WEBVTT - Max Whitehead: Dust off that CV 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.961 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks AB. 0:00:12.521 --> 0:00:35.561 The Open Class. Why yeah, Baby, Oh sorry, yeah, welcome back. 0:00:35.601 --> 0:00:38.801 It's the Weekend Collective. Roman Travism for tempton Beverage. Man, 0:00:38.841 --> 0:00:41.481 that's a great song. Joining us at this hour is 0:00:41.601 --> 0:00:43.961 a wonderful Max Whitehead for smart Money. 0:00:43.961 --> 0:00:46.441 Get a there, Max, Jeez, I love that song. I'd 0:00:46.441 --> 0:00:49.081 make that my signature if I could really really love it, 0:00:49.121 --> 0:00:51.201 I'd probably play it on my phone for people to 0:00:51.241 --> 0:00:53.521 bring up and get some some advice. 0:00:53.601 --> 0:00:56.321 Why didn't realize you could dance? That was incredible while 0:00:56.401 --> 0:00:59.321 dancing on a cheer though, good movements there, Max. Look, 0:00:59.321 --> 0:01:01.281 it's good to see you. And with a fresh year 0:01:01.361 --> 0:01:04.241 twenty twenty five, here we go at a wobbly economy, 0:01:04.481 --> 0:01:06.801 it's always good to get the dust off the old 0:01:06.881 --> 0:01:09.321 CV and make sure it's up to date. I'll tell 0:01:09.321 --> 0:01:11.041 you what I had to redo my CV a couple 0:01:11.081 --> 0:01:14.761 of years ago. Man, everything's changed, everything's changed. So where 0:01:14.761 --> 0:01:18.001 should you start and what should you include in your CV? 0:01:18.121 --> 0:01:20.761 And how can you make sure your application stands out 0:01:20.801 --> 0:01:21.841 from the rest of the pile. 0:01:22.321 --> 0:01:25.521 Well, good questions and look at it all depends on 0:01:25.561 --> 0:01:28.361 totally what the type of job you're after, but certainly 0:01:28.401 --> 0:01:30.481 what you've got to look at it from a perspective. 0:01:30.641 --> 0:01:33.761 Always think about it. What does the employer want rather 0:01:33.841 --> 0:01:36.841 than what you want? So turn it round and if 0:01:36.881 --> 0:01:40.281 they want somebody smart, they want somebody reliable, someone who's 0:01:40.281 --> 0:01:42.921 going to turn up on time. Those are the fundamentals 0:01:42.921 --> 0:01:45.241 that employers are looking for. So first off you need 0:01:45.281 --> 0:01:47.121 to tick off those boxes. But then you need to 0:01:47.161 --> 0:01:49.201 do some research on that company and you need to 0:01:49.241 --> 0:01:52.161 go right into it quite deeply, so you know, look 0:01:52.201 --> 0:01:55.201 at their supplies, those sort of people, talk to them 0:01:55.241 --> 0:01:58.161 if you can. If you know the business quite well, 0:01:58.241 --> 0:01:59.801 you know there's a lot of people that you can 0:01:59.841 --> 0:02:02.241 actually talk to in regards to their staff as well, 0:02:03.161 --> 0:02:04.801 and get a bit of a feel for what is 0:02:04.801 --> 0:02:07.721 it actually wanting, what the role will be acquiring before 0:02:07.761 --> 0:02:10.161 you even front up and even put that CV together. 0:02:10.321 --> 0:02:12.081 Great advice, and I reckon the best thing to do 0:02:12.121 --> 0:02:14.121 apart from all of that is to call Can you 0:02:14.121 --> 0:02:16.441 give a free chat with Max right now? Max Whitehead 0:02:16.641 --> 0:02:20.321 and Employment Relations Expert eight hundred eight ten eighty. You 0:02:20.401 --> 0:02:22.121 can text if you want to nine two nine to two. 0:02:22.161 --> 0:02:24.281 You are much better off calling the free phone number 0:02:24.521 --> 0:02:27.761 and having that chat. So CVS, when I was at 0:02:27.761 --> 0:02:30.321 school back and there were dinosaurs, it was it was 0:02:30.361 --> 0:02:31.521 a time you should have seen us. 0:02:32.241 --> 0:02:34.521 It was a long time ago, that was nineteen thirty four. 0:02:34.601 --> 0:02:37.521 Well it wasn't far off it, you asked David Seymore 0:02:37.521 --> 0:02:38.681 he thinks I'm a dinosaur. 0:02:39.401 --> 0:02:40.481 You're not a dinosaur. 0:02:40.641 --> 0:02:42.441 No, you should hear what he had to say. Anyway, 0:02:42.601 --> 0:02:45.961 So going back your full work history, that's what I 0:02:46.041 --> 0:02:48.161 was told to do. And then recently when I have 0:02:48.321 --> 0:02:50.121 my CV redone a couple of years ago. 0:02:50.641 --> 0:02:52.241 No, no, no, not, you only. 0:02:52.041 --> 0:02:54.121 Need the last three or four years or the last 0:02:54.121 --> 0:02:56.401 three or four significant roles. Is that true? 0:02:56.521 --> 0:02:58.801 Less is more? Yeah, it really is the new way 0:02:58.841 --> 0:03:00.281 about it. Because you imagine they're going to get a 0:03:00.321 --> 0:03:02.721 pile of CVS coming through. They're going to glance at 0:03:02.761 --> 0:03:04.681 it now. First off, they want to see and I 0:03:04.801 --> 0:03:07.961 tell the key to this is what you've achieved, not 0:03:08.041 --> 0:03:10.041 what you want to do, what you reckon you can do, 0:03:10.441 --> 0:03:13.681 it's what you've achieved. So that's factual information employers don't 0:03:13.681 --> 0:03:16.921 get normally, and if you've achieved something, they will really 0:03:16.961 --> 0:03:19.721 want to drill in on that and actually say, well, 0:03:19.761 --> 0:03:21.961 you know did you do that whole project yourself? Was it? 0:03:22.001 --> 0:03:25.121 Ba da da da da da? And that'll impress them immensely. 0:03:25.201 --> 0:03:27.161 So if anything they've got to walk away with is 0:03:27.201 --> 0:03:29.681 that you've been able to achieve some stuff in your career, 0:03:30.041 --> 0:03:30.721 you know, Max. 0:03:30.601 --> 0:03:33.001 I can guarantee you. I can almost I won't put 0:03:33.001 --> 0:03:34.641 a stat on it, but I can guarantee you A 0:03:34.761 --> 0:03:37.201 vast proportion of people listening will be thinking, I'd never 0:03:37.241 --> 0:03:40.121 hear back. I've sent off the most amazing application. I 0:03:40.161 --> 0:03:44.921 wrote this amazing cover letter. I would be surprised how 0:03:44.921 --> 0:03:47.841 many people actually go to the CV once they've read 0:03:47.881 --> 0:03:50.281 the cover letter, which isn't specific to the job they've 0:03:50.281 --> 0:03:53.161 applied for. By putting the time in to your point, 0:03:53.201 --> 0:03:55.601 doing some research on the business, that's key, isn't it. 0:03:55.601 --> 0:03:57.641 It is key, But you've got to spend some time 0:03:57.681 --> 0:04:00.161 for it. And it's nothing more disappointing when you get 0:04:00.521 --> 0:04:03.481 zero reply. You know, back in the good old days, 0:04:03.721 --> 0:04:07.081 I'm probably older than you. You and in those good 0:04:07.121 --> 0:04:09.201 old days, you always got to reply, even it was 0:04:09.241 --> 0:04:12.081 a bit just the same as everyone else got. But 0:04:12.081 --> 0:04:15.681 at least you've got the respect of somebody talking to it. Today, 0:04:16.121 --> 0:04:19.761 the silence is used as a weapon as well. Yes, 0:04:19.921 --> 0:04:21.801 and also people haven't got time to have talked to 0:04:21.801 --> 0:04:23.961 you that it's really disappointing of an organization. 0:04:24.721 --> 0:04:26.801 Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You might have had 0:04:27.361 --> 0:04:29.361 like knock back after knock back, you may have had 0:04:29.441 --> 0:04:31.961 some success after making some changes, or you may just 0:04:32.001 --> 0:04:35.441 want some advice about your CV, your approach to the 0:04:35.521 --> 0:04:38.881 job applications. I do here quite frequently and talk about calls. Max. 0:04:38.921 --> 0:04:41.841 You know, I've applied for literally thirty or forty roles 0:04:42.001 --> 0:04:44.481 and not heard back on one of them. I'm thinking, 0:04:44.801 --> 0:04:47.601 what are you doing wrong? So, if you're an employer, 0:04:47.881 --> 0:04:50.081 are you generally looking at the cover letter before the 0:04:50.121 --> 0:04:52.401 CV or are you presuming the cover let will be 0:04:52.881 --> 0:04:55.641 you know, dear, so and so I'm amazing and these 0:04:55.761 --> 0:04:58.081 these are the key things I'm amazing at. Which is 0:04:58.081 --> 0:04:58.961 the most important. 0:04:59.321 --> 0:05:02.521 Yeah, and exactly it's you telling people how incredible you 0:05:02.561 --> 0:05:04.761 are is not going to interest them at all. They 0:05:04.801 --> 0:05:07.401 get from everybody. What you really do need to do 0:05:07.481 --> 0:05:10.161 is what your achievements are. That's that you've really got 0:05:10.201 --> 0:05:12.361 to focus on that. So what I've done, I've worked 0:05:12.401 --> 0:05:16.201 in five years in this organization, three years on that 0:05:16.201 --> 0:05:18.761 that means something as well. And then I was able 0:05:18.801 --> 0:05:21.761 to achieve this status, or perhaps I managed these amount 0:05:21.801 --> 0:05:26.201 of people successfully, I got promoted in that way, even 0:05:26.241 --> 0:05:28.721 to a higher ranking, whatever it was after those things. 