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Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and eighty one for April

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Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty twenty five. This podcast is into its

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Speaker 2: seventh year, which I struggle to comprehend for a variety

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Speaker 2: of reasons, but one of the rewards. One of the

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Speaker 2: highlights of doing it is discovering individuals who are unknown,

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Speaker 2: in introducing them to you and in many cases to myself,

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Speaker 2: and in other cases they are unfamiliar with us sort of.

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Speaker 2: There are two forms of media that are booming at

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Speaker 2: the moment, columnists and podcasts. Columists have been at it

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Speaker 2: for hundreds of years, podcasts not so much. But there's

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Speaker 2: one essential aspect that is applicable to both that render

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Speaker 2: them valuable. Independence. Independence as in unencumbered by overlords, independence

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Speaker 2: as in expressing what you think, not fitting into a

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Speaker 2: mainstream keral. Kurt Schlichter is an interesting man, as we'll

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Speaker 2: discover shortly and I have read his columns on and

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Speaker 2: off for a period of time, but it occurred to

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Speaker 2: me more recently that we needed somebody of his ilk

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Speaker 2: in this country who could write about local things in

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Speaker 2: somewhat the same manner, and adorned on me that that

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Speaker 2: individual probably exists. And I want to give you an example.

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Speaker 2: Readers of this blog have long known about our frustration

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Speaker 2: with Wellington's lack of action by career bureaucrats over practically

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Speaker 2: every important issue facing New Zealand. The pointless Party has

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Speaker 2: continued under national Take the latest Treasury report, for example,

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Speaker 2: it's called Teyara Makapuna twenty twenty five Consultation on the

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Speaker 2: Draft Content of the Treasury's Long Term Insights Briefing Sustainable

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Speaker 2: and Resilient Physical Policy through Economic Shocks and Cycles. With

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Speaker 2: a long winded title like that, the report is bound

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Speaker 2: to be nonsense, and so it is. What's the point

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Speaker 2: of this one hundred and eleven page exercise in stupidity?

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Speaker 2: The new Secretary Treasury sums it up when he says,

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Speaker 2: we hope this briefing will encourage New Zealanders to talk

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Speaker 2: about whether we are leaving enough in the public purse

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Speaker 2: for future New Zealanders. How exciting is that all talk,

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Speaker 2: no action. The nation is fed upwards talking and debating.

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Speaker 2: It's fed up with Finance Minister Willis saying that she

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Speaker 2: is taking advice on every single issue because she has

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Speaker 2: no plan and no clue about economics and finance. Why

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Speaker 2: is the Treasury Secretary being paid to talk all day?

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Speaker 2: Why was he even hired? Now this is from Robert

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Speaker 2: McCulloch from Auckland University and he's been writing columns now

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Speaker 2: under the title or under the address of down to

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Speaker 2: Worth Kiwi or down to Worth dot Kiwi. Anyway he

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Speaker 2: goes on, I recommend finding this yet another rubbish Treasury

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Speaker 2: report in your bim. It's a waste of one million

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Speaker 2: dollars of taxpayer money. It reads like a first year

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Speaker 2: macroeconomics textbook. Why didn't Finance Minister Willis by Principles of

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Speaker 2: Economics by Greg Mann? I can't pronounce this guy's lam.

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Speaker 2: I don't know m A n kiw manky mank you

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Speaker 2: for ninety dollars rather than ask Treasury to write an

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Speaker 2: imbasilically patronizing version of it. It provides not one solution

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Speaker 2: to the primary underlying question posed by the report, namely

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Speaker 2: how to avoid New Zealand's long term physical challenges stemming

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Speaker 2: from population A. He concludes this particular commentary, I remember

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Speaker 2: visiting the Treasury to present the plan together with Sir

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Speaker 2: Roger Douglas. We were scheduled to meet the then Treasury

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Speaker 2: Secretary at around nine am, and our earlier one of

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Speaker 2: Then they called back and said he could make the meeting.

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Speaker 2: The Treasury never cited our article and never gave a

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's rising death and deficits. All it does is talk.

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Speaker 2: All it wants us to do is talk. All the

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Speaker 2: thought him pretty much on a par with today's guest.

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Speaker 2: Close anyway, Now, at the back end of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: after the mail Room with Missus producer, I've included a

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Speaker 2: message that Pope Francis said to his bishops in America

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Speaker 2: and it is a it's a targeted message and it

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Speaker 2: has to do with migration, and I think you'll find

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Speaker 2: doctor if systems persist. Farmer Broker Auckland Kurt Schlichter is

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Speaker 2: an interesting man with a background from which he built

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Speaker 2: a character. He served in the military, retiring in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: pretty much quote this. In two thousand and nine, Andrew

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Speaker 2: Breitbart recruited him personally to write I believe on Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: Big big Hollywood. How did he approach you? By the way,

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Speaker 4: I've inn all over the world. New Zealand's on my list.

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Speaker 4: I know. All I know about New Zealand is you

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Speaker 4: had magnificent fighting forces and the Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 2: Well, we know how to sink ships too, especially our own,

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Speaker 4: The story, I do know the story, and it's a

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Speaker 4: And one day somebody from law school said, you've got

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Speaker 4: If they're doing good things to Yatta, say that, and

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Speaker 4: He looked terrible, and I said, Andrew, you gotta take

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Speaker 4: well he was poison and everything. Come on, I saw Andrew,

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Speaker 4: he was not put He worked himself to death. He

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Speaker 2: Who would you who would you say? Who would you

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, it's funny because there are hundreds of us

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Speaker 4: who came from Andrew, Brian, Ben Shapiro, Larry.

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Speaker 3: O'Connor, My gosh. In two thousand and nine, the.

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Speaker 4: Three of us were doing an hour long radio internet

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Speaker 3: He inspired so many people, but no one's like him.

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Speaker 3: There's not one guy who's adding out a vision.

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Speaker 4: We're all running along in our various ways fulfilling his vision.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's very hard.

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Speaker 4: He was the equivalent of the the internet, equivalent of

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Speaker 2: I read. I read an opinion piece earlier today. It

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Speaker 2: And I said not as good looking as his wife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw. Sorry, I am such a Los Angelus

440
00:26:00,373 --> 00:26:01,173
Speaker 3: lawyer I married.

441
00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:04,413
Speaker 4: She was a model for a while. I literally married

442
00:26:04,413 --> 00:26:07,693
Speaker 4: a model. That is the most Los Angeles lawyer stereotype possible.

443
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,253
Speaker 2: I am that show and you have and you have

444
00:26:11,373 --> 00:26:12,613
Speaker 2: been happy ever since.

445
00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:17,253
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and we just finished a book together. We

446
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,653
Speaker 4: just wrote a novel together. It's gonna come out on

447
00:26:19,693 --> 00:26:23,613
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth called Los Angeles Silver Bullets on the

448
00:26:23,653 --> 00:26:28,613
Speaker 4: Sunset Strip, kind of a noir forties Raymond Chandler esque novel.

449
00:26:28,893 --> 00:26:31,893
Speaker 4: It's just so much fun to write, and we did

450
00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:34,773
Speaker 4: it together. We have a great cover artist, as all

451
00:26:34,773 --> 00:26:38,893
Speaker 4: my covers, so we just had the experience.

452
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Speaker 3: Of doing that. It was just I mean, it's really

453
00:26:40,213 --> 00:26:42,013
Speaker 3: been a it's been nice.

454
00:26:42,093 --> 00:26:44,213
Speaker 2: Well, as long as you've raised it, let's carry on

455
00:26:44,293 --> 00:26:46,933
Speaker 2: with the with the book topic, because I have a

456
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:50,253
Speaker 2: copy of The Attack, and I think you wrote this

457
00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:54,533
Speaker 2: on your own. I did from the author of Weeks

458
00:26:54,813 --> 00:26:57,773
Speaker 2: from the the Will, I read a book once. It

459
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Speaker 2: took me two years from the author, from the author

460
00:27:01,213 --> 00:27:05,573
Speaker 2: of the People's Republic series The Attack. Now it's described

461
00:27:06,373 --> 00:27:10,773
Speaker 2: as fripening only one description. Give us a give us

462
00:27:10,773 --> 00:27:13,413
Speaker 2: a quick brief because it's not on it's not on sale.

463
00:27:13,493 --> 00:27:17,173
Speaker 2: It's not on sale here, and I think it arguably

464
00:27:17,213 --> 00:27:17,573
Speaker 2: should be.

465
00:27:19,853 --> 00:27:24,853
Speaker 4: I I wrote it right after October seventh, uh, because

466
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:27,373
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I'm I'm concerned. Like I said,

467
00:27:27,373 --> 00:27:31,653
Speaker 4: I'm retired army colonel's strategic Studies degree. I'm in contact

468
00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:34,173
Speaker 4: with a lot of military people. I still talk to

469
00:27:34,253 --> 00:27:39,013
Speaker 4: a lot of folks doing military things. We had a

470
00:27:39,053 --> 00:27:42,533
Speaker 4: wide open border, and we had lots of enemies, and

471
00:27:43,533 --> 00:27:46,653
Speaker 4: we the United States and I think other countries too,

472
00:27:46,693 --> 00:27:50,773
Speaker 4: as we've seen, are extremely vulnerable to mass attack, to

473
00:27:50,853 --> 00:27:54,693
Speaker 4: asymmetrical attacks, them hitting us at our weak point designed

474
00:27:54,693 --> 00:27:59,293
Speaker 4: to break our spirit. The Attack Talks is essentially an

475
00:27:59,453 --> 00:28:02,853
Speaker 4: oral history. It has about twenty five chapters each an

476
00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:06,373
Speaker 4: individual who experienced some piece of a giant three day

477
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:10,813
Speaker 4: attack by thousands of jaha is supported by outside governments

478
00:28:11,133 --> 00:28:14,773
Speaker 4: who use the weaknesses of the United States to literally

479
00:28:14,893 --> 00:28:17,253
Speaker 4: murder as many Americans as they can with the idea

480
00:28:17,293 --> 00:28:19,333
Speaker 4: of breaking our spirit. Now, I don't think that would

481
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:24,933
Speaker 4: break America's spirit. I think you would see America react

482
00:28:25,013 --> 00:28:28,093
Speaker 4: with a cold fury that would make chill the spine

483
00:28:28,093 --> 00:28:34,773
Speaker 4: of gageous con But We are a tremendously vulnerable country,

484
00:28:34,813 --> 00:28:37,573
Speaker 4: but we're also a tremendously tough country, and we're a

485
00:28:37,573 --> 00:28:39,293
Speaker 4: country that's ready to protect itself.

486
00:28:39,373 --> 00:28:41,613
Speaker 3: While I am in Texas. I'm in Texas right now.

487
00:28:42,453 --> 00:28:44,413
Speaker 4: Every time I walk out the door, I have a

488
00:28:44,533 --> 00:28:47,493
Speaker 4: nine millimeter pistol on my hip unless I'm going to

489
00:28:47,533 --> 00:28:52,053
Speaker 4: a bar, every single time in case something happens. California

490
00:28:52,053 --> 00:28:53,853
Speaker 4: has a little different gun laws. It's kind of a

491
00:28:53,853 --> 00:28:57,293
Speaker 4: fascist state. We'll fix it and then I'll carry there.

492
00:28:58,053 --> 00:29:05,213
Speaker 4: But we are unbelievably vulnerable, and our government, by leaving

493
00:29:05,253 --> 00:29:09,293
Speaker 4: our border open, let pretty much anybody in, and if

494
00:29:09,293 --> 00:29:12,653
Speaker 4: you get them in at a very low cost, with

495
00:29:12,853 --> 00:29:19,493
Speaker 4: minimal intelligence, minimal logistics, minimal command and control, you could

496
00:29:19,693 --> 00:29:23,533
Speaker 4: launch a devastating attack that would kill tens of thousands

497
00:29:23,613 --> 00:29:24,373
Speaker 4: of Americans.

498
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:29,373
Speaker 3: And that's what the attack's about. It is I wanted

499
00:29:29,373 --> 00:29:32,333
Speaker 3: to write it. I wrote like Sir John Hackett.

500
00:29:32,693 --> 00:29:36,333
Speaker 4: General Sir John Hackett wrote The Third World War back

501
00:29:36,413 --> 00:29:39,253
Speaker 4: in I think nineteen eighty, and that was a huge

502
00:29:39,253 --> 00:29:41,333
Speaker 4: book that made people look at NATO again and say,

503
00:29:41,373 --> 00:29:45,373
Speaker 4: wait a minute, we're not ready for the Soviets. And

504
00:29:46,133 --> 00:29:48,573
Speaker 4: I did in the same style the oral history style,

505
00:29:48,813 --> 00:29:51,373
Speaker 4: create a character in one place to give you a

506
00:29:51,413 --> 00:29:54,733
Speaker 4: piece of it. So it's not a Thetan Death March

507
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:59,013
Speaker 4: of statistics, numbers and rhetoric.

508
00:29:59,613 --> 00:30:02,173
Speaker 3: I tried to make it the story.

509
00:30:01,893 --> 00:30:12,373
Speaker 5: Of men and women, moms, dads, eric and you, repairman, comps, medics,

510
00:30:12,413 --> 00:30:12,893
Speaker 5: all of them.

511
00:30:12,933 --> 00:30:15,933
Speaker 4: What part of this did they experience? What does that

512
00:30:16,013 --> 00:30:20,773
Speaker 4: tell you about the vulnerabilities as a whole? And of

513
00:30:20,813 --> 00:30:24,373
Speaker 4: course the of course, one of the things is a

514
00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:30,053
Speaker 4: B two bomber pilot who leads America's revenge against the

515
00:30:30,093 --> 00:30:35,173
Speaker 4: country that plans. And you know, we lost three thousand

516
00:30:35,253 --> 00:30:37,693
Speaker 4: people on nine to eleven, and we killed hundreds of

517
00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:41,093
Speaker 4: thousands of people. If they killed tens of thousands of us,

518
00:30:41,333 --> 00:30:43,413
Speaker 4: our enemies ought to be very, very frightened.

519
00:30:43,733 --> 00:30:45,693
Speaker 2: I just flicked through the book while you were talking

520
00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:49,293
Speaker 2: and came across chapter twenty one, which is set in Houston.

521
00:30:50,493 --> 00:30:53,733
Speaker 2: There is a there is a development taking place in Texas.

522
00:30:53,773 --> 00:30:56,333
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's in Dallas rather than Houston,

523
00:30:56,653 --> 00:30:58,333
Speaker 2: although it could be could be wrong.

524
00:30:58,373 --> 00:30:59,573
Speaker 3: I think it's near Waco.

525
00:30:59,493 --> 00:31:02,813
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm talking about, Yes, I know what.

526
00:31:02,733 --> 00:31:03,813
Speaker 3: You're talking about.

527
00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:09,253
Speaker 4: It is a town that essentially is being built to

528
00:31:09,573 --> 00:31:15,413
Speaker 4: operate under Sharia law essentially, and it's a foothold in

529
00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:19,693
Speaker 4: Texas as a municipality, and that can't be allowed to happen.

