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Speaker 2: I was someone who never really had a lot of
Speaker 2: control over my finances going back right to the beginning,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'd never really thought too much about
Speaker 2: about wealth, and that all came crashing down on February
Speaker 2: this year. I can tell you that Kiwis are craving
Speaker 2: a form of connection out there. I think we're feeling very,
Speaker 2: very disconnected as a country.
Speaker 3: But it's fixable, Koto.
Speaker 4: I'm Garth Bray and we're doing things a little differently
Speaker 4: on Shared Lunch for the next few weeks. More than
Speaker 4: money is about exploring the wealth choices that change us.
Speaker 4: Let's open up the conversation about what wealth really means
Speaker 4: beyond investing. We'll hear from some famili you folks and
Speaker 4: chat about the choices they've made on their wealth journey.
Speaker 4: Today we're speaking to someone who needs almost no introduction,
Speaker 4: Patty Gower. But first some important information you always need
Speaker 4: to consider.
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Speaker 4: The Inimitable Patrick Gower as ends it on. He said
Speaker 4: in its press release just last week when they said, congratulations,
Speaker 4: you've still got issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: So that took some exciting news for next year that
Speaker 2: Patty Gower has issues, will be coming back from the crypt,
Speaker 2: open the Crypt, I guess and back out. But yeah,
Speaker 2: some amazing news. But I still don't really know what
Speaker 2: Inimitable means, but I think it means sort of out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, you've just come off tour as well.
Speaker 4: By the time people see this, you'll be having a break.
Speaker 4: But fourteen towns, yeah, three weeks.
Speaker 2: It's something I never thought i'd be doing, gath. You know,
Speaker 2: I started my career as a as a newspaper journalist,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty five years ago, and I didn't have
Speaker 2: big visions of going into TV or anything. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I've done fourteen stage shows from Rocky euro Stuart Island
Speaker 2: all the way up to White Tangy, going through all
Speaker 2: of regional New Zealand. And that's why my voice. Listeners
Speaker 2: and viewers might not notice, but my voice is a
Speaker 2: few octavees lower because I've really worked on that larynx.
Speaker 4: I thought you were just making an effort to sound
Speaker 4: extra sort of today.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's not my cheesy's sexy voice.
Speaker 2: But it's been amazing to see people, you know, a
Speaker 2: couple of things. Seeing Kiwi's upfront and in their places
Speaker 2: is always cool. But you know, I've never been on
Speaker 2: stage or anything like that. It's got sort of elements
Speaker 2: of stand up comedy to it. It's a performance. This
Speaker 2: is all completely new to me. So it's been a
Speaker 2: massive adventure.
Speaker 4: How was it getting that immediate feedback to something you say,
Speaker 4: which is totally unlike standing in front of a camera,
Speaker 4: even in a studio conducting an election debate, Right, You've
Speaker 4: got people telling you what they think straight away, that's right.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I hadn't realized that I'd
Speaker 2: never done you know, amateur theater. I'd never done been
Speaker 2: in a school play, you know, never. I just hadn't
Speaker 2: done this. And of course you will know, but other
Speaker 2: people won't realize. You know, in TV, actually it can
Speaker 2: be a very dead environment. You know, there can be
Speaker 2: a camera and that's it might not even be a
Speaker 2: camera operator these days because some of them are remote.
Speaker 2: So hearing the audience and kind of you can hear
Speaker 2: a pin drop, you can hear a gasp, you can
Speaker 2: hear a laugh, you can hear them raucously laugh is
Speaker 2: something totally different. And I think in what I've been doing,
Speaker 2: it's got elements of stand up comedy, but it's also
Speaker 2: got some heavy stuff about mental health and the way
Speaker 2: that I've dealt with depression, anxiety, anger issues, addiction issues
Speaker 2: when it came to alcohol, And you can feel the
Speaker 2: audience just listening, listening to this intensely personal stuff that
Speaker 2: you're telling them. And despite doing fourteen shows, I know
Speaker 2: the parts that I get to where it gets into
Speaker 2: the heavy content and I always take a sharpened take
Speaker 2: of breath and you feel the audience really kind of
Speaker 2: close in. So it's been an amazing feeling really, so.