0:05:28.881 --> 0:05:32.121 If you've done those achievements, man, that's got something to 0:05:32.161 --> 0:05:35.281 be pleasant about. Look, the next question I think you're 0:05:35.281 --> 0:05:37.201 going to ask me later on is about pay rises, 0:05:37.281 --> 0:05:40.121 and it goes with the same. You really need to 0:05:40.161 --> 0:05:43.281 show your achievements. And because your boss people will be 0:05:43.321 --> 0:05:45.521 looking or she'll be looking at you know what is 0:05:45.561 --> 0:05:47.921 it that this person's achieved for me? What is it 0:05:47.961 --> 0:05:50.321 they need? And of course again it comes back to 0:05:50.681 --> 0:05:52.161 you know what you've been successful? 0:05:52.441 --> 0:05:54.121 Okay, I reckon. That's a good thing to go on 0:05:54.161 --> 0:05:55.721 with too. If you want to know about how to 0:05:55.761 --> 0:05:58.561 wordsmith that approach to your boss, oh, eight hundred eighty 0:05:58.681 --> 0:06:01.121 ten eighty, because I'll tell you what the easy answer. 0:06:01.121 --> 0:06:02.521 It doesn't matter what you tell me, Max. If you 0:06:02.521 --> 0:06:05.041 come to me and say you need a pay rise, Nope, 0:06:05.121 --> 0:06:07.321 I need no, but I'm actually I've got on mortgage. 0:06:07.321 --> 0:06:10.601 That's no. So Noah is an easy answer. But actually 0:06:10.681 --> 0:06:13.801 explaining to your employer the value that you're adding to 0:06:13.841 --> 0:06:15.721 a business. What you want to do in the future, 0:06:16.041 --> 0:06:18.081 asking them how to get to where you want to be. 0:06:18.361 --> 0:06:20.801 They might go, gee, that's a different approach. Yeah, pretty 0:06:20.801 --> 0:06:22.841 hard to say no to Roman. He's worth millions, And 0:06:22.881 --> 0:06:25.361 that's exactly a nice approach. And what can I do 0:06:25.441 --> 0:06:28.601 to get your satisfaction with me? I can actually get 0:06:28.641 --> 0:06:31.481 an increase. That is a really good approach. Yeah, all right, 0:06:31.761 --> 0:06:34.401 so let's just make Let's just presume that someone my 0:06:34.561 --> 0:06:37.201 age in their mid to late fifties and I haven't 0:06:37.241 --> 0:06:39.161 had to apply for a job for a very long time. 0:06:39.321 --> 0:06:41.921 I'll drag out my old CV. It looks pretty good. 0:06:42.121 --> 0:06:45.881 It's in a font that's unrecognizable, something that resembles something 0:06:45.921 --> 0:06:48.641 from the eighteen twenties. What do I need to do 0:06:48.681 --> 0:06:50.761 to that CV? Am I best to work on that 0:06:50.841 --> 0:06:53.201 myself or give it to someone like you and get 0:06:53.201 --> 0:06:53.761 that advice? 0:06:54.121 --> 0:06:57.081 Well, I can tell you now that AI is really 0:06:57.121 --> 0:07:01.081 fantastic with CBS, and what you do is summarize what 0:07:01.161 --> 0:07:04.401 you've been, what you've been successful at, what you've done, 0:07:04.481 --> 0:07:07.001 and give it to AI and it'll actually do something. 0:07:07.041 --> 0:07:09.441 But getting to your real question, not everyone's that got 0:07:09.441 --> 0:07:12.561 access to AI, So you really are better off with 0:07:12.601 --> 0:07:15.161 an expert to guide you a little bit, but again 0:07:15.281 --> 0:07:18.241 less is more so one page, the front page is 0:07:18.321 --> 0:07:21.761 really important. You know, your photograph will attract their attention, 0:07:22.121 --> 0:07:26.601 but also if what your achievements have been and how long, 0:07:26.721 --> 0:07:29.761 how experienced you are, those sort of factors. But look, 0:07:29.841 --> 0:07:33.801 when you read an advert or somebody who's looking for 0:07:33.841 --> 0:07:37.561 some staff, look for what they want and underline it. 0:07:37.601 --> 0:07:40.881 There's certain words that really are key for you. Underline 0:07:40.881 --> 0:07:43.641 that one and that word and then focus on those points. 0:07:43.681 --> 0:07:45.481 And that's what the employee is looking for, and that's 0:07:45.481 --> 0:07:47.441 what you should focus on, and that's where you should 0:07:47.441 --> 0:07:48.161 make them pleased. 0:07:48.521 --> 0:07:50.521 Can I just pull you up on the photo thing, 0:07:50.801 --> 0:07:52.801 because I think a lot of people my age and 0:07:52.841 --> 0:07:55.281 older they presume that if you put a photo or 0:07:55.321 --> 0:07:57.161 a date of birth, which apparently you don't put on 0:07:57.241 --> 0:08:01.081 cvs anymore. Do people generally work out how old you 0:08:01.121 --> 0:08:03.401 are based on your work history and when you got 0:08:03.441 --> 0:08:06.321 your degree or whatever. And how important is that photo 0:08:06.441 --> 0:08:08.761 if it shows that you like, there's a lot of 0:08:08.761 --> 0:08:11.441 benefits to being older, right, But for some people it's say, 0:08:11.521 --> 0:08:13.321 oh no, they'll be set in their ways. We don't 0:08:13.361 --> 0:08:13.801 want them. 0:08:14.161 --> 0:08:16.921 You got it, But I recall back in my time, 0:08:16.961 --> 0:08:19.561 when I was turning forty forty five, it was getting 0:08:19.641 --> 0:08:22.641 very very old, and you know, getting into my age 0:08:22.681 --> 0:08:27.681 now you're sort of unemployable. It's that trend is changing though, Romance. 0:08:28.001 --> 0:08:30.841 I believe that employers are now waking up to the 0:08:30.841 --> 0:08:33.801 fact that they want somebody were skilled and reliable. They 0:08:33.841 --> 0:08:37.161 can rely on older people, but you're quite right, the 0:08:37.241 --> 0:08:41.201 employer will be looking for age and experience, and if 0:08:41.241 --> 0:08:43.601 you're getting too old or you're too young, they might 0:08:43.721 --> 0:08:46.161 go off you. I mean, young people have got a 0:08:46.201 --> 0:08:50.201 bad reputation for not being reliable, and older people can 0:08:50.281 --> 0:08:52.721 be they get tired too quickly or want to do 0:08:52.801 --> 0:08:55.401 less hours. Those sort of things are really important, so 0:08:55.521 --> 0:08:58.481 are you. You know, if you can prove you're a 0:08:58.561 --> 0:09:00.441 really good attitude and your boss has liked you in 0:09:00.481 --> 0:09:03.721 your previous life, well that really can come through quite 0:09:03.761 --> 0:09:04.961 well too. But this is. 0:09:05.521 --> 0:09:08.121 Exactly this pros and cons. A twenty year old can 0:09:08.161 --> 0:09:10.321 be molded to what you want them to be. For example, 0:09:10.361 --> 0:09:12.801 I'm just choosing an extreme mate, and eighty five year 0:09:12.801 --> 0:09:15.321 old isn't going to be snorting twelve kilos of cocaine 0:09:15.361 --> 0:09:18.521 and drinking Jack Daniels till two am calling in sick? 0:09:18.561 --> 0:09:20.241 Are they so? Pros and cons? 0:09:20.401 --> 0:09:21.201 Pros and cons? 0:09:21.401 --> 0:09:22.801 Can you be too qualified? 0:09:23.281 --> 0:09:23.561 Yes? 0:09:23.721 --> 0:09:26.641 Why do people say that, I'm sorry, John Lovely CV, 0:09:26.761 --> 0:09:28.881 but you're too qualified? What does that mean? 0:09:30.041 --> 0:09:32.441 Well, it means that you're going to be dissatisfied because 0:09:32.481 --> 0:09:34.841 you're not going to get paid as you should, as 0:09:34.881 --> 0:09:37.081 you have been paid in the past, and you're going 0:09:37.121 --> 0:09:39.121 to go to work thinking well, this is just too easy. 0:09:39.161 --> 0:09:41.201 Am I going to apply myself? Probably not, I'll just 0:09:41.441 --> 0:09:45.441 do what's necessary and go through the motions. But probably 0:09:45.721 --> 0:09:49.081 Am I inspiring to do more or get further in 0:09:49.121 --> 0:09:51.761 my life? Probably know I've already achieved that, so I'm 0:09:52.081 --> 0:09:55.081 not interested. Those sort of things are really important. Yeah, 0:09:55.201 --> 0:09:57.961 and yeah, you can be overqualified. A lot of people 0:09:58.041 --> 0:10:00.401 come at new immigrants come to this country with some 0:10:00.561 --> 0:10:04.681 amazing qualifications and it doesn't spin the wheels. Quite often, 0:10:05.161 --> 0:10:06.321 that's where they disappointed. 0:10:06.881 --> 0:10:10.361 Do you think I think this is I think the 0:10:10.401 --> 0:10:13.001 answer is yes. Do you think some employers are threatened 0:10:13.081 --> 0:10:15.281 by people who are very qualified? They don't want to 0:10:15.281 --> 0:10:17.281 be shown up where it should be like, oh my lord, 0:10:17.321 --> 0:10:19.321 look at that person, what they could add to my business? 0:10:19.441 --> 0:10:24.161 Roman These are excellent questions I do keep me on. 0:10:25.521 --> 0:10:27.601 You know, I think there is some truth in that 0:10:27.601 --> 0:10:31.001 they can be intimidated with them. People like to feel 0:10:31.001 --> 0:10:33.041 that they are in charge and going to be respected. 