530
00:31:20,853 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 4: Now there's one law, it's our constitution. We don't have

531
00:31:24,493 --> 00:31:27,733
Speaker 4: two laws. We don't have two dual tracks. One of

532
00:31:27,773 --> 00:31:30,853
Speaker 4: the problems in the United States is we got away

533
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:33,533
Speaker 4: from something that made us great, which is when you

534
00:31:33,533 --> 00:31:36,493
Speaker 4: come here, you shed who you are and you become

535
00:31:36,533 --> 00:31:37,333
Speaker 4: an American.

536
00:31:37,573 --> 00:31:39,133
Speaker 3: I don't care where you came from.

537
00:31:40,373 --> 00:31:43,413
Speaker 4: A guy who came from Nigeria's as much an American

538
00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:47,373
Speaker 4: as a guy who came from Stuttgart right or in

539
00:31:47,693 --> 00:31:49,293
Speaker 4: in my family's case, Bavaria.

540
00:31:49,973 --> 00:31:52,213
Speaker 3: But some people got away from that.

541
00:31:52,853 --> 00:31:55,013
Speaker 4: And one of the great things about America is we

542
00:31:55,053 --> 00:31:58,573
Speaker 4: thought of ourselves as Americans first. You know, for a

543
00:31:58,613 --> 00:32:00,613
Speaker 4: long time, if you went up to a white American,

544
00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:03,053
Speaker 4: you would say, well, what are you? And in lots

545
00:32:03,053 --> 00:32:05,333
Speaker 4: of other countries, and I was in Coastavot, so I

546
00:32:05,413 --> 00:32:09,253
Speaker 4: know a little about Balkanization, walk up to what are you?

547
00:32:09,293 --> 00:32:13,133
Speaker 4: We're on an American? Well you have white skin, and

548
00:32:13,813 --> 00:32:16,453
Speaker 4: so what you know. My grandfather came from Midland. I

549
00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:18,413
Speaker 4: have a great pasta recipe what's that now?

550
00:32:19,413 --> 00:32:20,013
Speaker 1: And it.

551
00:32:21,813 --> 00:32:24,493
Speaker 4: I mean we had I remember in the California and

552
00:32:24,573 --> 00:32:27,853
Speaker 4: the National Guard a reserve unit down near Mexico. We

553
00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:30,693
Speaker 4: had a whole tank unit that operated in Spanish on

554
00:32:30,733 --> 00:32:35,573
Speaker 4: the radio. Super super patriotic, all American guys. They just

555
00:32:35,573 --> 00:32:39,373
Speaker 4: happened to speak Spanish and we were Americans first. And

556
00:32:39,413 --> 00:32:43,013
Speaker 4: when we got away from that, that really began. I mean,

557
00:32:43,053 --> 00:32:45,613
Speaker 4: this was the American miracle. I mean, when I was

558
00:32:45,653 --> 00:32:48,613
Speaker 4: in Costa, Though, you would go to a village of Albanians,

559
00:32:48,773 --> 00:32:52,693
Speaker 4: who are mostly Muslim, about ten percent of Christian. Mother

560
00:32:52,773 --> 00:32:55,893
Speaker 4: Teresa came from Albania. You you would in the next

561
00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:57,373
Speaker 4: village over would be Serbian.

562
00:32:57,613 --> 00:32:59,573
Speaker 3: And they've been together, they lived next to.

563
00:32:59,693 --> 00:33:01,973
Speaker 4: Each other in peace for one hundred and fifty two hundred,

564
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:05,933
Speaker 4: three hundred, five hundred years. And then Melissa that came

565
00:33:05,973 --> 00:33:10,693
Speaker 4: in decided he was going to push a racialization agenda,

566
00:33:10,853 --> 00:33:14,213
Speaker 4: and pretty soon those Albanians and those serves were butchering

567
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:18,213
Speaker 4: each other, butchering their neighbors. It was inconceivable to us

568
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:22,413
Speaker 4: as Americans, and we've got to do everything we can

569
00:33:22,533 --> 00:33:26,973
Speaker 4: to stop that. How do you You've got to be American,

570
00:33:27,053 --> 00:33:28,093
Speaker 4: you can't be anything else.

571
00:33:28,213 --> 00:33:31,133
Speaker 2: How do you interpret that? I mean, you've had you've

572
00:33:31,173 --> 00:33:37,533
Speaker 2: had I would suggest vast experience on the waterfront. How

573
00:33:37,573 --> 00:33:43,173
Speaker 2: would you describe and explain the willingness and the quickness

574
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:46,413
Speaker 2: of people to turn on each other and sort of

575
00:33:46,573 --> 00:33:47,413
Speaker 2: sort of the other lot.

576
00:33:48,853 --> 00:33:53,973
Speaker 4: It's throughout history, that's what human beings have done. In

577
00:33:54,013 --> 00:33:56,733
Speaker 4: a way, America and some of the other in some

578
00:33:56,773 --> 00:34:01,053
Speaker 4: of our countries have beaten history. You know, they managed

579
00:34:01,093 --> 00:34:04,693
Speaker 4: to get beyond it. It wasn't we weren't faded to

580
00:34:04,773 --> 00:34:09,813
Speaker 4: do it. We could be better. Sure, there are always problems,

581
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:13,453
Speaker 4: you know, New Zealand has has its own racial problems.

582
00:34:14,173 --> 00:34:19,373
Speaker 4: We certainly have ours. But the solution to those problems

583
00:34:20,253 --> 00:34:25,253
Speaker 4: is Pluber's una out of many one.

584
00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:28,653
Speaker 3: And that's that's what we have to do. There's no

585
00:34:28,893 --> 00:34:29,453
Speaker 3: other way.

586
00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:35,413
Speaker 4: You cannot You cannot have baltimization without hatred. It doesn't work.

587
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:38,333
Speaker 4: History teaches us that, So we have to make a

588
00:34:38,373 --> 00:34:44,213
Speaker 4: conscious choice to minimize. You know, I have relatives who

589
00:34:44,293 --> 00:34:47,293
Speaker 4: came from Scotland. That all that needs to be is

590
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,093
Speaker 4: a fun fact in my life. I don't need to be,

591
00:34:50,613 --> 00:34:54,653
Speaker 4: you know, militantly Scottish.

592
00:34:55,013 --> 00:34:58,573
Speaker 3: I'm American, and that's that's really what we've got to

593
00:34:58,613 --> 00:34:59,373
Speaker 3: get back to here in.

594
00:34:59,373 --> 00:35:02,493
Speaker 2: The unit sty Well, you're really you're really an Italian

595
00:35:02,533 --> 00:35:03,533
Speaker 2: Scottish American.

596
00:35:04,213 --> 00:35:05,933
Speaker 3: Well I'm I'm not Italian.

597
00:35:07,053 --> 00:35:11,973
Speaker 4: I am a percent German or Scottish and one percent Pannonian.

598
00:35:12,093 --> 00:35:15,533
Speaker 4: And I think back in the day of like Tiberius

599
00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:20,453
Speaker 4: or maybe Trajan, So some guy from the Balkans got assigned.

600
00:35:20,013 --> 00:35:23,213
Speaker 3: To a legion up in up in Germany.

601
00:35:23,453 --> 00:35:27,853
Speaker 4: And that's that's the one percent of my bloodbed's Balkans.

602
00:35:28,173 --> 00:35:31,173
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the headline. I don't know whether you

603
00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:36,933
Speaker 2: familiar with Michael Snyder. No, he's a he's a religious man,

604
00:35:37,453 --> 00:35:40,493
Speaker 2: but he's a realist. And I came across FIW years

605
00:35:40,493 --> 00:35:43,773
Speaker 2: ago and the well I just stuff drops into my

606
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:47,413
Speaker 2: box along with a million others. But occasionally I get

607
00:35:47,453 --> 00:35:49,853
Speaker 2: attracted by a headline. The US dollar is crashing and

608
00:35:49,933 --> 00:35:53,093
Speaker 2: our reserve currency status is in serious jeopardy? Is this

609
00:35:53,253 --> 00:35:56,213
Speaker 2: being done by design? Got a thought?

610
00:35:57,293 --> 00:36:00,613
Speaker 4: I no, America. I think America is just he a

611
00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:06,013
Speaker 4: reserve currency because we are we are strong and free

612
00:36:06,093 --> 00:36:11,053
Speaker 4: despite our many problems. And I although there's a little

613
00:36:11,133 --> 00:36:14,773
Speaker 4: chaos and upsetting the world order right now, it's all

614
00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:15,533
Speaker 4: going to fade.

615
00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:16,853
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, you.

616
00:36:16,813 --> 00:36:20,053
Speaker 4: Know, most Americans, because of something called a four oh

617
00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:24,893
Speaker 4: one k are invested in the stock market. Right you

618
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:27,573
Speaker 4: can invest tax free and that becomes retirement money. And

619
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:30,733
Speaker 4: I am like everybody else, and nobody wants to look

620
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:34,213
Speaker 4: at the nobody wants to look at their accounts online

621
00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:38,613
Speaker 4: while the stock market's going through turmoil, turmoil, But America

622
00:36:38,853 --> 00:36:43,453
Speaker 4: is it's hard to express it. In the nineteen eighties

623
00:36:43,533 --> 00:36:49,013
Speaker 4: under Ronald Reagan, you had an explosion of American prosperity

624
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:52,933
Speaker 4: and just optimism and we were all out there going, man,

625
00:36:53,013 --> 00:36:56,613
Speaker 4: we can just do anything. And that, you know, went

626
00:36:56,613 --> 00:37:02,013
Speaker 4: through the nineties nine to eleven happened the Wall Street crash. Obama,

627
00:37:02,093 --> 00:37:07,573
Speaker 4: who didn't promote that, he was not a real American cheerleader,

628
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:10,173
Speaker 4: but Donald Trump started bringing that back.

629
00:37:10,213 --> 00:37:13,733
Speaker 3: First term. Biden kind of put a brake on it.

630
00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:18,653
Speaker 4: But I think I can feel that, and I see

631
00:37:18,653 --> 00:37:22,133
Speaker 4: evidence the Americans are ready to work. Americans are ready

632
00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:24,853
Speaker 4: to get back out there and have a great economy again,

633
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:26,453
Speaker 4: to have another.

634
00:37:26,133 --> 00:37:29,533
Speaker 3: Golden age like we did in the eighties and nineties.

635
00:37:30,093 --> 00:37:33,773
Speaker 4: And you know, it's weird that there's a whole generation

636
00:37:33,893 --> 00:37:36,093
Speaker 4: unless you were like forty. You were never an adult

637
00:37:36,133 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 4: when America was really hitting on all eight cylinders.

638
00:37:40,453 --> 00:37:43,173
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sixty. I grew up.

639
00:37:44,173 --> 00:37:48,133
Speaker 4: It never occurred to me ever that I could not

640
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,933
Speaker 4: do or be whatever I wanted to be now as Californian.

641
00:37:52,413 --> 00:37:56,053
Speaker 4: So we have that positive attitude, but it never occurred

642
00:37:56,053 --> 00:37:57,773
Speaker 4: to me I couldn't do what I wanted to do,

643
00:37:58,293 --> 00:38:00,213
Speaker 4: and I've been able to do. I built a law firm,

644
00:38:00,293 --> 00:38:02,653
Speaker 4: I got to have a career active in reserve in

645
00:38:02,693 --> 00:38:04,773
Speaker 4: the army. I could be a stand up I could

646
00:38:04,773 --> 00:38:06,213
Speaker 4: write best selling books.

647
00:38:06,413 --> 00:38:07,533
Speaker 3: I could be on the media.

648
00:38:08,173 --> 00:38:11,253
Speaker 4: I did it, and that's it's that's same optimism, and

649
00:38:11,293 --> 00:38:13,773
Speaker 4: I you know, we want to get back to that,

650
00:38:13,853 --> 00:38:16,453
Speaker 4: and I think America is ready to do it. So

651
00:38:16,893 --> 00:38:20,453
Speaker 4: I think I think America is going to do it.

652
00:38:20,533 --> 00:38:25,893
Speaker 4: I think when the economic stuff, the reordering shapes out,

653
00:38:26,293 --> 00:38:28,973
Speaker 4: I think we're going to see America back and very strong.

654
00:38:29,053 --> 00:38:32,613
Speaker 4: Remember Trump has a huge incentive for economic success.

655
00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:34,373
Speaker 3: He has literally.

656
00:38:34,053 --> 00:38:36,653
Speaker 4: Got to do it and got to get things kicking

657
00:38:36,693 --> 00:38:40,293
Speaker 4: before November twenty sixth, when we have midterm elections to

658
00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:42,733
Speaker 4: re elect the House to representatives and thirty three of

659
00:38:42,733 --> 00:38:47,653
Speaker 4: our senators thirty three or one hundred, and he's got

660
00:38:47,653 --> 00:38:51,293
Speaker 4: to win in twenty twenty eight, and we saw what

661
00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:54,773
Speaker 4: happens when he loses. If the left gets power, they

662
00:38:54,893 --> 00:38:59,133
Speaker 4: will attempt to frame him again. And at least one

663
00:38:59,213 --> 00:39:01,133
Speaker 4: leftist and we don't know about the other guy, but

664
00:39:01,213 --> 00:39:03,533
Speaker 4: we know one was an active leftist tried to murder

665
00:39:03,613 --> 00:39:07,293
Speaker 4: it and ended up murdering one guy wounding a couple others.

666
00:39:07,653 --> 00:39:10,373
Speaker 4: So for Trump, he's really gotten a life and death

667
00:39:10,373 --> 00:39:14,493
Speaker 4: incentive for him and his family. I I think we're

668
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:18,253
Speaker 4: I think the United States is going to get back

669
00:39:18,533 --> 00:39:23,253
Speaker 4: uh to becoming the economic engine uh it was, and

670
00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:26,373
Speaker 4: I think it's going to uh. I think our friends

671
00:39:26,413 --> 00:39:29,693
Speaker 4: around the world are going to uh share uh share.

672
00:39:29,493 --> 00:39:30,373
Speaker 3: That with us.

673
00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:33,973
Speaker 2: I'm quoting from from one of the one of your books,

674
00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:35,973
Speaker 2: The People's Republic.

675
00:39:37,013 --> 00:39:38,533
Speaker 3: Oh boy, and.

676
00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:39,453
Speaker 2: You want to explain that.

677
00:39:41,053 --> 00:39:43,973
Speaker 4: People's Republic is the series of eight books about the

678
00:39:44,053 --> 00:39:47,333
Speaker 4: United States that has split into into a red and

679
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:52,133
Speaker 4: a blue that is a conservative and a leftist uh

680
00:39:52,253 --> 00:39:57,333
Speaker 4: countries and uh it uh it involves a red operative

681
00:39:57,333 --> 00:40:00,213
Speaker 4: who goes into the leftist countries and shows what happens

682
00:40:00,413 --> 00:40:03,373
Speaker 4: if America essentially becomes a giant college campus.

