1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks AB. 3 00:00:12,893 --> 00:00:16,573 Speaker 2: It's screen time time. If you are looking for something 4 00:00:16,573 --> 00:00:19,893 Speaker 2: good to watch or stream from the comfort of your 5 00:00:19,893 --> 00:00:23,213 Speaker 2: place this weekend. Carl Pushman has his recommendations for us. 6 00:00:23,213 --> 00:00:27,533 Speaker 2: Get O Carl, Good morning Jack. Let's begin with the 7 00:00:27,613 --> 00:00:30,693 Speaker 2: latest special from Louis Theroux tell us about Louis Throux 8 00:00:30,733 --> 00:00:34,133 Speaker 2: Inside the Manisphere. Yeah. 9 00:00:34,133 --> 00:00:36,213 Speaker 3: I was really excited for this one because if there's 10 00:00:36,213 --> 00:00:38,933 Speaker 3: anyone capable of not only going inside the Manisphere but 11 00:00:38,933 --> 00:00:43,213 Speaker 3: then escaping and tact out the other side, it's Louis. Now, 12 00:00:43,493 --> 00:00:45,253 Speaker 3: if you don't know the Manisphere, this is the name 13 00:00:45,293 --> 00:00:49,093 Speaker 3: given to the podcasts and social media communities that champion 14 00:00:49,173 --> 00:00:53,413 Speaker 3: this toxic idea of masculinity. It's really poisonous stuff, just 15 00:00:53,573 --> 00:00:59,253 Speaker 3: horrifically misogynistic and as we see, exploitative of its fans. 16 00:00:59,693 --> 00:01:01,853 Speaker 3: And what makes it so dangerous is that it parayed 17 00:01:01,933 --> 00:01:05,053 Speaker 3: under the banner of self improvement helping, claiming to help 18 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:09,253 Speaker 3: men get financially dependent and rich and get super fit 19 00:01:09,293 --> 00:01:11,213 Speaker 3: and all that kind of things, which, you know, self 20 00:01:11,213 --> 00:01:16,093 Speaker 3: improvement is good, but this takes an incredibly dark, dark turn, 21 00:01:16,733 --> 00:01:20,373 Speaker 3: and you know, it's scary how massively popular it's become. 22 00:01:20,933 --> 00:01:23,733 Speaker 3: The documentary shows thirty to four year old kids running 23 00:01:23,813 --> 00:01:27,093 Speaker 3: up to these four manispare influences that Louis spending time with, 24 00:01:27,413 --> 00:01:30,333 Speaker 3: asking for soeltheast and buzzing around with you know, genuine 25 00:01:30,373 --> 00:01:34,733 Speaker 3: excitement at meeting these guys, and it's really worrying, especially 26 00:01:34,973 --> 00:01:36,733 Speaker 3: as a parent. You know, if you're a parent of 27 00:01:36,773 --> 00:01:39,933 Speaker 3: a young boy, you don't want them going anywhere near 28 00:01:39,973 --> 00:01:43,333 Speaker 3: this stuff because the views and the ideas are just horrible. 29 00:01:43,733 --> 00:01:46,813 Speaker 3: And if you're the mother of a daughter, I mean 30 00:01:46,813 --> 00:01:49,533 Speaker 3: a father, a parent of a daughter, it's just as 31 00:01:49,573 --> 00:01:53,613 Speaker 3: bad because these guys are teaching young men just awful, 32 00:01:53,773 --> 00:01:58,453 Speaker 3: awful behaviors and ideas and philosophies. So you know, it's 33 00:01:59,253 --> 00:02:03,613 Speaker 3: not pleasant stuff at all. Louis goes in and you know, 34 00:02:04,013 --> 00:02:08,813 Speaker 3: he's the master of giving people enough rope to hang themselves. 35 00:02:09,213 --> 00:02:12,213 Speaker 3: And what I loved about this documentary in particular is 36 00:02:12,253 --> 00:02:15,053 Speaker 3: that this time he's dropped his bafflement. You know, that's 37 00:02:15,053 --> 00:02:17,693 Speaker 3: sort of his stick. You know, he looks all surprised 38 00:02:17,693 --> 00:02:19,933 Speaker 3: and all what's going on here and does it that way. 39 00:02:20,413 --> 00:02:22,493 Speaker 3: This time is a bit more hard edged and he 40 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:25,733 Speaker 3: sort of goes in a little bit more aggressive in 41 00:02:27,213 --> 00:02:30,533 Speaker 3: exposing these guys, you know, and they're all puffed up 42 00:02:30,653 --> 00:02:33,053 Speaker 3: and acting as alpha as they can around him, and 43 00:02:33,093 --> 00:02:35,653 Speaker 3: he just deflates them with you know, a single line 44 00:02:35,733 --> 00:02:38,373 Speaker 3: or quip and sometimes just a smirk is enough to 45 00:02:38,813 --> 00:02:43,613 Speaker 3: completely derail them. It's really brilliant stuff. So, you know, 46 00:02:43,693 --> 00:02:46,893 Speaker 3: he's Louis just just great and he is just there 47 00:02:48,533 --> 00:02:52,293 Speaker 3: taking you know, taking them down. But in that Louis 48 00:02:52,293 --> 00:02:57,173 Speaker 3: through way, which is just wonderful to see. Yeah, they 49 00:02:57,173 --> 00:02:59,133 Speaker 3: don't really know what to make of them, actually, and 50 00:02:59,253 --> 00:03:02,613 Speaker 3: the documentary shows heaps of their social media footage where 51 00:03:03,293 --> 00:03:06,813 Speaker 3: they're talking to their Instagram followers, whatever, and just freaking 52 00:03:06,813 --> 00:03:08,853 Speaker 3: out about their interactions with them while still trying to 53 00:03:08,893 --> 00:03:13,613 Speaker 3: come across as these big, alpha, alpha manly men. So yeah, 54 00:03:13,613 --> 00:03:17,973 Speaker 3: in that regard, it's great. It's really impactful, and it's 55 00:03:17,973 --> 00:03:20,933 Speaker 3: a really powerful documentary. But at the end of it, sadly, 56 00:03:21,013 --> 00:03:24,453 Speaker 3: Louis doesn't have any answers really for how to combat 57 00:03:24,453 --> 00:03:27,333 Speaker 3: the stuff or how to take it on. He shows 58 00:03:27,373 --> 00:03:31,573 Speaker 3: that laughing at them, yeah, is very effective and works. 59 00:03:31,773 --> 00:03:35,373 Speaker 3: But they're so big now that the audience doesn't know 60 00:03:35,373 --> 00:03:38,253 Speaker 3: we're laughing at them, and that's that's where it all 61 00:03:38,293 --> 00:03:42,293 Speaker 3: sort of there's no answer, which maybe it's that's unfairter 62 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:44,893 Speaker 3: to think he could provide, but it would have been 63 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,493 Speaker 3: good just to have a little bit more depth in 64 00:03:47,573 --> 00:03:51,373 Speaker 3: there still and engaging and engaging what so I highly recommend. 65 00:03:51,493 --> 00:03:55,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it sounds interesting. It's sort of like, yeah, 66 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:58,733 Speaker 2: you wonder sometimes too if mocking people like this actually 67 00:03:58,813 --> 00:04:01,893 Speaker 2: ends up just contributing to the you know, to the 68 00:04:01,973 --> 00:04:04,613 Speaker 2: issue or to the phenomenon a. So that'll be really interesting. 69 00:04:04,653 --> 00:04:05,933 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it. As soon as I 70 00:04:05,933 --> 00:04:07,533 Speaker 2: saw he was in the Manisphere, I was like, yeah, 71 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,133 Speaker 2: that's gonna be a bit of me. So that's lowly 72 00:04:09,213 --> 00:04:12,893 Speaker 2: through inside the Manisphere. That's on Netflix. Speaking of Louis 73 00:04:13,293 --> 00:04:17,173 Speaker 2: or Lewis, tell us about DTF Saint Lewis. This is 74 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:17,733 Speaker 2: on Neon. 75 00:04:19,973 --> 00:04:21,733 Speaker 3: Yes, Now, if you know the acronym, it's a very 76 00:04:21,733 --> 00:04:25,133 Speaker 3: attention grabbing title. However, I'll explain it for more innocent 77 00:04:25,133 --> 00:04:27,773 Speaker 3: people like yourself there, Jack, it's a more explicit way 78 00:04:27,813 --> 00:04:30,293 Speaker 3: of saying that you're open to engaging in relations of 79 00:04:30,373 --> 00:04:36,333 Speaker 3: an adult nature. Piece together diplomatic yes, yes, the risky 80 00:04:36,413 --> 00:04:39,613 Speaker 3: titled you know, it appealed, but rather it was the 81 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,853 Speaker 3: show's stars, Justin Bateman and David Harbor that made me 82 00:04:42,893 --> 00:04:44,493 Speaker 3: want to watch this thing. You know, put those guys 83 00:04:44,493 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 3: into anything, and I'm going to give it a shot. 84 00:04:46,853 --> 00:04:48,853 Speaker 3: It's an HBO show and it's a bit of a 85 00:04:48,853 --> 00:04:52,733 Speaker 3: genre bender. It's a darkly comedic crime series that mashes 86 00:04:52,813 --> 00:04:56,813 Speaker 3: midlife malaise with a murder mystery. In that regard, it's 87 00:04:56,933 --> 00:04:59,733 Speaker 3: very unique, and it has that same vibe as a 88 00:04:59,773 --> 00:05:02,853 Speaker 3: Coen Brothers film, which you know, I that's high praise. 