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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else, News Talks, HEV.

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Speaker 2: Good Afternoon, coming up on Today's show TV, and Zaid's

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Speaker 2: Boss on TV and s Head paying a surprise dividend

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Speaker 2: to the government, the port of Toteng's boss on the

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Speaker 2: fight with the EWE and law Professor Algalespi on why

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Speaker 2: a judge has given him the patch back to a

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Speaker 2: mongrel mob member.

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Speaker 3: Heather dupicy Ellen, Now, I've got.

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Speaker 2: A huge amount of respect for the police and I

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Speaker 2: very much almost weekly appreciate what it is that they

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Speaker 2: do for us. But I think we have to call it.

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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips is embarrassing them. I mean, the fact that

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Speaker 2: he is still out there with his kids coming up

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Speaker 2: four years now is embarrassing for the police because it

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Speaker 2: looks like they're having rings run around the by Skinny

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Speaker 2: Eye from Matakoppa. He makes a mockery of them every

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Speaker 2: single time he pops up to nick milk from a

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Speaker 2: dairy or shop in full view of the public in Bunnings,

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Speaker 2: or do a job on a bank. Every time someone

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Speaker 2: in the family pleads for him to come home every

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Speaker 2: time in internet, national media outlet writes another fascinated piece

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Speaker 2: about him being out there every winter when our own

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Speaker 2: media remember that the family are still out there and

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Speaker 2: draw attention to it again. Every time that happens, we

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Speaker 2: are reminded that our police cannot find a guy and

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Speaker 2: his kids in the bush around Mutterkopper. Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what's going on here. I have a suspicion, I've

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Speaker 2: shared it with you before that the police are deliberately

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Speaker 2: just leaving him to it, because if they wanted to,

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Speaker 2: they could get him out. And you know that we're

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Speaker 2: a country of people who understand the bush. He's not

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Speaker 2: the only guy in New Zealand with bush skills. The

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Speaker 2: cops have got specialist teams, and if they don't want

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Speaker 2: to use those teams because they don't want to have

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Speaker 2: a shootout, well then we've got the defense force. The

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Speaker 2: defense force can be used here. They've actually been used

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Speaker 2: in the search beforehand. And you cannot tell me that

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Speaker 2: our essays can handle the tullybut but can't track down

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Speaker 2: a guy in the bush and beyond him before he

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Speaker 2: knows that they're there. You cannot tell me they can't

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Speaker 2: do that. I suspect the police have made the decision

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Speaker 2: to not find him, which, by the way, I actually

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Speaker 2: think may be the right to decision, given how messy

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Speaker 2: I think the family court business could in fact be

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Speaker 2: in this case. But they are not trying to find him,

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Speaker 2: and I just wonder if maybe they should say that

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Speaker 2: is out there until the day that Tom Phillips decides

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Speaker 2: to come back, just so that every single passing winter

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Speaker 2: doesn't make the police look like they're being beaten by Tom.

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Speaker 3: Phillips together due for c Ellens.

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Speaker 2: Ninetier is the text number we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: a little bit more. Got some detail on what has

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Speaker 2: happened over there in pup, wasn't it at the dairy?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: About one in five high school principles have signed that

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Speaker 2: currently out for consultation, but these principles are warning that

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Speaker 2: we might be creating a quote lost generation. They argue

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Speaker 2: Stanford is manufacturing a crisis, they say, just to justify

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Speaker 2: the changes. Auckland principal Claire Amos signed the open letter

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Speaker 2: and is with Hello, Claire Cura, what is your concern?

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Speaker 5: I think my concern I've I've got a number of concerns.

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Speaker 5: I've got concerns about what is being proposed, but I've

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Speaker 5: also got concerns about the process under which consultation is happening. Firstly,

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Speaker 5: I think NCAA is not perfect. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: Titan and work on with NCAA.

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Speaker 5: I think we worry about what we lose if we

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Speaker 2: Now, why do you think it's going to have a

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Speaker 2: great impact on all of the groups that you just named?

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Speaker 5: One of the things that points out it actually talks

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Speaker 5: It recognizes that by narrowing the curriculum and reducing the

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Speaker 5: flexibility and forcing students to have to do whole subjects

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Speaker 5: and have to do a combination of internal and external assessments,

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Speaker 5: that this will potentially reduce the chance of those at

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Speaker 2: And so I'm making it harder to see this. As

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Speaker 2: we're making it harder, we are lifting the standard and

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Speaker 2: some of those kids will simply not be able to

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Speaker 5: I think we need to be really careful about how

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Speaker 5: we define making it harder. I've got no problem with

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Speaker 5: diverse definitions of success. I do think we need to

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Speaker 5: lift out those students you cannot, we need I'm an

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Speaker 5: English teacher. I think we need to be working on

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Speaker 2: And yet you and your profession are not.

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not. I disagree with Well, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys okay with what is happening at the minute,

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Speaker 2: which is when we introduce the co requisite? Kids are

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Speaker 2: failing at these extraordinary rates. Like we are talking and

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Speaker 2: How did that happen? How are we okay with that?

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Speaker 5: I can actually explain a number of reasons why that happened.

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Speaker 5: We ended up doing a jump in our testing before

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Speaker 5: with increase teaching and learning and then they are ready

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Speaker 2: But I know also what you're admitting there is that

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Speaker 2: you and look I'm not I don't please. It's quite confrontational,

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Speaker 2: can read and write, is that not the more important

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Speaker 5: What happens when they fail they leave the system? I

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Speaker 5: don't know if you recall what the results were like

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Speaker 5: prior to NCAA, Maori and Pacifica are incredibly overrepresented in

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Speaker 2: What's the point in having them in the system if

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Speaker 5: I think we absolutely need to be looking looking at

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Speaker 5: the literacy and numeracy. We've got far greater supporting them

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Speaker 5: if they remain in the system and wrap around them

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Speaker 5: and support them. I'm not arguing about lowering at the bar.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying we raise it, but we ensure that we

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Speaker 2: You're asking for when you talk about time, you are

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Speaker 2: asking for cohorts of students who do not get the

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Speaker 2: pass by Coe.

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Speaker 5: But you're in turn, you'd rather have cohorts of students

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Speaker 2: Listen, if they get closed out, but they can read

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Speaker 5: No, but we'll see what happens is they fail at

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Speaker 5: not arguing for a dumbing down. I'm asking for wrap

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Speaker 5: start shifting how we assess them. But we need to

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate it. That's Claire Amos Auckland

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Speaker 2: High School Principal. Yeah. I went through the list and

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Speaker 2: sizable minority. It's nothing to be completely written off. It

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Speaker 2: style too. So yeah, you just connect those dots there

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Speaker 2: Woman arguing against the NCAA changes wants us to lower

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Speaker 2: lower the bar. In her defense. Four nineteen s Board.

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Speaker 2: Bet responsibly Jason pine we can sport hosters with us Piney, Hello, Hello, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Warriors v Eels tonight. What's the feeling in you waters.

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Speaker 6: My waters?

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Speaker 7: The feeling of my waters is that I think the

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Speaker 7: Warriors can win the game, and I think they will

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Speaker 7: win the game, and it's quite important that they win

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Speaker 7: the game because the top four is still not secure

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Speaker 7: for them. We know that if they win tonight and

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Speaker 7: when next week, they'll be in the top four. That's

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Speaker 7: mathematically certain. If they were to lose tonight, the Broncos

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Speaker 7: and the Sharks are only two points behind and lying

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Speaker 7: in wait, both with a better points differential than the Warriors,

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Speaker 7: which matters if you end up equal on points. So

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Speaker 7: that's a very long window way of saying that, my

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Speaker 7: waters are telling me that the Warriors will win take

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Speaker 7: a big step towards securing a place in that top four.

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Speaker 2: How good? What time is it? Is it a late

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Speaker 2: one again?

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Speaker 7: Eight o'clock, eight o'clock, So that's that's not that's not

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Speaker 7: too bad. Yeah, you'll be you're still you'll not bury

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Speaker 7: might not, but you'll be up.

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Speaker 2: That's infant, mum mum. Hours. You can still, you can

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Speaker 2: still finish a game. Indeed, all right, so to mighty

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Speaker 2: Williams has resigned it, I mean we've got to be

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Speaker 2: pleased with us.

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Speaker 7: Right, big piece of business yere Tomighty Williams to twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty nine as well. Only Damien McKenzie has contracted that long,

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Speaker 7: so it's a significant length of contract to Mighty Williams

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Speaker 7: is the kind of player who up north in the

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Speaker 2: Your good stuff. Hey piney as always appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend, Jason Pine. We can sport host, Heather.

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Speaker 2: I missed school certificate twice. Now I've got a business,

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du for

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Speaker 2: They'd be Heather Raisers, getting the old justinder treatment from

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Speaker 2: We'll deal with it later. But I have to deal

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Speaker 2: twenty five. A district court judge has basically given a

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Speaker 2: So what's happened is December twenty nine last year Chap

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Speaker 2: So he's charged and they take the stuff away from him,

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Speaker 2: He's represented himself in court. He says, he's got no family.

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Speaker 2: He says these commentsal submissions. At first Blush would be

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Speaker 2: The cops must have well, actually this this text to

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Speaker 2: about it. As I said earlier, now, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Victorian Police Commissioner Mike Bush has given an update on

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Speaker 2: the manhunt for the alleged cop killer Desi Freeman.

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Speaker 8: We are not.

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Speaker 9: Leaving here until this person is in custody.

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Speaker 6: In fact, if that person.

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Speaker 2: Russia has made a major air attack on Ukraine. Twenty

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Speaker 11: This time it was really really close, too close to actions,

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Speaker 2: And finally, a Canadian man has proven that he is

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Speaker 1: Steve International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon would happen if we got Steve

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Speaker 2: What was motivating him to high school these.

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Speaker 12: The shooter him or herself, and by the way, we

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Speaker 12: the States continue to refer to her as him, So

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Speaker 12: it becomes a little bit confusing. But this whole transgender

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Speaker 12: issue has become an issue with apparently some hate reference

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Speaker 12: is in the Minnesota area and officials they're telling people

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Speaker 12: that they shouldn't cast dispersions on entire communities because of

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Speaker 12: the actions of one individual.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, fair enough. Now listen, what's where are we

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Speaker 2: at with the latest with the troops going into Chicago.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, there apparently has been some outreach from

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Speaker 12: outskirts of Chicago on whether or not it's available to

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Speaker 12: be used at some point in the not too distant

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Speaker 12: future to aid in a bed as they put it,

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Speaker 12: immigration officials. Well, of course, you know, as you know,

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Speaker 12: whether this follows on the heels of President Trump sending

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Speaker 12: the National Guards first to the city of Los Angeles

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Speaker 12: not too long ago, and then more recently to Washington,

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Speaker 12: d C. Where they are still mobilized and patrolling the streets.

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Speaker 12: So you know, Trump has made no secret of the

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Speaker 12: fact that he wants to have better control. He's says

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Speaker 12: of crime, although crime has gone down in Chicago, as

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Speaker 12: it has in Washington and Los Angeles, but he says

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Speaker 12: he wants to have control overall in a better way.

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Speaker 12: So it's not clear when this is going to happen,

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Speaker 12: except that apparently is on his list, along with some

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Speaker 12: other cities that happen to be run by Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Infascinating stuff. Very quickly, does Lisa Cook do you think

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Speaker 2: have a case?

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Speaker 12: Well, she legally has a case because as a member

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Speaker 12: of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, she

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Speaker 12: doesn't technically serve at the pleasure of the President of

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Speaker 12: the United States. But there are some parently, you know,

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Speaker 12: as is always the case, there are some ifs ands,

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Speaker 12: there were butts to the you know, the legality of

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Speaker 12: whether the president can fire a board member. The president

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Speaker 12: can with cause. The question now is whether or not

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Speaker 12: there really is any cause. Trump is claiming that there's

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Speaker 12: some kind of mortgage fraud, which denies there is going

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Speaker 12: to be a court hearing, by the way, a Friday,

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Speaker 12: US time to determine whether or not mister Trump has

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Speaker 12: the we.

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Speaker 6: Got right to fire her.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Charles, Listen, thanks for filling us and I appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Charles Feldman, US correspondent eighteen away.

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Speaker 3: From five heatherd for Cela.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get you across what the police have

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Speaker 2: said about the Marter KRPA dad, Tom Phillips, and his

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Speaker 2: missing kids. So Tom and one of the kids were

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Speaker 2: caught on video. You'll have seen it by now. They

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Speaker 2: were breaking into a dairy and pup you on Wednesday night,

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Speaker 2: two in the morning. They stole apparently, according to the

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Speaker 2: dairy owner, only milk. Now, the cops don't know the

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Speaker 2: significance of this breaking.

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Speaker 13: And we're looking at doesn't mean he's potentially head of

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Speaker 13: falling out with who's helping him.

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Speaker 2: But what they are kind of drawing our attention to

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Speaker 2: is the fact that Tom Phillips looks pretty relaxed just

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Speaker 2: going about sneaking around at night.

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Speaker 13: Well, he certainly appears very comfortable to just come with

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Speaker 13: that way to pup you and commit a burglary. He

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Speaker 13: was there, they probably thirteen fourteen minutes, did a bit

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Speaker 13: of a reconnaissance around the area before the committing the burglary.

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Speaker 2: Now, apropos what I said at the very start of

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Speaker 2: the show, which is that I do not believe that

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Speaker 2: the police are actually trying to find him. They have

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Speaker 2: basically confirmed that they are not actively searching for the family.

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Speaker 13: Every time we get new information or something like this happens,

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Speaker 13: we re evaluate and go, well what does this mean

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Speaker 13: for the investigation. But in terms of searching specific areas,

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Speaker 13: we do have concerns around the risk TOM posers, so

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Speaker 13: we're very careful in terms of searching. So we're still

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Speaker 13: just seeking the public's help with information to come in.

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Speaker 2: And they're very happy to let time take it, just

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Speaker 2: take its time. Basically, they're just happy to wait.

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Speaker 13: Everyone would like this to be over yesterday. But I

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Speaker 13: go back to the focus is getting the children out safely.

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Speaker 13: We're not going to put anyone in harm's way just

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Speaker 13: to try and end something quickly.

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Speaker 2: And as to whether they're worried that he pos is

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Speaker 2: a risk to his kids.

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Speaker 6: That's a concern about certainly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll have a chat to Algillespie about that.

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Speaker 2: As I said, in about half an hour's time, it's

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Speaker 2: quarter to right now.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty Barry So, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry,

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather. See how see how successful Chris Luxon's been?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 14: Well, absolutely, I said it right from the start. You

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Speaker 14: remember from you thought it was a bit cring. It's

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Speaker 14: still it's still got the marked. Didn't it got home

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Speaker 14: to Travis? I said, don't cringe at it, because you

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Speaker 14: know it's good that he comes out. Prime ministers have

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Speaker 14: done this before. I mean, John Keene's a bit of

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Speaker 14: an entertainer. Here'll do this, and of course Stephen Colbert

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Speaker 14: with Justin durn I mean programs on New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 14: And who who knows Taylor and Travis may come.

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Speaker 6: To you never know whither.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to come. It's just good for the publicity.

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Speaker 2: Stop being all right, okay, delude had gone? Then what happened?

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Speaker 2: So what happened? What well, but what happened is that

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Speaker 2: what he said, I will I will explain what's happened here.

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Speaker 2: The latest is that Luxon has said one of his

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Speaker 2: best friends in America is actually in business with Travis,

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Speaker 2: as in Travis Kelsey. But we're on a first name

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Speaker 2: basis now. And he actually got a reply back from Travis,

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Speaker 2: and he loved the offer, and he asked jokingly whether

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Speaker 2: he could get a passport.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was a joke, of course.

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Speaker 2: And we will, of course give him a passport.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, of course not anyway.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So Tom Phillips.

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Speaker 6: Trivial, absolutely trivial.

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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips.

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Speaker 14: Oh, Tom Phillips. Well, it's an interesting one, this isn't it.

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Speaker 14: I was reading what a military lawyer, Matthew Haig, who

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Speaker 14: served with the NZDF and the police. He is quoted

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Speaker 14: as saying the Prime Minister or other senior ministers, they

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Speaker 14: certainly have the authority they wanted to send the military in.

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Speaker 14: And the essas did have experience in bushcraft as good,

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Speaker 14: I would imagine, not much better than Tom Phillips, and

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Speaker 14: they could probably flesh him out in very little time.

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Speaker 14: But the biggest concern is that Tom Phillips is seen

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Speaker 14: to be armed and worried about the children. What may

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Speaker 14: happen if an ambush is launched against this man and

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Speaker 14: the bush, what will happen to those kids? And that's

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Speaker 14: what they're.

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Speaker 6: More worried about it.

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Speaker 14: But it does seem rather a strange to stand up,

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Speaker 14: I've got to say, because this guy is going around

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Speaker 14: and you know, robbing dairies and whatever. But I'll tell

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Speaker 14: you what the Prime Minister he wasn't about to be

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Speaker 14: drawn into the issue when he was asked about it

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Speaker 14: in christ Church today.

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Speaker 15: Those are issues for police to work through and I'll

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Speaker 15: leave them for them. It's an operational issue for them,

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Speaker 15: and you know that's up for them. I'm not as

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Speaker 15: Prime Minister of New Zealand. It's important that the police

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Speaker 15: are responsible for operationally, for making engagements in that way

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Speaker 15: and will let him wear their way through.

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Speaker 14: And that's always the answer, is that from the politicians.

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Speaker 14: But look you mentioned earlier Andrew Costa when he was

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Speaker 14: the Commissioner, he said that the military had been involved

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Speaker 14: at some stage last year. So they've been out there,

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Speaker 14: but I still haven't tracked this man down.

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Speaker 2: What some defital day mean to Chris Luxen.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: He was down in christ Church at the Cancer Society

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Speaker 14: and the deffidial day is to raise awareness full cancer

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Speaker 14: and to that end, he was at the Cancer Society

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Speaker 14: and explained his link to the disease.

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Speaker 15: My father actually volunteers here as a driver and crash

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Speaker 15: each here. And I have an auntie right now that's

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Speaker 15: going through her own battle, So my thoughts are very

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Speaker 15: much with her to down I'm hoping to catch up

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Speaker 15: with her privately later on the day as well. But look,

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Speaker 15: I mean, yeah, one in three New Zealanders impacted by cancer.

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Speaker 15: And so as a government, you know, in the eighteen

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Speaker 15: months we've been in power, you know we've put a

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Speaker 15: big investment obviously into cancer drugs to try and close

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Speaker 15: the cancer gap with Australia. Secondly, we've done we've got

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Speaker 15: the self tests out for cervical cancer. We've expanded breast

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Speaker 15: cancer screening from seventy to seventy four, we've lowered beow

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Speaker 15: cancer from sixty to fifty eight. There's obviously more work

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Speaker 15: to do there. It's about ex colin oscarpies.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, there will be few New Zealanders I would imagine,

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Speaker 14: including myself that haven't had cancer in the family somewhere,

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Speaker 14: So it's a major issue in New Zealand, and it's good.

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Speaker 2: Did you buy any deafidils?

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Speaker 6: You did hear that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you buy any dafidils?

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Speaker 6: You did hear that?

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Speaker 2: With my money? With my money? Did you buy any daffodils? All? Mate,

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Speaker 2: sit at the girl we've all had cancer in the family,

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Speaker 2: but doesn't want to sholl out for a daffodil.

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Speaker 14: I would if I was near a flower shop.

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Speaker 2: Did you find yourself a daffidil on the way home?

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Speaker 15: Then?

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Speaker 2: Hate? What about the legal fees, the legal fees that

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Speaker 2: are doing in them racked up? I mean, look, I

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Speaker 2: know nobody's going to be happy about it, but this

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Speaker 2: is this is fair as well.

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Speaker 6: It's fear to an extent.

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Speaker 14: But why did they have to take legal advice not

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Speaker 14: to appear before the inquiry? I mean, couldn't have they

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Speaker 14: had just said we're not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a fair They are.

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Speaker 14: The lawyer and they pay out of taxpayers the taxpayers person.

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Speaker 14: But you know, if you look through the way this

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Speaker 14: thing is the person is used by former ministers and

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Speaker 14: what have you leave expenses for Crown and External Counsel

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Speaker 14: to provide support to that inquiry so far amounts to

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Speaker 14: three hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. So lawyers are

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Speaker 14: making a lot of money out of this particular inquiry.

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Speaker 14: And we mustn't forget our diplomat currently in Ireland, Trevor Mallard.

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Speaker 14: I mean you remember he trespassed Winston Peters from Parliament

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Speaker 14: Winston talk action as he's wont to do. That cost

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Speaker 14: fifty five thousand dollars to the taxpayer, and then came

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Speaker 14: the three hundred and thirty thousand dollars that was spent

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Speaker 14: on legal fees by Mallard for falsely accusing a parliamentary

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Speaker 14: staff member of rape.

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Speaker 6: And I was very much involved in that story.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Barry. We're at the political week. That was you later,

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Speaker 2: that's very so pre senior political correspondence seven away from five.

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Speaker 3: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers.

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Speaker 9: Some Mike Asking in New Zealand who came to the

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Speaker 9: company results party yesterday with one hundred and twenty six

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Speaker 9: million net profit which is down thirteen point seven percent.

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Speaker 9: There is a five percent increase in the affairs coming

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Speaker 9: as well. Greg Furan is, of course the chief executive,

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Speaker 9: and a great question around the economy. Do you see

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Speaker 9: the pick up?

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Speaker 16: It will happen, I would say to you, just at

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Speaker 16: the moment, it's still pretty hard going. Government passenger numbers

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Speaker 16: are down ten percent, corporate numbers are down five percent

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Speaker 16: on same time last year.

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Speaker 3: But that will change.

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Speaker 16: I'd hope that by now it would be picking up,

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Speaker 16: as I'm sure everyone did, but it isn't.

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Speaker 9: But it isn't just yet, and you've written off the

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Speaker 9: rest of the year. Heaven, you cannot completely, but you're not, bully.

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Speaker 16: It's going to be, Yeah, certainly for us through till Christmas.

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Speaker 9: Back Monday from six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: Mayley's real Estate Newstalk z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. So

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Speaker 2: offer this chap in amnesty, accommodation and schooling along with

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Speaker 2: sorting out the family court stuff. It's cheaper than any

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Speaker 2: other option. I've no doubt he would never hurt his children.

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Speaker 2: He's protecting them. Do you know what, don I totally

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Speaker 2: agree with Don. I would offer him the total amnesty

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Speaker 2: and then just let them come out, you know, so

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Speaker 2: that the whole thing is over. But and also this,

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Speaker 2: but this is the trouble is obviously he wants to

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Speaker 2: retain custody of the kids, doesn't want to give custody

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Speaker 2: to the X. I don't even know if the X

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Speaker 2: would ever get custody. Who knows. But you think you

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Speaker 2: don't want to be sending the kids into two state care.

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Speaker 2: But can you really leave the kids with somebody who's

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Speaker 2: done a bank robbery with them? So it feels I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it feels very very complicated, doesn't it. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I don't know if you realize it. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I was talking about Mike Bush before in

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Speaker 2: the World Wires. He's the chap over in Victoria who's

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Speaker 2: sorting out you know, old mate, a very similar case,

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Speaker 2: Dessy Dezzi Freeman, who's gone Bush in Victoria. That's our

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Speaker 2: Mike Bush. That's Mike Bush, our police commissioner, Mike Bush.

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Speaker 2: He's as handsome as ever, But what do you remember

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Speaker 2: when he stopped being our police commissioner. He started going

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Speaker 2: very private detective and is looked and he got those

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Speaker 2: dark glasses and he slicked his groy's hair out, slicked

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Speaker 2: it back, wore a sharp suit. He's now he's gone.

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Speaker 2: He's ditched the private detective look and he's gone straight

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Speaker 2: back to the old, you know, straight up and down

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Speaker 2: l a cop look, and it was working. Here's got

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Speaker 2: side cut, his hair short, side part, clean shaven, glasses

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Speaker 2: are gone, contact lenses back in and he looks like

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Speaker 2: he could run any police force in the whole wide world.

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Speaker 2: Our Mike Bush proud of him, aren't we? Anyway? Jody

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Speaker 2: O'Donnell TVNZ's boss with us next on paying that surprise dividend.

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Speaker 2: News TOOKSTV.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find and give the analysis. Here the

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Speaker 1: duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand and the power

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Speaker 1: of satellite mobile news dogs let.

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Speaker 2: B Afternoon TV and Z has announced a surprise dividend

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Speaker 2: to be paid to the government of three million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The broadcaster has delivered a twenty five million dollar after

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Speaker 2: tax profit, which is a huge turnaround after last years

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Speaker 2: eighty five million dollar loss. Jody O'Donnell is the CEO

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Speaker 2: of TV and said, hey, Jody, hi, he how are

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Speaker 2: you m well?

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Speaker 14: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: How wrong was I so? Just a couple of days

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Speaker 2: ago I was saying, that's the end of the dividends

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Speaker 2: from TV and Z and here you go, how'd.

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Speaker 3: You do it?

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Speaker 17: Well, Look, I think that it's like many businesses last year,

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Speaker 17: we all had to make really hard decisions. But wasn't

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Speaker 17: just around us actually resetting our cost base. We actually

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Speaker 17: really ruthlessly focused around revenue initiatives as well, so we

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Speaker 17: were able to do it at the same time, and

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Speaker 17: our revenue was stronger than we had predicted.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the last one though? For the

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Speaker 2: last dividends? Yeah, for a while.

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Speaker 17: Look, it's our obligation to pay a dividend. We've actually

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Speaker 17: paid eight dividends over the last ten years, so it's

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Speaker 17: a process that we go through every year and time.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to have a couple of losses at least, right,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to be paying a dividend, are you.

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Speaker 17: Well, Again, it's a process that would have to go

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Speaker 17: through every year. So I'm not going to say upfront

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Speaker 17: whether it's in or it's out, would you pay one

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Speaker 17: in a loss? Again, it would have to be a

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Speaker 17: conversation that we have with our board at the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a possibility given that you did turn

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Speaker 2: around a profit here? Did you cut too hard? When

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Speaker 2: you cut?

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Speaker 17: I knew you'd ask me that question. Look like I said,

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Speaker 17: we had to make the decisions that we had in

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Speaker 17: front of us at the time. And so what was

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Speaker 17: really important is that we set the cost base of

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Speaker 17: the business into a stable position that we could see

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Speaker 17: at least for the next three or four years. And

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Speaker 17: that was really important for us as we started our

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Speaker 17: investment program. So over the next two years, in particular,

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Speaker 17: we're self funding an investment program, and that's really important

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Speaker 17: for us to ensure that we can transform TV and said,

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Speaker 17: the first thing that all of our viewers will see

747
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Speaker 17: will be a brand new tv Z plus platform next

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Speaker 17: year that obviously allows us to have enhanced user experiences,

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Speaker 17: but also allows us to unlock the pay capability, which

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Speaker 17: you would have hurt. Us announced earlier this week with

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Speaker 17: in conjunction with a fee for World Cup rights. When

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Speaker 17: is the FIFA World Cup again?

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Speaker 2: It's middle of June next year. Okay, So does that

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Speaker 2: is that the start of you guys charging us for things?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously the first case of it, But

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Speaker 2: how soon after that does that become the regular thing?

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Speaker 17: Well, look, it's the first thing that we've identified that's

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Speaker 17: really important, and we know we'll be big for audiences.

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Speaker 17: So as a free do we broadcaster, there's always rights

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Speaker 17: that have been outside of our reach. So for us

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Speaker 17: to unlock that pay capability, we want to test and

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Speaker 17: learn how do the super fans want to watch all

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Speaker 17: one hundred and four matches and then how do we

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Speaker 17: balance that as well with the free to wear audience exposure.

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Speaker 17: So we've said the all whites will all be free

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Speaker 17: on TVNZ one, so it'll be a huge learning opportunity

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Speaker 17: for us.

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Speaker 2: Do you think are you guys looking at just charging

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Speaker 2: punters for the big events or do you think you're

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Speaker 2: going to charge us for the regular stuff that we

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Speaker 2: like to watch, like Bluey.

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Speaker 17: Fifty million streams of Bluey in the Last World? How

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Speaker 17: many of them were your household?

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Speaker 2: I keep telling you put Bluey behind the pay will

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Speaker 2: you make a mint?

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Speaker 17: Look, we are thinking about it in event space at

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Speaker 17: the moment. So what we want to be able to

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Speaker 17: do is you know, TVNZ is free at its core

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Speaker 17: and that will continue. We're an ad funded business and

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Speaker 17: we will be free. But certainly once we test this

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Speaker 17: event pass with feetha World Cup. Well look for other

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Speaker 17: opportunities as well. It's really around what the audience audiences want.

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Speaker 17: But also with that pay capability, it means we can

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Speaker 17: compete for rights that we haven't been able.

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Speaker 2: To do in that house. I'll spoke to you about

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Speaker 2: the netball.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, really happy, just really happy to make it accessible

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Speaker 17: for all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: And I think I mean, are you actually paying anything

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Speaker 2: or are you just the lucky recipient of the netball.

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Speaker 17: That's obviously commercial sensitivity, so I won't be able to

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Speaker 17: answer that, but certainly we've had the netball for the

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Speaker 17: last two years. We've had a three game a week,

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Speaker 17: and so we can see the audience growth there and

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Speaker 17: how much the audiences love it, and it's really important

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Speaker 17: for us that we can obviously showcase that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be a point at which, as

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Speaker 2: you get more we're coming to watch the fever, then

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Speaker 2: we're coming to watch the netball, then we're coming to

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Speaker 2: watch the MPC, and we're watching all the stuff. At

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Speaker 2: some point you will have a critical mass where you

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Speaker 2: can start checking a lot more stuff behind the payball, right,

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Speaker 2: because we'll get used to the platform.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, again, we are at our heart free to weare

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Speaker 17: and so that's a really important part of our DNA.

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Speaker 17: But with this capability, it means that we can compete.

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Speaker 17: You need to make money, Jo, We don't need to

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Speaker 17: make money, No, absolutely we do and we will always

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Speaker 17: make the decisions based on that basis.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, how much is are in Z paying

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Speaker 2: you to be in the building.

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Speaker 17: Again, that's a commercial negotiation, but we're looking forward to

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Speaker 17: them when they do move on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jody, It's worth try, Jody o'donald TV and z' CEO.

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Speaker 3: Twelve past five, Heather Duplessy LA.

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Speaker 2: In the case of the missing matter corper Man Tom

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Speaker 2: Phillips and his kids, police have basically confirmed that they

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Speaker 2: are not actively searching for them.

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Speaker 13: Everyone would like this to be over yesterday, but I

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Speaker 13: go back to the focus is getting the children out safely.

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Speaker 13: We're not going to put anyone in harm's way just

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Speaker 13: to try and end something quickly.

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Speaker 2: Police have held a press conference today after news that

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Speaker 2: Tom and possibly one of his kids broke into a

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Speaker 2: PUPW dairy on Wednesday to Steel Milk. Military lawyer Matthew

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Speaker 2: hagu Is served in both the Defense Force and the

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Speaker 2: police and is with us. Hello, Matthew, what are you

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Speaker 2: reckons going on here? Have the police basically backed off?

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Speaker 18: I think they have, and I think that's wise. I

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Speaker 18: think the police need to balance bringing this matter to

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Speaker 18: a conclusion with the risk that mister Phillips or perhaps

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Speaker 18: even worse, one of the kids could be involved with weapons.

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Speaker 18: And there's risk to everyone. Please, the chickids and mister Phillips.

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Speaker 2: So what are we doing? Are we just basically waiting

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Speaker 2: for them to eventually one day come out of the bush?

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Speaker 18: I think that would be the best outcome. It would

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Speaker 18: hopefully happen sooner rather than ny SA. But I've got

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Speaker 18: no doubt that police will be not just monitoring the

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Speaker 18: situation passively. They'll be very actively thinking, perhaps observing, taking

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Speaker 18: steps to locate mister Phillip and the kids. They'll be

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Speaker 18: working with a community, they will have a range of

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Speaker 18: different resources available to them. What they're trying to avoid

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Speaker 18: is a direct confrontation in a way that could result

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Speaker 18: in the ready that outcome.

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Speaker 2: Possible, though, Matthew, that this could go on for years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't remember how young the youngest one is,

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Speaker 2: but it'll be years before that child is not subject

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Speaker 2: to any family court orders if that is what the motivator.

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Speaker 18: Yes, and in fact it has been years, hasn't it.

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Speaker 18: So I think that's why I say that the police

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Speaker 18: will need to balance avoiding escalating the situation and bringing

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Speaker 18: it to a close because this can't go on forever.

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Speaker 18: But police, I think are wisely not jumping into it

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Speaker 18: too quickly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it would it not be possible to

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Speaker 2: watch these guys, find out where they are, watch them,

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Speaker 2: and then if we want to avoid a gunfight, which

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Speaker 2: we definitely do, nab them next time they go into

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Speaker 2: Pew Pew to get some milk.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that would be a good outcome as well. And

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Speaker 18: I suspect that's one option that police will be not

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Speaker 18: just looking at, but potentially looking to effect. But you know,

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Speaker 18: this is an unpredictable situation, and from what I've seen

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Speaker 18: in the media, the allegations are that he has weapons

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Speaker 18: with him, perhaps all the time. So it's really difficult,

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Speaker 18: I think, to find a time that would be safe

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Speaker 18: for everyone is.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, Please tell me if I'm naive, But is

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Speaker 2: it not possible that we have the capability within the

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Speaker 2: police or the defense force to actually track these guys

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Speaker 2: to where they are and be on them before they

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Speaker 2: realize it.

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Speaker 18: I think there is that capability, and I think perhaps

874
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 18: we'll get to the point where that's exactly what they

875
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 18: will do. But with that option, there's a huge amount

876
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 18: of risk, is keV. As they are as professional as

877
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 18: the police and the Defense Force are, there's the risk

878
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 18: they could pick up a gun and open fire. We've

879
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 18: seen that overseas, we've seen that in New Zealand on occasion.

880
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: No one wants that.

881
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: Matthew, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much,

882
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: thanks for expertise. Matthew Haig, a military lawyer who's been

883
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: both in the Defense Force and the police. I'll tell

884
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: you what I've got to tell you what I'm excited about,

885
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: and I'm very excited about it, but we'll talk about

886
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,120
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Speaker 3: Together do for see Ellenhither.

906
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 2: You're a fool If you think he's still bush, someone

907
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: is hiding him and the kids in a house or

908
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: a shed. If that is the case, then why aren't

909
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: they giving a milk? Nineteen past five, Now here's a

910
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: story for you. A member of the Mongrel mob has

911
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: asked a judge in court for his confiscated gang patch

912
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: back and the judge has said yes because of Teakunger.

913
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: So the gang member argued that he sees the mob

914
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: as his family and that the patches like a family crest,

915
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: and the judge agreed with him. Alexander Gillespie is a

916
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: law professor at the University of Wykathwin with us heyl

917
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Speaker 2: Hey header. Has the judge interpreted the law correctly?

918
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 19: I think he's interpreted it fairly. The problem is is

919
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 19: that it's an ambiguity in the law and it doesn't

920
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 19: say that the patch must be destroyed. If you want

921
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 19: to go back to this, take it back to Parliament,

922
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 19: get the law straight, move forward.

923
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: How does te kunger apply? How does tea kunger override

924
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: the gang patch confiscation?

925
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 19: I think it's part of a wider discussion in that

926
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 19: this law has some very good aspects to it in

927
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 19: terms of making people feel a lot safer, but there

928
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 19: are human rights aspects to it as well, in terms

929
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 19: of freedom of speech, freedom of identity, a collective way

930
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 19: of seeing yourself. I think tea kung is just one

931
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 19: word that's been applied to this which the media has

932
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 19: got hold of. To me, it's a difficult issue, but

933
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 19: if Parliament feels that there's a need to move forward,

934
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 19: they should. They should just take it back and make

935
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 19: me no ambiguity. There was an ambiguity in this. If

936
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 19: you want to make sure that the patches are removed,

937
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 19: just get Parliament to say take them out and that

938
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Speaker 19: they cannot be returned.

939
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So is it not necessarily actually a tea kunger thing,

940
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: but really a bill of rights thing.

941
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 19: It's a poorly written law thing because it's it's not

942
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 19: really either a bill of rights thing or a teacung

943
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 19: the thing. It's like if parliament monsters, I mean, you

944
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 19: can do that. You can say don't have patches in public,

945
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 19: which is a fear of laws. Other countries do it

946
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 19: as well. But if it comes to the removal and

947
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 19: destruction of the patch, then that's where you should say

948
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 19: it must happen or it shall happen.

949
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Right, And weren't they they were warned that they need

950
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: to write into law that they must destroy the patch

951
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: otherwise the patch could be given back.

952
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, that's right, you know. So to me it's something,

953
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 19: you know, if this is an issue, and I don't

954
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 19: think there's a risk here that there's going to suddenly

955
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 19: be a lot of patches returned around the country because

956
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 19: it's a very specific case. But if there is a

957
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 19: concern as with all issues where there is ambiguity, you

958
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 19: don't want the judges making law, but you want Parliament

959
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 19: to make law. Take it back, rewrite it, make sure

960
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 19: that ambiguity is gone, move forward.

961
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well as always, I really love talking to you.

962
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Thank you. El Gillespie, Professor of Law at the University

963
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: of Wycato. Okay, this is what I'm excited about. Look,

964
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: brace yourself, lower your expectations immediately. This is what I

965
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: am excited about. Next Tuesday, the the ACT Party is

966
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: going to be announcing the ACT Party's position on the

967
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: Paris Agreement and New Zealand's approach to climate policy. And

968
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: I am already here for this. I am already fizzing

969
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: for this. I already know it's going to consume all

970
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: of my Tuesday and definitely my Thursday night when I

971
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: write a column about it. For sure. You please, dear God,

972
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: let the ACT Party promise to pull us out of

973
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: the Climate Agreement, because they have to, right, because they

974
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: are the party who seems to at least see things rationally,

975
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: not get caught up in the vibes and the emos.

976
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: It's lovely. I also am worried about the climate. It's

977
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: lovely to think that we can all join the Paris

978
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: Agreement and then pledge, we pledge that we will all

979
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: bring down our emissions. But we're not. We're not doing that,

980
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: and no one else is, and we're all headed to

981
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: still burn the planet. So in which case, stop wasting

982
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: your time, stop wasting your money, pull out of the

983
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: stupid thing, and find another way to make it because

984
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: it's not working right, So why would you keep on

985
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: wasting your time with something that's not working anyway? This

986
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: is me just getting right in there right now and

987
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: hoping that on Friday I can still influence what I

988
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: can't still influence. That's what the act Party is going

989
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: to do on Tuesday. They've already sowed it up. But

990
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: this is what I'm hoping for. We will definitely be

991
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: talking about it on the show Absolutely five twenty two.

992
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

993
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

994
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: Like no one else news talks, there'd be Heather.

995
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm with you on the Paris announcement. That's right, see

996
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: what happens on Tuesday five twenty five. Now I've come

997
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: around to the idea of a bed levy in Auckland.

998
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: This is the thing that the Mayor of Auckland and

999
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: various others have been calling for but which the PM

1000
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: has said no to. A bed levy in Auckland is

1001
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: actually not that outrageous an idea, because we were already

1002
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: doing something similar to this before COVID. It was a

1003
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: targeted rate that hotels paid. But then, of course we

1004
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: se Auckland. When I say well, I mean Auckland stopped

1005
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: it during COVID because there was no one in the

1006
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: hotels and it was unfair to make them pay if

1007
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: they didn't have guests. And it was never started up

1008
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: again after COVID, and a bed levy would just quite

1009
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: nicely replace that basically, and we need it right, Auckland

1010
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: needs it. Look at what has happened because we don't

1011
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: have the money that was generated by that rate to

1012
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: bring events here. Auckland has almost nothing on the calendar.

1013
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: The city's economy has slumped. One in eight retail shops

1014
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: are empty. The unemployment in Auckland is higher than the

1015
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: national unemployment rate, and it was pointed out this week

1016
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: that Melbourne has more music festivals and stadium concerts happening

1017
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: in one week in December than Auckland has for the

1018
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: whole year of twenty twenty five. Now this is not

1019
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: just an Auckland problem. I mean this is a whole

1020
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: country problem because when a big artist or a big

1021
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: event comes here, it often comes to Auckland. But this

1022
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: year no Lady Gaga, no Oasis, previously, no Taytay. Auckland

1023
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: Council yesterday decided to set some money aside to start

1024
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: going hard on attracting events. Again. It's an underwriting basically,

1025
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: which means that if Auckland does get the events and

1026
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: then the money actually does get paid, rate payers then

1027
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: have to pay for it. So rate payers will pay

1028
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: for this. Now that's fine if that's what it takes.

1029
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: But I would prefer that it wasn't Auckland rate payers

1030
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: stumping up to bring big events here for the country.

1031
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: I would prefer that it was tourists staying in our

1032
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: hotels often for those events who were stumping up. So

1033
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: the government needs to get on board and let the

1034
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: bed levy happen. Ever, do for sel Now you want

1035
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: to hear what's going on with Auckland FC. So Auckland

1036
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: FC are busy playing in this Australasia Cup thing that

1037
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: they're doing, and they've got a semi final that they're

1038
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: supposed to play against some Victorian squad called what is

1039
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: it Heidelberg United. But the problem is the problem is

1040
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: the organizers have had to bring the semi final forward

1041
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: by two weeks and which is a total kerfuffle for everybody.

1042
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: This game that was supposed to happen is now going

1043
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: to have to happen two weeks early because Heidelberg United

1044
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: have got an end of season boys trip to Las

1045
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: Vegas booked in and they're not prepared to change that.

1046
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: So the whole Auckland f C Club, they might have

1047
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: had holidays booked, they might have had things that they

1048
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: were doing, they might have had No everybody has to

1049
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: down tools and reschedule everything for the end of season

1050
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: boys trip to Las Vegas. Isn't that mental? Mental? But

1051
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: it did happen. We're going to talk to the sports

1052
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: tittle about that, shorty, But first Themes Games and Toadunger

1053
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: News Talk's head.

1054
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Beat on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

1055
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy

1056
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of

1057
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: satellite mobile news talks head bes.

1058
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: DA Suity jursue by.

1059
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: Remember that thing we were talking We were talking about for

1060
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: a couple of days with Toadunger and the Ewie, the

1061
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: fight over the extinction. We've got the boss of support

1062
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: of Towadunger with us upter six o'clock as they've reported today. Okay,

1063
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: here we go. I've got a text from Wayne. Wayne,

1064
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to need a follow up response from you

1065
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: on this one. I've got a supplementary question for you.

1066
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: This is Wayne's text, Heather. I'm a dairy farmer. The

1067
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: last thing I want is for New Zealand to pull

1068
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: out of the Paris Accord. The collateral destruction of trade

1069
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: would be disastrous. The problem is how the morons have

1070
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: interpreted it. They pay more attention to a key clause

1071
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: being that implementation should not affect the production of food.

1072
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: That is the problem. Please reconsider your position on this. Okay,

1073
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: s Wayne, this is my question to you. What destruction

1074
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: of what trade are you talking about? Because as far

1075
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: as I know, and tell me if I'm wrong, but

1076
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: as far as I know, the only two FTAs that

1077
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: would be affected by what we do with the climate

1078
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: is the UK FTA and the EUFTA. The UK one's

1079
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: pretty generous. The EU one is rubbish. Don't even worry

1080
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: about that. So let's just talk about the UK one.

1081
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: Are they tell me if it's the UK one for

1082
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: the first start? Is that what you're talking about? Are

1083
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: they going to kick at us because of it? And

1084
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: then how much of our milk is going there? And

1085
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Speaker 2: do we care about it when most of our milk

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00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: is going to China? Who don't care about Paris? Follow

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Speaker 2: up texts police, thank you and then we'll deal with that.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three away from.

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Speaker 3: Six ever, do for c Allen.

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Speaker 2: Now more than twenty five thousand visitors from around Australasia

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Speaker 2: are descending on totaling of this weekend for the Ames Games,

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Speaker 2: fourteen thousand intermediate age kids from around the continent will

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Speaker 2: be complete, competing in twenty seven different sports. Kelly Shishka

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Speaker 2: is the director of the Zespri Ames Games and with

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Speaker 2: us Hello, Kelly, Hawai you tonight, I'm very well, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Kicks off tomorrow a way, So is it already mental?

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Speaker 20: It is organized chaos, I think is the best way

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00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 20: to describe it. The calm before the storm.

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Speaker 2: What kind of events are we talking about here?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, so all sporting events are so twenty seven sporting

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00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 20: codes at the zespri Ams Games this year, so everything

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Speaker 20: from you know, traditional sports that you'd expect like netball

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00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 20: and basketball through to orienteering and surfing and almost everything

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Speaker 20: in between.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic And from how far afield are people coming this year?

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Speaker 20: We have four hundred and thirty one schools represented at

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00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 20: the zespri Ames Games, so from all across New Zealand's

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Speaker 20: and we have some schools that we're welcoming from the

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00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 20: Cook Islands m Fiji this year as well, which is

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Speaker 20: very exciting.

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Speaker 2: Do we not have the Australians competing?

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00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 20: No Australians this year? So hopefully the New Zealands can

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00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 20: New Zealanders can take out most of the golds.

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00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Well yeah, why not? Why did the Australians not come

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00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: over this year?

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Speaker 20: We haven't had Australia come over in a number of years.

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Speaker 20: So yeah, it's primarily New Zealand schools without Pacific Island

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Speaker 20: friends as well.

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Speaker 2: What happened, Kelly? Why aren't Australia competing anymore? I'm desperate

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Speaker 2: to know now. Oh I'm not sure it was before

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Speaker 2: my time because they don't have their butts whip. I

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Speaker 2: don't enjoy that.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, look that sounds about right to me. Let's go

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Speaker 20: with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that story. How much is totong I

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Speaker 2: loving it?

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Speaker 20: Toto It loves it? Toto It is an incredible host city.

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Speaker 20: We're so lucky to have the community behind us. There's

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Speaker 20: so much buy in with this experience games. They love

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Speaker 20: showing off the city and being great hosts. They really

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Speaker 20: do roll out the red carpet for our visitors. So yeah,

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Speaker 20: we're very excited to be welcoming everyone tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Kelly Beast of luck with it, Keli Shishka,

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Speaker 2: the Ames Games tournament director. It's twenty one away from.

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Speaker 1: Six Friday Sports Total with New Zealand Suburby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: find You're one of a kind.

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Speaker 18: A minimum of twenty eight days for any concussion is

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Speaker 18: required before they actually go back to training and doing

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Speaker 18: everything else.

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Speaker 3: They're going to treat a brain like a broken arm,

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Speaker 3: then why don't we.

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Speaker 18: Just take the cast off at ten days because we

1143
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 18: all know we're going to rebreak it.

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Speaker 10: The lucky loser kind of getting two advantages both in

1145
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 10: terms of the second a second crack and also home

1146
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 10: advantage in the semi if you're ranked high enough.

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Speaker 6: So we mind that out full time.

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Speaker 3: One is thirty two.

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Speaker 2: That Titans eighteen Sports title of US. This evening we

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Speaker 2: have Elliott Smith, News Talk zb's Rugby editor rather and

1151
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: Nick Bewley Newstalk ZB Canterbury Sports Treat Highlands Evening.

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Speaker 3: Did I hit it?

1153
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: Elliott? Is Rugby doing enough to prevent the CTE from

1154
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: the head knocks?

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Speaker 4: You can probably always do a little bit more, I think,

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00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: But let's not forget that this game isn't the one

1157
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 4: that was played five years ago, played ten years ago,

1158
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: played fifteen years ago, played forty years ago, That it

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00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: is constantly evolving, and obviously that the Shane Christie News

1160
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: this week was absolutely horrific, and he's obviously getting his

1161
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: brain donated to science to check this for CTA, which

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Speaker 4: he believed he had. But the game is constantly evolving

1163
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: and trying to find ways that it can be safer

1164
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: while also retaining what draws people to both play it

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Speaker 4: and watch it and get people through the gates watching

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00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 4: on TV. So look, you probably always do a little

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Speaker 4: bit more, But it's like smoking. You know, people still

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00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 4: want to smoke cigarettes, and where is that line of

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Speaker 4: just allow people to do it versus you know, like

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it because you're going to go the personal

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Speaker 2: responsibility one and I like it. But it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit more like if you go to a factory or

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Speaker 2: if you're working in a factory and people are smoking

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Speaker 2: cigarettes around you, right, your boss has to tell you.

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Speaker 2: In this instance, hey, if you're going to hang around

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Speaker 2: and all of the smoke like you might you might die.

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Speaker 2: That's that is where the rugby that's where the rugby

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Speaker 2: boss is fit in that equation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And there has been talked when the

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 4: past of players potentially signing waivers. I don't know that

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Speaker 4: you want to go that far. And New Zealand we're

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Speaker 4: lucky to have acc that can provide that sort of treatment,

1184
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Speaker 4: which is not the case in the northern hemisterhere, and

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Speaker 4: that's where all the law cases are coming from because

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Speaker 4: they don't have that sort of protection up there. So

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Speaker 4: I think rugby can always do more, but there is

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Speaker 4: a very very fine line and what do you do

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Speaker 4: do you do you mandate it that basically you can't

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Speaker 4: you can't play concussion for for two months, we'll players'

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Speaker 4: report it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: We see early as we're watching the telly, we'll see

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Speaker 2: them go down with a massive head knock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but then after the game, you know this, the

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Speaker 4: smart mouthguards help. But if you're coming back as you

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Speaker 4: maybe took a knock in the game that didn't trigger

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Speaker 4: a smart mask, gad, if you have to stand down

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Speaker 4: when you report for a month, six weeks, whatever it

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Speaker 4: might be, are you actually going to do that if

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Speaker 4: you're a player?

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Speaker 2: What do you think? Nick?

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Speaker 21: Oh, it's complicated issue, isn't it. I think just on

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Speaker 21: that minimum standdown period, you know, it is worth noting

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Speaker 21: it's obviously improved up to twelve days, but it is

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Speaker 21: a little bit murky. I think, as Doug King pointed

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Speaker 21: out in that cut, that are you know why is

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Speaker 21: a professional athletes brain different to that of an amateur

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Speaker 21: sports person's brain. In terms of the community guidelines are

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Speaker 21: twenty one day minimum standdown, professionals being twelve other sports

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Speaker 21: it changes again And as sort of Elliot was alluding

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Speaker 21: to that, I don't probably subscribe to the theory that

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Speaker 21: the underreporting is going to be happening because we know

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Speaker 21: of how much the technology has advanced over the last

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Speaker 21: couple of years with with the smart mouth guards probably

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Speaker 21: the one. The only point I would stress too is

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Speaker 21: around that minimum standown period. It seems a little bit

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Speaker 21: harsh view to imply that there's been pressure from rugby

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Speaker 21: teams or high performance sport environments to go back at

1221
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 21: eleven days just because it will be to the benefit

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Speaker 21: of that sports team. Like I know our current example

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Speaker 21: down here in Canterbury where a professional player has been

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Speaker 21: scrubbed out for the last couple of weeks despite passing

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Speaker 21: HIA test, just because they feel like it is worth

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Speaker 21: airring on the side of caution. So it's a real

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Speaker 21: complex issue and it is really unfortunate too here that

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Speaker 21: at this point in time we're CTE. We can't diagnose

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Speaker 21: it until that player has passed, and until then I

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Speaker 21: feel like we're making a lot of judgments as to

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Speaker 21: whether we think we can do more. As Elliott said,

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Speaker 21: you know, how long is a piece of string win

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Speaker 21: terms of what more we can do, it's pretty subjective.

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Speaker 2: Nick, how much would you pay to watch all of

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00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: the football the FIFA Football World Cup on TVNZ plus.

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Speaker 21: That's probably a question for Jason Pine, I'm not the

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 21: greatest football officionado.

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Speaker 2: The answer to you is nothing, no, and that's exactly right.

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Speaker 21: And look, I'll be covering and I hope I'm still

1240
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 21: in a job by that point with ZB But look,

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Speaker 21: I'll watch the All Whites. I'll kind of keep a

1242
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 21: bit of an interest. However, I think the passionate football

1243
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 21: fans who want to see every single game, and my

1244
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 21: brother in law, for example, absolutely loves following Manchester City

1245
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 21: in the Premier League. I think he'd pay about fifty

1246
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 21: bucks for it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, there's something going on, Nick that you're

1248
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: not going to be employed by us mid next year.

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Speaker 22: No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 21: I just I always want to put that caveat out

1251
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 21: there just in case.

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Speaker 2: I'm also, do you also cross the room and touch

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: something that's wooden?

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Speaker 6: Always? Yeah?

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Speaker 21: Okay, you know we're in the media industry. After it,

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Speaker 21: I was going to say it's.

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Speaker 2: Tough in the media, Elliott, I'm going to come back

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Speaker 2: to you and just to tack on that, Nick Clearley,

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Speaker 2: elliotts Sports title this evening Quarters two.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand Southby's international real team,

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Speaker 2: You're back with the sports huddle, Elliott, how much would

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: you pay?

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Speaker 23: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think TV and Z has got me over a

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: barrel a little bit because I love football. I'm willing

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Speaker 4: to watch every game. I want to watch every game

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00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: of the FIFA World Cup when it's been on Sky.

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: I've watched plenty throughout, so there's probably a line somewhere,

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00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 4: but you know, I'm going to pay it probably regardless

1271
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: of what they put up. The games are going to

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Speaker 4: be at a good time, so I think the earliest to

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: be about five six am New Zealand time, right through

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Speaker 4: the morning into the afternoon. So look, it probably macks

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00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: out at about one hundred and twenty dollars, but I'm

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Speaker 4: probably going to pay whatever they ask. But I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure how it's a sustainable business model, is the other thing.

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00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 4: And mean, they're going to get the sugar hit from

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Speaker 4: all the FIFA fans coming in for the month long

1280
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 4: pass or whatever it is, but then it's going to

1281
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 4: dry up again. So I don't know how that's a

1282
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: sustainable business model for TV in Isn't.

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Speaker 2: It Isn't it isn't The idea just to basically get

1284
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: us used like. It's like a soft launch, isn't it

1285
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: of their paser.

1286
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: They happened with Spark Sport. They did the tournament pass

1287
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 4: of the twenty nineteen World carp and then everyone jumped

1288
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 4: off again. So they need compelling content to keep coming,

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00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: you know, every every month. That's what sustains you know,

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 4: the Sky Sport and Netflix. Disney plusses he keep coming

1291
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 4: back every month, he keep playing paying that subscription.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right. Did you see that Auckland FC scheduling drama?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 21: I thought you're going to ask me about their their

1295
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 21: uniforms actually which I thought they looked like they look

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Speaker 21: like the black Caps test cricket kit, one of those

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Speaker 21: ones with the am Z on the front.

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Speaker 2: But I like it.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I did have a wee look at the scheduling issue.

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Speaker 21: This is with the Australia Cup, the knockout competition. They

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Speaker 21: thought they were going to play in about three or

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Speaker 21: four weeks time. Now it's been broad ahead because some

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 21: amateur teams off on her knees up to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: What's how good? What's going on? I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt a boy's weekend to Las Vegas,

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01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: but Surely actually playing your football is more important, isn't it?

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Speaker 21: And particularly I think the fact that Football Australia feels

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Speaker 21: like a willing to go into bat for their you know,

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Speaker 21: Victorian amateur club as opposed to Auckland FC, who have

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Speaker 21: been a sort of fantastic introduction into the A League,

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 21: at least sort of from the outside looking in. Ye're

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Speaker 21: curious to say the least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elliott, what do you I mean?

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Speaker 19: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it playing favorites? Is that what's happened here?

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Speaker 4: It feels like it. Should you gone? Actually no, we've

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Speaker 4: got something books that weekend as well. We're going to

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Speaker 4: go to Topol, We're going to go to you know,

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 4: we've got something in the in the We're going to

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Speaker 4: lads trip of ourselves. So we want to play on

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Speaker 4: this state. They should have fut fort fire with fire,

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Speaker 4: I reckon and tried to get the date that they wanted.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. With Taupo Taupo Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, pick you pick.

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: Up room, you could step it up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Hey listen, Elliott, tell me something. Have you watched that

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: video of Alexander Usik dancing?

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Speaker 20: I have?

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Speaker 4: He doesn't look overly into does he here no, so.

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Speaker 2: Does he have a back injury that has forced him

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01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: to not be able to play to fight or what

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01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: what's going on?

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01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think he's trying to draw

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 4: this out and trigger the negotiations to an impass. And

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Speaker 4: because he doesn't want to fight Joseph Parker that his

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01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: camp made it relatively to you from the whispers they've

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Speaker 4: put out that year, while that's been mandated, there's no

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: interest from the Saudias and Parker fighting Usk the money.

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01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 4: He's just not there. So I think he's just biting

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: time and waiting for something to happen and trying to

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01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: avoid Parker because it's not an attractive enough fight. It's

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Speaker 4: not going to earn him the money that he wants.

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01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: So I think they're playing silly buggers. He's playing silly buggers.

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01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: And I feel sorry for Joseph Parker and all of

1345
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: this because it's his world title fight that's been mandated,

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01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: but it increasingly looks like once again and it's happened before,

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: that he's going to be potentially left out in the

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 4: cold because he's not the drawer card at the Saudi's

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Speaker 4: et cetera. Want from a business perspective.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, Nick, look, I've got a leg injury

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: that does you know? It excludes me from a marathon,

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: but it doesn't stop me, you know, walking.

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Speaker 21: So are you comparing a marathon to twelve rings for twelve?

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Speaker 2: I am comparing myself with Joseph Parker, and I am.

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Speaker 21: Oh, that's good stuff.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 21: I think Elliott sums out there it is unfortunate for

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Speaker 21: Joseph Parker, but these are the realities of the wheelings

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01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 21: and dealings of professional boxing, and you do hope for

1360
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 21: his sake he can get back there. Who knows. I mean,

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Speaker 21: Osak could relinquish this belt and maybe that's the best way.

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Speaker 21: Joseph Parker has a chance at fighting for it for

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 21: a vacated world belt, but it doesn't look great.

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Speaker 2: Guys, enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much. Appreciated Alliot

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Speaker 2: Smith and Nick Beuley on that. Do you know what,

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Speaker 2: I think that Nick might have struck it on the

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Speaker 2: fifty because Jody when she my mate, Jody who's the

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: boss of TV and zaid we're on first name basis. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's how a lot of this is going down. Jody

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Speaker 2: on her way out, she was like, how much would

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Speaker 2: you pay? And she was like, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: I'm breaking her confidence when she said and Mike said,

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: and we're talking about Mike Costking obviously first name basis.

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Speaker 2: Mike said, but what did he say, like one hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty nine or something, didn't they? And she was like,

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01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: but Mike's not really normal, like financially and we were like, na,

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Speaker 2: nah not. And I said, yeah, fifty bucks, I reckon,

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Speaker 2: and then and then Nick backed it up with the

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Speaker 2: fifty I reckon, the fifties. I reckon. They're not going

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Speaker 2: to She's done the research. I don't know why she's

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: bothering to poll normal people like me, But fifty If

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Speaker 2: Jody's listening, fifty fifty is where you want to hit it.

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Speaker 2: Sweet spot seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: my Ard Radio powered by News Talk zb.

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Speaker 2: Hey News just out. Neil Quigley has gone. This is

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Speaker 2: the Chair of the Reserve Bank. Neil Quigley has just

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Speaker 2: tended his resignation today. We know this because Nichola Willis

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01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: has put out a press statement saying departing Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: chair thanked mister Quigley today tended his resignation from the

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Speaker 2: board and as board chair with immediate effect. He's decided

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Speaker 2: that having overseen a number of keywork streams for the bank,

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Speaker 2: now is the appro ha appropriate time for him to

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01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: hand over as a new chair. That's not why he

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01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: quit whatever. Look, we have to get used to the

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01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: fact that out of the Reserve Bank we get all

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Speaker 2: kinds of reasons for why people have quit. That's not

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01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: why he quit. Why he quit is because it was

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Speaker 2: completely unsustainable for Neil Quigley to stay in the role

1400
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: when he has been busted telling a polkey now so

1401
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: many times that you cannot trust a thing that comes

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: out of his mouth. What's happened and what's happened this

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: week has actually been not It hasn't received the attention

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: that it should have because it was significant what happened

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: this week. What happened this week that we found out

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: why Adrian or Rarely left the bank. Remember how Neil

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: told us with the personal decision wasn't a personal decision

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01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: at all. What we found out because Jane Tibshraney's been

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01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: doing all the work on this, and so is Michael

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: Radallen Well done to the pair of them. What actually

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: happened was that Adrian Orr had a meeting with Treasury,

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: then he had a meeting with nikola Willis. Then three

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01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: days after the meeting with Nikolai Willis, he gets a

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: letter from Neil quickly saying, hey, mate, listen. The tenor

1415
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: of the dialogue in those meetings was not cool. So

1416
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: we're sending you a list of a whole bunch of

1417
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: things we're worried about. At that point, Adrian Or steps out.

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: We didn't know this until this week. He steps down

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01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: as the Reserve Bank governor and leaves the office. That's Thursday,

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: don't come back Friday, don't come back Monday, don't come

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: back Tuesday. And on Wednesday he quits. That's why he quit,

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01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: and then the letter gets withdrawn. He quit because of

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01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: what happened in those meetings, and he got a letter

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Speaker 2: from Neil, So the problem is for Neil. Then when

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: Neil comes out and says to us he quits for

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: personal decisions, Well he didn't, did he. So anyway, the

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01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 2: problem now is Neil Quigley. You can't trust him. You've

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01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: got to because he can't trust what he says based

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: on this you've got to question his judgment. So now

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01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: he's going to taint the new guy coming in or

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: new lady or whoever they packed because we can't we

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: can't trust his judgment. Blah blah blah. Anyway, he's gone.

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis's with us after six o'clock, which is coming

1434
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: up shortly. I got a text from Wayne Apropos the

1435
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: trade deals in the climate agreement. We're going to get

1436
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 2: to that. And Cardi b has been in court. This is,

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: according to Sam the producer, the best court case in

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01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: the history of all court cases. I'm gonna run you

1439
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Speaker 2: through that shortly.

1440
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Speaker 1: Lay keeping track of where the money is flowing.

1441
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Speaker 3: The business hour.

1442
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Speaker 1: We've hit the dutlesyl and for trusted Home insurance solutions.

1443
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Speaker 3: News talks that'd be.

1444
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. The port of

1445
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: Toadunger read the fight with the Ear and the results

1446
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: out today. They're with us after six point thirty now

1447
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: Barry's overall wrap the political week there was, and Gavin

1448
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 2: Gray will do the UK It's coming up eight past six.

1449
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: In news just out, the chair of the Reserve Bank

1450
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: has quit after months of pressure over the handling of

1451
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Speaker 2: the ex Governor Adrianaw's resignation the government this evening announced

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Speaker 2: Neil Quigley has resigned with the mediate effect. The Finance Minister,

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis is with us now, Hi, Nicola.

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Speaker 23: Good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Why did he quit?

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 23: He tended his resignation to me today and he noted that,

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 23: having completed a number of keywork streams for the Bank,

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01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,479
Speaker 23: including the search for a new governor, that he felt

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Speaker 23: it was an appropriate time to hand over to a

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Speaker 23: new chair.

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Speaker 2: Did you ask him to quit?

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Speaker 23: No, but I had discussed with him ongoing criticism of

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Speaker 23: the Bank Board's handling of information relating to the exit

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Speaker 23: of the former governor. I had expressed to him my

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 23: concern that the bank's reputation was being impacted, and he

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Speaker 23: had agreed with me that that was a serious matter.

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Speaker 2: And when had you expressed this to him.

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Speaker 23: Most recently this afternoon?

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Speaker 2: What time.

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Speaker 23: I would have to check to give you an accurate

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Speaker 23: accurate time.

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Speaker 2: Would it be?

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 23: What the four three o'clock or after three around that time?

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Speaker 2: And what time did he quit?

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Speaker 23: I received his resignation at four fifty five today, So.

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Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure

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01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: out it's your conversation that sparked him to resign.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 23: Look, I've had a couple of conversations with him today,

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 23: but of course I've previously had conversations with him about

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01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 23: this matter. I've stated publicly that I have not been

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 23: satisfied with the way that the Reserve Bank had handled

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Speaker 23: Official Information Act requests relating to the exit of the

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Speaker 23: former governor.

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Speaker 2: Did you give him an ultimatum?

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Speaker 23: I wouldn't put it that way. I had expressed to

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01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 23: him clearly my views, and he had also expressed to

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 23: me that, with the government's decision to establish a new

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 23: medical schoolt the Universe City of Wykato, that he did

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 23: want to be able to focus his efforts on work

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 23: for the university. And we've also together been in the

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 23: process of appointing a new governor, a process that we

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 23: both think is very important and that we didn't want

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 23: to see jepardized in any way. That process is well progressed,

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Speaker 23: and I have full confidence that that process will be

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Speaker 23: completed in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: If he hadn't resigned today, would you have withdrawn your confidence?

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Speaker 23: If mister Quigley had not offered his resignation, I would

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Speaker 23: have asked him for it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, why well?

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Speaker 23: As I've previously expressed, the Bank's handling of information requests

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Speaker 23: relating to the exit of the former governor did not

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01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 23: meet my expectations of transparency and of public accountability. I

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,480
Speaker 23: had the opportunity late last night to review the Ombudsman's

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Speaker 23: ruling on this matter, the information that was subsequently released

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Speaker 23: by the Bank, and the Bank's press release relating to

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Speaker 23: those matters, and it did not meet my expectations for

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 23: how that matter should have been handled.

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Speaker 2: Did you not know? Did you know or did you

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Speaker 2: not know that Adrian Orr had been sent a letter,

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Speaker 2: had stepped down from his role and Christian Hawksby had

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Speaker 2: taken over, and that he had left the office for

1514
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: five days?

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01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 23: Did you know that I had been informed that letter

1516
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 23: of concern had been shared with Adrian Orr and that

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 23: employment discussions were occurring. I had never seen that letter heither,

1518
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 23: and it was my view that at the point the

1519
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 23: Board had commenced those sorts of employment discussions with Adrian Or,

1520
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 23: it was really important to preserve the independence and the

1521
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 23: reputation of the Bank by not involving myself as a

1522
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 23: minister in the board's deliberations. On that employment matter. So

1523
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 23: I intentionally distanced my self from that process, putting my

1524
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 23: faith and trust in the board to communicate effectively what

1525
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 23: had happened when that time came. And as I've expressed,

1526
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 23: I'm not happy with the way that that was ultimately

1527
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 23: done with.

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions now

1529
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: so I can just get to the heart of something. Right, So,

1530
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: did you know that he'd stepped down and that Christian

1531
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 2: had taken over, and that he was out of the

1532
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: office for five days before he quit?

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01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 6: Yes?

1534
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: Okay, then did if you knew that, then you must

1535
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: have known when Neil stood up on the day that

1536
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: he quit and said it was it was a personal decision.

1537
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: You must have known Neil was wrong.

1538
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 23: Well, ultimately, the decision for the Reserve Bank Governor to

1539
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 23: resign was his decision, and that was his personal MESSI

1540
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 23: so idy.

1541
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: That's so shady, though, isn't it? Because the truth is

1542
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: he resigned because he got a letter and he was

1543
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: basically in an employment situation.

1544
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 23: Well, what I've been really conscious of is that where

1545
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 23: there are legal issues related to employment matters, and where

1546
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 23: there are exit agreements in place between an employer and

1547
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 23: an exiting employee, as was the case in this matter,

1548
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 23: that anything that is said, any speculation, any inference, needs

1549
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 23: to be handled very carefully. And I thought, given I

1550
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 23: had not seen that letter, given I did not know

1551
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 23: and still have not seen that letter, had not seen

1552
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 23: the contents of it, for me to speculate about what

1553
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 23: had happened in any ensuing conversations that had occurred between

1554
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 23: the Reserve Bank Governor and the board, that it would

1555
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,919
Speaker 23: be potentially jeopardizing the taxpayer for me to put myself

1556
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 23: in the middle of it.

1557
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: But were you bound by the NBA.

1558
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 21: No, I was not.

1559
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: So you're on our side. We've elected you right as

1560
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: a country, even if we didn't vote for you, guys,

1561
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: you're on our side, and so you should be standing

1562
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: there going hey, Neil's not telling you the truth. This

1563
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 2: isn't the truth. You should have been here collection.

1564
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 23: I am on your side, and that is why I had,

1565
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 23: on several occasions reiterated my view that the bank should

1566
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 23: seek to be as accountable, as transparent, as open as

1567
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 23: possible about this matter. Was why, which was why when

1568
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 23: the ombardsman made their ruling, Because the view that the

1569
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 23: bank had maintained throughout when my office, when the Treasury

1570
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 23: had engaged with them to suggest that the way they

1571
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 23: were responding to Official Information Act requests was inadequate, the

1572
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 23: Bank engaged their own legal advice and stress to us

1573
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 23: that what they were doing was what was required of

1574
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 23: them due to the employment arrangements in place now. Ultimately,

1575
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 23: ultimately the Ombardsman has viewed that the public interest in

1576
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 23: the matter was such that they should have waived that concern.

1577
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 23: And it's my view that the way this matter has

1578
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 23: been handled has not been of the standard I would expect,

1579
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 23: has become a distraction and has ultimately had a negative

1580
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 23: reputational effect for them.

1581
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 8: Bank.

1582
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know what I think I asked you.

1583
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: I have asked you on a number of occasions what

1584
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: happened there, and I think you should have been upfront

1585
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: about it as well. And I think I think cutting

1586
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: Neil quickly at this stage saves your bacon bill only

1587
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: just day. But can you now be clear with us

1588
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: just on one thing. Adrian Or did not quit for

1589
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: personal reasons. He quit because of the tenor of the

1590
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: dialogue in those meetings, which led to him stepping down,

1591
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: Christian taking over him leading the office, leaving the office

1592
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: for five days and receiving a letter about his behavior.

1593
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: That is why he quit.

1594
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 18: Well.

1595
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 23: The timeline of events at the Reserve Bank, released this

1596
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 23: week at the request of the Offerson, makes clear that

1597
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 23: employment conversations between the Reserve Bank Board and Adrian Orr

1598
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 23: were precipitated in part by a letter from the Board

1599
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 23: to Adrian Or raising a number of concerns. All right, listen,

1600
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 23: but I have not seen that letter.

1601
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: Yep.

1602
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 23: I do not know the full contents of that letter.

1603
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 23: I do not also know what response Adrian Orr, either

1604
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 23: personally or via his lawyers, gave to it. And I'm

1605
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 23: very conscious not to defame anyone and to be careful

1606
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 23: about how I characterized that letter when I have not

1607
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 23: seen it.

1608
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Nicola, and thank you for being so

1609
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 2: frank with us. This seasnoning. Nicola Willis, Finance Minister. Sixteen

1610
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: past six.

1611
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1612
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by news dog Zebbie.

1613
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 17: Right.

1614
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 2: Just remember, I'm going to get to Cardi B's situation

1615
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: shortly her court case. It's coming up. Nineteen past six.

1616
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 2: Brad Olson, Infametrics Principal Economists was just listening to my

1617
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: chat with Nikola and has popped onto the show for us. Hi, Brad,

1618
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: Good evening. It was the stuff that happened this week. Ay,

1619
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: it was that on Woodsman's report that put the nail

1620
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: in the coffin.

1621
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 22: I think that was certainly the end of it, but

1622
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 22: it certainly wasn't the start of the process. The trust

1623
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 22: and confidence in the Reserve Bank boards comments since the

1624
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 22: governor's resignation. Clearly anyone who was listening at the time

1625
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 22: and then reading what's happened since then has known that,

1626
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 22: you know, this wasn't just what we were told to

1627
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 22: start with. We were fed one story. The actual real

1628
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 22: story has now you just can't have that trust and

1629
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 22: credibility in the Reserve Bank board chair after all of that,

1630
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 22: and I think the Finance Minister has made it very

1631
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 22: clear that she didn't have confidence anymore, and so he

1632
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 22: either had to resign or he was going to get fired,

1633
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 22: and he took the much more appropriate position and left.

1634
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was this is a crucial juncture, though, isn't it, Brad,

1635
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: Because the problem is had they appointed the new governor

1636
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: under this chair, it is very likely that that governor

1637
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: might have been tainted by Neil quickly well.

1638
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 22: And if not tainted in reality, certainly the perception and

1639
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 22: the risk around the messaging would have been compromised. And

1640
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 22: so I think the opportunity that the Reserve Bank has

1641
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 22: now both with the new incoming governor at some point

1642
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 22: and within now need to appoint a new board chair,

1643
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 22: you do have really a clean reset for the bank

1644
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 22: in terms of that relationship and the trust and credibility

1645
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 22: with the public. You can't have the New Zealanders who

1646
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 22: are paying an extreme amount of money to the Reserve

1647
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 22: Bank to do an incredibly important but unelected role with

1648
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 22: a lot of money on the line, and then give

1649
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 22: them one story and drip feed out the real story

1650
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 22: via a waas the next couple of months. That doesn't

1651
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 22: breed the level of I guess credibility that you need

1652
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 22: to have. So this did become, I think, just a

1653
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 22: continual death by a thousand cuts for the Reserve Bank.

1654
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 22: People were clearly worried. Every conversation I had with people

1655
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 22: in the business world went what's going on with the

1656
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 22: Reserve Bank? Why are we hearing one story and then

1657
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 22: getting the real stuff a couple of weeks later. That's

1658
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 22: not helpful for trust, confidence restored now con starting to

1659
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 22: get restored. I mean, look, I think the fact that

1660
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 22: the Finance Minister has taken such decisive action this week,

1661
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 22: she's clearly not standing for it. She'll now have the

1662
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 22: ability to appoint a new chair going forward. That plus

1663
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 22: the incoming governor, that really does give an ability for

1664
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 22: the Reserve Bank to reset at a governance level. Most

1665
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 22: importantly the work of the Monetary Policy Committee and other

1666
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 22: parts of the bank around setting interest rates, maintaining that

1667
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 22: operational independence that remains that hasn't changed. But I think

1668
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 22: all of these word sideways distractions that meant that we

1669
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 22: weren't looking at the really important figures as much we

1670
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 22: were trying to figure out what story was going on.