683
00:40:03,493 --> 00:40:04,493
Speaker 3: Uh and uh.

684
00:40:04,813 --> 00:40:08,453
Speaker 4: You know it's funny in part, lots of action, lots

685
00:40:08,213 --> 00:40:12,053
Speaker 4: of humor, but it's scary too because there are some

686
00:40:12,173 --> 00:40:17,693
Speaker 4: fault lines in America and they, you know, they could

687
00:40:17,693 --> 00:40:22,013
Speaker 4: break over into violence. Some Hamasque loving scumbag tried to

688
00:40:22,093 --> 00:40:26,853
Speaker 4: burn the Jewish family of the governor of Pennsylvania live

689
00:40:26,973 --> 00:40:29,533
Speaker 4: the other day. They's broke in and threw firebombs in

690
00:40:29,613 --> 00:40:33,693
Speaker 4: his house. Yeah, And like I said, people try to murder.

691
00:40:33,733 --> 00:40:37,813
Speaker 4: The president did murder one American citizen who was simply

692
00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:40,973
Speaker 4: exercising his right to be at a political rally. They

693
00:40:40,973 --> 00:40:45,893
Speaker 4: blew his head off. The human capacity for violence is

694
00:40:45,973 --> 00:40:49,773
Speaker 4: never that far beneath the surface, and People's Republic talks

695
00:40:49,813 --> 00:40:51,493
Speaker 4: about what happens when it bubbles up.

696
00:40:51,973 --> 00:40:54,493
Speaker 2: So the cride from the book, and I've chosen this

697
00:40:54,653 --> 00:41:00,773
Speaker 2: especially for I think obviously a mutual interest. The voice

698
00:41:00,813 --> 00:41:03,733
Speaker 2: of the television announceder warned that the climate change crisis

699
00:41:03,853 --> 00:41:07,933
Speaker 2: was once again just one year away from reaching the

700
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:11,813
Speaker 2: point of no return, and urged the largely pedestrian citizen

701
00:41:11,853 --> 00:41:15,693
Speaker 2: ry to continue to reduce their collective carbon footprint full

702
00:41:15,733 --> 00:41:20,213
Speaker 2: stop butt and explain the butt what comes next?

703
00:41:22,213 --> 00:41:23,613
Speaker 3: God, there's so much.

704
00:41:24,053 --> 00:41:26,573
Speaker 4: I don't even remember that line, but it certainly sounds

705
00:41:26,573 --> 00:41:31,613
Speaker 4: like something I would write. I find the whole climate

706
00:41:31,693 --> 00:41:34,573
Speaker 4: change thing to be a bizarre manifestation of a pagan

707
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:38,653
Speaker 4: religion at best, and a cheesy attempt to take money

708
00:41:38,693 --> 00:41:42,613
Speaker 4: and power from normal people through an abuse of science.

709
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,253
Speaker 4: I have been told since I was a kid we

710
00:41:45,253 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 4: were on the verge of doo. We were gonna have

711
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:50,333
Speaker 4: a population explosion that never worked out. We were gonna

712
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:52,533
Speaker 4: have an ice age that didn't work out. We were

713
00:41:52,573 --> 00:41:55,773
Speaker 4: going to be boiled alive because the ozone layer was gone.

714
00:41:56,253 --> 00:41:58,053
Speaker 4: That didn't work out. We're going to be melted by

715
00:41:58,093 --> 00:41:59,573
Speaker 4: acid rain that didn't know how.

716
00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:04,493
Speaker 3: And then we have been five years away from.

717
00:42:06,213 --> 00:42:09,973
Speaker 4: Climate heat or oh look, global warming armageddon, and of

718
00:42:10,013 --> 00:42:13,053
Speaker 4: course that was We've had that for about thirty years.

719
00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:17,133
Speaker 4: And then then when it became obvious that wasn't go

720
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:20,093
Speaker 4: work out, it became climate change. And as a lawyer

721
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:22,653
Speaker 4: I really respected because when you have clime, when you

722
00:42:22,693 --> 00:42:27,053
Speaker 4: talk about climate change, literally anything the climate does except

723
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:32,453
Speaker 4: stay perfectly static, proves your point. It's like the perfect argument.

724
00:42:33,693 --> 00:42:37,613
Speaker 4: As a lawyer, I really admire it. I mean, it's nonsense,

725
00:42:38,373 --> 00:42:43,053
Speaker 4: but I do admire it. And I've noticed that climate

726
00:42:43,133 --> 00:42:48,213
Speaker 4: change inevitably involves me becoming less free to do what

727
00:42:48,293 --> 00:42:51,853
Speaker 4: I want and me giving up money and power to

728
00:42:51,973 --> 00:42:57,573
Speaker 4: other people. There's I have searched high and low for

729
00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:02,613
Speaker 4: one thing to remedy climate change that makes me more freer,

730
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:05,413
Speaker 4: or be freer, or more.

731
00:43:05,253 --> 00:43:06,093
Speaker 3: Cross for us.

732
00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:08,693
Speaker 4: And of course the point is to make me less

733
00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:12,013
Speaker 4: free and less prosperous, because then I'll be a more

734
00:43:12,053 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 4: willing surf.

735
00:43:14,093 --> 00:43:18,013
Speaker 2: Over this period of time that we're discussing, you could

736
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:22,253
Speaker 2: start with, well, I'm thinking nine to eleven, but we'd

737
00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:25,013
Speaker 2: have to go back a bit further actually, But through this,

738
00:43:25,573 --> 00:43:29,053
Speaker 2: let's say the last three to four decades, do you

739
00:43:29,093 --> 00:43:30,733
Speaker 2: think that human nature has changed?

740
00:43:31,813 --> 00:43:33,733
Speaker 3: No?

741
00:43:33,733 --> 00:43:37,373
Speaker 4: No, human nature won't change, which is why it is

742
00:43:37,453 --> 00:43:41,093
Speaker 4: so important to read history and think about history. You know,

743
00:43:42,173 --> 00:43:45,133
Speaker 4: one of the great hopeful signs to me was a

744
00:43:45,253 --> 00:43:47,573
Speaker 4: meme from not long ago. It says the average man

745
00:43:47,613 --> 00:43:49,933
Speaker 4: thinks about the Roman Empire two or three times a day,

746
00:43:50,493 --> 00:43:54,053
Speaker 4: and I thought that's terrific. I mean, it's a good start,

747
00:43:54,853 --> 00:43:58,053
Speaker 4: but you know, you also want to think about ancient Greece.

748
00:43:58,093 --> 00:43:59,733
Speaker 4: Do you want to think about more modern things? You want

749
00:43:59,773 --> 00:44:02,773
Speaker 4: to think about work thrift. You want to think about,

750
00:44:03,653 --> 00:44:07,813
Speaker 4: you know, the smooth Holly terrorists. You want to think

751
00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:12,453
Speaker 4: about the voice of Magella. You want to think about history,

752
00:44:12,493 --> 00:44:16,773
Speaker 4: because history teaches you how people are. And I found that,

753
00:44:17,333 --> 00:44:19,173
Speaker 4: you know, there are two things that'll tell you about

754
00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:23,693
Speaker 4: human nature better than anything else, which is history and

755
00:44:24,053 --> 00:44:27,253
Speaker 4: the Bible. Now, even if you're not religious, if you

756
00:44:27,333 --> 00:44:31,693
Speaker 4: read the Bible, the actions of human beings are that

757
00:44:31,773 --> 00:44:37,453
Speaker 4: it depicts are so archetypal that if you come to

758
00:44:37,493 --> 00:44:40,053
Speaker 4: an understanding of what they're talking about in there, you're

759
00:44:40,053 --> 00:44:43,173
Speaker 4: going to understand how people operate, particularly the Old Testament.

760
00:44:43,493 --> 00:44:45,933
Speaker 2: I suppose it all really started for most people at

761
00:44:46,013 --> 00:44:48,333
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. But over a period of time I

762
00:44:48,413 --> 00:44:53,093
Speaker 2: suggested to people that if you don't understand biblical history,

763
00:44:53,373 --> 00:44:56,453
Speaker 2: you'll never understand what the issues are in the Middle East.

764
00:44:57,133 --> 00:45:02,653
Speaker 4: Correct that it is so strange that, you know, so

765
00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:06,933
Speaker 4: many modern people think that history began, you know, thirty

766
00:45:07,013 --> 00:45:10,493
Speaker 4: years ago, forty years ago, and we don't exactly have

767
00:45:10,533 --> 00:45:14,093
Speaker 4: a crystal ball, but we've got a template that is history,

768
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:17,413
Speaker 4: and you can look at it and you can see

769
00:45:17,413 --> 00:45:20,693
Speaker 4: how things works out. And sometimes it's scary, but sometimes

770
00:45:20,533 --> 00:45:25,213
Speaker 4: it provides a hopeful path. But nine to eleven really

771
00:45:25,653 --> 00:45:28,453
Speaker 4: knocked the United States out of its complacency and it

772
00:45:28,493 --> 00:45:31,933
Speaker 4: got back to America's roots. You gotta understand some about America.

773
00:45:32,533 --> 00:45:38,853
Speaker 4: We came to a continent dominated by indigenous people of

774
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:42,293
Speaker 4: various levels of savage rate. We just found another altar

775
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:47,613
Speaker 4: of Aztecs for butchering children. But you know, the indigenous

776
00:45:47,613 --> 00:45:52,973
Speaker 4: American Indians weren't particularly you know, nice people either, and

777
00:45:53,013 --> 00:45:56,133
Speaker 4: we fought our way across it and conquered it. America

778
00:45:56,333 --> 00:46:00,933
Speaker 4: is a country that is very, very tough. It's really

779
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,813
Speaker 4: what we call JACKSONI and after Andrew Jackson. I don't

780
00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:06,533
Speaker 4: want to fight, but if I fight, I'm gonna kill you,

781
00:46:06,693 --> 00:46:09,213
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna kill everybody you ever met. And then

782
00:46:09,213 --> 00:46:10,693
Speaker 4: I'm going to come home so I don't have to

783
00:46:10,733 --> 00:46:15,253
Speaker 4: fight anymore. And unfortunately we got misguided after nine to eleven.

784
00:46:15,853 --> 00:46:18,453
Speaker 4: I'm a big believer in punitive expeditions. We should have

785
00:46:18,493 --> 00:46:21,693
Speaker 4: gone in Afghanistan and killed everybody who had anything to

786
00:46:21,693 --> 00:46:27,693
Speaker 4: do with it, destroy their infrastructure, and make them use

787
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:31,053
Speaker 4: the name American to scare children for the next one

788
00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:32,173
Speaker 4: hundred generations.

789
00:46:32,333 --> 00:46:33,453
Speaker 3: But then we should have left.

790
00:46:34,613 --> 00:46:38,213
Speaker 4: We didn't, and a lot of Americans die by the way.

791
00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:42,013
Speaker 4: I want to thank New Zealand for its contribution. I

792
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:46,013
Speaker 4: know that at least one SAS soldier won the Victoria

793
00:46:46,093 --> 00:46:47,493
Speaker 4: Cross who was a New Zealander.

794
00:46:48,093 --> 00:46:49,653
Speaker 3: The bravery of New Zealand.

795
00:46:49,413 --> 00:46:54,093
Speaker 4: Soldiers is legendary, and we American soldiers recognized and respected

796
00:46:55,053 --> 00:46:55,813
Speaker 4: so well.

797
00:46:55,893 --> 00:46:58,613
Speaker 2: If you asked, if you asked virtually anybody here at

798
00:46:58,613 --> 00:47:03,293
Speaker 2: the moment, what's the standard about our defense forces, they

799
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:05,813
Speaker 2: probably cry, well.

800
00:47:06,533 --> 00:47:09,773
Speaker 4: Say here, we're rebuilt at Pete Hagsath is our new

801
00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:14,613
Speaker 4: Secretary of Defense infantry officer. He's you either want a

802
00:47:14,613 --> 00:47:16,853
Speaker 4: guy who's a number cruncher or a guy is a killer.

803
00:47:17,973 --> 00:47:21,373
Speaker 4: Right now we need a killer. He's a killer. We're

804
00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:24,533
Speaker 4: going to get back. I don't look the American spirit

805
00:47:25,053 --> 00:47:28,693
Speaker 4: that made us who we are, which includes our ability

806
00:47:28,693 --> 00:47:31,613
Speaker 4: to fight wars, is not dead. I'm no expert on

807
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:34,173
Speaker 4: New Zealand, but I would expect that in times of trouble,

808
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 4: the New Zealanders will rise to the standards that New

809
00:47:37,013 --> 00:47:42,413
Speaker 4: Zealanders have always risen to. Again, New Zealanders are New

810
00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:46,613
Speaker 4: Zealand soldiers are very well respected by Americans. If you're

811
00:47:46,613 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 4: a professional Soldier Australia and New Zealand. Those guys are top,

812
00:47:51,533 --> 00:47:52,653
Speaker 4: top notch.

813
00:47:53,893 --> 00:47:55,653
Speaker 2: And then we need to do it kick stout again.

814
00:47:56,413 --> 00:47:58,453
Speaker 2: I think I want to, I want to want to

815
00:47:58,453 --> 00:48:03,493
Speaker 2: transfer attention to the law in many respects. I mean,

816
00:48:03,533 --> 00:48:07,093
Speaker 2: I made some comments to three weeks back regarding and

817
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:09,373
Speaker 2: I think I quoted a bit too, the Agony of

818
00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:14,973
Speaker 2: John Roberts. Yes, written by yourself, and I thought it

819
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:18,453
Speaker 2: was an extremely good I'm looking I'm looking at it.

820
00:48:18,493 --> 00:48:21,173
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the pink and the green markings that

821
00:48:21,213 --> 00:48:27,053
Speaker 2: I like as my code. It's all green normally, and

822
00:48:27,053 --> 00:48:29,333
Speaker 2: then if it's pink, it's it's extra important.

823
00:48:30,253 --> 00:48:30,933
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

824
00:48:31,373 --> 00:48:35,413
Speaker 2: And you, I mean, you tell the story of John

825
00:48:35,453 --> 00:48:38,093
Speaker 2: Roberts from your perspective, which I think is pretty much

826
00:48:38,253 --> 00:48:41,213
Speaker 2: pretty much on target. So in the last in the

827
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:45,293
Speaker 2: last two weeks, maybe even three, since since you wrote this,

828
00:48:45,933 --> 00:48:48,893
Speaker 2: has Roberts redeemed himself at all.

829
00:48:49,813 --> 00:48:55,373
Speaker 4: A little bit for your listeners. The United States Constitution sets.

830
00:48:55,173 --> 00:48:56,253
Speaker 3: For three branches.

831
00:48:56,973 --> 00:48:59,693
Speaker 4: Article one is the legislature, Article two is the executive.

832
00:48:59,933 --> 00:49:03,933
Speaker 3: Article three is the courts. And they are.

