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Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and eighty one for April
Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty twenty five. This podcast is into its
Speaker 2: seventh year, which I struggle to comprehend for a variety
Speaker 2: of reasons, but one of the rewards. One of the
Speaker 2: highlights of doing it is discovering individuals who are unknown,
Speaker 2: in introducing them to you and in many cases to myself,
Speaker 2: and in other cases they are unfamiliar with us sort of.
Speaker 2: There are two forms of media that are booming at
Speaker 2: the moment, columnists and podcasts. Columists have been at it
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years, podcasts not so much. But there's
Speaker 2: one essential aspect that is applicable to both that render
Speaker 2: them valuable. Independence. Independence as in unencumbered by overlords, independence
Speaker 2: as in expressing what you think, not fitting into a
Speaker 2: mainstream keral. Kurt Schlichter is an interesting man, as we'll
Speaker 2: discover shortly and I have read his columns on and
Speaker 2: off for a period of time, but it occurred to
Speaker 2: me more recently that we needed somebody of his ilk
Speaker 2: in this country who could write about local things in
Speaker 2: somewhat the same manner, and adorned on me that that
Speaker 2: individual probably exists. And I want to give you an example.
Speaker 2: Readers of this blog have long known about our frustration
Speaker 2: with Wellington's lack of action by career bureaucrats over practically
Speaker 2: every important issue facing New Zealand. The pointless Party has
Speaker 2: continued under national Take the latest Treasury report, for example,
Speaker 2: it's called Teyara Makapuna twenty twenty five Consultation on the
Speaker 2: Draft Content of the Treasury's Long Term Insights Briefing Sustainable
Speaker 2: and Resilient Physical Policy through Economic Shocks and Cycles. With
Speaker 2: a long winded title like that, the report is bound
Speaker 2: to be nonsense, and so it is. What's the point
Speaker 2: of this one hundred and eleven page exercise in stupidity?
Speaker 2: The new Secretary Treasury sums it up when he says,
Speaker 2: we hope this briefing will encourage New Zealanders to talk
Speaker 2: about whether we are leaving enough in the public purse
Speaker 2: for future New Zealanders. How exciting is that all talk,
Speaker 2: no action. The nation is fed upwards talking and debating.
Speaker 2: It's fed up with Finance Minister Willis saying that she
Speaker 2: is taking advice on every single issue because she has
Speaker 2: no plan and no clue about economics and finance. Why
Speaker 2: is the Treasury Secretary being paid to talk all day?
Speaker 2: Why was he even hired? Now this is from Robert
Speaker 2: McCulloch from Auckland University and he's been writing columns now
Speaker 2: under the title or under the address of down to
Speaker 2: Worth Kiwi or down to Worth dot Kiwi. Anyway he
Speaker 2: goes on, I recommend finding this yet another rubbish Treasury
Speaker 2: report in your bim. It's a waste of one million
Speaker 2: dollars of taxpayer money. It reads like a first year
Speaker 2: macroeconomics textbook. Why didn't Finance Minister Willis by Principles of
Speaker 2: Economics by Greg Mann? I can't pronounce this guy's lam.
Speaker 2: I don't know m A n kiw manky mank you
Speaker 2: for ninety dollars rather than ask Treasury to write an
Speaker 2: imbasilically patronizing version of it. It provides not one solution
Speaker 2: to the primary underlying question posed by the report, namely
Speaker 2: how to avoid New Zealand's long term physical challenges stemming
Speaker 2: from population A. He concludes this particular commentary, I remember
Speaker 2: visiting the Treasury to present the plan together with Sir
Speaker 2: Roger Douglas. We were scheduled to meet the then Treasury
Speaker 2: Secretary at around nine am, and our earlier one of
Speaker 2: his minions called and said the big boss Man couldn't
Speaker 2: make the meeting. So I said we couldn't make it either.
Speaker 2: Then they called back and said he could make the meeting.
Speaker 2: The Treasury never cited our article and never gave a
Speaker 2: damn about coming up with a concrete plan to solve
Speaker 2: New Zealand's rising death and deficits. All it does is talk.
Speaker 2: All it wants us to do is talk. All the
Speaker 2: new Secretary wants to do is talk. All Willis wants
Speaker 2: to do is talk and seek advice. I think I
Speaker 2: thought him pretty much on a par with today's guest.
Speaker 2: Close anyway, Now, at the back end of this podcast,
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Speaker 2: only a couple of weeks few days before he died
Speaker 2: and it is a it's a targeted message and it
Speaker 2: has to do with migration, and I think you'll find
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Speaker 2: Always read the label and uses directed and see your
Speaker 2: doctor if systems persist. Farmer Broker Auckland Kurt Schlichter is
Speaker 2: an interesting man with a background from which he built
Speaker 2: what I have described as some character. So to a
Speaker 2: lot of other people, he has character and he is
Speaker 2: a character. He served in the military, retiring in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: He retired as a full fully fledged colonel with a
Speaker 2: degree from the Army War College. He is an author
Speaker 2: of novels. He's an opinion writer, writing three columns a
Speaker 2: week for the town Hall dot com in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, and this seems to be a major claim
Speaker 2: to fame, because anywhere you read about Kurch Slickter they
Speaker 2: pretty much quote this. In two thousand and nine, Andrew
Speaker 2: Breitbart recruited him personally to write I believe on Hollywood,
Speaker 2: Big big Hollywood. How did he approach you? By the way,
Speaker 2: Welcome to New Zealand. I know this is the first
Speaker 2: time you've been here.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
Speaker 4: I've inn all over the world. New Zealand's on my list.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 4: I know. All I know about New Zealand is you
Speaker 4: had magnificent fighting forces and the Lord of the Rings
Speaker 4: and animals.
Speaker 3: But I'm eager to come there someday if I'm allowed
Speaker 3: in the country.
Speaker 2: Well, we know how to sink ships too, especially our own,
Speaker 2: well as such as I presume tonight.
Speaker 4: The story, I do know the story, and it's a
Speaker 4: story in all the Western militaries. I'm sure we'll touch
Speaker 4: on that at some point, but let me let me
Speaker 4: get to Andrew.
Speaker 3: I was a full time.
Speaker 4: Lawyer at the time, a litigator, but I had I
Speaker 4: had finished my stand up comedy career, which went on
Speaker 4: for a few years, and I deployed with the army
Speaker 4: overseas d Kosovo. I came back and I was doing
Speaker 4: still doing a little freelance writing. I had written, you know,
Speaker 4: opinion pieces. I had written jokes by a BMW, writing
Speaker 4: jokes living in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing you do.
Speaker 4: And one day somebody from law school said, you've got
Speaker 4: to meet this friend of mine, Andrew Breitbart. And I
Speaker 4: had heard of him. I knew he was out there.
Speaker 4: I knew he was starting these websites and we met
Speaker 4: and we bonded over Mexican food and alternative music. We're
Speaker 4: big fans of books, and I got to know him
Speaker 4: and one day he's doing Big Hollywood, which was a
Speaker 4: kind of a conservative.
Speaker 3: Take on Hollywood. It was the first of his Breitbart stuff.
Speaker 4: And I saw this story in the newspaper about the
Speaker 4: new Star Trek movie and they were going to open
Speaker 4: it and wait for the American troops.
Speaker 3: That was that was gonna be the premiere.
Speaker 4: And I'm a big believer that you know from being
Speaker 4: in the military that when your guys do something positive,
Speaker 4: you reinforce it. Because if you were enforced positive, you're
Speaker 4: gonna get more positive. So I sent Andrew an email saying, Hey,
Speaker 4: you got to get somebody to write a story about this.
Speaker 4: If they're doing good things to Yatta, say that, and
Speaker 4: he said, why don't you write it? And I wrote
Speaker 4: it and I immediately got a writer's packet, So.
Speaker 3: I was one of the first big Hollywood writers. I'm
Speaker 3: so early.
Speaker 4: I also had no non disclosure agreement, which came later
Speaker 4: and when Breitbart kind of after Andrew's unfortunate death, Andrew
Speaker 4: became a friend.
Speaker 3: But after his n passing.
Speaker 4: Breitbart kind of went through some troubles, and I kept
Speaker 4: getting calls from the media because I became known as
Speaker 4: the one guy who could talk about Breitbart because I
Speaker 4: didn't have a non disclosure. But I wouldn't because I
Speaker 4: hate the meeting. So but Andrew was a great guy,
Speaker 4: a true visionary. He is somebody who saw things in
Speaker 4: a way no one else did. I've never met anyone
Speaker 4: like him. His death was a terrible surprise. Well it
Speaker 4: shouldn't have been. I had lunch with him two weeks
Speaker 4: before him and a conservative movie star in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: and you know, he had a couple of lunch fears.
Speaker 4: He looked terrible, and I said, Andrew, you gotta take
Speaker 4: care of himself. No, no, no, I got too much work
Speaker 4: to do. I got more to do. And he literally
Speaker 4: worked himself to death.
Speaker 2: He is what was it that actually? What was it
Speaker 2: that actually killed him? Did they have a find out
Speaker 2: he had.
Speaker 4: He had a congenital heart condition and it was complicated
Speaker 4: by lack of exercise and stress, and he basically basically
Speaker 4: had our art attack. For lack of better people said,
Speaker 4: well he was poison and everything. Come on, I saw Andrew,
Speaker 4: he was not put He worked himself to death. He
Speaker 4: was a patriot. He put saving his country and his
Speaker 4: people over his own health.
Speaker 2: Who would you who would you say? Who would you
Speaker 2: say would come closest to him today?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, it's funny because there are hundreds of us
Speaker 4: who came from Andrew, Brian, Ben Shapiro, Larry.
Speaker 3: O'Connor, My gosh. In two thousand and nine, the.
Speaker 4: Three of us were doing an hour long radio internet
Speaker 4: radio show every Thursday night, Larry Show.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And now Ben Shapiro is basically a corporation and himself
Speaker 4: Dana lash just.
Speaker 3: He inspired so many people, but no one's like him.
Speaker 3: There's not one guy who's adding out a vision.
Speaker 4: We're all running along in our various ways fulfilling his vision.
Speaker 3: So it's it's very hard.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are there are a lot of great
Speaker 4: guys out there doing innovative things, but there there's there's
Speaker 4: no new Andrew.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: He was the equivalent of the the internet, equivalent of
Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh to the radio, which is the He was
Speaker 4: the beginning and the end of the story.
Speaker 2: I read. I read an opinion piece earlier today. It
Speaker 2: was written by somebody who I didn't used to like,
Speaker 2: but more recently have have come to well, feel more
Speaker 2: friendly toward basically because I think this particular person has
Speaker 2: has changed attitude to some degree. But he hated Andrew.
Speaker 2: His name's Matt, Matt Tybee really, and you know Matt.
Speaker 3: I I don't know him personally. I think he is.
Speaker 4: He's one of the people who found the ground shifting
Speaker 4: underneath him. I don't know how much he's changed, but
Speaker 4: I know that the people who used to be his
Speaker 4: allies have changed.
Speaker 3: He didn't like Andrew is stunning Andrew.
Speaker 4: A lot of leftists personally liked Andrew.
Speaker 3: He was just a great god. As a person.
Speaker 4: He wasn't uh, you know, he was a tough fighter,
Speaker 4: but he wasn't cruel or petty. Uh.