1671
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 22: So this is an important sort of I guess closing

1672
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 22: of the book and an ability to refocus.

1673
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Brad really appreciate it. Thank you so much,

1674
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: Brad Olson. INFA Metrics principal economists hither, I'm hanging around

1675
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: to hear what's happening at Port of Totong. You're just

1676
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 2: gonna just a little bit longer, fifteen more minutes because

1677
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: we had to bump them because of the Neil quigly

1678
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: situation that's just happened. A oh that doesn't How good

1679
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: is it to just put COVID behind us like that's

1680
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: it now, isn't it. That's it. We got rid of

1681
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: the government that did the COVID and now we've got

1682
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 2: rid of the governor that did the COVID and the

1683
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: chair and we can we can draw line under it.

1684
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 6: Move on.

1685
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: Now we are officially post COVID six twenty two, croating

1686
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: the numbers.

1687
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 3: And getting the results.

1688
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: It's hither du for Sea Allen with the business hour

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1690
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Speaker 2: That'd be hither you've forgotten about Chris Sipkins. That's true,

1691
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: That is true. I mean when we get rid of

1692
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: Chippy out of labor, which I think is I'd put

1693
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: some money on that ahead of the next. But when

1694
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: we get rid of Chippy, then we can say we're

1695
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 2: officially post COVID. Here that there's a good interview. Good

1696
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: on Nichola for fronting Ccinda would never have done that

1697
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: with all the word salad and stuff, which is a

1698
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: fair point. Heitherwile Nichola is a fantastic politician, I wish

1699
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: the rest of them had her pedigree and passion. She

1700
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: handled herself extremely well under a complete bombardment from Heather

1701
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: It's but harsh six twenty five.

1702
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 23: Heather do for c Ellen Shoba's News Creek seven days

1703
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 23: a week.

1704
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 3: This is Cardi B.

1705
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: She is either but she is featuring in the court

1706
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: case of the century. At the moment, you probably not

1707
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: even heard about it because we don't do this kind

1708
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 2: of stuff properly, so we're going to give it a

1709
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: proper go here. Cardi B is the rapper who likes

1710
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: to talk about no her bits. I can't say what

1711
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: Sam's Sam does this for me Sam, because he knows

1712
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: all about this. I can't say what he wrote that,

1713
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: but her bits, she likes to talk about it. Her

1714
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: was it called no no not allowed to say that

1715
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: word anyway. So she's been sued for allegedly beating up

1716
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 2: her security guard. Security guard while she was pregnant, like

1717
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 2: Cardi B was pregnant, and she beat up the security guard.

1718
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: She's been on the stand Cardi B for the past

1719
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: three days and she's given us some absolute gems.

1720
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 19: You said she's bigger than you.

1721
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: Is that her?

1722
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 14: Absolutely?

1723
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 6: I mean, did you call her fat.

1724
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 5: No, I was calling her a beach.

1725
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 2: Didn't call her fat, called her something else. And this

1726
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 2: as well, And why were.

1727
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 5: You concerned because I'm pregnant and there's girls about to

1728
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 5: beat my ass.

1729
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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm here.

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01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: And then also she gave us this.

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Speaker 12: Yesterday you had.

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01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 24: Black hair, short hair, today's blonde and long blue?

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01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 20: Which one is your real hair for?

1734
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 7: They're wigs.

1735
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 6: Sorry, I didn't know that.

1736
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Now you might not know from that they are. The

1737
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: kids are loving this. They're just feasting on this, on

1738
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: the tiktoks and stuff. You might not be able to

1739
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 2: tell from her deposition. Hello, but actually this is a

1740
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: really serious case for Cardi B. If she loses, she's

1741
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: going to have to pay her former security guard twenty

1742
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: four million dollars in damages.

1743
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: Sam didn't do that.

1744
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: Didn't do this justice. My favorite, my favorite quote from

1745
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: her was when she was asked whether she was disabled,

1746
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 2: and she was like, I was pregnant. I was basically disabled.

1747
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: And there's nothing that's been said that's truer than that statement,

1748
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: because all of a sudden, when you're pregnant, there's a

1749
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 2: lot of things you can't do anymore, like dry your

1750
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: toes and that's basically being disabled, isn't it? So anyway,

1751
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: Portatotong is with us. Next news is coming up.

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01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 23: Yeah said when an amount when flat.

1753
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

1754
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Dupleicy Ellen

1755
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: and has for trusted home insurance solutions use talk.

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01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: Kevin Gray is going to be with us in ten

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01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: minutes time. Also, Bob Catter, We're gonna have to talk

1758
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: about Bob Catter. Can I just say something really quickly

1759
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: just about Adrian Or, just a clarification that I have

1760
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: to make what happened. The information that was released this

1761
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: week by the Reserve Bank specifically states that on the

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: day that Adrian Or, that two days before Adrian Or quit,

1763
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: he rejected the assertions and the letter that was sent

1764
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 2: to him, remember that letter that was sent by Neil

1765
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 2: Quickly he rejected that, he accepted that he considered there

1766
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: was a lack of trust between the parties. The exit

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: agreement that was then reached between Adrian Or and the

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01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank included Adrian Or agreeing to resign, but the

1769
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,919
Speaker 2: board withdrawing the letter twenty.

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 3: Four away from seven, Heather duel.

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01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: Now good news has come through for the Purse of Totunger.

1772
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: The company has reported an underlying group net profit after

1773
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: tacks of one hundred and twenty six million dollars, which

1774
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: is an increase of twenty three percent on the previous year.

1775
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: And the good news would have been welcomed because, as

1776
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 2: we've been discussing this week, the port's fast track application

1777
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: to extend the Wolves has been stopped by the courts.

1778
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,879
Speaker 2: Lenard Sampson is the Port of toting a chief executive

1779
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: high Leanard, Hi, Heather. Listen, before I get to the results,

1780
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: I want to deal with this extension issue first. How

1781
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: frustrated are you by this?

1782
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 8: Look?

1783
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 24: We're enormously frustrated. It's been a very long and arduous

1784
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 24: process over the past six years.

1785
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: So what actually happened here is that the case that

1786
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: your application was you thought talking about the thing, but

1787
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 2: you were not by by referring to stellar passage, but

1788
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: you were not specific enough in referring to both of

1789
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: the wharves. Is that right?

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01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,440
Speaker 24: I know we were absolutely specific and clear in our application.

1791
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 24: It has always been clear that it included both the

1792
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 24: Sulfur Point Wolves and the Mount Mongonery wolves. It was

1793
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 24: even clear in the initial first mention of the schedule

1794
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 24: in October twenty twenty four, but somehow in the final

1795
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 24: drafting when the legislation was released in the Schedule two,

1796
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 24: the Mount Monginery warves was left out.

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01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh so we'd only refer to the sulfur point warves. Yes,

1798
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: so in that case, is it fair? What has happened?

1799
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 24: I look from a it's a legal process, and obviously

1800
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 24: it's it's that that's the decision that the High Court

1801
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 24: judge is made in this case.

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01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 23: I think.

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01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 24: I think as the judge that rightly points out it

1804
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 24: may have well been a drafting mistake in the legislative process,

1805
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 24: but I guess it is what it is, and we

1806
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 24: are where we are at the moment. But it is

1807
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 24: extremely frustrating, and look, simply from a port of total perspective,

1808
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 24: I'm not too sure what more we could have done.

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01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 24: We were very clear with the description when we submitted

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Speaker 24: the application and it's always been there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what needs to happen to get this sorted?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,919
Speaker 24: Look, I think we're having really good engagement with officials

1814
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 24: at the moment from m F and and we're certainly

1815
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 24: hopeful that that there will be a process where this

1816
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 24: can this mistake can be rectified and amended. Well, look,

1817
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 24: that'll be a decision for officials and for government to make.

1818
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 24: There is talk of fast track amendments being made over

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01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 24: the coming months, whether it's picked up in that respect

1820
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 24: or whether it's picked up sooner. We would certainly like

1821
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 24: it to happen as soon as Are you.

1822
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: Trying to avoid having to start this process all over

1823
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 2: again and start the clock again?

1824
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1825
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 24: Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's been As I say, we're

1826
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 24: in an extremely difficult position in tot On where we

1827
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 24: are unfortunately having to turn away container services that is

1828
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 24: costing New Zealand's importers and exporters and ultimately New Zealanders

1829
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 24: as a result of freight ocean freight savings that could

1830
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 24: have been passed on to New Zealand consumers.

1831
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much business are you turning away because of this?

1832
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 24: Look, just in the last couple of months, we've had

1833
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 24: three services that would have liked to have called tod

1834
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 24: On and we haven't been able to accommodate any of them.

1835
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 24: We simply cannot put any new vessels onto our birth

1836
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 24: given that we're constraints.

1837
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: Now what is the Ewie's actual problem here is that

1838
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: one of the wolves, a Mount Mongonui wolf gets if

1839
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 2: you extended, gets too close to the local mdaia. Is

1840
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: it the problem?

1841
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 24: Oh, look, there's a range of issues, and I mean

1842
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 24: it's not It's not one ewis. There's multiple parties that

1843
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 24: are involved in terms of some of the challenges around

1844
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 24: cultural mitigation. But you know, from our perspective, Look, it's

1845
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 24: something that has been contemplated and in the original port

1846
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 24: plans for over thirty years. So look, we'd certainly like

1847
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 24: to manage those mitigations to the best of we can,

1848
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 24: but ultimately we haven't been able to reach agreement.

1849
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 2: Look, let's say that you are able to get fast tracked.

1850
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: I realized that this was supposed to happen next week.

1851
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: But if you were able to get fast tracked soon,

1852
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: how quickly can you get this stuff up and built

1853
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: and done.

1854
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 24: If we were able to get a consent as soon

1855
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 24: as possible, it's still eighteen months to two year construction

1856
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 24: period before we actually have the birth built.

1857
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's quite a long way. Now as to

1858
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: your actual results, which is what we should we should

1859
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: really be talking about, how did you manage such a

1860
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: such an awesome end result.

1861
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 3: Oh, look, it's it's been.

1862
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 24: It's been a great year in terms of trade for US,

1863
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 24: and really strong performance particularly from the agrisector and our

1864
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 24: agricultural primary sector.

1865
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 2: Imports kee We fruit and coal basically.

1866
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 24: Yeah, sorry I said imports. I meant primary sector exports. Yeah, yeah,

1867
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 24: Kiwi fruit dairy meat experts are really strong from an

1868
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 24: import perspective. We certainly have helped in terms of some

1869
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 24: of the energy challenges with import coal.

1870
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 2: And what do you think what does the next financial

1871
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 2: year look.

1872
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 6: Like to you?

1873
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 24: Look, I think we're cautiously optimistic for the for the

1874
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 24: next financial year. We've got pretty resilient exports in the

1875
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 24: current market at the moment, and there certainly certainly strong

1876
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 24: commodity prices in that respect. And look, we we're we're

1877
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 24: hoping that we'll see some improvement in the domestic economy

1878
01:27:59,520 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 24: as well.

1879
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Leonard here is hoping. Thank you very much for

1880
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 2: the time. Appreciated that it's Leonard Sampson port of toting

1881
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: a chief executive eighteen away from.

1882
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: Seven heither due, Ellen, I think you have to hear.

1883
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 2: The full rant from Bob Catter to appreciate just what

1884
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: an unhinged little episode.

1885
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 3: This was.

1886
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: Well, if you've got Lebanese heritage yourself, Oh, Mike, don't

1887
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: say that because that irritates me, and I punch blokes

1888
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: in the mouth for saying that.

1889
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 6: Don't you dare say that?

1890
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 8: My family have been in this country for one hundred

1891
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 8: and forty years, right, so you and if you say

1892
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 8: anything like that, I have, on many occasions punch blokes

1893
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 8: in the mouth. Right, So I'm restraining myself today. Don't

1894
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 8: say it.

1895
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 6: But I'm not listening to you.

1896
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 19: You're out.

1897
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 3: I'm really confused here.

1898
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 16: What was wrong?

1899
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 19: Without taking the.

1900
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 8: Time, I don't I'm not dealing with the subject. I'm

1901
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 8: an Australian, my family have been in since the dawn

1902
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 8: of time.