833
00:49:04,133 --> 00:49:07,893
Speaker 4: Supposed to be coequal, but they're not quite. They check

834
00:49:07,933 --> 00:49:11,253
Speaker 4: and ballt each other The courts, of course, don't have

835
00:49:11,293 --> 00:49:16,773
Speaker 4: an army and they can't enforce anything. The executive, course

836
00:49:17,013 --> 00:49:19,813
Speaker 4: is commander in chief of the military, has federal law enforcement.

837
00:49:20,573 --> 00:49:23,333
Speaker 4: The legislative has the power of the purse power to

838
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 4: pass laws. The court can only issue rulings, and then

839
00:49:27,573 --> 00:49:30,413
Speaker 4: the Article two guys, the executive has to enforce them. Well,

840
00:49:30,413 --> 00:49:33,213
Speaker 4: we're having a fight between Article two the executive president

841
00:49:33,693 --> 00:49:37,173
Speaker 4: and Article three the courts. And the problem now is

842
00:49:37,213 --> 00:49:39,413
Speaker 4: you have district courts. You have the way we go

843
00:49:39,453 --> 00:49:41,533
Speaker 4: as district courts, they're the ones who i know, the

844
00:49:41,533 --> 00:49:44,013
Speaker 4: trials for everything. There's the second level, which is the

845
00:49:44,053 --> 00:49:49,653
Speaker 4: appellate level. There's eleven or twelve of those, and they

846
00:49:49,693 --> 00:49:54,533
Speaker 4: handle appeals. The Supreme Court handles about forty or fifty

847
00:49:54,573 --> 00:49:58,373
Speaker 4: cases from the courts of appeals or state courts, which

848
00:49:58,413 --> 00:50:01,773
Speaker 4: is a whole different thing every year. So the Supreme

849
00:50:01,813 --> 00:50:05,653
Speaker 4: Court's not out there, you know, being the Hindu god

850
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:08,973
Speaker 4: that's pulling all the levers. It does a few things

851
00:50:09,013 --> 00:50:10,933
Speaker 4: to kind of set a standard, and then the lower

852
00:50:10,973 --> 00:50:12,653
Speaker 4: courts are supposed to follow. But we have a lot

853
00:50:12,653 --> 00:50:16,133
Speaker 4: of district court judges who are appointed by Biden who

854
00:50:16,213 --> 00:50:21,133
Speaker 4: do not have judicial modesty and are exceeding the proper

855
00:50:21,213 --> 00:50:24,413
Speaker 4: scope of their authority to impinge on the ability of

856
00:50:24,453 --> 00:50:27,893
Speaker 4: the executive to act. And we're having a fight over it.

857
00:50:27,933 --> 00:50:31,173
Speaker 4: People say it's a constitutional crisis. No, no, no, it's not.

858
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:34,493
Speaker 4: We're having a fight over it. We're having a fight

859
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:39,253
Speaker 4: in the courts. You know, Trump administrations complying with orders

860
00:50:39,413 --> 00:50:42,933
Speaker 4: right now, passively, aggressively in some cases.

861
00:50:42,573 --> 00:50:43,653
Speaker 3: But complying with them.

862
00:50:43,973 --> 00:50:47,333
Speaker 4: But one of the texts and balances for the executive

863
00:50:47,533 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 4: is to simply say it's an implied one. But you

864
00:50:50,413 --> 00:50:52,733
Speaker 4: can simply say no, it's not like you can send

865
00:50:52,773 --> 00:50:54,453
Speaker 4: a division to troops that don't make me.

866
00:50:55,013 --> 00:50:56,133
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it.

867
00:50:56,373 --> 00:50:59,253
Speaker 4: And the courts always have to understand that John Roberts

868
00:50:59,293 --> 00:51:03,373
Speaker 4: is the Chief Justice of Supreme Court, is responsible for

869
00:51:03,453 --> 00:51:06,293
Speaker 4: trying to keep the power of the courts, which is

870
00:51:06,413 --> 00:51:12,213
Speaker 4: really based on its own moral authority. And a lot

871
00:51:12,253 --> 00:51:17,293
Speaker 4: of these district courts are blatantly making procedural and substance

872
00:51:17,453 --> 00:51:22,133
Speaker 4: rulings that are frankly ridiculous. Now, I litigate in federal

873
00:51:22,173 --> 00:51:24,893
Speaker 4: and state courts for thirty years. I've argued in front

874
00:51:24,893 --> 00:51:26,693
Speaker 4: of the courts with you. I never argued in from

875
00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:29,213
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. But this is not an alien world

876
00:51:29,213 --> 00:51:32,013
Speaker 4: to me. I do look at what's happening now, and

877
00:51:32,053 --> 00:51:34,653
Speaker 4: it is crazy. It is not the standard law that

878
00:51:34,693 --> 00:51:37,253
Speaker 4: I practice for thirty years. A lot of it's just

879
00:51:37,293 --> 00:51:42,213
Speaker 4: frankly nuts and politically results driven. And this is a

880
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:45,213
Speaker 4: fight that we have to have and we have to solve.

881
00:51:45,813 --> 00:51:49,493
Speaker 4: And at the end, the courts could come out with

882
00:51:49,533 --> 00:51:52,533
Speaker 4: a lot less power and authority if they squander it.

883
00:51:53,133 --> 00:51:59,133
Speaker 4: John Roberts needs to get his branch acting within its

884
00:51:59,173 --> 00:52:06,573
Speaker 4: proper role. And if he doesn't, at some point, Donald Trump's.

885
00:52:06,293 --> 00:52:06,973
Speaker 2: Going to say no.

886
00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:11,133
Speaker 4: And Donald Trump's going to have and Donald Trump's going

887
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:13,093
Speaker 4: to do it on the eighty side of an eighty

888
00:52:13,973 --> 00:52:17,893
Speaker 4: percent issue. He's not going to do it on something

889
00:52:17,893 --> 00:52:21,373
Speaker 4: this controversial. He's gonna do this somewhere. Most Americans are like, oh, yeah,

890
00:52:21,533 --> 00:52:23,853
Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, we shouldn't be

891
00:52:23,853 --> 00:52:29,933
Speaker 4: giving five hundred thousand dollars to support Ecuadorian transgender mind troops.

892
00:52:31,093 --> 00:52:33,573
Speaker 4: And normal people are going to go, well, if the

893
00:52:33,613 --> 00:52:36,613
Speaker 4: court tells them he has to do that, what good

894
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:39,733
Speaker 4: are the courts? And then John Roberts's brands is going

895
00:52:39,773 --> 00:52:41,733
Speaker 4: to have a problem. So we're gonna have to work

896
00:52:41,773 --> 00:52:42,173
Speaker 4: this out.

897
00:52:42,653 --> 00:52:44,973
Speaker 2: But well, you keep saying we're going to have to

898
00:52:45,013 --> 00:52:47,653
Speaker 2: work it out. But it's the it's the justices of

899
00:52:47,733 --> 00:52:50,173
Speaker 2: the Serene Court, the nine of them that really have

900
00:52:50,253 --> 00:52:52,133
Speaker 2: to have to do it, because if they don't do it,

901
00:52:52,133 --> 00:52:55,733
Speaker 2: if he doesn't come, if he doesn't wake up and

902
00:52:55,773 --> 00:53:00,493
Speaker 2: do what he's responsible for, then all hell could break loose,

903
00:53:00,933 --> 00:53:01,213
Speaker 2: could it?

904
00:53:01,293 --> 00:53:05,413
Speaker 4: Well that that that's true, I guess I'm looking at

905
00:53:05,453 --> 00:53:07,333
Speaker 4: it in the sense of all.

906
00:53:07,173 --> 00:53:11,253
Speaker 3: Americans have got to you know.

907
00:53:11,493 --> 00:53:14,733
Speaker 4: The responsibilities on those nine, but all Americans have got

908
00:53:14,773 --> 00:53:16,533
Speaker 4: to get together and say, wait a minute, we want

909
00:53:16,573 --> 00:53:18,333
Speaker 4: a system that works, and the only way we have

910
00:53:18,373 --> 00:53:22,053
Speaker 4: a system that works is if everybody honors their obligations.

911
00:53:22,733 --> 00:53:25,533
Speaker 3: And many of the disreports aren't doing that.

912
00:53:26,013 --> 00:53:29,013
Speaker 4: The problem is there are a lot of Americans who

913
00:53:29,253 --> 00:53:35,053
Speaker 4: support ignoring the norms and guard rails. They keep the

914
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:37,053
Speaker 4: Constitution humming along.

915
00:53:38,093 --> 00:53:40,493
Speaker 3: And I talk about it a lot, the.

916
00:53:40,413 --> 00:53:44,013
Speaker 4: New rules that there's a special exception for Donald Trump

917
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:47,773
Speaker 4: to the norms and customs and rules that we usually practice.

918
00:53:47,813 --> 00:53:50,813
Speaker 3: He's so bad, We've got to do something different. No, no, no,

919
00:53:50,813 --> 00:53:51,213
Speaker 3: no no.

920
00:53:51,973 --> 00:53:54,653
Speaker 4: If you really want to preserve the system, when somebody

921
00:53:54,693 --> 00:54:00,093
Speaker 4: bad comes along, you use the system rigorously, You honor

922
00:54:00,173 --> 00:54:03,693
Speaker 4: every norm, and that's the best way to deal. If

923
00:54:03,733 --> 00:54:07,453
Speaker 4: you get rid of all the norms, don't expect unilateral disarmament.

924
00:54:07,533 --> 00:54:10,293
Speaker 4: Like I said, rep used to be about winning the argument.

925
00:54:10,333 --> 00:54:13,293
Speaker 4: Now they're about winning the fight. And there's a reason

926
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:13,653
Speaker 4: for that.

927
00:54:14,413 --> 00:54:18,773
Speaker 2: What about big law the situation that we're still developing,

928
00:54:18,813 --> 00:54:23,893
Speaker 2: I guess of the big law firms that Trump's been well,

929
00:54:23,933 --> 00:54:28,653
Speaker 2: the thej I guess, has been targeting, some say because

930
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:31,333
Speaker 2: of what they did to him prior to in losing

931
00:54:31,413 --> 00:54:35,093
Speaker 2: the election in twenty twenty, or the previous election, if

932
00:54:35,133 --> 00:54:39,173
Speaker 2: you like. But these law firms seem to be compounding.

933
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:41,773
Speaker 2: My understanding is, and you tell me if I'm wrong,

934
00:54:42,373 --> 00:54:45,413
Speaker 2: is that it started with a forty million contra deal

935
00:54:45,533 --> 00:54:49,013
Speaker 2: with one big law firm. It's now developed to the

936
00:54:49,093 --> 00:54:52,693
Speaker 2: point where the combination of all the law firms reputedly

937
00:54:52,933 --> 00:54:57,093
Speaker 2: are doing work for the government for nothing amounting to

938
00:54:57,693 --> 00:55:01,573
Speaker 2: a billion dollars. You know, Is that good or bang?

939
00:55:01,653 --> 00:55:04,133
Speaker 4: A lot of these A lot of these big law firms.

940
00:55:04,173 --> 00:55:06,533
Speaker 4: The big law firms are very powerful. They do a

941
00:55:06,533 --> 00:55:09,653
Speaker 4: lot of the highest level work for corporation. They do

942
00:55:09,693 --> 00:55:12,733
Speaker 4: a lot of work with the government, decided to do

943
00:55:12,813 --> 00:55:15,773
Speaker 4: something that was, you know, at the time, seemed like

944
00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:16,613
Speaker 4: a good idea, which is.

945
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:18,293
Speaker 3: Get involved in politics.

946
00:55:19,413 --> 00:55:25,533
Speaker 4: Well, their side lost, and Donald Trump is addressing a

947
00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 4: lot of the issues that they got away with for

948
00:55:28,493 --> 00:55:31,053
Speaker 4: a long time, including civil rights stuff they were not

949
00:55:31,293 --> 00:55:34,533
Speaker 4: you know, they were discriminating and hiring for instance. He's

950
00:55:34,573 --> 00:55:38,813
Speaker 4: pressing them on that. He is taking security clearances away

951
00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:44,053
Speaker 4: from folks who have some shenanigans, particular about the Russia

952
00:55:44,053 --> 00:55:46,853
Speaker 4: Gates stuff. Trump is the guy who does not hesitate

953
00:55:46,893 --> 00:55:50,613
Speaker 4: to use his power against his opponents. Democrats have never

954
00:55:50,653 --> 00:55:53,573
Speaker 4: hesitated to do that. This is a new thing and

955
00:55:53,613 --> 00:55:56,573
Speaker 4: a lot of these law firms are suddenly figuring out, Wait,

956
00:55:56,773 --> 00:55:57,813
Speaker 4: maybe it was a bad.

957
00:55:57,693 --> 00:55:59,333
Speaker 3: Bet to go in on one side.

958
00:56:00,453 --> 00:56:04,813
Speaker 4: Folks who didn't get involved in politics aren't having a problem.

959
00:56:05,213 --> 00:56:09,613
Speaker 4: Folks who chose to get in politics they're having a problem.

960
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:12,853
Speaker 4: Is this is this what I love to see? No,

961
00:56:13,613 --> 00:56:18,013
Speaker 4: I was against this when they wanted to change the

962
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:20,693
Speaker 4: rules and start getting involved in politics. I thought it

963
00:56:20,733 --> 00:56:23,293
Speaker 4: was a bad idea. I said you shouldn't do it.

964
00:56:23,333 --> 00:56:25,413
Speaker 4: They said, no, we have a short term advantage. We're

965
00:56:25,413 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 4: going to grab it and I said, don't be surprised

966
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:31,653
Speaker 4: if the new rules apply to you, and they're applying

967
00:56:33,253 --> 00:56:36,253
Speaker 4: the only Look, I'm a big believer in mutually assured

968
00:56:36,293 --> 00:56:37,973
Speaker 4: distruction and game theory.

969
00:56:38,453 --> 00:56:41,613
Speaker 3: The only way you never win.

970
00:56:42,653 --> 00:56:47,293
Speaker 4: By giving up and letting somebody's misconduct be rewarded, you

971
00:56:47,373 --> 00:56:50,893
Speaker 4: make it so painful for them that they either change

972
00:56:50,933 --> 00:56:54,813
Speaker 4: back to the old norms, which I would prefer, and

973
00:56:55,053 --> 00:56:57,653
Speaker 4: if they don't, at least my enemy didn't get away

974
00:56:57,693 --> 00:56:58,013
Speaker 4: with it.

975
00:56:58,333 --> 00:57:01,493
Speaker 2: So two wrongs don't make it right. That's a line

976
00:57:01,533 --> 00:57:05,093
Speaker 2: that somebody would would throw about a situation like this.

977
00:57:06,093 --> 00:57:09,453
Speaker 3: The question is is it a wrong because it's the rule.

978
00:57:10,213 --> 00:57:12,973
Speaker 4: If the rule is you can use your political power

979
00:57:12,973 --> 00:57:16,413
Speaker 4: against your opponents, that's not a rule I want, But

980
00:57:16,493 --> 00:57:19,293
Speaker 4: that's the rule that exists when I have different rules.

