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Speaker 2: It's Jack dame on, hither dup to c Allen drive

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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand let's get connected newstalk, said.

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Speaker 3: B Oh the drama the theater. At the Republican National Convention,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump walks in JD Vance by his side, a

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Speaker 3: bandage on his ear, standing ovation. Of course, what else

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Speaker 3: would you expect. We're going to take your live to

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Speaker 3: the US after five o'clock, receeding for the very latest

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Speaker 3: on Donald Trump and his appearance at the Republican National Convention,

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Speaker 3: his VP pick as well. Very shortly, the Minister of

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Speaker 3: Transporters with us. Why do we need warning signs for

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Speaker 3: speed cameras? And before five? Excuse me? Why is Richie

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Speaker 3: Monger training with the New South Wales Blues and State

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Speaker 3: of Origin right now? It is eight minutes past four.

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Speaker 1: Team.

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Speaker 3: It is so much about the state of US polotic

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Speaker 3: that someone who once described Donald Trump as America's Hitler,

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Speaker 3: those are his exact words, America's Hitler can be selected

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Speaker 3: as Trump's vice presidential candidate. From one perspective, JD Vance

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Speaker 3: is a great choice. He's young, he's dynamic, he's smart,

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Speaker 3: he is an excellent media performer. He didn't let shin

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Speaker 3: the thing that I think Democrats still haven't learned is

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't matter what jd Vance once said about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. It doesn't matter that he slagged him off

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Speaker 3: in splashy magazine articles. It doesn't matter that he described

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Speaker 3: him as reprehensible and his policies is absurd. None of

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Speaker 3: that matters. None of it matters. All that matters is

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Speaker 3: that he went to mar A Lago, he kissed the ring,

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Speaker 3: and he has never faulted since. There are so many

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Speaker 3: examples of people who stood against Donald Trump or spoke

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Speaker 3: have conveniently recalibrated their position once they realized that actually

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was here to stay. Half of the Republicans

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Speaker 3: to the last election, jd Vance has proved himself to

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Speaker 3: be completely loyal to Donald Trump. Publicly, he claimed the

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Speaker 3: election was rigged, that it was stolen. He happily went

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Speaker 3: on TV to fight for Trump's position, and perhaps more

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Speaker 3: than most other candidates whom Donald Trump was considering, J

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Speaker 3: d Vance clearly knows the rust Belt, He knows the Midwest,

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Speaker 3: He knows the working class people, the communities that have

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Speaker 3: last three decades, poor, ravaged by the open crisis, and

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Speaker 3: quite understandably angry. The only meaningful criticism, if we can

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Speaker 3: even call it that, of jd Vance is that perhaps

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Speaker 3: he doesn't grow the base, but I don't think that matters.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't bring new voters to the Trump ticket. But again,

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Speaker 3: this campaign will be decided by energy, by turnout, and

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Speaker 3: jd Vance knows the likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: and ultimately those are the states that will decide the presidency.

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Speaker 3: Team two ninety two is our text number if you

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Speaker 3: want to get in touch. Jacket Newsbooks, headb dot co dotting.

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Speaker 3: What a day for Donald Trump. So we had that

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Speaker 3: the unauthorized documents case thrown out of court. He returned

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Speaker 3: Biden responded, we'll tell you about that before five. Right

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Speaker 3: now it's ten past four. Warning signs for fixed speed

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Speaker 3: Kielder Minister, Good afternoon, je, So talk us through what's

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Speaker 4: Well, today we unveiled the first of mzta's speed camera signs.

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Speaker 4: This is about ensuring that motorists have good signage head

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Speaker 3: Yeah talk us through the alternative, because there will be

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Speaker 4: Well, ultimately they're about improving safety on our roads and

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Speaker 4: So this government will be rolling out this signage across

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Speaker 4: Second one in Wellington today we progressively rolled out so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, important to point out that this is the fixed

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Speaker 4: That correctly, So the reality is, you know, ultimately, if

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, the mobile cameras which the

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Speaker 3: So it's always good to go to the expert on

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Speaker 3: much for your time. That is Transport Minister Simeon Brown.

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Speaker 3: You'll be pleased to know that. I did go back

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Speaker 3: If they're not even a close friend and they were

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Speaker 3: car next minute. Thanks for your feedback, Jack. Why the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, really, we're really sad when that news began filtering

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Speaker 3: Very good thanks to that is Alie Smith. He's on

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Speaker 2: Jack tam cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack tam on Heather duple to see Ellen drive

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Speaker 3: See Rogers onto the money, Jack. Speed camera area warning

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Speaker 3: Easy money. Very very cunning there, Roger. That's a good

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Speaker 3: point regarding jd Vance, Donald Trump's vice presidential pick, he

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Speaker 3: Interesting to see jdie Vance flipping his position, same as

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Speaker 3: first day of the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump appearing

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Speaker 3: up to four thirty though, I'm Jack Tame, this is Newstalk, zedb.

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Speaker 2: Hard questions strong opinion Jack Dame on, Heather duplicusy Alan Drive,

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Speaker 3: So in the last thirty five minutes or so, David

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders based on actual need, without assigning their background

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Speaker 3: They'd be drive And Day one of the Republican National

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Speaker 3: Convention in Milwaukee has wrapped up. Former US President Donald

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden and Democrats think they know how to spend

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Speaker 8: bureaucrats to execute derrel Wolke and green new dial agenda. Well,

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Speaker 8: that plan doesn't work, because hope is.

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Speaker 3: Not a plan. More members of the public have come

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Speaker 3: Videos have been posted online that show people trying to

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Speaker 3: And finally, a local man has broken the world record

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: And Murray Old is with us from Australia this afternoon.

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Speaker 10: Get I Murray, Hi Jack, it afterninge to you.

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Speaker 3: And the latest poll has the opposition gaining on the government.

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Speaker 10: Oh big time.

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Speaker 11: This is pretty big figures for the Opposition that Peter

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Speaker 10: This has come out of a Resolve poll.

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Speaker 11: Fifty five percent of the Australian population says the national

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Speaker 11: That's the lowest level since Albanezi became Prime minister last election.

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Speaker 10: And this is frankly astonishing.

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Speaker 11: Peter Dutton is now in front of Anthony Albanesi at

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Speaker 10: It's all you know, with preferences and so on. But

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Speaker 10: the bottom line is it's fifty to fifty. Now, was Anthony.

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Speaker 11: Albanesi going to call an early election, Well, this isn't

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Speaker 3: Herel Speaking of the Prime Minister, Elbow and Victoria Premier

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Speaker 11: Look, look it's full the title Construction, Forestry, Mining and

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Speaker 11: But the rotten apple and the barrel, we are told,

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Speaker 11: Channel nine over here with sixty minutes to sixty minutes

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Speaker 10: And the results are frankly pretty shocking.

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Speaker 11: The allegations include that, you know, underworld criminals have got

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Speaker 11: government contracts. Vicky leaders have got armchair, cushy armchair jobs

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Speaker 11: Now, the allegation, as you said rightly point out back

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Speaker 11: so he's a free agent. The club said, what about

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Speaker 11: some personal development? What about shooting down to Brisbane and

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Speaker 11: having a look at the New South Wales setup because

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Speaker 11: he's a because up there at his club is and

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Speaker 11: i'ld yea to Sheba.

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Speaker 10: That's my notes here. The director of his Japanese team.

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Speaker 11: Is a good mate of Michael McGuire, who is the

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Speaker 11: coach of New South Wales. He said, look, just go

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Speaker 11: down and see the way that that a top level

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Speaker 11: rugby league team sets up for a big game.

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Speaker 10: Well he's done more than that. He's pulled the boots on.

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Speaker 11: He's taken part in an opposing session at four up

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Speaker 11: against New South Wales. He had like a decent level

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Speaker 11: club side he was playing with and he's.

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Speaker 10: Just been stooging around having a look.

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Speaker 11: Interesting too, he said, Look, my whole family, every one

451
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Speaker 11: of my family is a Queensland fan except me.

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Speaker 10: I love New South Wales.

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Speaker 11: So that's a big bone of contention amongst the family.

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Speaker 10: He also pointed out I never heard this.

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Speaker 11: His dad forbade him all those years ago from playing

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Speaker 11: rugby league. His big brothers played in christ Church, but

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Speaker 11: they had bigger plans for Richie because he was a

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Speaker 11: very good rugby union player, had a scholarship. The rest

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Speaker 11: is history, of course, multiple All Black and let's hope

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Speaker 11: he can come back and play with the All Blacks

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Speaker 11: next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, hey, thanks for your time. I was really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia correspondent there, thank you for

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Speaker 3: your feedback as well. Here's the tickets to come through.

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Speaker 3: Regarding speed cameras. So in Cashumbista interview with Transport Minister

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Speaker 3: Simeon Brown, basically they're introducing speed cameras right across the

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Speaker 3: upper part of the North Ender, looking to spread them

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Speaker 3: around the country. That all have fixed speed camera warning signs.

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Speaker 3: So you're driving along the street, there's a warning sign

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Speaker 3: that says hang on, there's a speed camera here.

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Speaker 10: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Speed cameras are for saving lives as opposed to making money,

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Speaker 3: says Dennis, Hence signs warning cameras. Ultimately that has to

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Speaker 3: be the priority with all of these things. Yes, they

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Speaker 3: raise a bit of money as well, but ultimately the

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Speaker 3: purpose of these things is to get people to drive slow.

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Speaker 3: If you want to send us a text, ninety two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is our text number. I find. I find

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Speaker 3: this situation with the shooter on the roof. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's obviously absurd for the Donald Trumpets attempted assassination, but

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Speaker 3: what a ridiculous explanation from the local sheriff saying that

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Speaker 3: yes they had got calls from witnesses who said there

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Speaker 3: was a man with a gun on the roof. Looking

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Speaker 3: towards the former president as he was speaking. He says

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Speaker 3: that one of his officers was climbing up on the roof,

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Speaker 3: but that the gunman turned around and said the officer

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Speaker 3: very quickly got back down off the roof. Isn't the

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Speaker 3: whole purpose of law enforcement to try and stop that gunman?

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Speaker 3: I would have thought that's a perfect opportunity for you know,

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Speaker 3: law enforcement to try and engage him so that he's

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Speaker 3: not shooting at a former present. Isn't that the whole purpose?

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Speaker 3: It recalls that awful shooting and Aurora someone like that right. Well,

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Speaker 3: no in Texas, whether police officers didn't want to go

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Speaker 3: inside the school when there was a shooting because they

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Speaker 3: were concerned about their own safety. I mean, yeah, sadly,

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Speaker 3: isn't that Isn't that part of the job. Can't imagine

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Speaker 3: there are going to be many people not expecting some

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Speaker 3: big answers sometimes soon. Right now, it's quarter to five

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Speaker 3: on news Doorks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be politics with Centrics credit check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payment certainty new Storks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be political to Jason Walls is or with us

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Speaker 3: this evening, Hey, Jason, good evening, Jack, So what did

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Speaker 3: you make of the full Darlene Tana sit down interview.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was.

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Speaker 12: Enlightening in how much we didn't learn, and I know

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Speaker 12: that sounds counterintuitive, but it was a bit of an

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Speaker 12: exercise in reading between the lines. The big question is,

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Speaker 12: of course, what happens next, and that was asked, but

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Speaker 12: I don't think it was really answered sufficiently. At present,

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Speaker 12: she's an independent MP as she's resigned from the Greens,

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Speaker 12: or more accurately, she was made to resign from the Greens,

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Speaker 12: but she's still remains a member of Parliament. So obviously

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Speaker 12: the question is will she resign from parliament? And her

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Speaker 12: answer was that she's taking advice from Ewe and Hapu.