Speaker 4: A lot of you sharing what are you getting back
Speaker 4: from that? What are you hearing from people? That shapes
Speaker 4: this conversation that you're having.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of the work that I've
Speaker 2: done this year has been in terms of losing my
Speaker 2: job at newshap and then pivoting. You know, I've got
Speaker 2: a book out This is There for News, and that's
Speaker 2: got a lot in it about the way that I
Speaker 2: got through my mental health and addiction struggles, and I've
Speaker 2: basically taken that on the road and made it into
Speaker 2: a performance that's got a whole lot of funny jokes
Speaker 2: in it. You know, everyone's laughing. But I leave behind
Speaker 2: four lessons that are also in my book, and they're
Speaker 2: really around connection and our need as humans to connect
Speaker 2: and how if we're in trouble we should try to connect.
Speaker 2: That's around the second one is optimism, living a life
Speaker 2: that is more optimistic when you're confronted by a whole
Speaker 2: lot of bad stuff. The third thing that I talk
Speaker 2: to people about and is in my book as well,
Speaker 2: is around purpose, finding purpose in what you do and
Speaker 2: working with purpose, and potentially for a lot of people
Speaker 2: my age, rediscovering your purpose and your work or when
Speaker 2: you're parenting or living your life. And then the fourth
Speaker 2: thing that I talk to people about and I've written
Speaker 2: about in the book is change be prepared to change yourself,
Speaker 2: you know, and that could be when you're pivoting because
Speaker 2: of what's happened to you and I this year. You know,
Speaker 2: we've both been made redundant and we've had to pivot,
Speaker 2: or it could be a bigger change.
Speaker 3: In your life.
Speaker 2: For me, it was giving up alcohol, you know, now
Speaker 2: over one thousand days sober on December twenty eighth. The
Speaker 2: same of the ad thank you for thank you for
Speaker 2: the clap means a lot, you know. And for me,
Speaker 2: you know, I found after using those things that I
Speaker 2: was able to change and get rid of something in
Speaker 2: my life that that, you know, that was holding me.
Speaker 3: Back, which was drinking. So that's what I've been going
Speaker 3: around the country doing.
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's really rewarding to pass those messages on.
Speaker 2: And in terms of what people are hearing, I just
Speaker 2: can tell that Kiwi's are craving connection. They go so
Speaker 2: quiet when I talk about these things. They listen so intently.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you're an invocagol warnaka all the
Speaker 2: way up here in Hamilton, Palmi, New Plymouth, different audiences,
Speaker 2: different people every time. But I can tell you that
Speaker 2: Kiwis are craving a form of connection out there. I
Speaker 2: think we're feeling very very disconnected as a country.
Speaker 4: Weirdly, we've never been more connected there, I know. I
Speaker 4: know Watra, fast, fiber optic, cave, all the social media,
Speaker 4: all the reasons, all the ways that people can can
Speaker 4: link up and link and whatever they're doing. Right, Yes,
Speaker 4: how that's not just not cutting the muster of that.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's right, And there's something going on out there because
Speaker 2: I know what happens when I talk about it and
Speaker 2: the audience goes very quiet. I know what happens when
Speaker 2: they come up to me afterwards when I'm signing my books.
Speaker 2: I know what they say to me, I know what
Speaker 2: they message me afterwards. And they are all craving connection.
Speaker 2: They feel disconnected. They want to look at simple things
Speaker 2: that they can do to improve their lives because everyone
Speaker 2: is feeling that little bit unsatisfied and unhappy and just
Speaker 2: not quite where they want to be. And I think
Speaker 2: there's a strong sense of that out in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: What I would say about it is, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's not something that we need to we need to
Speaker 2: worry about it, but it's fixable. You know, there are
Speaker 2: just there are ways of doing things. And I know
Speaker 2: I talk about my own ditching alcohol. I say to
Speaker 2: people could be as simple as going for a walk
Speaker 2: with your partner without your phone. You know, these are
Speaker 2: the little things that we can do to improve our
Speaker 2: connection and improve our lives. So, you know, if anything
Speaker 2: it is, yeah, we've got a problem there, but it
Speaker 2: is something that is fixable through our own actions.