981
00:57:19,373 --> 00:57:20,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, do I think it's a bad idea.

982
00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:23,653
Speaker 4: I think in general it's a bad idea, But I

983
00:57:23,653 --> 00:57:25,493
Speaker 4: think the unilateral disarmament's worse.

984
00:57:26,053 --> 00:57:27,373
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it is.

985
00:57:28,013 --> 00:57:31,493
Speaker 4: You know, you don't stick a bayonet in somebody's gut

986
00:57:32,373 --> 00:57:37,213
Speaker 4: as a general rule, but sometimes it's say they're a

987
00:57:37,293 --> 00:57:40,933
Speaker 4: Nazi and you're coming up a beach at Normandy. Yeah,

988
00:57:41,213 --> 00:57:44,613
Speaker 4: you stick a baynn in somebody's gut. Sometimes you got

989
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:47,613
Speaker 4: to play hardball with folks. I didn't want this game.

990
00:57:48,373 --> 00:57:51,613
Speaker 4: This wasn't my choice. I didn't pick the rule set,

991
00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:53,293
Speaker 4: but I don't intend to lose.

992
00:57:53,453 --> 00:57:57,053
Speaker 2: So what's the connection then, between what's what we're discussing

993
00:57:57,173 --> 00:57:58,093
Speaker 2: and the Constitution.

994
00:57:59,133 --> 00:58:02,813
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, dal Trump's not doing anything that

995
00:58:02,973 --> 00:58:07,893
Speaker 4: I see that violates the Constitution. There are some some

996
00:58:07,973 --> 00:58:10,373
Speaker 4: of the things he wants the schools to do to

997
00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:14,853
Speaker 4: comply with the civil rights laws that exist and are constitutional.

998
00:58:17,013 --> 00:58:20,053
Speaker 4: I think there are some good faith debates there about

999
00:58:20,453 --> 00:58:27,573
Speaker 4: whether some of his demands are appropriate, particularly regarding some

1000
00:58:27,653 --> 00:58:29,093
Speaker 4: of the departments.

1001
00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:32,333
Speaker 3: But overall, overall.

1002
00:58:31,973 --> 00:58:34,333
Speaker 4: What he's doing is within the bounds of the Constitution.

1003
00:58:34,453 --> 00:58:38,933
Speaker 4: The Constitution is not like a foundational mad lib. I

1004
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:41,573
Speaker 4: don't know if you have mad libs in New Zealand,

1005
00:58:41,613 --> 00:58:43,533
Speaker 4: but you kind of like fill in the blanks with

1006
00:58:43,573 --> 00:58:44,933
Speaker 4: whatever you want.

1007
00:58:45,813 --> 00:58:47,213
Speaker 3: The Constitution's not like that.

1008
00:58:47,213 --> 00:58:51,093
Speaker 4: The Constitution says specific things, it doesn't say. It doesn't

1009
00:58:51,133 --> 00:58:54,013
Speaker 4: mean whatever you think is best. It means what it means,

1010
00:58:54,853 --> 00:58:58,453
Speaker 4: and I think he is abiding by the Constitution.

1011
00:58:58,573 --> 00:58:59,453
Speaker 3: We did have one.

1012
00:58:59,733 --> 00:59:02,453
Speaker 4: Notable error where a guy with a order not to

1013
00:59:02,493 --> 00:59:05,453
Speaker 4: be removed Al Salvador. He was an alleged wife beater,

1014
00:59:05,573 --> 00:59:08,253
Speaker 4: if you believe his wife's testimony under penalty of burgery,

1015
00:59:08,653 --> 00:59:11,373
Speaker 4: who had been ordered removed after two or three hearings.

1016
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:14,653
Speaker 4: He got Sentel Salvador. He wasn't supposed to go to

1017
00:59:14,653 --> 00:59:16,933
Speaker 4: El Salvador. He could have gone anywhere else because I'm.

1018
00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:17,453
Speaker 3: In to New Zealand.

1019
00:59:17,973 --> 00:59:19,893
Speaker 2: Not that you go on him.

1020
00:59:20,213 --> 00:59:23,373
Speaker 4: But that was a mistake, and there's a big fight

1021
00:59:23,453 --> 00:59:27,893
Speaker 4: going on over that, and the Supreme Court unanimously said, look,

1022
00:59:28,253 --> 00:59:30,613
Speaker 4: the guy's got to get some sort of doe process.

1023
00:59:30,733 --> 00:59:34,653
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Well in a related case.

1024
00:59:35,133 --> 00:59:40,213
Speaker 4: So look, he's there's always constitutional arguments.

1025
00:59:40,453 --> 00:59:41,333
Speaker 3: I think you make.

1026
00:59:41,173 --> 00:59:44,933
Speaker 4: Those arguments, and if Trump's wrong, you know, you tell

1027
00:59:44,973 --> 00:59:48,213
Speaker 4: me he's wrong. If he's not wrong, then that's the

1028
00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,493
Speaker 4: power he has under our Article two.

1029
00:59:50,733 --> 00:59:54,893
Speaker 2: Okay, So who decides, Well, the first.

1030
00:59:54,653 --> 00:59:57,693
Speaker 4: Guy at his sight should be Trump in that he

1031
00:59:57,733 --> 01:00:01,453
Speaker 4: should not ask for things that are manifestly unconstitutional.

1032
01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:03,053
Speaker 3: And we've had a problem with that.

1033
01:00:03,493 --> 01:00:08,173
Speaker 4: We had Barack Obama and his executive branch, for instance,

1034
01:00:08,813 --> 01:00:14,533
Speaker 4: empower folks to censor speech by going to things like

1035
01:00:14,573 --> 01:00:17,773
Speaker 4: Facebook and stuff and saying silence this guy. Massive First

1036
01:00:17,813 --> 01:00:21,293
Speaker 4: Amendment violation. This is a huge issue. So the first

1037
01:00:21,333 --> 01:00:25,333
Speaker 4: thing you do is you honor your oaths. You never ask,

1038
01:00:26,893 --> 01:00:29,333
Speaker 4: you never allow your branch to do something that you

1039
01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:32,893
Speaker 4: believe is clearly unconstitutional. There are other things where you

1040
01:00:32,893 --> 01:00:34,613
Speaker 4: can have legitimate debates about it.

1041
01:00:35,693 --> 01:00:38,213
Speaker 3: That's where the courts come in. And the courts need to.

1042
01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:44,533
Speaker 4: Not reflexively vote in the way of the political party that.

1043
01:00:46,813 --> 01:00:48,173
Speaker 3: Nominated them to the post.

1044
01:00:49,253 --> 01:00:52,813
Speaker 4: They need to look at each issue individually, look at

1045
01:00:52,813 --> 01:00:59,173
Speaker 4: the existing law, apply common sense and the normal canons

1046
01:00:59,173 --> 01:01:03,653
Speaker 4: of judicial interpretation and come to a ruling, and then

1047
01:01:03,653 --> 01:01:05,293
Speaker 4: the Court of Appeal needs to do it. And then

1048
01:01:05,293 --> 01:01:07,213
Speaker 4: if it gets the Supreme Court, Supreme Court needs to

1049
01:01:07,213 --> 01:01:10,893
Speaker 4: do and if you do it fairly and you do

1050
01:01:10,973 --> 01:01:16,493
Speaker 4: it honestly, And a good test is, you know, did

1051
01:01:16,493 --> 01:01:19,653
Speaker 4: a liberal judge across the across the aisle of vote

1052
01:01:19,653 --> 01:01:20,293
Speaker 4: with conservatives?

1053
01:01:20,293 --> 01:01:23,493
Speaker 3: Did conservatives across the oud of vote with liberals. That's a.

1054
01:01:25,813 --> 01:01:29,093
Speaker 4: Good indicator that they're actually, you know, trying to think

1055
01:01:29,173 --> 01:01:34,253
Speaker 4: these things through rather than just voting on pure politics.

1056
01:01:35,293 --> 01:01:38,413
Speaker 4: The courts will be respected and you know, to have

1057
01:01:38,573 --> 01:01:41,173
Speaker 4: a democracy, and of course America is a republic. I know.

1058
01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:43,733
Speaker 4: I know that, but we'll call it a democracy because

1059
01:01:43,733 --> 01:01:47,293
Speaker 4: people do for shorthand if you're to have a democracy,

1060
01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:52,613
Speaker 4: you have to accept that you can lose. The key

1061
01:01:52,653 --> 01:01:56,013
Speaker 4: to democracy is not what you can do. It's how

1062
01:01:56,013 --> 01:01:59,493
Speaker 4: you react when you don't get your way. And if

1063
01:01:59,493 --> 01:02:02,533
Speaker 4: you think your country is legitimate. You know, at the

1064
01:02:02,653 --> 01:02:04,893
Speaker 4: end of the day, when you don't win on something,

1065
01:02:05,093 --> 01:02:08,013
Speaker 4: you say, look, I was heard. I had a fair

1066
01:02:08,093 --> 01:02:11,933
Speaker 4: chance to make my point. The people or the uh

1067
01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:14,933
Speaker 4: you know, the tools of the people where an article one,

1068
01:02:15,053 --> 01:02:17,853
Speaker 4: two or three looked at it and it came and

1069
01:02:17,893 --> 01:02:21,613
Speaker 4: it came to a decision. It's contrary, but I can

1070
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:25,493
Speaker 4: accept that because I was heard and my voice was heard.

1071
01:02:25,613 --> 01:02:28,493
Speaker 4: And democracy is not a problem a promise I always

1072
01:02:28,493 --> 01:02:31,133
Speaker 4: get my way. It's a promise that we will have

1073
01:02:31,253 --> 01:02:34,733
Speaker 4: forms and structure to protect my right to participate in

1074
01:02:34,773 --> 01:02:35,533
Speaker 4: my own government.

1075
01:02:35,973 --> 01:02:42,493
Speaker 2: Talking of disagreements in the legal sphere, Letitia James, the

1076
01:02:42,653 --> 01:02:45,373
Speaker 2: New York Attorney General, I can only I can only

1077
01:02:45,453 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 2: say that it's it's a rarity to find such a

1078
01:02:49,173 --> 01:02:53,333
Speaker 2: nasty piece of work. But she ran her campaign when

1079
01:02:53,493 --> 01:02:56,653
Speaker 2: when she ran for the for the job on the

1080
01:02:56,693 --> 01:03:00,893
Speaker 2: back of loocking Trump up forever, and she lost that one.

1081
01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:04,013
Speaker 2: She tried the hardest, but she made it very difficult

1082
01:03:04,093 --> 01:03:07,133
Speaker 2: and still hangovers from it. It looks like she's that

1083
01:03:07,213 --> 01:03:11,653
Speaker 2: she's guilty of some corruption herself. Take it from there.

1084
01:03:13,013 --> 01:03:18,213
Speaker 4: Well, Letitia James essentially manufactured a civil suit against Donald

1085
01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:25,133
Speaker 4: Trump's companies involving loans and valuations of properties, and there

1086
01:03:25,173 --> 01:03:28,053
Speaker 4: was a trial from a judge who, frankly, to my view,

1087
01:03:28,133 --> 01:03:29,013
Speaker 4: seems biased.

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Speaker 3: That's up on a he got hit for like four

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. That is.

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Speaker 4: Ridiculous in my view. It's up on appeal. I think

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Speaker 4: he'll be thrown out on appeal.

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Speaker 3: But you were correct.

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Speaker 4: She ran on a platform of I'm going to find

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Speaker 4: something to sue Donald Trump about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about new rules.

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Speaker 4: That's a really dumb new rule to have, particularly if

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Speaker 4: you have problems with your own mortgage issues. It is

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Speaker 4: a federal crime to lie on a mortgage application. There

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Speaker 4: is evidence from others, and I'm all, this's allegations.

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Speaker 3: She has a right to a trial.

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Speaker 4: I'm not presuming she's guilty, but the allegations are that

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Speaker 4: she lie in significant ways that saved her significant money

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Speaker 4: multiple times and bizarrely, long after the Statue of Limitations,

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Speaker 4: or long since long before the Statue of limitations, we've

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Speaker 4: run she represents herself as being married to her father

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Speaker 4: to get loans, which is just freakish. In any case,

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Speaker 4: these are federal crimes. The Department of Justice is the

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Speaker 4: news flash, is about ninety seven percent conviction rate. He

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Speaker 4: usually doesn't take cases it's going to lose, I would

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Speaker 4: expect because one of the houses was in Virginia, and

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Speaker 4: a federal crime can be charged anywhere the crime was committed.

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Speaker 4: While she's a New Yorker, I think there is a

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Speaker 4: decent chance. Maybe they do the Northern District. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if yeah, I think Northern District of New York

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Speaker 4: or the Eastern District of Virginia. They're not gonna do

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Speaker 4: this Southern District of New York, which is New York City.

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Speaker 4: But you go, the Department of Justice will find a

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Speaker 4: favorable venue, a favorable place where they think they have

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Speaker 4: a good jury pool that would be disinclined to have

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Speaker 4: sympathy for her, and they're going to charge her with

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Speaker 4: multiple felonies. Charger with mail fraud, wire fraud, various types

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Speaker 4: of fraud, and of course, mortgage fraud, and she could

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Speaker 4: go to jail for years, and politicians have gone to

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Speaker 4: jail for years, And I just think it's you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna go after a guy who's president for

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Speaker 4: some sort of loan shenanigans, you better make sure your

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Speaker 4: loans are perfect down to the tee. You better have

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Speaker 4: your accountants go over them three or four times each. Okay,

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Speaker 4: she's not a smart lady, but I think this was arrogance.

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Speaker 4: I think when she decided that the new rule would

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Speaker 4: be I'm going to use the power of my political

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Speaker 4: office solely to go an attempt to punish by creating

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Speaker 4: and she did create these charges against Trump. They are

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Speaker 4: ridiculous ever bred brought against Aby before.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, they'll be thrown out on appeal.

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Speaker 4: Uh you know, you you need to understand that those

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Speaker 4: rules are going to get applied to you.

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Speaker 3: And apparently some group went out got her.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, took a look at it and said, hey, wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, she's lied, and uh uh, it's now been

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Speaker 4: referred to the Department of Justice. And I expect she'll

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Speaker 4: be charged, and I expect you'll be convicted, and I

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Speaker 4: expect she.

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Speaker 2: Will go to jail couldn't happen to a NASA woman.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you know, if you don't want none, don't start

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Speaker 4: None is the uh is the expression?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: If she just said, Hey, if Donald Trump does something wrong,

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Speaker 4: I'll prosecute him.

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Speaker 3: And if he doesn't do anything wrong, I.

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Speaker 4: Won't everybody go oh okay, but no, no, she had

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Speaker 4: to make that the therapiece of her campaign.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, but is that hoisted on your note her

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Speaker 3: own petard?

