker 5: while they realized why they were doing those shooter drills

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Speaker 5: in their schools. My wife and I had always said

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Speaker 5: that would be the moment we leave Amrita an Australian

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Speaker 5: who was born in New Zealand actually Takapoona, and we

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 5: decided to come back, and we haven't had an urging

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Speaker 5: to return. And I think this speaks of I talk

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Speaker 5: about a faith displaced. I loved America as a kid.

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Speaker 5: That changed me together. As a teenager, I became a

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Speaker 5: lot more confident. Frankly, I ended up at universities I

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01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 5: would never even have thought of applying to had I

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 5: not gone to America as a sixteen year old and

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Speaker 5: really started living out a version of my own American dream.

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Speaker 5: And I've always loved America. At times of my life,

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Speaker 5: I would have happily taken up American citizenship, and I

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: still have that deep love for America. But I don't

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Speaker 5: want to live there, partly because it's got so crazy,

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Speaker 5: partly because it's got so violent, partly frankly because it's

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Speaker 5: willing to countenance the return of Trump. I mean that

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 5: looks like it's not a strong possibility, but certainly a

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Speaker 5: pretty good possibility. So, you know, for all those reasons,

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Speaker 5: I think we're better out of America.

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Speaker 3: Just switch countries briefly, because you've been in the UK

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Speaker 3: with the speech at Cambridge, I know recently, and you

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Speaker 3: write a very good piece in the Sidny Morning here

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Speaker 3: all the other day. I'm assuming you assume, like we

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: all assume, that the Tories are done for? Is it

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Speaker 3: because the Tories have been in power so long and

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 3: all governments that have been in power for a long

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 3: time time, does them or have they done something particularly egregious?

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01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 3: And the polls might be right and it could be

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 3: a wipeout.

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Speaker 5: I think both of those things are true. I think

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 5: any government is trying to sort of win a fourth term,

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 5: which is essentially what the Tours are trying to do. Struggles,

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Speaker 5: you know, I think most governments tend to get booted

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01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 5: out after ten years, don't they. I mean we've seen

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 5: that in India this very week. You know, Mody's obviously

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01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: going to be the prime minister, but with a reduced majority,

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01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 5: and it was a surprise to money. But again it's

1419
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 5: that kind of anti incumbency feel of somebody who's been

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 5: around for a long time. But I also think the

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01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 5: chaos of the Tours is obviously a significant reason. I

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01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: mean Britain's have more prime ministers over the last four

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 5: or five years in Australia in the ashes of political chaos.

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: I Australia at the moment, and I think that's one

1425
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 5: of the reasons. I mean, Keir Starmer is a pretty

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 5: boring labor leader, you know, I described it in that

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Speaker 5: piece as you know, having all the charisma of a

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Speaker 5: packet of frozen peas. If there's any frozen peas listening today.

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Speaker 5: I apologize for the slur, but it's you know, it's

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01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 5: I think it's just a lot of people that are

1431
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 5: set up for the sort of chaos of the Touris

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 5: that post Brexit chaos of the tourism, even though they're

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01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 5: not particularly enthusiastic about a labor government, that's what we'll

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01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 5: get in Britain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, mate. I will be in New York in

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 3: October November, so you won't be. So that's a shame.

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 3: So we'll have to work out some way to get

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: together in the ensuing period. But in the meantime, all

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01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 3: the very best with his latest book. And it's always

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Speaker 3: a thrill to catch up and chat with you, Mike.

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Speaker 5: It's always a pleasure to talk to you. I will

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Speaker 5: hope to get there and over November, so let's have it.

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Speaker 3: There you go, it's on. So then Nick Bryant out

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 3: of Sydney for us this morning. What was it the

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Speaker 3: Trevid scenes of the cap I'll look it up and

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Speaker 3: tell you in just a couple of moments. It was

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Speaker 3: a night to remember. I can tell you that eight

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Speaker 3: twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Eleventh Avenue, Manhattan. And you see Cheer coming down the

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Speaker 3: stairs in tears when it became apparent that her favorite

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Speaker 3: Hillary was not going to win. The other woman who

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Speaker 3: was I cannot remember the actress's name. She was in

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Speaker 3: the you know, the orgasm scene in with Billy Crystal,

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Speaker 3: Meg Roan, Megrian, Meg Ryan was there not looking too

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Speaker 3: well for where, but she'd worked out that Hillary wasn't

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Speaker 3: going to win. She too was coming down the stairs

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Speaker 3: crying away.