Speaker 3: He was just you know, and and he you know.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that he actively hated him.
Speaker 3: On a personal level.
Speaker 4: I could see them hating him for his politics because
Speaker 4: some you know, lunatics think they should invest that kind
Speaker 4: of hatred.
Speaker 3: In their political stuff. But that that sucks me.
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was out of Rolling Stone, and
Speaker 2: I went looking for something and came across this. So
Speaker 2: let me just quote you briefly a little of it.
Speaker 2: There's some couple of pages, but just a bit. Give
Speaker 2: him this the right way provocateur had his moments. So
Speaker 2: Andrew Breitbart is dead. Here's what I have to say
Speaker 2: to that. And I'm sure Breitbart himself would have respected
Speaker 2: this reaction. Good fim, there's words in here I can't say.
Speaker 2: I couldn't be happier he's dead. I say this in
Speaker 2: the nicest possible way. I actually kind of liked Andrew Breitbart,
Speaker 2: but not in the sense that I would ever have
Speaker 2: wanted to hang out with him or even be caught
Speaker 2: within one hundred yards of him without a hazmat suit on,
Speaker 2: but respected the shamelessness. Breitbart didn't do anything by halves,
Speaker 2: and even his most ardent detractors had to admit that
Speaker 2: he had a highly developed, if not always funny, sense
Speaker 2: of humor. But he went on and finished up in
Speaker 2: much the same way. He was generous, and then he
Speaker 2: came back and put the boot in again. I was shocked.
Speaker 2: I was shocked also, but then I realized that in
Speaker 2: those days it was a long time ago. Now he
Speaker 2: was writing for Rolling Stone, and rolling Stone as a
Speaker 2: well something on its own.
Speaker 4: Well, I simply hope that. I'm sure all of us
Speaker 4: have embarrassing things that we're ashamed of that we've written
Speaker 4: in the past, and I hope nobody digs up something
Speaker 4: that reflects of mine, that reflects so poorly on my character.
Speaker 3: And I hope Matt Tayebe has thought about that over
Speaker 3: the years and come to a different conclusion.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 4: That's just it's mortifying in the sense that I'm not offended.
Speaker 3: I just think less of him.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should read the whole thing, just to put
Speaker 2: it more in perspective, but it's entitled the death of
Speaker 2: a douche. Having washed our hands of that, let me
Speaker 2: continue in somewhat the same vein what I'm quoting you
Speaker 2: is a piece written by a university professor in Auckland
Speaker 2: on his blog. Yesterday, the US President lambast at Harvard
Speaker 2: University he ordered its federal funding to be cut for
Speaker 2: those curious about the inner organizational workings of such places.
Speaker 2: The comments the president made as a social media post
Speaker 2: were not directed at the university as a whole. When
Speaker 2: one reads closely. He's particularly upset about former Democratic Party
Speaker 2: New York mayor Bill de Blasio being appointed to a
Speaker 2: visiting fellowship at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. Other appointments
Speaker 2: at the Kennedy School also are also driving the president crazy.
Speaker 2: So who else is sitting in those ivory towers alongside
Speaker 2: the likes of de Blasio. New Zealand's former Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Jacinda Adern. Of course, she is also a fellow at
Speaker 2: that school, appointed from twenty four to twenty five. Her
Speaker 2: title is Angelopolis Global Public Leader's Fellow. What did the
Speaker 2: President say about the Kennedy School hiring the likes of Adern?
Speaker 2: Harvard has been hiring almost all woke, radical left idiots
Speaker 2: and bird brains who are only capable of teaching failure
Speaker 2: to students and so called future leaders. These leftist dopes
Speaker 2: are teaching at Harvard, and because of that, Harvard should
Speaker 2: not be considered on any list of the world's greatest
Speaker 2: universities or colleges. How should offended New Zealanders feel about that?
Speaker 4: Well, look, Donald Trump is a different kind of American president.
Speaker 3: He is much.
Speaker 4: More akin to the kind of guys to put up
Speaker 4: tall buildings and work on steel and sheet rock and
Speaker 4: cement than he is the kind of people who teach
Speaker 4: at Harvard. One of the problems that we faced in
Speaker 4: the United States and throughout the Western world is the
Speaker 4: leftists have taken control of our institutions.
Speaker 3: They have changed.
Speaker 4: Much like a virus takes control of a cell to
Speaker 4: turn it to its own purposes, which is usually creating
Speaker 4: more viruses. These leftists have taken the institutions and turn
Speaker 4: them into essentially leftist conformity factories and taking them off
Speaker 4: task from.
Speaker 3: Their institutional goals.
Speaker 4: You know, back back in the old days, Harvard was
Speaker 4: supposed to uh, uh, you know, train preachers. Then it
Speaker 4: was supposed to train you know, leaders for the government,
Speaker 4: uh and uh business and society. And now it changed.
Speaker 4: It trains a bunch of amas loving half wits. The
Speaker 4: the fight in the United States is over what to
Speaker 4: do with these institutions. Do we attempt to retake them
Speaker 4: or do we destroy them and build something else.
Speaker 3: I remember Maggie Thatcher.
Speaker 4: One of the brilliant things she said for her time
Speaker 4: was first you win the argument, that you win the election.
Speaker 4: That's changed now as and I thought that I wish
Speaker 4: I could take credit for it. I saw somebody else
Speaker 4: say it. Now We're not interested in winning the argument,
Speaker 4: We're interested in winning the fight. And Harvard is not
Speaker 4: losing its money because it has leftist teaching. Harvard is
Speaker 4: losing its money specifically because it's not complying with the
Speaker 4: civil rights laws that the money that the federal government
Speaker 4: gives it come attaxed with. They always come with strings.
Speaker 4: And in fact, this has been law for forty years.
Speaker 4: If you are a university that is not abiding by
Speaker 4: civil rights laws, according to a case called Bob Jones
Speaker 4: University versus the United States, you are not allowed to
Speaker 4: get a tax exemption.
Speaker 3: You're also not allowed to get federal funding.
Speaker 4: So Harvard, if it's you know, if it wants to
Speaker 4: continue not abiding by federal civil rights laws, it is
Speaker 4: free to not take federal money. I don't understand why
Speaker 4: my pocket has to get picked. And April fifteenth was
Speaker 4: tax day in the end United States.
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing why.
Speaker 4: My my money needs my pocket needs to get picked
Speaker 4: to go subsidize a place that is biased against Jews,
Speaker 4: white Americans, Asian Americans. And again I'm not sure. I'm
Speaker 4: not kind of throwing these things out there. There was
Speaker 4: a Supreme Court last year that found that Harvard was
Speaker 4: discriminating against.
Speaker 3: Asians in admissions. That's done the due process has happened.
Speaker 3: That's an established fact.
Speaker 4: And Harvard, of course, as Democrats tend to do, is
Speaker 4: massively resisting attempts to force it to comply with civil
Speaker 4: rights laws. And now the hammer comes down. That's that's
Speaker 4: that's how it is. There is a huge infrastructure of leftists,
Speaker 4: not only in the United States but around the world, non
Speaker 4: governmental organizations funded by American taxpayers, mostly at doing tasks
Speaker 4: that our counter to the interests of the United States.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's the president of the United States. He's not
Speaker 4: citizens of the world. Okay, he's not a he's not
Speaker 4: a representative of some new world order. He is the
Speaker 4: President of the United States. And I expected president of
Speaker 4: the United States to act in the interests of the
Speaker 4: United States of America. I expect the president of Ukraine
Speaker 4: to act in the interests of Ukraine. I expect the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister of New Zealand to act in the interests
Speaker 4: of New Zealand.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: And that's a change that would be nice. Yes, I
Speaker 2: heard somebody refer to you as the writing king of x.
Speaker 2: Could you explain how how you became the writing king
Speaker 2: of X.
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, I started on exd boys sixteen years ago.
Speaker 4: I was a stand up comic. I I liked writing
Speaker 4: pithy jokes. The part about LAW that I liked was
Speaker 4: writing pithy briefs. Some people like crossword puzzles, people like Sudoku.
Speaker 4: For a long time, I liked writing jokes. There's a
Speaker 4: structure to jokes. There's a formed of writing jokes. If
Speaker 4: you read my columns, you'll see I write in essentially
Speaker 4: stand up comic.
Speaker 2: Uh oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And and I find I find Twitter mentally stimulating. It's fun,
Speaker 4: and I like I like talking to people. I like
Speaker 4: arguing with people. I like making points, I like learning things.
Speaker 4: I like videos about cute otters rolling around in the water.
Speaker 4: I just love everything about X. It allows you to
Speaker 4: participate in the marketplace of ideas in a way that
Speaker 4: was never possible before. Of course, Andrews de Brype are
Speaker 4: huge visionary for X. He knew that X was going
Speaker 4: to be something huge. But you know, I've had I've
Speaker 4: had conversations with the Vice President and state on X.
Speaker 3: Also met him in person.
Speaker 4: He's another Ohio guy like me h and a great guy,
Speaker 4: wonderful guy, brilliant guy.
Speaker 3: His wife's even smarter.
Speaker 4: But you know it gives you a chance to really
Speaker 4: participate in your own culture, in your own politics.
Speaker 3: The stink you want to I think that's great.
Speaker 2: You say, his wife's even smarter. I think every man
Speaker 2: should every man should have a smarter wife.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, he's certainly does and he is a smart cat.
Speaker 3: Do not be fooled.
Speaker 4: Here's this idea that Americans who don't live on the
Speaker 4: coast are a bunch of flat jaws and yokuls who
Speaker 4: are just waiting to ambush innocent canoeists. That that is
Speaker 4: very much not true. You know, go find a Texas
Speaker 4: cattleman and see if you can out negotiate him.
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 4: And he makes no apologies for coming from a very
Speaker 4: tough air a Appalachia. And then he he conquered you know,
Speaker 4: he he met the standards of the United States Marines,
Speaker 4: which are very high. He went to Yale Law School,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, super prestigious, and held his own.
Speaker 4: Then he went to Silicon Valley, held his own there,
Speaker 4: became a senator, became Vice President of the United States,
Speaker 4: and there's you know, there's this underlying bigotry against him
Speaker 4: as kind of uppity because he didn't know his place,
Speaker 4: and that just makes people like him more.
Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Of dynamics in America that I think are hard for
Speaker 4: folks who aren't.
Speaker 3: Americans to see.
Speaker 4: And I had the advantage of living overseas quite frequentized
Speaker 4: station in Europe two and a half three years once
Speaker 4: and then a year and a half a year or
Speaker 4: so another time, and I spent time over in Ukraine
Speaker 4: and stuff. So I had a little and I married
Speaker 4: an immigrant. My wife escaped casters Cuba and her family did,
Speaker 4: so I think I have a little different perspective than
Speaker 4: a lot of Americans, because you know, America is so
Speaker 4: big you you really don't have to leave it to
Speaker 4: see pretty much every facet of the world. But I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people looking in America from the
Speaker 4: outside don't fully get some of the nuances of our politics,
Speaker 4: especially the kind of social class and cultural one.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you there's a picture of you on on
Speaker 2: the website. I think it's I think it's on the
Speaker 2: town hall side with you and your wife. You're looking
Speaker 2: at each other and my wife. My wife came by,
Speaker 2: looked over my shoulder and said, oh, he's good looking,
Speaker 2: And I said not as good looking as his wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw. Sorry, I am such a Los Angelus
Speaker 3: lawyer I married.