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Speaker 2: As they say, as they say, I just want to

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Speaker 2: touch finally on Iran. I watched I watched Jack Keen

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Speaker 2: on television yesterday, the general retired general talking about the

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Speaker 2: nuclear talks with Iran, which seemed to be seemed to

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Speaker 2: be underway at some level between America and Iran. What

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Speaker 2: chance do you think? Oh? By the way, Keen had

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Speaker 2: no hesitation in saying that he thought that the Iranians

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Speaker 2: were lying through their teeth and that they wouldn't fulfill

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Speaker 2: the promises that were the deal that they were discussing.

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Speaker 2: What chance would you put on a serious fighting war

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Speaker 2: with Iran?

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Speaker 4: Well, it wouldn't really be a war with Iran. It

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Speaker 4: would be a very one sided things. Remember, in the

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Speaker 4: conservative movement there were a lot of people who were

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Speaker 4: burned very very heavily about the War on Terror, and

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Speaker 4: they saw it mishandled. They saw a lot of Americans

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Speaker 4: and Allies killed and named without a strategy, without a plan.

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Speaker 4: And you know, there is an anti war strain through

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Speaker 4: the conservative American the Republican Party, largely because it's mostly

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Speaker 4: Republicans who go fight right, you know. You know, there

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Speaker 4: are not a lot of not a lot of liberal

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Speaker 4: Democrats from you know, Harvard and Princeton out there on

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Speaker 4: the front lines. I was until I became a reservist,

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Speaker 4: where all the senior officers are fairly successful businessmen. I

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Speaker 4: probably I came from a normal suburban family, as my

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Speaker 4: mom was a.

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Speaker 3: Judge, so maybe I wasn't that normal.

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Speaker 4: But I was always one of the more affluent guys

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Speaker 4: in the that I knew, and it was my guys

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Speaker 4: who paid the price. So there's there's an anti war thing.

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Speaker 4: But that said, Iran took our hostages in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 4: We lost eight guys at Desert One trying to rescue them.

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Speaker 4: They killed hundreds of Americans in Beirut bombings. They killed hundreds,

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Speaker 4: maybe thousands of Americans in their way, and my feeling

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Speaker 4: about the Mulas is they all have to die, you

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Speaker 4: know they we taught. I mentioned people think about the Romans.

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Speaker 2: I do too.

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Speaker 4: The Romans didn't tolerate that stuff. I don't see why

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Speaker 4: Americans should. If you kill Americans, you need to die.

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Speaker 4: They cannot get nuclear weapons, they will use them, and

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Speaker 4: that has to be stought. So my choice, and it

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Speaker 4: is not the choice to some of my friends. For instance,

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Speaker 4: Jad Dance is reputed to be very against it.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: Pete haggs Backs, who I support, is rumored to be

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Speaker 4: against it. I don't know what counsel is given the president.

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Speaker 4: Guys like Tucker Carlson, who I've met and I respect

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Speaker 4: a lot. Though I disagree with them about some things,

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Speaker 4: I disagree with them about this too. I am all

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Speaker 4: forgetting with Israel and conducting a comprehensive campaign to completely

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Speaker 4: annihilate both the nuclear weapons capability of the Iranians and

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Speaker 4: Thera leadership.

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Speaker 3: I would kill all the mall as I could.

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Speaker 4: I would wipe out their Republican guard and their security

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Speaker 4: apparatus to the Persian people can throw these semi humans dictators,

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Speaker 4: yoke off their back and become the great and prosperous

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01:10:23,733 --> 01:10:27,373
Speaker 4: people they should be. The United States, particularly Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: has benefited greatly by the number of Persians who escaped

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Speaker 4: and came over. And these are wonderful people who deserve

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Speaker 4: to be free, and I think we should help them.

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Speaker 3: But we need to take out there.

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Speaker 4: We need to take out their capacity to create nuclear

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Speaker 4: weapons and do ballistic missiles and pay them back for

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Speaker 4: murdering Americans.

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Speaker 3: It's important to set a marker. If you kill an.

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Speaker 4: American, just you know, make sure your affairs in order,

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Speaker 4: because we're going to get you, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: get everybody around you. So you might want to send

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Speaker 4: the family off somewhere else. And I have I make

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Speaker 4: no bones about that. This is a you know you,

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Speaker 4: if you're going to fight, you need to be serious.

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Speaker 4: That's the hallmark of Jacksonian foreign policy. Get in there

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Speaker 4: and win hard so that they never even dream of

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Speaker 4: messing with you again. A good example is Japan, where

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Speaker 4: both both my grandparents were on navy ships in the

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Speaker 4: Pacific when.

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Speaker 3: That war ended.

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Speaker 4: I right now, we have a correlation of forces over there.

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Speaker 4: We have b two bombers in position, we have two

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Speaker 4: carrier task forces, and this is all public information. I'm

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Speaker 4: not giving you anything secret therapalistic missile subs or cruise

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Speaker 4: missile subs, and the Israelis are ready to go. I say,

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Speaker 4: wipe out, wipe it out, get it done. That that

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Speaker 4: would be my vote. And if I was advising the president,

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Speaker 4: that's why i'd say. Of course, I'm not the president.

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Speaker 4: I didn't win an election. The trust isn't in me.

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Speaker 4: All I can do is give my best best advice

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Speaker 4: if asked, and that would be my best advice.

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Speaker 2: Is well, I have to say, you've given us a

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Speaker 2: very good advice at opinion over the last eighty minutes,

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Speaker 2: and it's been most enjoyable. I thank you, and I

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Speaker 2: invite you to return at some stage.

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Speaker 4: I would be happy to return anytime. I've really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: You man, you know, if you're representative of the kind

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Speaker 4: of level of a discourse that New Zealand has, congratulations

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Speaker 4: because that's that's that's sure impressive, because I think we've

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Speaker 2: Thank you, good, thank you. Here we are for a

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Speaker 2: podcast two hundred and eighty one in the mailroom, missus producer.

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Speaker 2: Are you comfortable, I'm great.

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Speaker 6: Well comfortable.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a very hard chair, same chair you

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Speaker 2: sit on every weekend. Never complained this week It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. Okay, let me lead, if you

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Speaker 2: don't mind. On this occasion from Gatherine, salutations lately, after

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Speaker 2: all these years, a number one fan of your ZEBB

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Speaker 2: nine to twelve show makes contact. I loved those days

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Speaker 2: when they were never complete without hearing your latest renderings

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Speaker 2: on the news of the moment. I went into a

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Speaker 2: state of complete decline for a significant time after you

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Speaker 2: retired from that position. I always felt missus producer led

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Speaker 2: you to consider new perspectives on life. There was hope.

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Speaker 2: So when I went through a period of disillusionment at

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Speaker 2: your seeming to be stuck in the old paradigm, when

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Speaker 2: and information. Then I noticed your more recent guest list

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Speaker 2: and began listening again, and my faith in your judgment

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Speaker 2: has returned. It is so so wonderful to see because

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Speaker 2: you are and have always previously been an important truth

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Speaker 2: slash fact teller. I take that as a compliment I

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Speaker 2: would if I were you in terms of the whole

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Speaker 2: COVID debarcle. I do understand that my advantage has been

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Speaker 2: a background as an nz RM and midwife, had a

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Speaker 2: keen interest in what was to become a nightmare of

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Speaker 2: a time to look back on, but also realizing that

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Speaker 2: the repercussions are ongoing and still very current with the

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Speaker 2: I was deeply suspicious early on that the mRNA biowarfare

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Speaker 2: population control therapy should not be used, let alone mandated.

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Speaker 2: I agree it would have been acceptable to target vulnerable

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Speaker 2: Doctor Robert Malone and doctor Peter mccullor and doctor Pier

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Speaker 2: Corey with voices I heard early on, the authorities did

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Speaker 2: all sorts of things pre twenty twenty in preparing or

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Speaker 2: in preparation for their plan. This included changing the definition

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Speaker 2: of the word vaccine to incorporate this new and poorly

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Speaker 2: tested platform, mRNA. This product should be called genetic therapy.

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Speaker 2: Many people still do not understand this. And as she writes,

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Speaker 2: a whole lot more in bullet points so it doesn't

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Speaker 2: become too long and winded. And here's the first one

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01:16:03,453 --> 01:16:06,533
Speaker 2: or two. And there are so many truth tellers now

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01:16:06,733 --> 01:16:10,613
Speaker 2: in independent media into and people are starting to wake up.

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01:16:10,653 --> 01:16:13,933
Speaker 2: Podcasts are such a great medium, and I enjoy being

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01:16:13,973 --> 01:16:16,573
Speaker 2: able to hear exactly what is said, but also to

1304
01:16:16,613 --> 01:16:19,813
Speaker 2: watch the body language. Well, let's if you've got podcasts

1305
01:16:19,813 --> 01:16:22,573
Speaker 2: with pictures, which they were never meant to me. Podcasts

1306
01:16:22,573 --> 01:16:26,453
Speaker 2: originally were audio, and so we stay with the tradition.

1307
01:16:26,773 --> 01:16:30,213
Speaker 2: Maybe missus producer can talk me around as something. Secondly,

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01:16:30,733 --> 01:16:34,413
Speaker 2: mainstream media, both here and internationally, is over and I

1309
01:16:34,453 --> 01:16:37,213
Speaker 2: find it impossible to stomach their lives and half truths

1310
01:16:37,213 --> 01:16:40,893
Speaker 2: on politics and to watch and know what mouthpieces they

1311
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:46,053
Speaker 2: are specifically for the left wing political parties, or maybe

1312
01:16:46,053 --> 01:16:47,933
Speaker 2: that should be that they are for the left wing

1313
01:16:47,933 --> 01:16:51,213
Speaker 2: political parties. TV and Z and The Herald have not improved,

1314
01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:54,453
Speaker 2: and every mention of President Trump is still negative as

1315
01:16:54,493 --> 01:16:58,253
Speaker 2: it has been since twenty sixteen. I do still have

1316
01:16:58,373 --> 01:17:02,253
Speaker 2: a brief daily update from my Fox favorite hosts, and

1317
01:17:02,293 --> 01:17:04,333
Speaker 2: to keep up with the current state of play, but

1318
01:17:04,453 --> 01:17:07,853
Speaker 2: don't hang on their every word. We will leave politics

1319
01:17:07,893 --> 01:17:11,413
Speaker 2: there and stay with COVID, and she makes mention of

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01:17:11,493 --> 01:17:13,973
Speaker 2: Guy Hatchett, who was right on the money.

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01:17:15,013 --> 01:17:17,853
Speaker 6: Laden Jin says, I always thought that New Zealand politics

1322
01:17:17,933 --> 01:17:22,053
Speaker 6: was boring compared to American politics. A Luxe and Hipkins

1323
01:17:22,173 --> 01:17:26,293
Speaker 6: debate pales into comparison to a Trump Biden debate. Recently,

1324
01:17:26,333 --> 01:17:28,813
Speaker 6: I was on a family holiday and Australia and I

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01:17:28,933 --> 01:17:32,493
Speaker 6: turned into a leader's debate between Albanese and Dutton just

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01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:35,133
Speaker 6: to get a feel of what the Australian political landscape

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01:17:35,173 --> 01:17:38,333
Speaker 6: was like. And boy, to my surprise, I found that

1328
01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:41,813
Speaker 6: Australian politics was even more boring than New Zealand politics.

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01:17:42,373 --> 01:17:46,493
Speaker 6: Both Albow and Dutton struggled to articulate any inspiring vision.

1330
01:17:46,933 --> 01:17:50,013
Speaker 6: As Nick Kata said in Your podcast, we knew Obama

1331
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:53,453
Speaker 6: clearly stood for woke, while Trump stood for anti woke.

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01:17:53,813 --> 01:17:56,013
Speaker 6: With Albo and Dutten, I had no idea which either

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01:17:56,053 --> 01:18:00,333
Speaker 6: of them really stood for in their debate. Quadrant Magazine's

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01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,853
Speaker 6: Peter Smith gave a pretty good explanation in his short

1335
01:18:03,973 --> 01:18:09,173
Speaker 6: article The Dripping wet alternative. He said Labour offers a

1336
01:18:09,253 --> 01:18:13,093
Speaker 6: road to ruin and the Libs and Gnats seemingly same roads,

1337
01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:16,853
Speaker 6: lower speed. He gave a long list of Albanesi's failures

1338
01:18:16,893 --> 01:18:20,973
Speaker 6: and provided a reason why Albo might still prevail despite

1339
01:18:21,053 --> 01:18:26,373
Speaker 6: leading the most inact government in recent history. Concluded by saying,

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01:18:27,173 --> 01:18:30,013
Speaker 6: essentially it comes down to the absence of an opposition

1341
01:18:30,133 --> 01:18:34,173
Speaker 6: party with conviction and courage. The Libs Wet through and

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01:18:34,213 --> 01:18:39,493
Speaker 6: through inspire very few. It's time to start inspiring. Dutton

1343
01:18:39,573 --> 01:18:42,413
Speaker 6: needs to inspire Australians or he will leave Australians with

1344
01:18:42,533 --> 01:18:46,813
Speaker 6: a Labour Greens government. The twenty twenty five Australian election

1345
01:18:46,933 --> 01:18:50,333
Speaker 6: will prove whether the Ossies have learned anything from their

1346
01:18:50,453 --> 01:18:54,573
Speaker 6: Kiwi neighbors our greatest mistake of electing a Labour Greens government,

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01:18:54,693 --> 01:18:57,773
Speaker 6: which ushered in six years of national pain.

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Speaker 2: The aforementioned Peter Smith is an expat by the way,

1349
01:19:03,693 --> 01:19:07,573
Speaker 2: I think comes from the Hawks Bay region, but I

1350
01:19:07,613 --> 01:19:10,813
Speaker 2: could be wrong. It's onny a loose memory that tells

1351
01:19:10,853 --> 01:19:16,453
Speaker 2: me that okay from Gerald. My wife is presently reclaiming

1352
01:19:16,493 --> 01:19:19,613
Speaker 2: our office room at home after many years of it

1353
01:19:19,693 --> 01:19:22,173
Speaker 2: becoming a storage place for nothing. We need.

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01:19:23,653 --> 01:19:23,933
Speaker 4: Later.

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01:19:24,333 --> 01:19:28,813
Speaker 2: Hello, that sounds just like you. Look around and tell

1356
01:19:28,853 --> 01:19:31,333
Speaker 2: me what there is here that is not needed.

1357
01:19:31,653 --> 01:19:34,653
Speaker 6: Don't get me started, not in this room. Oh you

1358
01:19:34,773 --> 01:19:36,413
Speaker 6: don't even get me started.

1359
01:19:36,493 --> 01:19:41,333
Speaker 2: You couldn't whilst filling our recycling bin with what now

1360
01:19:41,453 --> 01:19:45,853
Speaker 2: is unwanted paperwork? Is she noticed with interest promises written

1361
01:19:46,053 --> 01:19:49,253
Speaker 2: twenty years ago by the National Party. Initially we found

1362
01:19:49,253 --> 01:19:53,973
Speaker 2: the words amusing. However, within minutes I became frustrated, then

1363
01:19:54,013 --> 01:19:58,533
Speaker 2: annoyed that our society is still fighting the same issues today.