Speaker 4: They say great wealth can be made through finding a
Speaker 4: problem and fixing it. You've sort of found a way
Speaker 4: to convert the problem into a solution for you and
Speaker 4: a solution for a lot of other people too, hopefully.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, part of it is
Speaker 2: I'm now you know it's going to sound random, but
Speaker 2: I'm now running a business. You know, I'm not an
Speaker 2: employee of anyone anymore. I'm contracted to stuff and that's
Speaker 2: my main place. But it's through a company called Believer
Speaker 2: Believer Media, and through that I'm going to run my
Speaker 2: tour and I'm selling the book and all of these
Speaker 2: other things. And I've got to kind of basically make
Speaker 2: money in this business so that I can do the
Speaker 2: kinds of things that I want to do, which I
Speaker 2: connect with Kiwis through through journalism and through my performance
Speaker 2: and through my work. So I've kind of really, you know,
Speaker 2: I just never thought i'd be doing this sort of
Speaker 2: thing where I'm kind of like trying. You know, I've
Speaker 2: got to I've got to watch my pennies. I've got
Speaker 2: to see what everything costs. I've got to make sure
Speaker 2: that I'm bringing in enough to keep going to keep
Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm forty seven years old and i'd been
Speaker 2: in a job since the day that I left university.
Speaker 2: I had been in a journalistic job in some way
Speaker 2: or the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And you.
Speaker 4: Know, you suddenly have to think about a huge range
Speaker 4: of things that you just took for granted, that someone
Speaker 4: else ordered, that someone else paid for it. Keep track
Speaker 4: of totally those responsibilities. Really, if you don't do it now,
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: And it's really important if you're in a business and
Speaker 2: you've got to you've got to make money to spive.
Speaker 2: You can't misappointments, you can't not put that through. You
Speaker 2: can't do this all of these little things. No one
Speaker 2: is going to come and clean up after you. You know,
Speaker 2: you need to do it if you want to make
Speaker 2: more money.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a tremendous about a pressure to put
Speaker 4: on your seat. It's coming out of this, yeah, relationship
Speaker 4: with employment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: And I think you know the thing about coming out
Speaker 2: of a long relationship with employment is when it first happens,
Speaker 2: it just seems so big, you know. So when Newshub
Speaker 2: shut down just up the road here and it wasn't
Speaker 2: that long ago, and on the day, it just felt
Speaker 2: to me like this massive problem. All my friends are
Speaker 2: losing their jobs. What's happening with the industry? Where do
Speaker 2: I go? What does this mean? It just felt like
Speaker 2: everything in front of me was blocked out by this
Speaker 2: huge thing called newsub kind of closure. And with time
Speaker 2: that becomes smaller and you can see it for what
Speaker 2: it is and look to get find ways around it.
Speaker 3: But you know, in that immediate beginning.
Speaker 2: It's just this big kind of thing that's right in
Speaker 2: front of your face and you've got this big problem.
Speaker 2: But you know, my advice to people in that situation
Speaker 2: there's a lot of us who are losing our jobs,
Speaker 2: right is yes, it's going to seem big on day one.
Speaker 3: On day two, on day three.
Speaker 2: But with time, you're going to see it as something
Speaker 2: smaller and you're going to be able to find ways
Speaker 2: around it. You have to be paid, and then you
Speaker 2: have to look for the ways to get around this
Speaker 2: big problem that's come into your life. And for me,
Speaker 2: that has been turning myself into a business as random
Speaker 2: as that's as that sounds, monetizing a lot of the
Speaker 2: things that I do and being creative with it. You know,
Speaker 2: doing a tour of New Zealand fourteen centers is creative, Like,
Speaker 2: there is no question, Like I cannot believe that it's
Speaker 2: so creative that I sort of have to pinch myself
Speaker 2: that it's just happened because it is just so out being.