0:10:33.361 --> 0:10:36.041 But if somebody feels that they're more superior than them, 0:10:36.161 --> 0:10:39.601 it does sort of it's not as inviting as to 0:10:39.921 --> 0:10:43.921 somebody who's going to respect them and do as they told. So, yeah, 0:10:43.961 --> 0:10:46.961 it can be that factor. And the other factor is 0:10:47.361 --> 0:10:52.241 that that you're going to become less enthusiastic about your role. 0:10:52.401 --> 0:10:54.321 They want someone in there is going to be innovative, 0:10:54.561 --> 0:10:57.281 someone who can actually think for themselves, somebody who can 0:10:57.321 --> 0:10:59.841 actually get up and go and make the job happen 0:11:00.081 --> 0:11:03.001 and perhaps even consider, you know, things that will help 0:11:03.041 --> 0:11:05.561 the employer. That's what they want to see is someone 0:11:05.561 --> 0:11:08.081 who wants to grow my business for me. That would 0:11:08.081 --> 0:11:08.801 be ideal. 0:11:09.121 --> 0:11:11.401 Yeah, it makes it makes a lot of sense. Everything 0:11:11.441 --> 0:11:13.001 makes a lot of sense. But I think we are 0:11:13.081 --> 0:11:15.321 all stuck in our ways and sometimes you need someone 0:11:15.401 --> 0:11:19.241 like Max. You need someone who's expert in human resources 0:11:19.241 --> 0:11:21.481 who see cvs all the time to actually tell you 0:11:21.761 --> 0:11:24.361 that look nice attempt, but you really need to tweak 0:11:24.401 --> 0:11:27.161 that CV. Get some advice by calling now on eight 0:11:27.281 --> 0:11:30.121 hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine to two on 0:11:30.281 --> 0:11:33.041 the text. I was just thinking in a business where 0:11:33.081 --> 0:11:37.001 they're going to logically get hundreds of applications, pick your business, 0:11:37.001 --> 0:11:40.201 it doesn't matter. Let's say it's pack and Save in Johnsonville, Okay, 0:11:40.241 --> 0:11:42.521 So they're going to get four hundred applications if they 0:11:42.601 --> 0:11:46.401 all pretty much look the same, what will stand out? 0:11:46.481 --> 0:11:49.161 Would for example, me attaching a helium balloon to a 0:11:49.161 --> 0:11:53.041 CV having a stripper bouncing out of a cake. No, 0:11:53.121 --> 0:11:56.001 seriously does that kind of thing, that novelty stuff? Does 0:11:56.041 --> 0:11:56.481 it work? 0:11:56.921 --> 0:11:59.801 No? Oh well, I mean those two things wouldn't work 0:11:59.841 --> 0:12:02.321 for me. Came out like I say, this guy's a clown. 0:12:02.681 --> 0:12:04.321 I don't want him back in there. He's going to 0:12:04.401 --> 0:12:09.001 make fun. But certainly if you can, I mean, different 0:12:09.041 --> 0:12:12.441 size paper sometimes can do it. What happened years ago 0:12:12.561 --> 0:12:14.521 I was in a role which I had a PA 0:12:15.121 --> 0:12:17.361 and she put them all together because everything was a 0:12:17.441 --> 0:12:19.241 four in those days. So there was a huge pile 0:12:19.281 --> 0:12:21.801 on my desk and I just went I got to 0:12:21.841 --> 0:12:24.081 wait all the way through this. But she had gone 0:12:24.081 --> 0:12:27.161 through it and actually got five really good candidates and 0:12:27.201 --> 0:12:28.641 put him on the top. And she said I've just 0:12:28.641 --> 0:12:30.961 gone through those. Those are the attributes I can see, 0:12:31.041 --> 0:12:33.241 and she'd done a little brief. I was so impressed 0:12:33.561 --> 0:12:35.561 that she did that. But that's how they're going to 0:12:35.601 --> 0:12:38.001 have to go through them rather quickly and find out 0:12:38.721 --> 0:12:43.121 which individual really really suits their needs and that employer 0:12:43.281 --> 0:12:45.481 should have it in his ad. But he'll be saying, 0:12:45.521 --> 0:12:48.161 this is the criteria that I'm really searching for. I 0:12:48.201 --> 0:12:51.361 want that innovative, clear thinking person, somebody who's got a 0:12:51.401 --> 0:12:54.321 good attitude, who can do the work and even make 0:12:54.801 --> 0:12:57.441 be enthusiastic about my business as well. Even a bit 0:12:57.481 --> 0:13:02.881 of entrepreneurial trend is quite healthy in a business, particularly 0:13:02.961 --> 0:13:05.161 for an employer if they're looking for business opportunity of 0:13:05.201 --> 0:13:07.281 these themselves, that can be quite healthy. 0:13:07.681 --> 0:13:10.561 Good stuff. Max Whitehead here for Smart Money on eight 0:13:10.641 --> 0:13:13.361 hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's the weekend collective. I'm 0:13:13.441 --> 0:13:15.841 really keen to get some callers asking you some more 0:13:15.881 --> 0:13:17.761 questions because I'm thinking of all sorts of questions that 0:13:17.801 --> 0:13:23.521 I would benefit from. Oh now, so let's look at 0:13:23.521 --> 0:13:25.961 that the whole point that I never hear back and 0:13:26.001 --> 0:13:28.961 I literally get those calls. I've written thirty or forty 0:13:29.001 --> 0:13:31.681 different applications, I don't hear back from anyone at all. 0:13:32.121 --> 0:13:33.641 How are you supposed to know how to make the 0:13:33.721 --> 0:13:35.481 right changes if no one's telling you what's wrong with 0:13:35.521 --> 0:13:38.201 your CV and people just keep sending the same things. 0:13:38.321 --> 0:13:41.041 I know that employer probably doesn't care. But back in 0:13:41.041 --> 0:13:42.401 the day, we used to care. We used to be 0:13:42.441 --> 0:13:44.761 more courteous with job applications, didn't we. 0:13:45.081 --> 0:13:47.721 And that's that's where we talked about before you know 0:13:47.761 --> 0:13:50.801 who best you refer to, and you'd probably need an 0:13:50.801 --> 0:13:53.561 expert advice, or go and talk to colleagues, friends, people 0:13:53.961 --> 0:13:55.321 like this and say, can you have a look at 0:13:55.321 --> 0:13:57.561 my CV? What's your thoughts on this? Now you're going 0:13:57.601 --> 0:14:01.601 to get a variation of views and point of views, 0:14:01.641 --> 0:14:03.881 And of course generation makes a big difference as well. 0:14:03.961 --> 0:14:06.321 Sometimes the older people are going, oh, no, no, you 0:14:06.361 --> 0:14:09.281 need to fill it up with all your parson. No, 0:14:09.441 --> 0:14:12.081 don't do that. Keep it brief to the point and 0:14:12.121 --> 0:14:15.681 be succinct. But also you've got to design it particularly 0:14:15.681 --> 0:14:18.121 for the job. The CV shouldn't be generic for every 0:14:18.201 --> 0:14:20.441 job you apply for, just to do it for that 0:14:20.481 --> 0:14:21.521 one particular job. 0:14:21.641 --> 0:14:23.441 Yeah, I agree. If I was getting an application that 0:14:23.441 --> 0:14:26.881 looks very generic, Dear employer or to whom it concerns. 0:14:27.121 --> 0:14:28.921 I kind of like the business that you're If there's 0:14:28.961 --> 0:14:31.001 nothing in there that tells me they've done any research, 0:14:31.281 --> 0:14:34.081 that would be next? Please? What about references? Do I 0:14:34.161 --> 0:14:37.361 put them down for further information contact these people? Or 0:14:37.361 --> 0:14:39.601 do I actually put the good old letter written by 0:14:39.641 --> 0:14:40.641 the previous employer? 0:14:40.881 --> 0:14:44.521 Well, references, I would say, really of yesteryear. And they're 0:14:44.561 --> 0:14:46.641 not even important anymore because a lot of people will 0:14:46.681 --> 0:14:49.041 tell you what you want to hear rather than the 0:14:49.081 --> 0:14:53.161 reck real facts. But a phone number and a referral 0:14:53.201 --> 0:14:55.681 to can you ring Roman and ask him what Max 0:14:55.761 --> 0:14:58.801 is like? That can be it's big, big time. But 0:14:58.921 --> 0:15:02.681 also the individual who be assessing you will be saying, 0:15:02.721 --> 0:15:04.361 is there anyone else in the business I can talk to? 0:15:04.401 --> 0:15:07.081 He wants that individual, so maybe there's someone else in 0:15:07.121 --> 0:15:10.121 there because I need to get a really good, unbiased 0:15:10.121 --> 0:15:13.041 perspective of this guy. Yeah, people I know that employ people. 