Speaker 4: She was a model for a while. I literally married
Speaker 4: a model. That is the most Los Angeles lawyer stereotype possible.
Speaker 2: I am that show and you have and you have
Speaker 2: been happy ever since.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and we just finished a book together. We
Speaker 4: just wrote a novel together. It's gonna come out on
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth called Los Angeles Silver Bullets on the
Speaker 4: Sunset Strip, kind of a noir forties Raymond Chandler esque novel.
Speaker 4: It's just so much fun to write, and we did
Speaker 4: it together. We have a great cover artist, as all
Speaker 4: my covers, so we just had the experience.
Speaker 3: Of doing that. It was just I mean, it's really
Speaker 3: been a it's been nice.
Speaker 2: Well, as long as you've raised it, let's carry on
Speaker 2: with the with the book topic, because I have a
Speaker 2: copy of The Attack, and I think you wrote this
Speaker 2: on your own. I did from the author of Weeks
Speaker 2: from the the Will, I read a book once. It
Speaker 2: took me two years from the author, from the author
Speaker 2: of the People's Republic series The Attack. Now it's described
Speaker 2: as fripening only one description. Give us a give us
Speaker 2: a quick brief because it's not on it's not on sale.
Speaker 2: It's not on sale here, and I think it arguably
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 4: I I wrote it right after October seventh, uh, because
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I'm I'm concerned. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I'm retired army colonel's strategic Studies degree. I'm in contact
Speaker 4: with a lot of military people. I still talk to
Speaker 4: a lot of folks doing military things. We had a
Speaker 4: wide open border, and we had lots of enemies, and
Speaker 4: we the United States and I think other countries too,
Speaker 4: as we've seen, are extremely vulnerable to mass attack, to
Speaker 4: asymmetrical attacks, them hitting us at our weak point designed
Speaker 4: to break our spirit. The Attack Talks is essentially an
Speaker 4: oral history. It has about twenty five chapters each an
Speaker 4: individual who experienced some piece of a giant three day
Speaker 4: attack by thousands of jaha is supported by outside governments
Speaker 4: who use the weaknesses of the United States to literally
Speaker 4: murder as many Americans as they can with the idea
Speaker 4: of breaking our spirit. Now, I don't think that would
Speaker 4: break America's spirit. I think you would see America react
Speaker 4: with a cold fury that would make chill the spine
Speaker 4: of gageous con But We are a tremendously vulnerable country,
Speaker 4: but we're also a tremendously tough country, and we're a
Speaker 4: country that's ready to protect itself.
Speaker 3: While I am in Texas. I'm in Texas right now.
Speaker 4: Every time I walk out the door, I have a
Speaker 4: nine millimeter pistol on my hip unless I'm going to
Speaker 4: a bar, every single time in case something happens. California
Speaker 4: has a little different gun laws. It's kind of a
Speaker 4: fascist state. We'll fix it and then I'll carry there.
Speaker 4: But we are unbelievably vulnerable, and our government, by leaving
Speaker 4: our border open, let pretty much anybody in, and if
Speaker 4: you get them in at a very low cost, with
Speaker 4: minimal intelligence, minimal logistics, minimal command and control, you could
Speaker 4: launch a devastating attack that would kill tens of thousands
Speaker 4: of Americans.
Speaker 3: And that's what the attack's about. It is I wanted
Speaker 3: to write it. I wrote like Sir John Hackett.
Speaker 4: General Sir John Hackett wrote The Third World War back
Speaker 4: in I think nineteen eighty, and that was a huge
Speaker 4: book that made people look at NATO again and say,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, we're not ready for the Soviets. And
Speaker 4: I did in the same style the oral history style,
Speaker 4: create a character in one place to give you a
Speaker 4: piece of it. So it's not a Thetan Death March
Speaker 4: of statistics, numbers and rhetoric.
Speaker 3: I tried to make it the story.
Speaker 5: Of men and women, moms, dads, eric and you, repairman, comps, medics,
Speaker 5: all of them.
Speaker 4: What part of this did they experience? What does that
Speaker 4: tell you about the vulnerabilities as a whole? And of
Speaker 4: course the of course, one of the things is a
Speaker 4: B two bomber pilot who leads America's revenge against the
Speaker 4: country that plans. And you know, we lost three thousand
Speaker 4: people on nine to eleven, and we killed hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousands of people. If they killed tens of thousands of us,
Speaker 4: our enemies ought to be very, very frightened.
Speaker 2: I just flicked through the book while you were talking
Speaker 2: and came across chapter twenty one, which is set in Houston.
Speaker 2: There is a there is a development taking place in Texas.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's in Dallas rather than Houston,
Speaker 2: although it could be could be wrong.
Speaker 3: I think it's near Waco.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm talking about, Yes, I know what.
Speaker 3: You're talking about.
Speaker 4: It is a town that essentially is being built to
Speaker 4: operate under Sharia law essentially, and it's a foothold in
Speaker 4: Texas as a municipality, and that can't be allowed to happen.
Speaker 4: Now there's one law, it's our constitution. We don't have
Speaker 4: two laws. We don't have two dual tracks. One of
Speaker 4: the problems in the United States is we got away
Speaker 4: from something that made us great, which is when you
Speaker 4: come here, you shed who you are and you become
Speaker 4: an American.
Speaker 3: I don't care where you came from.
Speaker 4: A guy who came from Nigeria's as much an American
Speaker 4: as a guy who came from Stuttgart right or in
Speaker 4: in my family's case, Bavaria.
Speaker 3: But some people got away from that.
Speaker 4: And one of the great things about America is we
Speaker 4: thought of ourselves as Americans first. You know, for a
Speaker 4: long time, if you went up to a white American,
Speaker 4: you would say, well, what are you? And in lots
Speaker 4: of other countries, and I was in Coastavot, so I
Speaker 4: know a little about Balkanization, walk up to what are you?
Speaker 4: We're on an American? Well you have white skin, and
Speaker 4: so what you know. My grandfather came from Midland. I
Speaker 4: have a great pasta recipe what's that now?
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 4: I mean we had I remember in the California and
Speaker 4: the National Guard a reserve unit down near Mexico. We
Speaker 4: had a whole tank unit that operated in Spanish on
Speaker 4: the radio. Super super patriotic, all American guys. They just
Speaker 4: happened to speak Spanish and we were Americans first. And
Speaker 4: when we got away from that, that really began. I mean,
Speaker 4: this was the American miracle. I mean, when I was
Speaker 4: in Costa, Though, you would go to a village of Albanians,
Speaker 4: who are mostly Muslim, about ten percent of Christian. Mother
Speaker 4: Teresa came from Albania. You you would in the next
Speaker 4: village over would be Serbian.
Speaker 3: And they've been together, they lived next to.
Speaker 4: Each other in peace for one hundred and fifty two hundred,
Speaker 4: three hundred, five hundred years. And then Melissa that came
Speaker 4: in decided he was going to push a racialization agenda,
Speaker 4: and pretty soon those Albanians and those serves were butchering
Speaker 4: each other, butchering their neighbors. It was inconceivable to us
Speaker 4: as Americans, and we've got to do everything we can
Speaker 4: to stop that. How do you You've got to be American,
Speaker 4: you can't be anything else.
Speaker 2: How do you interpret that? I mean, you've had you've
Speaker 2: had I would suggest vast experience on the waterfront. How
Speaker 2: would you describe and explain the willingness and the quickness
Speaker 2: of people to turn on each other and sort of
Speaker 2: sort of the other lot.
Speaker 4: It's throughout history, that's what human beings have done. In
Speaker 4: a way, America and some of the other in some
Speaker 4: of our countries have beaten history. You know, they managed
Speaker 4: to get beyond it. It wasn't we weren't faded to
Speaker 4: do it. We could be better. Sure, there are always problems,
Speaker 4: you know, New Zealand has has its own racial problems.
Speaker 4: We certainly have ours. But the solution to those problems
Speaker 4: is Pluber's una out of many one.
Speaker 3: And that's that's what we have to do. There's no
Speaker 3: other way.
Speaker 4: You cannot You cannot have baltimization without hatred. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4: History teaches us that, So we have to make a
Speaker 4: conscious choice to minimize. You know, I have relatives who
Speaker 4: came from Scotland. That all that needs to be is
Speaker 4: a fun fact in my life. I don't need to be,
Speaker 4: you know, militantly Scottish.
Speaker 3: I'm American, and that's that's really what we've got to
Speaker 3: get back to here in.
Speaker 2: The unit sty Well, you're really you're really an Italian
Speaker 2: Scottish American.
Speaker 3: Well I'm I'm not Italian.
Speaker 4: I am a percent German or Scottish and one percent Pannonian.
Speaker 4: And I think back in the day of like Tiberius
Speaker 4: or maybe Trajan, So some guy from the Balkans got assigned.
Speaker 3: To a legion up in up in Germany.
Speaker 4: And that's that's the one percent of my bloodbed's Balkans.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the headline. I don't know whether you
Speaker 2: familiar with Michael Snyder. No, he's a he's a religious man,
Speaker 2: but he's a realist. And I came across FIW years
Speaker 2: ago and the well I just stuff drops into my
Speaker 2: box along with a million others. But occasionally I get
Speaker 2: attracted by a headline. The US dollar is crashing and
Speaker 2: our reserve currency status is in serious jeopardy? Is this
Speaker 2: being done by design? Got a thought?
Speaker 4: I no, America. I think America is just he a
Speaker 4: reserve currency because we are we are strong and free
Speaker 4: despite our many problems. And I although there's a little
Speaker 4: chaos and upsetting the world order right now, it's all
Speaker 4: going to fade.
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, you.
Speaker 4: Know, most Americans, because of something called a four oh
Speaker 4: one k are invested in the stock market. Right you
Speaker 4: can invest tax free and that becomes retirement money. And
Speaker 4: I am like everybody else, and nobody wants to look
Speaker 4: at the nobody wants to look at their accounts online
Speaker 4: while the stock market's going through turmoil, turmoil, But America
Speaker 4: is it's hard to express it. In the nineteen eighties
Speaker 4: under Ronald Reagan, you had an explosion of American prosperity
Speaker 4: and just optimism and we were all out there going, man,
Speaker 4: we can just do anything. And that, you know, went
Speaker 4: through the nineties nine to eleven happened the Wall Street crash. Obama,
Speaker 4: who didn't promote that, he was not a real American cheerleader,
Speaker 4: but Donald Trump started bringing that back.
Speaker 3: First term. Biden kind of put a brake on it.
Speaker 4: But I think I can feel that, and I see
Speaker 4: evidence the Americans are ready to work. Americans are ready
Speaker 4: to get back out there and have a great economy again,
Speaker 4: to have another.
Speaker 3: Golden age like we did in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's weird that there's a whole generation
Speaker 4: unless you were like forty. You were never an adult
Speaker 4: when America was really hitting on all eight cylinders.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sixty. I grew up.
Speaker 4: It never occurred to me ever that I could not
Speaker 4: do or be whatever I wanted to be now as Californian.
Speaker 4: So we have that positive attitude, but it never occurred
Speaker 4: to me I couldn't do what I wanted to do,
Speaker 4: and I've been able to do. I built a law firm,
Speaker 4: I got to have a career active in reserve in
Speaker 4: the army. I could be a stand up I could
Speaker 4: write best selling books.