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Speaker 12: I just clarify it wasn't the orgasm scene. It was

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Speaker 12: the fake orgasm scene.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, well was it? Because it was certainly well done,

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Speaker 3: So well done.

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Speaker 12: I think that was the point of the scene.

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Speaker 3: You just didn't know. Does he think RFK is gone now?

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Speaker 3: Does he think RSK has a chance? RFK is an

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Speaker 3: interesting bloke and talked extensively about that. And I think

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Speaker 3: it's the what's the amendment? Fourteenth amendment? If he gets

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Speaker 3: on enough gets on the ballot and enough states and

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Speaker 3: causes enough consternation that the electoral college number of two

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Speaker 3: seventy isn't reached by either candidate, that's going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of elections, the snap pole after the debate last

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Speaker 3: night with Rishi and Sakiah fifty one to forty nine,

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Speaker 3: Rishi won it. They saw him as more believable, They

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Speaker 3: saw Kia as more relatable. There's another poll out this morning.

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Speaker 3: This one's from you Gav as well, and it's got

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Speaker 3: the Reform Party. And this is where it gets interesting

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01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 3: because under FPP, just because you've got a good number

1501
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you win any seats, and so what sort

1502
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: of effect this is going to have. But it's got

1503
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: the Reform Party, Faraj's party on seventeen percent as opposed

1504
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: to the Faraj announcement just a couple of days ago.

1505
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: So we've definitely moved the needle Conservatives on nineteen. So

1506
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 3: nineteen plays seventeen, so the Conservatives will be absolutely wetting

1507
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 3: themselves at the moment. So all of this and more

1508
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: with our man Rod, who's w us after the news,

1509
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: which is next on the my Casking.

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: Breakfast, setting the news agenda and digging into the issues

1511
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether better

1512
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: across residential, commercial, and rural.

1513
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 3: On news talks, he'd be Mike, we were there to

1514
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 3: support Hillary, et cetera. For all you conspiracy theorists around coverage,

1515
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: what was happening was everyone went to the international media

1516
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 3: went to Hillary Clinton's headquarters, because you had a choice

1517
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: of two in New York. You had a choice of

1518
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's headquarters or you had a choice of Trump's headquarters.

1519
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: Problem with the Trump headquarters as they weren't letting international

1520
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 3: media in. They only let a selection of local media,

1521
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 3: and so the only thing they had to do was

1522
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 3: to either not go to either or go to Hillary's headquarters,

1523
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 3: which was I believe me, it was well worth watching.

1524
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 3: It was an extraordinary night. You've never seen as it

1525
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 3: because as a detached observer, and they had it all

1526
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 3: and the Jabbet Center is a massive, massive room, massive center,

1527
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: and they had a huge electronic wall, and they were

1528
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: the map of America and they were putting up the

1529
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: results as they came to hand. And you've never seen

1530
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: more people being more deluded in one room at a

1531
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: time because as a sort of an observer just going

1532
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: this is interesting. This doesn't look like it's going well,

1533
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: And it became fairly evident fairly early on it wasn't

1534
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 3: going well, and yet they couldn't see it. And I thought,

1535
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 3: at what point are these people going to wake up

1536
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: their candidates losing the election right in front of their

1537
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 3: eyes and they don't seem to have realized it. And

1538
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 3: it got right, and it got to the early hours

1539
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: of the New York morning, twelve thirty one o'clock in

1540
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 3: the morning, and you were getting the late States when

1541
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 3: it had become a abundantly clear she wasn't going to win,

1542
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: and yet still they sort of couldn't believe it. It

1543
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 3: was the weirdest, weirdest night. Twenty two minutes away.

1544
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 17: From nine International correspondence with ends an eye insurance peace

1545
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 17: of mind for New Zealand business.

1546
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 15: Speaking of elections in Britain, Rod Little Morning Mate, Good

1547
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 15: morning Tuna Mate.

1548
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 3: Once Natpolo read posted about fifty one forty nine to Rishie,

1549
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 3: was it worth a watch? Would it have changed any

1550
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: of the votes? Or are we all made up our minds?