0:15:13.121 --> 0:15:15.361 One of the key questions they ask is is there 0:15:15.401 --> 0:15:18.201 any reason why you wouldn't employ this person again? And 0:15:18.201 --> 0:15:22.641 if the phone goes quiet, it's like next eight hundred 0:15:22.681 --> 0:15:25.961 eighty ten eighteen numbers I can tell and nine nine 0:15:26.041 --> 0:15:30.521 two on the text get a there, Grant, Hey, Grant, Yeah, Hey. 0:15:30.361 --> 0:15:35.681 Couple couple of things covering letter, little subtleties like including 0:15:36.401 --> 0:15:39.321 the logo of the company that you're applying for. Whether 0:15:39.361 --> 0:15:41.041 that's just a complete waste of time or that adds 0:15:41.081 --> 0:15:43.761 the point of difference the covering letter as well, I 0:15:43.761 --> 0:15:45.601 think you've hit them out on the head, whereas yeah, 0:15:45.641 --> 0:15:47.761 you're talking to you make a bit of effort to 0:15:47.761 --> 0:15:50.121 find out about the company, and you're researching the company 0:15:50.201 --> 0:15:52.481 saying what they actually want. Obviously you've got to include 0:15:52.481 --> 0:15:55.881 that as far as yours, what you've achieved, so that 0:15:55.961 --> 0:15:58.961 the covering letter, the way I see it is it's 0:15:59.081 --> 0:16:01.881 like your door. It's your doorway. It's like the you know, 0:16:02.121 --> 0:16:04.481 the bit that gets you interested or it gets the 0:16:04.521 --> 0:16:06.801 interest of that bothered and look at your cvs. So 0:16:06.841 --> 0:16:08.641 that was the first thing. That the second thing for 0:16:08.721 --> 0:16:10.721 the CV, I wanted to ask whether you think it's 0:16:10.721 --> 0:16:13.721 worth having hyperlinks in the CV. So you have, you know, 0:16:13.801 --> 0:16:15.801 one of your achievements and then you have a hyperlink 0:16:16.201 --> 0:16:18.641 through too, so they can actually click on that and see, 0:16:18.641 --> 0:16:21.321 oh okay, cool, that's a link to what so and 0:16:21.361 --> 0:16:23.561 so has said that they've achieved. 0:16:24.121 --> 0:16:27.161 Gone, gone, hyperse of the. 0:16:27.161 --> 0:16:31.041 Use of LinkedIn and importance of LinkedIn in today's world. 0:16:31.161 --> 0:16:34.361 So I think that if you're looking at particular industry, 0:16:34.561 --> 0:16:36.761 you're you're making an effort to follow all the right people, 0:16:36.761 --> 0:16:40.441 all the right companies, and then rather than asking, like 0:16:40.521 --> 0:16:42.481 it's like a blind date, so you're not actually asking 0:16:42.481 --> 0:16:45.001 to connect, but you actually start following them. And then 0:16:45.081 --> 0:16:47.401 you start following the company and their posts, and you're 0:16:47.481 --> 0:16:51.561 you're liking or potentially commenting on their content hopefully so 0:16:51.601 --> 0:16:53.721 that then when it all links up and you've applied 0:16:53.721 --> 0:16:57.281 for something, potentially they see that, oh there's a name 0:16:57.321 --> 0:16:59.921 that's familiar. Names familiarly because oh god, they've been following 0:17:00.001 --> 0:17:03.361 us on LinkedIn, and they're following the CEO and whoever 0:17:03.441 --> 0:17:05.561 else and the company and so those three things. 0:17:06.361 --> 0:17:09.201 So grant I would say, LinkedIn, let's start from the 0:17:09.361 --> 0:17:13.001 last one. First. LinkedIn is a really good idea and 0:17:13.201 --> 0:17:16.881 amazing employers look at that all the time, and because 0:17:16.881 --> 0:17:19.441 they get so much information off that, particularly in regards 0:17:19.481 --> 0:17:24.081 to your past and what you've achieved. So tidy that up. Also, 0:17:24.161 --> 0:17:28.201 tidy up your social media. Don't have any stupid stuff 0:17:28.201 --> 0:17:29.881 on that because it really is not going to go 0:17:29.921 --> 0:17:32.521 down well for you. Now, in terms of hyperlinks, I 0:17:32.561 --> 0:17:34.761 think that's a brilliant idea. I use them all the 0:17:34.761 --> 0:17:36.601 time when I give advice, I might refer to a 0:17:36.601 --> 0:17:39.561 piece of legislation. I'll put a hyperlink into that law 0:17:39.801 --> 0:17:42.721 and people can look for themselves. I think it just 0:17:42.801 --> 0:17:45.801 shows that you've innovated. You've also got ability, and you've 0:17:45.801 --> 0:17:48.361 done your research and you've got it right there. So 0:17:48.601 --> 0:17:51.481 I think a hyperlink is a great idea. Now, putting 0:17:51.521 --> 0:17:55.081 the company's logo on your letter, I'm not sure. It's 0:17:55.121 --> 0:17:58.321 a little bit creepy. It's a bit almost invasive. I 0:17:58.361 --> 0:18:02.721 think it's their intellectual property. I would leave it alone, 0:18:02.761 --> 0:18:05.961 I think, but you demonstrate and I think, Grant, you're 0:18:05.961 --> 0:18:09.041 making this point that you know something about their business 0:18:09.081 --> 0:18:11.841 and you've done your research. But do it subtly and 0:18:11.881 --> 0:18:14.521 do it just briefly, because the real thing about it 0:18:14.561 --> 0:18:17.281 is you've got to show that you've got something to offer. 0:18:17.521 --> 0:18:20.401 And if you can show innovation, I think that's one 0:18:20.401 --> 0:18:23.121 of the key words for actually employing people. They can 0:18:23.161 --> 0:18:25.641 take it a step further. They can see some opportunities 0:18:25.681 --> 0:18:27.001 when it comes about. 0:18:26.961 --> 0:18:29.401 Yeah, good stuff, Grint, thank you. Look, I want to 0:18:29.401 --> 0:18:31.201 be a bit cynical about that. Look, how do you 0:18:31.241 --> 0:18:33.881 show innovation if you're going for a job and I 0:18:33.881 --> 0:18:35.761 don't want to pack a job because someone will say 0:18:35.761 --> 0:18:37.361 that it'd be right you're having a crack at me 0:18:37.441 --> 0:18:39.441 in my job. But I'm just going to pick a job. 0:18:39.521 --> 0:18:42.081 So I'm applying for a job as a courier driver. 0:18:42.921 --> 0:18:45.201 How do I show innovation? How do I show anything 0:18:45.241 --> 0:18:47.681 different other than I've got a clean license and I've 0:18:47.721 --> 0:18:50.521 got no road rage in my history. 0:18:51.081 --> 0:18:53.601 Well, obviously speed and time is a big one for 0:18:53.961 --> 0:18:55.681 those people. They really want to know you can get 0:18:55.721 --> 0:18:57.521 the work done and you're available, and you can go 0:18:57.601 --> 0:19:00.481 back to the depot and perhaps pick up someone else's 0:19:00.561 --> 0:19:02.081 run or the end of their run where there's some 0:19:02.521 --> 0:19:05.321 late documental parcels come in. So I think if you 0:19:05.361 --> 0:19:08.681 can say, look, I've got an achievement here. I know 0:19:08.761 --> 0:19:11.881 the shortcuts around around this town. I can actually get 0:19:11.881 --> 0:19:15.281 to locations a lot quicker than most people. I am 0:19:15.361 --> 0:19:18.441 also quite fit. I will probably run up the driveway 0:19:18.481 --> 0:19:21.081 if necessary, and delivered right to the front porch or 0:19:21.121 --> 0:19:23.801 whatever it might be, but also taking particular care that 0:19:23.841 --> 0:19:26.281 it's secure and where I leave the parcel or whatever 0:19:26.281 --> 0:19:28.761 it might be. Now, those sort of things will show 0:19:28.801 --> 0:19:31.321 a little bit of innovation, but the speed and that's 0:19:31.721 --> 0:19:33.401 speeds money to the employer. 0:19:33.521 --> 0:19:35.921 Yeah, exactly. And just going back to LinkedIn when I 0:19:36.001 --> 0:19:38.921 was having my CV reworked a couple of years ago, 0:19:39.481 --> 0:19:42.641 instead of just having dub dub dub LinkedIn and then 0:19:42.641 --> 0:19:44.681 a whole lot of numbers, you can change that to 0:19:44.801 --> 0:19:47.801 your name. So yeah, so that's quite important on your CV. 0:19:47.921 --> 0:19:50.841 So that LinkedIn profile is your name in the profile? 0:19:51.481 --> 0:19:53.841 Yeah, I mean they can do a search on I've 0:19:53.881 --> 0:19:54.841 never done your name, but. 0:19:56.641 --> 0:19:59.081 It'll be this amazing. All sorts of things pop up. 0:19:59.121 --> 0:20:02.121 Max, You've got balloons, heavy and boom balloons and things. 0:20:02.001 --> 0:20:04.681 Strippers out of cakes. Oh, you've be intrigued for us, 0:20:04.761 --> 0:20:06.321 No good. This is a great place to get the 0:20:06.321 --> 0:20:08.521 advice that you need with Max Whitehead here on the 0:20:08.561 --> 0:20:11.961 Smart Money Show of the Weekend Collective Max Whitehead. He's 0:20:12.001 --> 0:20:15.201 an employment relations expert, a thoroughly lovely guy, and he's 0:20:15.241 --> 0:20:17.361 been involved with people and the work that they do 0:20:17.441 --> 0:20:19.441 for years and years and years on both sides of 0:20:19.441 --> 0:20:21.961 the fence. So get stuck in eight hundred eighty ten 0:20:22.041 --> 0:20:24.441 eighty and nine two nine to two to text twenty 0:20:24.441 --> 0:20:27.241 seven past five, half past five. Great to have your 0:20:27.321 --> 0:20:30.121 company here. On the Smart Money Out of the Weekend collective, 0:20:30.121 --> 0:20:32.841 Max Whitehead is in the studio with me. Join us 0:20:33.081 --> 0:20:35.681 eight hundred eighty ten eighty will connect you or z 0:20:35.881 --> 0:20:38.561 b ZB on the text let's talk about tenure in 0:20:38.641 --> 0:20:40.681 a job. You know, back in the day you left college, 0:20:40.921 --> 0:20:42.881 you went to the post office and you stay there 0:20:43.041 --> 0:20:46.161 till you were sixty sixty five. So how long is 0:20:46.201 --> 0:20:48.241 too long? If you're looking at a CV and someone 0:20:48.761 --> 0:20:51.721 has that kind of tenure, is that boring or is 0:20:51.721 --> 0:20:53.601 that like, oh, they're great because they're dependable. 