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Speaker 12: She says a lot of people have reached out to

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Speaker 12: her asking her to continue to do the machi that

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Speaker 12: she's doing.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 3: Just what the mahi is remains.

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Speaker 12: A little unclear because she's been an MP for all

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Speaker 12: of nine months and spent about half of that on leaves.

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Speaker 12: So essentially she says she's going to be making a

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Speaker 12: decision soon. So my read on all of this it

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Speaker 12: sounds like she's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: She keeps coming.

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Speaker 12: Back to the values that she brings to the table.

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Speaker 3: In terms of being an MP.

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Speaker 12: She talks about how she was the only MP that

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Speaker 12: could weave Tiamari science and politics together. And you don't

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Speaker 12: say these sorts of things unless you're digging in for

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Speaker 12: the long haul, which very much sounds like she is now.

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Speaker 12: When asked about the time frame, she said that the

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Speaker 12: ball was in the Green Party's court, So it sounds

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Speaker 12: like we're actually in line for a bit of show

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Speaker 12: a bit of a showdown here. The Greens were extremely

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Speaker 12: against the Waker Jumping Bill, you'll remember, and that legislation

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Speaker 12: allows parties to expel members of Parliament if they leave

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Speaker 12: the party that they came into parliament with. The Green

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Speaker 12: say it's anti democratic and fought tooth and nail against

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Speaker 12: it to be introduced and voted into Parliament a few

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Speaker 12: years ago. And now they're faced with somewhat of a

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Speaker 12: Sophie's choice, trigger the Waker Jumping legislation. Expel Darling Tana

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Speaker 12: but make themselves extreme hypocrites, or stick to their values

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Speaker 12: and have Darling Tana sitting in Parliament for the better

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Speaker 12: part of two and a half years, depriving them of

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Speaker 12: having their own new Green MP coming into Parliament. So

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Speaker 12: obviously it's a tough choice for the Greens there. But

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Speaker 12: at the end of the day, let's not lose sight

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Speaker 12: of the fact that it is one quote MP with

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Speaker 12: no constituents, no mandate at all, holding everybody else hostage

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Speaker 12: taxpayer's expense. So she should make the right call herself

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Speaker 12: and walk away from all of this. But it sounds,

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Speaker 12: as I've said, like she's not going to do that now.

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Speaker 12: In terms of the Green Party's response, it was a

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Speaker 12: very very Green Party response. Ricardo Menendez March said, the

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Speaker 12: planet is burning and wealth in quality is growing and

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Speaker 12: we have to fight for it all and Dary needs

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Speaker 12: to remind herself that no one is bigger than the

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Speaker 12: party and therefore the best thing for the collective movement

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Speaker 12: would be for her to move on. So they've drawn

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Speaker 12: a bit of a line in.

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Speaker 3: The sand here. Jason David Seymour has made his expectations

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Speaker 3: clear to farm X so what he seid It's an

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Speaker 3: interesting one, this one.

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Speaker 12: He's basically made public his letters of expectation. Now, this

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Speaker 12: happens all the time. A few weeks ago, Nikola Willis

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Speaker 12: sent about fifty of them off and you just eventually

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Speaker 12: find them buried on the Treasury website. Essentially, you send

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Speaker 12: as a minister what your expectations are to the ministries

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Speaker 12: that you're in charge of. Today, Associate Health Minister David

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Speaker 12: Seymour called a press conference to do it for FARMAC.

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Speaker 12: So it's clear that he wanted to put the spotlight

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Speaker 12: on what he was announcing today because he did it

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Speaker 12: so publicly. So in the letter and the subsequent press conference,

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Speaker 12: David Seymour said that he's made it clear the need

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Speaker 12: for FARMAC to focus on delivering improved health outcomes underpinned

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Speaker 12: by robust data in evidence.

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Speaker 3: But here's the kicker. One change that I've outlined.

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Speaker 12: Is that I do not believe it is appropriate to

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Speaker 12: require FARMAC to continue to consider how it can contribute

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Speaker 12: to embedding the Treaty of Wypugi across the health sector,

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Speaker 12: which was the expectations in the previous government's letters of expectations.

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Speaker 12: He went on to say that farmac's roles should focus

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Speaker 12: on serving all New Zealanders based on actual need, without

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Speaker 12: assigning their background as a proxy of need. And so

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Speaker 12: obviously there's going to be a lot of pushback on

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Speaker 12: this one. There's going to be a lot of discussions.

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Speaker 12: I'll be interested to hear what those that are against

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Speaker 12: this have to say. Against this argument, because it's the

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Speaker 12: bedrock of Farmac, it probably should be the fact that

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Speaker 12: everybody gets the same access based on need of their

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Speaker 12: access to the medicine rather than anything else. So there's

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Speaker 12: a lot about partnership and various different objectives in the

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Speaker 12: letter of expectation that he's made clear that he's made

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Speaker 12: available now. But of course the big news is the

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Speaker 12: treaty of White Tommy stuff. Paula Bennett, who is the

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Speaker 12: new head honcho over there at FARMAC, it was seemed

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Speaker 12: very very receptive to all of this and stood up

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Speaker 12: and after see Moore in the press conference and said

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Speaker 12: that we will be listening differently and really commended Seymour.

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Speaker 12: So it'd be interesting to see where this one ends up.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be with us after five, so we

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Speaker 3: can ask him too. Thank you so much, Jason. That

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Speaker 3: is newsborks. He'd be political editor Jason Walls putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 13: Breakfast running the country at the moment is David Seymour,

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Speaker 13: who was what this How incompetent is kiwi rail to

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Speaker 13: say this is the final number grant and then go WAPs.

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Speaker 10: It's billions of dollars more.

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Speaker 14: I mean, when it comes to running a train service,

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Speaker 14: I don't think that bad.

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing.

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Speaker 10: It's Kiwi Rail.

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Speaker 14: Once they tried to get into the port building business,

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Speaker 14: turned out they were pretty incoonfident. If you wanted on

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Speaker 14: a one to ten, I'd probably give you about an eleven.

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Speaker 10: Are you enjoying this?

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Speaker 3: By the way, the running the country thing, well.

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Speaker 14: I'm a libertarian, so one of the worst things that

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Speaker 14: could happen to me is I could actually become in

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Speaker 14: the government. I just want to point out I don't

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Speaker 14: actually think I'm running the country. Five point three million

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Speaker 14: New Zealand running the country. Well, so we're running the government.

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Speaker 14: Up to everyone else to get on and make the

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Speaker 14: most of their lives in this beautiful country.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Newb You were Jack Tamen for Heather to pic Allen.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your text, Jack, good evening. Regarding the police

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Speaker 3: officer in the Trump attempt at assassination, The thing I

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Speaker 3: don't understand is why the police didn't immediately get on

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Speaker 3: their radios and shout shooter on the roof, shooter on

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Speaker 3: the roof, so that Trump got off stage. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is maybe the biggest question out of the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: If indeed witnesses had drawn police and Secret Service attention

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Speaker 3: to the man on the roof with a gun, why

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Speaker 3: on earth was Donald Trump allowed to continue speaking? Just

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Speaker 3: so you know, in the last couple of minutes, our

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Speaker 3: CNN has started reporting that there were actually law enforcement

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Speaker 3: snipers inside the building that the shooter was shooting from.

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Speaker 3: So he was on the roof, but inside the building

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Speaker 3: with snipers. That's what CNN is reporting. Jd Vance. He's

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00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: been aimed as Donald Trump's vice presidential pick. Very interesting choice.

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Speaker 3: He was, of course, the author of the best selling

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Speaker 3: book He'll Billy Elogy. I've read that book. It's a

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: great book. And he was once a vociferous critic of

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Speaker 3: the president, now a big supporter of the president. We'll

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Speaker 3: show you a couple of clips. This is him talking

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Speaker 3: about Donald Trump. He says that Donald Trump is one

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Speaker 3: of the healthiest people he knows.

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Speaker 8: John, I got to say, Donald Trump is as healthy

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Speaker 8: as anybody I've ever met.

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Speaker 3: I tell him all the time. He's got ridiculous genes.

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Speaker 4: I plan to be a very good vice president for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump four years.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden says he's not surprised by j. D. Vance's

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Speaker 3: peck going to surround himself.

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Speaker 8: The people agree with completely with him, avoting records.

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Speaker 10: They support him. Even though if you go back and

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Speaker 10: listen to J. D Man said about Trump, he said

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Speaker 10: something about you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he says.

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Speaker 10: Something that I mean. But see what he said about Trump?

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Speaker 1: What's with you? Guys?

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Speaker 10: Come on, man, that.

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Speaker 3: Is Joe Biden speaking today. We'll take you to the

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Speaker 3: US after five o'clock for the latest from the republic

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Speaker 3: National Convention. It's almost five though, you were Jack tame

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Speaker 3: This is News Dog ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, find the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame on hither due to c Allen Drive with

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Speaker 10: Talk zed B.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has been officially nominated as the Republican presidential

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Speaker 3: candidate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today. Trump has also enlisted Ohio

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Speaker 3: Senator JD. Vance as his vice presidential pick. And it

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Speaker 3: didn't stop there for Trump with Judge Eileen Cannon, also

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Speaker 3: dismissing his Marra a Lago classified documents case. Today, Lauren

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Speaker 3: Tomazi is Channel nine's US correspondent and is with us now.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Good evening to you, Jack. So what has

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Speaker 3: the reaction been to Donald Trump's appearance at the RNC.

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Speaker 15: Look, It has been quite remarkable. The eruption of cheers

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Speaker 15: that you had from the Republican Party faithful here in

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Speaker 15: Milwaukee was really quite insane. It was been hours that

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Speaker 15: people were waiting here hoping to see Donald Trump, forty

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Speaker 15: eight hours on from that assassination attempt, and the former

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Speaker 15: president walked out with a bandage on his ear, slowly

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Speaker 15: stepping into the Republican National Convention arena, and there were

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Speaker 15: just thousands of people here cheering him on.

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Speaker 16: He didn't say anything.

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Speaker 15: He just put his fist in the air show of

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Speaker 15: defiance after that assassination attempt.

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Speaker 16: It was truly quite remarkable to see.

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Speaker 3: So talk to us a little bit about JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: because in the past he has been openly critical of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He called him famously America's hitler. So how

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Speaker 3: has this one hundred and eighty degree flip flop happened?

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Speaker 16: It's truly quite remarkable. JD.

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Speaker 15: Vance was a really intense critic of Donald Trump and

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Speaker 15: really kind of switched gears when he went for a

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Speaker 15: run for the Senate in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 16: JD.

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Speaker 15: Vans has only been in the Senate for a couple

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Speaker 15: of years now, but he changed his narrative and began

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Speaker 15: getting on board. I guess with that MAGA movement. You

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Speaker 15: started hearing him talk about the MAGA policies and Donald

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Speaker 15: Trump about the stolen election, which of course we know

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Speaker 15: was not the case, and Donald Trump embraced him, he

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Speaker 15: endorsed him for the Senate, and now here we are

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Speaker 15: two years on, JD. Vance on the Republican Party ticket

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Speaker 15: as the vice presidential nominee. Now, for those people at

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Speaker 15: home who were like, who is this guy?

