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Speaker 3: I like you a good afternoon and welcome in a

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Speaker 3: very warm welcome to the Sunday edition of Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: on News talkshead Beef for November nineth, Happy fiftieth birthday

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Speaker 3: to former Black Abs batsman Matthew Sinclair. I'm Jason Pine,

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Speaker 3: Show producer Annie McDonald talking sport until three o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: What about that? A League derby last night?

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Speaker 4: Alands derby domination continues, but I dare you to have

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Speaker 4: imagined this. I challenge you to find better sporting theater.

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Speaker 3: Tend us unbelievable sporting theater and high drama in Wellington

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Speaker 3: last night Auckland FC down to ten men with forty

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Speaker 3: minutes left to play, down to nine men with ten

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Speaker 3: Wellington Phoenix two. One incredible night at sky Stadium last night.

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Speaker 3: The energy in that place just hits differently when it

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Speaker 3: comes to the Darby. You're gonna break it down for you.

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Speaker 3: But later on in the show. Here from Auckland FC

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Speaker 3: coach Steve Coriker, can you get your views too, football fans,

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Speaker 3: as New Zealand football remains blue. First up today though,

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Speaker 3: take eighty breast over your Sunday morning breakfast.

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Speaker 5: New Zealand's the All Blacks hang on twenty five seventeen.

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Speaker 3: The Grand Slam remains alive, but not without a wee

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Speaker 3: scare at Murray Field this morning. Assistant coach of the

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Speaker 3: All Black Scott Hanson standing by the chat with us.

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Speaker 3: We'll get a Scottish view after one o'clock. I experienced

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Speaker 3: rugby journalist David Barnes gonna hear some of the postmatch

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Speaker 3: thoughts of captain Artie Savia and also Damien McKenzie, who

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Speaker 3: played a significant role in the wind. Heaps of time

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Speaker 3: for your calls and feedback as well. Lines open immediately

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Speaker 3: actually to talk the rugby other matters around today. The

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Speaker 3: Kiwis and the Kiwi Ferns are in Pacific Championship Finals

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Speaker 3: three thirty five. The Kiwis against TAAs are more at

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Speaker 3: five past six. Kiwi's assistant coach Steve Price on the

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Speaker 3: show this afternoon and leading performance coach Kiwi Owen Eastwood

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Speaker 3: has recently completed a nine part podcast series focusing in

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Speaker 3: on the nineteen twenty four All Blacks for Evan one

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Speaker 3: as the Invincibles and the lessons that can be learned

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Speaker 3: years ago. He'll join us this afternoon James mcconey as

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Speaker 3: usual on a Sunday as well, and Live Sport. While

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Speaker 3: we're on the air today, the third T twenty between

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Speaker 3: the third T twenty International this afternoon. This is your

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails weekends

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Speaker 1: for it with Jason Pine News Talk Zenbot.

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Speaker 5: Pass to fine and I you'll please opinion up for

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Speaker 5: the fields of these opinion.

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Speaker 6: This plea his money, very good? Any score the try.

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Speaker 3: Damien them Yeah, unreal try from Damien McKenzie. Near the

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Speaker 3: end of that one, All Blacks twenty five Scotland's seventeen

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Speaker 3: All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen joins us. Scott, thanks

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Speaker 3: for your time. I kind of want to divide this

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Speaker 3: analysis into three parts. The first part is the first half.

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Speaker 3: So seventeen nil in the first half, happy enough at halftime?

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Speaker 7: Were you? We went in at halftime? We finished well.

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Speaker 8: Obviously with that trial on in halftime, we felt that

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Speaker 3: So then minutes forty to sixty when they came back

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, and again not going through the clips,

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Speaker 8: they in regards to twenty minutes off our tiline, they

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Speaker 8: applayed really good pressure with ball in hands and then

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Speaker 8: through that pressure, fortunately we responded around some poor decisions

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Speaker 7: So some learnings there.

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Speaker 8: Started straight away from the kickoff and not regaining that

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Speaker 3: In terms of those yellow cards, Scott, how do you

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Speaker 8: Oh, you talk about self control, You talk about where

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Speaker 8: we are within that pressure, what the team really needs

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Speaker 8: from the individual, and basically we can't put ourselves in

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Speaker 8: those positions where we're you know, we're playing a Test

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Speaker 8: That won't be good enough and tonight that nearly cost us.

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Speaker 8: So some lessons there just acknowledge where we need to

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Speaker 7: Lot of that was trust.

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Speaker 8: Really you look at Wallace, he was trying to do

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Speaker 3: So the third part is the last ten minutes which

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a fair point. I don't know if it

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Speaker 8: But there was a moment that brought Scotland up defensively

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Speaker 8: So think we can be really proud of is how

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Speaker 3: How on earth did Damien McKenzie get that ball down

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Speaker 7: He's pretty special, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Spoke to Jason Holand before and I said, well, Jesus,

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Speaker 8: if there's in one the world are coming off the

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Speaker 8: DMAs been done all for us around coming off the bench,

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Speaker 8: giving us that energy and also that game understanding special

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Speaker 8: moment around keeping the ball and play listare getting the

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Speaker 8: We decided to hold on to position and build it

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Speaker 3: Then, Scott, is he now a guy you say right

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Speaker 3: twenty three? Is the number on your back? Or is

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Speaker 3: he still an option for you in the starting side.

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Speaker 8: Now, We'll always put to what we feel for the week.

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Speaker 8: I just think we're dearmak Is around his game and

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Speaker 8: what he's given us. There this trust and Dearmak around

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Speaker 8: starting He started a couple of weeks ago for us

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Speaker 8: against the Wallabies obviously, so what I'm acknowledging is what

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Speaker 8: he gives us from the bench and that special those

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Speaker 8: special moments, but that's also a massive amount of trust

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Speaker 3: Also, Hardie Savier talked afterwards about a lack of accuracy

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Speaker 3: at times, which put the team under pressure. Scott, how

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Speaker 3: do you coach accuracy?

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Speaker 8: I ain't going to put the minute. If you want accuracy,

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Speaker 8: you've got to put the boys in it. So that's

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Speaker 8: our training week that's the intensity that we do. Accuracy

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Speaker 8: at times, you know, you look at the effort around it,

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Speaker 8: border for us or you know, our forwards, the skill

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Speaker 8: continue to do that. Accuracy comes down to the individuals

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Speaker 3: And can I just ask about one player, and that's

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Speaker 3: Peter Larkey. What do you say from him and his

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Speaker 3: eight jersey specifically.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's just been so pleasing, isn't it. He's such

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Speaker 8: a mature young man. He's a great presents around his game.

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Speaker 8: He's a natural baller. The way he can present himself

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Speaker 8: basically they're uncoachable. He's just a beautiful rugby player, a

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Speaker 8: fantastic young man defensively was on the ball, his timing

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Speaker 8: put pressure on the ball tonight.

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Speaker 7: We needed that because we needed the discipline from him there.

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Speaker 8: Didn't always get it right as a team, but Peter's a.

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Speaker 7: Young man that continues just to grow his game each week, all.

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Speaker 3: Right on to the next. Scott Robinson said he's probably

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Speaker 3: heard enough bagpipes for a while. Other than that, have

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Speaker 3: you enjoyed your time in Scotland?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know what a city to play rugby and

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Speaker 8: it's traditional rugby ground, the crowd and support for Scotland

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Speaker 8: and it was phenomenal. They really did ride them home.

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Speaker 8: It's been a great week for us here in Edinburgh.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of respect here for the Scottish and

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Speaker 8: obviously the love that they're have for the game here also,

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Speaker 8: so it's been a good week for the boys. We'll

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Speaker 8: look forward to getting to England, but grateful for the

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Speaker 8: opportunity to be here in Scotland on special evening. Really

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Speaker 8: was there one hundredth very emotional night for them around

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Speaker 8: their game and we were good enough on the night

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Speaker 8: to get get over the get over the line in

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Speaker 8: the end, but.

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Speaker 7: It took a lot of effort, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Safe travels congratulations on the win, Scott, thanks for chatting

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Speaker 3: as always.

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Speaker 10: I agree really with the lockdown. I mean, if you

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Speaker 9: Right the other end, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 10: The same thing happened in the African France Games and

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Speaker 10: you were quite that too, like Carter's yellow card, which

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Speaker 9: Really, I think it should be taken out of the game.

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Speaker 10: He's given us about six or seven yellow cards. I

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Speaker 10: But the promising things I saw Lester faire Nuku just

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Speaker 9: For a very long time.

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Speaker 10: I was sort of quite optimistic about how this team's

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Speaker 10: like a closer in baseball, isn't He really comes on

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Speaker 10: the last point I wanted to make currently All Blacks

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Speaker 10: They feel if they've got if they've got a chance

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Speaker 10: both teams, the All Blacks and the Africans are good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good observations. I totally agree on LISTI fighting and

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Speaker 3: they would have taken the points. But because it was

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Speaker 3: we'll take the line out down. It worked out, okay.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I take what you're say though, Mark. They do.

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Speaker 10: It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, some

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, you never see Addie

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Speaker 3: Savier come off, do you?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 3: He and so, And you're right, it seems like hookers

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Speaker 3: you've got you've got to come off. I'm glad like

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Speaker 3: for all got on till seventy eight minutes last week

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Speaker 3: and this morning, as you say, played the whole game.

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's a great it's a great break

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Speaker 3: from what we often see. There's no need, is there.

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Speaker 3: Hello Tony, Yeah, hello.

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Speaker 2: Something interesting came to mind looking at the first half

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Speaker 2: tries that were held up yep, and then in the

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Speaker 2: second half they had a knock on on the line.

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Speaker 2: They were extraordinary and very very unlucky to be to

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Speaker 2: of course the other point was the all Blacks started

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Speaker 2: as soon as he got ready to come back on

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Speaker 2: But it's extraordinary what they were able to do with,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, Tony, the point about the first

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Speaker 3: you okay, Well, the All Blacks have dominated that half,

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Speaker 3: They soaked up Scotland, soaked up a lot of All

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Speaker 3: the end it got to the point where when another

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Speaker 3: we're here, will take some points now, and they took

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Speaker 3: the penalty to go to ten nil rather than continue

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Speaker 3: battering away at the line. But I thought the All

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Speaker 3: you're right the two tries or would be tries held

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Speaker 3: It seemed as though it was wave after wave. They

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Speaker 3: will they'll be disappointed, Tony. You know they had a

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Speaker 3: great chance to win that Test match.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen Scotland move the ball so well, so wide,

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Speaker 2: a long time about this one.

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Speaker 3: And Dave, I will Tony thank you for taking the

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Speaker 3: top to cool and night right to chat to you

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Speaker 3: twelve twenty eight of this Oh Light one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eight ten. How do you take a bright comeback with

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Speaker 3: more of your calls takes Bason just two on nine

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Speaker 5: That's sneaking through the line of trust. Lord Cot was

434
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Speaker 5: at twenty two looking at like that and right up

435
00:22:05,827 --> 00:22:09,747
Speaker 5: left left to rend to have happened?

436
00:22:10,547 --> 00:22:13,307
Speaker 3: How good was that saying Josh Lord charging down the

437
00:22:13,347 --> 00:22:16,507
Speaker 3: middle holding the ball in one hand, Colin Meads in

438
00:22:16,547 --> 00:22:18,787
Speaker 3: the old days. Thanks for those of you who texted

439
00:22:18,827 --> 00:22:21,107
Speaker 3: and about the weather and Nelson are no surprise, lovely

440
00:22:21,187 --> 00:22:23,747
Speaker 3: and sunny. No cloud's twenty degrees, not a cloud in

441
00:22:23,787 --> 00:22:25,907
Speaker 3: this guy. That's the selection of the texts we got

442
00:22:25,947 --> 00:22:28,787
Speaker 3: about Nelson one fifteen start in the thirdteen to twenty

443
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Speaker 3: International Richard, Hi, mate, thanks for holding that's.

444
00:22:31,787 --> 00:22:36,027
Speaker 13: All right, hey, just a couple of quick observations. First

445
00:22:36,027 --> 00:22:39,187
Speaker 13: of one, it's but some people might not like it.

446
00:22:39,307 --> 00:22:45,187
Speaker 13: But I'm just wondering why Robertson is persisting with Scott Barrett.

447
00:22:45,427 --> 00:22:51,187
Speaker 13: It's captain and even starting fifteen Locke he hasn't been

448
00:22:51,267 --> 00:22:53,587
Speaker 13: playing as good as he can for the last two

449
00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:57,187
Speaker 13: years and he's been in a lot and I'm just

450
00:22:57,347 --> 00:23:01,467
Speaker 13: wondering an actual fact that's seeing the level, what value

451
00:23:01,547 --> 00:23:04,987
Speaker 13: he's actually adding, because it seems to me we've got

452
00:23:06,107 --> 00:23:09,347
Speaker 13: good on the rock and stops, so that doesn't seem

453
00:23:09,347 --> 00:23:12,747
Speaker 13: to be in the shoe Captain. See, he doesn't appear

454
00:23:12,787 --> 00:23:16,667
Speaker 13: to add much around the field. And I'm also wondering

455
00:23:16,707 --> 00:23:19,707
Speaker 13: about Boden Barrett. He's not been at the top of

456
00:23:19,787 --> 00:23:23,067
Speaker 13: his game. He's a great servant. I'd still keep him

457
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Speaker 13: in the squad, but as a backup. I'm just really

458
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Speaker 13: scratching my head as to why they're not trying a

459
00:23:30,947 --> 00:23:33,667
Speaker 13: few other first fives, because I think it would be

460
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Speaker 13: folly just to rely on the market coming back and

461
00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:40,627
Speaker 13: staying in one piece for a World Cup. I just

462
00:23:40,787 --> 00:23:44,227
Speaker 13: can't work out as the logic because this is Bloodham

463
00:23:44,347 --> 00:23:45,827
Speaker 13: time as far as I'm concerned.

464
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's start with the second one first. Yeah, I'm

465
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Speaker 3: interested to know what the plan is when Richie Wonger

466
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Speaker 3: does come back. Damian McKenzie, I think, as I said earlier, Richard,

467
00:23:56,907 --> 00:24:00,027
Speaker 3: I think is having him in that twenty three Jersey

468
00:24:00,547 --> 00:24:03,587
Speaker 3: suits his skill set perfectly, an impact player off the bench.

469
00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:05,987
Speaker 3: But I don't think you can have mung About and

470
00:24:06,427 --> 00:24:09,107
Speaker 3: McKenzie all in the twenty three. I just don't think

471
00:24:09,187 --> 00:24:12,947
Speaker 3: that happens unless but plays fallback, and I just can't

472
00:24:12,987 --> 00:24:16,267
Speaker 3: see that happening. So yeah, I think the Scott Robertson

473
00:24:16,307 --> 00:24:18,387
Speaker 3: has a lot of eggs in the Richie Wonger basket.

474
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Speaker 3: Having said that, I think the next guy to develop

475
00:24:20,907 --> 00:24:23,947
Speaker 3: is probably Josh Jacob, who is on the All Blacks

476
00:24:24,027 --> 00:24:27,307
Speaker 3: fifteen tour. At the moment, there's Reuben Love who has

477
00:24:27,347 --> 00:24:30,027
Speaker 3: been hardly given any opportunities at all, even though he's

478
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Speaker 3: been chosen as a first five. I know what you're saying,

479
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Speaker 3: and I get the feeling that maybe at the back

480
00:24:34,787 --> 00:24:37,867
Speaker 3: end of this tour against Wales you'll see somebody new

481
00:24:37,987 --> 00:24:40,547
Speaker 3: starting that ten Jersey. Not sure who. I'd quite like

482
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Speaker 3: to see them bring Josh Jacob and actually to have

483
00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:46,547
Speaker 3: a test, but we'll wait and see. On the Scott

484
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Speaker 3: Barrett situation, I think he's one of a number of

485
00:24:48,867 --> 00:24:50,707
Speaker 3: very good locks at the moment. I think you're right,

486
00:24:50,787 --> 00:24:54,307
Speaker 3: there's really good depth developing there and Josh Lord is

487
00:24:54,347 --> 00:24:57,267
Speaker 3: the latest one to do that. I still think he's

488
00:24:57,307 --> 00:24:59,307
Speaker 3: one of our best locks. And we had a conversation

489
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Speaker 3: about the captaincy a little while ago. I just wonder

490
00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:06,187
Speaker 3: whether he would be better and unencumbered without the captaincy

491
00:25:06,387 --> 00:25:08,067
Speaker 3: and just go out there and be the best lock

492
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Speaker 3: that he can.

493
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Speaker 13: Since he's had that, he's disappeared as far as his

494
00:25:14,067 --> 00:25:19,907
Speaker 13: dynamic form is concerned. The captaincy has not suited him.

495
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Speaker 13: That's my personal opinion.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well all opinions valid.

497
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Speaker 7: Richard.

498
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Speaker 3: Just let me ask you, Yeah, can I just ask

499
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Speaker 3: you about the Boden Barrett Then what do you think?

500
00:25:30,307 --> 00:25:32,427
Speaker 3: So next year, let's say morelong it comes in and

501
00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:35,427
Speaker 3: plays ten. I mean that seems right, doesn't it. You

502
00:25:35,507 --> 00:25:38,027
Speaker 3: can't have Boden Barrett and Damien McKenzie and the reserves,

503
00:25:38,067 --> 00:25:39,747
Speaker 3: can you because you don't. You don't cover midfield.

504
00:25:40,947 --> 00:25:45,227
Speaker 13: No, you don't. And like the coach said before, you know,

505
00:25:45,307 --> 00:25:48,307
Speaker 13: they pick a team for what they need for that

506
00:25:49,427 --> 00:25:55,667
Speaker 13: particular game coming up. And to be honest, names escaping

507
00:25:55,747 --> 00:26:03,347
Speaker 13: him in now the back the chosen one. Well Jordan, Yeah, yeah,

508
00:26:04,067 --> 00:26:07,347
Speaker 13: you know he's not covering himself in glory this season.

509
00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:11,467
Speaker 13: He has done nothing this season and I'm just wondering

510
00:26:12,067 --> 00:26:14,187
Speaker 13: give him a shake up and put I'll either put

511
00:26:14,267 --> 00:26:18,547
Speaker 13: body back there as you said, he actually to me

512
00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:23,107
Speaker 13: he plays better at fullback because he's fast and he

513
00:26:23,187 --> 00:26:25,267
Speaker 13: can take the punt. You know, he can see the

514
00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:29,267
Speaker 13: waves parting before him, as it were. From fallback, and

515
00:26:29,307 --> 00:26:33,187
Speaker 13: he seems to make those outstanding breaks more than Will

516
00:26:33,267 --> 00:26:35,667
Speaker 13: Jordan appears to be doing at the moment. I don't

517
00:26:36,627 --> 00:26:39,867
Speaker 13: very well this year. I know he's great talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

518
00:26:39,987 --> 00:26:43,267
Speaker 13: but you know, it's not out there at the moment

519
00:26:43,587 --> 00:26:44,667
Speaker 13: as far as I'm concerned.

520
00:26:45,187 --> 00:26:47,947
Speaker 3: Thank you, Richard. I appreciate your call. Thanks for calling

521
00:26:47,987 --> 00:26:50,587
Speaker 3: through with your thoughts and articulating them so well. Yes,

522
00:26:50,667 --> 00:26:53,587
Speaker 3: all about opinions. You know, we're not all going to agree.

523
00:26:53,627 --> 00:26:55,107
Speaker 3: I don't think we have to. I don't think that's

524
00:26:55,147 --> 00:26:58,067
Speaker 3: the rule, certainly not on this radio station. Thanks Richard,

525
00:26:58,067 --> 00:26:58,627
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

526
00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:01,067
Speaker 14: George, Hi, mate, Goolad pointy.

527
00:27:01,107 --> 00:27:01,587
Speaker 9: How's it going?

528
00:27:01,947 --> 00:27:02,827
Speaker 3: Very good, mate, very good?

529
00:27:02,907 --> 00:27:07,307
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, good. Thanks. Pleasing to see the composure in

530
00:27:07,387 --> 00:27:09,867
Speaker 14: the last ten minutes. I guess for the second week

531
00:27:09,907 --> 00:27:12,947
Speaker 14: in a row, they can probably only build confidence. But yeah,

532
00:27:13,027 --> 00:27:15,427
Speaker 14: comment similar things to the call of the thought before

533
00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:19,147
Speaker 14: about making these games closer than they need to be

534
00:27:19,307 --> 00:27:22,347
Speaker 14: and kind of the cost of that, don't see, Like

535
00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:26,227
Speaker 14: you know, I think the Argentina game over here and

536
00:27:27,627 --> 00:27:31,347
Speaker 14: the Australia first Test that got really close, and obviously

537
00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:35,227
Speaker 14: this morning giving up these big leads kind of means you,

538
00:27:36,147 --> 00:27:38,907
Speaker 14: you know, it's the difference between Rasma getting thirty minutes

539
00:27:39,227 --> 00:27:42,907
Speaker 14: due to see getting on and then, as the caller

540
00:27:42,987 --> 00:27:47,027
Speaker 14: said before, someone like Reuben Love getting on for a

541
00:27:47,067 --> 00:27:48,947
Speaker 14: bit of time throughout the season. Like I think the

542
00:27:49,027 --> 00:27:52,067
Speaker 14: she every game that we've made it hard for ourselves

543
00:27:52,147 --> 00:27:55,147
Speaker 14: in has meant we've had to stay really safe and

544
00:27:55,227 --> 00:27:58,107
Speaker 14: cautious with our selections the following week. And you know,

545
00:27:58,227 --> 00:28:00,107
Speaker 14: kind of go back to that Argentina game, because if

546
00:28:00,507 --> 00:28:02,267
Speaker 14: you'd taken that, you probably would have signed up the

547
00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:05,147
Speaker 14: championship and you can experiment a bit more with a

548
00:28:05,227 --> 00:28:08,507
Speaker 14: team in Perth. But it just feels like this morning

549
00:28:08,547 --> 00:28:11,187
Speaker 14: could have been a forty to twelve type of game

550
00:28:11,227 --> 00:28:13,627
Speaker 14: if we'd taken the Windo out of their sales after halftime.

551
00:28:14,667 --> 00:28:16,587
Speaker 14: But as we've done a few times this year, we've

552
00:28:16,627 --> 00:28:18,267
Speaker 14: given a really healthy plead.

553
00:28:19,027 --> 00:28:22,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that scoreline you just said, then, George, that's

554
00:28:22,707 --> 00:28:24,427
Speaker 3: like a typical All Blacks thing, isn't it. You know,

555
00:28:24,507 --> 00:28:27,107
Speaker 3: you run away from a team, you put space between

556
00:28:28,267 --> 00:28:30,827
Speaker 3: yourselves and them, and then you allow yourself a bit

557
00:28:30,867 --> 00:28:32,747
Speaker 3: of freedom both on the day and as you say

558
00:28:32,867 --> 00:28:35,667
Speaker 3: later on. And the only scoreline that I can find

559
00:28:35,707 --> 00:28:37,587
Speaker 3: that kind of fits that this year is the second

560
00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:41,187
Speaker 3: Test against France and Wellington, which was what forty three seventeen.

561
00:28:41,707 --> 00:28:43,987
Speaker 3: The others have all been too close with that, you know,

562
00:28:44,067 --> 00:28:45,707
Speaker 3: you think, just when you think we're going to get

563
00:28:45,707 --> 00:28:48,027
Speaker 3: two scores away from whoever, it is the whole score

564
00:28:48,067 --> 00:28:49,707
Speaker 3: and then we're back to a bit of a bit

565
00:28:49,747 --> 00:28:50,667
Speaker 3: of a dog fight again.

566
00:28:51,627 --> 00:28:55,227
Speaker 14: Definitely, yeah, And I mean I already's spoken quite well

567
00:28:55,227 --> 00:28:58,747
Speaker 14: about these stacking moments and keeping the foot on the throat,

568
00:28:58,827 --> 00:29:00,667
Speaker 14: and it feels like they're aware that that's what they

569
00:29:00,747 --> 00:29:01,107
Speaker 14: need to do.

570
00:29:01,307 --> 00:29:02,947
Speaker 9: But I think you're right.

571
00:29:03,027 --> 00:29:05,987
Speaker 14: We look a million dollars and then can kind of

572
00:29:06,027 --> 00:29:09,627
Speaker 14: have the these concentration lapses that just get teams back

573
00:29:09,707 --> 00:29:12,587
Speaker 14: into the game. And as you say that, you know

574
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:16,387
Speaker 14: that Scotland team, we're brave this morning in the third quarter,

575
00:29:16,507 --> 00:29:19,547
Speaker 14: but they weren't. They're accurate and it probably could have

576
00:29:19,627 --> 00:29:22,187
Speaker 14: been a more of a typical All Blacks performance of

577
00:29:22,267 --> 00:29:25,587
Speaker 14: where they put this the game out of doubt after halftime.

578
00:29:25,667 --> 00:29:27,867
Speaker 14: And then that gives you a bit more freedom in

579
00:29:27,947 --> 00:29:30,867
Speaker 14: the weeks to come around your selections and sort of

580
00:29:31,387 --> 00:29:35,187
Speaker 14: giving guys like Carefe a bit more time and a

581
00:29:35,227 --> 00:29:37,507
Speaker 14: bit of time, which you know, the South Africans are

582
00:29:37,547 --> 00:29:40,027
Speaker 14: doing well with building death, but we're kind of not

583
00:29:40,907 --> 00:29:43,027
Speaker 14: able to do it at the moment given our performances.

584
00:29:43,387 --> 00:29:46,387
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great observation, as most of observation. George Ha,

585
00:29:46,507 --> 00:29:49,027
Speaker 3: thanks mate, always good chatting to you. Thanks for calling

586
00:29:49,107 --> 00:29:50,827
Speaker 3: in mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and

587
00:29:50,987 --> 00:29:54,067
Speaker 3: number twenty one away from one speed line there if

588
00:29:54,067 --> 00:29:55,587
Speaker 3: we want to jump aboard and use a couple of

589
00:29:55,667 --> 00:29:58,187
Speaker 3: texts to get out of the way. Bretz is bonny.