Speaker 3: I could be on the media.
Speaker 4: I did it, and that's it's that's same optimism, and
Speaker 4: I you know, we want to get back to that,
Speaker 4: and I think America is ready to do it. So
Speaker 4: I think I think America is going to do it.
Speaker 4: I think when the economic stuff, the reordering shapes out,
Speaker 4: I think we're going to see America back and very strong.
Speaker 4: Remember Trump has a huge incentive for economic success.
Speaker 3: He has literally.
Speaker 4: Got to do it and got to get things kicking
Speaker 4: before November twenty sixth, when we have midterm elections to
Speaker 4: re elect the House to representatives and thirty three of
Speaker 4: our senators thirty three or one hundred, and he's got
Speaker 4: to win in twenty twenty eight, and we saw what
Speaker 4: happens when he loses. If the left gets power, they
Speaker 4: will attempt to frame him again. And at least one
Speaker 4: leftist and we don't know about the other guy, but
Speaker 4: we know one was an active leftist tried to murder
Speaker 4: it and ended up murdering one guy wounding a couple others.
Speaker 4: So for Trump, he's really gotten a life and death
Speaker 4: incentive for him and his family. I I think we're
Speaker 4: I think the United States is going to get back
Speaker 4: uh to becoming the economic engine uh it was, and
Speaker 4: I think it's going to uh. I think our friends
Speaker 4: around the world are going to uh share uh share.
Speaker 3: That with us.
Speaker 2: I'm quoting from from one of the one of your books,
Speaker 2: The People's Republic.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, and.
Speaker 2: You want to explain that.
Speaker 4: People's Republic is the series of eight books about the
Speaker 4: United States that has split into into a red and
Speaker 4: a blue that is a conservative and a leftist uh
Speaker 4: countries and uh it uh it involves a red operative
Speaker 4: who goes into the leftist countries and shows what happens
Speaker 4: if America essentially becomes a giant college campus.
Speaker 3: Uh and uh.
Speaker 4: You know it's funny in part, lots of action, lots
Speaker 4: of humor, but it's scary too because there are some
Speaker 4: fault lines in America and they, you know, they could
Speaker 4: break over into violence. Some Hamasque loving scumbag tried to
Speaker 4: burn the Jewish family of the governor of Pennsylvania live
Speaker 4: the other day. They's broke in and threw firebombs in
Speaker 4: his house. Yeah, And like I said, people try to murder.
Speaker 4: The president did murder one American citizen who was simply
Speaker 4: exercising his right to be at a political rally. They
Speaker 4: blew his head off. The human capacity for violence is
Speaker 4: never that far beneath the surface, and People's Republic talks
Speaker 4: about what happens when it bubbles up.
Speaker 2: So the cride from the book, and I've chosen this
Speaker 2: especially for I think obviously a mutual interest. The voice
Speaker 2: of the television announceder warned that the climate change crisis
Speaker 2: was once again just one year away from reaching the
Speaker 2: point of no return, and urged the largely pedestrian citizen
Speaker 2: ry to continue to reduce their collective carbon footprint full
Speaker 2: stop butt and explain the butt what comes next?
Speaker 3: God, there's so much.
Speaker 4: I don't even remember that line, but it certainly sounds
Speaker 4: like something I would write. I find the whole climate
Speaker 4: change thing to be a bizarre manifestation of a pagan
Speaker 4: religion at best, and a cheesy attempt to take money
Speaker 4: and power from normal people through an abuse of science.
Speaker 4: I have been told since I was a kid we
Speaker 4: were on the verge of doo. We were gonna have
Speaker 4: a population explosion that never worked out. We were gonna
Speaker 4: have an ice age that didn't work out. We were
Speaker 4: going to be boiled alive because the ozone layer was gone.
Speaker 4: That didn't work out. We're going to be melted by
Speaker 4: acid rain that didn't know how.
Speaker 3: And then we have been five years away from.
Speaker 4: Climate heat or oh look, global warming armageddon, and of
Speaker 4: course that was We've had that for about thirty years.
Speaker 4: And then then when it became obvious that wasn't go
Speaker 4: work out, it became climate change. And as a lawyer
Speaker 4: I really respected because when you have clime, when you
Speaker 4: talk about climate change, literally anything the climate does except
Speaker 4: stay perfectly static, proves your point. It's like the perfect argument.
Speaker 4: As a lawyer, I really admire it. I mean, it's nonsense,
Speaker 4: but I do admire it. And I've noticed that climate
Speaker 4: change inevitably involves me becoming less free to do what
Speaker 4: I want and me giving up money and power to
Speaker 4: other people. There's I have searched high and low for
Speaker 4: one thing to remedy climate change that makes me more freer,
Speaker 4: or be freer, or more.
Speaker 3: Cross for us.
Speaker 4: And of course the point is to make me less
Speaker 4: free and less prosperous, because then I'll be a more
Speaker 4: willing surf.
Speaker 2: Over this period of time that we're discussing, you could
Speaker 2: start with, well, I'm thinking nine to eleven, but we'd
Speaker 2: have to go back a bit further actually, But through this,
Speaker 2: let's say the last three to four decades, do you
Speaker 2: think that human nature has changed?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, human nature won't change, which is why it is
Speaker 4: so important to read history and think about history. You know,
Speaker 4: one of the great hopeful signs to me was a
Speaker 4: meme from not long ago. It says the average man
Speaker 4: thinks about the Roman Empire two or three times a day,
Speaker 4: and I thought that's terrific. I mean, it's a good start,
Speaker 4: but you know, you also want to think about ancient Greece.
Speaker 4: Do you want to think about more modern things? You want
Speaker 4: to think about work thrift. You want to think about,
Speaker 4: you know, the smooth Holly terrorists. You want to think
Speaker 4: about the voice of Magella. You want to think about history,
Speaker 4: because history teaches you how people are. And I found that,
Speaker 4: you know, there are two things that'll tell you about
Speaker 4: human nature better than anything else, which is history and
Speaker 4: the Bible. Now, even if you're not religious, if you
Speaker 4: read the Bible, the actions of human beings are that
Speaker 4: it depicts are so archetypal that if you come to
Speaker 4: an understanding of what they're talking about in there, you're
Speaker 4: going to understand how people operate, particularly the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: I suppose it all really started for most people at
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. But over a period of time I
Speaker 2: suggested to people that if you don't understand biblical history,
Speaker 2: you'll never understand what the issues are in the Middle East.
Speaker 4: Correct that it is so strange that, you know, so
Speaker 4: many modern people think that history began, you know, thirty
Speaker 4: years ago, forty years ago, and we don't exactly have
Speaker 4: a crystal ball, but we've got a template that is history,
Speaker 4: and you can look at it and you can see
Speaker 4: how things works out. And sometimes it's scary, but sometimes
Speaker 4: it provides a hopeful path. But nine to eleven really
Speaker 4: knocked the United States out of its complacency and it
Speaker 4: got back to America's roots. You gotta understand some about America.
Speaker 4: We came to a continent dominated by indigenous people of
Speaker 4: various levels of savage rate. We just found another altar
Speaker 4: of Aztecs for butchering children. But you know, the indigenous
Speaker 4: American Indians weren't particularly you know, nice people either, and
Speaker 4: we fought our way across it and conquered it. America
Speaker 4: is a country that is very, very tough. It's really
Speaker 4: what we call JACKSONI and after Andrew Jackson. I don't
Speaker 4: want to fight, but if I fight, I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna kill everybody you ever met. And then
Speaker 4: I'm going to come home so I don't have to
Speaker 4: fight anymore. And unfortunately we got misguided after nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: I'm a big believer in punitive expeditions. We should have
Speaker 4: gone in Afghanistan and killed everybody who had anything to
Speaker 4: do with it, destroy their infrastructure, and make them use
Speaker 4: the name American to scare children for the next one
Speaker 4: hundred generations.
Speaker 3: But then we should have left.
Speaker 4: We didn't, and a lot of Americans die by the way.
Speaker 4: I want to thank New Zealand for its contribution. I
Speaker 4: know that at least one SAS soldier won the Victoria
Speaker 4: Cross who was a New Zealander.
Speaker 3: The bravery of New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Soldiers is legendary, and we American soldiers recognized and respected
Speaker 4: so well.
Speaker 2: If you asked, if you asked virtually anybody here at
Speaker 2: the moment, what's the standard about our defense forces, they
Speaker 2: probably cry, well.
Speaker 4: Say here, we're rebuilt at Pete Hagsath is our new
Speaker 4: Secretary of Defense infantry officer. He's you either want a
Speaker 4: guy who's a number cruncher or a guy is a killer.
Speaker 4: Right now we need a killer. He's a killer. We're
Speaker 4: going to get back. I don't look the American spirit
Speaker 4: that made us who we are, which includes our ability
Speaker 4: to fight wars, is not dead. I'm no expert on
Speaker 4: New Zealand, but I would expect that in times of trouble,
Speaker 4: the New Zealanders will rise to the standards that New
Speaker 4: Zealanders have always risen to. Again, New Zealanders are New
Speaker 4: Zealand soldiers are very well respected by Americans. If you're
Speaker 4: a professional Soldier Australia and New Zealand. Those guys are top,
Speaker 4: top notch.
Speaker 2: And then we need to do it kick stout again.
Speaker 2: I think I want to, I want to want to
Speaker 2: transfer attention to the law in many respects. I mean,
Speaker 2: I made some comments to three weeks back regarding and
Speaker 2: I think I quoted a bit too, the Agony of
Speaker 2: John Roberts. Yes, written by yourself, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was an extremely good I'm looking I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the pink and the green markings that
Speaker 2: I like as my code. It's all green normally, and
Speaker 2: then if it's pink, it's it's extra important.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And you, I mean, you tell the story of John
Speaker 2: Roberts from your perspective, which I think is pretty much
Speaker 2: pretty much on target. So in the last in the
Speaker 2: last two weeks, maybe even three, since since you wrote this,
Speaker 2: has Roberts redeemed himself at all.
Speaker 4: A little bit for your listeners. The United States Constitution sets.
Speaker 3: For three branches.
Speaker 4: Article one is the legislature, Article two is the executive.
Speaker 3: Article three is the courts. And they are.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be coequal, but they're not quite. They check
Speaker 4: and ballt each other The courts, of course, don't have
Speaker 4: an army and they can't enforce anything. The executive, course
Speaker 4: is commander in chief of the military, has federal law enforcement.
Speaker 4: The legislative has the power of the purse power to
Speaker 4: pass laws. The court can only issue rulings, and then
Speaker 4: the Article two guys, the executive has to enforce them. Well,
Speaker 4: we're having a fight between Article two the executive president
Speaker 4: and Article three the courts. And the problem now is
Speaker 4: you have district courts. You have the way we go
Speaker 4: as district courts, they're the ones who i know, the
Speaker 4: trials for everything. There's the second level, which is the
Speaker 4: appellate level. There's eleven or twelve of those, and they
Speaker 4: handle appeals. The Supreme Court handles about forty or fifty
Speaker 4: cases from the courts of appeals or state courts, which
Speaker 4: is a whole different thing every year. So the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court's not out there, you know, being the Hindu god
Speaker 4: that's pulling all the levers. It does a few things
Speaker 4: to kind of set a standard, and then the lower
Speaker 4: courts are supposed to follow. But we have a lot
Speaker 4: of district court judges who are appointed by Biden who
Speaker 4: do not have judicial modesty and are exceeding the proper
Speaker 4: scope of their authority to impinge on the ability of
Speaker 4: the executive to act. And we're having a fight over it.