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Speaker 16: You may have actually read his book.

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Speaker 15: He wrote a bestseller, Hill Billy Elogy, and that was

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Speaker 15: adapted into a Netflix series which was really quite popular.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just what an amazing life for a guy

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Speaker 3: who's not even yet forty to now find himself as

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Speaker 3: potentially the favorite to be the next vice president of

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Speaker 3: the United States. Have we heard anything in terms of

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Speaker 3: polling over the last couple of days following the extraordinary

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Speaker 3: events in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 15: Look, this is going to be so interesting to see.

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Speaker 15: We haven't had a poll come out yet since that

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Speaker 15: attempted assassination, but the polls within the last week again

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Speaker 15: show Donald Trump taking a bit of a lead over

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Speaker 15: Joe Biden. That's kind of been the nature of these polls.

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Speaker 15: We're seeing a bit of a growing divide, Donald Trump

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Speaker 15: gaining more and more momentum. I expect that you'll see

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Speaker 15: much of the same when we get the next round

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Speaker 15: of polls. In the wake of that attempted assassination, and

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Speaker 15: also today, Donald Trump had a huge court win. He

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Speaker 15: had his classified documents case tossed out by a judge

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Speaker 15: in Florida.

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Speaker 16: There has been a lot going on for the former president.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's remarkable. How has he reacted to that.

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Speaker 15: He took to True Social this morning to post he's

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Speaker 15: certainly very pleased with that. It was a bit of

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Speaker 15: a long shot appeal that his legal team had put in,

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Speaker 15: never thinking that it would.

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Speaker 16: Come to fruition.

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Speaker 15: But then, of course we had the Supreme Court ruling

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Speaker 15: on immunity for Donald Trump, and one of the justices,

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Speaker 15: Clarence Thomas, very much caved the way wrote in the

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Speaker 15: arguments there the case for the judge in Florida, Aileen Cannon,

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Speaker 15: to make this ruling.

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Speaker 16: And so that is what has happened.

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Speaker 15: The case has been tossed down and it now places

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Speaker 15: in jeopardy the other case, which is Jack Smith prosecuting

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Speaker 15: the January sixth election interference case.

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Speaker 16: So very well, you could see.

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Speaker 15: Quite a number of these court cases of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 15: topple over.

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Speaker 3: These big political conventions are full of drama, but they

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Speaker 3: like to drip feed it, right, So we see Trump

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Speaker 3: and jd vance today. Then we have a series of

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Speaker 3: speeches in the coming days. When are we actually likely

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Speaker 3: to hear Donald Trump's presentation.

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Speaker 15: Thursday is the big day for Donald Trump. And as

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Speaker 15: I stand here in the Republican National Convention right now,

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Speaker 15: I can see balloons are all in netting above the ceiling,

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Speaker 15: and that's.

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Speaker 16: The day you'll have that really big speech.

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Speaker 15: Now, Donald Trump has said that he said he had

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Speaker 15: a humdinger of a speech as it was, but he's

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Speaker 15: actually changed it all around in the wake of that shooting,

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Speaker 15: an attemptive assassination on the weekend. So it'll be interesting

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Speaker 15: to see what the former president has to say, because

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Speaker 15: he's moving forward with this bit of a show of unity,

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Speaker 15: so it will certainly what we have to hear from him.

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Speaker 15: How long this goes for, it's going to be interesting

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Speaker 15: to watch.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Lauren, We appreciate it. That is

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Speaker 3: Lauren Tamazi, who is Channel nine's US correspondent Jack twelve

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Speaker 3: past five on News Tools. He'd be the government's released

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Speaker 3: and open leader to farmak around expectations for improved medicine access.

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Speaker 3: The guidelines include funding, prioritization improved health outcomes with evidence

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Speaker 3: and hard data, alongside halting considerations of titidity or white Honguey.

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Speaker 3: In its decision making, Associate Minister of Health David Seymour

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Speaker 3: is with this evening, good evening. Hey Jack, Hey, what

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Speaker 3: in your letter or of expectation would you say marks

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Speaker 3: the single biggest difference from farmac's current operations.

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Speaker 5: It's the idea that FARMAC should be looking not just

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Speaker 5: at how to make the most out of a fixed budget,

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Speaker 5: but how it can make better budget. Bits to the

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Speaker 5: Minister of Finance and say hey, if we funded more medicines,

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Speaker 5: we could maybe save you some hospital admissions and some

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Speaker 5: operations and keep people working and unless people dependent on

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Speaker 5: a sickness benefit, because I think often there's an opportunity

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Speaker 5: for a win win where if we funded more medicine,

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Speaker 5: we wouldn't actually need to spend money on other things.

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Speaker 5: A classic example of that is since the government did

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Speaker 5: fund try cafter for assistic fibrosis, there have been almost

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Speaker 5: no lung transplants in New Zealand. Now I don't actually

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Speaker 5: know how much the lung transplant costs, but I would

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Speaker 5: guess that's one of the most extensive things the healthcare

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Speaker 5: system does, not to mention one of the most brutal

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Speaker 5: surgeries that you can have.

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Speaker 3: Is there any evidence that FARMAC made funding decisions that

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Speaker 3: prioritized MAUI over other people.

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Speaker 17: No, there's not.

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Speaker 5: But then again, their operations are a bit of a

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Speaker 5: black box, and rightfully so, because they're supposed to be

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Speaker 5: answering from politicians and confidential.

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Speaker 18: What is important is that.

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Speaker 5: If embedding the Treaty and Everything means treat every person

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Speaker 5: the same according to their medical need, then they're all

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Speaker 5: could in. That's carb if it means to treat different

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Speaker 5: New Zealanders differently based on whether or not they had

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Speaker 5: an ancestor who was Mari, then we want nothing to

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Speaker 5: do with it. Either way, there is no need for

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Speaker 5: FARMAC to continue with the previous government's directive of betting

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Speaker 5: the treaty and everything it does.

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Speaker 3: You say that it's your expectation. FARMAC listens and engages

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Speaker 3: with patient groups, and those groups are often at the

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Speaker 3: heart of really emotional public campaigns to have certain drugs

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Speaker 3: or medicines funded. Isn't the whole purpose of FARMAC to

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Speaker 3: take emotion out of the equation.

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Speaker 5: It's to some extent that is true. However, it's also

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Speaker 5: the case that sometimes what people want is important. Sometimes

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Speaker 5: they can give feedback on how a particular treatment or

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Speaker 5: device works that FARMAC might not have considered. For example,

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Speaker 5: there's recently been a major exercise to fund continuous glucose

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Speaker 5: monitors and insulin pumps, recommended a change to the partems,

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Speaker 5: and a whole lot of patients were consulted and said, actually,

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Speaker 5: for technical reasons to do with my particular body, that's

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Speaker 5: going to be a big problem for me. Now. I

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Speaker 5: think it is important to factor and information that sometimes

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Speaker 5: only patients have.

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Speaker 3: Thanks your Tom, we appreciate it. Associate Health Minister David

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Speaker 1: Z Jack team.

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Speaker 3: Really really sad news today, all black violence prevention advocate

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Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars champion Norm Hewitt has died. He

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Speaker 3: was aged just fifty five and had been diagnosed with

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Speaker 3: motor neuron disease. Laurie Mains was the first to pick

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Speaker 3: Norm Hewitt as an All Black and is with us

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Speaker 3: this evening. Hi Laurie, Hi Jack. Yeah, I'm really sorry

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Speaker 3: on behalf of all of our listeners for your loss.

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Speaker 3: How will Norm be remembered by you?

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Speaker 6: Oh, He's one of the special all successes that rugby

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Speaker 6: has brought to individual players. When I first took Norman,

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Speaker 6: he was a bit of American and I had to

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Speaker 6: speak to him quite sternly before I selected him into

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Speaker 6: the All Blacks, and he took that on board, came

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Speaker 6: into the team and immediately showed not only good performance

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Speaker 6: on the rugby field, and I selected him because of

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Speaker 6: how well he had played for Hawks Bay, but also

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Speaker 6: he took a real turn in his personal behavior. And

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Speaker 6: I attribute a lot of that to the All Black

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Speaker 6: environment and to the players around him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a arkable When I think about him as

873
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: a rugby player, he was fearsome and he was to

874
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, I can remember that occasion. I think he

875
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: played a game with the broken arm. But it was

876
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: actually that character stuff outside of rugby, when he took

877
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: you know, some troubles in his past and actually used

878
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: it as an opportunity to promote some really important messages when

879
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: not many people in his position might have chosen to

880
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: do so. Don't you think that sort of spoke a

881
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: lot about his character?

882
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 6: Well, it did, and he had he did have a

883
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: lot of character, and as I said, I think the

884
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 6: all black environment enabled him to bring that out and

885
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 6: gave him the platform to be able to explore those

886
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 6: activities that he did after rugby. Yeah, and he he

887
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: is one of the real successes of what all black

888
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: rugby or any rugby team can actually do to individuals

889
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 6: that have been off the track a bit. Yeah, and

890
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: that was a turning point in his life. And you know,

891
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 6: we el Kurtin and I, the selectors and coaches at

892
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 6: the time, got a great deal of pleasure out of.

893
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 18: Seeing Norm.

894
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: Fit into the environment become a really solid person. And

895
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 6: he was an outstanding rugby player, make no bones about that.

896
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 6: He was just unlucky that Sean Fitzpatrick, the old Black

897
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 6: captain and you know, one of the best in the world,

898
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 6: just happened to be keeping him out of the planet fifteen.

899
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 6: But yeah, I remember Norm in the early days when

900
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 6: we got him. As I said, he was a bit

901
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 6: of American and before I made a rule with him

902
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 6: that before he goes out anywhere at night after matches

903
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 6: and that sort of thing, he had to come and

904
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 6: tell me who was going to be his minder.

905
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, and.

906
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 19: It either had to be Olove Brown or Frank Bunks.

907
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 19: And they were players that Norm respected, and they had

908
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 19: they had the strength to keep them in line. And

909
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 19: I mean he never put a foot roll.

910
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, and no, he was a great individual.

911
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 10: Yeah.

912
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: Oh, that's some really lovely comments. Thank you so much, Lurie.

913
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: We really appreciate your time, Laurie. Maybe. Yeah, probably a

914
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 3: good thing actually that they you know, they chose Frank

915
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: Barcarolo Brown to accompany Norm, not me, not Andrew Mertens

916
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: in his semi professional era, weighing in at sixty two

917
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: kilograms with a wet shirt. Twenty three minutes past five.

918
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: You with Jack Tame. This is newstalks hedb.

919
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

920
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: It's Jack Tame on Heather due to see Ellen drive

921
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: with one new Zealand.

922
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Let's get connected us talk, said B.

923
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: What is the point of a speed camera? Is it

924
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: to make our roads safer? Or is it to raise

925
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: a bit of cash for the state coffers by finding

926
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: motorists who are driving too fast? Or or let's be honest,

927
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: is it a combination of those two. Over the next

928
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: few more than one hundred speed cameras in Northland and

929
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: Auckland are being transferred from being the responsibility of police

930
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: to that of NZTA instead, and while mobile speed cameras,

931
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: So the cops in the back of their cars with

932
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: those speed camera guns, those are still going to be operational.

933
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: They're not going to come with any warnings. Each of

934
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: the permanent speed cameras is going to be accompanied by

935
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: a permanent speed camera warning sign. So if you're driving

936
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: fast and you are near a speed camera, you're going

937
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: to get warned. Now, I get why some people think

938
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: it's antithetical. Surely a warning for people about speed cameras

939
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: will make them slow down before they get pinged for

940
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: driving too fast. Wouldn't it be better to surprise them

941
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: with an unwelcome letter in the mail? Oh, bad news,

942
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 3: you owe us a couple hundred bucks nah, I reckon

943
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: it's good. I reckon it's good. After all, the most

944
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: important thing about a speed camera is ultimately not whether

945
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: it makes us money, but whether it makes drivers slow down.

946
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 3: That is the whole point. And the key thing about

947
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: permanent speed cameras is if they're in high danger areas. Right,

948
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: I see. I would much rather get all vehicles to

949
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: slow down in a high danger area and save a

950
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: few accidents, then get some vehicles slowing down and make

951
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: a few bucks. But of course, there is one way

952
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: to improve the system. Put up your permanent speed cameras.

953
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: Put up your permanent speed camera warning signs, but then

954
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: add a couple of one hundred extra signs for good measure,

955
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: not too many, just enough and in just the right

956
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: places for it to seem believable. You don't need the cameras,

957
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: just put up the signs. After all, it is not

958
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: the fines that matter. It's not the cameras that matter.

959
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: All that really matters is whether or not drivers slow down.

960
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: Jack Team ninety two is the text number if you

961
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: want to get in touch. We have had gazillions of

962
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: texts that I will do my very best to get

963
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: to Jack. In the professional era, Andrew Martin's got his

964
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: weight to ninety five kgs?

965
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 10: Did he?

966
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: Brent? How do you know that? Who would be a

967
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: better example? Terry Wright in his in non professional era,

968
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: Terry Wright in his lighter days. Maybe I'll get to

969
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: build more of your feedback very shortly, including your text

970
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: regarding speed cameras. After five point thirty, a christ Church

971
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: based Catholic order has had its authority removed and its

972
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: priests have been stripped of their religious faculties. We'll give

973
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: you the details on that. News is next on newstalk ZEDB, the.

974
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: Day's newsweakers talk to Jack First, Jack daime on Hither

975
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: Duplicy Allan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected

976
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: News Talk BB.

977
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: With Jack daim In for head the Duplicy Alan. Tomorrow

978
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: is the big day all eyes on Stats and Z

979
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: their quarterly Consumer Price Index data. It's the sort of

980
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: thing that we don't usually care about that much, but

981
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: at the moment it's absolutely vital when it comes to

982
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank and whatever decision they're going to make

983
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: around the ocr So for the last data, we're at

984
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: four percent. That was the annualized data for the CPI

985
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: for the quarter to the end of March. The banks

986
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: ain z at asb picking three point three, Kiwi Bank

987
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: three point four, Westpac three point five. Tell you what,

988
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: it'd be nice to see something's done with it. Two.

989
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: That would be very nice. Indeed, it might hurry the

990
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank on a little bit. But we are expecting

991
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: those numbers tomorrow. We'll talk to Brad Olsen from infor

992
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: metrics after six o'clock tonight get his pick on what

993
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: that baseline number might be. Right now is twenty three

994
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: minutes to six.

995
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: Jack Team and the.

996
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: Leaders of a controversial Catholic group have been forbidden from

997
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: practicing in the christ Church Diocese. The Sons of the

998
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: Most Holy Redeemer have been accused of abuse and of

999
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: carrying out unauthorized exorcisms. After a Vatican investigation, all members

1000
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: of the group have been asked to leave the christ

1001
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: Church Diocese by Bishop Michael Gelin or Gielan rather. Peter

1002
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: Linham is a religious expert from Massi University and is

1003
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: with us this evening. High Peter, Yeah, hello, yeah, very well,

1004
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: thank you. So what actually happens to this group now.

1005
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 20: Well, we will have to wait and see. They've lost

1006
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 20: their license to act as Catholic priests, so they can't

1007
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 20: conduct the Mass, they can't conduct baptisms or any other

1008
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 20: of the seven sacraments of the Catholic Church. That may

1009
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 20: not stop them, because this group was once a renegade

1010
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 20: group pulled back into the Catholic Church by the previous pope.

1011
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 20: I wonder whether they'll go out again into the cold.

1012
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: Ah right, And one of the group's supporters says they're

1013
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: going to take legal action against the Church over this.

1014
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: Can they do that?

1015
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 20: No, of course, they can't take legal action about them.

1016
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 20: The pope has complete authority over the priests. The priests

1017
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 20: sign a piece of paper submitting to the vows of

1018
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 20: obedience to the church. If they choose to disobey, well

1019
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 20: they're not part of the church, as simple as that.

1020
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: Really, Do we know what the Vatican's investigation actually found.

1021
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 20: Yeah, well no, we had hasn't been released to it,

1022
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 20: but they did it. They took it very seriously. They

1023
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 20: sent a retired bishop from Australia and he went in

1024
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 20: and we understand that he talked widely to both the

1025
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 20: people who were reporting abuse and to the people who

1026
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 20: were involved in the services. I'm not sure whether the

1027
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 20: actual priests talked to them because they seemed to be

1028
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 20: inclined to do their own thing, and so it was

1029
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 20: probably pretty thorough and Michael Gelan's letter looks as though

1030
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 20: he felt he had absolutely no choice and this gave

1031
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 20: him complete authority on an order from the Vatican that

1032
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 20: they had to be suspended. And it's interesting because it

1033
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 20: was from midnight on Sunday night, very precise. Yes, they've

1034
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 20: got to stop.

1035
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is very precise. Indeed, So just theoretically, then,

1036
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: is there anything to stop this group from, say, getting

1037
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 3: on the phone to the Bishop of Aberdeen, or breaking

1038
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: away from Catholicism and taking their supporters and followers with them.

1039
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 20: No, Well, the Bishop of Aberdeen. That's interesting because I

1040
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 20: would have thought that he would be very quickly informed

1041
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 20: that the original branch of this was formed in the

1042
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 20: Orkney Islands and then strange place to extend themselves to

1043
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 20: to the other end of the world, to christ Church.

1044
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 20: But that's what they did. They could retreat there, the

1045
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 20: priests were once there. But I would have thought that

1046
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 20: the Bishop of Aberdeen would probably say, well, presumably much

1047
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 20: the same applies to you. I don't want to have

1048
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 20: the risk unless he's a very conservative bishop of course.

1049
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1050
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1051
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: What do you think of the Catholic Church's handling of

1052
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: this whole situation.

1053
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 20: I think initially very poor. I think initially there were

1054
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 20: a lot of complaints from over a period of five

1055
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 20: years about things were going wrong under the previous bishop,

1056
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 20: now Archbishop Paul Martin. Nothing seems to have been done.

1057
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 20: They seem to have just made cursor examinations. They didn't

1058
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 20: even reply to some of the complainants. Then the new

1059
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 20: bishop arrived and pressure was brought to bearby TV three's

1060
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 20: reporter Michael Morrow, who did a great job I think.

1061
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 20: And then very very quickly Gillan was over in Spain

1062
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 20: to attend the World Use Day, dropped in on the

1063
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 20: Vatican said I've got a problem, and you know, action

1064
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 20: took place. Cathy Church never rushes things, but in Vatican

1065
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 20: time this has been fairly prompt.

1066
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1067
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: Right. So do you think these allegations need to go

1068
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: to the police.

1069
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 20: I think some of the allegations have gone to the police.

1070
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 20: They are serious. They are all the stuff of the

1071
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 20: things that led to the churches being subject to the

1072
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 20: Royal Commission on Faith Based Groups. You know, it went

1073
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 20: beyond state care at the request of the church. Interestingly,

1074
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 20: but I mean for sure, when the report comes out,

1075
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 20: probably next week, we are going to hear a significant

1076
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 20: list of you know, massive issues that particularly the Catholic Church,

1077
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 20: but a lot of other churches too have faced over

1078
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 20: these issues. No, and I think some of those complainants

1079
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 20: have every right to sue the congregation, which does own property,

1080
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 20: and to demand compensation.

1081
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be very interesting to watch that. Thank you

1082
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: so much. Peter Lynham with us this evening. Right now,

1083
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: it is eighteen minutes to six.

1084
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,200
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1085
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,440
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1086
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,320
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1087
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: Institute and Alie Jones from red PR Calder.

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Speaker 5: Kordaa get a.

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00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 3: Let's start off with the US and Allie. Donald Trump

1090
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: has picked JD. Vance as his running mate and confirmed

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00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: as Republican candidate the Republican National Convention. Had you heard

1092
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: of J. D. Varnes before today?

1093
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 21: No, I hadn't, and I didn't really want to know

1094
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 21: much about him, but I felt that it would have

1095
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 21: been remissive me not to at least done, you know,

1096
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 21: I have done a little bit of research. I was frightened.

1097
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 21: I was frightened before this news, and now I'm petrified.

1098
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 21: This guy is really scary. I mean, he not only

1099
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 21: echoes Trump's position on a number of key issues. He's louder,

1100
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 21: he's harder, he's more revolting in his positions. Right, so

1101
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 21: he doesn't want any supporter helps go to Ukraine and women,

1102
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 21: well we all know where Trump sits on women. That

1103
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 21: came out wrong. And on the abortion issue, Vance has

1104
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 21: said that women should not have abortions even if the

1105
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 21: pregnancy as the result of him says or rape. I mean,

1106
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 21: this guy is just revolting. And you know, it's interesting

1107
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 21: that he has spoken so negatively of Trump in the past.

1108
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 21: And I wonder if it's a way to say to people, Hey,

1109
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 21: this guy didn't like me, Now he likes me and

1110
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 21: I really like him. This could work for you too,

1111
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 21: I mean, is that part of the plan.

1112
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: It's a very interesting character. So for those who aren't

1113
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: aware of his background, he was a best selling author

1114
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: who wrote Hillbilly Allergy. He's had some pretty high profile

1115
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: corporate gigs over the years. Being a literary man, you

1116
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: would have read He'll Billy allergy, hadn't you done?

1117
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 18: I do know that it was well reviewed by the

1118
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 18: New York Times, so she isn't typically accustomed who reviewing

1119
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 18: the books written by Republicans agreeably. Hey look, Ellie, I

1120
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 18: respect you. I think you're amazing, but I could not

1121
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 18: disagree more with you, particularly as my birth mother conceived

1122
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 18: me at fourteen, had me at fifteen, and I have

1123
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 18: a very different view on abortion to you.

1124
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: Now.

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00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 18: I don't see how the circumstances of my conception were

1126
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 18: not my fault. I don't see why I should be

1127
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 18: ever blamed for it, and that's just sorry I had

1128
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 18: to go there.

1129
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 22: I think JD.

1130
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 18: Vance is a fascinating character. He's had more lives than

1131
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 18: almost any of us. I mean, what is a raised

1132
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 18: port in Appalachia? He was a marine and Iraq, went

1133
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 18: to law school, a venture capitalist, a senator, and yes,

1134
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 18: a well reviewed author. We need politicians who had previous lives.

1135
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 18: He's had tons go for it.

1136
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: My position to is that I think he certainly reinforces

1137
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: the base.

1138
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 17: Right.

1139
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: There's no one who wasn't going to vote for Donald

1140
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: Trump who now are seeing that he has JD. Vance

1141
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: as vice presidential Peck is now going to be brought

1142
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: on to support Donald Trump. But the thing is, he knows,

1143
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: he knows the Midwest, he knows the Ross Belt, he

1144
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: knows the kind of people in the kind of communities

1145
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: that are ultimately going to decide the election, the likes

1146
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin where this RNC is being held.

