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Speaker 1: The government's given businesses the power to trespass people from

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Speaker 1: multiple locations. It's also raised the maximum trespass period from

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Speaker 1: two years up to three. Brad Jacobs is a franchise

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Speaker 1: and News Inland chairperson and coffee club co owner with

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Hey Brad, good morning, Ryan, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. You like the

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Speaker 1: sound of this. Is it going to make a difference?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly will. Obviously. One of the challenges I

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Speaker 2: guess for franchise groups at the moment is that franchise

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Speaker 2: businesses are all individually owned, as you know, so there

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Speaker 2: would be no way at the moment for a group

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Speaker 2: to be able to trespass someone from multiple locations in

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Speaker 2: one go. So it would come back to repetition and

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Speaker 2: multiple franchise's doing the same work over and over again

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Speaker 2: to be able to achieve the same outcome.

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Speaker 1: So basically, now, if somebody offends against one franchise franchise e,

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Speaker 1: then they've sinned against all of them.

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Speaker 2: That's my understanding of what they're proposing. Yes, so obviously

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen an exact bill yet or the legislation,

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Speaker 2: but that's how I understand it.

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Speaker 1: What about the fine that increasing the maximum fine for

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Speaker 1: anyone refusing to give their name and address when requested

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Speaker 1: or giving false information from five hundred dollars to one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Is that are they saying that's your responsibility

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Speaker 1: or is that if police are there? What's the story there?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question. Look, I guess the fines in my view,

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Speaker 2: remain relatively low, so I'm not sure that they're a

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Speaker 2: massive deterreent to be honest, While it sounds good, So

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Speaker 2: they're doubling, they're doubling not necessarily small base. I guess

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Speaker 2: the key is, yes, you need to be able to

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Speaker 2: at the moment, you need to be able to have

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Speaker 2: a lot of details of the person to be able

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Speaker 2: to actually issue a trespass notice. But again, my uner

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Speaker 2: standing is that they're working on ways to be able

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Speaker 2: to reduce that so that if someone does refuse to

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Speaker 2: give their details, or you may know them by a

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Speaker 2: common name which may not actually be their legal name,

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Speaker 2: that there could be ways to be able to still

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Speaker 2: issue a trespass notice even with that information.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the fines should be, you know,

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Speaker 1: if doubling from five hundred one thousand or what ever,

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Speaker 1: as not the go what should they.

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Speaker 2: Be I think probably Unfortunately, for some of those repeat offenders,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter whether it was one thousand, five thousand,

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Speaker 2: or ten thousand. I'm not sure that they're in a

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Speaker 2: position to make payment anyway, So I don't know. Doubling

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Speaker 2: it is certainly a good start, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: there are massive to terrent.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in your coffee shop, do you get much abuse

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Speaker 1: going on because I'm assuming most of the people who

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Speaker 1: are wanting to steal stuff or going to supermarkets or

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Speaker 1: to retail stores rather than to a cafe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it'd be our retail members that struggle

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Speaker 2: more my own personal business. Yes, cafes, we don't have

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Speaker 2: to trespass people that often in our cafes. No, Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: it's not a huge problem for us. We certainly, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: our team members do get treated unfairly regularly in the cafes.

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Speaker 2: People get a bit grumpy, but it's not to the

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Speaker 2: point where you would you'd need to remove someone. In

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Speaker 2: the CBD, we have four cafe in the CBD, they

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Speaker 2: do have to face a lot with unfortunately, people on

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Speaker 2: the streets, homeless people and people with some mental health issues.

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Speaker 2: Trespassing them sometimes is really just a bit of a

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Speaker 2: waste of time because unfortunately they don't have anywhere else

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Speaker 2: to go and so they reappear or they move from

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Speaker 2: one corner of the city to another. So yeah, it

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Speaker 2: can be very challenging for our French as these in

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Speaker 2: the CBD and Auckland in particular.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Brad, Thank you. Brad Jacobs Franchise New Zealand chairperson,

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Speaker 1: also co owner of a coffee club.

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