Speaker 4: People say it's a constitutional crisis. No, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4: We're having a fight over it. We're having a fight
Speaker 4: in the courts. You know, Trump administrations complying with orders
Speaker 4: right now, passively, aggressively in some cases.
Speaker 3: But complying with them.
Speaker 4: But one of the texts and balances for the executive
Speaker 4: is to simply say it's an implied one. But you
Speaker 4: can simply say no, it's not like you can send
Speaker 4: a division to troops that don't make me.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4: And the courts always have to understand that John Roberts
Speaker 4: is the Chief Justice of Supreme Court, is responsible for
Speaker 4: trying to keep the power of the courts, which is
Speaker 4: really based on its own moral authority. And a lot
Speaker 4: of these district courts are blatantly making procedural and substance
Speaker 4: rulings that are frankly ridiculous. Now, I litigate in federal
Speaker 4: and state courts for thirty years. I've argued in front
Speaker 4: of the courts with you. I never argued in from
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. But this is not an alien world
Speaker 4: to me. I do look at what's happening now, and
Speaker 4: it is crazy. It is not the standard law that
Speaker 4: I practice for thirty years. A lot of it's just
Speaker 4: frankly nuts and politically results driven. And this is a
Speaker 4: fight that we have to have and we have to solve.
Speaker 4: And at the end, the courts could come out with
Speaker 4: a lot less power and authority if they squander it.
Speaker 4: John Roberts needs to get his branch acting within its
Speaker 4: proper role. And if he doesn't, at some point, Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2: Going to say no.
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump's going to have and Donald Trump's going
Speaker 4: to do it on the eighty side of an eighty
Speaker 4: percent issue. He's not going to do it on something
Speaker 4: this controversial. He's gonna do this somewhere. Most Americans are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, we shouldn't be
Speaker 4: giving five hundred thousand dollars to support Ecuadorian transgender mind troops.
Speaker 4: And normal people are going to go, well, if the
Speaker 4: court tells them he has to do that, what good
Speaker 4: are the courts? And then John Roberts's brands is going
Speaker 4: to have a problem. So we're gonna have to work
Speaker 4: this out.
Speaker 2: But well, you keep saying we're going to have to
Speaker 2: work it out. But it's the it's the justices of
Speaker 2: the Serene Court, the nine of them that really have
Speaker 2: to have to do it, because if they don't do it,
Speaker 2: if he doesn't come, if he doesn't wake up and
Speaker 2: do what he's responsible for, then all hell could break loose,
Speaker 2: could it?
Speaker 4: Well that that that's true, I guess I'm looking at
Speaker 4: it in the sense of all.
Speaker 3: Americans have got to you know.
Speaker 4: The responsibilities on those nine, but all Americans have got
Speaker 4: to get together and say, wait a minute, we want
Speaker 4: a system that works, and the only way we have
Speaker 4: a system that works is if everybody honors their obligations.
Speaker 3: And many of the disreports aren't doing that.
Speaker 4: The problem is there are a lot of Americans who
Speaker 4: support ignoring the norms and guard rails. They keep the
Speaker 4: Constitution humming along.
Speaker 3: And I talk about it a lot, the.
Speaker 4: New rules that there's a special exception for Donald Trump
Speaker 4: to the norms and customs and rules that we usually practice.
Speaker 3: He's so bad, We've got to do something different. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no.
Speaker 4: If you really want to preserve the system, when somebody
Speaker 4: bad comes along, you use the system rigorously, You honor
Speaker 4: every norm, and that's the best way to deal. If
Speaker 4: you get rid of all the norms, don't expect unilateral disarmament.
Speaker 4: Like I said, rep used to be about winning the argument.
Speaker 4: Now they're about winning the fight. And there's a reason
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: What about big law the situation that we're still developing,
Speaker 2: I guess of the big law firms that Trump's been well,
Speaker 2: the thej I guess, has been targeting, some say because
Speaker 2: of what they did to him prior to in losing
Speaker 2: the election in twenty twenty, or the previous election, if
Speaker 2: you like. But these law firms seem to be compounding.
Speaker 2: My understanding is, and you tell me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: is that it started with a forty million contra deal
Speaker 2: with one big law firm. It's now developed to the
Speaker 2: point where the combination of all the law firms reputedly
Speaker 2: are doing work for the government for nothing amounting to
Speaker 2: a billion dollars. You know, Is that good or bang?
Speaker 4: A lot of these A lot of these big law firms.
Speaker 4: The big law firms are very powerful. They do a
Speaker 4: lot of the highest level work for corporation. They do
Speaker 4: a lot of work with the government, decided to do
Speaker 4: something that was, you know, at the time, seemed like
Speaker 4: a good idea, which is.
Speaker 3: Get involved in politics.
Speaker 4: Well, their side lost, and Donald Trump is addressing a
Speaker 4: lot of the issues that they got away with for
Speaker 4: a long time, including civil rights stuff they were not
Speaker 4: you know, they were discriminating and hiring for instance. He's
Speaker 4: pressing them on that. He is taking security clearances away
Speaker 4: from folks who have some shenanigans, particular about the Russia
Speaker 4: Gates stuff. Trump is the guy who does not hesitate
Speaker 4: to use his power against his opponents. Democrats have never
Speaker 4: hesitated to do that. This is a new thing and
Speaker 4: a lot of these law firms are suddenly figuring out, Wait,
Speaker 4: maybe it was a bad.
Speaker 3: Bet to go in on one side.
Speaker 4: Folks who didn't get involved in politics aren't having a problem.
Speaker 4: Folks who chose to get in politics they're having a problem.
Speaker 4: Is this is this what I love to see? No,
Speaker 4: I was against this when they wanted to change the
Speaker 4: rules and start getting involved in politics. I thought it
Speaker 4: was a bad idea. I said you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: They said, no, we have a short term advantage. We're
Speaker 4: going to grab it and I said, don't be surprised
Speaker 4: if the new rules apply to you, and they're applying
Speaker 4: the only Look, I'm a big believer in mutually assured
Speaker 4: distruction and game theory.
Speaker 3: The only way you never win.
Speaker 4: By giving up and letting somebody's misconduct be rewarded, you
Speaker 4: make it so painful for them that they either change
Speaker 4: back to the old norms, which I would prefer, and
Speaker 4: if they don't, at least my enemy didn't get away
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 2: So two wrongs don't make it right. That's a line
Speaker 2: that somebody would would throw about a situation like this.
Speaker 3: The question is is it a wrong because it's the rule.
Speaker 4: If the rule is you can use your political power
Speaker 4: against your opponents, that's not a rule I want, But
Speaker 4: that's the rule that exists when I have different rules.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do I think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 4: I think in general it's a bad idea, But I
Speaker 4: think the unilateral disarmament's worse.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it is.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't stick a bayonet in somebody's gut
Speaker 4: as a general rule, but sometimes it's say they're a
Speaker 4: Nazi and you're coming up a beach at Normandy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you stick a baynn in somebody's gut. Sometimes you got
Speaker 4: to play hardball with folks. I didn't want this game.
Speaker 4: This wasn't my choice. I didn't pick the rule set,
Speaker 4: but I don't intend to lose.
Speaker 2: So what's the connection then, between what's what we're discussing
Speaker 2: and the Constitution.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, dal Trump's not doing anything that
Speaker 4: I see that violates the Constitution. There are some some
Speaker 4: of the things he wants the schools to do to
Speaker 4: comply with the civil rights laws that exist and are constitutional.
Speaker 4: I think there are some good faith debates there about
Speaker 4: whether some of his demands are appropriate, particularly regarding some
Speaker 4: of the departments.
Speaker 3: But overall, overall.
Speaker 4: What he's doing is within the bounds of the Constitution.
Speaker 4: The Constitution is not like a foundational mad lib. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you have mad libs in New Zealand,
Speaker 4: but you kind of like fill in the blanks with
Speaker 4: whatever you want.
Speaker 3: The Constitution's not like that.
Speaker 4: The Constitution says specific things, it doesn't say. It doesn't
Speaker 4: mean whatever you think is best. It means what it means,
Speaker 4: and I think he is abiding by the Constitution.
Speaker 3: We did have one.
Speaker 4: Notable error where a guy with a order not to
Speaker 4: be removed Al Salvador. He was an alleged wife beater,
Speaker 4: if you believe his wife's testimony under penalty of burgery,
Speaker 4: who had been ordered removed after two or three hearings.
Speaker 4: He got Sentel Salvador. He wasn't supposed to go to
Speaker 4: El Salvador. He could have gone anywhere else because I'm.
Speaker 3: In to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Not that you go on him.
Speaker 4: But that was a mistake, and there's a big fight
Speaker 4: going on over that, and the Supreme Court unanimously said, look,
Speaker 4: the guy's got to get some sort of doe process.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Well in a related case.
Speaker 4: So look, he's there's always constitutional arguments.
Speaker 3: I think you make.
Speaker 4: Those arguments, and if Trump's wrong, you know, you tell
Speaker 4: me he's wrong. If he's not wrong, then that's the
Speaker 4: power he has under our Article two.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who decides, Well, the first.
Speaker 4: Guy at his sight should be Trump in that he
Speaker 4: should not ask for things that are manifestly unconstitutional.
Speaker 3: And we've had a problem with that.
Speaker 4: We had Barack Obama and his executive branch, for instance,
Speaker 4: empower folks to censor speech by going to things like
Speaker 4: Facebook and stuff and saying silence this guy. Massive First
Speaker 4: Amendment violation. This is a huge issue. So the first
Speaker 4: thing you do is you honor your oaths. You never ask,
Speaker 4: you never allow your branch to do something that you
Speaker 4: believe is clearly unconstitutional. There are other things where you
Speaker 4: can have legitimate debates about it.
Speaker 3: That's where the courts come in. And the courts need to.
Speaker 4: Not reflexively vote in the way of the political party that.
Speaker 3: Nominated them to the post.
Speaker 4: They need to look at each issue individually, look at
Speaker 4: the existing law, apply common sense and the normal canons
Speaker 4: of judicial interpretation and come to a ruling, and then
Speaker 4: the Court of Appeal needs to do it. And then
Speaker 4: if it gets the Supreme Court, Supreme Court needs to
Speaker 4: do and if you do it fairly and you do
Speaker 4: it honestly, And a good test is, you know, did
Speaker 4: a liberal judge across the across the aisle of vote
Speaker 4: with conservatives?
Speaker 3: Did conservatives across the oud of vote with liberals. That's a.
Speaker 4: Good indicator that they're actually, you know, trying to think
Speaker 4: these things through rather than just voting on pure politics.
Speaker 4: The courts will be respected and you know, to have
Speaker 4: a democracy, and of course America is a republic. I know.