590
00:29:58,427 --> 00:30:01,307
Speaker 3: Scotland bottled that match because they stopped playing rugby once

591
00:30:01,307 --> 00:30:03,147
Speaker 3: they got to seventeen, or they went to silly box

592
00:30:03,267 --> 00:30:05,547
Speaker 3: kicks when they hit all the momentum. A real missed

593
00:30:05,627 --> 00:30:08,947
Speaker 3: opportunity going to talk to David Barnes at Scottish Rugby

594
00:30:09,027 --> 00:30:11,627
Speaker 3: Journalist after one o'clock to find out just how deep

595
00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:15,267
Speaker 3: the frustration is and how guarded they are. They've come

596
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:17,547
Speaker 3: close to us a number of times. We haven't played

597
00:30:17,587 --> 00:30:22,267
Speaker 3: Scotland very often, admittedly in the last ten to fifteen years.

598
00:30:22,307 --> 00:30:26,067
Speaker 3: It's been very sporadic really, but they've never beaten us

599
00:30:26,547 --> 00:30:29,827
Speaker 3: at seventeen all when they kicked that penalty to go

600
00:30:29,907 --> 00:30:34,107
Speaker 3: to seventeen all and then Wallace a Titi gets put

601
00:30:34,147 --> 00:30:37,547
Speaker 3: in the bin. So they're playing from minute sixty one

602
00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:42,507
Speaker 3: to seventy one at seventeen all with fifteen v fourteen.

603
00:30:42,627 --> 00:30:45,867
Speaker 3: They must have really rated their chances and a good

604
00:30:46,027 --> 00:30:51,547
Speaker 3: side wins that game. Unfortunately Scotland have to wait again

605
00:30:51,747 --> 00:30:55,107
Speaker 3: now until next year for another chance. Un says Piney Morning.

606
00:30:55,147 --> 00:30:57,547
Speaker 3: I disagree with the earlier comment and the criticism of

607
00:30:57,587 --> 00:30:59,467
Speaker 3: the referee in the yellow cards. I think Nick Barns

608
00:30:59,547 --> 00:31:02,387
Speaker 3: is one of the best referees around. I'd have him

609
00:31:02,387 --> 00:31:05,107
Speaker 3: against England. I felt confident with him refereeing, especially when

610
00:31:05,147 --> 00:31:06,987
Speaker 3: we went down to fourteen. I don't think there's any

611
00:31:07,027 --> 00:31:08,627
Speaker 3: argument with any of the three yellow cards, so I

612
00:31:08,707 --> 00:31:12,907
Speaker 3: wasn't suggesting that Leroy Carter is definitely yellow. Arlie Savia

613
00:31:13,227 --> 00:31:15,947
Speaker 3: almost certainly yellow. In the Wallace of Tity one is

614
00:31:16,027 --> 00:31:17,987
Speaker 3: yellow as well. I just don't like the role. But

615
00:31:18,067 --> 00:31:20,587
Speaker 3: that's not that doesn't mean it's not a yellow card.

616
00:31:21,267 --> 00:31:26,227
Speaker 3: It's definitely a yellow card. Jason High okay, bin.

617
00:31:28,067 --> 00:31:28,827
Speaker 9: A couple of things.

618
00:31:28,947 --> 00:31:31,467
Speaker 15: The Scottland side is not the Scotland side that we've

619
00:31:32,267 --> 00:31:35,907
Speaker 15: we've seen before. They I was mentally impressed with them,

620
00:31:35,947 --> 00:31:37,827
Speaker 15: and most few chords have been saying the same thing.

621
00:31:39,267 --> 00:31:42,667
Speaker 15: They they are definitely sort of a way different team

622
00:31:42,707 --> 00:31:45,667
Speaker 15: that we've ever played before. And you're right, they were

623
00:31:45,747 --> 00:31:48,747
Speaker 15: one moment probably Jiff Wilson sort of summed it up

624
00:31:48,747 --> 00:31:52,467
Speaker 15: pretty well in his postmatch summary with Laura mcgolder. There

625
00:31:52,507 --> 00:31:57,267
Speaker 15: were probably one moment away from probably turning history books

626
00:31:57,307 --> 00:32:00,947
Speaker 15: their way. I think the thing that stopped them, that

627
00:32:01,027 --> 00:32:04,707
Speaker 15: stuffed them completely in terms of just a flavor of them,

628
00:32:04,827 --> 00:32:07,507
Speaker 15: was that you know that fifty twenty thing of d

629
00:32:07,707 --> 00:32:11,387
Speaker 15: Mac And you're quite right to highlight he is in

630
00:32:11,507 --> 00:32:15,427
Speaker 15: that specific play that he plays for us, you know

631
00:32:15,547 --> 00:32:19,187
Speaker 15: that role of impact off the bench, whatever it is,

632
00:32:19,347 --> 00:32:23,027
Speaker 15: he's he's gold. He's ten points every game in that

633
00:32:23,147 --> 00:32:27,427
Speaker 15: particular function, I think, and I think without him coming

634
00:32:27,547 --> 00:32:30,387
Speaker 15: on and doing and creating it, but in Magic, I

635
00:32:30,427 --> 00:32:31,827
Speaker 15: think we probably would have lost.

636
00:32:33,707 --> 00:32:36,867
Speaker 3: I think you're probably right, Jace. I think he had

637
00:32:36,907 --> 00:32:39,347
Speaker 3: a huge say in the game, and the fifty twenty

638
00:32:39,427 --> 00:32:41,867
Speaker 3: two that he that he pulled out I think is

639
00:32:41,947 --> 00:32:45,707
Speaker 3: the game's most significant moment for when it happened, for

640
00:32:45,827 --> 00:32:48,787
Speaker 3: what it meant, for the way it changed the game,

641
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:51,387
Speaker 3: and I think also for the for what it did

642
00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:54,147
Speaker 3: to Scotland. They were like, we were all the way

643
00:32:54,227 --> 00:32:55,947
Speaker 3: down there and now we've got to go all the

644
00:32:55,987 --> 00:33:00,587
Speaker 3: way back there. That I think that psychologically really affected them.

645
00:33:01,507 --> 00:33:01,707
Speaker 12: Yeah.

646
00:33:01,707 --> 00:33:03,467
Speaker 15: I mean you could pull that move off in the

647
00:33:03,587 --> 00:33:06,027
Speaker 15: first half and it would have made no difference. Who's

648
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Speaker 15: to say we would have scored from it anyway?

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Speaker 9: I think we did.

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Speaker 15: But having done at the time that was left and

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Speaker 15: when it was when we're under the pump, I think

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Speaker 15: that was the game's defining moment. And you know, even

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Speaker 15: more so than when he scored that try. You know

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Speaker 15: that he had no right to score. But no, Look,

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Speaker 15: I also one thing too, I'd like to say quickly.

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Speaker 15: I think we've got a really good side too, and

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Speaker 15: they'll get better for next week because they'll need to be.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, I was very impressed. I mean, can you

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Speaker 15: mention the callers today? Have we lost to a side

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Speaker 15: we've never lost before again, because there only would have

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Speaker 15: left Honger and samorrow, it would have been a much

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Speaker 15: different afternoon.

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Speaker 3: I think I wonder what they're doing over and I

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Speaker 3: wonder what they're doing over in Australia. Do you see

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Speaker 3: the Wallabies lost to Italy? Did you catch up on

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Speaker 3: that news I did, and f.

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Speaker 15: G gave England a right royal battle for sixty four

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Speaker 15: minutes as well, So yeah, I think, yeah, it's a

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Speaker 15: different landscape we're watching now mate.

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Speaker 3: Certainly as Jason's great to chat mate drive safe oh

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is and number just

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Speaker 3: on Damien McKenzie and is ever loose in this all

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Speaker 3: black side under Razor. Last year, Damien mackenzie played in

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Speaker 3: all fourteen Test matches. He started ten of them and

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Speaker 3: came off the bench in the other four, so ten

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Speaker 3: starts and four off the bench. This year he has

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Speaker 3: played in all eleven Test matches, so he's played every

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Speaker 3: single one of the Test matches last year. In this

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Speaker 3: twenty five Test matches this year, though, of the eleven,

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Speaker 3: three starts and eight off the bench, it just feels

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Speaker 3: like that is the evolution. Boden Barrett has been preferred

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Speaker 3: at first five for eight of the games. It just

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Speaker 3: feels like Damien McKenzie is perfect in the twenty three jersey.

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Speaker 3: He provides you impetus, impact, enthusiasm, the ability to break tackles,

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Speaker 3: run and broken play, run at tied defenders. He provided

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Speaker 3: impact last week and I don't I don't care what

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Speaker 3: Scott Hansen says. Damien mckinzey won that game for them

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Speaker 3: in the last ten minutes this morning. Call it to

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Speaker 3: one back with boor in moments be aline Oh eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Don't get caught off Side eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder News sogs MB.

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Speaker 5: Barrett plays half back ball left hand side to Teddy breaking.

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Speaker 16: Down the left hand sir to Tenny of.

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Speaker 1: Jordan.

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Speaker 9: The try.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one just before halftime. Sixth try of

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Speaker 3: the year for Will Jordan. Even though on one of

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Speaker 3: our previous callers didn't think he was playing that well.

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Speaker 3: He's still the leading tri scorer for the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: this year with six and has started every single Test match,

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Speaker 3: just one of two players to do that. Artist Savilla

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Speaker 3: is the other one. At the other end of the

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Speaker 3: of the participation scale is the impact that Damien McKenzie

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Speaker 3: is providing. So how did he assess the last twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes of the game this morning in particular?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I sort of first half of it was you know,

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Speaker 17: we're under a whole lot of pressure from Scotland. They

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Speaker 17: came out of the blocks firing in that second half,

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Speaker 17: scored two quick tries.

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Speaker 3: Penalty to put it to seventeen or and you key

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Speaker 3: messages we were.

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Speaker 17: Feeding back to the rest of the boys was just

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Speaker 17: to be patient and when we get the opportunity, make

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Speaker 17: sure we put the four the right areas of the

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Speaker 17: field and put it in front of our foods to attack.

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Speaker 17: And we were sort of lot in that there quarter

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Speaker 17: it and Scotland threw a lot at us, but obviously

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Speaker 17: Wilson to be able to come away with when they're.

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Speaker 7: At the end.

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Speaker 3: What about Damien McKenzie's try what is there a member

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Speaker 3: of that? And the rather superhuman effort required to even

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Speaker 3: get the ball down.

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Speaker 17: I don't usually always were too long a spreagus, but

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Speaker 17: it might have been that to keep me in. But

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Speaker 17: I think just a bit of luck and been able

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Speaker 17: to stay in there in the corner and a mean

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Speaker 17: house when you got a great full pack to so

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Speaker 17: we had an advantage. So you've got a bit of

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Speaker 17: a free play and a free shot at it. So yeah,

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Speaker 17: just a bit of luck in the corner and plan

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Speaker 17: I was having give.

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Speaker 3: Down Damie McKenzie and his impact off the bench. What

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Speaker 3: does he look to provide when he comes into the

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Speaker 3: game rather than starting.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, I don't know if it was a man

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Speaker 17: of the match performance. I was obviously on the end

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Speaker 17: of it with the try and I guess there's a

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Speaker 17: goalkicker you just got to try. And now those moments

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Speaker 17: and the previous goal Cup from the trial wasn't overly flesh, so.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's an impact player.

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Speaker 17: It's about coming on, reading the game and bring an

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Speaker 17: impact where you can bring an energy and we have

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Speaker 17: to with the first half of that twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're on defense most of the time.

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Speaker 17: So I'm just really pleased with how we're able to

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Speaker 17: withstand that and then turn it around and place him

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Speaker 17: attacking rugby And I said as a serious crunch match

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Speaker 17: against Scotland, they are a great side, so to come

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Speaker 17: away with a win here at America was extremely pleasing.

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Speaker 3: And what do they take now forward to the next

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Speaker 3: Test match, a big one at Twickenham against England next weekend.

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Speaker 17: Were attacked really run for ustve and our defense was

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Speaker 17: really good, so for us moving forward. Obviously three yellow cards,

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Speaker 17: so discipline's obviously an area.

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Speaker 18: Where I have to folks.

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Speaker 3: I was guilty myself at one stage.

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Speaker 17: So just individual things and we're able to keep fifteen

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Speaker 17: men on the park for eighty minutes, then you know

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Speaker 17: I'd got a long way to having success in these

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Speaker 17: last two matches. So we have a look at Van

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Speaker 17: and just keep growing our game. We showed some great

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Speaker 17: plints of attack and our defense was extremely good, so

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Speaker 17: pleasing and looking forward the next two weeks.

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Speaker 3: And Damien mackenzie Pete asks on text regarding DMA's performance,

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Speaker 3: when did you ever know someone to get Player of

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Speaker 3: the day for only thirty odd minutes. It's a very

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Speaker 3: good point you make, Pete. He came on in the

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Speaker 3: forty fourth so yeah, early in the second half with

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Speaker 3: Caleb Clark going off. But yeah, it's not common is

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Speaker 3: it for someone who plays less than half of the

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Speaker 3: game to get man of the match? Aidan from Dunedin.

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Speaker 3: I always enjoy getting your texts, Aidan for mine Piney,

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Speaker 3: this was the exciting expense of entertaining an intense test.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see. Perhaps Scotland were unlucky to not

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Speaker 3: bag the first all Black scalp in their history, though,

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Speaker 3: especially with thirty minutes against fourteen men, we're building quite

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Speaker 3: a collection of yellow cards this year. Perhaps Coldplay song

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Speaker 3: Yellow should be the All Black's theme song, or a

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Speaker 3: call to the phoenix to borrow a yellow fever tag

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Speaker 3: on the All Blacks. The text continues, I think we

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Speaker 3: found our top loose forward combination with Ardie, Savierpetalaki and

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Speaker 3: Wallace ATTETI. I'm happy with the midfield pairing of Quinn

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Speaker 3: and Leicester. Enjoyed seeing Royguard mixing close defense by adding

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Speaker 3: running and carrying to his distribution and box kicks game.

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Speaker 3: I didn't hear Ardie's name until the second quarter, not

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Speaker 3: because he stepped back, but because so many others stepped up.

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Speaker 3: Big impact off the bench from d Mac to earn

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Speaker 3: Man of the Match Ony coming on after forty five

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Speaker 3: minutes must be a rarity. Still a long way to

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Speaker 3: go off an eighty minute performance. The vas is half

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Speaker 3: full with shamrock and thistle gathered, Daffodila certainty very good Aiden.

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Speaker 3: Can we secure the rare rose next week? G you've

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Speaker 3: got away with words mate, love it. Thanks for your text.

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Speaker 3: Seven and a half away from one News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you make a call

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Payne News Talks.

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Speaker 3: MB coming up four to one. I want to get

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Speaker 3: to Scotland after one and get a Scottish viewpoint. How

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Speaker 3: gutted are they at not being able to close that

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Speaker 3: one out. David Barnes, longtime Scottish rugby journalist, is going

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Speaker 3: to join us. More time for your calls as well.

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Speaker 3: I do want to speak to the derby this afternoon

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Speaker 3: as well, or talk about the derby last night in

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Speaker 3: the A League. Terrific energy at Sky Stadium. It's just

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Speaker 3: just a very different environment for many sporting events I've

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Speaker 3: been to already. This this A League rivalry is delivering.

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk about the derby this afternoon

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Speaker 3: as well. In Nelson, New Zealand have won the toss

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Speaker 3: and elected to bat first in the third T twenty

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Speaker 3: International against the West Indies. A couple of changes to

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand eleven. Mark Chapman's dropped out. He must

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Speaker 3: be injured. There's no way you can drop a guy

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Speaker 3: got seventy eight off twenty eight balls the other night.

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Speaker 3: Mitch Hay is coming to the team, but he's not

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Speaker 3: keeping wicket. Devin Conway is and Jimmy Nisham's into the

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Speaker 3: side for Zach Folks, so New Zealand winning the toss

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Speaker 3: and electing to that first first ball and Nelson at

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Speaker 3: one point fifteen back with more rugby though after one true.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

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Speaker 1: on and after fields, it's all on win Kenspard with

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Speaker 1: Jason Vane on your home of Sport on a.

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Speaker 3: New Talks one seven on the Dot. Welcome too, Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Weekend Sport. We're here till three. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine with Any McDonnell running the cutter. We're off

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Speaker 3: to Scotland in a minute. David Barnes, renowned rugby journalist

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Speaker 3: over there. He has watched a lot of Scottish rugby.

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Speaker 3: Did he think today was going to be the day

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Speaker 3: that he could write about and report on a Scotland

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Speaker 3: went over the All Blacks? And how guarded are the

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Speaker 3: team that they couldn't make that hair? And how deep

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Speaker 3: is the frustration? And is there a bit of pride

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Speaker 3: mixed in as well? Because you know, I guess have

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Speaker 3: to be at least a little bit proud that you

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Speaker 3: pushed the All Blacks so close. But are Scotland at

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Speaker 3: the point now where that's not enough. They don't want

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Speaker 3: to be gallant losers anymore. They want to win one

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Speaker 3: of these things. So I think I'm talking about Wellington

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Speaker 3: Phoenix here as well win one of these things the

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Speaker 3: Derby's another win in the derby last night for Auckland FC.

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Speaker 3: That is four now out of four and they did

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Speaker 3: it without a nu miracle equality for large parts of

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Speaker 3: the game. Dan Hall sends off with forty minutes to go,

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Speaker 3: Logan Rogerson joining him in the changing room with ten

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Speaker 3: minutes to go. Auckland FC had to play with nine

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Speaker 3: men for the last ten minutes, then another ten minutes

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Speaker 3: of added time and still they repelled Wellington and one

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Speaker 3: at two to one. Steve Corick is on the show

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, keeting here for as well up the DEFC fans,

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Speaker 3: Phoenix fans, football fans. What you made of it all?

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Speaker 3: It's quickly becoming a very very cool addition to our

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Speaker 3: sporting landscape. But a rugby league later on for you

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Speaker 3: as well, your causing correspondence always welcome on the show.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten, eighty nine two nine two

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Speaker 3: for your texts and just repeating the news that Elijah

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Speaker 3: told you in our sports news. Mitchell sent has won

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Speaker 3: the toss and Nelson, New Zealand will bat first against

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Speaker 3: the West Indies on a stunning Nelson day in the

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Speaker 3: third of the five match T twenty series. Game four

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Speaker 3: is back in Nelson tomorrow, the game three about to

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Speaker 3: get underway. We will keep you right up today with

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00:43:46,507 --> 00:43:52,347
Speaker 3: developments from Saxton Oval. Are sun soaked? Saxton Oval in Nelson.

864
00:43:52,267 --> 00:43:57,547
Speaker 5: Take eighty grandly over your Sunday morning breakfast. New Zealans

865
00:43:58,227 --> 00:44:03,467
Speaker 5: to the All Blacks hang on twenty five seventeen.

866
00:44:04,147 --> 00:44:06,867
Speaker 3: Let's get you to Scotland and bring in long time

867
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Speaker 3: Scottish rugby journalist with the off sideline, David Barnes who

868
00:44:11,147 --> 00:44:14,547
Speaker 3: watched on at Murrayfield. Thanks for joining us, David. How

869
00:44:14,707 --> 00:44:18,787
Speaker 3: gutted will Scotland be to let a really good opportunity

870
00:44:18,907 --> 00:44:20,947
Speaker 3: slip to finally beat the All Blacks?

871
00:44:21,627 --> 00:44:21,827
Speaker 9: Yeah?

872
00:44:22,067 --> 00:44:25,547
Speaker 19: Very gutted, very gutted the press conference so only two

873
00:44:25,667 --> 00:44:27,507
Speaker 19: plot Who I mean you felt for the guy he

874
00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:31,187
Speaker 19: was you know he's beside himself and you can understand

875
00:44:31,227 --> 00:44:33,267
Speaker 19: why it's been a lot of long time, and we've

876
00:44:33,307 --> 00:44:34,787
Speaker 19: been close to you guys in the past, you know,

877
00:44:34,787 --> 00:44:36,947
Speaker 19: the last couple of years. But I think, you know,

878
00:44:36,987 --> 00:44:38,627
Speaker 19: it really felt like we had you on the ropes, didn't.

879
00:44:38,627 --> 00:44:41,307
Speaker 19: It was about twenty minutes to go, and I think

880
00:44:41,347 --> 00:44:43,307
Speaker 19: in the past we've got closest maybe because we've scored

881
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:45,187
Speaker 19: a try against the run of player kind of sneaked

882
00:44:45,267 --> 00:44:47,587
Speaker 19: up on you. But as this time he kind of felt, you'll,

883
00:44:48,507 --> 00:44:52,547
Speaker 19: felt like we'd we would finally crossed that final step,

884
00:44:52,627 --> 00:44:53,507
Speaker 19: but didn't quite make it.

885
00:44:54,107 --> 00:44:57,227
Speaker 3: So what was it that prevented that from happening? Have

886
00:44:57,307 --> 00:44:59,467
Speaker 3: you been able to sort of analyze and break down

887
00:44:59,907 --> 00:45:02,187
Speaker 3: what happened that that allowed the All Blacks to get

888
00:45:02,187 --> 00:45:02,867
Speaker 3: away with this one?

889
00:45:03,747 --> 00:45:05,307
Speaker 19: Yeah, we talked about it a bit after the game.

890
00:45:05,387 --> 00:45:07,467
Speaker 19: I think it was it was a fifty twenty two

891
00:45:07,507 --> 00:45:10,987
Speaker 19: from Demon McKenzie. I think Deamon McKenzie, you know it's

892
00:45:11,027 --> 00:45:13,627
Speaker 19: Jonny called it a gut punch, you know, and they

893
00:45:13,707 --> 00:45:16,227
Speaker 19: scored to try himself for this amazing finish at the end.

894
00:45:16,387 --> 00:45:19,387
Speaker 19: So I mean, I don't think, you know, we worried

895
00:45:19,387 --> 00:45:20,987
Speaker 19: that Scotland are bottler as we talk about, you know,

896
00:45:21,027 --> 00:45:23,267
Speaker 19: we bottled big games I think actually you have to

897
00:45:23,307 --> 00:45:25,147
Speaker 19: give credit to all blacks. Their bench had a big

898
00:45:25,227 --> 00:45:27,707
Speaker 19: impact and Damon McKenzie was the man for the moment

899
00:45:27,787 --> 00:45:31,227
Speaker 19: in fairness, So in that sense, while we're gutted, I

900
00:45:31,347 --> 00:45:34,107
Speaker 19: think it's slightly easier to take that. You know, it

901
00:45:34,267 --> 00:45:37,387
Speaker 19: was just in the end probably the better team one.

902
00:45:38,107 --> 00:45:40,107
Speaker 3: What did you say from the Scottish stade that led

903
00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:43,067
Speaker 3: them to come back from seventeen nail down to level

904
00:45:43,107 --> 00:45:43,987
Speaker 3: things up at seventeen?

905
00:45:44,067 --> 00:45:51,107
Speaker 19: All bush and knew the answer. I mean halftime, you

906
00:45:51,187 --> 00:45:52,707
Speaker 19: know you're thinking this is you know, this is dead

907
00:45:52,747 --> 00:45:56,227
Speaker 19: and buried. There are momentum team. These Scottish guys. They've

908
00:45:56,227 --> 00:45:56,707
Speaker 19: got a really.

909
00:45:56,627 --> 00:45:57,427
Speaker 20: Talented back line.

910
00:45:57,427 --> 00:45:59,787
Speaker 19: They've got guys, you know, game breakers in the back line,

911
00:46:00,187 --> 00:46:02,187
Speaker 19: and when they just get in the flow, they're just

912
00:46:02,267 --> 00:46:04,387
Speaker 19: really hard to live with. I think we struggle up front,

913
00:46:04,547 --> 00:46:09,307
Speaker 19: so you know, you know, I think it's just we

914
00:46:09,547 --> 00:46:12,627
Speaker 19: just need we need, we always need this kind of

915
00:46:12,707 --> 00:46:14,947
Speaker 19: flash of inspiration somewhere to get the momentum going. And

916
00:46:14,987 --> 00:46:16,987
Speaker 19: then when they're going, it's great, but we just don't

917
00:46:17,027 --> 00:46:20,187
Speaker 19: have that grunt up front to kind of you know,

918
00:46:21,227 --> 00:46:24,707
Speaker 19: you know, concept the tone ourselves almost which it sounds

919
00:46:24,787 --> 00:46:26,787
Speaker 19: quite harsh, but I think that's probably the reality of it.

920
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:30,267
Speaker 3: What was the injury situation with Finn Russell.

921
00:46:31,387 --> 00:46:33,507
Speaker 19: Yeah, so we spoke to Gregor tims In about it.

922
00:46:33,547 --> 00:46:37,147
Speaker 19: At the end, he's trained his knee. They don't think

923
00:46:37,187 --> 00:46:39,947
Speaker 19: it's too serious. You guys will be aware what the

924
00:46:39,987 --> 00:46:42,387
Speaker 19: good character of Finn is. So Gregor did come and see.

925
00:46:42,187 --> 00:46:42,827
Speaker 9: What Finn tells me.

926
00:46:43,227 --> 00:46:45,027
Speaker 19: And so he played on and I mean that was

927
00:46:45,067 --> 00:46:46,987
Speaker 19: early on and he played onto the seventy fifth minute.

928
00:46:47,307 --> 00:46:48,667
Speaker 19: The reason they took him off is he also got

929
00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:50,987
Speaker 19: an ankle knock after that, you know, towards the end.

930
00:46:51,067 --> 00:46:52,907
Speaker 19: So they'll think two injurviews will beginning to push for

931
00:46:53,027 --> 00:46:54,947
Speaker 19: luck here, and I think by that point we realized

932
00:46:54,987 --> 00:46:57,587
Speaker 19: that we weren't going to win it. But they seem

933
00:46:57,627 --> 00:47:00,987
Speaker 19: confident that it's you know, it's fairly minor and that

934
00:47:00,987 --> 00:47:02,787
Speaker 19: you should be available for next week or certainly not

935
00:47:02,867 --> 00:47:03,507
Speaker 19: out long term.

936
00:47:04,467 --> 00:47:07,667
Speaker 3: Will they be a degree of pride once the dust

937
00:47:07,707 --> 00:47:11,027
Speaker 3: sails on this on this die you know or there

938
00:47:11,147 --> 00:47:13,707
Speaker 3: was frustration, yes, but they'll be proud also.

939
00:47:14,747 --> 00:47:16,947
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think it looks like the headline for that

940
00:47:17,027 --> 00:47:20,507
Speaker 19: they'll sad line piece. It's pretty in frustration after all

941
00:47:20,547 --> 00:47:23,147
Speaker 19: of those lenes. Yeah, I think that's it, and I

942
00:47:23,227 --> 00:47:25,587
Speaker 19: think quite rightly. So, I mean, I think, you know,

943
00:47:25,627 --> 00:47:27,187
Speaker 19: you don't want to go seventeen mil down against the

944
00:47:27,227 --> 00:47:28,747
Speaker 19: All Blacks, but I think to come back from that,

945
00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,027
Speaker 19: you know, you have to you have to hold the head,

946
00:47:31,107 --> 00:47:33,067
Speaker 19: you know, and and to get the All Blacks on

947
00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:35,707
Speaker 19: on on the ropes like they did the huge amount

948
00:47:35,707 --> 00:47:37,347
Speaker 19: of pride. As I said, We've been close to you

949
00:47:37,427 --> 00:47:38,827
Speaker 19: guys in the past on the score, but we've been

950
00:47:38,827 --> 00:47:40,347
Speaker 19: ahead of you going into the final quarter. But I

951
00:47:40,387 --> 00:47:42,627
Speaker 19: think that was the first time where you really felt,

952
00:47:42,907 --> 00:47:45,787
Speaker 19: you know, that the Scotland were in control. So I

953
00:47:45,827 --> 00:47:47,467
Speaker 19: mean it's frustrating that we didn't finish it off, but

954
00:47:47,547 --> 00:47:52,147
Speaker 19: you I think, you know, it's a gallant loser things.

955
00:47:52,147 --> 00:47:53,667
Speaker 19: I think some of the more cynical Scotts are sitting

956
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:55,507
Speaker 19: here saying, let's not say that. Let's you know, we

957
00:47:55,587 --> 00:47:57,147
Speaker 19: need to be we need to be a bit harder

958
00:47:57,227 --> 00:47:59,147
Speaker 19: on the team. We can't carry on being gallant losers.

959
00:47:59,187 --> 00:48:01,067
Speaker 9: But I think we just have to kind of.

960
00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:04,387
Speaker 19: I'm more optimistic than that. So yeah, I think and

961
00:48:04,427 --> 00:48:06,307
Speaker 19: I think the player should certainly take a huge amount

962
00:48:06,307 --> 00:48:06,747
Speaker 19: of tide from it.

963
00:48:07,147 --> 00:48:09,307
Speaker 3: So and now we're almost in the midway point of

964
00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:11,787
Speaker 3: the of the World cap cycle. How do you assays

965
00:48:12,267 --> 00:48:14,667
Speaker 3: where the Scotland rugby team is two years out from

966
00:48:14,707 --> 00:48:15,467
Speaker 3: the next World Cap.

967
00:48:17,507 --> 00:48:19,787
Speaker 19: I have to say I'm a lot more optimistic now

968
00:48:19,907 --> 00:48:22,267
Speaker 19: than I was that took three or four hours ago

969
00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:22,907
Speaker 19: before kickoff.

970
00:48:25,467 --> 00:48:27,387
Speaker 3: I mean, we're in quite good.

971
00:48:27,627 --> 00:48:29,667
Speaker 9: We've got you know, you know, we're.

972
00:48:29,507 --> 00:48:32,067
Speaker 19: Missing Xander Fagus and the tight head prop today and

973
00:48:32,227 --> 00:48:34,467
Speaker 19: I have to say Darcy re stood up. But you know,

974
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:38,107
Speaker 19: we're We've got really good strength and depths a certain areas,

975
00:48:38,347 --> 00:48:40,907
Speaker 19: we're kind of thin in other areas. We still don't

976
00:48:40,947 --> 00:48:44,707
Speaker 19: have a pack that can dominate the position. So I think,

977
00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:51,507
Speaker 19: I think we're okay, We're okay, But yeah, I just

978
00:48:51,667 --> 00:48:55,147
Speaker 19: you know, the last two World Cups of you haven't

979
00:48:55,187 --> 00:48:56,507
Speaker 19: gone well for us, so I'm just I'm love to

980
00:48:56,507 --> 00:48:58,507
Speaker 19: get too excited about it at the moment, but we're okay.

981
00:48:58,587 --> 00:49:00,387
Speaker 19: I mean, it's the last it's the last roll of

982
00:49:00,427 --> 00:49:02,427
Speaker 19: the dice for you know, for this generation of players.

983
00:49:02,467 --> 00:49:04,827
Speaker 19: You know, Stuart Hogs already gone, but Finn Russell's thirty two,

984
00:49:04,947 --> 00:49:06,867
Speaker 19: thirty three. Now you know you'll be thirty four by

985
00:49:06,907 --> 00:49:08,907
Speaker 19: the saying the World Cup comes around, you know, we've

986
00:49:08,907 --> 00:49:11,267
Speaker 19: got to do it now, or you know, I think

987
00:49:11,627 --> 00:49:12,867
Speaker 19: you don't not do it. I don't think we're gonna

988
00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:13,907
Speaker 19: win the World Cup, but you know, kind of have

989
00:49:13,947 --> 00:49:15,587
Speaker 19: a real, a real go at it to get to

990
00:49:15,627 --> 00:49:18,947
Speaker 19: a quarter finals and this is this it's got to.

991
00:49:18,947 --> 00:49:21,307
Speaker 3: Be now and never really I think for us and

992
00:49:21,467 --> 00:49:25,227
Speaker 3: Murrayfield as always just explained it from from twelve thousand

993
00:49:25,267 --> 00:49:26,787
Speaker 3: miles a while and now it's a place you've been

994
00:49:26,827 --> 00:49:30,387
Speaker 3: too often. One hundred year celebration this way, Kane, how

995
00:49:30,507 --> 00:49:31,227
Speaker 3: was the occasion?

996
00:49:32,147 --> 00:49:32,787
Speaker 7: It was? It was?

997
00:49:32,987 --> 00:49:34,107
Speaker 3: I have to say it was excellent.

998
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:36,027
Speaker 19: You know in that period in the middle of the

999
00:49:36,067 --> 00:49:38,827
Speaker 19: second half when Scotland or on top and there's a

1000
00:49:38,907 --> 00:49:42,667
Speaker 19: kind of impromptu you know, Flowers Scotland took off and

1001
00:49:42,707 --> 00:49:44,707
Speaker 19: it echoed around the stadium and it's as loud as

1002
00:49:44,747 --> 00:49:48,067
Speaker 19: I've heard that flower Scotland been sang at Murrayfield.

1003
00:49:47,947 --> 00:49:49,907
Speaker 7: So you know, it was. It was a great atmosphere.

1004
00:49:50,787 --> 00:49:53,147
Speaker 9: There's a kind of new kind of.

1005
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:56,427
Speaker 19: Matagment at the top of the SRU at the moment,

1006
00:49:56,427 --> 00:49:57,707
Speaker 19: and they have spent a bit of money kind of

1007
00:49:57,747 --> 00:49:59,667
Speaker 19: sprushing up the stadium and so it's looking a lot

1008
00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:01,667
Speaker 19: better than it was, you know, because it's an old

1009
00:50:01,707 --> 00:50:03,907
Speaker 19: stadium now it's forty years old. But it was looking

1010
00:50:03,947 --> 00:50:06,427
Speaker 19: great the atmosphere that that, and you see only to

1011
00:50:06,467 --> 00:50:08,067
Speaker 19: approach to spoke about it at the end that you

1012
00:50:08,107 --> 00:50:09,307
Speaker 19: know that was a heres on the back of the

1013
00:50:09,347 --> 00:50:12,507
Speaker 19: neck when in flur of Scotland was equing or in

1014
00:50:12,547 --> 00:50:15,587
Speaker 19: the stadium, and so you know, in that sense it

1015
00:50:15,667 --> 00:50:17,387
Speaker 19: was a great day to be Scotland fan at Monfield.

1016
00:50:17,387 --> 00:50:19,547
Speaker 3: I think brilliant stuff. Hey, David, thank you for joining

1017
00:50:19,627 --> 00:50:22,187
Speaker 3: us and staying up for us. David Barnes there out

1018
00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:24,867
Speaker 3: of the off side line, he writes for them, A

1019
00:50:25,107 --> 00:50:28,187
Speaker 3: long time Scottish rugby journalist joining us here on news

1020
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:30,587
Speaker 3: talk ZEDB one sixteen. Take a few more calls on

1021
00:50:30,627 --> 00:50:33,467
Speaker 3: the rugby before we move on. If we're able to

1022
00:50:33,507 --> 00:50:35,467
Speaker 3: get through between twelve and one, give us a bell

1023
00:50:35,507 --> 00:50:37,507
Speaker 3: now of eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So

1024
00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:40,747
Speaker 3: interesting listening to David there, isn't it. He's obviously been

1025
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:44,067
Speaker 3: watching Scottish rugby for a long long time. There was

1026
00:50:44,107 --> 00:50:48,307
Speaker 3: almost a hint of resignation in his voice, wasn't there?

1027
00:50:48,627 --> 00:50:51,587
Speaker 3: At times? There I mean, lovely guy, really good writer.

1028
00:50:52,547 --> 00:50:55,267
Speaker 3: It just feels like he echoes the sentiments of Scottish

1029
00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:58,387
Speaker 3: rugby fans. They must wonder if they are ever going

1030
00:50:58,427 --> 00:51:02,627
Speaker 3: to beat the All Blacks. They get close, they think

1031
00:51:02,827 --> 00:51:05,827
Speaker 3: it might be their day. I'm sure for large parts

1032
00:51:05,867 --> 00:51:09,227
Speaker 3: of today they thought today was going to be their day.

1033
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:12,067
Speaker 3: But they're just not able to get across the line.

1034
00:51:13,227 --> 00:51:16,507
Speaker 3: You know it must be it must be deeply, deeply

1035
00:51:16,627 --> 00:51:19,507
Speaker 3: frustrating to get so close and not be able to

1036
00:51:19,587 --> 00:51:19,827
Speaker 3: do it.

1037
00:51:21,347 --> 00:51:21,747
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1038
00:51:22,427 --> 00:51:24,907
Speaker 3: It just felt like he was speaking for all of

1039
00:51:24,987 --> 00:51:28,667
Speaker 3: Scotland there when he was talking about how they get

1040
00:51:28,747 --> 00:51:30,707
Speaker 3: so close, and he couldn't quite put his finger on

1041
00:51:30,827 --> 00:51:33,587
Speaker 3: exactly what it was that they needed to do to

1042
00:51:34,587 --> 00:51:38,907
Speaker 3: get that elusive win. And it's probably not one thing,

1043
00:51:39,147 --> 00:51:43,867
Speaker 3: is it. It's just a combination of circumstances that they

1044
00:51:43,987 --> 00:51:48,707
Speaker 3: have as yet not being able to combine. Otherwise they

1045
00:51:48,707 --> 00:51:50,867
Speaker 3: would have beaten us, wouldn't they They would have found

1046
00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:53,307
Speaker 3: a way. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1047
00:51:53,347 --> 00:51:56,347
Speaker 3: our number nine two nine to two For your text messages,

1048
00:51:56,907 --> 00:51:58,227
Speaker 3: We've got a bit of Alredo had to play from

1049
00:51:58,227 --> 00:52:00,387
Speaker 3: a couple of the key participants as well, but we'd

1050
00:52:00,427 --> 00:52:01,707
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. We'd love to have you

1051
00:52:01,787 --> 00:52:05,147
Speaker 3: as a participant on the show. John says Piney. I'm

1052
00:52:05,147 --> 00:52:07,627
Speaker 3: not sure why this was going to be Scotland's best

1053
00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:09,467
Speaker 3: shot ed one over the All Blacks? Was it just

1054
00:52:10,067 --> 00:52:13,867
Speaker 3: feel good? Hope? Because of the Murrayfield anniversary, hopes and

1055
00:52:14,027 --> 00:52:18,227
Speaker 3: dreams are easily dashed. Heaven knows that as a Wellington

1056
00:52:18,307 --> 00:52:22,787
Speaker 3: supporter of mine have been often love it, John, Thanks mate, Hello.

1057
00:52:22,707 --> 00:52:26,427
Speaker 11: Mike, good a good afternoon, Piney.

1058
00:52:28,627 --> 00:52:31,187
Speaker 3: What's on your mind, Mike? H I can hear your fine, mate,

1059
00:52:31,227 --> 00:52:31,987
Speaker 3: I can hear your fine.

1060
00:52:33,587 --> 00:52:36,827
Speaker 11: So I watched the game this morning and I put

1061
00:52:36,867 --> 00:52:40,027
Speaker 11: it with all the other games that you Zealand have

1062
00:52:40,147 --> 00:52:43,587
Speaker 11: played this year, and I've been very frustrated with the

1063
00:52:43,667 --> 00:52:46,227
Speaker 11: All Blacks and I'm sure a lot of other people

1064
00:52:46,747 --> 00:52:47,427
Speaker 11: have as well.

1065
00:52:50,507 --> 00:52:53,467
Speaker 3: What is that the heart of your frustration, Mike. What

1066
00:52:53,667 --> 00:52:55,467
Speaker 3: is frustrating you the most?

1067
00:52:56,507 --> 00:53:03,147
Speaker 11: Well, two things, really, discipline. It's costing us time and

1068
00:53:04,867 --> 00:53:10,867
Speaker 11: letting a decent lead disappear. And it's not against just

1069
00:53:10,987 --> 00:53:13,987
Speaker 11: against what we did to Scotland today, we did it

1070
00:53:14,067 --> 00:53:17,907
Speaker 11: against the Australians as well and South Africa. In part

1071
00:53:17,987 --> 00:53:18,747
Speaker 11: where I was at.

1072
00:53:20,747 --> 00:53:23,667
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you're saying, Mike. It's some of

1073
00:53:23,747 --> 00:53:25,627
Speaker 3: that of a conversation we we're having last hour, and

1074
00:53:25,747 --> 00:53:27,947
Speaker 3: that it's never felt the shear, as though the All

1075
00:53:27,947 --> 00:53:31,347
Speaker 3: Blacks have put distance between themselves and somebody else to

1076
00:53:31,467 --> 00:53:33,187
Speaker 3: the point where you feel comfortable watching it.

1077
00:53:34,187 --> 00:53:37,387
Speaker 11: Well, I've been listening to a lot of feedback around

1078
00:53:37,867 --> 00:53:41,827
Speaker 11: the game after Ireland, and everyone's just been so hyper

1079
00:53:42,027 --> 00:53:46,387
Speaker 11: about that last ten minutes of that game, and yet

1080
00:53:46,467 --> 00:53:49,347
Speaker 11: the rest of the game was very frustrating to watch,

1081
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:56,227
Speaker 11: partly because of a referee. But they're All Blacks. We

1082
00:53:56,427 --> 00:53:58,507
Speaker 11: hedn't get out of jail free cards, let's put it

1083
00:53:58,587 --> 00:53:58,947
Speaker 11: that way.

1084
00:54:00,227 --> 00:54:02,627
Speaker 3: You're looking for the complete performance, Mike. You're looking for

1085
00:54:02,747 --> 00:54:06,067
Speaker 3: that elusive eighty minutes, aren't you. I think we all

1086
00:54:06,107 --> 00:54:09,507
Speaker 3: are good to chat to your mate. Look this morning.

1087
00:54:09,547 --> 00:54:12,547
Speaker 3: In the first half, I thought after the first half

1088
00:54:12,707 --> 00:54:15,227
Speaker 3: was very encouraging for me, the early try, which kind

1089
00:54:15,267 --> 00:54:17,027
Speaker 3: of took the pressure off and took the crowd out

1090
00:54:17,067 --> 00:54:19,107
Speaker 3: of it a bit. Then the All Blacks were sort

1091
00:54:19,107 --> 00:54:22,747
Speaker 3: of bashing away at the Scotland line without being able

1092
00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:25,987
Speaker 3: to get past their pretty stern defense, and they decided

1093
00:54:26,027 --> 00:54:28,227
Speaker 3: to take a penalty make it ten nil. Scotland had

1094
00:54:28,227 --> 00:54:29,907
Speaker 3: a couple of chances which were held up over the

1095
00:54:29,987 --> 00:54:31,787
Speaker 3: line by good defense, and then the try right at

1096
00:54:31,827 --> 00:54:34,987
Speaker 3: the end of the half for Will Jordan. So seventeen

1097
00:54:35,107 --> 00:54:39,067
Speaker 3: nil at halftime, and you think, okay, this is going

1098
00:54:39,147 --> 00:54:42,347
Speaker 3: to plan. This is the plan, this is the all Blacks.

1099
00:54:43,227 --> 00:54:45,787
Speaker 3: The only little caveat was Leroy Carter's yellow at the

1100
00:54:45,867 --> 00:54:49,267
Speaker 3: end of that first half, which should have served as

1101
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:53,347
Speaker 3: a little reminder or a little cursory tale of what

1102
00:54:53,547 --> 00:54:56,027
Speaker 3: was to come, because no sooner had he got back

1103
00:54:56,067 --> 00:54:58,947
Speaker 3: on that Ardisav went off and then Ladder Wallace and Teetha. Anyway,

1104
00:54:59,707 --> 00:55:01,627
Speaker 3: it wasn't the performance. I think that we all hoped

1105
00:55:01,667 --> 00:55:03,587
Speaker 3: and Scotland got close because of that. But I thought

1106
00:55:03,587 --> 00:55:07,827
Speaker 3: the first half was pretty good, pretty good. Thanks for

1107
00:55:07,867 --> 00:55:09,147
Speaker 3: your call, Mike, Ben.

1108
00:55:09,307 --> 00:55:14,587
Speaker 20: How are you fine, mate? I'm actually bugging, mate, like

1109
00:55:14,627 --> 00:55:19,507
Speaker 20: I've been up since two o'clock. Just what a night,

1110
00:55:19,547 --> 00:55:22,467
Speaker 20: what a morning. The worst thing about my situation is

1111
00:55:22,507 --> 00:55:25,987
Speaker 20: I invited all the boys around for Kiwis and Sama tonight,

1112
00:55:27,147 --> 00:55:31,267
Speaker 20: and and I'm cooking, so I've been marinating meat. I've

1113
00:55:31,267 --> 00:55:33,987
Speaker 20: got to stay awake, mate, I've gotta I need something

1114
00:55:34,827 --> 00:55:35,667
Speaker 20: something else to get me.

1115
00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:37,827
Speaker 2: Through, but I'm not sure.

1116
00:55:38,747 --> 00:55:40,747
Speaker 3: I'm not sure marinated meat's gonna do it.

1117
00:55:40,867 --> 00:55:41,107
Speaker 7: For you.

1118
00:55:44,467 --> 00:55:50,507
Speaker 20: Were we're smoking meat again. But yeah, that's that's for

1119
00:55:50,667 --> 00:55:53,947
Speaker 20: six o'clock. Look what a morning, man, What a morning.

1120
00:55:54,027 --> 00:55:56,547
Speaker 20: And it sort of takes me back to the time

1121
00:55:57,307 --> 00:56:02,787
Speaker 20: I got when Ireland first beat the All Backs. We

1122
00:56:02,907 --> 00:56:05,387
Speaker 20: watched that game, washed that game with my mate same

1123
00:56:05,467 --> 00:56:09,347
Speaker 20: name as you, and we had our other two Irish

1124
00:56:09,427 --> 00:56:15,987
Speaker 20: mates there after they won, me me and me and

1125
00:56:16,107 --> 00:56:18,987
Speaker 20: Jay said to go outside for a dairy. But these

1126
00:56:19,027 --> 00:56:22,347
Speaker 20: two fellows were crying. They were crying and tears the

1127
00:56:22,467 --> 00:56:25,347
Speaker 20: joy man like, and you just really hit home as

1128
00:56:25,427 --> 00:56:28,987
Speaker 20: to how how much it would have meant. And I

1129
00:56:29,027 --> 00:56:31,387
Speaker 20: guess it'd be like, you know, I've had that situation

1130
00:56:31,427 --> 00:56:33,067
Speaker 20: where you had the big bully at school, you know,

1131
00:56:33,147 --> 00:56:33,787
Speaker 20: who always got.

1132
00:56:33,707 --> 00:56:34,147
Speaker 9: The better of you.

1133
00:56:35,747 --> 00:56:38,587
Speaker 20: You finally got the better and one day I don't know,

1134
00:56:38,987 --> 00:56:42,547
Speaker 20: like and you just you just you goes out like

1135
00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:47,507
Speaker 20: I'm twenty eight percent Scottish Ley, So yeah, you just

1136
00:56:48,467 --> 00:56:53,267
Speaker 20: they going going from what we've seen from Ireland and

1137
00:56:53,387 --> 00:56:59,227
Speaker 20: from Argentina in Japan over over the spring box that year,

1138
00:57:00,507 --> 00:57:03,507
Speaker 20: the day will come, The day will come, mark my words,

1139
00:57:03,547 --> 00:57:05,867
Speaker 20: the day will come and and the way they're traveling

1140
00:57:06,467 --> 00:57:07,307
Speaker 20: is in the right direction.

1141
00:57:07,507 --> 00:57:08,747
Speaker 9: Men, Like, what a game?

1142
00:57:09,187 --> 00:57:09,707
Speaker 7: What a game?

1143
00:57:10,107 --> 00:57:14,347
Speaker 20: All of One thing to summarized this morning's rugby for

1144
00:57:14,467 --> 00:57:17,707
Speaker 20: all teams is discipline, yew cards. They're going to kill

1145
00:57:17,747 --> 00:57:21,147
Speaker 20: you and they're going to or they're going to separate

1146
00:57:21,707 --> 00:57:23,867
Speaker 20: the Look at look at the spring box.

1147
00:57:23,987 --> 00:57:24,107
Speaker 7: Men.

1148
00:57:24,747 --> 00:57:27,747
Speaker 20: That just proves again why they're the world's best.

1149
00:57:30,507 --> 00:57:32,667
Speaker 3: But they got a recad, didn't they They got they

1150
00:57:32,747 --> 00:57:35,267
Speaker 3: got a recad. Luda Yaga got sent off, didn't he

1151
00:57:35,347 --> 00:57:37,067
Speaker 3: just right at the end of the first half, and

1152
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,867
Speaker 3: yet they still managed to win it going away.

1153
00:57:40,987 --> 00:57:43,627
Speaker 20: They still managed to pull it back in and that

1154
00:57:43,827 --> 00:57:48,907
Speaker 20: just shows you know why they are the world's best

1155
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:56,467
Speaker 20: at the moment. Yeah, what a what a game. I've

1156
00:57:56,467 --> 00:58:02,067
Speaker 20: seen that game against fig and yeah, that was that

1157
00:58:02,227 --> 00:58:05,067
Speaker 20: was a wicked game that follow I can't wait till

1158
00:58:05,107 --> 00:58:07,387
Speaker 20: next week, man, because we're going to get to see

1159
00:58:07,947 --> 00:58:12,187
Speaker 20: in raisers with the world's fastest man in rugby that's

1160
00:58:12,227 --> 00:58:13,067
Speaker 20: against the Arundel.

1161
00:58:15,347 --> 00:58:17,747
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a cracker, Ben, it'll be a cracker.

1162
00:58:17,867 --> 00:58:20,107
Speaker 3: Well I'm staying awake, mate. I wonder whether you'd have

1163
00:58:20,187 --> 00:58:23,147
Speaker 3: a little nap before the league. What are we won

1164
00:58:23,227 --> 00:58:26,427
Speaker 3: twenty four? I know you got to marinate the meat. Yeah,

1165
00:58:26,547 --> 00:58:28,947
Speaker 3: I worry about you, Ben, I worry about how you're

1166
00:58:28,987 --> 00:58:31,987
Speaker 3: going to be during this lead test, late mate. But

1167
00:58:32,067 --> 00:58:35,547
Speaker 3: begs for taking the time to call Yig stayed with

1168
00:58:35,627 --> 00:58:41,347
Speaker 3: England for cheepers an hour. They were twenty one eighteen

1169
00:58:41,427 --> 00:58:44,947
Speaker 3: ahead after an hour of that game this morning at

1170
00:58:44,987 --> 00:58:51,787
Speaker 3: Twickenham before unfortunately for the Fijians, England woke up and

1171
00:58:54,187 --> 00:58:56,867
Speaker 3: on they were twenty one eighteen behind. My apologies, twenty

1172
00:58:56,867 --> 00:58:59,507
Speaker 3: one eighteen behind, so they got within three with an

1173
00:58:59,587 --> 00:59:03,867
Speaker 3: hour with an hour played and then England just kind

1174
00:59:03,907 --> 00:59:06,347
Speaker 3: of pulled away from them. There's some interesting results this morning. Actually,

1175
00:59:06,427 --> 00:59:09,187
Speaker 3: I watched a bit of that France South Africa game

1176
00:59:09,667 --> 00:59:11,627
Speaker 3: as I was getting ready to come on the radio

1177
00:59:12,147 --> 00:59:15,747
Speaker 3: earlier in South Africa winning at thirty two seventeen at

1178
00:59:15,787 --> 00:59:19,067
Speaker 3: the start to France, it's a good win, yeah, they would.