1551
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 15: The usual thing to say is that it doesn't change

1552
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 15: any of the votes. That may be true. That may

1553
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 15: be true. However that fifty one forty nine ignores the fact,

1554
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 15: well it doesn't ignore the fact, but I mean, if

1555
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 15: you look at that figure, You've got to take into

1556
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 15: account that Richie Sounac is on twenty three percent in

1557
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 15: the polls, twenty four percent in the polls, so that

1558
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 15: is a quite remarkable sort of vote. I mean, I

1559
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 15: watched the debate because I have a sad, empty life.

1560
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 15: Five million other people did it, so it did get

1561
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 15: out there, and Richie won. I was counting the scores

1562
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 15: as we went through, by about ten two nine three,

1563
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 15: ten two. He won easily and convincingly. And the thing

1564
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 15: which he won most convincingly on was the fact that

1565
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 15: if Labour gets in, you are going to pay more

1566
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 15: for everything. You know, it's going to be taxes, it's

1567
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 15: going to be fatuous green schemes, it's going to be

1568
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 15: vat on things you're not paying V eight and at

1569
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 15: the moment and so on. And it worked, it worked.

1570
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 15: And the other way it worked was that the other

1571
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 15: way which this debate worked in favor of Richisunac was

1572
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 15: that Starma has no vision for the country and would

1573
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 15: not elucidate as to what he was going to do

1574
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 15: if he got in. Now. That was matched by Richisunac

1575
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 15: equally refusing to concede that the Conservatives hasn't been the

1576
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 15: ideal party of government for the last ten years. Sure

1577
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 15: he was wrong there, but this notion that Starma couldn't

1578
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 15: actually say what Labor was going to do on any

1579
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 15: single issue really resonates with the public. And I think

1580
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 15: fifty one forty nine, I think that Sunaku won by

1581
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 15: a mile, and I think that has had some resonance,

1582
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 15: not enough to reverse the poles, but enough maybe to

1583
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 15: shove two or three percent.

1584
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 3: Have we got any seats at all? Because since we

1585
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: last talked, there was the massive series of poles, these

1586
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 3: projections where they interviewed teens of thousands of people. I

1587
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 3: know there's one out this morning that says reforms within

1588
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: a couple of points, and you got poll Conservatives nineteen,

1589
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 3: reforms seventeen. Do we have any sense whether these poles

1590
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 3: are real or the poles just feed into the poles

1591
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: And when you see the Tories being wiped out into

1592
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 3: sixty six seats or whatever, it's it's just a thing

1593
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 3: that becomes a thing in and of itself.

1594
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a time lack with the polls. And I

1595
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 15: have to say, if you'd asked me, and you did,

1596
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 15: I think three a week or so ago, you know

1597
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 15: what was going to happen in the general election, I

1598
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 15: would have said it's going to be a lot closer

1599
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 15: than people suspect, and I wouldn't rule out a hung parliament.

1600
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 15: I think the advent of Nigel Farrage joining the campaign

1601
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 15: standing for MP being at the forefront of reform has

1602
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 15: substantially changed that in favor of the Labor Party, because

1603
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 15: the Reform Party will do great damage now to the Conservatives,

1604
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 15: especially up here where I am in the red Wall

1605
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 15: seats of the northeast of England and indeed the Northwest.

1606
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 15: They will cause very, very great damage. Indeed, whether it's

1607
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 15: fifteen or sixteen percent, I think that's probably pushing it

1608
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 15: when it comes to an actual poll rather than an

1609
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 15: opinion poll. But you know, you take ten percent off

1610
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 15: in all of these seats and that's that's a toury

1611
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 15: is wiped out.

1612
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the interesting thing, and once again we've

1613
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 3: talked about your first past the post system. So you

1614
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 3: get your twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent and it comes

1615
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: from the Tories. But do you win a seat or

1616
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 3: do you just play exactly so you play the spoiler.

1617
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 3: Labor get all the seats and you've got nothing to

1618
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 3: show for it other than you're stuck it up the Tories.