Speaker 4: I know that, but we'll call it a democracy because
Speaker 4: people do for shorthand if you're to have a democracy,
Speaker 4: you have to accept that you can lose. The key
Speaker 4: to democracy is not what you can do. It's how
Speaker 4: you react when you don't get your way. And if
Speaker 4: you think your country is legitimate. You know, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, when you don't win on something,
Speaker 4: you say, look, I was heard. I had a fair
Speaker 4: chance to make my point. The people or the uh
Speaker 4: you know, the tools of the people where an article one,
Speaker 4: two or three looked at it and it came and
Speaker 4: it came to a decision. It's contrary, but I can
Speaker 4: accept that because I was heard and my voice was heard.
Speaker 4: And democracy is not a problem a promise I always
Speaker 4: get my way. It's a promise that we will have
Speaker 4: forms and structure to protect my right to participate in
Speaker 4: my own government.
Speaker 2: Talking of disagreements in the legal sphere, Letitia James, the
Speaker 2: New York Attorney General, I can only I can only
Speaker 2: say that it's it's a rarity to find such a
Speaker 2: nasty piece of work. But she ran her campaign when
Speaker 2: when she ran for the for the job on the
Speaker 2: back of loocking Trump up forever, and she lost that one.
Speaker 2: She tried the hardest, but she made it very difficult
Speaker 2: and still hangovers from it. It looks like she's that
Speaker 2: she's guilty of some corruption herself. Take it from there.
Speaker 4: Well, Letitia James essentially manufactured a civil suit against Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's companies involving loans and valuations of properties, and there
Speaker 4: was a trial from a judge who, frankly, to my view,
Speaker 4: seems biased.
Speaker 3: That's up on a he got hit for like four
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. That is.
Speaker 4: Ridiculous in my view. It's up on appeal. I think
Speaker 4: he'll be thrown out on appeal.
Speaker 3: But you were correct.
Speaker 4: She ran on a platform of I'm going to find
Speaker 4: something to sue Donald Trump about.
Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about new rules.
Speaker 4: That's a really dumb new rule to have, particularly if
Speaker 4: you have problems with your own mortgage issues. It is
Speaker 4: a federal crime to lie on a mortgage application. There
Speaker 4: is evidence from others, and I'm all, this's allegations.
Speaker 3: She has a right to a trial.
Speaker 4: I'm not presuming she's guilty, but the allegations are that
Speaker 4: she lie in significant ways that saved her significant money
Speaker 4: multiple times and bizarrely, long after the Statue of Limitations,
Speaker 4: or long since long before the Statue of limitations, we've
Speaker 4: run she represents herself as being married to her father
Speaker 4: to get loans, which is just freakish. In any case,
Speaker 4: these are federal crimes. The Department of Justice is the
Speaker 4: news flash, is about ninety seven percent conviction rate. He
Speaker 4: usually doesn't take cases it's going to lose, I would
Speaker 4: expect because one of the houses was in Virginia, and
Speaker 4: a federal crime can be charged anywhere the crime was committed.
Speaker 4: While she's a New Yorker, I think there is a
Speaker 4: decent chance. Maybe they do the Northern District. I don't
Speaker 4: know if yeah, I think Northern District of New York
Speaker 4: or the Eastern District of Virginia. They're not gonna do
Speaker 4: this Southern District of New York, which is New York City.
Speaker 4: But you go, the Department of Justice will find a
Speaker 4: favorable venue, a favorable place where they think they have
Speaker 4: a good jury pool that would be disinclined to have
Speaker 4: sympathy for her, and they're going to charge her with
Speaker 4: multiple felonies. Charger with mail fraud, wire fraud, various types
Speaker 4: of fraud, and of course, mortgage fraud, and she could
Speaker 4: go to jail for years, and politicians have gone to
Speaker 4: jail for years, And I just think it's you know,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna go after a guy who's president for
Speaker 4: some sort of loan shenanigans, you better make sure your
Speaker 4: loans are perfect down to the tee. You better have
Speaker 4: your accountants go over them three or four times each. Okay,
Speaker 4: she's not a smart lady, but I think this was arrogance.
Speaker 4: I think when she decided that the new rule would
Speaker 4: be I'm going to use the power of my political
Speaker 4: office solely to go an attempt to punish by creating
Speaker 4: and she did create these charges against Trump. They are
Speaker 4: ridiculous ever bred brought against Aby before.
Speaker 3: Like I said, they'll be thrown out on appeal.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, you you need to understand that those
Speaker 4: rules are going to get applied to you.
Speaker 3: And apparently some group went out got her.
Speaker 4: Stuff, took a look at it and said, hey, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, she's lied, and uh uh, it's now been
Speaker 4: referred to the Department of Justice. And I expect she'll
Speaker 4: be charged, and I expect you'll be convicted, and I
Speaker 4: expect she.
Speaker 2: Will go to jail couldn't happen to a NASA woman.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know, if you don't want none, don't start
Speaker 4: None is the uh is the expression?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: If she just said, Hey, if Donald Trump does something wrong,
Speaker 4: I'll prosecute him.
Speaker 3: And if he doesn't do anything wrong, I.
Speaker 4: Won't everybody go oh okay, but no, no, she had
Speaker 4: to make that the therapiece of her campaign.
Speaker 3: Oh well, but is that hoisted on your note her
Speaker 3: own petard?
Speaker 2: As they say, as they say, I just want to
Speaker 2: touch finally on Iran. I watched I watched Jack Keen
Speaker 2: on television yesterday, the general retired general talking about the
Speaker 2: nuclear talks with Iran, which seemed to be seemed to
Speaker 2: be underway at some level between America and Iran. What
Speaker 2: chance do you think? Oh? By the way, Keen had
Speaker 2: no hesitation in saying that he thought that the Iranians
Speaker 2: were lying through their teeth and that they wouldn't fulfill
Speaker 2: the promises that were the deal that they were discussing.
Speaker 2: What chance would you put on a serious fighting war
Speaker 2: with Iran?
Speaker 4: Well, it wouldn't really be a war with Iran. It
Speaker 4: would be a very one sided things. Remember, in the
Speaker 4: conservative movement there were a lot of people who were
Speaker 4: burned very very heavily about the War on Terror, and
Speaker 4: they saw it mishandled. They saw a lot of Americans
Speaker 4: and Allies killed and named without a strategy, without a plan.
Speaker 4: And you know, there is an anti war strain through
Speaker 4: the conservative American the Republican Party, largely because it's mostly
Speaker 4: Republicans who go fight right, you know. You know, there
Speaker 4: are not a lot of not a lot of liberal
Speaker 4: Democrats from you know, Harvard and Princeton out there on
Speaker 4: the front lines. I was until I became a reservist,
Speaker 4: where all the senior officers are fairly successful businessmen. I
Speaker 4: probably I came from a normal suburban family, as my
Speaker 4: mom was a.
Speaker 3: Judge, so maybe I wasn't that normal.
Speaker 4: But I was always one of the more affluent guys
Speaker 4: in the that I knew, and it was my guys
Speaker 4: who paid the price. So there's there's an anti war thing.
Speaker 4: But that said, Iran took our hostages in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 4: We lost eight guys at Desert One trying to rescue them.
Speaker 4: They killed hundreds of Americans in Beirut bombings. They killed hundreds,
Speaker 4: maybe thousands of Americans in their way, and my feeling
Speaker 4: about the Mulas is they all have to die, you
Speaker 4: know they we taught. I mentioned people think about the Romans.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 4: The Romans didn't tolerate that stuff. I don't see why
Speaker 4: Americans should. If you kill Americans, you need to die.
Speaker 4: They cannot get nuclear weapons, they will use them, and
Speaker 4: that has to be stought. So my choice, and it
Speaker 4: is not the choice to some of my friends. For instance,
Speaker 4: Jad Dance is reputed to be very against it.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 4: Pete haggs Backs, who I support, is rumored to be
Speaker 4: against it. I don't know what counsel is given the president.
Speaker 4: Guys like Tucker Carlson, who I've met and I respect
Speaker 4: a lot. Though I disagree with them about some things,
Speaker 4: I disagree with them about this too. I am all
Speaker 4: forgetting with Israel and conducting a comprehensive campaign to completely
Speaker 4: annihilate both the nuclear weapons capability of the Iranians and
Speaker 4: Thera leadership.
Speaker 3: I would kill all the mall as I could.
Speaker 4: I would wipe out their Republican guard and their security
Speaker 4: apparatus to the Persian people can throw these semi humans dictators,
Speaker 4: yoke off their back and become the great and prosperous
Speaker 4: people they should be. The United States, particularly Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: has benefited greatly by the number of Persians who escaped
Speaker 4: and came over. And these are wonderful people who deserve
Speaker 4: to be free, and I think we should help them.
Speaker 3: But we need to take out there.
Speaker 4: We need to take out their capacity to create nuclear
Speaker 4: weapons and do ballistic missiles and pay them back for
Speaker 4: murdering Americans.
Speaker 3: It's important to set a marker. If you kill an.
Speaker 4: American, just you know, make sure your affairs in order,
Speaker 4: because we're going to get you, and we're going to
Speaker 4: get everybody around you. So you might want to send
Speaker 4: the family off somewhere else. And I have I make
Speaker 4: no bones about that. This is a you know you,
Speaker 4: if you're going to fight, you need to be serious.
Speaker 4: That's the hallmark of Jacksonian foreign policy. Get in there
Speaker 4: and win hard so that they never even dream of
Speaker 4: messing with you again. A good example is Japan, where
Speaker 4: both both my grandparents were on navy ships in the
Speaker 4: Pacific when.
Speaker 3: That war ended.
Speaker 4: I right now, we have a correlation of forces over there.
Speaker 4: We have b two bombers in position, we have two
Speaker 4: carrier task forces, and this is all public information. I'm
Speaker 4: not giving you anything secret therapalistic missile subs or cruise
Speaker 4: missile subs, and the Israelis are ready to go. I say,
Speaker 4: wipe out, wipe it out, get it done. That that
Speaker 4: would be my vote. And if I was advising the president,
Speaker 4: that's why i'd say. Of course, I'm not the president.
Speaker 4: I didn't win an election. The trust isn't in me.
Speaker 4: All I can do is give my best best advice
Speaker 4: if asked, and that would be my best advice.
Speaker 2: Is well, I have to say, you've given us a
Speaker 2: very good advice at opinion over the last eighty minutes,
Speaker 2: and it's been most enjoyable. I thank you, and I
Speaker 2: invite you to return at some stage.
Speaker 4: I would be happy to return anytime. I've really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: You man, you know, if you're representative of the kind
Speaker 4: of level of a discourse that New Zealand has, congratulations
Speaker 4: because that's that's that's sure impressive, because I think we've
Speaker 4: talked about some important things.
Speaker 2: Thank you, good, thank you. Here we are for a
Speaker 2: podcast two hundred and eighty one in the mailroom, missus producer.
Speaker 2: Are you comfortable, I'm great.
Speaker 6: Well comfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a very hard chair, same chair you
Speaker 2: sit on every weekend. Never complained this week It's hard.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Okay, let me lead, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind. On this occasion from Gatherine, salutations lately, after
Speaker 2: all these years, a number one fan of your ZEBB
Speaker 2: nine to twelve show makes contact. I loved those days
Speaker 2: when they were never complete without hearing your latest renderings
Speaker 2: on the news of the moment. I went into a
Speaker 2: state of complete decline for a significant time after you
Speaker 2: retired from that position. I always felt missus producer led
Speaker 2: you to consider new perspectives on life. There was hope.