1179
00:59:19,147 --> 00:59:24,467
Speaker 3: They went down to fourteen just before halftime. Lou Dieger

1180
00:59:24,587 --> 00:59:28,787
Speaker 3: was sent off for a shoulder charge on the head

1181
00:59:28,787 --> 00:59:31,907
Speaker 3: of a French player, but they still managed to get

1182
00:59:31,947 --> 00:59:34,947
Speaker 3: the job done thirty two to seventeen. Australia lost. It's

1183
00:59:34,947 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 3: a lee. Did you catch up with that? It's a

1184
00:59:36,867 --> 00:59:40,827
Speaker 3: lead twenty six the Wallaby's nineteen. It hasn't been a

1185
00:59:40,867 --> 00:59:43,267
Speaker 3: great year for the Wallabies. Hasn't much As we've talked

1186
00:59:43,267 --> 00:59:46,747
Speaker 3: about their improvements and how they look good in patches

1187
00:59:46,787 --> 00:59:49,867
Speaker 3: and how they got close to us in that test

1188
00:59:49,947 --> 00:59:52,587
Speaker 3: in Auckland and they could have would have should have

1189
00:59:52,587 --> 00:59:55,707
Speaker 3: beaten the British and Irish Lions. They still haven't had

1190
00:59:55,747 --> 00:59:58,827
Speaker 3: a very good year, have they. I just want to

1191
00:59:58,867 --> 01:00:01,587
Speaker 3: go back and check this. So they lost two one

1192
01:00:01,667 --> 01:00:03,667
Speaker 3: to the British and Irish Lions. Then they went over

1193
01:00:03,707 --> 01:00:05,547
Speaker 3: to South Africa, had that game in joe Burg where

1194
01:00:05,547 --> 01:00:07,667
Speaker 3: they won thirty eight two, and it was like right,

1195
01:00:07,747 --> 01:00:09,867
Speaker 3: this is Australia, this is US, now it's the Wallabies.

1196
01:00:10,067 --> 01:00:14,027
Speaker 3: Then they lost to South Africa. They beat Argentina narrowly

1197
01:00:14,147 --> 01:00:18,747
Speaker 3: and lost to Argentina, narrowly, lost to US twice, narrowly

1198
01:00:18,827 --> 01:00:22,547
Speaker 3: beat Japan, lost to England last week and hardly fired

1199
01:00:22,547 --> 01:00:25,627
Speaker 3: a shot and lost to Italy this morning. So it's

1200
01:00:25,667 --> 01:00:28,627
Speaker 3: hardly been a banner year for Australia, hasn't. They've got

1201
01:00:28,627 --> 01:00:30,987
Speaker 3: to pay Ireland in France they could lose those as well.

1202
01:00:32,347 --> 01:00:34,667
Speaker 3: Scotland will never beat us, says Mars. If they take

1203
01:00:34,787 --> 01:00:38,027
Speaker 3: pride in a loss, it has to hurt for them

1204
01:00:38,067 --> 01:00:40,627
Speaker 3: to want it more. Now All Blacks fan or player

1205
01:00:40,627 --> 01:00:43,227
Speaker 3: would take pride and a loss, correct Mars. But I

1206
01:00:43,267 --> 01:00:45,547
Speaker 3: guess if you're one hundred and twenty years without beating

1207
01:00:45,627 --> 01:00:48,987
Speaker 3: a certain opponents, you would be proud to get close

1208
01:00:49,027 --> 01:00:50,987
Speaker 3: to them. But I know what you mean. This one

1209
01:00:51,067 --> 01:00:54,307
Speaker 3: says the Scottish bloodlines and me say, geesez we couldn't capitalize.

1210
01:00:54,507 --> 01:00:57,787
Speaker 3: The Kiwi in me says, geez, we were lucky. Good text,

1211
01:00:58,187 --> 01:00:59,427
Speaker 3: good text, Frank.

1212
01:00:59,227 --> 01:01:05,307
Speaker 21: I mate, Oh hell Bunny, Yeah, I'm the warrior flag waiver.

1213
01:01:05,867 --> 01:01:07,267
Speaker 3: Yes, Frank, Hello.

1214
01:01:09,107 --> 01:01:12,987
Speaker 21: They finished up pretty well, didn't they anyway? The All Blacks?

1215
01:01:13,027 --> 01:01:13,227
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1216
01:01:13,347 --> 01:01:17,107
Speaker 21: I intended to get up this morning at four, but

1217
01:01:17,227 --> 01:01:19,947
Speaker 21: I overslept and woke up about quart to five and

1218
01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:23,027
Speaker 21: I turned my radio on and oh yeah, we just

1219
01:01:23,147 --> 01:01:27,427
Speaker 21: scored oh oh hang on seventeen mill. So I got up,

1220
01:01:27,467 --> 01:01:30,587
Speaker 21: made myself a cup of coffee, sandwich, sat down in

1221
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:32,747
Speaker 21: mel and turned the TV on. I'm going to I'm

1222
01:01:32,747 --> 01:01:34,947
Speaker 21: going to enjoy this because I had a bit, I

1223
01:01:34,987 --> 01:01:36,387
Speaker 21: had a bit of skin in the game, you know,

1224
01:01:37,347 --> 01:01:44,187
Speaker 21: and Bugger me what Scotland scott They've got. We opened

1225
01:01:44,227 --> 01:01:46,387
Speaker 21: the back door for them when we dropped when on

1226
01:01:46,547 --> 01:01:49,267
Speaker 21: the kickoff, but we opened the door for them, and

1227
01:01:49,427 --> 01:01:52,707
Speaker 21: boy did they come rushing in seventeen all. And I

1228
01:01:52,787 --> 01:01:57,267
Speaker 21: thought they had the momentum. They like swot I mean,

1229
01:01:57,507 --> 01:02:00,347
Speaker 21: it's probably like it all momentum, it's and they were

1230
01:02:00,627 --> 01:02:03,787
Speaker 21: just they were fizzing. But I tell you where the

1231
01:02:03,947 --> 01:02:07,867
Speaker 21: game changed. And I think it was Reiguard. That Scottish

1232
01:02:07,907 --> 01:02:10,627
Speaker 21: guy was going for the corner and Roy god flew

1233
01:02:10,707 --> 01:02:15,467
Speaker 21: across and the guy dropped the ball, didn't score. And

1234
01:02:15,587 --> 01:02:19,147
Speaker 21: then of course Mackenzie. I mean, I mean, he's well,

1235
01:02:19,227 --> 01:02:22,387
Speaker 21: he just had a game of his lifetime this morning.

1236
01:02:22,467 --> 01:02:24,987
Speaker 21: I mean that was that kick was brilliant. He scored

1237
01:02:25,067 --> 01:02:27,067
Speaker 21: from the kick and then he even scored a penalty

1238
01:02:27,747 --> 01:02:29,827
Speaker 21: and he had that little grin and I thought, yeah,

1239
01:02:29,907 --> 01:02:35,067
Speaker 21: that little grin, that's our win. But here I fell

1240
01:02:35,147 --> 01:02:39,107
Speaker 21: for the Scots because that really was their opportunity. They

1241
01:02:39,227 --> 01:02:42,627
Speaker 21: had the momentum. But well, the All Blacks, and I'll

1242
01:02:42,627 --> 01:02:44,987
Speaker 21: tell you one thing, Piney, I just didn't like the

1243
01:02:45,067 --> 01:02:48,347
Speaker 21: All Blacks playing in white, and I thought that was

1244
01:02:48,387 --> 01:02:49,147
Speaker 21: their downfall.

1245
01:02:50,907 --> 01:02:53,507
Speaker 3: The shirt color. Frank, Yeah, I know it's not. It's

1246
01:02:53,507 --> 01:02:55,467
Speaker 3: a bit jarring, isn't it when you when you see it,

1247
01:02:55,867 --> 01:02:58,027
Speaker 3: it's it's not quite the same. And I guess when

1248
01:02:58,067 --> 01:03:01,347
Speaker 3: we play Scotland, especially over there where you sort of

1249
01:03:01,387 --> 01:03:04,187
Speaker 3: give up that advantage to them with their darker shirts.

1250
01:03:04,387 --> 01:03:07,467
Speaker 3: Interesting what you said about when you tune. So, yeah,

1251
01:03:07,507 --> 01:03:09,747
Speaker 3: so the rest of us watched a seventeen n'l win

1252
01:03:10,187 --> 01:03:11,787
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks in the first time you hit

1253
01:03:11,827 --> 01:03:15,787
Speaker 3: to watch a seventeen eight loss to Scotland in the

1254
01:03:15,907 --> 01:03:16,547
Speaker 3: second half.

1255
01:03:17,387 --> 01:03:19,387
Speaker 21: I know, I've sat down and I was because I've

1256
01:03:19,427 --> 01:03:21,867
Speaker 21: said I do a little bit of betting. I'm not

1257
01:03:21,987 --> 01:03:23,987
Speaker 21: a big high roller, but I had a bit of money,

1258
01:03:24,627 --> 01:03:27,267
Speaker 21: and I just felt that we were better than Scott's.

1259
01:03:27,267 --> 01:03:29,307
Speaker 21: I just felt it was anyway, I knew the scotch

1260
01:03:29,387 --> 01:03:32,747
Speaker 21: had a couple of their top men out and I

1261
01:03:32,907 --> 01:03:34,707
Speaker 21: was going to sit down and enjoy it, and I thought,

1262
01:03:35,027 --> 01:03:39,787
Speaker 21: bugger what And then the game they scored what seventeen

1263
01:03:39,947 --> 01:03:44,707
Speaker 21: forty penalty I thought, oh, well, well, this is one

1264
01:03:44,787 --> 01:03:48,107
Speaker 21: game the All Blacks are not going to win because

1265
01:03:48,227 --> 01:03:50,747
Speaker 21: they're not playing in all black, They're playing in all white.

1266
01:03:51,587 --> 01:03:54,787
Speaker 21: And we know what all white means so. But anyway

1267
01:03:54,867 --> 01:03:57,627
Speaker 21: they got it, they scrambled out of it somehow.

1268
01:03:58,787 --> 01:04:01,227
Speaker 3: Good on your Frank, Hey, good summary, good summary, and

1269
01:04:01,707 --> 01:04:06,347
Speaker 3: I hope you did get some some proved financials toy

1270
01:04:06,787 --> 01:04:08,267
Speaker 3: at the end of it all, if you know what

1271
01:04:08,347 --> 01:04:11,067
Speaker 3: I mean. Good to jet to you, Frank. Finally, not

1272
01:04:11,147 --> 01:04:13,627
Speaker 3: sure what it is about the All Blacks this year,

1273
01:04:13,667 --> 01:04:15,507
Speaker 3: but it feels like we've gone backwards a bit. Weirdly.

1274
01:04:15,587 --> 01:04:17,507
Speaker 3: It seems to be linked with dmac off the bench.

1275
01:04:17,827 --> 01:04:20,907
Speaker 3: I'd like to see him start against the English next week.

1276
01:04:20,947 --> 01:04:25,107
Speaker 3: Our performances seemed a lot better when he was starting. Interesting, Kyle,

1277
01:04:25,147 --> 01:04:27,587
Speaker 3: because he's only, as I mentioned before, only started three

1278
01:04:27,667 --> 01:04:29,987
Speaker 3: Test matches. Just let me check the scores of those

1279
01:04:30,027 --> 01:04:33,547
Speaker 3: three test matches. He started at ten when we beat

1280
01:04:33,627 --> 01:04:39,907
Speaker 3: France twenty nine to nineteen in Hamilton. He also started

1281
01:04:41,347 --> 01:04:45,867
Speaker 3: against Australia in Perth at first five when we won

1282
01:04:45,947 --> 01:04:49,867
Speaker 3: twenty eight fourteen. His other start was at fullback against

1283
01:04:49,867 --> 01:04:51,867
Speaker 3: South Africa and Wellington, and I don't think we need

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Speaker 3: to reliittigate what happened there. It seems as though, as

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Speaker 3: I said before, the evolution of Damien McKenzie and the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks at the moment is to that twenty three

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Speaker 3: and I think if we crystal ball gaze a little bit,

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Speaker 3: that might not beat his detriment when Richie mor Onoger

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Speaker 3: comes back. At the risk of repeating myself, we all

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01:05:12,547 --> 01:05:18,747
Speaker 3: know that Scott Robinson is a massive fan of Richie Mortonger.

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01:05:19,867 --> 01:05:23,627
Speaker 3: So where does that leave Bowden Barrett as the starting

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01:05:23,707 --> 01:05:27,547
Speaker 3: first five for the majority of the test matches this year?

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Speaker 3: Boden Barrett has started nine test matches in the ten

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Speaker 3: Jersey this year. What does it mean for him when

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01:05:36,947 --> 01:05:40,867
Speaker 3: Damien Mackenzie stays in twenty three and Richie Mornger comes

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Speaker 3: into the ten Because I don't see a situation where

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01:05:44,347 --> 01:05:46,027
Speaker 3: you can have all three of them in the twenty

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Speaker 3: three unless Boden Barrett goes back to fallback. That's the

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Speaker 3: only way I can see it. Twenty nine away from two,

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Speaker 3: A few more calls and then James mcconey, Oh, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're back in a moment

1302
01:05:56,867 --> 01:05:59,707
Speaker 3: with more of your thoughts the Voice of.

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01:05:59,787 --> 01:06:03,627
Speaker 1: Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason

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01:06:03,707 --> 01:06:06,267
Speaker 1: Van and GJ Come the homes can use the other

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01:06:06,427 --> 01:06:08,467
Speaker 1: slowest trusted Oh Builder News Dogs.

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01:06:09,107 --> 01:06:10,987
Speaker 3: The twenty six to two. Good solid start from the

1307
01:06:11,027 --> 01:06:13,827
Speaker 3: black Caps in Nelson. In the fifth over they are

1308
01:06:13,907 --> 01:06:17,027
Speaker 3: thirty seven without lost. Evan Conway unbeaten on eighteen. Tim

1309
01:06:17,147 --> 01:06:20,547
Speaker 3: Robinson there on seventeen, so a good start for the

1310
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Speaker 3: black Caps. In Game three of this T twenty series.

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Speaker 3: Having won the Tyson elected to bat. Hello, Phil, Hi,

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01:06:26,667 --> 01:06:29,267
Speaker 3: Jason mate, very good, Phil, very good.

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Speaker 22: I watched all the sports and it also went into

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01:06:34,027 --> 01:06:37,507
Speaker 22: the stadium last night in Wellington, and I think that

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01:06:37,587 --> 01:06:39,987
Speaker 22: all Blacks were lucky. But the thing that's disappointed me

1316
01:06:40,187 --> 01:06:43,387
Speaker 22: most this morning, I almost have to have a second shower.

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01:06:43,987 --> 01:06:47,667
Speaker 22: I just was a little bit upset at the and

1318
01:06:47,787 --> 01:06:50,347
Speaker 22: the odds were down, you know, all Blacks were losing,

1319
01:06:51,067 --> 01:06:56,227
Speaker 22: and the Auckland AFC were down to ten players and

1320
01:06:56,547 --> 01:07:01,787
Speaker 22: up against Phoenix of course got twelve corners thirteen corners

1321
01:07:01,987 --> 01:07:04,187
Speaker 22: and they couldn't get it across the line, so that's

1322
01:07:04,227 --> 01:07:07,387
Speaker 22: their fault. But when when we're up again, all bits

1323
01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:12,267
Speaker 22: or whatever, the filth starts. It's like a self entitled arrogance.

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01:07:12,747 --> 01:07:16,107
Speaker 22: And it was a fringe and fringe and fringe yellow cards,

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01:07:16,187 --> 01:07:19,147
Speaker 22: yellow cards, yellow cards, two red cards at the stadium

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Speaker 22: last night.

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Speaker 20: These people have to get a grip.

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01:07:21,347 --> 01:07:25,267
Speaker 22: It's only a game. And pleased we won, but it's

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Speaker 22: only a game and they need to look at that.

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Speaker 22: I reckon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think something funny happens to

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01:07:33,347 --> 01:07:35,667
Speaker 3: human beings when they take to the sports field. Fill

1333
01:07:35,787 --> 01:07:38,147
Speaker 3: some human beings, I hasten to add, not all of them.

1334
01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:40,507
Speaker 3: I think they call it the red mist. I think

1335
01:07:40,547 --> 01:07:45,187
Speaker 3: sometimes sport can be very emotional, and sometimes that emotion

1336
01:07:45,307 --> 01:07:48,067
Speaker 3: boils over and what we get as storylines. Look, I

1337
01:07:48,227 --> 01:07:50,627
Speaker 3: was at the stadium last night as well, and yeah,

1338
01:07:50,667 --> 01:07:53,907
Speaker 3: I mean heck of an atmosphere. Unfortunately for Phoenix fans,

1339
01:07:53,947 --> 01:07:57,307
Speaker 3: they couldn't get the job done against an Auckland FC

1340
01:07:57,507 --> 01:07:59,867
Speaker 3: teams becoming a pretty tough proposition.

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01:08:00,267 --> 01:08:00,427
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the yellow cards this morning in the All

1343
01:08:02,427 --> 01:08:04,067
Speaker 3: Blacks game, I'm not sure that they were sort of

1344
01:08:04,747 --> 01:08:07,707
Speaker 3: what you describe as filth. There weren't sort of haymakers

1345
01:08:07,787 --> 01:08:11,587
Speaker 3: being thrown the you know, slightly different set of circumstances.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's a bit like arrogance. You know what, I

1347
01:08:14,347 --> 01:08:16,507
Speaker 22: mean to beat us, so we're going to infringe, So

1348
01:08:16,627 --> 01:08:20,147
Speaker 22: you can't. I love rugby, I bree you know, honestly,

1349
01:08:20,667 --> 01:08:22,827
Speaker 22: and there's plenty of that dished out from my games

1350
01:08:22,827 --> 01:08:24,987
Speaker 22: when I was younger and referrerings plenty of that. But

1351
01:08:25,107 --> 01:08:27,107
Speaker 22: the thing is that just disappointed me.

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01:08:27,307 --> 01:08:27,787
Speaker 7: So there we go.

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01:08:27,907 --> 01:08:28,667
Speaker 9: I've got that out.

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Speaker 3: Good on your film. Well, I'm I'm pleased to provide

1355
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Speaker 3: the platform for it. Always here for you. Good to

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01:08:34,987 --> 01:08:38,107
Speaker 3: hear from you. What are we twenty three away from too,

1357
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Speaker 3: James McCarney. Shortly, there's here from Artie Savia, captain of

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01:08:41,387 --> 01:08:43,187
Speaker 3: the All Blacks today. What was as overall summary?

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Speaker 23: We started well, you know in the first half and

1360
01:08:45,587 --> 01:08:49,107
Speaker 23: then black Rays I said, it's just you know, myself

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Speaker 23: getting a yellow card and you know he's got to

1362
01:08:51,947 --> 01:08:54,267
Speaker 23: be more accurate in those and those are just individual

1363
01:08:54,307 --> 01:08:56,787
Speaker 23: fixes that you know, we look hard in the mirror

1364
01:08:56,867 --> 01:09:00,627
Speaker 23: and do that. But that's footy and I'm just proud

1365
01:09:00,627 --> 01:09:02,947
Speaker 23: of the boys that we could have gone either way.

1366
01:09:03,387 --> 01:09:05,387
Speaker 23: In the crowd in the background, we ad to take

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01:09:05,427 --> 01:09:09,107
Speaker 23: a breath and move towards that pressure all that what

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01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:12,387
Speaker 23: the Scottish we're bringing to us, or we'd just be

1369
01:09:12,547 --> 01:09:15,267
Speaker 23: calm and then now our next moment and next moments.

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Speaker 23: And I thought we did that towards the end.

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Speaker 3: Ari Savia was yellow carded early in the second half.

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Speaker 3: What was it like watching from the synburn.

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Speaker 23: You as a leader, you're HEARDing on the sideline, But

1374
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Speaker 23: at the same time, you've got to come on and

1375
01:09:28,507 --> 01:09:31,467
Speaker 23: bring composure, bring energy, the right sort of energy the

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Speaker 23: boys need. And I thought that's what we did, not

1377
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Speaker 23: just myself, but bas and Dull while I was off.

1378
01:09:37,947 --> 01:09:40,387
Speaker 23: They lead really well. So first and foremost, not get

1379
01:09:40,467 --> 01:09:43,627
Speaker 23: carded and put our teams under pressure and then obviously

1380
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Speaker 23: just keep trying to stack moments.

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Speaker 3: Next from Adie Severe, how did the All Blacks let

1382
01:09:49,467 --> 01:09:52,507
Speaker 3: Scotland come back into the game from seventeen mill ahead.

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01:09:52,627 --> 01:09:55,507
Speaker 23: Yeah, we put it down. We dropped the kickoff right

1384
01:09:55,547 --> 01:09:58,467
Speaker 23: at the beginning, and then you know, just Scotland grew

1385
01:09:58,467 --> 01:10:01,267
Speaker 23: another leg. And it's a testament. I said it in

1386
01:10:01,307 --> 01:10:04,987
Speaker 23: the week their quality side seventeen up, they're not gonna

1387
01:10:04,987 --> 01:10:07,307
Speaker 23: they're gonna throw everything at you did parts of that

1388
01:10:07,387 --> 01:10:11,147
Speaker 23: game we didn't handle it. So it's on us to actually,

1389
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Speaker 23: you know, when we are in the lead like that,

1390
01:10:14,827 --> 01:10:18,267
Speaker 23: how can we be more ruthless because you know we weren't.

1391
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Speaker 3: And finally from Arlie Savia is there's still a degree

1392
01:10:21,387 --> 01:10:23,267
Speaker 3: of pride in the fact that they won the Test match.

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Speaker 23: I think we're sitting here and were acting like we lost.

1394
01:10:25,747 --> 01:10:29,227
Speaker 23: We won, and you know, as All Black that you know,

1395
01:10:29,347 --> 01:10:32,267
Speaker 23: we're really grateful and blessed. I know, and rugby, you know,

1396
01:10:32,307 --> 01:10:34,587
Speaker 23: you're never satisfied or we're never happy with for performance.

1397
01:10:34,667 --> 01:10:37,667
Speaker 23: But to come out of that and the special occasion

1398
01:10:37,707 --> 01:10:40,547
Speaker 23: it was for Murrayfield and as an All Black under

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01:10:40,587 --> 01:10:43,347
Speaker 23: what we under the pressure we were under, for the

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Speaker 23: boys to come out with the winners, you know, be

1401
01:10:46,067 --> 01:10:47,307
Speaker 23: really grateful and happy.

1402
01:10:47,547 --> 01:10:50,187
Speaker 3: That is the voice of Arlie Savia final a few texts,

1403
01:10:50,667 --> 01:10:53,747
Speaker 3: Michael says, gritty test, but kickoffs and high ball need improving.

1404
01:10:54,307 --> 01:10:57,347
Speaker 3: The Palms are going to pepper us with high balls

1405
01:10:57,427 --> 01:11:02,987
Speaker 3: next week, thanks Michael. From Rob, these teams are so

1406
01:11:03,147 --> 01:11:05,107
Speaker 3: competitive now and the All Blacks will have to work

1407
01:11:05,227 --> 01:11:08,187
Speaker 3: for every victory. Not perfect by any means, but plenty

1408
01:11:08,267 --> 01:11:11,347
Speaker 3: to work on with disruption through injury, but some great

1409
01:11:11,427 --> 01:11:14,227
Speaker 3: new talent coming through for the next few years. Patience

1410
01:11:14,387 --> 01:11:17,587
Speaker 3: and positivity is what is required. Thank you, Rob. And

1411
01:11:17,907 --> 01:11:20,867
Speaker 3: finally from Macca, binding on with Ben three point thirty

1412
01:11:21,067 --> 01:11:24,227
Speaker 3: out of bed this morning, cook breakfast for the four

1413
01:11:24,267 --> 01:11:26,627
Speaker 3: o'clock All Blacks game. Listen to your show while watching

1414
01:11:26,667 --> 01:11:27,107
Speaker 3: the cricket.

1415
01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:28,307
Speaker 9: Just top.

1416
01:11:28,547 --> 01:11:30,667
Speaker 3: My missus just dropped off the roast for a barbecue

1417
01:11:30,747 --> 01:11:33,787
Speaker 3: to cook. Everything done before six and then the Kiwi's Macca.

1418
01:11:34,107 --> 01:11:36,667
Speaker 3: Sounds like you're living my life. All you do is

1419
01:11:36,747 --> 01:11:40,307
Speaker 3: base it around sport. I don't mind it. Forty six

1420
01:11:40,427 --> 01:11:42,867
Speaker 3: without loss. The black Caps are batting first against the

1421
01:11:42,907 --> 01:11:45,627
Speaker 3: West Indies and Nelson in the sixth over Devin Conway

1422
01:11:45,667 --> 01:11:47,627
Speaker 3: and Tim Robinson getting the New Zealand off to a

1423
01:11:47,667 --> 01:11:50,307
Speaker 3: good start yet looks like a cracking day again. Nelson

1424
01:11:50,867 --> 01:11:54,067
Speaker 3: beautiful part of the country and they love their cricket

1425
01:11:54,307 --> 01:11:57,507
Speaker 3: in Nelson and enjoying what they're seeing. I'm sure we'll

1426
01:11:57,547 --> 01:11:59,987
Speaker 3: take a break come back. It's twenty to two James

1427
01:12:00,067 --> 01:12:00,907
Speaker 3: mconey after this.

1428
01:12:02,827 --> 01:12:06,947
Speaker 1: The Big Issues on and after Field call O eighty

1429
01:12:07,027 --> 01:12:10,587
Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Time and GJ. Gunner

1430
01:12:10,627 --> 01:12:14,307
Speaker 1: Homes New Zealand's most trusted home Builder, News Talks, BB.

1431
01:12:14,627 --> 01:12:17,067
Speaker 3: News Talks seventeen to two. John says Piney, can you

1432
01:12:17,147 --> 01:12:20,387
Speaker 3: please say spoiler alert before you mentioned the cricket, otherwise

1433
01:12:20,387 --> 01:12:24,747
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to turn you off? Sorry, John? Okay, Hey, John,

1434
01:12:25,267 --> 01:12:26,307
Speaker 3: spoiler alert.

1435
01:12:27,547 --> 01:12:27,667
Speaker 2: One?

1436
01:12:27,747 --> 01:12:29,987
Speaker 3: How long we was supposed to give it all?

1437
01:12:30,067 --> 01:12:30,147
Speaker 2: Right?

1438
01:12:30,227 --> 01:12:31,787
Speaker 3: John, you got your radio down? I suppose you have

1439
01:12:31,907 --> 01:12:33,867
Speaker 3: forty seven for one, the black Caps forty seven for

1440
01:12:33,947 --> 01:12:36,507
Speaker 3: one to Robinson's out court and bold for twenty three

1441
01:12:36,987 --> 01:12:39,867
Speaker 3: right and Ravender out to join Devin Conway and coming

1442
01:12:39,907 --> 01:12:41,787
Speaker 3: towards the end of the sixth over forty seven for one.

1443
01:12:41,987 --> 01:12:43,507
Speaker 3: They used to do that on TV, didn't they. They

1444
01:12:43,587 --> 01:12:45,107
Speaker 3: used to say, if you don't want to know the score,

1445
01:12:45,227 --> 01:12:47,307
Speaker 3: look away now, and then they put it up on

1446
01:12:47,347 --> 01:12:50,067
Speaker 3: the screen. You remember that, James Maconey, would you?

1447
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:53,187
Speaker 9: Yes, that's right, Yeah, there's all I mean, look, how

1448
01:12:53,227 --> 01:12:56,107
Speaker 9: many spoilers we are we looking after here? You know,

1449
01:12:56,427 --> 01:12:59,547
Speaker 9: Like I think for movies it's fair, but for live sport,

1450
01:12:59,587 --> 01:13:01,427
Speaker 9: when you're listening to a sports show, I don't think

1451
01:13:01,427 --> 01:13:03,907
Speaker 9: you can ask the host that they have no spoilers.

1452
01:13:04,027 --> 01:13:06,907
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I haven't given away the ending. Yeah, haven't

1453
01:13:06,907 --> 01:13:09,587
Speaker 3: given by the ending to six cents or anything like that,

1454
01:13:09,707 --> 01:13:09,907
Speaker 3: have I?

1455
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:12,467
Speaker 9: Exactly? Yeah, it's right if you Yeah, we're not going

1456
01:13:12,507 --> 01:13:15,107
Speaker 9: to give away the end, the twist and sixtense, so

1457
01:13:15,267 --> 01:13:18,987
Speaker 9: you're safe out there, but you might give a cricket

1458
01:13:19,027 --> 01:13:21,107
Speaker 9: score okay, so yeah, it's fine.

1459
01:13:22,067 --> 01:13:23,547
Speaker 3: Did you think there was going to be a twist

1460
01:13:23,747 --> 01:13:26,187
Speaker 3: in the All Blacks Scotland game? Did you think that

1461
01:13:26,707 --> 01:13:29,867
Speaker 3: Scotland might finally get that elusive victory this morning?

1462
01:13:30,827 --> 01:13:33,227
Speaker 9: Well, there was a worry that third quarter with the

1463
01:13:33,507 --> 01:13:37,107
Speaker 9: Scottish attack what I would describe as high octane, one

1464
01:13:37,147 --> 01:13:41,667
Speaker 9: out running where look, when they lift the tempo like that,

1465
01:13:41,947 --> 01:13:45,067
Speaker 9: I think it's hard for any team to withstand that.

1466
01:13:45,227 --> 01:13:47,387
Speaker 9: But the All Blacks, I thought they showed a lot

1467
01:13:47,467 --> 01:13:50,947
Speaker 9: of resolve though super plucky on defense. The way that

1468
01:13:51,067 --> 01:13:54,107
Speaker 9: when they did come in waves that you know, some

1469
01:13:54,267 --> 01:13:57,787
Speaker 9: of our defense, some of the tackles from Larkeye wallas

1470
01:13:57,827 --> 01:14:00,347
Speaker 9: a Tt while he was on there, and others in

1471
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Speaker 9: the forwards as well, I just thought was really impressive.

1472
01:14:03,467 --> 01:14:07,747
Speaker 9: And I think we now it talks about moments, and

1473
01:14:07,867 --> 01:14:10,107
Speaker 9: I think all your callers have talked about several of

1474
01:14:10,507 --> 01:14:13,827
Speaker 9: those moments, and the ones that stand out for me

1475
01:14:14,027 --> 01:14:17,467
Speaker 9: were the turnovers from Larky and Leicester Farreing, the mccoup,

1476
01:14:18,787 --> 01:14:22,667
Speaker 9: the trysaver from Camroy guard and then those three moments

1477
01:14:22,747 --> 01:14:24,947
Speaker 9: from Damien McKenzie who won us the game.

1478
01:14:25,547 --> 01:14:29,747
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no moments and amongst an earty minute game

1479
01:14:29,867 --> 01:14:32,387
Speaker 3: year it's being on. Those are the things we talk

1480
01:14:32,427 --> 01:14:35,667
Speaker 3: about and the things that are so integral that fifty

1481
01:14:35,747 --> 01:14:38,267
Speaker 3: twenty two. I know we see the most games, right,

1482
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:40,587
Speaker 3: there's a fifty twenty two in a lot of rugby games.

1483
01:14:40,867 --> 01:14:43,707
Speaker 3: But just when that fifty twenty two came, and I

1484
01:14:43,787 --> 01:14:47,067
Speaker 3: think the demoralizing effect it had on Scotland sort of

1485
01:14:47,147 --> 01:14:50,027
Speaker 3: nearing the end of that game was pretty key was

1486
01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:51,707
Speaker 3: and I think that was the key moment.

1487
01:14:52,587 --> 01:14:54,347
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so too. And it looked like a

1488
01:14:54,427 --> 01:14:56,427
Speaker 9: set play to me. It looked like they didn't want

1489
01:14:56,427 --> 01:15:00,667
Speaker 9: to cross the halfway line, therefore giving McKenzie the opportunity

1490
01:15:00,907 --> 01:15:03,267
Speaker 9: to kick the fifty twenty two. Of course there's not

1491
01:15:03,347 --> 01:15:06,187
Speaker 9: that far the actual to be able to kick those.

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Speaker 9: I've seen him kicked by accident Peter o'mony at sky

1493
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Speaker 9: Stadium in Wellington Springs to mind an accidental fifty twenty two.

1494
01:15:14,227 --> 01:15:16,907
Speaker 9: So dmac was back on the ten meter, but landing

1495
01:15:16,947 --> 01:15:19,067
Speaker 9: it so close to the Scottish goal line was an

1496
01:15:19,187 --> 01:15:22,787
Speaker 9: absolute dagger and I applauded him he drew up that

1497
01:15:22,867 --> 01:15:28,547
Speaker 9: play because it did look really deliberate and d mac's contortionist,

1498
01:15:29,187 --> 01:15:31,227
Speaker 9: you know, like honestly, it was like something out of

1499
01:15:31,267 --> 01:15:34,107
Speaker 9: SIRCD a sole at and I mean, I don't want

1500
01:15:34,107 --> 01:15:36,347
Speaker 9: to get into my dating history, but there was this one.

1501
01:15:36,427 --> 01:15:40,107
Speaker 9: No anyway, it was like there was. It wasn' an

1502
01:15:40,147 --> 01:15:42,827
Speaker 9: impressive finish. I haven't seen anything like that in a

1503
01:15:43,907 --> 01:15:48,027
Speaker 9: big test. Just two players sort of swatted aside as

1504
01:15:48,067 --> 01:15:52,467
Speaker 9: he sort of slammed it behind his back. That was massive.

1505
01:15:52,667 --> 01:15:57,147
Speaker 9: And also a substitute winning man in the match. You

1506
01:15:57,307 --> 01:15:58,107
Speaker 9: hardly ever see it.

1507
01:15:58,707 --> 01:16:01,547
Speaker 3: No, it was a performance to be proud of for

1508
01:16:01,667 --> 01:16:03,027
Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie, that's for sure.

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01:16:04,427 --> 01:16:06,627
Speaker 9: Also, Pony, before we move on, I didn't. I just

1510
01:16:06,707 --> 01:16:10,787
Speaker 9: that one of your listeners was saying, maybe the theme

1511
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:13,627
Speaker 9: song for the All Black should be Yellow by Coldplay,

1512
01:16:14,107 --> 01:16:16,547
Speaker 9: and I have pens and lyrics if you'd like to

1513
01:16:16,747 --> 01:16:19,987
Speaker 9: hear it listens for that listener. I'd love to get dedications.

1514
01:16:20,507 --> 01:16:22,827
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Here we go.

1515
01:16:23,627 --> 01:16:27,867
Speaker 12: Look at the cards, the ones the red shows you

1516
01:16:29,027 --> 01:16:32,427
Speaker 12: for all the scenes that you do, and they were

1517
01:16:32,507 --> 01:16:37,627
Speaker 12: all yellow. You trip, the guy, collapse, the mall or

1518
01:16:37,787 --> 01:16:42,547
Speaker 12: two slap down, a past day through and you got

1519
01:16:42,587 --> 01:16:43,307
Speaker 12: show yellow.

1520
01:16:45,347 --> 01:16:49,187
Speaker 3: That is utterly, brilliant, utterly, I just I just know

1521
01:16:49,307 --> 01:16:50,867
Speaker 3: that's what we're going to be hearing on Craig goes

1522
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:53,027
Speaker 3: well tomorrow night, surely or is it just is it

1523
01:16:53,227 --> 01:16:53,747
Speaker 3: just for us?

1524
01:16:54,707 --> 01:16:57,467
Speaker 9: It's just me? Do you want exclusives? It be exclusive.

1525
01:16:58,107 --> 01:17:03,947
Speaker 3: I'm so proud to get it. That's magnificent stuff. I'll

1526
01:17:04,467 --> 01:17:06,627
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning on the I'll Live None of Our morning

1527
01:17:06,627 --> 01:17:09,587
Speaker 3: on the ten past eight commentary box and say hey, Mike,

1528
01:17:09,747 --> 01:17:11,227
Speaker 3: I've got a little song for you.

1529
01:17:12,307 --> 01:17:14,067
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I'll love it.

1530
01:17:14,747 --> 01:17:18,507
Speaker 3: Speaking of yellow and yellow fever segue there for you,

1531
01:17:18,587 --> 01:17:19,987
Speaker 3: do you think the Phoenix will level win one of

1532
01:17:20,027 --> 01:17:20,627
Speaker 3: these derbies?

1533
01:17:22,147 --> 01:17:24,787
Speaker 9: Yes, they will. I thought they were pretty impressive. I've

1534
01:17:24,867 --> 01:17:27,907
Speaker 9: never heard the term high line mentioned so many times

1535
01:17:28,427 --> 01:17:32,867
Speaker 9: in commentary Pinty, but you're definitely If you're playing a

1536
01:17:32,947 --> 01:17:35,227
Speaker 9: drinking game where you mentioned high line, I think there'll

1537
01:17:35,267 --> 01:17:37,787
Speaker 9: be a few inebriated spectators, don't you think.

1538
01:17:38,227 --> 01:17:38,427
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1539
01:17:38,627 --> 01:17:41,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it is a talking point, isn't it, Especially

1540
01:17:41,307 --> 01:17:43,747
Speaker 3: when the high line lets you down after twenty eight

1541
01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:45,587
Speaker 3: seconds and it.

1542
01:17:45,667 --> 01:17:47,747
Speaker 9: Is it's a danger, right, this is the whole thing.

1543
01:17:47,827 --> 01:17:49,667
Speaker 9: And it's happened to them again. I mean, well it

1544
01:17:49,787 --> 01:17:52,947
Speaker 9: happened against Perth and now we see it. And of

1545
01:17:52,987 --> 01:17:55,387
Speaker 9: course what we're talking about is where the defense are

1546
01:17:55,387 --> 01:17:58,507
Speaker 9: pretty much forcing the issues, standing a bit further forward

1547
01:17:58,547 --> 01:18:02,787
Speaker 9: than they normally would that defensive line and I don't know, Yes,

1548
01:18:02,867 --> 01:18:05,107
Speaker 9: it puts a bit of pressure on but I'll tell

1549
01:18:05,147 --> 01:18:07,987
Speaker 9: you what, it leads gaps and I think that it

1550
01:18:08,187 --> 01:18:11,507
Speaker 9: has to stop the high line. Once they get they

1551
01:18:11,827 --> 01:18:15,067
Speaker 9: come up with a compromise because they scored an absolute

1552
01:18:15,187 --> 01:18:19,347
Speaker 9: beauty of a goal. You can tell. I mean, where

1553
01:18:19,427 --> 01:18:21,467
Speaker 9: did they find this Nigerian striker?

1554
01:18:22,227 --> 01:18:24,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible. You know his last his last club was

1555
01:18:24,667 --> 01:18:27,587
Speaker 3: in Iraq. You've got to love football to play football

1556
01:18:27,627 --> 01:18:28,147
Speaker 3: in Iraq.

1557
01:18:29,227 --> 01:18:31,107
Speaker 9: That's what he's played for all the OLS. You know

1558
01:18:31,307 --> 01:18:35,027
Speaker 9: that our every club begins with OL. You know call

1559
01:18:35,107 --> 01:18:37,427
Speaker 9: me al So I mean the one thing with the

1560
01:18:37,547 --> 01:18:39,747
Speaker 9: with the phoenix that I think, and you've got Steve

1561
01:18:39,827 --> 01:18:43,387
Speaker 9: Corriker I think coming up. I'm not sure, but he

1562
01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:48,747
Speaker 9: after two he's a stern fellow and I think of

1563
01:18:48,787 --> 01:18:50,707
Speaker 9: it a fair fact that helps when it comes down

1564
01:18:50,787 --> 01:18:54,067
Speaker 9: to closing out big games like that. And I mean

1565
01:18:54,347 --> 01:18:57,027
Speaker 9: chief he is lovely, lovely man. But you know there's

1566
01:18:57,067 --> 01:19:01,347
Speaker 9: there's that and also just leadership and that that's where

1567
01:19:01,467 --> 01:19:04,867
Speaker 9: how Aukan they see based their team. Orki Sakai, a

1568
01:19:04,947 --> 01:19:06,987
Speaker 9: few others, a few key people. All that they got

1569
01:19:07,027 --> 01:19:11,347
Speaker 9: in there the strata, we sort of solidify their team,

1570
01:19:11,547 --> 01:19:15,867
Speaker 9: Whereas I think Wellington, apart from Alex Rufer, there's always

1571
01:19:15,907 --> 01:19:17,787
Speaker 9: a bit of a bit of a movable feast and

1572
01:19:17,907 --> 01:19:19,827
Speaker 9: once they settle on that, I think it's a fair

1573
01:19:19,867 --> 01:19:22,187
Speaker 9: fight right now. I look forward to the to the rematch.

1574
01:19:22,267 --> 01:19:25,627
Speaker 3: To be honest, A couple of red cards shown last night.

1575
01:19:26,067 --> 01:19:28,427
Speaker 3: Steve Corker didn't agree with the first one. I'll ask

1576
01:19:28,507 --> 01:19:31,227
Speaker 3: him why. After two I think the logan Rogerson won,

1577
01:19:31,267 --> 01:19:34,467
Speaker 3: there's no intense but the outcomers he's he's landed as

1578
01:19:34,507 --> 01:19:37,467
Speaker 3: studs halfway up. Lucas Kelly healed shin. That was always

1579
01:19:37,467 --> 01:19:38,387
Speaker 3: going to be a red, wasn't it.

1580
01:19:39,147 --> 01:19:39,347
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1581
01:19:39,347 --> 01:19:41,507
Speaker 9: I think so. The one issue I have with with

1582
01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:43,587
Speaker 9: red cards in the A League is they're shown very

1583
01:19:43,627 --> 01:19:46,387
Speaker 9: easily to the New Zealand teams. But I've seen pretty

1584
01:19:46,427 --> 01:19:49,227
Speaker 9: much a shoulder charge it would be a sin but

1585
01:19:49,347 --> 01:19:53,467
Speaker 9: at least than most in either rugby code, and the

1586
01:19:53,547 --> 01:19:56,067
Speaker 9: player just wanders around like he's no big deal, you know,

1587
01:19:56,667 --> 01:19:58,907
Speaker 9: And they say it's shoulders, the shoulder, and it's like

1588
01:19:59,027 --> 01:20:01,427
Speaker 9: that's not really what the law is intended. It doesn't

1589
01:20:01,427 --> 01:20:03,947
Speaker 9: mean you can come in and absolutely take someone out.

1590
01:20:04,427 --> 01:20:06,707
Speaker 9: So I find that the physicality, yes, I mean you're

1591
01:20:06,787 --> 01:20:10,427
Speaker 9: right studs. When the studs are up and they and

1592
01:20:10,827 --> 01:20:13,147
Speaker 9: they really do some damage, then yes. But I mean

1593
01:20:13,707 --> 01:20:15,867
Speaker 9: there's a lot of stuff that happens in football where

1594
01:20:16,707 --> 01:20:19,547
Speaker 9: you know it is accidental, there's no malice intended, and

1595
01:20:19,667 --> 01:20:21,907
Speaker 9: then sometimes a red card just comes out.

1596
01:20:22,947 --> 01:20:25,267
Speaker 3: Just before you go key. We tour some more tonight

1597
01:20:25,307 --> 01:20:31,187
Speaker 3: in the Pacific Championship Rugby League final. Could this be

1598
01:20:31,307 --> 01:20:34,307
Speaker 3: quite close? It could be quite close. Could some more

1599
01:20:34,387 --> 01:20:34,667
Speaker 3: win this?

1600
01:20:35,907 --> 01:20:39,227
Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent they could? They blew it last time? Really,

1601
01:20:39,907 --> 01:20:41,307
Speaker 9: I think it was Dean Mare and to put down

1602
01:20:41,747 --> 01:20:44,507
Speaker 9: a pretty sharp ball. Had a bit of source on

1603
01:20:44,587 --> 01:20:47,587
Speaker 9: it really from Blaze to Lungey. But this is the

1604
01:20:47,627 --> 01:20:50,347
Speaker 9: whole thing. I think even Brian Taall had a chance

1605
01:20:51,067 --> 01:20:54,307
Speaker 9: in the dying stages of the early game amount smart.

1606
01:20:54,347 --> 01:20:57,227
Speaker 9: I mean some more do. That's a star studded team,

1607
01:20:57,627 --> 01:21:00,307
Speaker 9: so even those players have just mentioned there, you've got

1608
01:21:00,827 --> 01:21:04,067
Speaker 9: premiership winners with recent premiership winners, You've got Rogers, two

1609
01:21:04,107 --> 01:21:08,387
Speaker 9: Vasus she painhasses in there. That there's no weak links

1610
01:21:08,627 --> 01:21:12,067
Speaker 9: because even if you look at your house comb combo

1611
01:21:12,187 --> 01:21:15,467
Speaker 9: with Jerome Lewy joining Blaize to Langey, it's just really

1612
01:21:15,587 --> 01:21:18,787
Speaker 9: nice team to watch and so I think it will

1613
01:21:18,827 --> 01:21:22,067
Speaker 9: be an entertaining game. But the wonder thing about the

1614
01:21:22,147 --> 01:21:24,387
Speaker 9: Kiwis is they seem to be They've got a really

1615
01:21:24,467 --> 01:21:29,307
Speaker 9: tough heart to the team and the spine has seems

1616
01:21:29,307 --> 01:21:32,667
Speaker 9: to be operating just well enough. Phoenix Crossland will be

1617
01:21:32,747 --> 01:21:34,987
Speaker 9: in at Hoker, which has always been a little bit

1618
01:21:34,987 --> 01:21:38,067
Speaker 9: of a problem position over the years for the Kiwis,

1619
01:21:38,827 --> 01:21:43,067
Speaker 9: and you know kieren Fran just hanging on. But look

1620
01:21:43,427 --> 01:21:46,027
Speaker 9: for example of Jerome Hughes was fit, I'd say, hey,

1621
01:21:46,107 --> 01:21:48,427
Speaker 9: we're winning this, but right now it looks like it

1622
01:21:48,867 --> 01:21:51,147
Speaker 9: could be very close. I haven't written a song for

1623
01:21:51,227 --> 01:21:54,587
Speaker 9: this one, sorry Piney, but definitely worth a look. At

1624
01:21:54,627 --> 01:21:55,947
Speaker 9: six pm.

1625
01:21:55,747 --> 01:22:00,747
Speaker 3: On Sky what could I request a song about Wellington's

1626
01:22:00,787 --> 01:22:02,947
Speaker 3: high Line to the tune of Back in the High

1627
01:22:03,027 --> 01:22:05,187
Speaker 3: Life Again by Steve Wynwood. Would you be able to

1628
01:22:05,187 --> 01:22:07,387
Speaker 3: come up with song? I'm not not straight away, but

1629
01:22:07,507 --> 01:22:08,627
Speaker 3: maybe next week. I don't know.

1630
01:22:09,347 --> 01:22:12,547
Speaker 9: No, I'm happy to do that and quite speaking quite

1631
01:22:12,547 --> 01:22:14,507
Speaker 9: a high voice, Steve when would say asking a lot

1632
01:22:14,547 --> 01:22:16,147
Speaker 9: of me party but I'm happy to deliver.

1633
01:22:16,547 --> 01:22:20,187
Speaker 3: Okay, love it James. Always good chatting mate, James mcconey,

1634
01:22:20,267 --> 01:22:22,187
Speaker 3: big part of our Sundays six and a half to

1635
01:22:22,227 --> 01:22:23,947
Speaker 3: two weekend Sport news Talks. Here be three and a

1636
01:22:23,987 --> 01:22:26,867
Speaker 3: half to two. After two we'll focus on on the football.

1637
01:22:26,907 --> 01:22:29,827
Speaker 3: Massive drama, sporting theater of the highest order last night

1638
01:22:29,867 --> 01:22:32,467
Speaker 3: at sky Stadium in the Aleg Derby, Auckland f C

1639
01:22:32,627 --> 01:22:35,387
Speaker 3: keeping their one hundred percent winning record over Wellington Phoenix

1640
01:22:35,427 --> 01:22:37,867
Speaker 3: alive a two to one went over Wellington even when

1641
01:22:37,907 --> 01:22:41,027
Speaker 3: they went down to nine men coach Steve Coricker after

1642
01:22:41,067 --> 01:22:41,907
Speaker 3: the two o'clock news.

1643
01:22:43,467 --> 01:22:46,307
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

1644
01:22:46,507 --> 01:22:50,307
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on weekends sport with

1645
01:22:50,587 --> 01:22:53,387
Speaker 1: Jason Page on your home of sport.

1646
01:22:54,547 --> 01:22:55,267
Speaker 7: US Talk.

1647
01:22:56,627 --> 01:22:58,547
Speaker 3: Coming up two o seven. This is weekend Sport on

1648
01:22:58,587 --> 01:23:01,267
Speaker 3: News Talks. Heir b till three tip beverage after that

1649
01:23:01,347 --> 01:23:04,187
Speaker 3: with the weekend collector Steve Corecker standing by the chat

1650
01:23:04,267 --> 01:23:07,587
Speaker 3: to us Auckland FC head coach how happy is he

1651
01:23:08,507 --> 01:23:11,827
Speaker 3: after another Derby win last night to won over Wellington

1652
01:23:11,867 --> 01:23:16,187
Speaker 3: Phoenix with nine men at the end. Incredible scenes at

1653
01:23:16,267 --> 01:23:19,507
Speaker 3: sky Stadium last night. We'll get inside the Kiwis camp

1654
01:23:19,547 --> 01:23:23,667
Speaker 3: as well ahead of their Pacific Nations Championship final against

1655
01:23:23,707 --> 01:23:26,587
Speaker 3: Tour Summer just after six to night New Zealand time.

1656
01:23:26,627 --> 01:23:31,027
Speaker 3: This game's over in Sydney. Kiwi's assistant Steve Price is

1657
01:23:31,147 --> 01:23:33,507
Speaker 3: with us this hour as well. Keep you updated on

1658
01:23:33,547 --> 01:23:36,267
Speaker 3: the cricket text th Rehirpin. You just had a rowing

1659
01:23:36,347 --> 01:23:40,267
Speaker 3: club event at Hastings Market. We did a two hundred

1660
01:23:40,267 --> 01:23:43,587
Speaker 3: and fifty meter sprint race on rowing machines. One of

1661
01:23:43,627 --> 01:23:46,467
Speaker 3: our senior guys set a record and then this big,

1662
01:23:46,627 --> 01:23:49,787
Speaker 3: tall rangy guy turned up, jumped on and beat it

1663
01:23:49,867 --> 01:23:54,267
Speaker 3: by a second, none other than a cricket player by

1664
01:23:54,307 --> 01:23:55,667
Speaker 3: the name of Blair Tickner.

1665
01:23:56,307 --> 01:23:56,587
Speaker 7: Love it.