0:20:54.281 --> 0:20:56.241 Well, you know, you're right about the old days. If 0:20:56.281 --> 0:20:58.761 you'd been there more than ten years, it's about normal, 0:20:58.961 --> 0:21:02.641 and then if you did fifteen, you'd get a probably overreward. 0:21:03.321 --> 0:21:06.881 But you'll notice all those things disappeared now. People are 0:21:06.921 --> 0:21:09.441 not interested now. If you're in a job more than 0:21:09.561 --> 0:21:13.641 three years, then you're probably overstaying. And also if you 0:21:13.721 --> 0:21:15.561 haven't had an increase in that period of time or 0:21:15.681 --> 0:21:20.121 very very few less than say the inflation rate, you 0:21:20.241 --> 0:21:23.041 really should have a review of where you're going. Now. 0:21:23.121 --> 0:21:26.481 Keep an eye on obviously, our look at our current marketplace, 0:21:26.561 --> 0:21:29.681 and inflation's big time everywhere. But you need to keep 0:21:29.721 --> 0:21:33.321 those factors into your consideration. But three years today, I 0:21:33.321 --> 0:21:35.521 think it's time to have a review and do you 0:21:35.601 --> 0:21:38.441 need to stay? Is there opportunities within this business? Or 0:21:38.481 --> 0:21:41.041 am I stayed? If you want to be stayed well 0:21:41.081 --> 0:21:43.521 and your and your boss is happy with you, well 0:21:43.561 --> 0:21:46.521 then stay there. I mean that's fine. But if you're 0:21:47.441 --> 0:21:50.081 ambitious and want to get ahead, move on. If nothing's 0:21:50.081 --> 0:21:52.761 happened in three years, go and find something else and 0:21:53.601 --> 0:21:56.041 try and pump yourself up another notch by going for 0:21:56.121 --> 0:21:57.041 that next job up. 0:21:57.841 --> 0:21:59.521 See, there's a couple of things there isn't there. If 0:21:59.561 --> 0:22:02.121 you're in an industry where you can't actually climb a ladder, 0:22:02.121 --> 0:22:03.841 you can't go any high. You come in at this 0:22:03.961 --> 0:22:07.121 level and that's where you stay. That's not necessarily boring, 0:22:07.161 --> 0:22:09.481 I guess. Or does it show that you're not driven 0:22:09.601 --> 0:22:12.161 enough to want to change, because I would look at 0:22:12.161 --> 0:22:14.761 a CV that shows constant change and I'd be going, blimey, 0:22:14.801 --> 0:22:17.241 what's this person up to? They count? Sit still? 0:22:17.521 --> 0:22:20.841 Well? New Zealand's a really unique place too. Ninety seven 0:22:20.921 --> 0:22:23.841 percent of all businesses here are small businesses, so that's 0:22:23.961 --> 0:22:27.801 less than twenty staff, and most businesses are even less 0:22:27.841 --> 0:22:29.921 than that. So if you're in a small business, you 0:22:29.961 --> 0:22:32.361 can't climb too far and the boss isn't going to 0:22:32.361 --> 0:22:35.481 go anywhere unless he's getting near retirement, and you're thinking 0:22:35.521 --> 0:22:39.001 about buying the business offer or proposing that sort of thing. 0:22:39.881 --> 0:22:42.161 Those are factors for consideration as well if you've got 0:22:42.161 --> 0:22:44.401 big ambitions. But a lot of people are looking for 0:22:44.481 --> 0:22:48.361 job security these days. It's more comfortable than being ambitious. 0:22:48.441 --> 0:22:50.321 And just the fact that I've got bread and butter 0:22:50.361 --> 0:22:52.961 coming on the table, can feed the family is enough 0:22:53.001 --> 0:22:56.281 for them. And look, they don't mind sitting in a 0:22:56.361 --> 0:22:58.321 job where they're not going to go up the tree anymore, 0:22:58.361 --> 0:23:00.441 belong and they can actually go to work, go home 0:23:00.721 --> 0:23:04.881 forget about work, and then enjoy the family. The people 0:23:05.121 --> 0:23:06.881 two different types of people in the world. And I 0:23:06.961 --> 0:23:11.401 suspect you Roman are ambitious and a bit like myself. 0:23:11.441 --> 0:23:13.681 I was all the way through. I'm in a hurry 0:23:13.721 --> 0:23:16.361 to get anywhere. Couldn't believe it. I've been there a 0:23:16.361 --> 0:23:18.881 month and I hadn't that promotion. Now that's the young 0:23:18.921 --> 0:23:21.881 people today. They actually think the same. But you've got 0:23:21.921 --> 0:23:24.921 to do You've got to do your apprenticeship. You really do. 0:23:25.201 --> 0:23:27.641 Yeah, I'm probably quite annoying for people that know me 0:23:27.721 --> 0:23:30.161 quite well, because I do tend to if I look 0:23:30.161 --> 0:23:32.001 at something, how do I get to that point? What 0:23:32.041 --> 0:23:33.841 do I need to do to get there? And you've 0:23:33.841 --> 0:23:36.281 got to You've got to know how to work through 0:23:36.281 --> 0:23:39.721 a process in order to get better or to achieve promotion. 0:23:40.121 --> 0:23:41.561 So knowing that pathway. 0:23:41.241 --> 0:23:43.241 In zdmme is going to have a new CEO soon 0:23:43.441 --> 0:23:44.601 Roman Travers. 0:23:45.561 --> 0:23:46.641 Well, that's what I've heard. 0:23:47.961 --> 0:23:48.921 Bed self promotion. 0:23:49.121 --> 0:23:52.041 So understanding that pathway that's quite important. So those people 0:23:52.081 --> 0:23:54.321 that are getting constant knockbacks, the people are saying I'm 0:23:54.321 --> 0:23:56.441 never getting a reply or I'm getting a reply and 0:23:56.481 --> 0:24:00.121 it's always no. But perhaps you haven't shown how driven 0:24:00.601 --> 0:24:03.721 what you've achieved in order to better yourself. Telling people 0:24:03.721 --> 0:24:06.041 that you're worth more and capable of a job that 0:24:06.361 --> 0:24:08.961 isn't indicated in your CV isn't great, is it? 0:24:09.241 --> 0:24:11.161 Well, again, you need to do the research. Is the 0:24:11.201 --> 0:24:13.521 company's looking for someone who is prepared to sit in 0:24:13.561 --> 0:24:15.561 a job for a long period of time and just 0:24:15.601 --> 0:24:17.961 sit there and do the job, or are they looking 0:24:17.961 --> 0:24:21.401 for someone that could gravitate to the top and someone 0:24:21.401 --> 0:24:23.881 who's really going to make their business hum. Those are 0:24:23.881 --> 0:24:27.721 two different lots of people, and equally attractive to employers. 0:24:28.441 --> 0:24:31.881 To have someone stable, secure, they're going to keep coming 0:24:32.001 --> 0:24:34.001 and they're going to be reliable, and someone that you 0:24:34.041 --> 0:24:37.201 can bank on to come to work every day is 0:24:37.641 --> 0:24:41.521 quite satisfying for many, many, particularly small employees. 0:24:41.801 --> 0:24:44.561 All Right, So, whether you're an employer or an employee 0:24:44.601 --> 0:24:47.561 and a potential employee, if you've got questions for Max Whitehead, 0:24:47.841 --> 0:24:50.281 our employment relations expert, this is the time to get 0:24:50.321 --> 0:24:51.801 at eight hundred and eighty ten and. 0:24:51.801 --> 0:24:54.161 Any other questions you've got about employment law. I'm more 0:24:54.201 --> 0:24:56.081 than happy to help you. We're on a public holiday, 0:24:56.121 --> 0:24:57.961 you know that's tomorrow. 0:24:58.481 --> 0:24:59.801 Some people have them, don't they match? 0:24:59.881 --> 0:25:03.041 Oh you're not, obviously, No, I'll be sleeping. I won't 0:25:03.041 --> 0:25:04.321 even think about your own man. 0:25:05.721 --> 0:25:08.641 See, how many people do you in your experience working 0:25:08.681 --> 0:25:11.841 with people in employment matters? How many people get really 0:25:11.881 --> 0:25:16.001 belligerent and a bit snotty about being overlooked. Oh I'm 0:25:16.001 --> 0:25:19.281 perfectly capable, but they're not prepared to understand what they 0:25:19.281 --> 0:25:21.561 need to do on that pathway to better themselves. 0:25:21.641 --> 0:25:25.761 Yeah. Well, particularly the new generation, because they see the 0:25:25.801 --> 0:25:28.961 world revolves around them, and they're really looking at They 0:25:29.001 --> 0:25:31.481 can't believe it. They can't believe it. This employer is 0:25:31.521 --> 0:25:35.441 not treating me right and promoting me, and that really 0:25:35.641 --> 0:25:38.641 employers are very much aware of this attitude as well. 0:25:38.921 --> 0:25:41.961 So keep yourself in check, folks. There's nothing wrong with 0:25:42.081 --> 0:25:45.441 being ambitious and being in a hurry, but keep yourself 0:25:45.441 --> 0:25:48.281 in check and be very conscious of the employer's perspective 0:25:48.321 --> 0:25:50.801 on things. If they haven't got the right perspective, maybe 0:25:50.801 --> 0:25:52.921 it's time to move on and you do it to 0:25:52.921 --> 0:25:55.281 your way and whatever. But I like what you said 0:25:55.281 --> 0:25:59.361 before roman approach them. What can I do to impress you? 0:25:59.521 --> 0:26:02.761 What can I do to get ahead in this business? 