89 00:05:02,893 --> 00:05:04,813 Speaker 3: I love the Coen Brothers and this has that same 90 00:05:05,373 --> 00:05:09,093 Speaker 3: those deep realistic characters, but everyone's got their quirks to 91 00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:12,293 Speaker 3: them and it's a little bit offbeat and weird, so 92 00:05:12,413 --> 00:05:14,933 Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's really great. It follows the friendship and 93 00:05:15,013 --> 00:05:17,773 Speaker 3: love triangle that develops between a local weatherman played by 94 00:05:18,213 --> 00:05:21,253 Speaker 3: Justin Bateman, his on screen sign language interpreter, which is 95 00:05:21,293 --> 00:05:25,973 Speaker 3: David Harbor, and the interpreter's wife. This is all sparked 96 00:05:25,973 --> 00:05:28,813 Speaker 3: when the two men start in their words exploring the 97 00:05:28,813 --> 00:05:33,773 Speaker 3: hook up app DTF saying Lewis. Things spiral from there, 98 00:05:33,853 --> 00:05:37,293 Speaker 3: ac culminating a highly suspicious murder in episode one, and 99 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:39,573 Speaker 3: this has when the show introduces two detectives and they 100 00:05:41,413 --> 00:05:44,213 Speaker 3: pulled dynamic which really pushes the series forward. Is it 101 00:05:44,293 --> 00:05:46,853 Speaker 3: sort of splits into two timelines, the events leading up 102 00:05:46,853 --> 00:05:50,493 Speaker 3: to the murder and the present day investigation. These two 103 00:05:50,533 --> 00:05:54,893 Speaker 3: investigators are wonderfully dry. It's very very funny. Nose surprises 104 00:05:54,893 --> 00:05:56,693 Speaker 3: are two leagues are great. Justin Bateman is one of 105 00:05:56,733 --> 00:05:59,453 Speaker 3: the most likable actors on TV. You just can't help 106 00:05:59,493 --> 00:06:02,493 Speaker 3: but like that guy, and here he really works at gift, 107 00:06:02,893 --> 00:06:05,773 Speaker 3: introducing a very sleazy side, sort of creepy to his 108 00:06:05,813 --> 00:06:08,413 Speaker 3: every man person owner as the Jim hickyesque with a 109 00:06:08,413 --> 00:06:14,653 Speaker 3: man in the show so star David Habe Harbor, his 110 00:06:14,933 --> 00:06:17,573 Speaker 3: betrayal of the protective dad Jim Hopper made him one 111 00:06:17,613 --> 00:06:20,693 Speaker 3: of the big breakout stars of Stranger Things, and here 112 00:06:20,733 --> 00:06:24,773 Speaker 3: he double downs as the good natured sign language interpreter. 113 00:06:25,413 --> 00:06:27,453 Speaker 3: The big irony being, of course, that he's playing a 114 00:06:27,453 --> 00:06:29,693 Speaker 3: man who downloads a hook up app to escape a 115 00:06:29,693 --> 00:06:32,653 Speaker 3: stagnant marriage, which was actually doing in real life while 116 00:06:32,653 --> 00:06:34,933 Speaker 3: they filmed this series while he was married to pop 117 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:37,413 Speaker 3: star Lily Allen, who then went on to write all 118 00:06:37,453 --> 00:06:40,213 Speaker 3: about it in great personal detail in her last album 119 00:06:40,413 --> 00:06:44,133 Speaker 3: Western girl, but we won't gossip. I'll just say DTF 120 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:47,453 Speaker 3: sac Lewis is really really good. It's quirky and funny 121 00:06:47,453 --> 00:06:49,693 Speaker 3: and intriguing. The mystery just keeps you guessing at what's 122 00:06:49,733 --> 00:06:52,733 Speaker 3: actually going on. And I will warn that it does 123 00:06:52,773 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 3: live up to the crude rat suggestions of its title. 124 00:06:55,733 --> 00:06:58,013 Speaker 3: So if you're a bit more of a sensitive nature, 125 00:06:58,373 --> 00:06:59,493 Speaker 3: you might want to give it a miss. But for 126 00:06:59,533 --> 00:07:01,253 Speaker 3: everyone else, yeah, I love it. It's great. 127 00:07:01,413 --> 00:07:04,733 Speaker 2: Oh, very good. So there's DDF and Lewis that's on Neons. 128 00:07:04,773 --> 00:07:07,973 Speaker 2: Sounds very quirky, so crack. Thank you very much for that, Carl. 129 00:07:08,533 --> 00:07:11,133 Speaker 2: Carl's first show, of course, Louis throu Inside the Manosphere. 130 00:07:11,173 --> 00:07:13,533 Speaker 2: That's on Netflix, and you can hear more from Carl 131 00:07:13,653 --> 00:07:15,653 Speaker 2: on his substack screen. 132 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:19,493 Speaker 1: Crack For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen 133 00:07:19,573 --> 00:07:22,413 Speaker 1: live to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, 134 00:07:22,653 --> 00:07:24,693 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio