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Speaker 1: Charts here for the darkers the cutters, are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Twenty points to wait too?

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Speaker 3: The full time.

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Speaker 4: Scot You know, we had some discussions about the length

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Speaker 4: of contract. That was probably the main thing, but ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think people ignore this very impressive performance.

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Speaker 2: By Hawk's Bay, who have absolutely taken the county's Monna

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Speaker 5: Are the sports huddled with us this evening? We have

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Speaker 5: Nathan Limb News Talk Z'B sport reporter and Matt Brown

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Speaker 5: Oceania Football Confederation media manager. High lads.

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Speaker 2: Hello Heather, Hi Heather, Hi Napan Hey Brownie, how are

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Speaker 2: you very well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Long time, no year.

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Speaker 1: What have you been up to, Nathan or me? I've

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Speaker 1: just been just being busy, busy, it's confidential.

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Speaker 5: Just taking the magey out of you. Hey, Nathan, listen,

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Speaker 5: We're going to have to do this, aren't we. Aren't

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Speaker 5: we just going to have to simply go the way

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Speaker 5: of every other Southern Hemisphere rugby nation and start picking

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Speaker 5: the overseas based players.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Why, because how many Richiemonger games have you watched this

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Speaker 2: this year either none?

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Speaker 5: Because he plays for Japan.

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Speaker 2: How many Jordy Barrett games have you seen?

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Speaker 5: None?

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Speaker 2: Right, So if we open the borders and we let

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Speaker 2: all our top players just go overseas, we're not going

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Speaker 5: Because you need follow up question. How many Super Rugby

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Speaker 2: How many Super Rugby? Okay? Well, I don't care, right, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? But my editorial is I think protecting Super Rugby,

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Speaker 5: which is a crap product, is a dumb idea because

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a crap product. You How you

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Speaker 2: can't say that if you didn't watch any of the games.

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Speaker 2: How are you in a position to say it's a

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Speaker 5: It's a good point that you may.

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Speaker 2: really good product this year, Heather. You know you could

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Speaker 2: make the point that, Okay, Australia lets all their players

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Speaker 2: go overseas and they're in Super Rugby, But Australia Rugby

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand Rugby is the national sport. We live

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Speaker 2: and breathe it. Obviously that's changing in recent times. But

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Speaker 2: if we just let all our players go overseas, all

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Speaker 2: this national conversation that we have every time when it

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Speaker 2: everyone debates about it. No one is going to have

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Speaker 2: to be devalued. Less people are going to watch it,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be less money. So I don't see

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Speaker 1: No, I just to agree with Nathan to be honest

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Speaker 1: that will devalue the product back here and you know

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Speaker 1: Super rugby. If you think of sports global sports around

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Speaker 1: But with rugby, you know Super rugby in New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: What's more important to you Super Rugby or the All Blacks?

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Speaker 1: Well, personally, I think, like most key Wees, want to

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Speaker 5: Then what happened this year and last year is that

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Speaker 5: potentially there will be more of that with these guys.

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Speaker 5: Go guys, I want to make the dollars and they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also if you look at the other way around,

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Speaker 5: sign with the Saudias.

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Speaker 2: the Rugby I have no idea. There's still this is

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Speaker 5: Like why don't you do it like the sevens?

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Speaker 2: Like the sevens? You mean the sevens that has just

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Speaker 2: Otherwise we're just we're going to go down a rabbit

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Speaker 5: If they did manage to pull it off, would you

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Speaker 1: I don't watch live golf, and I watched one round

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Speaker 5: I was, so, is this an ideological thing from you?

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Speaker 5: You're like, I don't want to watchy Saudi money.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's not. Actually it's it's it's not ideological.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm quite a traditionalist. I'm a bit of a purist.

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Speaker 1: I'll watch international rugby test rugby, you know, I like

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Speaker 2: You're just playing Devil's advocate here, because you just said

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Speaker 2: World and you don't want Super Rugby. But you're going

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Speaker 5: I've got a record, Have you not got Sky recording?

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Speaker 5: And then you can watch it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't have Sky. I'm twenty four years old. I

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Speaker 5: I'm consistent in this. Okay. The reason i don't watch

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Speaker 2: Well, then all of the players who go and play

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Speaker 5: It will be better rugby, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Better? What are the rules you're changing here?

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Speaker 2: That's what it's called.

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Speaker 2: Okay? So you want to watch an entirely different sport.

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Speaker 5: Nathan? You carry on like this your band from the

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Speaker 3: The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand, Southby's International Realty,

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Speaker 5: You're back with the sports title. We've got Matt Brown

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Speaker 5: How do you stop the people throwing the dildos on

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Speaker 1: You probably don't make a big fuss of it. If

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Speaker 2: We've never worked out how to stop streakers, have we,

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Speaker 2: So like idiots are always going to be idiots. And

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Speaker 5: Did you do it?

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Speaker 2: I did? Luckily it was turned off at the wall,

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Speaker 5: Honestly you are your mum. Wow, she no wonder she

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Speaker 5: said to you not to do it, but she's a

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Speaker 5: truth the kid that does it. Holy Leanna. Okay, well

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Speaker 5: I've learned to parenting lesson there now. Nathan. You've been

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Speaker 5: working on this stuff that's going on with the netball

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Speaker 5: and the change of rules and stuff like that. There

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Speaker 5: are rumors flying that now we've changed the rules for grace,

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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of players want to head over to

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Speaker 5: the Aussies. Is this true?

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Speaker 2: Yes, which players, so senior Silver Ferns will have the

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Speaker 2: option to. But Netble New Zealand have been deliberately vague

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Speaker 2: around the criteria that you need to meet in order

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Speaker 2: in netball overseas. I've seen a bit of noise from

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Speaker 2: the players about, oh, it's frustrating because we don't know

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Speaker 2: what the criteria is. But I like the fact that

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Speaker 2: they have made it vague and it is a collaborative

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Speaker 2: decision between the player, the Silver Ferns coach Dame Night

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Speaker 2: and Totoo and Netball New Zealand. Because if they put

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Speaker 2: play this mini tests, you have to do this, this,

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Speaker 2: and this, players will just try and hit those markers

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Speaker 2: and immediately it's subjective, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Actually we think and we think you're rubbish, and they'll

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Speaker 5: make the decision based on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it allows them more control over keeping some

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Speaker 2: and making a few exceptions for those really outstanding circumstances

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this Matt is a mirror of what I

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Speaker 5: was talking about with the All Blacks, Right, we are

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Speaker 5: going to devalue our local competition, but the netball that

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Speaker 5: the Silver Ferns may actually come out of this better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially. Well, I think it's slightly different in the

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Speaker 1: sense that I think, you know, the best netball competition

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Speaker 1: of a better standard of ours overall, and so our

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Speaker 1: And if you've got silver Ferns playing in there and

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Speaker 1: they are eligible to still play for the Silver Ferns,

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Speaker 1: then the Silver Ferns the national team may actually be

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Speaker 1: stronger for it. So and I think with netball's little

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Speaker 1: bit different. I mean, you pack those little stadiums, three

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Speaker 1: it's still a good standard of players. I just think

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Speaker 1: from a netball perspective, it was kind of necessary because

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Speaker 1: you want Grace Wiki playing and you want other top

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Speaker 1: silver Ferns. But you are going to have a few

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Speaker 1: more of our best, and I say a few. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be the floodgates going to

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Speaker 1: open something all twenty first choice silver Ferns are going

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Speaker 1: to play across the Tasman But yeah, it's almost a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a compromise. But I don't mind it.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's a nice halfway point, yeah between because the

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Speaker 2: other thing is, if you're comparing it to the rugby argument,

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby's competition that has a good structure, a good

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Speaker 2: base of money behind it. You can guarantee the players

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Speaker 2: a job next year, whereas the netballers, on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: have had this whole thing if we don't know if

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a competition for the majority of

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Speaker 2: this year. We now have a broadcast deal.

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Speaker 5: Nathan Lenmark my words, we're going the same way and

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Speaker 5: Super Rugby, and it's just a matter of time before

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Speaker 5: were having the same discussion as net for all right,

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Speaker 5: I mean I'm not.

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Speaker 2: The experts, you know what you're talking about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretending anyway, Hey, Matt, good luck with the Magpies

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Speaker 5: top of the table.

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Speaker 1: Ah, indeed they should be for another week at least.

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Speaker 1: Tiger away this weekend under the beautiful weather conditions, no.

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Speaker 5: Problems le after how many games are.

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Speaker 1: One? Yeah, you'll get me on again in a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I'm sure we'll still be top.

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Speaker 5: Take the wins when you can get them. Hey, lads,

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Speaker 5: thank you very much. I really appreciate it from both

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Speaker 5: of you. That's Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation Media manager

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Speaker 5: and Nathan the Newstalks ZIB sportsporter who will be back.

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Speaker 5: Don't worry, he's not been banded.

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