0:26:03.081 --> 0:26:05.721 And I think that's probably a good start. And if 0:26:05.761 --> 0:26:08.401 they say, we'll just do your job, I'm happy with 0:26:08.481 --> 0:26:11.681 you carry on as it is. Is there any chance 0:26:11.761 --> 0:26:16.001 of me becoming them over taking from you, taking over 0:26:16.081 --> 0:26:19.201 and managing the business for you and you can stay home. Yeah, 0:26:19.561 --> 0:26:22.721 those questions are quite reasonable. But I should tell you 0:26:22.841 --> 0:26:23.201 I like. 0:26:23.161 --> 0:26:25.481 That because there's two types of people in every single business. 0:26:25.481 --> 0:26:27.801 I don't care whether it's a courier company or whatever 0:26:27.841 --> 0:26:30.041 the business is. There's the people that want to help 0:26:30.081 --> 0:26:31.921 you up the ladder and the people that want to 0:26:32.001 --> 0:26:33.961 chop the ladder off to stop you getting up there. 0:26:34.041 --> 0:26:37.041 So there's anyway eight hundred eighty ten eighty the text 0:26:37.121 --> 0:26:39.881 nine two nine two you get a Reuben Hey, Ruben 0:26:40.081 --> 0:26:40.681 Max here. 0:26:41.721 --> 0:26:44.921 Oh, how's it going? I'm just ringing up. I'm just wondering, 0:26:44.961 --> 0:26:49.121 if you've got an employer, employees or other, and they 0:26:49.121 --> 0:26:52.001 haven't worked for longer than say a year, are they 0:26:52.001 --> 0:26:53.921 still entitled to and you'll leave. 0:26:55.921 --> 0:26:58.281 Yeah, only after they've done twelve months service that they're 0:26:58.401 --> 0:27:01.801 entitled to four weeks leave. So what happens is the 0:27:01.881 --> 0:27:05.121 day they start, they start to accumulate leave, and you 0:27:05.121 --> 0:27:06.881 can give it to them an advance if you want to. 0:27:07.041 --> 0:27:08.521 If not, they have to wait till the end of 0:27:08.521 --> 0:27:12.361 that twelve month period and then they're entitled to four weeks. 0:27:12.801 --> 0:27:16.001 Okay. So in mine situation, I've got I have given 0:27:16.041 --> 0:27:20.401 some an advance, but now the employee is resigning and 0:27:20.441 --> 0:27:22.441 they're just wondering if they're so eligible to get the 0:27:22.441 --> 0:27:24.761 rest of that money even though they've resigned before the 0:27:24.801 --> 0:27:25.921 twelve month period. 0:27:27.561 --> 0:27:29.841 It depends how much you've given them. I always, I 0:27:29.881 --> 0:27:32.441 always recommend to employers don't give them any more than 0:27:32.441 --> 0:27:37.361 they've actually accumulated. Did you give them extra or not? 0:27:39.401 --> 0:27:41.521 I've got them through two hours and goodwill, I think 0:27:41.561 --> 0:27:43.921 it's not. It's haven't gone over what they would get 0:27:43.961 --> 0:27:44.521 after a year. 0:27:44.561 --> 0:27:47.441 But yeah, but you might have given them more. Say 0:27:47.441 --> 0:27:49.321 they've only done two weeks work and you gave them 0:27:49.361 --> 0:27:52.441 thirty two hours paid leave for a holiday. You've been 0:27:52.481 --> 0:27:56.361 over generous. So I would actually ask them for that 0:27:56.481 --> 0:28:00.161 money back saying that. Yeah, I there's nothing wrong with 0:28:00.281 --> 0:28:02.441 asking them for it and saying that I've given this 0:28:02.481 --> 0:28:05.641 to you out of generosity and I've you know, the 0:28:05.721 --> 0:28:07.881 law didn't require me to do that, so I was 0:28:07.921 --> 0:28:10.001 trying to help you at the time. No, there's no 0:28:10.001 --> 0:28:10.721 problem to ask you. 0:28:11.841 --> 0:28:13.321 Okay, Oh that's great news. 0:28:13.401 --> 0:28:15.401 Thanks for that, all right, Reuben good thanks for the call. 0:28:15.521 --> 0:28:18.441 Yeah, thanks Ruben. Yeah, I think this comes up a 0:28:18.441 --> 0:28:22.521 lot about what I am entitled to my contracts. Is 0:28:22.561 --> 0:28:25.121 one thing I'm hearing different things from an employer. Is 0:28:25.161 --> 0:28:27.361 that still something that people are grappling with. It's quite 0:28:27.361 --> 0:28:28.881 black and white in a contract, do, isn't it. 0:28:28.921 --> 0:28:34.521 Well? One of the worst things Roman is the Holidays Act. 0:28:34.561 --> 0:28:36.881 It really is a nightmare for people like me. I'm 0:28:36.921 --> 0:28:39.721 sitting here terrified. Now. I encourage people to call in 0:28:39.761 --> 0:28:43.041 about the Holidays Act, but it's just full of fish hooks, 0:28:43.401 --> 0:28:48.361 and also the judiciary reluctant to make a decision about 0:28:48.401 --> 0:28:50.361 lots of stuff of it. We're just waiting for the 0:28:50.441 --> 0:28:53.321 day that brook van Belden, the minister, is going to 0:28:53.361 --> 0:28:56.681 actually put a new one out because the past government 0:28:56.881 --> 0:28:58.761 they had six years they were going to put it out. 0:28:59.081 --> 0:29:01.601 They didn't. This government tried and they were going to 0:29:01.601 --> 0:29:03.441 get so far and they're going to spend another year 0:29:03.521 --> 0:29:08.801 doing it. So we're still and waiting. 0:29:07.521 --> 0:29:10.201 Of a mainland cheese policy. Good things take time, right. 0:29:11.201 --> 0:29:13.281 I don't know. It's been a lot of years and 0:29:13.281 --> 0:29:15.321 I've been around a long time. So what I do 0:29:15.441 --> 0:29:17.481 recall is in the early days they said we're putting 0:29:17.481 --> 0:29:19.401 a new version out and it'll be much simpler. It 0:29:19.521 --> 0:29:22.481 wasn't and then it just comes on again and again. 0:29:22.641 --> 0:29:26.921 It really it's going to be very very difficult to 0:29:27.321 --> 0:29:29.361 I've tried to even think about what drafting and make 0:29:29.441 --> 0:29:32.801 it simple simple, and Brooks tried. You can remember that 0:29:32.841 --> 0:29:34.761 she was saying, oh, we'll put a proportion of people 0:29:34.801 --> 0:29:37.161 and you know of the time that they're entitled to. 0:29:37.561 --> 0:29:40.641 It isn't easy if you're going to give everyone their entitlements, 0:29:40.681 --> 0:29:43.441 if you're going to get harsh, well maybe it's time 0:29:43.521 --> 0:29:44.201 to happen. Yeah. 0:29:44.241 --> 0:29:46.241 David Seymour in a State of the Nation's speech, was 0:29:46.241 --> 0:29:49.601 praising Brook van Valden the work she's doing in this regard. So, look, 0:29:49.641 --> 0:29:51.681 how is that feeling for you as an employer? I 0:29:51.721 --> 0:29:53.681 think it must be terrifying trying to work out what 0:29:53.681 --> 0:29:54.241 people are into. 0:29:54.801 --> 0:29:57.761 Brooks made a lot of in my world and employment 0:29:57.801 --> 0:30:01.601 stuff and brook van Velden's the god of employment law. 0:30:01.921 --> 0:30:05.441 So she's made a lot of promises. So far nothing's happened. 0:30:05.841 --> 0:30:08.401 So she's saying twenty twenty five, it's all going to happen. 0:30:08.441 --> 0:30:12.121 It's all fall into place. She's promised anybody over one 0:30:12.161 --> 0:30:13.921 hundred and eighty thousand. She said, you won't get to 0:30:14.241 --> 0:30:16.681 be able to take a personal grievance. She said that 0:30:16.721 --> 0:30:18.921 there'll be changes to the law where people won't get 0:30:18.961 --> 0:30:21.801 the same rewards they used to for taking the personal grievance. 0:30:22.321 --> 0:30:24.761 There's a lot of stuff happening and yet we haven't 0:30:24.801 --> 0:30:27.681 seen it happen yet. So he's right about the innovation 0:30:27.761 --> 0:30:30.201 and good ideas. But well there's proof in the pudding, 0:30:30.281 --> 0:30:31.441 isn't it. Let's wait and see. 0:30:31.561 --> 0:30:33.521 Stand by, stand by, pick up the phone and call 0:30:33.561 --> 0:30:36.601 Max Whitehead, an employment relations expert. Here on the Smart 0:30:36.641 --> 0:30:39.401 Money Hour, it's the Weekend Collective News Talks there B 0:30:39.561 --> 0:30:42.721 twenty to six, seventeen to six Roman travers. Here on 0:30:42.721 --> 0:30:45.761 the Smart Money Hour, it's the Weekend Collector. Max Whitehead, 0:30:45.761 --> 0:30:48.481 you're a tremendously generous man. If people are listening and 0:30:48.481 --> 0:30:51.081 they're going, shit, I'm not calling I'm too scared. How 0:30:51.121 --> 0:30:52.761 do they find you? 0:30:52.761 --> 0:30:55.521 You can call me on two one twenty four to 0:30:55.521 --> 0:30:58.681 seven ninety three ninety three, or just look up the 0:30:58.841 --> 0:31:01.441 dub dub dub Whitehead Group. Dot co dot n said, 0:31:01.521 --> 0:31:02.281 oh the white Hair Group. 0:31:02.321 --> 0:31:02.681 Good stuff. 0:31:02.721 --> 0:31:04.241 Well, Max Whitehead will get you there as well. 0:31:04.281 --> 0:31:07.601 Well unfair gettable. Now we have talked about CVS, the 0:31:08.041 --> 0:31:10.601 importance of making sure it's up to date, and I'm 0:31:10.601 --> 0:31:12.761 not just talking about your latest job. Make sure it's 0:31:12.761 --> 0:31:15.161 actually going to be worth reading, not something that was 0:31:15.161 --> 0:31:16.681 produced out of wided up a. 0:31:16.681 --> 0:31:20.241 Columny to two pages maybe three, but you know, keep 0:31:20.241 --> 0:31:21.841 it less is more. 0:31:21.721 --> 0:31:24.081 Yes, and write a covering letter pertinent to the job 0:31:24.121 --> 0:31:27.441 you're applying for and don't use strippers and cakes. 0:31:27.521 --> 0:31:31.281 So I thought that was Helian Balloons was the other one. 0:31:31.361 --> 0:31:33.561 I like that. I like that there's something outstanding, right. 0:31:33.601 --> 0:31:36.481 So we're talking also about tenure in the job, and 0:31:36.521 --> 0:31:38.841 you're saying, at about three years, if you get him 0:31:38.841 --> 0:31:40.921 at stale, you haven't made any moves. It could look 0:31:41.001 --> 0:31:42.001 like you're stale. 0:31:42.201 --> 0:31:44.321 Yep, I think it's time to have a review. And 0:31:44.361 --> 0:31:46.441 that's the modern world. In the old world, it was 0:31:46.481 --> 0:31:48.841 like fifteen years and you were look, that's a good, 0:31:49.401 --> 0:31:53.081 good person, he's a good employee. Steady as get over that. 0:31:53.681 --> 0:31:57.041 Yeah, I'd hate to watch you reading my CV. It's 0:31:57.121 --> 0:32:00.361 quite comedic. It goes everything from farming to the Department 0:32:00.401 --> 0:32:03.441 of Conservation, the Forest Service, to working in pubs in London, 0:32:03.521 --> 0:32:07.201 a waiter in Scotland, radio TV back to radio all 0:32:07.241 --> 0:32:08.521 over the show Roman. 0:32:08.601 --> 0:32:10.801 If you're to look at the role you're going to 0:32:10.801 --> 0:32:13.761 apply for and then apply it, you know if you're 0:32:13.761 --> 0:32:16.561 going for if you're going to go for a radio announcer, 0:32:16.641 --> 0:32:18.601 for example, the last thing they want to know it 0:32:18.721 --> 0:32:20.681 you worked on a farm or maybe they do. I 0:32:20.681 --> 0:32:23.121 don't know. I guess oh, you're well. They want to 0:32:23.121 --> 0:32:26.561 touch on a wide spectrum of knowledge, and you do 0:32:26.561 --> 0:32:27.841 do it? You have got it. 0:32:28.001 --> 0:32:30.121 Yeah, you could write my CV by the sounds. If 0:32:30.121 --> 0:32:32.201 you are in the process of writing a CV and 0:32:32.201 --> 0:32:33.841 you're just thinking, Look, I'm lost. I don't know what 0:32:33.881 --> 0:32:35.961 to do. Do I go forwards or backwards? Do I 0:32:36.001 --> 0:32:38.481 go from school or do I go from my current job. 0:32:38.681 --> 0:32:40.601 This is the time to make that phone call and 0:32:40.641 --> 0:32:44.201 catch Ma's whitehead. Here on the smart money eight hundred 0:32:44.281 --> 0:32:46.961 eighty ten eighty couple of text he max. Are you ready? 0:32:47.001 --> 0:32:47.841 Yep, I'm braced. 0:32:48.001 --> 0:32:51.881 Do employers read cover letters and CV letters these days 0:32:52.001 --> 0:32:55.441 or are they just put into an AI system for processing. 0:32:55.521 --> 0:32:58.721 Well, yeah, the latter happens a lot these days. But 0:32:58.921 --> 0:33:01.441 certainly skim reading is what happens when employer's got to 0:33:01.481 --> 0:33:04.041 pile of them. They'll skim read it and pick out 0:33:04.081 --> 0:33:07.401 what's important. Remember that highlight whatever is important. Maybe it's 0:33:07.401 --> 0:33:09.681 a heading or whatever. There's some words in there that 0:33:09.721 --> 0:33:12.201 you think that they need to know. Put it in 0:33:12.241 --> 0:33:15.441 bold or whatever. You know, don't don't be. The other 0:33:15.481 --> 0:33:19.641 thing is Kiwis are reluctant to be They want to 0:33:19.641 --> 0:33:22.681 be modest and it's the Kiwi way, you know, the 0:33:22.761 --> 0:33:25.841 quiet achiever. No, don't. This is the time you need 0:33:25.881 --> 0:33:27.921 to get loud and bold and saying this is what 0:33:28.041 --> 0:33:30.281 I can do, and this is what I have done. 0:33:30.521 --> 0:33:32.241 I could do it for your business as well. 0:33:32.681 --> 0:33:36.561 It's a cliche, but cliches become cliches because they're generally true. 0:33:36.601 --> 0:33:38.801 You have one chance to make a first impression, don't 0:33:38.841 --> 0:33:39.121 you do? 0:33:39.241 --> 0:33:42.921 And it's a glance, and it's you're right. Say someone's 0:33:42.921 --> 0:33:45.961 got one hundred applications there, they're going to flash through 0:33:46.001 --> 0:33:48.201 them and it's skim reading it on the way. So 0:33:48.241 --> 0:33:49.961 the words are important and less is more. 0:33:50.121 --> 0:33:52.161 Yes. And I was also told, tell me what you 0:33:52.201 --> 0:33:54.561 think about this, and by the way, do call eight 0:33:54.681 --> 0:33:57.601 hundred eighty ten eighty while we're chatting away. Reflect the 0:33:57.681 --> 0:33:59.921 language that they use in the ad. So if they 0:33:59.961 --> 0:34:02.801 want things like we want someone who can collaborate, use 0:34:02.841 --> 0:34:06.081 that word talk about your collaboration. We want someone who 0:34:06.201 --> 0:34:08.881 whatever it might be, reflect the same language back because 0:34:08.881 --> 0:34:09.841 they'll connect with that. 0:34:09.841 --> 0:34:11.721 That's exactly right, and that's what I was pointing out. 0:34:11.761 --> 0:34:15.041 I'm so pleased you've said that, because you know, collaborations 0:34:15.041 --> 0:34:17.561 are very very modern word and people use a lot, 0:34:17.721 --> 0:34:20.321 but that's you're dead right, And that's why I'm saying 0:34:20.361 --> 0:34:23.401 before underline some of the key words with in their 0:34:24.161 --> 0:34:26.881 advertisement or whatever they are to try and get your attention, 0:34:27.361 --> 0:34:30.121 and then put it back to them and say, well, 0:34:30.161 --> 0:34:33.081 I've collaborated with many of this is this associates from 0:34:33.121 --> 0:34:36.361 my business, et cetera, will vouch for me to do this, this, this, this, this. 0:34:36.481 --> 0:34:40.161 Yeah, okay, Curren says, there's absolutely no excuse for not 0:34:40.241 --> 0:34:44.241 acknowledging applications. They're all done electronically, just an auto reply 0:34:44.441 --> 0:34:46.721 such as thank you for your interests. The process from 0:34:46.761 --> 0:34:49.641 here is blah blah blah. We will assess the applications, 0:34:49.841 --> 0:34:51.161 be back with you in a couple. 0:34:51.001 --> 0:34:52.921 Of wads, and look, AI will do it for them 0:34:52.921 --> 0:34:56.361 in seconds. It's incredible what that will do. Just feed 0:34:56.401 --> 0:34:59.201 it in and then give them their addresses and then saying, okay, 0:34:59.281 --> 0:35:02.601 I like these three candidates, so you know we used 0:35:02.601 --> 0:35:04.961 to get them in the old days, are saying unfortunately, 0:35:05.121 --> 0:35:07.481 and we've got some very high caliber of candidates and 0:35:07.681 --> 0:35:10.401 unfortunately didn't quite make the grade this time. Well, so 0:35:10.481 --> 0:35:15.081 what use those words and put repeated if necessary, but 0:35:15.081 --> 0:35:16.361 at least get back to people. 0:35:16.521 --> 0:35:18.761 Yeah, I agree, because you know one thing that we 0:35:18.801 --> 0:35:20.801 all tell each other, abnores him. We tell each other 0:35:20.841 --> 0:35:22.801 that we're so busy, and then we'll tell each other 0:35:22.841 --> 0:35:25.641 about the fourteen hours of Netflix we watched, and we 0:35:25.681 --> 0:35:28.601 sat at the pub for fourteen hours watching cricket. So yeah, 0:35:28.641 --> 0:35:31.201 that's not everybody. But yeah, just being politial. 0:35:30.921 --> 0:35:33.201 Here's a grumble, And I hope you don't mind me saying, 0:35:33.201 --> 0:35:35.721 but I hate the cancel culture and the fact that 0:35:35.761 --> 0:35:38.401 you just don't get a response is the cancel culture, 0:35:38.641 --> 0:35:40.721 and I think it's rude. I actually think that is 0:35:40.801 --> 0:35:44.081 absolutely rude. You should acknowledge someone who's communicating with you, 0:35:44.321 --> 0:35:47.321 at least acknowledge them. If you disagree, say so and 0:35:47.361 --> 0:35:47.841 then move on. 0:35:48.321 --> 0:35:51.361 I completely agree. Ron says, goody, they're Raman and Max. 0:35:51.481 --> 0:35:55.401 I'm an owner operator working for a big corporate. Do 0:35:55.521 --> 0:35:59.241 I have to be on a roster and stipulated hours 0:35:59.241 --> 0:36:02.081 of work and when the work is slow you don't 0:36:02.081 --> 0:36:04.841 hear from them, But when you're on the roster and 0:36:04.881 --> 0:36:07.201 you have to be available, I'm not really sure. 0:36:07.761 --> 0:36:11.161 Well, I assume Ron is an employee and there is 0:36:11.201 --> 0:36:16.481 a requirement under the legislation that they've got to specify 0:36:17.241 --> 0:36:21.521 guaranteed hours of work. So I guess that's what Ron's 0:36:21.521 --> 0:36:23.801 on about that sound on a roster. Well then you know, 0:36:24.241 --> 0:36:27.041 so I'd say Ron has his own business, but he's 0:36:27.081 --> 0:36:29.881 actually an employee as well. I'd say that's probably what 0:36:29.921 --> 0:36:30.281 he's doing. 