1364
01:19:59,013 --> 01:20:03,693
Speaker 2: I'm sure similar frustrations have already been aired. However, wish

1365
01:20:03,813 --> 01:20:07,213
Speaker 2: to share our findings with you, if only to start

1366
01:20:07,213 --> 01:20:10,693
Speaker 2: a conversation with your listeners as to why obvious failing

1367
01:20:10,813 --> 01:20:14,533
Speaker 2: standards are continuing to be our country's biggest challenge. I

1368
01:20:14,573 --> 01:20:17,293
Speaker 2: look forward to any feedback, if any, to my question.

1369
01:20:17,573 --> 01:20:19,973
Speaker 2: Or is it going to be easier to ask Trump

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01:20:20,533 --> 01:20:23,293
Speaker 2: to consider New Zealand as their fifty first state instead

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Speaker 2: of Canada? And by the way, I so enjoy your

1372
01:20:26,293 --> 01:20:30,573
Speaker 2: interviews and commentary, Hence I have been for some time

1373
01:20:30,653 --> 01:20:34,973
Speaker 2: now an enthusiastic advocate for your podcast. Keep it up.

1374
01:20:35,093 --> 01:20:38,053
Speaker 2: Best wishes, Gerald from the NAKI.

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01:20:38,853 --> 01:20:41,653
Speaker 6: Leighton David says, I've just finished listening to your episode

1376
01:20:41,653 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 6: two eighty and I'm communicating with you about the study

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01:20:44,293 --> 01:20:48,053
Speaker 6: on the intelligence of vaccine adherents. Both my older brothers

1378
01:20:48,093 --> 01:20:51,133
Speaker 6: made the decision to get vaccinated for COVID. Both have

1379
01:20:51,253 --> 01:20:53,773
Speaker 6: done well in their lives. The oldest was ducks of

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01:20:53,853 --> 01:20:56,093
Speaker 6: his high school and came top in his years at

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01:20:56,133 --> 01:21:00,293
Speaker 6: Forestry School at Canterbury University. He has had multiple jabs,

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01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:03,773
Speaker 6: five or six and isn't quite sure. The second, as

1383
01:21:03,813 --> 01:21:06,893
Speaker 6: an embsc in computer science, has worked in various parts

1384
01:21:06,933 --> 01:21:11,133
Speaker 6: of the world undertaking time for companies using software. He wrote,

1385
01:21:11,253 --> 01:21:14,013
Speaker 6: he has had at least two jabs. Both are retired

1386
01:21:14,053 --> 01:21:17,933
Speaker 6: and live a very comfortable life regardless of doses. This

1387
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:21,933
Speaker 6: spares out the research by Ofir and scharraz I warned

1388
01:21:21,933 --> 01:21:23,613
Speaker 6: them not to take the jab where it could have

1389
01:21:23,733 --> 01:21:26,333
Speaker 6: serious consequences, but what would I know. I'm only a

1390
01:21:26,373 --> 01:21:31,013
Speaker 6: conspiracy theorist. Big Farmer have captured many, many people. The

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01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:34,053
Speaker 6: aforementioned brothers chose to hand over their health to buy

1392
01:21:34,053 --> 01:21:38,653
Speaker 6: and large incompetent doctors and corrupt corporations rather than investigate

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01:21:38,733 --> 01:21:42,853
Speaker 6: and make lifestyle changes. Tis a funny thing, this intelligence.

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01:21:43,493 --> 01:21:48,173
Speaker 2: It's from David. David interesting. I like hearing family stories

1395
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:48,373
Speaker 2: like that.

1396
01:21:48,813 --> 01:21:51,213
Speaker 6: I've just had my second shingles chab yesterday.

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01:21:51,693 --> 01:21:52,493
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it?

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01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:56,653
Speaker 6: I did not enjoy it. Actually, I think I reacted

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01:21:56,693 --> 01:21:59,893
Speaker 6: a little bit to both of them. But I'm quite

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01:21:59,933 --> 01:22:03,293
Speaker 6: happy that I've had that you are, And in fact,

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01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:05,733
Speaker 6: I only read this morning that there is new research

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01:22:05,853 --> 01:22:10,893
Speaker 6: that reckons that an unan tended consequence of that particular

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01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:15,573
Speaker 6: vaccination could be a relatively good resistance to dementia.

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01:22:15,613 --> 01:22:16,173
Speaker 2: They reckon.

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01:22:16,253 --> 01:22:19,813
Speaker 6: Now anyway, it's done. It's in my arm, which is

1406
01:22:19,893 --> 01:22:22,493
Speaker 6: throbbing like crazy, even after eighteen hours.

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01:22:23,853 --> 01:22:28,493
Speaker 2: Just going back to the Naki because what I didn't

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01:22:28,533 --> 01:22:32,853
Speaker 2: do was refer to what he'd actually he said a

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01:22:32,853 --> 01:22:36,653
Speaker 2: picture of one of the things that they've been that

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01:22:36,733 --> 01:22:40,933
Speaker 2: they found reading. And it's a bit difficult in the

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01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:46,253
Speaker 2: reproduced form. But National is in the process of formulating policies.

1412
01:22:46,733 --> 01:22:50,573
Speaker 2: As you will be aware, we have pledged an end

1413
01:22:50,613 --> 01:22:54,053
Speaker 2: to race based policies and to get tough on crime.

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01:22:54,933 --> 01:22:58,333
Speaker 2: There will be no backtracking on our commitment to ensure

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01:22:58,373 --> 01:23:01,813
Speaker 2: that all New Zealanders, regardless of race, treated equally under

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01:23:01,853 --> 01:23:05,773
Speaker 2: the law. We will end the race based absurdities and

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01:23:05,853 --> 01:23:10,093
Speaker 2: political correctness which will otherwise condemned this country to a

1418
01:23:10,173 --> 01:23:13,613
Speaker 2: Pacific backwater. But we need to address issues in education

1419
01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:17,453
Speaker 2: that means that many of our youngsters leave school unable

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01:23:17,493 --> 01:23:21,893
Speaker 2: to read and write properly and undertake basic mathematics. We

1421
01:23:21,973 --> 01:23:26,973
Speaker 2: have urgent demands for new roads, but politically correct legislation,

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01:23:27,213 --> 01:23:30,573
Speaker 2: thanks to Labor and the Greens, stops the bulldozers from

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01:23:30,733 --> 01:23:34,173
Speaker 2: being started. Our streets in many areas are unsafe, and

1424
01:23:34,213 --> 01:23:37,053
Speaker 2: police do not have the resources to respond quickly to burgeries.

1425
01:23:37,853 --> 01:23:40,613
Speaker 2: And it goes on. I just thought a bit about

1426
01:23:40,653 --> 01:23:45,173
Speaker 2: our streets are unsafe after that murder that took place

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01:23:45,413 --> 01:23:52,013
Speaker 2: in Saint John's a few days ago. So finally from Jered.

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01:23:52,573 --> 01:23:55,693
Speaker 2: It was Gerald previously. This is Jered late and as

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01:23:55,693 --> 01:23:58,173
Speaker 2: you will read, I started as email after hearing your

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01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:01,453
Speaker 2: podcast with Muriel Newman. Once I started, I kept coming

1431
01:24:01,493 --> 01:24:04,933
Speaker 2: back to it with more thoughts, ideas and suggestions. I

1432
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:08,093
Speaker 2: would like to think that you will find them interesting,

1433
01:24:08,573 --> 01:24:11,213
Speaker 2: although you may not agree with them all or any

1434
01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:13,653
Speaker 2: of them. I've been meaning to drop you a line

1435
01:24:13,653 --> 01:24:16,253
Speaker 2: for quite a while now, but listening to your not

1436
01:24:16,293 --> 01:24:19,613
Speaker 2: so recent interview with Muriel Newman has prompted me to

1437
01:24:19,293 --> 01:24:23,053
Speaker 2: get on with it and strike while the iron is hot.

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01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:26,413
Speaker 2: Chris Luxen and National are sticking to their knitting and

1439
01:24:26,613 --> 01:24:29,133
Speaker 2: think that if they get the economy back on track,

1440
01:24:29,253 --> 01:24:31,893
Speaker 2: then they'll be voted in for a second term. Wrong,

1441
01:24:32,013 --> 01:24:35,173
Speaker 2: says Gered. They're not addressing the one issue that concerns

1442
01:24:35,253 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 2: most New Zealand is over thirty with IQs that actually

1443
01:24:38,133 --> 01:24:42,013
Speaker 2: reach double digits, the Treaty of Waitangi and all its encumbrances.

1444
01:24:42,653 --> 01:24:45,853
Speaker 2: Neither have they learnt from Comrades Clark and a Dern.

1445
01:24:46,493 --> 01:24:49,853
Speaker 2: Those two put all the unpopular laws, rules and regulations

1446
01:24:49,853 --> 01:24:52,333
Speaker 2: and bills into play as soon as they were in power.

1447
01:24:52,653 --> 01:24:54,733
Speaker 2: It gave the voters three years or so to accept

1448
01:24:54,853 --> 01:24:57,453
Speaker 2: or forget about them. I'm in my early seventies and

1449
01:24:57,573 --> 01:25:01,053
Speaker 2: was born into a socialist country post World War II.

1450
01:25:01,573 --> 01:25:04,493
Speaker 2: The country was relatively isolated from the rest of the world,

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01:25:04,533 --> 01:25:09,253
Speaker 2: and we the citizens were insulated or detected from all

1452
01:25:09,293 --> 01:25:12,453
Speaker 2: the negatives experienced by other countries in the world, especially

1453
01:25:12,533 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 2: Europe and the devastation experienced there during the war. My

1454
01:25:17,453 --> 01:25:20,613
Speaker 2: country was rock solid, no overseas debt, very little crime.

1455
01:25:20,733 --> 01:25:22,773
Speaker 2: No one needed to lock doors. We slept with the

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01:25:22,773 --> 01:25:26,693
Speaker 2: windows open. Mainly in houses that would today be considered

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01:25:27,093 --> 01:25:31,413
Speaker 2: very low standard, if not condemned. Men worked, women stayed home,

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01:25:31,493 --> 01:25:34,173
Speaker 2: looking after the house and brought up the children. Divorce

1459
01:25:34,253 --> 01:25:36,573
Speaker 2: was difficult to get and people were brought up to

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01:25:36,613 --> 01:25:40,373
Speaker 2: make the right choice of partner, as it was generally

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01:25:40,453 --> 01:25:44,693
Speaker 2: accepted that marriage was for a lifetime. Christianity in all

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01:25:44,693 --> 01:25:47,493
Speaker 2: its forms, were the country's religion, but that didn't stop

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01:25:47,533 --> 01:25:52,733
Speaker 2: atheists from practicing their calling. Respect was throughout society. Schools

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01:25:52,773 --> 01:25:56,213
Speaker 2: existed to educate children and were non political. We voted

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01:25:56,213 --> 01:25:58,573
Speaker 2: in the government and just trusted them to get on

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01:25:58,653 --> 01:26:01,613
Speaker 2: with the job. If we didn't like them, they paid

1467
01:26:01,613 --> 01:26:05,173
Speaker 2: the price. Three years later. Politics were stable as it

1468
01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:10,013
Speaker 2: was a first past The post system was paramount. I

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01:26:10,053 --> 01:26:13,053
Speaker 2: seem to remember something along those lines. The final settlement

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01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:16,293
Speaker 2: of the Treaty of the Treaty was paid to the

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01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:19,933
Speaker 2: Mary Queen in I think nineteen thirty eight, and it

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01:26:20,093 --> 01:26:23,573
Speaker 2: was the princely sum of over eight hundred thousand pounds.

1473
01:26:23,813 --> 01:26:26,933
Speaker 2: The media was politically neutral and its functions were to

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01:26:26,973 --> 01:26:29,853
Speaker 2: tell the truth, give a balanced story, and protect the

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01:26:29,933 --> 01:26:34,493
Speaker 2: English language. The country's second main religion was rugby, and

1476
01:26:34,573 --> 01:26:37,973
Speaker 2: when the All Blacks played the only conversation for the

1477
01:26:38,013 --> 01:26:41,293
Speaker 2: week before was the coming game, and he goes on

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01:26:41,533 --> 01:26:47,733
Speaker 2: for some considerable length and it runs into twenty pages.

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01:26:49,693 --> 01:26:53,653
Speaker 2: I only printed the first four wow, twenty pages, but

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01:26:53,733 --> 01:26:56,453
Speaker 2: it was a good effort, Jared, and I'm going to

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01:26:56,533 --> 01:26:59,333
Speaker 2: keep those twenty pages. I have already filed them, but

1482
01:26:59,773 --> 01:27:02,973
Speaker 2: I might refer to them from time to time. So

1483
01:27:03,053 --> 01:27:06,253
Speaker 2: thank you, missus, producer, thank you latent. Thanks you may depart,

1484
01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:23,013
Speaker 2: I shall and see you next week. You will. So

1485
01:27:23,093 --> 01:27:26,733
Speaker 2: it's not for any particular religious reason that I'm going

1486
01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:31,293
Speaker 2: to quote what is coming. It's more for the geopolitical

1487
01:27:31,613 --> 01:27:35,693
Speaker 2: aspects of the papacy, and it needs to be recognized

1488
01:27:35,733 --> 01:27:39,613
Speaker 2: that the Papacy of the Vatican has a geopolitical role

1489
01:27:39,653 --> 01:27:43,853
Speaker 2: that it plays rightly or wrongly. I was tempted to

1490
01:27:44,053 --> 01:27:49,293
Speaker 2: quote from Paul Williams book Operation Gladio, the Unholy Alliance

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01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:52,693
Speaker 2: between the Vatican and the Cia and the Mafia. However,

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01:27:53,573 --> 01:27:57,893
Speaker 2: this is appropriate because of the death of Pope Francis

1493
01:27:58,293 --> 01:28:01,733
Speaker 2: and where the papacy goes from here. So it's a

1494
01:28:01,813 --> 01:28:05,533
Speaker 2: letter of the Holy Father Francis to the bishops of

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01:28:05,573 --> 01:28:08,573
Speaker 2: the United States of America, and it was written on

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01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:13,173
Speaker 2: February ten of this year, Dear brothers of the Episcopate,

1497
01:28:13,413 --> 01:28:16,133
Speaker 2: I'm writing today to address a few words to you

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01:28:16,373 --> 01:28:19,933
Speaker 2: in these delicate moments that you're living as pastors of

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01:28:19,973 --> 01:28:22,493
Speaker 2: the people of God who walk together in the United

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01:28:22,533 --> 01:28:27,613
Speaker 2: States of America. And then follows ten points. The journey

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01:28:27,613 --> 01:28:30,533
Speaker 2: from slavery to freedom that the people of Israel traveled,

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01:28:30,573 --> 01:28:33,253
Speaker 2: as narrated in the Book of Exodus, invites us to

1503
01:28:33,293 --> 01:28:37,013
Speaker 2: look at the reality of our time so clearly marked

1504
01:28:37,053 --> 01:28:41,213
Speaker 2: by the phenomenon of migration, as a decisive moment in

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01:28:41,333 --> 01:28:45,213
Speaker 2: history to reaffirm not only are faith in a God

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01:28:45,253 --> 01:28:52,013
Speaker 2: who is always close incarnate, migrant and refugee, but also

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01:28:52,173 --> 01:28:56,733
Speaker 2: the infinite and transcendent dignity of every human person. Now,

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01:28:56,733 --> 01:28:59,853
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee the accuracy of some of the writing,

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Speaker 2: but I present it as it's written. Point two. These

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01:29:04,053 --> 01:29:07,613
Speaker 2: words with which I begin are not an artificial construct.