Speaker 4: It's probably too soon to work out if it's been
Speaker 4: the biggest and best financial decision you've ever made, go
Speaker 4: on to it. I suspect it's probably part of something bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But if I can ask you to sort of think
Speaker 4: a bit about that and think about wealth and what
Speaker 4: it means to you and a wealth choice that you've
Speaker 4: made in the past that you sort of think, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'd like to share that with people because that worked
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: You know, I actually did a podcast like this maybe
Speaker 2: about twelve months ago, right of in the similar sort
Speaker 2: of space, and I actually didn't really care that much
Speaker 2: about money in that interview, and I didn't really have
Speaker 2: any good answers around wealth because I had not faced
Speaker 2: insecurity financially right because, you know, I'd had a job,
Speaker 2: and you know, by the time there, I had a
Speaker 2: well paid job, very you know, seemed relatively stable. It's
Speaker 2: never stable in the media, but it seems stable. And
Speaker 2: I'd never really thought too much about about wealth or
Speaker 2: anything like that, and that all came crashing down on
Speaker 2: February this year because you'd lose everything, you know, you
Speaker 2: lose the security, you lose the monthly paycheck that covers
Speaker 2: all of the mortgage and all of those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, if anything, the best advice
Speaker 2: that I would have is is always is two things.
Speaker 2: Always in your mind. Know that your job is not
Speaker 2: going to be stable. And I did have that in
Speaker 2: the back of my mind. The day that it happened,
Speaker 2: I was like, I did actually think that this could
Speaker 2: happen one day. I'd minimized it to about a ten
Speaker 2: percent chance, but at least I wasn't shocked, you know.
Speaker 2: And then in terms of that, for me, I was
Speaker 2: someone who never really had a lot of control over
Speaker 2: my finances going back right to the beginning, you know,
Speaker 2: in recent years, combined with all these other things I'm doing,
Speaker 2: I actually started to get a bit more control over
Speaker 2: my finances. And though how much is going to the mortgage,
Speaker 2: how much has been saved, what's in the key we saver,
Speaker 2: how much is there if something goes wrong? All of
Speaker 2: these things, luckily, and a lot of it, this will
Speaker 2: sound random, has had to do with giving up drinking.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That brought a whole element of control into my life,
Speaker 2: including over my finances. So not just the money that
Speaker 2: was getting burnt up against the wall, as they say,
Speaker 2: but in terms of just having much more control all
Speaker 2: over my life, and that included finances. So when things
Speaker 2: went downhill or whatever it's west and downhill, isn't it,
Speaker 2: When things we could put when things we could put
Speaker 2: down the road, at least I had some control and
Speaker 2: an idea of where I was at and how long
Speaker 2: I could go for and how long I could try
Speaker 2: something like a pivot, so I didn't have to panic.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously you do panic. But I didn't have
Speaker 2: to go and take another job right away. I could go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've got some time to try some things like setting
Speaker 2: up my own business that can make my content, which
Speaker 2: is called Believer Media. And the only reason I could
Speaker 2: do that, this is a long winded explanation, is because
Speaker 2: I had some control over my finances, you know, And
Speaker 2: lots of people at Cheesy's will be like whoa, you know,
Speaker 2: because they've got control because they're investing, but maybe they don't.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, there's lots of us that
Speaker 2: don't have control all of our finances. And that's something
Speaker 2: that I didn't have for about twenty to twenty five years.
Speaker 2: I do now, and thank Goodness for that.
Speaker 4: So in twenty twenty five, that's your challenge to Kiwis.
Speaker 2: Get in control, Get in control, get in control of yourself,
Speaker 2: and get in control of your finances. And they are interlinked,
Speaker 2: you know, find find ways to you know. My message
Speaker 2: to Kiwis is this, use things to improve your life
Speaker 2: like what I've done. Live more optimistically and get more connection,
Speaker 2: work and live with purpose. Find ways to change things
Speaker 2: that you want to change and that can help you
Speaker 2: bring that control over your life and that includes your finances.
Speaker 3: It really does fantastic.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, PG, Patty Gower, amazing and thank
Speaker 4: you as well. Thank you for listening. If you're listening,
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