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Speaker 1: Under sixteen, you're no longer allowed to have a social

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Speaker 1: media account. Make the most of the school holidays coming

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Speaker 1: up rather than spending it scrolling on your phone, starting

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Speaker 1: your sport, learn a new instrument, or read that book

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Speaker 1: that's been sitting there on your shelf for some time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, dad, talk about a hard sell. From the get go.

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Speaker 2: Nasa Koizumi is our go to digital guru.

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Speaker 3: Mor diner, Monina, how are you doing today? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good? Is this going to work?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's going to solve all our problems right

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Speaker 3: live because all the bad stuff is now gone. There's

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Speaker 3: going to be no more grooming, There's going to be

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Speaker 3: no more bad posts. You know, are people approbing any

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Speaker 3: appropriate stuff? Because we know that all the harmful content

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Speaker 3: online was done by kids under sixteen? So problem solved? Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, you would think so, But then kids are crafty

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Speaker 2: and surely these workarounds.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think one of the biggest concerns that

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Speaker 3: I have is one, kids were not consulted. Youth were

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Speaker 3: not consulted. Two, I think there's been a lot of

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Speaker 3: scare mongering and the fact that there is a lot

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Speaker 3: of negative stuff that does happen, but there's Also, you know,

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Speaker 3: you think it liken it to cars and driving a car.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of horrible, awful ways that we could

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Speaker 3: die in a car crash, But there's also so many

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Speaker 3: benefits to driving a car. And so when we're focusing

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Speaker 3: all in the negative and there are some really horrible

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Speaker 3: negative things, yes, we're not really focusing in all the positives.

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Speaker 3: And if you've talked to psychologists, if you talk to

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Speaker 3: people that really know and have been working with young people,

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Speaker 3: you will see that there's so many positives. And not

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Speaker 3: only that, we're also number three. The biggest thing is,

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Speaker 3: you know, you and articles twelve children have a right

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Speaker 3: to have a say and stuff that is happening to them.

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Speaker 3: And so what are we going to do if something

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Speaker 3: happens now to a young person online? Do you think

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Speaker 3: they're going to go to that trusted adult?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you're not meant to be on there

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Speaker 2: in the first place.

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Speaker 3: To absolutely. And then also it allows us to shift

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Speaker 3: blame and say, hey, parent, you let your child be

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Speaker 3: online you're at phone?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah. Well that's a very good point because

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Speaker 2: I see there's a recent survey that's been run and

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Speaker 2: while nearly seventy percent of parents over in Noah's back

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Speaker 2: this world leading band. What's interesting is only what less

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Speaker 2: than a third of them say that they would actively

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Speaker 2: enforce it. So is that us saying, oh, look, we

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Speaker 2: know there's some bad stuff on Facebook and the Gram

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Speaker 2: and snapchat, but you know, in the scheme of things

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Speaker 2: in life, is it really that bad. Maybe we're kind

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Speaker 2: of relaxed about it.

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Speaker 3: And maybe some of your children are sixteen. Maybe your

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Speaker 3: children you know that you have that relationship with your

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Speaker 3: child that if something happens, that they know what to do,

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Speaker 3: that they've been taught the preventative digital wellbeing and safety skills,

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Speaker 3: and you know, well, they make good decisions. I think

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of misinformation out there saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: children do not have the ability to critically think and

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Speaker 3: make good choices online, and we see every day how

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Speaker 3: wrong that is. So I do really fear that we're

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Speaker 3: going to we're just pushing the problem down. We're not

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Speaker 3: attacking the root issue of why the internet is dangerous

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Speaker 3: and young people. It's because of the stuff that happens

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Speaker 3: on it, you know that's typically caused by other adults.

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Speaker 3: Why are we not demanding higher expectations of the adults.

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Speaker 3: There is already the ability to use algorithms in our favor.

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Speaker 3: There is the ability to use technology to see what

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Speaker 3: type of videos and type of information that's being online

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Speaker 3: and sharing. So but the big thing is is that

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Speaker 3: young kids, they're not They don't really generate a profit.

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Speaker 3: So while other companies are upset because they are their

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Speaker 3: future profit makers, it's still in the best interest to

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Speaker 3: play caid adults because that's really where they make the money.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're not going after some of these Over

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Speaker 3: and over again. People can tell you that they've tried

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Speaker 3: to get people banned online, they've tried to get accounts removed,

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Speaker 3: and they're not being removed because every look, every time

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Speaker 3: you click, every time you share, somebody's making money somewhere.

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Speaker 2: The choice it seems like such a simple solution. So

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Speaker 2: do you think that we should follow in the elite

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Speaker 2: if they have some sort of success or if we

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Speaker 2: don't make so will our kids be okay?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think with so there's two sides. So I

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Speaker 3: mean by you can initially say yes or no, But

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Speaker 3: I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. I

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Speaker 3: think if we are banning it just to say a tickbox,

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Speaker 3: we've done our job, then absolutely not, because we still

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Speaker 3: need to teach our kids these preventive digital wellbeing and

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Speaker 3: safety strategies because you will be online and as we

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Speaker 3: know as adults, it still happens to adults. We still

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Speaker 3: adults are being group adults are having digital harm happening

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Speaker 3: to them, having intimate photos shared, having all this issues

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Speaker 3: that are happening to a young people, it just gets

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Speaker 3: pushed off. So if we are not providing that safe

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Speaker 3: space for our young people to be online, like creating

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Speaker 3: a social media network that are for our young people,

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Speaker 3: if we're not actually talking to them and bringing them

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Speaker 3: along and asking them what the solution should be, then no. However,

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Speaker 3: if we're working with our young people, and you know,

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Speaker 3: the work that I've done in school is you ask

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Speaker 3: young people what they want and they'll say things like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I just want to TikTok for teens, Like

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm giving them my right age. I'm thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I put it in thirteen. Why am I having these

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Speaker 3: old people keeping people bugging me or coming into my content?

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Speaker 3: Why can't I just have something for us teens that

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Speaker 3: I can make and feel safe that I know that

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Speaker 3: I'm only talking to another teenager, So you know, why

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Speaker 3: don't we bring them along, ask them and you know

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Speaker 3: what they need, support them, be curious, not furious, and

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Speaker 3: work together. And I do think we can come up

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Speaker 3: with a solution that will work for everyone. But removing

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Speaker 3: their ability to communicate with other people, especially if you're

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Speaker 3: a rule, especially if you are vulnerable, which I know

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Speaker 3: sounds like a catch twenty two, if you are maybe

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Speaker 3: a little bit different, maybe you are into things that

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Speaker 3: maybe people in your community aren't. And also we know

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Speaker 3: that it can be an absolute lifeline to some kids

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Speaker 3: that feel very alone and maybe have only friends that

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Speaker 3: they know online, or have friends that have moved to

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Speaker 3: other places. Just removing it without replacing it could cause

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Speaker 3: more damage than good.

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Speaker 2: Very sound advice for our regulators listening, appreciate your perspective

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Speaker 2: as always and happy to give it a share and

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Speaker 2: like the thumbs up nice of coisu me