Speaker 2: So when I went through a period of disillusionment at
Speaker 2: your seeming to be stuck in the old paradigm, when
Speaker 2: there seemed to be no recognition at the beginning of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty of the propaganda that we were being fed,
Speaker 2: when we were being assaulted from every quarter, I had
Speaker 2: to turn to the US and UK for my updates
Speaker 2: and information. Then I noticed your more recent guest list
Speaker 2: and began listening again, and my faith in your judgment
Speaker 2: has returned. It is so so wonderful to see because
Speaker 2: you are and have always previously been an important truth
Speaker 2: slash fact teller. I take that as a compliment I
Speaker 2: would if I were you in terms of the whole
Speaker 2: COVID debarcle. I do understand that my advantage has been
Speaker 2: a background as an nz RM and midwife, had a
Speaker 2: keen interest in what was to become a nightmare of
Speaker 2: a time to look back on, but also realizing that
Speaker 2: the repercussions are ongoing and still very current with the
Speaker 2: health crisis that we are now experiencing turbo cancers, myocarditis,
Speaker 2: in Barmer's clots, autoimmune issues, to name just a few.
Speaker 2: I was deeply suspicious early on that the mRNA biowarfare
Speaker 2: population control therapy should not be used, let alone mandated.
Speaker 2: I agree it would have been acceptable to target vulnerable
Speaker 2: groups and to use it for them, especially at the
Speaker 2: beginning when there were so many unknown factors to consider.
Speaker 2: Doctor Robert Malone and doctor Peter mccullor and doctor Pier
Speaker 2: Corey with voices I heard early on, the authorities did
Speaker 2: all sorts of things pre twenty twenty in preparing or
Speaker 2: in preparation for their plan. This included changing the definition
Speaker 2: of the word vaccine to incorporate this new and poorly
Speaker 2: tested platform, mRNA. This product should be called genetic therapy.
Speaker 2: Many people still do not understand this. And as she writes,
Speaker 2: a whole lot more in bullet points so it doesn't
Speaker 2: become too long and winded. And here's the first one
Speaker 2: or two. And there are so many truth tellers now
Speaker 2: in independent media into and people are starting to wake up.
Speaker 2: Podcasts are such a great medium, and I enjoy being
Speaker 2: able to hear exactly what is said, but also to
Speaker 2: watch the body language. Well, let's if you've got podcasts
Speaker 2: with pictures, which they were never meant to me. Podcasts
Speaker 2: originally were audio, and so we stay with the tradition.
Speaker 2: Maybe missus producer can talk me around as something. Secondly,
Speaker 2: mainstream media, both here and internationally, is over and I
Speaker 2: find it impossible to stomach their lives and half truths
Speaker 2: on politics and to watch and know what mouthpieces they
Speaker 2: are specifically for the left wing political parties, or maybe
Speaker 2: that should be that they are for the left wing
Speaker 2: political parties. TV and Z and The Herald have not improved,
Speaker 2: and every mention of President Trump is still negative as
Speaker 2: it has been since twenty sixteen. I do still have
Speaker 2: a brief daily update from my Fox favorite hosts, and
Speaker 2: to keep up with the current state of play, but
Speaker 2: don't hang on their every word. We will leave politics
Speaker 2: there and stay with COVID, and she makes mention of
Speaker 2: Guy Hatchett, who was right on the money.
Speaker 6: Laden Jin says, I always thought that New Zealand politics
Speaker 6: was boring compared to American politics. A Luxe and Hipkins
Speaker 6: debate pales into comparison to a Trump Biden debate. Recently,
Speaker 6: I was on a family holiday and Australia and I
Speaker 6: turned into a leader's debate between Albanese and Dutton just
Speaker 6: to get a feel of what the Australian political landscape
Speaker 6: was like. And boy, to my surprise, I found that
Speaker 6: Australian politics was even more boring than New Zealand politics.
Speaker 6: Both Albow and Dutton struggled to articulate any inspiring vision.
Speaker 6: As Nick Kata said in Your podcast, we knew Obama
Speaker 6: clearly stood for woke, while Trump stood for anti woke.
Speaker 6: With Albo and Dutten, I had no idea which either
Speaker 6: of them really stood for in their debate. Quadrant Magazine's
Speaker 6: Peter Smith gave a pretty good explanation in his short
Speaker 6: article The Dripping wet alternative. He said Labour offers a
Speaker 6: road to ruin and the Libs and Gnats seemingly same roads,
Speaker 6: lower speed. He gave a long list of Albanesi's failures
Speaker 6: and provided a reason why Albo might still prevail despite
Speaker 6: leading the most inact government in recent history. Concluded by saying,
Speaker 6: essentially it comes down to the absence of an opposition
Speaker 6: party with conviction and courage. The Libs Wet through and
Speaker 6: through inspire very few. It's time to start inspiring. Dutton
Speaker 6: needs to inspire Australians or he will leave Australians with
Speaker 6: a Labour Greens government. The twenty twenty five Australian election
Speaker 6: will prove whether the Ossies have learned anything from their
Speaker 6: Kiwi neighbors our greatest mistake of electing a Labour Greens government,
Speaker 6: which ushered in six years of national pain.
Speaker 2: The aforementioned Peter Smith is an expat by the way,
Speaker 2: I think comes from the Hawks Bay region, but I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. It's onny a loose memory that tells
Speaker 2: me that okay from Gerald. My wife is presently reclaiming
Speaker 2: our office room at home after many years of it
Speaker 2: becoming a storage place for nothing. We need.
Speaker 4: Later.
Speaker 2: Hello, that sounds just like you. Look around and tell
Speaker 2: me what there is here that is not needed.
Speaker 6: Don't get me started, not in this room. Oh you
Speaker 6: don't even get me started.
Speaker 2: You couldn't whilst filling our recycling bin with what now
Speaker 2: is unwanted paperwork? Is she noticed with interest promises written
Speaker 2: twenty years ago by the National Party. Initially we found
Speaker 2: the words amusing. However, within minutes I became frustrated, then
Speaker 2: annoyed that our society is still fighting the same issues today.
Speaker 2: I'm sure similar frustrations have already been aired. However, wish
Speaker 2: to share our findings with you, if only to start
Speaker 2: a conversation with your listeners as to why obvious failing
Speaker 2: standards are continuing to be our country's biggest challenge. I
Speaker 2: look forward to any feedback, if any, to my question.
Speaker 2: Or is it going to be easier to ask Trump
Speaker 2: to consider New Zealand as their fifty first state instead
Speaker 2: of Canada? And by the way, I so enjoy your
Speaker 2: interviews and commentary, Hence I have been for some time
Speaker 2: now an enthusiastic advocate for your podcast. Keep it up.
Speaker 2: Best wishes, Gerald from the NAKI.
Speaker 6: Leighton David says, I've just finished listening to your episode
Speaker 6: two eighty and I'm communicating with you about the study
Speaker 6: on the intelligence of vaccine adherents. Both my older brothers
Speaker 6: made the decision to get vaccinated for COVID. Both have
Speaker 6: done well in their lives. The oldest was ducks of
Speaker 6: his high school and came top in his years at
Speaker 6: Forestry School at Canterbury University. He has had multiple jabs,
Speaker 6: five or six and isn't quite sure. The second, as
Speaker 6: an embsc in computer science, has worked in various parts
Speaker 6: of the world undertaking time for companies using software. He wrote,
Speaker 6: he has had at least two jabs. Both are retired
Speaker 6: and live a very comfortable life regardless of doses. This
Speaker 6: spares out the research by Ofir and scharraz I warned
Speaker 6: them not to take the jab where it could have
Speaker 6: serious consequences, but what would I know. I'm only a
Speaker 6: conspiracy theorist. Big Farmer have captured many, many people. The
Speaker 6: aforementioned brothers chose to hand over their health to buy
Speaker 6: and large incompetent doctors and corrupt corporations rather than investigate
Speaker 6: and make lifestyle changes. Tis a funny thing, this intelligence.
Speaker 2: It's from David. David interesting. I like hearing family stories
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 6: I've just had my second shingles chab yesterday.
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 6: I did not enjoy it. Actually, I think I reacted
Speaker 6: a little bit to both of them. But I'm quite
Speaker 6: happy that I've had that you are, And in fact,
Speaker 6: I only read this morning that there is new research
Speaker 6: that reckons that an unan tended consequence of that particular
Speaker 6: vaccination could be a relatively good resistance to dementia.
Speaker 2: They reckon.
Speaker 6: Now anyway, it's done. It's in my arm, which is
Speaker 6: throbbing like crazy, even after eighteen hours.
Speaker 2: Just going back to the Naki because what I didn't
Speaker 2: do was refer to what he'd actually he said a
Speaker 2: picture of one of the things that they've been that
Speaker 2: they found reading. And it's a bit difficult in the
Speaker 2: reproduced form. But National is in the process of formulating policies.
Speaker 2: As you will be aware, we have pledged an end
Speaker 2: to race based policies and to get tough on crime.
Speaker 2: There will be no backtracking on our commitment to ensure
Speaker 2: that all New Zealanders, regardless of race, treated equally under
Speaker 2: the law. We will end the race based absurdities and
Speaker 2: political correctness which will otherwise condemned this country to a
Speaker 2: Pacific backwater. But we need to address issues in education
Speaker 2: that means that many of our youngsters leave school unable
Speaker 2: to read and write properly and undertake basic mathematics. We
Speaker 2: have urgent demands for new roads, but politically correct legislation,
Speaker 2: thanks to Labor and the Greens, stops the bulldozers from
Speaker 2: being started. Our streets in many areas are unsafe, and
Speaker 2: police do not have the resources to respond quickly to burgeries.
Speaker 2: And it goes on. I just thought a bit about
Speaker 2: our streets are unsafe after that murder that took place
Speaker 2: in Saint John's a few days ago. So finally from Jered.
Speaker 2: It was Gerald previously. This is Jered late and as
Speaker 2: you will read, I started as email after hearing your
Speaker 2: podcast with Muriel Newman. Once I started, I kept coming
Speaker 2: back to it with more thoughts, ideas and suggestions. I
Speaker 2: would like to think that you will find them interesting,
Speaker 2: although you may not agree with them all or any
Speaker 2: of them. I've been meaning to drop you a line
Speaker 2: for quite a while now, but listening to your not
Speaker 2: so recent interview with Muriel Newman has prompted me to
Speaker 2: get on with it and strike while the iron is hot.
Speaker 2: Chris Luxen and National are sticking to their knitting and
Speaker 2: think that if they get the economy back on track,
Speaker 2: then they'll be voted in for a second term. Wrong,
Speaker 2: says Gered. They're not addressing the one issue that concerns
Speaker 2: most New Zealand is over thirty with IQs that actually
Speaker 2: reach double digits, the Treaty of Waitangi and all its encumbrances.
Speaker 2: Neither have they learnt from Comrades Clark and a Dern.
Speaker 2: Those two put all the unpopular laws, rules and regulations
Speaker 2: and bills into play as soon as they were in power.
Speaker 2: It gave the voters three years or so to accept
Speaker 2: or forget about them. I'm in my early seventies and
Speaker 2: was born into a socialist country post World War II.
Speaker 2: The country was relatively isolated from the rest of the world,
Speaker 2: and we the citizens were insulated or detected from all
Speaker 2: the negatives experienced by other countries in the world, especially
Speaker 2: Europe and the devastation experienced there during the war. My
Speaker 2: country was rock solid, no overseas debt, very little crime.