1619
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, well yeah, except you see, I had a meeting

1620
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 15: two or two weeks ago with the local reform people

1621
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 15: in the constituency in which I'm standing, and the thing

1622
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 15: we were talking about was, you know, would they support

1623
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 15: the SDP when we stand And the thing would shone

1624
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 15: through from them, and there were three of them, was

1625
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 15: that they were motivated almost entirely by a hatred for

1626
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 15: the Conservative Party. You know, it was rancorous. I don't

1627
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 15: like the Conservative Party very much, but this not really

1628
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 15: hated them, and I think you're going to see a

1629
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 15: bit more of that. So the question will come down

1630
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 15: to for the voters vote reform and get labor reform.

1631
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 15: Will say, well, so what, it's no worse than having

1632
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 15: the concern in power. But I think a few conservative

1633
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 15: voters will think twice. But nonetheless, I think the Toys

1634
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 15: are in a far worst position now. The Farage he

1635
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 15: was a supremely competent and charismatic politician. Whatever you may

1636
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 15: think of his policies, he is very very adept at

1637
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 15: tapping in to the concerns and worries of the average,

1638
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 15: particularly working class voter. That's hugely damaging for the tours.

1639
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 15: It's pretty damaging for my party to tell you the truth,

1640
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 15: and it will have an effect on election day.

1641
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: Good on you might we'll catch up on Excuesday. Appreciate

1642
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 3: it very much. Sky A SKYTEV. By the way, Rod Little,

1643
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: but SkyTV have announced this morning that they're running what

1644
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: it's not quite a third debate. There were two debates,

1645
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: one of which was held ninety big. I'm assuming the

1646
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 3: second ones on BBC. But Sky have announced this morning

1647
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: that this coming Thursday today we in other words, they're

1648
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,799
Speaker 3: going to hebe what they call an in depth interview

1649
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 3: with Russian Kia and then they're going to put questions

1650
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 3: to the audience. There's also been announced over a night

1651
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: a deputy leaders sort of get together headline today. Angela

1652
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 3: Grandela Rainer pound Land, Penny Mordant and Nigel mister Milkshake

1653
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 3: Farage are going to go head to head next week

1654
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 3: as well, so that may or may not be worth watching.

1655
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 3: Eight forty five the Mike Costing racist coment is away

1656
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 3: from nine Wallspurit Journal just reporting that a deal's been

1657
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: done with the NBA National Basketball Association for eleven years.

1658
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't know why they went eleven. They probably someone

1659
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: wanted twelve and someone else wanted ten. Maybe that's where

1660
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 3: they landed.

1661
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1662
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 3: Seventy six billion NBC and Amazon and ESPN get it,

1663
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 3: seventy six billion. That's a two hundred and so seven

1664
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 3: billion a year for broadcasting rights. That's roughly a two

1665
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five percent increase on what they did.

1666
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 3: Which the only reason I mentioned that, apart from the

1667
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 3: fact that's interesting and eyewatering, is of course you bring

1668
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 3: it back to rugby and its various trials and tribulations

1669
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: in this part of the world. And I keep trying

1670
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: to explain globally, sport is on fire. Sport is the

1671
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: go to lean into. If you've got something sport related,

1672
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 3: media cannot bend over enough to get you involved in it.

1673
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: From volleyball to pickleball, to the NFL to the NBA

1674
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: to the NHL, the women's basketball, things taken on a

1675
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 3: whole life of its own in America at the moment,

1676
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 3: and just we don't seem to League here. League here,

1677
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 3: for example, is doing really well in a small, little,

1678
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 3: confined part of the world. But you know, poor rugby,

1679
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 3: I know what a great deal of interest. Will Alexander

1680
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 3: has finally brought his hunger strike to an ended. You

1681
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: noticed this yesterday after nineteen nineteen. What I'm assuming if

1682
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: Philly peckish days Anyway, I went straight to his demands

1683
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: when he launched this on the eighteenth of May. He

1684
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: had three demands to be met before he stopped eating,

1685
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, in nineteen days, three demands have

1686
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 3: been met. That's not bad. What are these demands? I

1687
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 3: thought that Will Alexander former Short Street actor by the way,

1688
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: just in case you not quite the household name he

1689
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: might think, he is one the government restart and double

1690
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: its funding for the United Nations relief. Now that hasn't happened,

1691
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: so things aren't off to a good start. Two Paul

1692
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: kiwi troops from the Red Sea. No, that hasn't happened either,

1693
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: So he's not USY so zero for two. Will three

1694
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 3: stop New Zealand high tech company Raycon from supplying components. Now,

1695
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 3: the problem with Raycon is they said quite clearly they

1696
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: had no idea and they didn't think that any of

1697
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 3: their stuff went into weapons. So that hasn't happened either,

1698
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 3: So he's lost thirteen kilograms overall and he's achieved nothing,

1699
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 3: So what was the point? And you've never you've.

