1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: So got some funding pressures around prison. So the ninety 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: eight million which was set aside in this year's budget 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: the higher front line staff for a population of ten thousand, 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: eight hundred inmates has been spent. Now the prisoner numbers 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: are just short of the ten thousand and eight they're 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: at ten thousand, seven hundred and sixty three, so that 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: numbers come nearly a year ahead of forecast. Two hundred 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: and seventy six full time positions also remain vacant. Floyd 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: Doupleacy is the Correction's Association President. Back with us, Floyd, 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: morning good one a mite. We seem to have a 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: dispute between what you're saying and what the minister says. 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: There's no shortage, no problem, so so how are you 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: calculating your numbers? 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, what the minister's being feed as a rosy version 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: of the truth. So the staff are voluntarily short based 16 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: on how we the population we face versus when the 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: model of how we staffed was designed. The other components 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: of that is we're short on a regular basis. This 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: weekend alone, we had multiple shifts across prisons all across 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: the country, all heavily short. They're not filling those, and 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: so what's happening is by not filling those, we can't 22 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 2: unlock the prisoners, we can't safely operate, and so you're 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: getting an increase intention and prisoners an't getting time out. 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: And that's where the reports that we see come out 25 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: from the likes of the Onwardsman and the un committee 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: that's coming through comes from because prisoners are being locked 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: for extended periods because we don't have the staff to 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: physically unlock them safely, and then that creates tension within 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: those areas, right, that's what drives the violence. 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: The two seventy six full time positions. You short of 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: what happened to the big pipeline, the advertising campaign and 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the parent avalanche of applications. 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Corrections keeps talking about the avalanche of applications. The 34 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: problem with that is applications doesn't mean people. We're not 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: seeing a bigging uptake in actual people starting the job. 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: And then, unfortunately, the bigger problem we've got as people 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: start the job realize how difficult our job actually is 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: and we're losing farm or staff than what we need 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: to and we're also losing a lot of staff to 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Australia because they pay a lot more money for a 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: job that's nowhere near as violent as the prisons in 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: New Zealand. 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Do we have the region Do we have a regionality 44 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: problems as well, depending on where you are in the 45 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: country and where the prisoners and where the prisoners are. 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: Yes, we do. So that's a problem for a number 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: of reasons. A certain prisons are more difficult than others. 48 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: And because of that master suppression, because we've got no beads, 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: prisoners are being moved around all the time and that 50 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: causes attention. They want to be close to their famis. 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: They want to be close to the support New twig 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: and the character has been done to beat thee. 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate the insight Floyd doeople see who's the Correction's 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Association prison. So they're still short. Ten eight was the number. 55 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: It's at ten seven sixty three. They just got there quicker. 56 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: So presumably this is going to continue to fly because 57 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: we're seeing more people put in prison. Obviously. For more 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: they'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 60 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.