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Speaker 1: Killed a Holocaust survivor.

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Speaker 2: To rabbis at in the aftermath of what happened, there

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Speaker 2: were one hundred and twenty three paramedics out there trying

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Speaker 2: to help the hurt.

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Speaker 3: Of course, questions are being asked about intelligence failures. After

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Speaker 3: the Bondei Beach attack, police confirmed that the government with

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Speaker 3: the father and the son, Sahid and Navid Akram Sahib,

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Speaker 3: the dad dead, Navid's in hospital underguard. The younger man

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Speaker 3: had been on the radar for years with extremist links

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Speaker 3: and red flags, yet no charges. Meanwhile, Benjamin Ettanyahu has

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Speaker 3: been quick to point the finger.

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Speaker 1: I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia a letter in

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Speaker 1: which I gave him warning who did nothing to curb

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Speaker 1: the cancer cells that were growing inside your country.

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Speaker 3: This is a moment for national unity, this is a

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Speaker 3: moment for Australians to come together.

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Speaker 2: That's precisely what we will be doing.

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Speaker 3: And as Anthony Albanize and now joining me now is

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Speaker 3: John Battersby. He's from Massi University Center for Defense and

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Speaker 3: Security Studies. John, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: And that was an intelligence failure, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: I tend to not judge things on intelligence. We'll call

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Speaker 2: them intelligence failures until we know exactly what's gone on.

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Speaker 2: The law enforcement and intelligence capablities in any country are

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Speaker 2: limited by the resources you put into them, and they

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Speaker 2: are successful a lot of the time in terms of

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Speaker 2: detecting things like this, but they just cannot be successful

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Speaker 2: all of the time. And there have been some very

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Speaker 2: well resourced intelligence agencies in Europe and the US which

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Speaker 2: these types of things have got past. So look, let's

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Speaker 2: just pull back from intelligence failure right now and each

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Speaker 2: wait and see what the facts revealed.

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Speaker 3: Is it difficulty that you can't actually detain a bad

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Speaker 3: guy until a bad guy does something bad.

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Speaker 2: Well, in most democratic countries, somebody has to commit an

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Speaker 2: offense before you can arrest them. So different countries have

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Speaker 2: different setups in terms of the section of people who

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Speaker 2: they suspect of plotting terrorist attacks. So if evidence can

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Speaker 2: be obtained that someone is planning one of these things,

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Speaker 2: a number of countries can arrest and detain. I think

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Speaker 2: Australia does have some pretty strong laws with that, and

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Speaker 2: they have detained people before on suspicion.

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Speaker 3: How does Australia security level compare.

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Speaker 2: To hours, Oh, significantly greater I've always thought, but it

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Speaker 2: also seems to have a significantly bigger problem. I can't say.

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Speaker 2: I think, going back for several decades now, Australia seems

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Speaker 2: to have always had a slightly well a significantly elevated

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Speaker 2: risk of various types of terrorist attacks. You're going back

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Speaker 2: to before nineteen seventy eight with a Hilton bombing, So yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: there are levels of concern there. They have a much

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Speaker 2: stronger security of Croatis than us. They have the most

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Speaker 2: some of the most significantly strong gun laws in the world,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, look they are set up I think.

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Speaker 3: Appropriately, all right, John Benesby, I thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for Messi University and for more.

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