1666
01:23:57,987 --> 01:24:02,347
Speaker 3: Blair Tickner, fast bowler and pretty handy rower by the

1667
01:24:02,467 --> 01:24:05,987
Speaker 3: sounds of it as well. Your cause and correspondents continue

1668
01:24:06,027 --> 01:24:08,147
Speaker 3: to be welcome O. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1669
01:24:08,267 --> 01:24:10,507
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two if you would prefer to correspond

1670
01:24:10,587 --> 01:24:13,787
Speaker 3: by text. But as we get towards eight past two,

1671
01:24:14,027 --> 01:24:16,787
Speaker 3: as we always do at this time on weekend sport,

1672
01:24:17,027 --> 01:24:19,547
Speaker 3: it's time to catch you up on the wide and

1673
01:24:19,787 --> 01:24:22,747
Speaker 3: varied range of sport that's been happening over the last

1674
01:24:22,787 --> 01:24:25,747
Speaker 3: little while that you may not have had the opportunity

1675
01:24:25,787 --> 01:24:29,027
Speaker 3: to catch up on in case shemister. Starting with rugby League,

1676
01:24:29,627 --> 01:24:33,547
Speaker 3: an Ashes sweep for the Kangaroos, capped off by none

1677
01:24:33,587 --> 01:24:34,747
Speaker 3: other than Rhys Walsh.

1678
01:24:35,467 --> 01:24:39,147
Speaker 16: Walsh Walsh with the dummy Whals with this snap too

1679
01:24:39,467 --> 01:24:44,467
Speaker 16: hot to handle hoed just I s Australia's take three

1680
01:24:44,587 --> 01:24:47,467
Speaker 16: now series win to vncing scoreline.

1681
01:24:48,107 --> 01:24:49,827
Speaker 6: Even when they lower there on.

1682
01:24:49,867 --> 01:24:52,027
Speaker 16: The canvas, they've picked themselves up.

1683
01:24:52,867 --> 01:24:57,307
Speaker 3: I won this game and then Anakanton. In Football's Premier League,

1684
01:24:57,627 --> 01:25:01,227
Speaker 3: League leaders Arsenal And drop points thanks to a ninety

1685
01:25:01,387 --> 01:25:07,387
Speaker 3: fourth minute equalizer from Sunderland's Brian Brobbie is getting balances

1686
01:25:07,427 --> 01:25:08,387
Speaker 3: in their credit music.

1687
01:25:12,027 --> 01:25:19,827
Speaker 6: Jim Nashik sim Sasha minutes ninety four. The first team

1688
01:25:19,987 --> 01:25:22,867
Speaker 6: has scored two goals against last all this season.

1689
01:25:23,267 --> 01:25:25,147
Speaker 3: The point from the two wall draw though still enough

1690
01:25:25,187 --> 01:25:27,867
Speaker 3: to keep Arsenal clear at the top of the Premier

1691
01:25:27,947 --> 01:25:31,467
Speaker 3: League table. Meantime, Tottenham appeared to have stolen a late

1692
01:25:31,587 --> 01:25:33,107
Speaker 3: win from Manchester United.

1693
01:25:33,507 --> 01:25:38,627
Speaker 16: Out oddib sighted it aft and it's in for Tottenham.

1694
01:25:39,787 --> 01:25:47,107
Speaker 16: Risharlison with the final tenning touch two in seven minutes

1695
01:25:47,187 --> 01:25:50,267
Speaker 16: late on for s First have turned this around.

1696
01:25:50,507 --> 01:25:53,227
Speaker 3: But at the very last possible moment, man you, Claud

1697
01:25:53,267 --> 01:25:56,187
Speaker 3: Becker points, oh this is it, isn't it? Last opportunity?

1698
01:25:56,227 --> 01:26:01,467
Speaker 3: Today's United tense talk moments Bruner Fernandez corner and it's.

1699
01:26:01,427 --> 01:26:05,867
Speaker 16: Batiste the list and Manchester United may well have had

1700
01:26:05,907 --> 01:26:09,547
Speaker 16: the final word. The game had apparently slipped away and

1701
01:26:09,707 --> 01:26:10,627
Speaker 16: they have holed.

1702
01:26:10,427 --> 01:26:13,787
Speaker 3: It back in to Formula one. A sprint win in

1703
01:26:13,947 --> 01:26:15,947
Speaker 3: Brazil for McLaren.

1704
01:26:15,547 --> 01:26:19,227
Speaker 25: Morteletto has come to a standstill and the Senna SSEs

1705
01:26:19,827 --> 01:26:22,827
Speaker 25: and says he's okay, which is great news. It really

1706
01:26:22,947 --> 01:26:26,907
Speaker 25: is the great news. For Lando Norris. He's started on pole.

1707
01:26:27,187 --> 01:26:29,507
Speaker 25: No one's ever won the sprint from pole here before

1708
01:26:29,947 --> 01:26:34,587
Speaker 25: they have. Now Lando Norris wins the sprints in South Paolo.

1709
01:26:34,987 --> 01:26:38,027
Speaker 3: The main race tomorrow morning, with Liam Lawson seventh on

1710
01:26:38,187 --> 01:26:42,467
Speaker 3: the grid into International Rugby England finishing well to beat

1711
01:26:42,587 --> 01:26:46,507
Speaker 3: Fig thirty eight eighteen okay class looking to pick up Mangard.

1712
01:26:46,587 --> 01:26:49,867
Speaker 16: I've got a finger on it, Hortsmith fixed up, Smith

1713
01:26:49,947 --> 01:26:51,107
Speaker 16: treads it, fors.

1714
01:26:50,907 --> 01:26:53,987
Speaker 3: Off goes out and a here's lightning squid and he

1715
01:26:54,107 --> 01:26:55,587
Speaker 3: might want with the racer.

1716
01:27:00,107 --> 01:27:03,107
Speaker 11: The value on out and.

1717
01:27:03,947 --> 01:27:07,427
Speaker 3: Gas the spring marks overcame a red card to beat

1718
01:27:07,547 --> 01:27:12,707
Speaker 3: France thirty two seventeen. Look at there s Feinberg and Comazolo.

1719
01:27:15,147 --> 01:27:21,307
Speaker 3: That surely is it Reylex Jones celebrating with the new

1720
01:27:21,507 --> 01:27:26,187
Speaker 3: Centurion section. This second half from the spring books has

1721
01:27:26,387 --> 01:27:29,387
Speaker 3: been out of this world and a shock win for

1722
01:27:29,627 --> 01:27:31,187
Speaker 3: Italy over the Wallabies.

1723
01:27:31,307 --> 01:27:34,147
Speaker 26: Have the Italians got another trick up their sleeve?

1724
01:27:34,227 --> 01:27:37,867
Speaker 3: Men and shallow again drives straight and through. It sucks

1725
01:27:37,907 --> 01:27:40,347
Speaker 3: in Australian defenders. Has it sucked in enough?

1726
01:27:40,587 --> 01:27:45,787
Speaker 26: It might have You know, it might have NNI complete

1727
01:27:46,667 --> 01:27:51,747
Speaker 26: the Australian born wingers playing for Italy doubles.

1728
01:27:52,027 --> 01:27:53,267
Speaker 3: When it's down to the line.

1729
01:27:53,507 --> 01:27:58,227
Speaker 1: You made a call on eight Weekend Sports with Jason

1730
01:27:58,307 --> 01:27:59,387
Speaker 1: Pine News Talk.

1731
01:27:59,307 --> 01:28:03,547
Speaker 3: Zimby coming up twelve minutes past two. Unbelievable sporting drama

1732
01:28:03,787 --> 01:28:05,187
Speaker 3: in Wellington last night.

1733
01:28:07,187 --> 01:28:11,507
Speaker 4: As derby domination continues.

1734
01:28:12,507 --> 01:28:17,987
Speaker 3: But I dare you to have imagined this. I challenge

1735
01:28:18,027 --> 01:28:23,987
Speaker 3: you to find fitter sporting theater. Ten this awkand FC

1736
01:28:24,147 --> 01:28:26,707
Speaker 3: down to ten men with forty minutes to play, down

1737
01:28:26,787 --> 01:28:30,387
Speaker 3: to nine men with ten minutes to go, hanging tough

1738
01:28:30,547 --> 01:28:33,907
Speaker 3: and hanging on to beat Wellington Phoenix to one. Incredible

1739
01:28:33,987 --> 01:28:36,907
Speaker 3: night at sky Stadium Auckland FC head coach Steve Corriker

1740
01:28:37,427 --> 01:28:39,547
Speaker 3: is whether Steve congrets on the win? What was your

1741
01:28:39,627 --> 01:28:43,507
Speaker 3: overriding emotion when you woke up this morning and contemplated

1742
01:28:43,627 --> 01:28:46,107
Speaker 3: another derby win over Wellington Phoenix.

1743
01:28:46,867 --> 01:28:52,347
Speaker 24: Just tell how well the boys did really with nine men? Yeah,

1744
01:28:52,387 --> 01:28:55,907
Speaker 24: it's never easy. Obviously I've had ten men before and

1745
01:28:56,187 --> 01:28:59,867
Speaker 24: come away with a win. But with nine men, you know,

1746
01:28:59,987 --> 01:29:02,627
Speaker 24: you would think that they would overrun us. But I

1747
01:29:03,027 --> 01:29:05,307
Speaker 24: was just so proud really of the players and how

1748
01:29:05,427 --> 01:29:07,827
Speaker 24: they they performed under pressure like that.

1749
01:29:08,267 --> 01:29:10,667
Speaker 3: What is the strategy, as you say, it's quite new,

1750
01:29:10,747 --> 01:29:13,267
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's not common. What is the strategy with

1751
01:29:13,547 --> 01:29:14,667
Speaker 3: nine v eleven?

1752
01:29:15,907 --> 01:29:18,147
Speaker 24: Well, for us, you know, we like to keep the

1753
01:29:18,147 --> 01:29:22,747
Speaker 24: ex nice and compacts. We believe then if we get

1754
01:29:22,787 --> 01:29:25,027
Speaker 24: them out wide into the white areas and they start

1755
01:29:25,107 --> 01:29:27,547
Speaker 24: knocking crosses into the box and we have good bodies

1756
01:29:27,587 --> 01:29:29,467
Speaker 24: in there that we can deal with crosses, which we

1757
01:29:29,547 --> 01:29:34,907
Speaker 24: did and they For me, I felt really comfortable even

1758
01:29:34,987 --> 01:29:37,427
Speaker 24: with nine men because the way they were going about it,

1759
01:29:37,587 --> 01:29:39,747
Speaker 24: they were doing exactly that and I was quite happy

1760
01:29:39,827 --> 01:29:42,227
Speaker 24: with that. So it felt like, you know, our players

1761
01:29:42,307 --> 01:29:45,707
Speaker 24: were obviously up for the challenge. Defending one v ones

1762
01:29:45,747 --> 01:29:47,867
Speaker 24: in the white area was very good. But also when

1763
01:29:47,907 --> 01:29:50,867
Speaker 24: they did deliver balls into the box, normally we had

1764
01:29:50,907 --> 01:29:54,147
Speaker 24: the first contact. Sometimes they got the second one, but

1765
01:29:54,347 --> 01:29:56,707
Speaker 24: we had enough pressure on the ball to actually stop

1766
01:29:56,747 --> 01:29:58,827
Speaker 24: them from really getting any real shots off.

1767
01:29:59,467 --> 01:30:02,267
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the two red cards Dan Halls wanted

1768
01:30:02,307 --> 01:30:04,587
Speaker 3: to start with. I understand you might have had some

1769
01:30:05,107 --> 01:30:06,907
Speaker 3: contact with the head of referee on that one. Can

1770
01:30:06,947 --> 01:30:08,707
Speaker 3: you give us your view on Dan Hall's red card?

1771
01:30:09,827 --> 01:30:13,267
Speaker 24: Yeah, obviously Terry Mafflin's always in contact with John Moss,

1772
01:30:13,387 --> 01:30:16,187
Speaker 24: so yeah, we think it was a bit harsh the

1773
01:30:16,987 --> 01:30:19,507
Speaker 24: coup for a couple of reasons. I think Piper handboard

1774
01:30:19,787 --> 01:30:22,507
Speaker 24: handballed around the halfway line. I think when he first

1775
01:30:22,547 --> 01:30:26,787
Speaker 24: got contact of the ball, and that also you know,

1776
01:30:27,067 --> 01:30:29,587
Speaker 24: for me, I don't I don't really see Dan Hall

1777
01:30:29,667 --> 01:30:31,787
Speaker 24: as being the last man if you look how close

1778
01:30:31,907 --> 01:30:37,987
Speaker 24: Francis was to him. So whether you know and it

1779
01:30:38,187 --> 01:30:41,947
Speaker 24: comes out of this, obviously I doubt it, but you know,

1780
01:30:42,027 --> 01:30:43,467
Speaker 24: for me, it shouldn't have been a red card. And

1781
01:30:43,547 --> 01:30:46,627
Speaker 24: then really the logan one after that probably stabs from

1782
01:30:46,787 --> 01:30:47,427
Speaker 24: the first one.

1783
01:30:47,507 --> 01:30:50,987
Speaker 3: I would say, in what way, you.

1784
01:30:51,027 --> 01:30:53,667
Speaker 24: Know, just a little bit hard done. By I think

1785
01:30:53,747 --> 01:30:56,507
Speaker 24: with Dan Hall's one, so you know, he's just getting

1786
01:30:56,547 --> 01:30:59,707
Speaker 24: stuck in. Obviously he wasn't a good challenge. I've got

1787
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:02,627
Speaker 24: no problems with him being sent off with with that

1788
01:31:02,787 --> 01:31:05,707
Speaker 24: kind of challenge, you know, but I think that's a

1789
01:31:05,707 --> 01:31:08,547
Speaker 24: little bit of fresh stration as well from Dan Hawk,

1790
01:31:09,067 --> 01:31:10,307
Speaker 24: you know, being sent off.

1791
01:31:11,187 --> 01:31:13,627
Speaker 3: So will you can you appeal? Will you appeal? Do

1792
01:31:13,667 --> 01:31:16,027
Speaker 3: you do you expect that there that the red card

1793
01:31:16,347 --> 01:31:18,267
Speaker 3: for Hall, I mean for Dan Hall might be rescinded.

1794
01:31:18,947 --> 01:31:23,267
Speaker 24: Well, I'm not sure we will ask the question, but

1795
01:31:23,387 --> 01:31:26,547
Speaker 24: I think if you do appeal sometimes, you know, I

1796
01:31:26,627 --> 01:31:29,307
Speaker 24: think they can put another a week on. So obviously

1797
01:31:29,387 --> 01:31:32,827
Speaker 24: we don't want that, so but we're yeah, well we'll

1798
01:31:32,867 --> 01:31:35,747
Speaker 24: have some discussions about it and just see what our

1799
01:31:35,787 --> 01:31:36,347
Speaker 24: options are.

1800
01:31:37,147 --> 01:31:40,467
Speaker 3: Both of your goals came by virtue of breaking Wellington's

1801
01:31:40,547 --> 01:31:42,347
Speaker 3: high line, which has been talked about a lot. The

1802
01:31:42,387 --> 01:31:46,507
Speaker 3: first one inside thirty seconds. How specifically did you prepare

1803
01:31:46,627 --> 01:31:49,387
Speaker 3: to take advantage of the way Wellington defend.

1804
01:31:51,387 --> 01:31:52,667
Speaker 24: Yeah, we did a lot of work on it, to

1805
01:31:52,707 --> 01:31:55,267
Speaker 24: be honest with that. We thought that was their weakness

1806
01:31:55,387 --> 01:31:57,427
Speaker 24: and you know, we've seen from the other games that

1807
01:31:57,747 --> 01:32:00,507
Speaker 24: you know, other teams have had many opportunities from their

1808
01:32:00,587 --> 01:32:05,227
Speaker 24: high line and probably didn't capitalize as much for us.

1809
01:32:05,467 --> 01:32:08,507
Speaker 24: I think we took both chances exceptionally well. Jesse Randall

1810
01:32:08,707 --> 01:32:11,987
Speaker 24: was you know, he said, once he breaks the line,

1811
01:32:12,147 --> 01:32:15,627
Speaker 24: no one's going to catch him. He's so fast. And

1812
01:32:15,987 --> 01:32:17,827
Speaker 24: you know, I'm so pleased for him as well, because

1813
01:32:17,947 --> 01:32:20,667
Speaker 24: he's starting to add obviously goals to his game and

1814
01:32:20,987 --> 01:32:24,547
Speaker 24: assists now as well, so you know, he's worked really

1815
01:32:24,627 --> 01:32:28,267
Speaker 24: hard and he's probably, like I said before, he's probably

1816
01:32:28,307 --> 01:32:30,227
Speaker 24: been one of our best in pre season and now

1817
01:32:30,307 --> 01:32:32,987
Speaker 24: he's starting to show it in the league as well.

1818
01:32:33,267 --> 01:32:35,707
Speaker 3: I think they've given your second goal to Sam Cosgrove.

1819
01:32:36,027 --> 01:32:37,587
Speaker 3: I've checked it, I think now as well.

1820
01:32:37,707 --> 01:32:40,747
Speaker 24: But I think when I think so as well. But

1821
01:32:40,787 --> 01:32:44,027
Speaker 24: I think when it touches Sam, I think he's already

1822
01:32:44,027 --> 01:32:47,267
Speaker 24: in the goal, so I'm not sure who's claiming it.

1823
01:32:47,467 --> 01:32:50,627
Speaker 24: I'm pretty sure it's Jesse's goal, but yeah, I'm pretty

1824
01:32:50,627 --> 01:32:52,267
Speaker 24: sure Sam would probably take it if he if he

1825
01:32:52,307 --> 01:32:56,067
Speaker 24: could as well. But yeah, like I said to the players,

1826
01:32:56,107 --> 01:32:58,987
Speaker 24: I don't care who scores goals. It's just about making

1827
01:32:59,027 --> 01:33:01,827
Speaker 24: sure that the best person in the right spot just

1828
01:33:01,987 --> 01:33:03,987
Speaker 24: to play him the ball. And I think Jesse did

1829
01:33:04,027 --> 01:33:07,467
Speaker 24: that well, regardless of where he gets credit for the

1830
01:33:07,547 --> 01:33:10,747
Speaker 24: goal or not. Jesse Randalls build up to that second goal,

1831
01:33:11,027 --> 01:33:14,387
Speaker 24: as you say, he's electrifying, He's away from his man

1832
01:33:14,507 --> 01:33:17,227
Speaker 24: and there's no stopping him. Can you just spare his touch?

1833
01:33:17,427 --> 01:33:19,467
Speaker 24: Was his first touch was the one that set that up.

1834
01:33:19,507 --> 01:33:22,227
Speaker 24: He just brought it into his stride as he was

1835
01:33:22,347 --> 01:33:25,267
Speaker 24: running and then you know, the second one was a

1836
01:33:25,307 --> 01:33:27,787
Speaker 24: little bit heavier touch and I thought, you know, maybe

1837
01:33:27,827 --> 01:33:29,187
Speaker 24: that he could have been cut out, but it was

1838
01:33:29,267 --> 01:33:31,307
Speaker 24: perfect in the end. It was great.

1839
01:33:31,507 --> 01:33:33,387
Speaker 3: Can you talk a bit more about his development Steve?

1840
01:33:33,467 --> 01:33:35,467
Speaker 3: Last season, I'm just looking at the stands now. He

1841
01:33:35,547 --> 01:33:38,787
Speaker 3: played twenty times, but only six starts. You've used them

1842
01:33:38,787 --> 01:33:40,867
Speaker 3: from the start, and you've talked often about how impressive

1843
01:33:40,907 --> 01:33:43,227
Speaker 3: he's been in pre season. What are you seeing from

1844
01:33:43,307 --> 01:33:45,627
Speaker 3: Jesse Randal in terms of his development as an A

1845
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:46,467
Speaker 3: League footballer.

1846
01:33:47,267 --> 01:33:49,947
Speaker 24: I think with all young players when they start, and

1847
01:33:50,067 --> 01:33:52,907
Speaker 24: obviously for us it was new for everyone the A League.

1848
01:33:52,947 --> 01:33:54,747
Speaker 24: No one's laid in it and not a lot of

1849
01:33:54,827 --> 01:33:55,907
Speaker 24: them have played in it before.

1850
01:33:56,987 --> 01:33:57,587
Speaker 3: A young boy.

1851
01:33:57,787 --> 01:34:00,147
Speaker 24: He was picked up a lot of nig League little

1852
01:34:00,187 --> 01:34:02,827
Speaker 24: injuries and I think for me that's been the big

1853
01:34:03,627 --> 01:34:06,347
Speaker 24: turning point for him. He went away in the office

1854
01:34:06,627 --> 01:34:08,907
Speaker 24: and he's worked harder on his body to make it stronger,

1855
01:34:10,587 --> 01:34:12,707
Speaker 24: and I really think it's paid off. You know, come

1856
01:34:12,787 --> 01:34:15,787
Speaker 24: back really super fit at the start of pre season

1857
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:18,587
Speaker 24: and hasn't looked back. Really He's learned along the way.

1858
01:34:18,787 --> 01:34:21,067
Speaker 24: He's learning all the time. He takes everything on board

1859
01:34:21,147 --> 01:34:25,067
Speaker 24: and and runs with it. And that's what you really want.

1860
01:34:25,107 --> 01:34:28,827
Speaker 24: You want players that will take instructions and go with it,

1861
01:34:28,867 --> 01:34:31,787
Speaker 24: and he's he's doing that really well. Do you think

1862
01:34:31,827 --> 01:34:34,387
Speaker 24: he is putting himself back into the all Whites frame

1863
01:34:34,707 --> 01:34:37,867
Speaker 24: playing like this. I think by the time the World

1864
01:34:37,867 --> 01:34:40,027
Speaker 24: Cup comes, if he continues like this, he'll be definitely

1865
01:34:40,027 --> 01:34:40,427
Speaker 24: in the frame.

1866
01:34:40,507 --> 01:34:40,627
Speaker 7: Yea.

1867
01:34:41,027 --> 01:34:45,987
Speaker 3: Do you talk to your players about their international ambitions, Well,

1868
01:34:46,507 --> 01:34:46,787
Speaker 3: we do.

1869
01:34:46,907 --> 01:34:49,227
Speaker 24: At the start of season. We you know, obviously we

1870
01:34:49,307 --> 01:34:51,307
Speaker 24: want to know what the ambitions are, what they want

1871
01:34:51,347 --> 01:34:53,307
Speaker 24: to do in football, and we want to help them

1872
01:34:53,347 --> 01:34:55,467
Speaker 24: get to where they where they want to be. You

1873
01:34:55,547 --> 01:34:57,667
Speaker 24: know a lot of players want to play overseas and

1874
01:34:58,267 --> 01:35:00,187
Speaker 24: you know that's part of our club as well. We

1875
01:35:00,307 --> 01:35:03,027
Speaker 24: want to you know, get these young boys in, get

1876
01:35:03,107 --> 01:35:05,627
Speaker 24: them to do well, and obviously, you know, if Bill's

1877
01:35:06,067 --> 01:35:08,267
Speaker 24: other clubs as well. Can we go there, you know,

1878
01:35:08,467 --> 01:35:11,387
Speaker 24: to bring him to another club and to get what

1879
01:35:11,507 --> 01:35:15,667
Speaker 24: they want, you know, obviously all Kiwi boys want to

1880
01:35:15,667 --> 01:35:19,107
Speaker 24: play in a World Cup. Is a major opportunity for

1881
01:35:19,787 --> 01:35:23,027
Speaker 24: any player in and around obviously the A League at

1882
01:35:23,067 --> 01:35:25,467
Speaker 24: the moment to try and get into that obviously World

1883
01:35:25,467 --> 01:35:27,387
Speaker 24: Cup squad, and I think Jesse is going to have

1884
01:35:27,707 --> 01:35:29,827
Speaker 24: a good chance if he continues doing what he's doing.

1885
01:35:30,267 --> 01:35:33,307
Speaker 3: Jake Brimmer left the field with a dislocated shoulder of

1886
01:35:33,347 --> 01:35:34,507
Speaker 3: all the looks of it, I think popped out and

1887
01:35:34,507 --> 01:35:37,667
Speaker 3: they popped it back and again, didn't they see any update.

1888
01:35:37,427 --> 01:35:41,947
Speaker 24: On him, Steve not really. It's obviously like you said,

1889
01:35:42,187 --> 01:35:44,787
Speaker 24: he did pop out, pop back in. He wasn't in

1890
01:35:44,907 --> 01:35:46,907
Speaker 24: a lot of pain last night, so that's probably a

1891
01:35:46,987 --> 01:35:50,467
Speaker 24: good sign. He'll get some scans probably when he we

1892
01:35:50,587 --> 01:35:52,507
Speaker 24: get back to Aukland, just to make sure no bones

1893
01:35:52,507 --> 01:35:55,467
Speaker 24: are broken. If there's no bones broken, we're hoping he

1894
01:35:55,987 --> 01:35:58,467
Speaker 24: should be okay because we've got the international window as well.

1895
01:35:58,587 --> 01:36:00,347
Speaker 24: He can have that week off and then you know,

1896
01:36:00,427 --> 01:36:02,747
Speaker 24: hopefully be back in the frame for the following week

1897
01:36:02,787 --> 01:36:03,507
Speaker 24: against Brisbane.

1898
01:36:03,987 --> 01:36:06,947
Speaker 3: I guess worst case scenario if he's not, and then

1899
01:36:07,267 --> 01:36:10,627
Speaker 3: you've got the two red cards which may not be overturned.

1900
01:36:10,827 --> 01:36:16,467
Speaker 3: And at so Haul Rogerson, Brimer Sarki. If they're all out,

1901
01:36:16,747 --> 01:36:19,107
Speaker 3: do you have the depth to cover their absences?

1902
01:36:21,227 --> 01:36:23,907
Speaker 24: Yes, I think we do obviously. You know, Nando's a

1903
01:36:24,027 --> 01:36:28,707
Speaker 24: perfect replacement for Dan Hall, you know, so they go there.

1904
01:36:29,027 --> 01:36:31,067
Speaker 24: If Brimall was out, you know, we've got we've got

1905
01:36:31,267 --> 01:36:34,027
Speaker 24: a couple of options there. Cam Howison obviously he's played

1906
01:36:34,027 --> 01:36:37,107
Speaker 24: there before. Felipe is desperate to get back into the team,

1907
01:36:37,227 --> 01:36:41,907
Speaker 24: so you know, and then obviously Logan Logan was the

1908
01:36:41,987 --> 01:36:44,827
Speaker 24: starting so we've got a good depth there. We we

1909
01:36:44,947 --> 01:36:49,187
Speaker 24: haven't really played Liam Gilliam at this stage, so you know,

1910
01:36:49,587 --> 01:36:53,427
Speaker 24: players like that might get an option to get up

1911
01:36:53,827 --> 01:36:56,347
Speaker 24: to get game time and to show exactly what he's

1912
01:36:56,387 --> 01:36:59,667
Speaker 24: about this season. And you know, johnsy Bidoire is doing

1913
01:36:59,707 --> 01:37:01,627
Speaker 24: really well in the reserved team score of goals, and

1914
01:37:02,267 --> 01:37:04,147
Speaker 24: you know, might give him options up front as well

1915
01:37:04,187 --> 01:37:06,587
Speaker 24: if we need players to come off the bend. And

1916
01:37:07,067 --> 01:37:08,547
Speaker 24: I think we've got the depth in the squad to

1917
01:37:08,587 --> 01:37:09,427
Speaker 24: be honest with you yet.

1918
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

1919
01:37:09,867 --> 01:37:12,587
Speaker 3: Well, and just a word on Kellen Elliott, who came

1920
01:37:12,627 --> 01:37:15,507
Speaker 3: in to cover Hiroki sarkives absence. He did it, get

1921
01:37:15,547 --> 01:37:17,667
Speaker 3: it quite regular last season, you know, came on, always

1922
01:37:17,667 --> 01:37:20,267
Speaker 3: did a job for you thought he was terrific last night, Steve.

1923
01:37:20,267 --> 01:37:23,347
Speaker 3: You know, especially when you're down to nine. Another guy

1924
01:37:23,427 --> 01:37:26,827
Speaker 3: who you're seeing development and week on week Kellan Elliott.

1925
01:37:27,387 --> 01:37:30,707
Speaker 24: Yeah, Kellen has never let me down. You know, anytime

1926
01:37:30,747 --> 01:37:32,827
Speaker 24: he come on last season, he was, he was amazing.

1927
01:37:33,907 --> 01:37:36,387
Speaker 24: I think the last two games here he's really stepped

1928
01:37:36,427 --> 01:37:39,227
Speaker 24: it up again. Obviously want to try and get into

1929
01:37:39,307 --> 01:37:42,187
Speaker 24: World Cup squads. So but he just wants the opportunity

1930
01:37:42,267 --> 01:37:45,107
Speaker 24: to play. And you know, obviously, you know, I got

1931
01:37:45,227 --> 01:37:47,627
Speaker 24: to make the call when when Hiroki's fit. You know,

1932
01:37:47,707 --> 01:37:50,347
Speaker 24: it's never nice to you know, you've got a quality

1933
01:37:50,387 --> 01:37:53,747
Speaker 24: player like Kellen on the bench to come on, it's

1934
01:37:53,787 --> 01:37:55,787
Speaker 24: obviously great. But he wants to play as well, and

1935
01:37:55,867 --> 01:37:59,027
Speaker 24: I think he's really enjoying his opportunity at the moment.

1936
01:37:59,267 --> 01:38:00,827
Speaker 24: You know, he knows Horoki is going to be out

1937
01:38:00,867 --> 01:38:02,667
Speaker 24: for at least six weeks, so he's going to get

1938
01:38:02,707 --> 01:38:05,667
Speaker 24: game time. And I'm hoping he continues doing what he's

1939
01:38:05,667 --> 01:38:07,787
Speaker 24: doing because he's exactly been brilliant for us.

1940
01:38:07,947 --> 01:38:11,547
Speaker 3: Indeed, he has well another win four from four in

1941
01:38:11,627 --> 01:38:13,587
Speaker 3: the derby's Steve can't wait for the next one on

1942
01:38:13,707 --> 01:38:15,547
Speaker 3: December the sixth, and enjoy your weekend mate, and your

1943
01:38:15,587 --> 01:38:16,907
Speaker 3: week off. Thanks for chatting as always.

1944
01:38:17,187 --> 01:38:19,387
Speaker 24: Thanks thanks Biny, cheers mate, No, thank.

1945
01:38:19,267 --> 01:38:22,347
Speaker 3: You, Steve. Steve Kotaka there. He is the head coach

1946
01:38:22,387 --> 01:38:25,267
Speaker 3: of Auckland FC, who are top of the table and

1947
01:38:25,387 --> 01:38:27,467
Speaker 3: will remain there even with two games to play this

1948
01:38:27,547 --> 01:38:30,107
Speaker 3: weekend and ran four of the A League men's they

1949
01:38:30,147 --> 01:38:32,787
Speaker 3: will finish the weekend top of the table. Three wins

1950
01:38:32,867 --> 01:38:35,667
Speaker 3: in a drawer. From their four matches so far, there's

1951
01:38:35,787 --> 01:38:37,907
Speaker 3: three straight wins for them. It just feels as though

1952
01:38:37,947 --> 01:38:41,107
Speaker 3: they're picking up where they left off last season. Any

1953
01:38:41,147 --> 01:38:43,107
Speaker 3: thoughts on the football, I'll take them. Oh, eight hundred

1954
01:38:43,107 --> 01:38:46,227
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty nine nine two on text. Great

1955
01:38:46,267 --> 01:38:50,707
Speaker 3: occasion last night, A lot, a lot to take in.

1956
01:38:51,107 --> 01:38:54,827
Speaker 3: It just feels as though, very quickly this A League

1957
01:38:54,867 --> 01:39:00,587
Speaker 3: derby has become appointment viewing. We've never really had anything

1958
01:39:00,827 --> 01:39:05,827
Speaker 3: like it. Yes, there's been rivalries between you know, rugby teams,

1959
01:39:06,427 --> 01:39:08,747
Speaker 3: team's dembol teams and you name it. There's been rivalries

1960
01:39:08,787 --> 01:39:11,787
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, but this one has so quickly become

1961
01:39:11,947 --> 01:39:19,467
Speaker 3: this this passionate, fierce, energy filled rivalry that I haven't

1962
01:39:19,507 --> 01:39:22,507
Speaker 3: seen the likes of before. It's seven or eight hundred

1963
01:39:22,587 --> 01:39:26,147
Speaker 3: traveling fans there from Auckland FC last night, making all

1964
01:39:26,227 --> 01:39:28,187
Speaker 3: the noise in the world and why not, Well they

1965
01:39:28,227 --> 01:39:30,267
Speaker 3: went that noise at the end when they were seeing

1966
01:39:30,307 --> 01:39:32,227
Speaker 3: if their team could hold out with only nine men.

1967
01:39:32,347 --> 01:39:34,187
Speaker 3: But it was great to see them there and hopefully

1968
01:39:34,187 --> 01:39:36,387
Speaker 3: they'll get as many Wellington Phoenix fans going the other way.

1969
01:39:37,347 --> 01:39:42,067
Speaker 3: At the start of December two twenty three, Just updating

1970
01:39:42,107 --> 01:39:45,827
Speaker 3: you on the cricket from Saxton Oval one eighteen for

1971
01:39:46,067 --> 01:39:49,147
Speaker 3: three New Zealand and the fourteenth over Devin Conway, the

1972
01:39:49,227 --> 01:39:52,427
Speaker 3: last man out run out for fifty six, Daryl Mitchell

1973
01:39:52,507 --> 01:39:55,947
Speaker 3: and Michael Bracewell together New Zealand batting first one eighteen

1974
01:39:56,027 --> 01:39:58,667
Speaker 3: for three in the fourteenth back in a second inside

1975
01:39:58,707 --> 01:40:02,907
Speaker 3: the Kiwis camp ahead of Tonight's Pacific Championship Final against TOAs.

1976
01:40:02,787 --> 01:40:07,547
Speaker 1: Some more one grudge hold ten Gage Weekend Sports with

1977
01:40:07,747 --> 01:40:11,747
Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gunderholmes, New Zealand's first trusted home

1978
01:40:11,827 --> 01:40:13,547
Speaker 1: Milder News Talk Baby.

1979
01:40:13,787 --> 01:40:16,627
Speaker 3: Two twenty six, The Kiwis and Kiwi Ferns and Pacific

1980
01:40:16,707 --> 01:40:20,947
Speaker 3: Championship Finals action this afternoon. Kiwi Ferns against Australian jill

1981
01:40:21,187 --> 01:40:23,827
Speaker 3: Use at three thirty five. Then the keyw was against

1982
01:40:23,867 --> 01:40:28,747
Speaker 3: TAAs some more from five past six Kewit's I wanted

1983
01:40:28,787 --> 01:40:32,067
Speaker 3: to play on here now brown, steady and dummying. They

1984
01:40:32,147 --> 01:40:32,667
Speaker 3: look at cut of.

1985
01:40:32,707 --> 01:40:36,627
Speaker 16: Yacht gun besides to hold it entertaining rugby league.

1986
01:40:36,667 --> 01:40:38,747
Speaker 26: Here, here's the last, here's Martin.

1987
01:40:39,067 --> 01:40:45,027
Speaker 3: There's a tie yes day, that's tots it all right,

1988
01:40:45,107 --> 01:40:49,587
Speaker 3: deserves how bennetx Krassler, Kiwei's assistant coach Steve Price is

1989
01:40:49,627 --> 01:40:51,547
Speaker 3: with us. Steve, how pleased were your first of all

1990
01:40:51,587 --> 01:40:53,907
Speaker 3: with your performance? And then went over tong in Auckland

1991
01:40:53,947 --> 01:40:54,427
Speaker 3: a week ago?

1992
01:40:55,107 --> 01:40:55,307
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1993
01:40:55,347 --> 01:40:58,027
Speaker 18: Thanks having me on. Yeah, I thought it was outstanding.

1994
01:40:58,187 --> 01:41:02,387
Speaker 18: I thought it it started with the Kiwi mentality from

1995
01:41:02,467 --> 01:41:06,827
Speaker 18: the start. I thought that went went for the full

1996
01:41:06,867 --> 01:41:10,067
Speaker 18: eighty minutes. I thought were ruthless defensively, I thought out

1997
01:41:11,147 --> 01:41:13,827
Speaker 18: offensive detail around our structure on how we wanted to

1998
01:41:13,867 --> 01:41:17,947
Speaker 18: play the game was was was outstanding and then the

1999
01:41:18,067 --> 01:41:20,827
Speaker 18: crowd in the atmosphere was one of one of the

2000
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:23,867
Speaker 18: best atmospheres the boys have seen planning for a lot,

2001
01:41:24,027 --> 01:41:26,547
Speaker 18: very long time. So you know, credit to all both

2002
01:41:26,587 --> 01:41:29,707
Speaker 18: supporters from both teams and you know what a day

2003
01:41:29,867 --> 01:41:30,587
Speaker 18: was at Eden Park.

2004
01:41:31,107 --> 01:41:33,307
Speaker 3: So as you turn your focus to the final against

2005
01:41:33,467 --> 01:41:36,947
Speaker 3: Touras I'm alla this afternoon, what have you focused on

2006
01:41:37,067 --> 01:41:38,427
Speaker 3: this week in the lead up to this game.

2007
01:41:39,747 --> 01:41:43,467
Speaker 18: Yeah, the boys had really two really strong performances, first

2008
01:41:43,507 --> 01:41:46,107
Speaker 18: one against the Males, second one against Tonglo. But to

2009
01:41:46,187 --> 01:41:48,747
Speaker 18: be able we do it's about growing our game and

2010
01:41:49,107 --> 01:41:52,507
Speaker 18: just you know, fine tuning, fine tuning our little details

2011
01:41:53,267 --> 01:41:56,227
Speaker 18: in and around of offensive defense and effort areas and

2012
01:41:57,507 --> 01:42:00,147
Speaker 18: just keep growing that as a team individually. And we

2013
01:42:00,307 --> 01:42:04,307
Speaker 18: do that and we'll give ourselves every chance and not

2014
01:42:04,467 --> 01:42:05,907
Speaker 18: not not looking a big picture.

2015
01:42:06,547 --> 01:42:09,947
Speaker 3: Did someone would present a sterner challenge than you expected

2016
01:42:09,987 --> 01:42:12,987
Speaker 3: when you played them at go Media Stadium in round one.

2017
01:42:13,867 --> 01:42:16,747
Speaker 18: Now we expected that there there there quality football team

2018
01:42:17,547 --> 01:42:20,147
Speaker 18: the worre Coage there. You know, they've got a lot

2019
01:42:20,187 --> 01:42:23,627
Speaker 18: of quality players from the enteral and now playing and

2020
01:42:23,827 --> 01:42:24,787
Speaker 18: a lot of superstars.

2021
01:42:24,867 --> 01:42:25,907
Speaker 9: So you know, we.

2022
01:42:26,027 --> 01:42:28,667
Speaker 18: Expected a hard game and we're expecting even you know,

2023
01:42:28,787 --> 01:42:33,307
Speaker 18: even a tougher game this this Sunday Combank. So our

2024
01:42:33,347 --> 01:42:35,707
Speaker 18: preparation has been really good. We just just finished a

2025
01:42:36,227 --> 01:42:40,267
Speaker 18: big session today and yeah, we just had one of

2026
01:42:40,267 --> 01:42:42,427
Speaker 18: the key read greats come in and speak to the guys,

2027
01:42:42,467 --> 01:42:45,907
Speaker 18: which was which was awesome in Benji Marshall. So yeah,

2028
01:42:45,947 --> 01:42:47,347
Speaker 18: the boys are in good spirits.

2029
01:42:48,347 --> 01:42:51,347
Speaker 3: Will you use the same sort of approach in this game?

2030
01:42:51,427 --> 01:42:53,987
Speaker 3: It's the same opposition it wasn't that long ago? Or

2031
01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:57,027
Speaker 3: or have you tweaked things without giving too much? We

2032
01:42:57,187 --> 01:42:59,547
Speaker 3: of course, Steve. Will it be a similar approach in

2033
01:42:59,667 --> 01:43:02,427
Speaker 3: this one as it was in week one O the

2034
01:43:02,467 --> 01:43:02,787
Speaker 3: big the.

2035
01:43:02,827 --> 01:43:07,507
Speaker 18: Big games, that's how you on honor the fundamentals in

2036
01:43:07,747 --> 01:43:10,787
Speaker 18: big games. But we'll find you in a few things.

2037
01:43:10,867 --> 01:43:13,547
Speaker 18: We still need to keep going our game and we

2038
01:43:13,667 --> 01:43:17,267
Speaker 18: need to keep getting better. But you know, we're confident

2039
01:43:17,347 --> 01:43:19,547
Speaker 18: we can we can do that. We've got an outstanding

2040
01:43:20,667 --> 01:43:25,547
Speaker 18: leadership group within our We're our our team who who

2041
01:43:25,627 --> 01:43:30,267
Speaker 18: really challenge each other and their expectation within our four

2042
01:43:30,347 --> 01:43:33,707
Speaker 18: walls is that we have high standards and we expect

2043
01:43:33,747 --> 01:43:34,267
Speaker 18: nothing different.

2044
01:43:34,307 --> 01:43:35,507
Speaker 9: Come Sunday, this.

2045
01:43:35,547 --> 01:43:38,307
Speaker 3: Will be Karen Forn's final game of rugby league after

2046
01:43:38,387 --> 01:43:42,907
Speaker 3: his exceptional seventeen year professional career, three hundred and eighteen

2047
01:43:42,947 --> 01:43:45,427
Speaker 3: first grade games, thirty four test matches for the Key Wes.

2048
01:43:45,667 --> 01:43:49,307
Speaker 3: How have you acknowledged and recognized Karen Forran this week.

2049
01:43:50,747 --> 01:43:54,307
Speaker 18: Yeah, he's the integral part of our our team inside

2050
01:43:54,347 --> 01:43:57,387
Speaker 18: our four walls, and you know how much we all

2051
01:43:57,467 --> 01:44:03,227
Speaker 18: love him from coaching two plays to everyone else in

2052
01:44:03,307 --> 01:44:07,747
Speaker 18: the back room. So we respect him as a football player.

2053
01:44:07,787 --> 01:44:11,547
Speaker 18: But above that, above that and all is what sort

2054
01:44:11,587 --> 01:44:16,227
Speaker 18: of human he is, existed quality human being. He loves

2055
01:44:16,307 --> 01:44:18,467
Speaker 18: playing for that black and white jersey and we have

2056
01:44:18,547 --> 01:44:22,507
Speaker 18: a responsibility to on him in a strong, leady minute

2057
01:44:22,507 --> 01:44:26,747
Speaker 18: performance this week. So chairping Blake on and off the field,

2058
01:44:26,987 --> 01:44:29,027
Speaker 18: and yeah, we all love the clause.

2059
01:44:29,627 --> 01:44:32,107
Speaker 3: I'd imagine that he would be trying to deflect as well.

2060
01:44:32,147 --> 01:44:34,587
Speaker 3: He wouldn't want to make this week about him at all.

2061
01:44:34,987 --> 01:44:37,427
Speaker 3: From what I've seen and what I've heard and read,

2062
01:44:37,867 --> 01:44:39,547
Speaker 3: is that what you're seeing from him that he's just

2063
01:44:39,867 --> 01:44:42,107
Speaker 3: you know, trying to make this about the Kiwi's team

2064
01:44:42,227 --> 01:44:43,467
Speaker 3: rather than about Karen Form.

2065
01:44:44,227 --> 01:44:44,827
Speaker 9: Yeah, certainly.

2066
01:44:45,467 --> 01:44:49,987
Speaker 18: Yeah, nothing's about you know, individual's status in our environment.

2067
01:44:50,147 --> 01:44:54,787
Speaker 18: Everything's about the team, and you know he writes that

2068
01:44:54,907 --> 01:44:59,027
Speaker 18: every day, so you know, it's about process for us

2069
01:44:59,107 --> 01:45:02,587
Speaker 18: and then on everyone else to do their job and

2070
01:45:02,707 --> 01:45:05,987
Speaker 18: then if we do that, then hopefully we're having a

2071
01:45:06,747 --> 01:45:07,507
Speaker 18: a good celebration.

2072
01:45:07,947 --> 01:45:09,787
Speaker 3: Gonna sacs you been his house partner as well. Dylan

2073
01:45:09,867 --> 01:45:11,707
Speaker 3: Brown had a try and a couple of assists, and

2074
01:45:12,227 --> 01:45:14,507
Speaker 3: the first game two more tries and two more assists,

2075
01:45:14,547 --> 01:45:17,707
Speaker 3: and the one over Tong. He's been terrific, Alan Tigrel.

2076
01:45:17,787 --> 01:45:19,747
Speaker 3: Has Dylan Brown been to you the last few weeks.

2077
01:45:20,907 --> 01:45:24,947
Speaker 18: Yeah, he's been. It's been awesome. I think you Kieran

2078
01:45:24,987 --> 01:45:28,907
Speaker 18: deserves a big, you know, applause for that. How he's

2079
01:45:28,987 --> 01:45:30,587
Speaker 18: unlocked him and sort of freed him up to be

2080
01:45:30,627 --> 01:45:34,147
Speaker 18: able to play his natural running game, but also through

2081
01:45:34,187 --> 01:45:37,067
Speaker 18: the forwards, off the back of their go forward, he's

2082
01:45:37,107 --> 01:45:39,947
Speaker 18: been able to contribute, you know, to Dylan's running game.

2083
01:45:40,027 --> 01:45:42,907
Speaker 18: And one of the most pleasing things would have been

2084
01:45:42,907 --> 01:45:46,707
Speaker 18: impressed with is oftentively, he's he's been really solid over

2085
01:45:46,787 --> 01:45:50,827
Speaker 18: on that left edge, and you know, he's been been

2086
01:45:50,867 --> 01:45:54,307
Speaker 18: the backbone on you know, a decision making, especially with

2087
01:45:54,467 --> 01:45:57,587
Speaker 18: you know, those hard decisions. So it's been it's been

2088
01:45:57,627 --> 01:45:59,987
Speaker 18: great to watch. He didn't get much game time throughout

2089
01:46:00,027 --> 01:46:02,427
Speaker 18: the season, you know, at the heels, but he certainly

2090
01:46:02,507 --> 01:46:06,107
Speaker 18: showed his work over the last two weeks and hopefully

2091
01:46:06,707 --> 01:46:08,827
Speaker 18: he's got one more one more strong performance in the

2092
01:46:08,867 --> 01:46:09,747
Speaker 18: Black and White this week.

2093
01:46:10,387 --> 01:46:12,667
Speaker 3: I know it's not your team, but how much did

2094
01:46:12,707 --> 01:46:15,707
Speaker 3: the Ali Katura incident in those scenes last weekend serve

2095
01:46:15,747 --> 01:46:18,427
Speaker 3: as a warning to everybody involved in the game to

2096
01:46:18,507 --> 01:46:21,307
Speaker 3: be very very careful when it comes to head knocks.

2097
01:46:22,867 --> 01:46:25,347
Speaker 18: Yeah, it wasn't I a good look for a game.

2098
01:46:25,427 --> 01:46:29,307
Speaker 18: And you know a present auto, you know with Elie

2099
01:46:29,387 --> 01:46:32,827
Speaker 18: Katoa and he's he's extended chairly on behalf of the

2100
01:46:33,147 --> 01:46:34,107
Speaker 18: New Zealand League.

2101
01:46:34,707 --> 01:46:37,707
Speaker 3: Which team you reckon have more supporters in Sydney.

2102
01:46:41,347 --> 01:46:43,667
Speaker 18: I'm sure there's going to be a fair few Blue

2103
01:46:43,707 --> 01:46:47,907
Speaker 18: and white in the crowd, but yeah, hopefully you know

2104
01:46:47,987 --> 01:46:50,347
Speaker 18: we get some black and white they also and we

2105
01:46:50,427 --> 01:46:52,787
Speaker 18: do them proud and did the regular lege prayer.

2106
01:46:53,067 --> 01:46:54,667
Speaker 3: Good man, Steve, great to chat to you all the

2107
01:46:54,747 --> 01:46:57,027
Speaker 3: best again some more in the final. Really appreciate your time.

2108
01:46:57,547 --> 01:47:00,947
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Steve. I'll tur My Mike back

2109
01:47:01,027 --> 01:47:03,387
Speaker 3: on Steve Price, their assistant coach of the kiw We

2110
01:47:03,547 --> 01:47:05,867
Speaker 3: so five past six tonight it is the key we

2111
01:47:05,947 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 3: mean again to us some more in the men's final,

2112
01:47:08,147 --> 01:47:10,707
Speaker 3: the women the Kiwi Ferns up against the Australian Jill

2113
01:47:10,787 --> 01:47:14,507
Speaker 3: Aruz three thirty five in the women's final, coming up

2114
01:47:14,547 --> 01:47:19,587
Speaker 3: twenty six away from three. The nineteen twenty four Invincibles

2115
01:47:19,627 --> 01:47:22,627
Speaker 3: one of the most famous teams in our sporting history.

2116
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Speaker 3: And Owen Eastwood, KIWI and leading performance coach, has produced

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Speaker 3: a podcast series focusing in on the lessons that can

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Speaker 3: be learned from the Invincibles. He's going to join us

2119
01:47:33,587 --> 01:47:34,747
Speaker 3: to tell us more when we come back.

2120
01:47:36,107 --> 01:47:39,027
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Speaker 3: South African cricket team, the British Olympic team, and the

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01:47:56,307 --> 01:47:59,747
Speaker 3: command group at NATO. He's author of the best selling

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Speaker 3: book Belonging and has recently completed a nine part podcast

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Speaker 3: series on the nineteen twenty four All Blacks Forever ohen

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Speaker 3: As the Invincibles. They left Wellington by ship on the

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth of July nineteen twenty four, returning two hundred

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01:48:16,027 --> 01:48:20,787
Speaker 3: and thirty two days later. On March seventeen, nineteen twenty five,

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Speaker 3: during which time they played thirty two games without defeat.

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Speaker 3: The podcast series tells the story of this iconic rugby team,

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01:48:27,387 --> 01:48:31,387
Speaker 3: but also extracts lessons about shed identity, team culture and leadership.

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01:48:31,707 --> 01:48:34,187
Speaker 3: In each episode, Owen Eastwood is joined by a guest

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Speaker 3: to navigate the events that unfolded one hundred years ago

2137
01:48:37,747 --> 01:48:41,627
Speaker 3: and to provide insight that have modern day significance. Those

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01:48:41,707 --> 01:48:45,067
Speaker 3: guests include Dan Carter, Karen Reid, and Wayne Smith, as

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01:48:45,107 --> 01:48:49,107
Speaker 3: well as Black Caps legend Kane Williamson and golfer Luke Donald.

2140
01:48:49,667 --> 01:48:52,587
Speaker 3: Owen Eastwood is with us. Owen, how did the idea

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01:48:52,747 --> 01:48:54,387
Speaker 3: for this podcast series come about?

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Speaker 27: Well, I've always loved history. It's always been a bit

2143
01:48:58,787 --> 01:49:02,387
Speaker 27: of an interest in mine. And just the anniversary of

2144
01:49:02,387 --> 01:49:05,027
Speaker 27: the First World War, actually, I was curious my old

2145
01:49:05,067 --> 01:49:07,787
Speaker 27: school Southland Boys High Schoowe in Vicrgo. I was curious

2146
01:49:08,147 --> 01:49:10,667
Speaker 27: to learn a bit more about who of our old

2147
01:49:10,707 --> 01:49:13,147
Speaker 27: boys fought in the war and some of those stories.

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Speaker 27: And I came across one Andrew White, who was known

2149
01:49:16,267 --> 01:49:19,347
Speaker 27: as Sun White, and I recognized the name because I

2150
01:49:19,427 --> 01:49:21,627
Speaker 27: knew that he was also one of our all blacks

2151
01:49:21,867 --> 01:49:24,787
Speaker 27: so we had this character who fought in the First

2152
01:49:24,827 --> 01:49:30,507
Speaker 27: World War, actually fought in Gallipoli, the psalm passiondale Battle

2153
01:49:30,507 --> 01:49:34,987
Speaker 27: of messinepro quite an epic story, and then came home

2154
01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:39,427
Speaker 27: with shell shock and he was extremely disabled and then

2155
01:49:39,507 --> 01:49:43,147
Speaker 27: had this miraculous rise where he then got into rugby

2156
01:49:43,227 --> 01:49:46,307
Speaker 27: in nineteen nineteen and two years later it was an

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01:49:46,307 --> 01:49:49,267
Speaker 27: All Black So I thought I need to learn a

2158
01:49:49,307 --> 01:49:51,027
Speaker 27: lot more about that, so I got into that. So

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01:49:51,187 --> 01:49:53,947
Speaker 27: about the same time I got to know Dan Carter

2160
01:49:54,067 --> 01:49:56,427
Speaker 27: and his great uncle Bill Dally was a member of

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01:49:56,467 --> 01:49:58,907
Speaker 27: that team, and we both had this connection around this

2162
01:49:59,067 --> 01:50:01,707
Speaker 27: is a story that's really not that well known, and

2163
01:50:02,587 --> 01:50:06,707
Speaker 27: why don't we exploring together. So when we think about

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01:50:06,707 --> 01:50:09,347
Speaker 27: the nineteen twenty four Invincibles, I think we all know

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Speaker 27: the name, and I've given the stats, thirty two games

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01:50:13,707 --> 01:50:16,227
Speaker 27: without losing any of them and all of that time

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01:50:16,307 --> 01:50:19,827
Speaker 27: away from home. But what were the hallmarks of that

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Speaker 27: nineteen twenty four to twenty five side where Wayne Smith

2169
01:50:24,267 --> 01:50:27,427
Speaker 27: is another guest on and he identified that they were

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Speaker 27: so innovative and that is the DNA that has continued

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01:50:31,027 --> 01:50:32,987
Speaker 27: to this day. And he also spoke but when he

2172
01:50:33,027 --> 01:50:35,067
Speaker 27: as an All Black coach he was very conscious of

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01:50:35,147 --> 01:50:38,587
Speaker 27: the legacy they left, and you know, the identity framework

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Speaker 27: really about what it is to be a great all

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01:50:40,347 --> 01:50:42,827
Speaker 27: black team, and they and try to replicate it. Dan

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01:50:42,947 --> 01:50:45,747
Speaker 27: Carter makes the same point is this isn't an ancient story.

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Speaker 27: This reverberates right through today. A lot of the rituals

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01:50:50,187 --> 01:50:52,187
Speaker 27: were created by the Invincibles and in fact the play

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Speaker 27: leadership group. The first one was the Originals. They created that,

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01:50:57,027 --> 01:50:59,627
Speaker 27: and people like Dan and Karen Reid and Richard mccare, etc.

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01:51:01,107 --> 01:51:03,107
Speaker 27: They were part of it in their own time. So

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01:51:03,747 --> 01:51:07,107
Speaker 27: some of those guys really enjoyed just finding the origin

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01:51:07,267 --> 01:51:10,587
Speaker 27: story around some of the all bick experiences they had.

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Speaker 3: But we're talking one hundred years ago, and the world

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01:51:14,267 --> 01:51:16,307
Speaker 3: has changed a lot in the last ten years, let

2186
01:51:16,387 --> 01:51:20,107
Speaker 3: alone the last one hundred years. So how much of

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01:51:20,227 --> 01:51:24,427
Speaker 3: what was a key to their success in nineteen twenty

2188
01:51:24,507 --> 01:51:29,027
Speaker 3: four is transferable to a modern day sports team or

2189
01:51:29,067 --> 01:51:30,467
Speaker 3: a modern day sports person.

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Speaker 27: You know, I'm struggling to think of what isn't transferable.

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Speaker 3: Introduction.

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Speaker 27: I'm a performance coach. I'm based up here in the

2193
01:51:39,267 --> 01:51:42,227
Speaker 27: Cotswalls in England. I worked with Chelsea Football Clubs and

2194
01:51:42,307 --> 01:51:44,187
Speaker 27: I worked with the European Writer Cup team and I've

2195
01:51:44,267 --> 01:51:48,947
Speaker 27: worked with them over the last two competitions, and everything

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01:51:49,067 --> 01:51:54,307
Speaker 27: that the Invincibles represent are things that we apply today

2197
01:51:54,547 --> 01:51:57,147
Speaker 27: without a shadow of doubt. And what's very interesting to

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01:51:57,227 --> 01:51:59,027
Speaker 27: me is they were able to simplify it in a

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01:51:59,107 --> 01:52:01,987
Speaker 27: way where probably today we've over complicated a few things.

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Speaker 26: There.

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Speaker 27: They didn't have twenty people in the coaching staff, they

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01:52:05,587 --> 01:52:09,867
Speaker 27: didn't actually have coach Cliff Port, the captain and the

2203
01:52:09,907 --> 01:52:13,987
Speaker 27: player leadership group round the team. So I think a

2204
01:52:14,027 --> 01:52:16,987
Speaker 27: lot of the things that really make a difference in performance.

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01:52:18,027 --> 01:52:20,427
Speaker 27: It's a really lovely case study because it's so pure.

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01:52:20,507 --> 01:52:22,787
Speaker 27: You know, there's not all this sort of complexity. It

2207
01:52:22,907 --> 01:52:26,227
Speaker 27: was just a group of guys, very diverse brand together

2208
01:52:26,827 --> 01:52:29,867
Speaker 27: played pretty terribly in the pre tour games, lost to Auckland,

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Speaker 27: lost in Sydney. Nobody was really thinking that they're going

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01:52:34,347 --> 01:52:35,987
Speaker 27: to do pliicularly well and they just really had to

2211
01:52:35,987 --> 01:52:38,107
Speaker 27: figure this out themselves, and they did it in an

2212
01:52:38,187 --> 01:52:41,787
Speaker 27: innovative way, but actually very beautiful.

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Speaker 9: Way in my view.

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01:52:42,307 --> 01:52:44,627
Speaker 3: So tell us some of the things in particular, Ohen

2215
01:52:44,747 --> 01:52:47,547
Speaker 3: that that they did so well, but also so simply.

2216
01:52:48,947 --> 01:52:51,387
Speaker 27: Now, one of the things was the captain was crazy.

2217
01:52:51,547 --> 01:52:53,867
Speaker 27: So the captain, Cliff Porter, was appointed the night before.

2218
01:52:54,787 --> 01:52:57,827
Speaker 27: So they it was chaotic on the administration side. It

2219
01:52:57,867 --> 01:52:59,547
Speaker 27: won't be making any comics down on the rugby. But

2220
01:52:59,947 --> 01:53:01,907
Speaker 27: back in only twenty four, she's pretty chaotic.

2221
01:53:02,427 --> 01:53:02,867
Speaker 3: They changed.

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01:53:02,867 --> 01:53:04,627
Speaker 27: They decided to change the skip of the day before.

2223
01:53:06,547 --> 01:53:08,747
Speaker 27: So what that led to those Cliff Porter was a

2224
01:53:08,867 --> 01:53:13,587
Speaker 27: very inexperienced all Black twenty four year old. He decided that, like,

2225
01:53:13,667 --> 01:53:14,747
Speaker 27: I'm not going to be able to do this some

2226
01:53:14,827 --> 01:53:16,587
Speaker 27: way own. I've got some real veterans in this team,

2227
01:53:16,667 --> 01:53:19,067
Speaker 27: so we created this player leadership group. So that was

2228
01:53:19,347 --> 01:53:23,227
Speaker 27: one innovation. On the boat trip of thirty nine days across,

2229
01:53:23,907 --> 01:53:26,427
Speaker 27: they did something which today would be regarded as extremely

2230
01:53:26,507 --> 01:53:28,867
Speaker 27: modern then. That is, they every afternoon they sat in

2231
01:53:28,947 --> 01:53:32,267
Speaker 27: a circle and he asked each player just to describe

2232
01:53:32,307 --> 01:53:34,867
Speaker 27: the fundamental to their position and what you need to

2233
01:53:34,987 --> 01:53:38,947
Speaker 27: do to really play at a high level. And George

2234
01:53:39,027 --> 01:53:41,427
Speaker 27: Nepier and others wrote about how scary it really was

2235
01:53:41,547 --> 01:53:43,707
Speaker 27: in that circle to talk like that. Some of them,

2236
01:53:43,907 --> 01:53:46,987
Speaker 27: like George, hadn't played much fallback, but they what happened

2237
01:53:47,147 --> 01:53:51,187
Speaker 27: was after they finished speaking, the other players were invited

2238
01:53:51,267 --> 01:53:54,107
Speaker 27: to help them and add so Mark Nichols, the great

2239
01:53:54,147 --> 01:53:56,547
Speaker 27: player from Wellington, he would say to George, look, I

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Speaker 27: think you've missed out a couple of things here in

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01:53:58,307 --> 01:54:01,147
Speaker 27: terms of fallback play. And what happened is they created

2242
01:54:01,307 --> 01:54:04,747
Speaker 27: a modern language, a psychological safety where they learned how

2243
01:54:04,867 --> 01:54:07,427
Speaker 27: to challenge to each other and have a bit of

2244
01:54:07,467 --> 01:54:11,067
Speaker 27: a debate without people getting their feelings hurt. And another

2245
01:54:11,187 --> 01:54:15,147
Speaker 27: example you know on your question is they didn't start

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01:54:15,187 --> 01:54:16,067
Speaker 27: the tour particularly well.

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01:54:16,107 --> 01:54:17,147
Speaker 10: They were just winning.

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01:54:17,827 --> 01:54:20,667
Speaker 27: So Cliff Porter and the leadership group brought in the intervention,

2249
01:54:20,867 --> 01:54:23,947
Speaker 27: which was they brought in a formal review after the game,

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Speaker 27: so straight after the game finished in the dressing room,

2251
01:54:27,347 --> 01:54:29,787
Speaker 27: they had an hour and that was led by the

2252
01:54:29,907 --> 01:54:32,147
Speaker 27: non players who were sitting in the stand watching the game,

2253
01:54:32,187 --> 01:54:35,987
Speaker 27: and they would come in. And even during this podcast series,

2254
01:54:36,187 --> 01:54:38,907
Speaker 27: I've had some professional teams approach me and say we're

2255
01:54:38,947 --> 01:54:41,547
Speaker 27: bringing in that into our practice, like we're getting the

2256
01:54:41,627 --> 01:54:45,467
Speaker 27: non playing group to lead the review of the game.

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01:54:46,067 --> 01:54:47,787
Speaker 27: So this has not been done before any of this.

2258
01:54:47,947 --> 01:54:50,867
Speaker 27: As well as up to that point it was traditional

2259
01:54:50,907 --> 01:54:53,507
Speaker 27: that players would opt in are out of training on tour.

2260
01:54:54,467 --> 01:54:55,907
Speaker 3: It was called a rafferty rules.

2261
01:54:56,107 --> 01:55:00,307
Speaker 27: And again Cliff and the leadership group said that's just

2262
01:55:00,707 --> 01:55:03,467
Speaker 27: not going to get the job done. You it's mandatory

2263
01:55:03,547 --> 01:55:07,467
Speaker 27: to train unless you were unfit. There's multiple examples of

2264
01:55:07,627 --> 01:55:10,827
Speaker 27: how they really created what we would identify as a

2265
01:55:11,027 --> 01:55:12,787
Speaker 27: professional type of setup.

2266
01:55:13,107 --> 01:55:17,507
Speaker 3: You mentioned before that modern day coaching setups can sometimes

2267
01:55:17,827 --> 01:55:19,747
Speaker 3: over complicate things. What do you think that is?

2268
01:55:21,267 --> 01:55:23,147
Speaker 27: So that's such a good question. I think, well, when

2269
01:55:23,267 --> 01:55:27,827
Speaker 27: rugby went professional and other sports, maybe they didn't really know.

2270
01:55:29,387 --> 01:55:31,067
Speaker 27: They didn't have any model for what they wanted to do,

2271
01:55:31,227 --> 01:55:33,267
Speaker 27: so they look at other sports, probably like the NFL,

2272
01:55:33,387 --> 01:55:35,907
Speaker 27: where you've got like a whole sideline full of coaches

2273
01:55:35,947 --> 01:55:38,547
Speaker 27: and people. I'm not sure, because you know, I've worked

2274
01:55:38,787 --> 01:55:42,867
Speaker 27: in rugby as well, and I think what happens is

2275
01:55:42,907 --> 01:55:44,267
Speaker 27: you get a lot of silos. You get a lot

2276
01:55:44,307 --> 01:55:46,347
Speaker 27: of people who have got a domain over the you know,

2277
01:55:46,427 --> 01:55:49,627
Speaker 27: maybe the line out, the scrum, the back, the attack, whatever,

2278
01:55:50,227 --> 01:55:53,027
Speaker 27: and that can become an incredible challenge To actually create

2279
01:55:53,107 --> 01:55:56,547
Speaker 27: one voice. You need a very skilled head coach, basically

2280
01:55:56,627 --> 01:55:59,467
Speaker 27: like a chief executive, to bring it all together. Sometimes

2281
01:55:59,507 --> 01:56:01,707
Speaker 27: that doesn't exist. Sometimes the head coach actually is the

2282
01:56:01,787 --> 01:56:04,907
Speaker 27: most technical of all of them. They're not really someone

2283
01:56:04,987 --> 01:56:09,627
Speaker 27: who is well skilled to do this. You know, the

2284
01:56:09,707 --> 01:56:12,147
Speaker 27: great coaches are able to pull that off, but a

2285
01:56:12,227 --> 01:56:14,467
Speaker 27: lot of coaches struggle with it and don't actually enjoy

2286
01:56:14,547 --> 01:56:17,067
Speaker 27: that part of it. They just enjoy the technical and

2287
01:56:17,187 --> 01:56:21,227
Speaker 27: technical side of it. So I think I loved kids rugby,

2288
01:56:21,587 --> 01:56:25,547
Speaker 27: my favorite rugby's firstifteen rugby still in New Zealand. I

2289
01:56:25,787 --> 01:56:27,867
Speaker 27: watched every single game himself in boys high school. They

2290
01:56:27,907 --> 01:56:29,787
Speaker 27: send the games up here for me to ever look at,

2291
01:56:30,267 --> 01:56:31,627
Speaker 27: and you know they do it with a couple of

2292
01:56:31,707 --> 01:56:34,747
Speaker 27: coaches and old school away. You know, they won the

2293
01:56:34,827 --> 01:56:37,427
Speaker 27: national championship two years ago and got him the top

2294
01:56:37,467 --> 01:56:41,947
Speaker 27: four a game this year. So yeah, that speaks for itself.

2295
01:56:43,467 --> 01:56:46,147
Speaker 3: I understand obviously the rugby guests you have on and

2296
01:56:46,427 --> 01:56:49,387
Speaker 3: you mentioned Dan Carter, I mentioned Karen Reid, Wayne Smith,

2297
01:56:49,467 --> 01:56:51,107
Speaker 3: But what sort of input did you get from the

2298
01:56:51,267 --> 01:56:54,227
Speaker 3: likes of Kin Williamson and golfer Luke Donald.

2299
01:56:55,387 --> 01:56:58,827
Speaker 27: And I brought Luken I worked with him on the

2300
01:56:58,947 --> 01:57:05,427
Speaker 27: Ryder Cup and I wanted him to comment on something specific,

2301
01:57:05,627 --> 01:57:09,027
Speaker 27: which was Duff Porter was appointed the night before as

2302
01:57:09,067 --> 01:57:13,147
Speaker 27: the captain, which is obviously a crazy fact. But Luke

2303
01:57:13,187 --> 01:57:15,787
Speaker 27: Donald was appointed wry A Cup captain a year late,

2304
01:57:15,907 --> 01:57:18,987
Speaker 27: so The original captain for Rome was Hendrix stenz And

2305
01:57:19,067 --> 01:57:23,747
Speaker 27: who then went to live So they were scrambling European tour.

2306
01:57:24,427 --> 01:57:26,347
Speaker 27: What the hell are we going to do? Luke was

2307
01:57:26,427 --> 01:57:29,387
Speaker 27: invited very very late. The Americans had already had a

2308
01:57:29,467 --> 01:57:32,747
Speaker 27: year of preparation before him, so Luke was in late.

2309
01:57:32,987 --> 01:57:35,787
Speaker 27: He asked me to come and help him, and you know,

2310
01:57:35,867 --> 01:57:37,587
Speaker 27: we didn't have a lot of time and it was

2311
01:57:37,667 --> 01:57:39,627
Speaker 27: so cliff Port had less time, but Luke didn't have

2312
01:57:39,627 --> 01:57:42,267
Speaker 27: a lot of time. So Luke was able to come

2313
01:57:42,267 --> 01:57:43,627
Speaker 27: in and say, when you don't have a lot of

2314
01:57:43,667 --> 01:57:46,787
Speaker 27: time as a leader, these are the priorities. So they've

2315
01:57:46,787 --> 01:57:48,027
Speaker 27: had great feedback on that one.

2316
01:57:48,067 --> 01:57:49,027
Speaker 11: He also loves rugby.

2317
01:57:49,067 --> 01:57:50,587
Speaker 27: He loves you all black, so he was happy just

2318
01:57:50,667 --> 01:57:54,067
Speaker 27: to get involved in that. Pippa Grange was the first

2319
01:57:54,107 --> 01:57:58,827
Speaker 27: psychologist with England football team. She really transformed them Undergara Southgate.

2320
01:57:59,547 --> 01:58:01,787
Speaker 27: She's not a big rugby fan, but she absolutely loves

2321
01:58:01,787 --> 01:58:04,787
Speaker 27: the Invincibles and principally because of the culture in the

2322
01:58:05,627 --> 01:58:09,587
Speaker 27: very compassionate leadership of Cliff Porter, she finds that really inspiring.

2323
01:58:10,707 --> 01:58:15,627
Speaker 27: And Cain, oh Caine, there was a he's just a

2324
01:58:15,667 --> 01:58:18,307
Speaker 27: good bugger. That'd be perfectly honest, and I really love him.

2325
01:58:18,627 --> 01:58:21,427
Speaker 27: He doesn't really talk to the media a lot, I

2326
01:58:21,547 --> 01:58:24,667
Speaker 27: don't think so. I thought as a mate, having a

2327
01:58:24,707 --> 01:58:26,907
Speaker 27: conversation with him might be quite nice for the audience

2328
01:58:27,027 --> 01:58:30,587
Speaker 27: just to hear him talk very naturally. But the specific

2329
01:58:30,707 --> 01:58:37,427
Speaker 27: reason was the Invincibles didn't have a written cultural code,

2330
01:58:38,267 --> 01:58:40,267
Speaker 27: so they I would say, they had probably the most

2331
01:58:40,307 --> 01:58:42,507
Speaker 27: inspirational team culture have ever seen, and none of it

2332
01:58:42,627 --> 01:58:45,227
Speaker 27: was put into writing. And you know, I bet you

2333
01:58:45,387 --> 01:58:47,267
Speaker 27: know as well, there's a lot of corporates out there

2334
01:58:47,307 --> 01:58:50,467
Speaker 27: who have absolute documents full of their culture code and

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Speaker 27: don't live it, while the Invincibles were the opposite. They

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Speaker 27: lived it, but they didn't write it down. Now, when

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Speaker 27: I was first met Cain about four or five years

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Speaker 27: ago and he's on cricket, we're just asking me and

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Speaker 27: him to explore should we put the Black Caps culture

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Speaker 27: into writing, because it hadn't been captured either, and he

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Speaker 27: had a very experienced team he was leading, and we've

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Speaker 27: basically came to a conclusion that, look, it's really powerful

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Speaker 27: the way it is, and if you put it in

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Speaker 27: writing and ask people to read it, it could lose

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01:59:14,947 --> 01:59:17,827
Speaker 27: a bit of potency. So he was great to come

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Speaker 27: in and they need to have this written down, and

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Speaker 27: so that was part of it. But we had just

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Speaker 27: a good general chat. He enjoyed them, and he knew

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Speaker 27: Quoe a lot about.

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Speaker 3: It from a wider point of view. And how common

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01:59:28,107 --> 01:59:32,507
Speaker 3: is it for modern day sports organizations to look back

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01:59:33,227 --> 01:59:39,267
Speaker 3: like one hundred years like this to inform their decision

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Speaker 3: making in the modern day? Is that common in your

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Speaker 3: experience or uncommon?

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Speaker 27: Jason, I'm so pleased you ask that question, because I

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Speaker 27: think just about every organization will say, we're really proud

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Speaker 27: of our heritage. We've got a great history. But the

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Speaker 27: feedback I got last year from people in New Zealand

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01:59:58,067 --> 02:00:00,827
Speaker 27: was that the Invincibles didn't seem to be really as

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Speaker 27: deeply celebrated as some of the families of those players

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Speaker 27: really anticipated would happen. It seemed a little bit light.

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Speaker 27: That was part of the motivation why we actually got

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Speaker 27: off our backsides and created the podcast now, and that is,

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Speaker 27: you know, I don't think we should be running around saying, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 27: the Invincibles and the Originals and all that, so we

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Speaker 27: don't really know the story.

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Speaker 9: So that's part of it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 27: Secondly, I don't know whether the All Blacks are listening

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Speaker 27: to this or not, I've got no idea, but a

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Speaker 27: lot of their experience they're having as all Blacks now

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Speaker 27: comes back to nineteen twenty four or two o five,

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Speaker 27: And I think you're missing a beat here if you

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Speaker 27: don't understand why things are done in a certain way

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Speaker 27: and why and how these people who had the same

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Speaker 27: challenge effectively as them, how they navigated that same challenge.

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Speaker 27: And you know, people like Karen Dan Wayne Smith, they

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Speaker 27: just think this is so powerful to know your heritage

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Speaker 27: story properly. And I'd invite people from all communities and

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Speaker 27: all teams to if you've got good stories, capture the

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Speaker 27: bloody things. And you know, I just didn't amateur job

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Speaker 27: of this, but just capture it. Don't let it go

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Speaker 27: when people pass on or whatever. If you won the

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Speaker 27: nineteen eighty five Bay Plenty Championship and it was a

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Speaker 27: good bloody story, then tell it, get it down there.

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Speaker 3: It's a fantastic piece of work. As usual by you

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Speaker 3: are in the Invincible Podcast Timeless Lessons in Culture and Leadership,

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Speaker 3: So that one's in the box, mate, what's next for you?

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Speaker 27: A good question. I'm actually literally speaking with Luke Donald

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Speaker 27: in thirty minutes currently from the Horse's Mouth. I'm interested

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Speaker 27: where he's decided where he wants to have another crack

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Speaker 27: and have a third Rider Cup as captain. So a

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Speaker 27: little bit awaiting that one. Chelsea Football Club. I'm sort

2394
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Speaker 27: of halfway through my engagement. We're tracking in the right direction.

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Speaker 27: We've moved up from twelfth to fourth and I got

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Speaker 27: a few injuries at the moment. But I enjoy working

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Speaker 27: in the Premier League and I'd love to do another

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Speaker 27: podcast in a couple of years. I'm very intrigued by

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Speaker 27: a lot of incredible sports stories. It all happened in

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Speaker 27: nineteen fifty nine, so keep an eye up for that

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Speaker 27: one certainly well.

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Speaker 3: As you're talking to you, Owen, thanks for joining us

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Speaker 3: across New Zealand, and I know a lot of our

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Speaker 3: listeners will be rushing to their podcast feed to add

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Speaker 3: add your one to their to their list of listening.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today. Thank you mate, Thank you, Owen.

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Speaker 3: Owen Eastwood their key week leading performance coach and producer

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Speaker 3: of the nine part podcast The Invincibles The Lessons We

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Speaker 3: Can Learn from the nineteen twenty four All Blacks. It

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Speaker 3: is eight away from three News Talks.

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Speaker 1: Edb analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Ye. They call O eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty and eighty News Talks Envy.

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Speaker 3: And that is about us four weekends Port for today

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Speaker 3: and for the weekend as well. Tim Beverage is with

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Speaker 3: you after three o'clock with a Sunday edition of the

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Speaker 3: Weekend collect a huge thanks to Ana McDonald for producing

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Speaker 3: the show across the weekend. Thanks mate, and enjoy a

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Speaker 3: relaxing afternoon. I hope you enjoy our relaxing afternoon as well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in and for contributing to the

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Speaker 3: show if that's what you chose to do. We're back

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Speaker 3: on Sports Talk tomorrow night from seven through to eight.

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Speaker 3: We rate the weekend with Piney's Power Rankings and well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what we'll do on the show. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that'll become apparent. It's some stage tomorrow taking us out. Today, Well,

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Speaker 3: we heard James mcconey's rendition about an hour ago of

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Speaker 3: his his his song, his ode to Yellow Cards. I

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Speaker 3: thought would have the actual song to take us out,

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Speaker 3: given the three that were handed out to the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks against Scotland this morning and they still got the

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Speaker 3: job done. Cold Play in yellow see Tomorrow Night, the

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Speaker 3: card Shine.

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Speaker 28: The Colis Shine looked at the start, the cord of Shine.

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Speaker 28: Tho are the things that you.

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Speaker 7: Do?

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

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