0:36:30.361 --> 0:36:33.521 Okay, good stuff. As an employer, Max, I look for 0:36:33.881 --> 0:36:37.481 straightforward cover letters and one or two pages for a 0:36:37.521 --> 0:36:40.561 CV only, and that reflects on the time, right. I 0:36:40.561 --> 0:36:42.841 don't have time to read about your love of butterflies, 0:36:43.521 --> 0:36:47.321 you know, And I went tramping once, like, just keep 0:36:47.361 --> 0:36:50.081 it simple, keep it succinct, reflect what they're asking for. 0:36:50.281 --> 0:36:53.121 Exactly what you said before. And that guy, that guy 0:36:53.241 --> 0:36:56.441 or girl who owns a business is really just saying, hey, 0:36:56.481 --> 0:36:59.481 it's the right advice. So listen, folks that really listen 0:36:59.481 --> 0:37:01.521 to this. Keep it simple and keep it short. 0:37:01.721 --> 0:37:04.601 Yes, I like what you were saying before about social media, 0:37:04.641 --> 0:37:07.041 and this text touches on that. Get a Roman and Max, 0:37:07.081 --> 0:37:09.601 don't put your photo on the CV, and also close 0:37:09.641 --> 0:37:12.881 out your Facebook page, as many employers look at your 0:37:12.921 --> 0:37:16.401 profile and pictures regard says John, Why would you unless 0:37:16.401 --> 0:37:18.961 you're an absolute notice or something, why would you close 0:37:19.001 --> 0:37:20.241 your Facebook page? 0:37:20.881 --> 0:37:22.241 Well? I could tell you now, if I get a 0:37:22.281 --> 0:37:24.601 new client, I mean, this is almost the other way around. 0:37:24.721 --> 0:37:27.601 I will then do research on social media and see 0:37:27.601 --> 0:37:30.001 where they sit and what sort of person they are. 0:37:30.481 --> 0:37:33.361 And the Facebook page really is a toweltal. 0:37:33.961 --> 0:37:34.201 You know. 0:37:34.481 --> 0:37:36.801 They might enjoy parting and going out, well that's fine, 0:37:37.121 --> 0:37:40.721 that's normal. But if they over the top and drug 0:37:40.761 --> 0:37:42.841 it up or whatever it might be, I might not 0:37:42.921 --> 0:37:43.561 be happy of that. 0:37:44.441 --> 0:37:47.041 Yeah. I guess everything you put in the digital world 0:37:47.081 --> 0:37:49.281 is there forever, and just be that in mind. Right, 0:37:49.561 --> 0:37:52.561 So it's a good tip. Thanks, Let's get back into 0:37:52.641 --> 0:37:55.401 it with your phone calls. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 0:37:55.521 --> 0:37:58.121 You've only got another ten minutes to catch Max Whitehead 0:37:58.281 --> 0:38:01.761 from the white Head Group and employment Relations the expert. Oh, 0:38:01.801 --> 0:38:03.921 eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's a free phone call. 0:38:04.001 --> 0:38:07.001 The text nine two N two nine to six sex 0:38:07.001 --> 0:38:09.241 to sex Max Whitehead. If you're asking lots of text 0:38:09.241 --> 0:38:11.161 saying how do I get hold of Max Whitehead? He 0:38:11.161 --> 0:38:13.321 doesn't always sit in the studio, he does go home. 0:38:13.561 --> 0:38:14.961 You are part of the white Head. 0:38:14.761 --> 0:38:16.641 Group, I could stay here at night and day where. 0:38:16.521 --> 0:38:18.121 You could what's your website? Again? 0:38:19.441 --> 0:38:21.001 I was gonna say dub dubw you're not allowed us 0:38:21.001 --> 0:38:23.481 see anymore. Whitehead group dot co dot nz. 0:38:23.561 --> 0:38:27.121 Brilliant, good stuff, Giday, guys. My contract states two months 0:38:27.121 --> 0:38:30.281 notice to leave, but I'm paid fortnightly. Where do I 0:38:30.361 --> 0:38:32.801 stand to leave early? Is this negotiable? 0:38:34.161 --> 0:38:37.521 Yeah, it's a good question, and quite often, look quite 0:38:37.521 --> 0:38:40.601 often the employers actually put it like, if you're paid fortnightly, 0:38:40.641 --> 0:38:43.641 then it's a fortnight's notice. But a lot of employers 0:38:43.641 --> 0:38:46.561 are now using this long tenure for a notice period, 0:38:46.641 --> 0:38:49.521 which backbars on them sometimes as well. So I would 0:38:49.561 --> 0:38:52.921 suggest you ought to be trying to negotiate that. It's 0:38:52.961 --> 0:38:55.481 probably too late. You're probably locked in and you're signed 0:38:55.481 --> 0:38:59.441 off at it. So that tenure for a notice period 0:38:59.801 --> 0:39:03.041 is really negotiable, and you should exercise that at the 0:39:03.081 --> 0:39:03.961 beginning of your job. 0:39:04.641 --> 0:39:07.161 It always sounds better and nasty when people start arguing 0:39:07.161 --> 0:39:09.321 about can you leave early? Clearly you don't want to 0:39:09.321 --> 0:39:11.121 be there as an employer. Do you really want to 0:39:11.161 --> 0:39:12.921 keep someone there? It doesn't want to be. 0:39:12.881 --> 0:39:15.881 No, And that's what I say that to employers, and 0:39:15.921 --> 0:39:18.921 quite often employees that backed by someone in that regard. Oh, 0:39:18.961 --> 0:39:21.401 I've got somebody with a bad attitude. They are leaving, 0:39:21.441 --> 0:39:24.481 thank goodness. But now I've got them here for two months? 0:39:24.481 --> 0:39:24.961 What do I do? 0:39:26.361 --> 0:39:29.081 Sorry? Max Buzzwords says, the text of Buzzwords would be 0:39:29.081 --> 0:39:31.201 the first thing to make me turn the page. As 0:39:31.201 --> 0:39:34.921 an employer. If I saw the word collaborative, I'd move on. 0:39:35.521 --> 0:39:39.281 It's an empty word most times, you see, so that 0:39:39.641 --> 0:39:41.961 picked up on that word. My point was reflect the 0:39:42.041 --> 0:39:43.801 language that the person has written. 0:39:44.001 --> 0:39:46.361 And I would agree with you Roman, but I also 0:39:46.441 --> 0:39:49.561 agree with the buzzwords. I mean, I read a lot 0:39:49.601 --> 0:39:54.441 in my world of redundancy proposals that they've sent to employees, 0:39:54.961 --> 0:39:57.121 and some of these, some of the larger, well known 0:39:57.241 --> 0:40:00.761 organizations out there, have the most beautifully written stuff, but 0:40:00.841 --> 0:40:03.641 if you examine it closely, it's got no substance in 0:40:03.721 --> 0:40:06.281 it at all. Employees have to give you information. They 0:40:06.321 --> 0:40:08.361 don't give you anything at all. But it sounds so 0:40:08.881 --> 0:40:11.961 oh man, this is important. I really do have to 0:40:12.161 --> 0:40:14.361 just obey them what I have to do. Yeah, it 0:40:14.401 --> 0:40:14.961 works for them. 0:40:15.241 --> 0:40:17.761 It's amazing how much you can say without actually saying anything. 0:40:17.841 --> 0:40:18.121 Isn't it? 0:40:18.201 --> 0:40:19.041 Oh they have? 0:40:20.721 --> 0:40:21.881 And what the heck are they saying? 0:40:21.921 --> 0:40:22.441 What is it? 0:40:22.441 --> 0:40:25.401 You're trying to say? Just say it? But I do 0:40:25.521 --> 0:40:27.081 like the fact that, so I think we're going to 0:40:27.121 --> 0:40:30.441 clash on that. If someone's asking for someone who's collaborative, 0:40:30.441 --> 0:40:33.201 and you work that back into your application and reflect 0:40:33.281 --> 0:40:36.481 how you've been that person, you'll be top of the list. 0:40:36.521 --> 0:40:39.081 Max, Well, no collaborative. I agree with you because I 0:40:39.081 --> 0:40:41.281 think that means you can work with this team, you 0:40:41.281 --> 0:40:44.841 can work with others, you can work with idiots. Yeah, yes, everyone. 0:40:45.081 --> 0:40:47.281 Good on you, Max white Hair from the White Hair Group, 0:40:47.321 --> 0:40:48.401 Thank you so much for coming. 0:40:48.881 --> 0:40:50.361 I love being here. Oh, good on you. 0:40:50.401 --> 0:40:52.521 Another great smart money out. I just remember you can 0:40:52.561 --> 0:40:54.961 catch all the action from Politics Central, the Health Hub, 0:40:55.161 --> 0:40:58.081 and smart Money on your favorite little device, you thing. 0:40:58.121 --> 0:41:00.401 iHeartRadio is the best place to go or go to 0:41:00.481 --> 0:41:03.601 news Talks thereb dot co dot Cheers, Max and thanks 0:41:03.641 --> 0:41:11.481 to tire of the produclar Yeah, thank you, Bye bye, Excus. 0:41:14.361 --> 0:41:17.121 For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to news 0:41:17.161 --> 0:41:20.241 Talks it be weekends from three pm, or follow the 0:41:20.281 --> 0:41:21.841 podcast on iHeartRadio.