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01:29:08,333 --> 01:29:12,133
Speaker 2: Even a cursory examination of the Church's social doctrine emphatically

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01:29:12,213 --> 01:29:16,373
Speaker 2: shows that Jesus Christ is the true Immanuel and refers

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01:29:16,413 --> 01:29:20,253
Speaker 2: to Matthew one twenty three. He did not live apart

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01:29:20,333 --> 01:29:23,373
Speaker 2: from the difficult experience of being expelled from his own

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01:29:23,453 --> 01:29:26,893
Speaker 2: land because of an imminent risk to his life, and

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01:29:26,973 --> 01:29:29,253
Speaker 2: from the experience of having to take refuge in a

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01:29:29,293 --> 01:29:32,813
Speaker 2: society of the culture foreign to his own. The Son

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01:29:32,853 --> 01:29:36,533
Speaker 2: of God, in becoming man, also chose to live the

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01:29:36,653 --> 01:29:40,493
Speaker 2: drama of immigration. I like to recall, among other things,

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01:29:40,533 --> 01:29:43,333
Speaker 2: the words with which Pope Pius the twelfth began his

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01:29:43,733 --> 01:29:48,573
Speaker 2: Apostolic Constitution on the Care of Migrants, which is considered

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01:29:48,653 --> 01:29:52,613
Speaker 2: the magna carta of the Church's thinking on migration, and

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01:29:52,693 --> 01:29:56,733
Speaker 2: it goes like this. The family of Nazareth in exile, Jesus,

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01:29:56,733 --> 01:30:01,253
Speaker 2: Mary and Joseph, emigrants in Egypt, and refugees there to

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01:30:01,453 --> 01:30:04,853
Speaker 2: escape the wrath of an ungodly king, are the model,

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01:30:05,093 --> 01:30:09,693
Speaker 2: the example, and the constellation of emigran and pilgrims of

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01:30:09,733 --> 01:30:13,653
Speaker 2: every age and country, of all refugees of every condition,

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01:30:14,173 --> 01:30:18,413
Speaker 2: who beset by persecution or necessity, are forced to leave

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01:30:18,493 --> 01:30:23,093
Speaker 2: their homeland, beloved family and dear friends for foreign lands.

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01:30:23,413 --> 01:30:28,413
Speaker 2: Number three. Likewise, Jesus Christ, loving everyone with a universal love,

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01:30:29,013 --> 01:30:32,333
Speaker 2: educates us in the permanent recognition of the dignity of

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01:30:32,413 --> 01:30:38,333
Speaker 2: every human being without exception. Note that without exception, in fact,

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01:30:38,533 --> 01:30:40,973
Speaker 2: I'm sure you did in fact, when we speak of

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01:30:41,213 --> 01:30:46,213
Speaker 2: infinite and transcendent dignity. We wish to emphasize that the

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01:30:46,253 --> 01:30:50,453
Speaker 2: most decisive value possessed by the human person surpasses and

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01:30:50,533 --> 01:30:55,773
Speaker 2: sustains every other juridical consideration that can be made to

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01:30:55,813 --> 01:30:59,653
Speaker 2: regulate life in society. Thus, all the Christian faithful and

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01:30:59,733 --> 01:31:03,573
Speaker 2: people of goodwill are called upon to consider the legitimacy

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01:31:03,613 --> 01:31:06,773
Speaker 2: of norms and public policies in the light of the

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01:31:06,813 --> 01:31:10,973
Speaker 2: dignity of the person and his or her fundamental rights,

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01:31:11,853 --> 01:31:15,613
Speaker 2: not vice versa. Number four. I have followed closely the

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01:31:15,653 --> 01:31:18,653
Speaker 2: major crisis that's taking place in the United States with

1543
01:31:18,853 --> 01:31:23,813
Speaker 2: the initiation of Now number four gets to the grips

1544
01:31:24,373 --> 01:31:27,533
Speaker 2: of what I think he's driving it. I have followed

1545
01:31:27,533 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 2: closely the major crisis that is taking place in the

1546
01:31:30,213 --> 01:31:34,853
Speaker 2: United States with the initiation of a program of mass deportations.

1547
01:31:35,773 --> 01:31:39,453
Speaker 2: The rightly formed conscience cannot fail to make a critical

1548
01:31:39,533 --> 01:31:44,013
Speaker 2: judgment and express its disagreement with any measure that tacitly

1549
01:31:44,173 --> 01:31:49,573
Speaker 2: or explicitly identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality.

1550
01:31:50,773 --> 01:31:53,853
Speaker 2: At the same time, one must recognize the right of

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01:31:53,893 --> 01:31:57,053
Speaker 2: a nation to defend itself and keep community safe from

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01:31:57,093 --> 01:32:00,133
Speaker 2: those who have committed violent or serious crimes while in

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01:32:00,173 --> 01:32:04,213
Speaker 2: the country or prior to arrival. That said, the act

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01:32:04,293 --> 01:32:07,013
Speaker 2: of deporting people who, in many cases have left their

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01:32:07,013 --> 01:32:12,173
Speaker 2: own land for reasons of ex extream poverty, insecurity, exploitation, persecution,

1556
01:32:12,413 --> 01:32:17,493
Speaker 2: or serious deterioration of the environment damages the dignity of

1557
01:32:17,613 --> 01:32:21,813
Speaker 2: many men and women, and of entire families, and places

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01:32:21,853 --> 01:32:26,933
Speaker 2: them in a state of particular vulnerability and defenselessness. Number five.

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01:32:27,773 --> 01:32:30,933
Speaker 2: This is not a minor issue. An authentic rule of

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01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:35,053
Speaker 2: law is verified precisely in the dignified treatment that all

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01:32:35,173 --> 01:32:39,933
Speaker 2: people deserve, especially the poorest and most marginalized. The true

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01:32:39,973 --> 01:32:44,493
Speaker 2: common good is promoted when society and government, with creativity

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01:32:44,573 --> 01:32:48,053
Speaker 2: and strict respect for the rights of all, as I

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01:32:48,173 --> 01:32:53,773
Speaker 2: have affirmed on numerous occasions, welcomes, protects, promotes, and integrates

1565
01:32:53,813 --> 01:32:58,773
Speaker 2: the most fragile, unprotected, and vulnerable. This does not impede

1566
01:32:58,773 --> 01:33:03,453
Speaker 2: the development of a policy that regulates orderly and legal migration. However,

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01:33:03,493 --> 01:33:06,533
Speaker 2: this development cannot come about through the privilege of some

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01:33:06,813 --> 01:33:09,693
Speaker 2: and the sacrifice of others. What is built on the

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01:33:09,733 --> 01:33:12,573
Speaker 2: basis of force and not on the truth about the

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01:33:12,773 --> 01:33:17,013
Speaker 2: equal dignity of every human being begins badly and will

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01:33:17,133 --> 01:33:21,173
Speaker 2: end badly. Number six. Christians know very well that it's

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01:33:21,213 --> 01:33:24,213
Speaker 2: only by affirming the infinite dignity of all that our

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01:33:24,253 --> 01:33:28,573
Speaker 2: own identity as persons and as communities reaches its maturity.

1574
01:33:29,453 --> 01:33:34,253
Speaker 2: Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interest that

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01:33:34,373 --> 01:33:38,733
Speaker 2: little by little extend to other persons and groups. In

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01:33:38,773 --> 01:33:41,973
Speaker 2: other words, the human person is not a mere individual

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01:33:42,693 --> 01:33:48,213
Speaker 2: relatively expansive with some philanthropic feelings. The human person is

1578
01:33:48,253 --> 01:33:53,973
Speaker 2: a subject with dignity, who, through the constitutive relationship with all,

1579
01:33:54,733 --> 01:33:59,773
Speaker 2: especially with the poorest, congradually mature in his identity and vocation.

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01:34:00,693 --> 01:34:04,493
Speaker 2: The true audo amorus that must be promoted is that

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01:34:04,533 --> 01:34:08,933
Speaker 2: which we discover by meditating constantly on the parable of

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01:34:08,973 --> 01:34:12,413
Speaker 2: the good Samaritan, that is, by meditating on the love

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01:34:12,493 --> 01:34:16,533
Speaker 2: that builds a fraternity open to all without exception. Number seven.

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01:34:16,813 --> 01:34:20,653
Speaker 2: But worrying about personal community or national identity apart from

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01:34:20,733 --> 01:34:27,493
Speaker 2: these considerations easily introduces an ideological criterion that distorts social

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01:34:27,533 --> 01:34:30,533
Speaker 2: life and imposes the will of the strongest as the

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01:34:30,573 --> 01:34:35,373
Speaker 2: criterion of truth. Number eight. I recognize your valuable efforts,

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01:34:35,493 --> 01:34:38,413
Speaker 2: dear brother bishops of the United States, as you work

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01:34:38,453 --> 01:34:42,733
Speaker 2: closely with migrants and refugees, proclaiming Jesus Christ and promoting

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01:34:42,773 --> 01:34:47,333
Speaker 2: fundamental human rights. God will richly reward all that you

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01:34:47,453 --> 01:34:50,013
Speaker 2: do for the protection and defense of those who are

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01:34:50,053 --> 01:34:55,653
Speaker 2: considered less valuable, less important, or less human. Nine I

1593
01:34:55,733 --> 01:34:58,773
Speaker 2: exhort all the faithful of the Catholic Church and all

1594
01:34:58,893 --> 01:35:01,253
Speaker 2: men and women of good will, not to give in

1595
01:35:01,333 --> 01:35:05,773
Speaker 2: to narratives that discriminate against and cause unnecessary suffering to

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01:35:05,813 --> 01:35:11,253
Speaker 2: our migrant and refugee brothers and sisters. With charity and clarity.

1597
01:35:11,853 --> 01:35:15,413
Speaker 2: Were all called to live in solidarity and fraternity, to

1598
01:35:15,493 --> 01:35:18,693
Speaker 2: build bridges that bring us ever closer together, to avoid

1599
01:35:18,733 --> 01:35:23,293
Speaker 2: wars of ignominy, and to learn to give our lives

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01:35:23,373 --> 01:35:27,213
Speaker 2: as Jesus Christ gave his for the salvation of all.

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01:35:29,053 --> 01:35:32,493
Speaker 2: And finally, number ten, let us ask our Lady of

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01:35:32,533 --> 01:35:36,173
Speaker 2: Guadaloupe to protect individuals and families who live in fear

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01:35:36,373 --> 01:35:41,253
Speaker 2: or pain due to migration and or deportation. May the

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01:35:41,333 --> 01:35:45,653
Speaker 2: Virgin Moreener, who knew how to reconcile peoples when they

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01:35:45,693 --> 01:35:49,693
Speaker 2: were at enmity, grant us all to meet again as

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01:35:49,733 --> 01:35:53,173
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters within her embrace, and to take a

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01:35:53,213 --> 01:35:56,133
Speaker 2: step forward in the construction of a society that is

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01:35:56,173 --> 01:36:00,693
Speaker 2: more fraternal, inclusive and respectful of the dignity of all

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01:36:01,573 --> 01:36:07,253
Speaker 2: fraternally Francis from the Vatican, ten February twenty twenty five. Now,

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01:36:07,253 --> 01:36:10,893
Speaker 2: there's been one particular case that's had plenty of publicity

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01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:13,693
Speaker 2: over the last week or so, and it is the

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01:36:14,813 --> 01:36:18,173
Speaker 2: true story, sadly, of the thirty seven year old mother

1613
01:36:18,213 --> 01:36:27,173
Speaker 2: of five who was assaulted, bashed, raped, slaughtered, not just killed,

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01:36:27,453 --> 01:36:32,813
Speaker 2: slaughtered by an illegal immigrant, who, having seen him in

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01:36:33,213 --> 01:36:37,613
Speaker 2: court pictures, seems to be totally unbothered by what he's

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01:36:37,613 --> 01:36:41,293
Speaker 2: been charged with. Now, the question, if I were able

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01:36:41,333 --> 01:36:45,453
Speaker 2: to interview by Francis, the question would be, so, where

1618
01:36:45,453 --> 01:36:50,013
Speaker 2: does your dignity for everybody without exception go for this one?

1619
01:36:50,333 --> 01:36:53,733
Speaker 2: How do you handle that? And he'd likely say, well,

1620
01:36:54,373 --> 01:36:57,213
Speaker 2: there are obvious exceptions that you have to take into

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01:36:57,253 --> 01:37:02,813
Speaker 2: account of, something along those lines. And the response is, well,

1622
01:37:02,933 --> 01:37:08,053
Speaker 2: you take into you've got an attitude that everybody, everybody

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01:37:08,133 --> 01:37:11,573
Speaker 2: is titled to the same level of dignity. What about

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01:37:11,573 --> 01:37:14,373
Speaker 2: the next time another case comes up that's similar but

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01:37:14,493 --> 01:37:17,533
Speaker 2: not as bad, So you extend it, and so you

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01:37:17,613 --> 01:37:20,613
Speaker 2: extend it again and again, and before you know it,

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01:37:20,773 --> 01:37:25,613
Speaker 2: the tyrannical judiciary has taken over, and there's no such

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01:37:25,693 --> 01:37:29,293
Speaker 2: thing as dignity for anybody. Well, it's a sound argument,

1629
01:37:30,213 --> 01:37:33,613
Speaker 2: might take a while, but it nevertheless is the way

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01:37:33,613 --> 01:37:38,293
Speaker 2: that things generally unfold. So on that note, please if

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01:37:38,333 --> 01:37:41,013
Speaker 2: you'd like to write to us Latent at NEWSTALKSB dot

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01:37:41,013 --> 01:37:45,173
Speaker 2: co dot nz or Carolyn at NEWSTALKSNB dot co dot nz.

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01:37:46,213 --> 01:37:50,293
Speaker 2: We love getting a correspondence. We will respond accordingly until

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Speaker 2: next time. For what is at two eighty two. We

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01:37:53,293 --> 01:37:57,573
Speaker 2: shall leave you in peace and say thank you for listening,

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01:37:58,453 --> 01:37:59,773
Speaker 2: and we'll talk soon.

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