1903
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 6: That's the end of it.

1904
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 8: Huh.

1905
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: Now what irritated Bob was that he had called a

1906
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: press conference to talk about migrants that he doesn't like

1907
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: because they don't integrate into society, and that reporter had

1908
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: basically reminded him that his family were Lebanese migrants.

1909
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 3: Wants to.

1910
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Now what happens is that he calms down. Okay, so

1911
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: he gets on with the press conference and he does

1912
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: calm down.

1913
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 8: Ninety two percent of the people coming to Australia go

1914
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 8: to Sydney.

1915
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 6: And Norburne as that for the last twelve years.

1916
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,799
Speaker 8: And do you see them mixing with other Australians, dressing

1917
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 8: like other Australians, being friendly with other Australians, being in

1918
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 8: the local Lions club.

1919
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Do you see that?

1920
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 8: So you don't want to become Australians. Well, we don't

1921
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 8: want to become Australians and we want you to get

1922
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 8: the hell out of this country.

1923
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: But then what happens is the press conference goes on.

1924
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: For Bob's blood still up, and the press conference goes on.

1925
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 2: There's a group of them doing the press conference. Someone

1926
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: else takes the mic. Bob steps back, he's standing, there's

1927
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: like three of them in front of him. Someone's but

1928
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:02,560
Speaker 2: then something nick minute and I don't know what it

1929
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: is that sparks him off, But next minute he's just

1930
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 2: angry again. He's sort of shouting from the back of

1931
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: the pack and he pushes his way forward and he's

1932
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: having to go at the microphone again. Now when you

1933
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 2: listen to it, can I just point out to you

1934
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: that sometimes my three year old talks like this and

1935
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: he goes man, I don't say that, And that's what

1936
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 2: Bob sounds like.

1937
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 6: No, no, I don't say that, just just I don't

1938
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 6: say that.

1939
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 8: I'm sure that don't say is pushing forward because you're

1940
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,560
Speaker 8: a racist. You're a racist if you cannot say what

1941
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 8: you've just said without being identified as a racist. Some gentleman, ladies,

1942
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 8: this man is a racius to you.

1943
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh it was good, Like You've actually got to go

1944
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 2: look at the video because at one point he's I'm

1945
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 2: not condoning his behavior. I'm I'm just narrating it for you.

1946
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: He gets up there with his fist in the face

1947
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Speaker 2: of the journal and do you know what that journal

1948
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Speaker 2: stands there? He just doesn't move a because at that point,

1949
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Speaker 2: I reckon, what's going through his little journo brain is

1950
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Speaker 2: if Bob Katta clocks me right now, be a bloody

1951
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Speaker 2: great yarn and I'm going to be an Australian legiond

1952
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately Bob, because that would be that one hundred

1953
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Speaker 2: percent be what's going through I would have been like, oh,

1954
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Speaker 2: take this knock for a story. I reckon, this would

1955
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Speaker 2: be a great yarn. Later on, this is going to

1956
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Speaker 2: get me beers for least ten years from people. You

1957
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I would have made that calculation,

1958
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Speaker 2: which I think is But anyway, as I say, Bob

1959
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Speaker 2: does sound like my three year old I get. I

1960
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Speaker 2: get Mama, don't say that, and I also get a

1961
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Speaker 2: lot of Mama don't sang, which I think is in

1962
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Speaker 2: the vein of Bob. Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Hither Duplicy Ellen and Mes for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News.

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Speaker 21: Talks be.

1966
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Speaker 2: Boy Math, remember girl math. We've got the boy Math.

1967
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about that shortly twelve away

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Speaker 2: from seven with US now as Gavn Gray, UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Hello Gavin, Hi, So we're going to get a decision

1970
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Speaker 2: today on whether the court was right about the asylum hotel.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, expecting that in about six hours time. And

1972
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Speaker 25: this is going to be really really crucial for the

1973
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Speaker 25: government and for how asylum seekers are treated here in

1974
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 25: the UK now at the moment while they are awaiting

1975
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 25: a decision on their asylum application. Some in fact, more

1976
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 25: than thirty thousand are currently being put up in hotels

1977
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Speaker 25: at taxpayers expense. I don't mean rubbishy old hotels. I

1978
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 25: mean some quite nice hotels as well. It is done

1979
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Speaker 25: at the cost daily cost of millions of pounds and

1980
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Speaker 25: plenty of people in this thing country. I think that

1981
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 25: is so wrong. So in Epping to the east of London,

1982
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 25: there has been a series of protests outside one of

1983
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Speaker 25: these hotels because a fourteen year old girl claims she

1984
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Speaker 25: was sexually assaulted by an Ethiopian man living at that

1985
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Speaker 25: hotel as an asylum seeker and he'd only just arrived

1986
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Speaker 25: in the country, and the protests got well pretty heated.

1987
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Speaker 25: There wasn't a lot of violence, but it was pretty

1988
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Speaker 25: fraught at times, and the local council managed to win

1989
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Speaker 25: in court an injunction saying it's got to be shut

1990
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Speaker 25: down to asylum seekers because it was against planning regulations

1991
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Speaker 25: and also could cause violence outside. They won, but the

1992
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Speaker 25: government has gone to appeal saying, well, hang on a minute,

1993
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Speaker 25: we are currently using couple of hundred hotels like this.

1994
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Speaker 25: If we have to turf them all out all asylum

1995
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Speaker 25: seekers have to leave the hotels, then this is going

1996
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Speaker 25: to put our policies into massive problems. And so that

1997
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Speaker 25: is what the Court of Appeal are going to decide

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Speaker 25: on today. And I have to say there are lots

1999
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Speaker 25: of people waiting with bated breath to see what that

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Speaker 25: judgment will be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. So now that strike on the

2002
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Speaker 2: eu'sed delegation, the EU's delegation officer in Kiev, was that

2003
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Speaker 2: done deliberately or was that an accident?

2004
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Speaker 25: Yeah, we don't know. Actually, there are places around that

2005
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 25: particular development in Kiev which were being targeted, so it's

2006
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 25: possible that it might have been a drone that had

2007
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 25: gone wrong in an attack. Equally, of course, the EU

2008
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 25: and the UK been absolutely on the nail when it

2009
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 25: comes to imposing some pretty tough sanctions, So the idea

2010
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 25: that both offices were hit and hit badly is still

2011
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 25: up for grabs as to why that was and was

2012
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 25: it a mistake. Either way, both sides are just saying

2013
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 25: this is just now a sham the idea that Russia

2014
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 25: wants peace, that this is mocking the peace efforts that

2015
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 25: have been put there. Interestingly, absolutely no word that I've

2016
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 25: seen from a one mister Donald J. Trump about this

2017
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Speaker 25: attack and his response to it, but certainly the Russian

2018
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 25: Ambassador to the UK in London, Andre Kellen. He's been

2019
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 25: summoned into the Foreign Office, at which I dare say

2020
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,719
Speaker 25: there was a bit of addressing down as best they could,

2021
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 25: and indeed a charged affair in Brussels summoned in response

2022
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 25: to talk to EU officials as well. So yeah, I

2023
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 25: think this is going to be something that the EU

2024
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 25: and the UK are going to use now to a

2025
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 25: nineteenth round of sanctions against Russia.

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Speaker 3: The question is is any of it working? Do they care?

2027
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Speaker 21: Kevin?

2028
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Speaker 2: Are you going to go for any of these Guinness

2029
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: World Records?

2030
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 25: Well, Heather, I'll go halves with you or some of these,

2031
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 25: I think now, So what have we got? Well, it

2032
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Speaker 25: is the seventieth anniversary of the Guinness World Record titles.

2033
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Speaker 25: It was begun on the twenty seventh of August nineteen

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Speaker 25: fifty five. So this week Everest decided that it would

2035
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 25: launch a couple of ideas for people who might still

2036
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,520
Speaker 25: want to get into the record books. They are recommending

2037
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 25: the most whoopy cushions sat on in one minute, the

2038
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Speaker 25: fastest time to blow a stamp ten meters, the most

2039
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 25: high fives in thirty seconds. That sounds relatively painless that

2040
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 25: you and I could do, Heather. The fastest four hundred

2041
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 25: meters sackrace. I like that, but in another one that

2042
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 25: is for the more adventurous. The fastest time to ascend

2043
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 25: the height of Everest by bicycle. Now I don't think

2044
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 25: I mean going up Everest in a bicycle. I think

2045
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 25: it's the height of Everest Anyway. These things are all

2046
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 25: ones you can try. But in our midst we already

2047
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 25: have a Guinness World record holder amongst your team. No

2048
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:04,839
Speaker 25: doubt she will reveal herself shortly.

2049
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, what was it for again? I did know this?

2050
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: Can you remember, Gavin?

2051
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 25: It's yes, it is for singing we're all in a

2052
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 25: yellow submarine while in a swimming pool.

2053
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Speaker 3: I think so weird.

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Speaker 2: I mean I recalled that you all wish we held.

2055
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Gavin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Beatty

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Speaker 2: Did you do it by yourself? Will you with others?

2057
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Speaker 20: Oh?

2058
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 2: The largest in water choir? Did you do this in

2059
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: Germany or in New Zealand? Thank god she did it

2060
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 2: in Germany. Don't worry. We don't have to be embarrassed

2061
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Speaker 2: by it. Seven away from seven it's the heather too for.

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Speaker 1: See Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: It's five away from seven. I've got to tell you

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Speaker 2: really quick. Oh no, okay, First things first, boy math.

2066
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Speaker 2: You've got to know what boy math is. Boy math,

2067
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 2: because you know, girl math is whatever, it's rubbish, but

2068
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 2: boy math definitely exists. Boy math is. This has come

2069
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: up on the internet today is when you don't pay

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01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 2: someone two hundred dollars to do something because instead what

2071
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: you do is you pay five hundred dollars for the

2072
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 2: new tools so that you can do it yourself, and

2073
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: then you take an extra six weeks to do it.

2074
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: That's boy math, am I right? Yes, we've all been there.

2075
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Speaker 2: That's boy math. Okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Though.

2077
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 2: There is a family in Dunedin who own the sex shop,

2078
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: you know, the sex the longest running sex shop in

2079
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Dunedian cupids right, and they're going to close it down

2080
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 2: because they've had a baby about a year ago. And

2081
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we can all see babies and

2082
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: sex shops. It's like suddenly you don't like, how are

2083
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: you going to raise it? What do you can mummy?

2084
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 2: What do you what do we sell sex toys? You

2085
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 2: don't want that conversation? What's that? No, don't touch it,

2086
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 2: don't touch it? You know you don't want that. You

2087
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 2: don't want that, so it's better to shut the shop

2088
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 2: down face the kids dealing with them anyway. Interesting thing

2089
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 2: that they've told the Herald when they were talking about

2090
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: it today. DVD still make up about fifty percent of

2091
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 2: their revenue to this day, the DVDs in the Six Shops.

2092
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 2: Gangbusters at Delture by Jesse McCartney.

2093
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Speaker 26: You don't like, Oh no, no, my mom listens to

2094
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 26: a show here that I'm not checking up on that

2095
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 26: one Dulture by Jesse McCartney to play us out tonight.

2096
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 26: You remember Jesse McCartney. He was a bit of a

2097
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 26: teen heart throb singer back in the noughties, and unbeknownst

2098
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 26: to me until I look this up just before, he's

2099
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 26: been making music ever since then.

2100
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 4: He's released like four.

2101
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 26: Albums and he's got a new song out today and

2102
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 26: it's called Doulchi. So we'll see whether or not he's

2103
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 26: still got the pipes that he had back in the naughties.

2104
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 21: Know what.

2105
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 2: So back in the naughties he sang beautiful soul because

2106
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 2: you live? How do you sleep? Body language? Levin, I

2107
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: don't know any of those songs. Do you know of

2108
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 2: those songs?

2109
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Speaker 26: I used to hate him so much because I was

2110
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 26: a teenage boy. In teenage boy heart throbs are not

2111
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Speaker 26: what teenage boys want to listen to on the radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you do know who he is, fatally maybe, but

2113
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Speaker 2: not really anyway, listen brilliant, enjoy your weekend. What what

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Speaker 2: a busy day that has been today? Hasn't it? Go

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Speaker 2: the w set up the wires, and then we'll see

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Speaker 2: you again on Monday. How much I syng say feeling

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Speaker 2: a porny? Come trip it up on weekend?

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Speaker 3: Money? Should ever enuber.

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Speaker 19: And know you'll only get the first manna when you're

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Speaker 19: comp it to the first manner.

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