1700
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 12: Fallen round to his trap here you are talking about

1701
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 12: it on the most listened to radio show in the country.

1702
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't, Glenn, because it depends what he wanted.

1703
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 3: Did he want the water to stop or did he

1704
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 3: want to just draw attention to himself? So he would

1705
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 3: argue he wants the war stopped. So he's failed utterly

1706
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 3: if he merely wanted people to talk about And then

1707
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: you're right, I did fall into his trap here I

1708
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 3: am talking about him, and he's sitting listening, going, oh

1709
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: they're talking about fabulous. But we wouldn't want to make

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: that suspicion, would we. I'm sure he's a much more

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Speaker 3: rounded individual. And what he really wanted was the water stop?

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01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 12: Did it say what he went for? Was it a McMuffin? First?

1713
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 3: A good question, very very good questions, Pie completely ignored

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 3: in the coverage that I read yesterday.

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Speaker 12: That's but the only thing I want to know.

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Speaker 3: Next thing in the headline X Shortland Street actor, is

1717
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,959
Speaker 3: that really what you want to be known for? I mean, honestly,

1718
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 3: is we're all ex Shortland Street actors, aren't we I

1719
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 3: mean's we've all been there eight minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 2: The cost breakfast.

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01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 3: Maybe you just wanted to lose some weight, Mic, and

1722
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 3: you lost thirteen kgs. You're not in Guatemala now, doctor Hoskins, Mike,

1723
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 3: there's one thing the idea fears most. It's a B

1724
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: grade lefty actor from New Zealand. Starvingham is a very

1725
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: very guy called Prof Galloway who does a podcast and

1726
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: he talks often about this infatuated generation of people who

1727
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 3: think they're so fantastically self important that by doing attention

1728
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: seeking stuff. He was referring to, of course, all the

1729
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: protests on the university campuses, but all these people are

1730
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 3: drawing attention to themselves, genuinely believing that they somehow are

1731
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 3: going to make a difference because they are so so important.

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Speaker 3: Five to nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now, Humous ware House, your home of Winter Essentials.

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Speaker 3: State of O last night, and the talking point this

1735
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 3: morning has been the Blues player who got sent off

1736
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 3: after ten minutes and Maroons romped home.

1737
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: So that was all that.

1738
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 3: But before all that happened, we had the anthem, of course,

1739
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 3: the Australian anthem, uh plenty of people were amused because

1740
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 3: they're calling it a hipster version. It's the twenty twenty

1741
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 3: four Australian Idol Winner winner Dylan Wright.

1742
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Speaker 5: Australians, there are three choice are we go on every.

1743
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: Good, damn sorl well thoughts, our home is Cavasi.

1744
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 9: Lander bounds and Nature's gears beauty rich.

1745
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 3: I see what he's trying to do then, and he's

1746
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 3: actually trying to get She's not a dead every stead

1747
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: He watched the super Bowl version, Wait.

1748
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: Cherv Strange?

1749
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 5: Nonis fair?

1750
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 17: You fair?

1751
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 3: He was wearing a powdered green suit, which didn't help either.

1752
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, the Radio Awards are on tonight and

1753
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 3: producer Sammy's he's going along. His mum's led him out late,

1754
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 3: so he's got to pass for the night, and he

1755
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 3: too is wearing a green suit. He will be the

1756
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 3: only one wearing a green suit fairly obvious reasons. Green's

1757
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: not that big in the suiting department. I'm pretty pretty

1758
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 3: comfortable and saying that at the moment, and so green

1759
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 3: suit it is. And so we'll take some photos, we'll

1760
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 3: get something up online and put it on the older

1761
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 3: website and stuff like that. Anyway, back tomorrow morning at

1762
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,839
Speaker 3: six as always, Happy Days.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful seas it o.

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Speaker 1: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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