Speaker 2: No one needed to lock doors. We slept with the
Speaker 2: windows open. Mainly in houses that would today be considered
Speaker 2: very low standard, if not condemned. Men worked, women stayed home,
Speaker 2: looking after the house and brought up the children. Divorce
Speaker 2: was difficult to get and people were brought up to
Speaker 2: make the right choice of partner, as it was generally
Speaker 2: accepted that marriage was for a lifetime. Christianity in all
Speaker 2: its forms, were the country's religion, but that didn't stop
Speaker 2: atheists from practicing their calling. Respect was throughout society. Schools
Speaker 2: existed to educate children and were non political. We voted
Speaker 2: in the government and just trusted them to get on
Speaker 2: with the job. If we didn't like them, they paid
Speaker 2: the price. Three years later. Politics were stable as it
Speaker 2: was a first past The post system was paramount. I
Speaker 2: seem to remember something along those lines. The final settlement
Speaker 2: of the Treaty of the Treaty was paid to the
Speaker 2: Mary Queen in I think nineteen thirty eight, and it
Speaker 2: was the princely sum of over eight hundred thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: The media was politically neutral and its functions were to
Speaker 2: tell the truth, give a balanced story, and protect the
Speaker 2: English language. The country's second main religion was rugby, and
Speaker 2: when the All Blacks played the only conversation for the
Speaker 2: week before was the coming game, and he goes on
Speaker 2: for some considerable length and it runs into twenty pages.
Speaker 2: I only printed the first four wow, twenty pages, but
Speaker 2: it was a good effort, Jared, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: keep those twenty pages. I have already filed them, but
Speaker 2: I might refer to them from time to time. So
Speaker 2: thank you, missus, producer, thank you latent. Thanks you may depart,
Speaker 2: I shall and see you next week. You will. So
Speaker 2: it's not for any particular religious reason that I'm going
Speaker 2: to quote what is coming. It's more for the geopolitical
Speaker 2: aspects of the papacy, and it needs to be recognized
Speaker 2: that the Papacy of the Vatican has a geopolitical role
Speaker 2: that it plays rightly or wrongly. I was tempted to
Speaker 2: quote from Paul Williams book Operation Gladio, the Unholy Alliance
Speaker 2: between the Vatican and the Cia and the Mafia. However,
Speaker 2: this is appropriate because of the death of Pope Francis
Speaker 2: and where the papacy goes from here. So it's a
Speaker 2: letter of the Holy Father Francis to the bishops of
Speaker 2: the United States of America, and it was written on
Speaker 2: February ten of this year, Dear brothers of the Episcopate,
Speaker 2: I'm writing today to address a few words to you
Speaker 2: in these delicate moments that you're living as pastors of
Speaker 2: the people of God who walk together in the United
Speaker 2: States of America. And then follows ten points. The journey
Speaker 2: from slavery to freedom that the people of Israel traveled,
Speaker 2: as narrated in the Book of Exodus, invites us to
Speaker 2: look at the reality of our time so clearly marked
Speaker 2: by the phenomenon of migration, as a decisive moment in
Speaker 2: history to reaffirm not only are faith in a God
Speaker 2: who is always close incarnate, migrant and refugee, but also
Speaker 2: the infinite and transcendent dignity of every human person. Now,
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee the accuracy of some of the writing,
Speaker 2: but I present it as it's written. Point two. These
Speaker 2: words with which I begin are not an artificial construct.
Speaker 2: Even a cursory examination of the Church's social doctrine emphatically
Speaker 2: shows that Jesus Christ is the true Immanuel and refers
Speaker 2: to Matthew one twenty three. He did not live apart
Speaker 2: from the difficult experience of being expelled from his own
Speaker 2: land because of an imminent risk to his life, and
Speaker 2: from the experience of having to take refuge in a
Speaker 2: society of the culture foreign to his own. The Son
Speaker 2: of God, in becoming man, also chose to live the
Speaker 2: drama of immigration. I like to recall, among other things,
Speaker 2: the words with which Pope Pius the twelfth began his
Speaker 2: Apostolic Constitution on the Care of Migrants, which is considered
Speaker 2: the magna carta of the Church's thinking on migration, and
Speaker 2: it goes like this. The family of Nazareth in exile, Jesus,
Speaker 2: Mary and Joseph, emigrants in Egypt, and refugees there to
Speaker 2: escape the wrath of an ungodly king, are the model,
Speaker 2: the example, and the constellation of emigran and pilgrims of
Speaker 2: every age and country, of all refugees of every condition,
Speaker 2: who beset by persecution or necessity, are forced to leave
Speaker 2: their homeland, beloved family and dear friends for foreign lands.
Speaker 2: Number three. Likewise, Jesus Christ, loving everyone with a universal love,
Speaker 2: educates us in the permanent recognition of the dignity of
Speaker 2: every human being without exception. Note that without exception, in fact,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you did in fact, when we speak of
Speaker 2: infinite and transcendent dignity. We wish to emphasize that the
Speaker 2: most decisive value possessed by the human person surpasses and
Speaker 2: sustains every other juridical consideration that can be made to
Speaker 2: regulate life in society. Thus, all the Christian faithful and
Speaker 2: people of goodwill are called upon to consider the legitimacy
Speaker 2: of norms and public policies in the light of the
Speaker 2: dignity of the person and his or her fundamental rights,
Speaker 2: not vice versa. Number four. I have followed closely the
Speaker 2: major crisis that's taking place in the United States with
Speaker 2: the initiation of Now number four gets to the grips
Speaker 2: of what I think he's driving it. I have followed
Speaker 2: closely the major crisis that is taking place in the
Speaker 2: United States with the initiation of a program of mass deportations.
Speaker 2: The rightly formed conscience cannot fail to make a critical
Speaker 2: judgment and express its disagreement with any measure that tacitly
Speaker 2: or explicitly identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality.
Speaker 2: At the same time, one must recognize the right of
Speaker 2: a nation to defend itself and keep community safe from
Speaker 2: those who have committed violent or serious crimes while in
Speaker 2: the country or prior to arrival. That said, the act
Speaker 2: of deporting people who, in many cases have left their
Speaker 2: own land for reasons of ex extream poverty, insecurity, exploitation, persecution,
Speaker 2: or serious deterioration of the environment damages the dignity of
Speaker 2: many men and women, and of entire families, and places
Speaker 2: them in a state of particular vulnerability and defenselessness. Number five.
Speaker 2: This is not a minor issue. An authentic rule of
Speaker 2: law is verified precisely in the dignified treatment that all
Speaker 2: people deserve, especially the poorest and most marginalized. The true
Speaker 2: common good is promoted when society and government, with creativity
Speaker 2: and strict respect for the rights of all, as I
Speaker 2: have affirmed on numerous occasions, welcomes, protects, promotes, and integrates
Speaker 2: the most fragile, unprotected, and vulnerable. This does not impede
Speaker 2: the development of a policy that regulates orderly and legal migration. However,
Speaker 2: this development cannot come about through the privilege of some
Speaker 2: and the sacrifice of others. What is built on the
Speaker 2: basis of force and not on the truth about the
Speaker 2: equal dignity of every human being begins badly and will
Speaker 2: end badly. Number six. Christians know very well that it's
Speaker 2: only by affirming the infinite dignity of all that our
Speaker 2: own identity as persons and as communities reaches its maturity.
Speaker 2: Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interest that
Speaker 2: little by little extend to other persons and groups. In
Speaker 2: other words, the human person is not a mere individual
Speaker 2: relatively expansive with some philanthropic feelings. The human person is
Speaker 2: a subject with dignity, who, through the constitutive relationship with all,
Speaker 2: especially with the poorest, congradually mature in his identity and vocation.
Speaker 2: The true audo amorus that must be promoted is that
Speaker 2: which we discover by meditating constantly on the parable of
Speaker 2: the good Samaritan, that is, by meditating on the love
Speaker 2: that builds a fraternity open to all without exception. Number seven.
Speaker 2: But worrying about personal community or national identity apart from
Speaker 2: these considerations easily introduces an ideological criterion that distorts social
Speaker 2: life and imposes the will of the strongest as the
Speaker 2: criterion of truth. Number eight. I recognize your valuable efforts,
Speaker 2: dear brother bishops of the United States, as you work
Speaker 2: closely with migrants and refugees, proclaiming Jesus Christ and promoting
Speaker 2: fundamental human rights. God will richly reward all that you
Speaker 2: do for the protection and defense of those who are
Speaker 2: considered less valuable, less important, or less human. Nine I
Speaker 2: exhort all the faithful of the Catholic Church and all
Speaker 2: men and women of good will, not to give in
Speaker 2: to narratives that discriminate against and cause unnecessary suffering to
Speaker 2: our migrant and refugee brothers and sisters. With charity and clarity.
Speaker 2: Were all called to live in solidarity and fraternity, to
Speaker 2: build bridges that bring us ever closer together, to avoid
Speaker 2: wars of ignominy, and to learn to give our lives
Speaker 2: as Jesus Christ gave his for the salvation of all.
Speaker 2: And finally, number ten, let us ask our Lady of
Speaker 2: Guadaloupe to protect individuals and families who live in fear
Speaker 2: or pain due to migration and or deportation. May the
Speaker 2: Virgin Moreener, who knew how to reconcile peoples when they
Speaker 2: were at enmity, grant us all to meet again as
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters within her embrace, and to take a
Speaker 2: step forward in the construction of a society that is
Speaker 2: more fraternal, inclusive and respectful of the dignity of all
Speaker 2: fraternally Francis from the Vatican, ten February twenty twenty five. Now,
Speaker 2: there's been one particular case that's had plenty of publicity
Speaker 2: over the last week or so, and it is the
Speaker 2: true story, sadly, of the thirty seven year old mother
Speaker 2: of five who was assaulted, bashed, raped, slaughtered, not just killed,
Speaker 2: slaughtered by an illegal immigrant, who, having seen him in
Speaker 2: court pictures, seems to be totally unbothered by what he's
Speaker 2: been charged with. Now, the question, if I were able
Speaker 2: to interview by Francis, the question would be, so, where
Speaker 2: does your dignity for everybody without exception go for this one?
Speaker 2: How do you handle that? And he'd likely say, well,
Speaker 2: there are obvious exceptions that you have to take into
Speaker 2: account of, something along those lines. And the response is, well,
Speaker 2: you take into you've got an attitude that everybody, everybody
Speaker 2: is titled to the same level of dignity. What about
Speaker 2: the next time another case comes up that's similar but
Speaker 2: not as bad, So you extend it, and so you
Speaker 2: extend it again and again, and before you know it,
Speaker 2: the tyrannical judiciary has taken over, and there's no such
Speaker 2: thing as dignity for anybody. Well, it's a sound argument,
Speaker 2: might take a while, but it nevertheless is the way
Speaker 2: that things generally unfold. So on that note, please if
Speaker 2: you'd like to write to us Latent at NEWSTALKSB dot
Speaker 2: co dot nz or Carolyn at NEWSTALKSNB dot co dot nz.
Speaker 2: We love getting a correspondence. We will respond accordingly until
Speaker 2: next time. For what is at two eighty two. We
Speaker 2: shall leave you in peace and say thank you for listening,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk soon.
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