1147
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: So in a way, do you think jd Vance's peck

1148
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: is just an opportunity to kind of excite the base

1149
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: rather than expand it.

1150
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 18: Tim, Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I think you're

1151
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 18: right there. I think also does add a deepening to

1152
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 18: whatever you might call Trump's you know, Trump's platforms, and

1153
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 18: one of the things, you know, to his to his

1154
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 18: change of heart on Trump, he despised Trump in twenty sixteen.

1155
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 18: He called them cultural heroism, heroine, pardon me, cultural.

1156
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: Heroine America's Hitler.

1157
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, exactly. His view was that this populism doesn't

1158
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 18: have any policy base. But then he saw what Trump

1159
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 18: did policy wise, and he said, I changed my mind.

1160
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 18: And I admire people who changed their minds when they've

1161
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 18: got the evidence.

1162
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 6: Jacob.

1163
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 21: The issue here is, and look, I take Tim's point about,

1164
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 21: you know, abortion, and that's going to be a personal

1165
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 21: decision and position, and you know, I would never force

1166
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 21: that on anyone, but this guy, and both of them

1167
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 21: are forcing this on women talking about the abortion issue,

1168
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 21: and it's hugely polarizing. But what's frightening I think about

1169
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 21: Vrance especially, and I've looked at some video of him,

1170
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 21: is that he's charismatic. He's articulate. You don't stick him

1171
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 21: in the lunatic box as easily as you do Trump,

1172
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 21: and I think that's what makes him really frightening. He

1173
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 21: can write, he's well known, he appeals to that ross

1174
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 21: belt and I think that and he's young, he's energetic,

1175
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 21: you know, And I think that's why I'm finding it

1176
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 21: really frightening that the sky is going to be there

1177
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 21: sort of shadowing and supporting Trump in his lunacy.

1178
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: Tell you what, it's going to be an amazing couple

1179
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: of days watching the events in Milwaukee. So they tend

1180
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: to drip feed these things out. So it was day

1181
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: one today. We'll expect Jadie Vance to make a big

1182
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: speech in the next couple of days, and then of

1183
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: course Donald Trump will be doing the same thing, and

1184
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: you can only imagine what that's going to be like.

1185
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: He says he's changed his speech from his original plans

1186
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: in the wake of that attempted assassination. But yeah, pretty

1187
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: remarkable to see his entrance today in Milwaukee. We'll be

1188
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: back with the Huddle Allie Jones and Tim Wilson in

1189
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes. Right now, it's thirteen to six the.

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Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional Marketing for

1191
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: Every Property.

1192
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 3: SAD News Today. Norm Hewitt, for All Black Dancing with

1193
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: the Stars Champion public health Advocate, has died at the

1194
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: age of fifty five. Tim. I know you're not a

1195
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: big Rugby fan, but you must have been a dance

1196
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 3: but the Stars fan, won't you.

1197
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 18: Oh well, you know I waited for the call. It

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 18: never came, unfortunately.

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Speaker 23: That's okay, and it's said.

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 22: And when I heard when I heard the.

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01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 18: Age, I mean fifty five, I'm fifty eight, and that

1202
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 18: just it just seems so so very young. But what

1203
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 18: I admired about him, and it was great to hear

1204
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 18: Laurie Mains throwing that in the mix as well, was

1205
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 18: his character in the sense that you know, what is

1206
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 18: it He broke into a hotel room after getting on

1207
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 18: the Rastaz that wasn't his own, and he sort of

1208
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 18: reformed himself and he had a great It was a

1209
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 18: great mentor to young men who need mentoring, as saying,

1210
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 18: your current circumstances don't define your future, and that's a

1211
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 18: message people need to hear, particularly young guys.

1212
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 21: Yeah, Allie, how do you remember Norm Heartt Yeah, look,

1213
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 21: I've got nothing to add to that, because I think

1214
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 21: Tim summed it up absolutely beautifully. I didn't follow the

1215
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 21: rugby closely. I certainly didn't follow Dancing with the Stars either,

1216
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 21: But didn't you know that age.

1217
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: It was huge. That was the first season. Oh no,

1218
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: it was all go. That was it. It was all go.

1219
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: There was twenty years ago. Twenty years ago.

1220
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing.

1221
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 18: I'll tell you what, Ellie, Ellie, Jack coloneia the videotapes

1222
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 18: he's still got.

1223
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: The thing is he was born was well, no, the

1224
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: thing is the norm because he was a big, burly

1225
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: rugby player, but he was so kind of dainty and nimble,

1226
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: you know, and he had a really good sense of balance.

1227
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 3: So it was really amazing.

1228
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 21: Yeah, and look, I might try and look at it

1229
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 21: a little bit later. The point that him made about

1230
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 21: him being fifty five. You know, I'm fifty six.

1231
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 5: Or fifty seven.

1232
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 21: I can never work it out. And it's you know,

1233
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 21: it's the same for me too. You go, oh, my

1234
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 21: goddad is so young. But condolence as to the family,

1235
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 21: I mean moting your own helmful.

1236
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. Ellie. What do you think about

1237
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: having warning sides for speed cameras.

1238
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 21: I think it's brilliant. I do like to have the

1239
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 21: opportunity to not get a big fact ticket. I mean

1240
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 21: who doesn't, right, So it is not one speed camera

1241
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 21: in christ such well there wasn't six months ago, not

1242
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 21: a single one, right, So this is very new to us,

1243
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 21: and so I'm very happy to be driving along and

1244
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 21: see a little sign that goes hi. You might be

1245
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 21: going a little fast, but you know, slow down because

1246
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 21: then you won't get a ticket or you know, I'm

1247
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 21: very happy to get a warning. And if people slow

1248
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 21: down and there's not actually a speed camera there, then

1249
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 21: that's working. I don't have a problem with it, Jack, Tim.

1250
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 18: Yeah, look, I liked your comments just before the news.

1251
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 18: Which is the issue here is safety. Those signs will

1252
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 18: produce that. I mean, look, can we extend this a

1253
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 18: little bit? Warning signs without the speed cameras, murd them around,

1254
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 18: keep people just a little on the back foot. I

1255
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 18: think I'm all for it.

1256
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, good well.

1257
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: Another sitation we've had on the text is that if

1258
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: police really need to make a few extra bucks just

1259
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: to plump up the government coffers or the state coffers

1260
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: at the moment, maybe they could have the mobile speed

1261
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: cameras just past the permanent speed camera. So if anyone

1262
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: does go through lolows down just in time for the

1263
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: permanent camera, gets through, speeds up again, Bam, they'll be pinged.

1264
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: So that way you get them both ways. Thank you

1265
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: so much for your time, guys. Alie Jones from red PR,

1266
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 3: Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute Our huddle this evening.

1267
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: It's seven to six.

1268
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1269
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

1270
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

1271
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Speaker 2: News Talk.

1272
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 3: As the be So, we were talking to former All

1273
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: Back coach Laurie Maines, who was recalling Norm Hewitt the

1274
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 3: first time he selected Norm Hewitt in the All Blacks.

1275
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: He said back in the day that he used to

1276
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 3: assign oither. Frank Bunce Rollo Brown is a bit of

1277
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: a supporter for Norm Hewitt, bit of a minder if

1278
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: the team was going out for an evening. Well, it

1279
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: turns out that Frank Bunce and Olo Brown weren't the

1280
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: only ones with that role. Jamie McKay, of all people,

1281
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 3: was also given that role once upon a time. He's

1282
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: gonna be with us after six o'clock this evening with

1283
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: his memories of his old friend Norm Hewitt, And I mean,

1284
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: you know, it really is quite incredible just to try

1285
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: and go back in time a little bit twenty years

1286
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: or so and think about how Norm Hewitt promoted those

1287
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 3: really good public health messages, how he went through a

1288
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 3: bit of dark stuff in his life but was able

1289
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: to see the ways in which he could get through

1290
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: that he could build a better, more responsible life, and

1291
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 3: the ways in which he imparted those messages onto other people,

1292
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: and in particular onto other young men. So we'll talk

1293
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: to Jamie McKay about that after six o'clock this evening.

1294
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: Andy has flipped me a note jack. Speed camera notifications

1295
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: are a win win as far as I'm concerned. They

1296
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: effectively slow traffic down where conditions are clearly needing slower speeds,

1297
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: and that is the whole purpose of them. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean I tend to agree. It's very hard to quantify, right,

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Speaker 3: What is more likely someone who's speeding is going to speed,

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Speaker 3: is going to drive more safely for a longer period

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Speaker 3: if they've received a fine. Maybe, But by focusing these

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Speaker 3: permanent speed cameras and the permanent speed camera warning signs

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Speaker 3: in areas where we know this high risk and there

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Speaker 3: are lots of accidents, I think that makes a lot

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Speaker 3: of sense anyway. Ninety two ninety two. If you want

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Speaker 3: to flick us a note this evening, jackidnewstalksb dot Co

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Speaker 3: dot NZ after six o'clock per evening concern from physicians

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Speaker 3: about the over prescription of antibiotics, plus what to expect

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Speaker 3: when tomorrow's inflation data is released, News is next?

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Speaker 2: What's down? What were the major calls and how will

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Speaker 2: it affect the economy of the big business questions on

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Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Jack Tam and my hr on newstalksb.

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Speaker 3: CPI data due out from Stats New Zealand tomorrow. This

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Speaker 3: is the quarterly data that of course informs the big

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Speaker 3: decisions from the Reserve Bank, So what's it likely to

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Speaker 3: be well for the last quarter to the end of March.

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Speaker 3: We're at four percent for annualized data. Most of the

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Speaker 3: big banks are picking somewhere in the mid threes tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Really the numbers that are perhaps more hotant to the

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Speaker 3: tradable non tradables, so the offshore versus the domestic inflation.

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Speaker 3: Get this, the last reading in March tradable inflation, so

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Speaker 3: offshore inflation global inflation, if you like, was at one

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Speaker 3: point six percent, non tradables at five point eight So

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Speaker 3: we need to see a big reduction in that number

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Speaker 3: before the Reserve Bank again to feel like they're fully

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Speaker 3: confident for an OCR cut. Anyway, we'll get Brad Olson

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Speaker 3: from Informetric's thoughts on that when he joins us in

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes time. Right now, it's eight minutes

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Speaker 3: past six, Jack Team and a disease physician is calling

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Speaker 3: on healthcare leaders to stop prescribing antibiotics to patients who

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Speaker 3: don't need them. Professor Mark Thomas has warned that New

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Speaker 3: Zealand currently has one of the highest antibiotic resistant rates

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Speaker 3: in the world. His briefing has encouraged toff ufter order

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Speaker 3: and the Royal College of GPS to set goals to

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Speaker 3: reduce inappropriate antibiotic prescribing and disease. Physician Professor Mark Thomas

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Speaker 3: is with us this evening high Mark Hi Jake. So,

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Speaker 3: why is New Zealand's rankings so poorly when it comes

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Speaker 3: to antibartic prescriptions and antibarnic resistance.

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Speaker 22: It's just been a culture that has built up over

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Speaker 22: a long period of time, decades of gradually increasing for

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Speaker 22: some decades of rates of gradually increasing antibotic prescribing for

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Speaker 22: people in the community. People in the community consume about

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Speaker 22: ninety five percent of all the antibiotics that are given

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Speaker 22: to people in New Zealand, so only five percent in hospitals.

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Speaker 22: Most of it's in the community. And it's gradually gone

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Speaker 22: up over the years. It's actually peaked at about twenty

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Speaker 22: and thirteen twenty fourteen and since then has been gradually

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Speaker 22: coming down. But it's but it had got up, and

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Speaker 22: it's still is at high levels compared with most countries

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Speaker 22: in the world.

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Speaker 3: And so for what things are people being inappropriately prescribed antibartics?

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Speaker 22: The things that most people are most commonly inappropriately prescribed

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Speaker 22: antibiotics are colds, the flu, cough, you know, an episode

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Speaker 22: of bronchitis, some children with mild episodes of titus, media

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Speaker 22: people who wouldn't get rheumatic fever but have a sore throat,

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Speaker 22: but have no risk of getting rheumatic fever from the

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Speaker 22: sore throat. So anybody who's not Mari or Pacific and

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Speaker 22: aged to thirty five, they shouldn't be getting antibiotics for

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Speaker 22: a sore throat. So there's lots of what are called

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Speaker 22: upper respiratory tract infections, yeah, but not almost always caused

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Speaker 22: by viruses.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would have thought most doctors are pretty

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Speaker 3: aware of the concerns around antibiotic resistance. Nay, So why

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Speaker 3: would they be prescribing antibiotics for colds and viruses?

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Speaker 22: Well, you've got to think about it. It's a business interaction.

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Speaker 22: The patient is coming to you. You don't have very

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Speaker 22: much time with them. As a general practitioner, you're under

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Speaker 22: pressure all the time. And some patients very strongly expect

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Speaker 22: an antibiotic for those sorts of infections. Others just don't know.

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Speaker 22: But it's sometimes difficult unless the GP asks well what

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Speaker 22: are you expecting? Do you want antibiotics or not? And

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Speaker 22: there's a time pressure, and for some patients there's the feeling, well,

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Speaker 22: I've come to see you, I've taken a lot of

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Speaker 22: time out of my day. My illness is dragged on.

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Speaker 22: I'm feeling terrible. After five or six days, my snot's

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Speaker 22: gone green, I'm still coughing. Whatever else. Just give me

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Speaker 22: something neat to or madam to fix it up. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: and quite a bit of pressure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm dad, you can understand that.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So what are the gold standard countries for antibiotic prescriptions

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Speaker 3: and how might we do a better job of emulating

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Speaker 3: their processes?

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Speaker 22: The gold standard countries are the Netherlands, Sweden and some

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Speaker 22: of the other scan all much pretty much the other Scandinavian.

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Speaker 3: Countries, right, And what do they do well that we don't.

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Speaker 22: Well, they don't we have a big surge and antibiotic

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Speaker 22: prescribing through the autumn and winter and early spring months

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Speaker 22: when the viruses are spreading around a bit more because

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Speaker 22: we're more cramped up inside, and they don't have a

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Speaker 22: big surge, then they don't run a knock on giving

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Speaker 22: ele antibiotics, you know, during those months when people are

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Speaker 22: getting cops and colds, etc. Right, But they start off

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Speaker 22: with a lower baseline as well. Now we are not

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Speaker 22: the same as the Netherlands or Sweden. We have a

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Speaker 22: different population than them. We have more people, you know,

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Speaker 22: in relative poverty, and we have Marian passive people who

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Speaker 22: have a particular issue with getting rheumatic fever and some

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Speaker 22: other higher rate of all sorts of other infections as well.

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Speaker 22: So we will never get down to the same level

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Speaker 22: as them, but we could get closer to them without

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Speaker 22: having a deterioration in the health of the people of

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Speaker 22: New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So talk to us about how you understand the goals

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Speaker 3: for reducing antibodic prescriptions are going to work. Do you

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Speaker 3: understand how that's going to function?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: I think if the Ministry of Health and or the

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Speaker 22: Royal College of General Practitioners said we think that a

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Speaker 22: reduction each year of about five percent in the rate

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Speaker 22: of antibiotic prescribing across the whole country would be a

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Speaker 22: good thing for a number of years, then I think

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Speaker 22: GPS would respond to that encouragement, and I think the

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Speaker 22: general public would hear it and think, ah, yeah, well

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Speaker 22: we should be doing what they're saying, and I won't

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Speaker 22: put my GP under pressure, And maybe when I've got

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Speaker 22: a cold, I'll just stay at home because I can

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Speaker 22: look after myself perfectly well without getting going to the

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Speaker 22: doctor and expecting maybe some antibotics.

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Speaker 3: As someone who's got a lot of expertise in the space, professor,

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Speaker 3: what do you think about as being a worst case

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Speaker 3: possibility in the near future When it comes to antibiotic resistance,

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 22: A gradual thing. It's like, you know, pollution of rivers

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Speaker 22: and lakes with too much fertilizer. This is something the same.

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Speaker 22: It's pollution of the organisms, or you know, a change

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Speaker 22: in the microbiome the families of bacteria that live in

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Speaker 22: US as a result of exposure to all the antibiotics,

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Speaker 22: and it changes slowly, imperceptibly. That's why we tend to

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Speaker 22: forget about it. But it is changing. And what happens

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Speaker 22: is that eventually, and it's all already happening to a

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Speaker 22: very small degree, but it's more overseas in some of

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Speaker 22: the countries that use even more antibotics than US, is

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Speaker 22: that you see patients with bacterial infections and there's three

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Speaker 22: or four antibotics that would have worked well against that

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Speaker 22: bacterium in the past, and there's none now. That work

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Speaker 22: against that particular bacterium that that patient's got, and they

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Speaker 22: end up dying of the infection, or they end up

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Speaker 22: having to have the infected foot, for instance, cut off,

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Speaker 22: because you can't beat the infection with any antibiotics and

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Speaker 22: so you've just got to cut the infected foot off.

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Speaker 22: So yeah, those are those are the worst case scenarios

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Speaker 22: that we see increasing numbers of people with infections that

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Speaker 22: can't be treated and that cause catastrophe and that will

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Speaker 22: happen unfortunately to the populations in New Zealand who have

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Speaker 22: the highest rates of infections and have the highest amount

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Speaker 22: of antibotic treatment. And that's going to be the relatively

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Speaker 22: you know, underprivileged people in our society and particularly Marian

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Speaker 22: Pacific people. It will be a terror if we allow

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Speaker 22: it to have.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That is Professor Mark Thomas. Right now it is quarter past.

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Speaker 2: Six, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 2: duperic Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME on us talks edb. If

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Speaker 2: it's to do with money, it matters to you. The

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Speaker 2: Business Hour with Jack tam and my HR, the HR

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Speaker 2: platform for sme US talks.

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Speaker 3: EDB Matt on the text has flicking me your message, Jack,

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Speaker 3: I reckon that CPR data is going to be a

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Speaker 3: bit of a shock tomorrow. Inflation coming in three point

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Speaker 3: nine four point one percent. Maybe, Matt say it ain't.

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Speaker 3: So let's go to CEO of Informetrics Brad Olson, who

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Speaker 3: is counting down the ours to Statistics New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: their latest CPI data. Tell me Matt's wrong. Brad, tell

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Speaker 3: me he's wrong.

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Speaker 23: Look, I think it'd be pretty heroic for the inflation

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Speaker 23: numbers to remain at that level. Heart we're actually an

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Speaker 23: annual rate of three point three percent, so we think

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Speaker 23: it's actually going to be improving quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the same right, picking three point three.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, around that sort of level. But I mean, I

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Speaker 23: think the thing that we're looking at now and the

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Speaker 23: piece of a puzzle, we're a bit unsure about it.

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Speaker 23: Even if that headline number comes down, do we see

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Speaker 23: enough traction on the non tradable and domestically based inflation front,

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Speaker 23: because that's what the Reserve Bank is worried about. But

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Speaker 23: you look at some of the numbers recently that have

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Speaker 23: come out. Food prices dropping for the first time in

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Speaker 23: the month of June in about six years. You know,

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Speaker 23: that's encouraging. You look at the likes of the pace

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Speaker 23: of rental growth. It's it's high, but it seems to

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Speaker 23: be sort of curving around the other side. So there's

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Speaker 23: some encouraging signs I think that are coming through. The

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Speaker 23: inflation is starting to move into closer to where we

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Speaker 23: want it to be. The challenge all I think the

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Speaker 23: difficulty writes the households is that, sure, three point three

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Speaker 23: percent is a good number, and it is important for

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Speaker 23: monetary policy. It will help you with the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 23: where they want to set interest rates slower. But if

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Speaker 23: I'm a household three point three percent still feels harsh.

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Speaker 23: When it's three point three on top of you know,

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Speaker 23: some pretty big numbers the last couple of years. You've

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Speaker 23: had like a twenty five percent increase in inflation over

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Speaker 23: the last couple of years, So households are still hurting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And in terms of baseline figures,

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Speaker 3: stuff is certainly expensive, but I mean they're closer to

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Speaker 3: three it is the more likely surely that the Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank is going to cut sooner.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean definitely, given their sort of pivot in

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Speaker 23: the last couple of weeks and you know, moving from

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Speaker 23: or moving to a bit of a softer view, if

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Speaker 23: you will, on the economy. And that's sort of consistent

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Speaker 23: with other business surveys as well, which businesses themselves are saying, Look,

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Speaker 23: there's not that great domestic trading conditions out there. As

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Speaker 23: a business, I can't get great numbers of sales. If

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Speaker 23: that's the case, I'm pretty reluctant to put up my

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Speaker 23: prices because they don't want to scare away even more consumers.

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Speaker 23: And so that is, you know, all of that is

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 23: to work in the economy, and I think, you know,

1511
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 23: when we look at the Reserve Bank's outlook, we do

1512
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 23: think that could change around the challenge or the question

1513
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 23: I think, and this is always the struggle. We'd also hate, though,

1514
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 23: to start jumping sort of from one data release to another.

1515
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 23: So we'd hate to see a business survey out a

1516
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 23: couple of weeks ago turn softer and then all of

1517
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 23: a sudden everyone's like, well it's time to cut. If

1518
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 23: inflation came in a bit hotter than expected, you know tomorrow,

1519
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 23: you'd or equally sort of hate it. If everyone then

1520
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 23: moved back to a it's going to take longer to

1521
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 23: cut interest rates position.

1522
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 22: So I think we're.

1523
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 23: Trying to sort of hold our nerve a little bit,

1524
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 23: looking through all the bits of dark to try and go.

1525
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 23: Is this sort of persistent? Are we actually sort of

1526
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 23: properly back towards the goal zone? But gosh, if we

1527
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 23: can get to three point three, that also says that

1528
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 23: comes through to the end of this year, you should

1529
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 23: be back within that one to three target band. If

1530
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 23: that's the case, that certainly should give the Reserve Bank

1531
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 23: a lot more confidence. So we're building that strong picture

1532
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 23: for interest rate cuts at the moment.

1533
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Fingers crossed, Thanks Brad. That is Brad

1534
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: Olsen from Informetrics.

1535
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: A rural report on the heather topers Elan Drive with

1536
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 2: Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

1537
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 3: Host of the Country, Jamie Mackay with us this evening.

1538
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 3: Hey Jamie, Oh hang on this second, Hey, Jamie.

1539
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 5: Hey, good a Jack there, we take two.

1540
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 3: Take two. Hey. I know you are a man of

1541
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 3: many talents, but I didn't know that I'd be putting

1542
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 3: you in the same group as Frank Bunce and Olo Brown.

1543
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: But you are remembering your old mate Norm Hewitt tonight.

1544
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 3: And like those two gentlemen, once upon a time, you

1545
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 3: called your self Norm Hewitt's minder.

1546
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 5: Well, I was asked to be his minder. To be

1547
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 5: perfectly honest, I failed miserably in that job. Jack, Look,

1548
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 5: I meane my connection with Norm Hewitt and I was

1549
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 5: so taken aback to hear he died today, just fifty

1550
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 5: five years of age of motor neuron disease. But my

1551
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 5: connection with Norm came when an outfit called Southland decided

1552
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 5: in the mid nineteen nineties that we would beef up

1553
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 5: the Southland rugby side and had a crack at First

1554
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 5: Division by importing a few players. We took the likes

1555
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 5: Marty Brook, Robin's brother who was an All Black at

1556
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 5: the time, and Norm Hewitt, and he was paid for

1557
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,879
Speaker 5: or funded by the Matara Licensing Trust. I was involved

1558
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 5: with him at the time and the chief then chief

1559
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 5: Executive asked me to be Norm's minder while he was

1560
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 5: down in Southland for two or three years. And as

1561
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 5: I say, I probably failed a bit, especially when he

1562
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 5: was drinking. He was a weep at heart to control.

1563
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 5: But there were two sides to Norm Hewitt, A sober

1564
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 5: Norm Hewitt or Norm Hewitt of latter years, as an

1565
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 5: absolute gentleman and had a certain sort of air of

1566
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 5: grace about him, almost Maori Royalty. I don't know what

1567
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 5: it was, but he had that. He had that mana

1568
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 5: and air of grace about him. So yeah, I failed

1569
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 5: probably looking after Norm, but I loved him as a

1570
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 5: bloke and in recent years, like you, I appear on

1571
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 5: the MC circuit on occasions, and i'd see him when

1572
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 5: he was a keynote speaker at conferences. In my last memory,

1573
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 5: the last time I ran into Norm was at Field

1574
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 5: Days not too many years ago, when he wandered up

1575
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 5: and he did a week slot on our show and

1576
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 5: it was great to connect again and we went and

1577
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 5: had a coffee and that's the last time I saw Norm,

1578
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 5: just one one week statistical comment and I heard LORR

1579
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 5: Maine's tribute to him, which was lovely as well. Norm

1580
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 5: Norm I played for the All Blacks for six seasons

1581
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 5: and only got nine tests. The bloke who was in

1582
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 5: front of him fits he played ninety two tests. If

1583
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 5: Norm was an All Black today he would have played

1584
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 5: seventy or eighty tests. So he was a patient man

1585
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 5: because he rode the pine for a lot of years.

1586
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how well said the GDT auction tonight, Jamie,

1587
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 3: what are you expecting?

1588
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 5: Well, mine's far greater than mine. Jack. I always there's

1589
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 5: a couple I go to, Mike McIntyre at Jardin and

1590
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 5: Emma Higgins at Ravo Bank. Look, it looks like we're

1591
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 5: heading for three down in a row, which is a

1592
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 5: bit depressing considering the last auction on July the second,

1593
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 5: a fortnight ago, was down six point nine percent. Now

1594
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 5: the futures market is picking at powder's skim milk. Powder

1595
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 5: whole could be down by as much as five percent.

1596
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 5: Mike mcintires saying the GDT index cross the basket of

1597
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:22,879
Speaker 5: goods down three percent. Emma Higgins is slightly more positive

1598
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 5: out a Ravo Bank. She's saying powders could be down

1599
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 5: to two and a bit percent due to increased Northern

1600
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 5: Hemisphere volumes on the GDT platform. There is a rider

1601
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 5: to this, So Jack, if you're going to get a

1602
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 5: drop in the GDT auction results, now it's not a

1603
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 5: bad time of the year. It's effectively our off season.

1604
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 5: Our payment is locked and loaded for the season just gone,

1605
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 5: and we've got a long way to go till September

1606
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five before we announced the payout for the

1607
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 5: season we're currently in.

1608
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: And Jamie, are we living through the beginning of the

1609
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 3: end for free trade?

1610
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 5: I don't know I should ask you. I know you

1611
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in the States following the

1612
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 5: likes of Shrump and Biden. Look, I was just reading

1613
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 5: an interesting article Jack and Farmers Weekly, and I do

1614
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 5: need to credit them for putting this together. They're basically

1615
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 5: saying both candidates Biden and Trump look like they're going

1616
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,919
Speaker 5: to have presidential election policies imposing tariffs on imported products

1617
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 5: that could provoke global retaliation. Obviously, China's their primary target.

1618
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 5: China's one of the world's biggest traders, if not the

1619
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 5: world's biggest trader, so that's going to have an effect

1620
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 5: on US. Donald Trump is going to threatening to impose

1621
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 5: a sixty percent tariff on all imports from China and

1622
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 5: add a ten percent tariff on imports from the rest

1623
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 5: of the world. That would sting. And while Joe Biden's

1624
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 5: already moved on the Chinese for instance, if you want

1625
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 5: to buy Chinese electric vehicle, you'll pay one hundred percent tariff.

1626
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's massive A thank you so much, Jamie. That's

1627
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,879
Speaker 3: Jamie MacKaye, Host of the Country. It's a very good point. Actually,

1628
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: after Trump's first term, a lot of people thought that

1629
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 3: Joe Biden would want line back a lot of those

1630
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: trade policies with China, but actually, if anything, he's kind

1631
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: of doubled down on them. So it'd be interesting to

1632
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 3: see if we do have a second term of a

1633
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: Trump presidency, just how much he increases those Again, it's

1634
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 3: like an arms race at the moment. News is next

1635
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,839
Speaker 3: on Newstalk ZB.

1636
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Jack Team

1637
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR

1638
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: platform for s Ons talks.

1639
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: When it comes to political philosophies, you would have to

1640
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 3: say Britain's new Prime Minister Kiir Starmer, George's Georgia and

1641
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 3: Italy's lead Georgia Maloney would be at opposite ends of

1642
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: the scale. However, Kirstarmer has reached out to Georgia Maloney

1643
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: for a very interesting conversation. We're going to take you

1644
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: live to the UK before seven o'clock this evening give

1645
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: you the details on that right now though. It is

1646
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 3: twenty three minutes to seven and the government team is

1647
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: considering rolling back insulation standards because of overheating and new

1648
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: build cost blowouts. The new standards are estimated to save

1649
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: a new home around forty percent on heating. Building and

1650
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: Construction Minister Chris Penk has reportedly asked mb to quote

1651
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 3: urgently investigate the cost of the changes. John Tukey is

1652
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 3: a professor of construction at aut and is with us

1653
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 3: this evening. Hi, John, good evening overheating and new built.

1654
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 3: Is this a thing?

1655
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 17: It's a new one for me. I have to say,

1656
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 17: I just looked at it one seriously. Really is that

1657
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 17: a thing? I'm not sure? I'll say, not so much.

1658
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's the problem.

1659
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 17: Okay, So the issue here is it comes down to

1660
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 17: the cost of acquisition and through life costs and the

1661
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 17: difference between the two.

1662
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 23: Right.

1663
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 17: So, if you when you acquire a new build and

1664
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 17: you try to upgrade the capability of the new build

1665
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 17: to be able to deal with insulation and but whatever,

1666
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 17: you know, pick an issue, then you you have to

1667
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 17: spend more. And that's the way of things, and they're

1668
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 17: spending more in the short term means that long term

1669
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 17: is through the through life sales or sorry, through life

1670
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 17: costs associated with you know, fifty years or more of

1671
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 17: operation means that you make it all back and more

1672
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 17: just on the basis of the lower costs.

1673
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 3: Right. So what you're saying is that it makes more

1674
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 3: financial scenes to look at things over the longer term,

1675
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 3: and that justifies the investment in really good quality insulation

1676
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 3: when a building is constructed.

1677
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 17: As a general sum, absolutely, I mean you're talking about

1678
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 17: relatively speaking, a few thousands of dollars upfront as opposed

1679
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 17: to tens of thousands of dollars through life. You know,

1680
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 17: you're if you're talking about fifty sixty seventy years of

1681
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 17: the operation of the build, then guess what, you know,

1682
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 17: you're going to get get a better bang for your

1683
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 17: book over the long time rather than the short time.

1684
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 10: Right.

1685
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 3: So the thing that the Minister is apparently investigating at

1686
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: those upgrades to insulation and glazing requirements that were introduced

1687
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 3: in May of last year. So how significant were those changes?

1688
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 3: Oh are you there? John?

1689
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 10: Well?

1690
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: What if you I've lost John, we'llever we can get

1691
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: him back in a moment. So this has come about

1692
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 3: because of official because of correspondence that has been released

1693
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 3: under the Official Information Act to arn Z and in

1694
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 3: which case the Minister was warned about upgrades potentially leading

1695
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 3: to some overheating, although it was noted that in that

1696
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 3: official information apparently those upgrades had overwhelming support. I mean,

1697
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it probably all depends on the nature of

1698
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 3: the upgrades, but you know, they certainly reduced heating requirements

1699
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 3: according to this information, and like a four bedroom home

1700
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 3: by up to forty percent, which is significant. And when

1701
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 3: you imagine what energy bills might be over the lifetime

1702
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 3: of a house or said building, you think you'd make

1703
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 3: that money back in no time. Sorry, Sorry, John, I

1704
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: think you beck with us now. I was just asking.

1705
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 17: I'm back. I'm definitely back. West of Auckland is a

1706
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 17: wonderful place.

1707
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 3: It certainly is, just not when it comes to cel

1708
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 3: phone reception. So how significant were those changes to insulation

1709
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 3: and glazing requirements that were introduced last year?

1710
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 17: Look the way of you, I mean to sit here

1711
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 17: and start complaining about overheating is laughable. No, it's not

1712
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 17: an issue as far as overheating is concerned. Guess what

1713
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 17: all you have to do is I don't know, open

1714
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 17: a window, knew who knew that this could fix it?

1715
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 17: It's not complicated long term. If you're interested as an organization,

1716
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 17: as a country, or anything else in terms of being

1717
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 17: able to deal with you know, greenhouse gas emissions and

1718
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 17: bloody blah, then you know, guess what you're going to

1719
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 17: have to You're going to have to insulate. You're going

1720
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 17: to have to insulate effectively. You're going to have to

1721
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 17: insulate over the long term, and you're going to have

1722
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 17: to deal with that cost up front. You know, to

1723
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 17: to to play games and start talking about this notion

1724
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 17: of overheating. My god, yeah, really you know this, this

1725
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 17: this is not a thing.

1726
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 3: Well it's in good faith. Let's take the other side

1727
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 3: of the argument. Let's take the capital out lay and

1728
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 3: so say, you know, the insulation costs forty or fifty

1729
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to meet the eight one standard. What is

1730
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:52,440
Speaker 3: the likelihood that their expense for people or companies building houses? Ultimately,

1731
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 3: is the difference between us addressing you know, the housing

1732
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 3: shortage and not addressing it as effectively as we might

1733
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: is having that standard costing us in terms of new houses?

1734
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 17: Well again, I'm going to come back to the requirements

1735
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 17: that we have as a nation with regard to meeting

1736
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 17: the requirements of the of the climate cords that we've

1737
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 17: signed ourself up to legally as a nation in terms

1738
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 17: of greenhouse gas emissions. Now, am I some sort of

1739
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 17: zelop that's going to sit here and say, oh, we

1740
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 17: need to do this for this reason. No, that's not

1741
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 17: my point. You know, if you're talking about the long

1742
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 17: term through life costs associated with the expenditure on heating, right,

1743
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 17: let's say that fifty years is your baseline. Fifty years

1744
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 17: is your baseline, and you've spent fifty thousand dollars at

1745
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 17: thousand dollars a year at current prices, you know, which

1746
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 17: equates to a lot more over the longer term, you know,

1747
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 17: in the future future cost basis. You know, I'm sorry,

1748
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 17: but you know it is an absolute no brainer in

1749
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 17: terms of in terms of savings made, and it's also

1750
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 17: some substantial change in terms of the total amount of

1751
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 17: greenhouse gas emissions and blah blah blah that is that

1752
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 17: is required. You can't have it both ways. You can't

1753
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 17: just sit and say, well, we're going to sit here,

1754
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 17: We're going to go for the lowest cost of acquisition,

1755
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 17: and it's a case that's nice, but actually, if you

1756
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 17: if you really are serious, if you're really playing the

1757
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 17: game of being able to achieve all these outcomes. And

1758
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 17: by the way, all governmental ministers are going to be

1759
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 17: really keen on saying, oh, yes, we've met our climate

1760
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 17: obligations and so forth, all of them throughout the Western

1761
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 17: world are very keen on this. Then you know that

1762
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 17: there is a there's a there's a payment of the

1763
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 17: paper that's required.

1764
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, And I suppose you know when you

1765
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: when you think about all of those related costs, right,

1766
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 3: even just the healthcare costs from from people who have

1767
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 3: illnesses that might have been prevented had they been living

1768
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 3: in warmer, dryer home. So I mean, there are all

1769
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 3: sorts of flow on effigs that you can imagine that

1770
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: are quite hard to equate for, to account for. But

1771
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: but but significant.

1772
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is. And you know, you know, at what

1773
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 17: point do we do we step back from going for

1774
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 17: the lowest cost of acquisition? You know, I'm serious. You know,

1775
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 17: as we sit here now, the biggest single issues associated

1776
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 17: with this government and the previous government, in the previous

1777
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 17: government prior to that, in the previous government pride of that.

1778
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 17: I've been talking about this stuff in the last couple

1779
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 17: of decades, and I'm telling you here and now the

1780
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 17: issues are around infrastructural acquisition. They are about dealing with

1781
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 17: things like stormwater, ruff toilets, flipping, dealing with you know, sewerage,

1782
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 17: water supply, power roading, all the other infrastructure around, dealing

1783
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 17: with you know, having doctors, surgeries and hospitals and YadA, YadA, YadA.

1784
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 17: All this stuff is are things that we need to

1785
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 17: consider and to play the game. And this is not

1786
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 17: me being political in any way, shape or form, but

1787
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 17: to actually say with a straight face that we're going

1788
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 17: to now talk about the problems of overheating really in

1789
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 17: New Zealand. Are you sure? Yeah? Really, I'm honestly, I'm

1790
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 17: I'm I'm at a loss to know how to respond

1791
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 17: to that. I'm sorry that that's that's a fatuous position

1792
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 17: to take.

1793
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time, John, We really

1794
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 3: appreciate it. That is John Tookey, who's a professor at

1795
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: a UT right now it is quarter to seven on

1796
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 3: news talks.

1797
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: He'd be whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1798
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: It's all on a Business Hour with.

1799
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 2: Jack Tame and my HR, the HR platform for SMEB.

1800
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Glenn has flipped me and up to say Jack, thanks

1801
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 3: for that. Overheating is actually an issue, though primarily due

1802
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 3: to the amount of unshaded glazing facing east or west,

1803
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 3: which is more common as we build a higher density,

1804
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 3: the increased insulation then keeps the excess heat in. But

1805
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: insulation is not the problem. Lack of shading, the lack

1806
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 3: of proper mechanical ventilation is as well as windows in

1807
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,879
Speaker 3: silly places. We need to keep the H one upgrades,

1808
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 3: but introduce upgrades to shading and ventilation requirements to suit.

1809
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 3: Thank you Glenn, that is a very thoughtful message ninety

1810
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: two if you want to flick us a note as well.

1811
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 3: Time now to catch up with the UK correspondent in

1812
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: the Bradyinda, Hey jacko a very well thank you. So

1813
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 3: King Charles is set to open parliament officially.

1814
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 24: He is, and it's a big deal really because this

1815
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 24: is obviously the first labor government of his reign and

1816
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 24: a new Prime Minister just settling into the job in

1817
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 24: care Starmer. It's it's a big deal, so there'll be

1818
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 24: all the pump and pageantry. He will read out all

1819
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 24: the various different bits of legislation that will be brought

1820
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 24: in during this term or the government has had the

1821
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 24: ambition to bring in. There's about thirty five pieces of

1822
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 24: legislation so far already, So all eyes on Westminster tomorrow.

1823
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 24: But Charles is looking fantastic and I think it'll be

1824
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 24: quite a spectacle.

1825
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 3: And some of the legislation coming in will include something

1826
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 3: that will make spiking a specific criminal offense. Is in

1827
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 3: drink spiking right.

1828
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 24: Yes, So this is something really that is badly needed

1829
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 24: because would you believe that the police are actually using

1830
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 24: a piece of law from eighteen sixty one to deal

1831
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 24: with spiking at the moment, I mean, criminals move on

1832
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 24: at pace. The law seems to crawl eighteen sixty one.

1833
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 24: It's some branch of the Public Order Act. So going

1834
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 24: back to the time of Queen Victoria, that is what

1835
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 24: we're looking at the moment, But that will change as

1836
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 24: of tomorrow. Spiking is going to be a separate, specific

1837
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 24: criminal offense. So this is when predominantly guys go to

1838
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 24: bars with these little droplet things or whatever like ro

1839
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 24: hypnol and they're looking to spike women's drinks. We've seen

1840
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 24: incidents of it with people being injected, and men can

1841
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 24: be victims as well, but it is predominant a male

1842
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 24: offense against women. We've seen syringes used, people putting drinks,

1843
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 24: spiking and what have you. It's absolutely disgusting. It's so

1844
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 24: bad that in twenty twenty four we're using legislation from

1845
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 24: eighteen sixty one. So all of that is changing as

1846
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 24: of tomorrow.

1847
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 3: Indo, why are forty five European leaders in Oxfordshire?

1848
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 24: So this is a big deal. Actually, Starmer's government have

1849
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 24: made no secret of the fact that Britain will be

1850
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 24: rebuilding relationships in Europe. I mean they were on the

1851
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 24: floor for the last few years. Europe is looking in.

1852
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 24: They see a new leader, a new kind of political ideology,

1853
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,839
Speaker 24: and they're curious. So while Britain has left the European

1854
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 24: Union and that in itself has been an absolute catastrophe

1855
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 24: for the UK, Starmer still has Britain as a member

1856
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 24: of the European political community. That can't change. Britain is

1857
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 24: still geographically in Europe and will be forever. So all

1858
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 24: these European leaders are being brought to Blenham Palace, which

1859
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 24: is a beautiful play. Actually, if you ever ever get

1860
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 24: over this way. Jacket's absolutely one of the top notch

1861
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 24: destinations to go visit in Britain. It's in Oxfordshire. Winston

1862
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 24: Churchill was actually born there. And the plan is that

1863
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 24: forty five European leaders will arrive here tomorrow. Starmer will

1864
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 24: get a look at them, they'll get a look at him,

1865
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 24: and I think in particular he wants to start building

1866
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 24: relationships and seeing what he can do about migration and

1867
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 24: stopping those boats coming across from France.

1868
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 3: And is this part of the reason is in trying

1869
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 3: to improve relationships in Europe. I think Kyo Sam's reaching

1870
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 3: out to Italy's Prime Minister Georgia Mliiney.

1871
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1872
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 24: So she's been a big leader on this. She's a

1873
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 24: very interesting woman to watch. She is someone who has

1874
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 24: surprised I think since she came into powers. She had

1875
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 24: a lot of far right, kind of right wing rhetoric

1876
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 24: before she got the job. She's toned a lot of

1877
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 24: that down. She's quite smart, She's building alliances in Europe,

1878
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 24: and she is a mover and a shaker. She is

1879
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 24: absolutely a leader going places now. She helped change European

1880
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 24: Unions policy on migration in the last twelve months, and

1881
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 24: I think Starmer realizes that, you know, a lot of

1882
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 24: the migrants who ultimately get on these dinghies in France

1883
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 24: coming to the UK, their first port of entry or

1884
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 24: point of entry in the Europe is the Italian islands

1885
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 24: of Sicily and off Sicily. So Starmer will want to

1886
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 24: speak to her. She has ambitions to have her own

1887
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 24: offshore kind of asylum application processing center. He's already killed

1888
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 24: Orruwanda plan dead on day one, so let's see what happens.

1889
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,560
Speaker 24: But I think, you know, having had fourteen years of

1890
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 24: everyone here being told that, you know, be suspicious of

1891
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 24: Europe and we don't want to be friends with these neighbors.

1892
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,640
Speaker 24: There are so many problems. We've got a war in

1893
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 24: Europe right now. Jack, I think Starmer is smart enough

1894
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 24: to realize that you can only get places if you

1895
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:47,759
Speaker 24: have friends.

1896
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, hey, thanks Cinda, you take care. That

1897
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 3: is Brady UK correspondent Right now. It is seven minutes

1898
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 3: to seven.

1899
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 2: Whether it's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1900
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR

1901
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 2: the HR platform for.

1902
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 3: S use talks. It'd be just coming up to seven

1903
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 3: o'clock on your Tuesday evening after seven Joe Elliott Smith

1904
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 3: for Sports Talk this evening Elliot Smith, he's that bobble.

1905
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 3: That man is his firm?

1906
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 25: Airs was I about to what? Were you about to

1907
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 25: give yourself another hour on the radio? Yeah, on sports Talk,

1908
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 25: got some sporting opinions for the audience.

1909
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 3: No, I'm not back with you until tomorrow afternoon. Until then,

1910
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 3: what have we got to ants?

1911
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 25: There's nothing holding me back by Sean Mendy is to

1912
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 25: play us out tonight on again off against celebrity couple

1913
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 25: Sewn Mendes and Camilla Cabayo.

1914
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 3: Maybe back together again.

1915
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 25: So the evidence that has been put up for this

1916
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 25: is the fact that they went to the Copa America

1917
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 25: Grand Final.

1918
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 3: Together. Did they hang on so they weren't caught in

1919
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 3: the whatever? They probably were caught in those crazy scenes.

1920
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 25: Hopefully they paid for their tickets and didn't sneak in

1921
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 25: through the interview, You had to hope. So yeah, they

1922
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 25: could certainly afford it. Yeah, but yeah, So the thing

1923
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 25: is them sitting together, unfortunately is not really a smoking gun,

1924
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 25: just because they generally stay friends even when they're not dating.

1925
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 25: So going to watch the football with your mate is

1926
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 25: actually quite an normal thing to do, so I don't

1927
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 25: think we can really start an is it because they

1928
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 25: know that all eyes would have been on them, right, yeah,

1929
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 25: come on, and they were smiling for the photos and

1930
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 25: stuff as well.

1931
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 3: But again it's not a smoking gun jack. We'll sleep,

1932
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 3: We'll see how it develops. Yeah, we will keenly anticipate

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