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Speaker 1: More developments overnight. They are going after Yemen. Now obviously

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Speaker 1: the Hooti rebels are there a proxy for Iran, certainly

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Speaker 1: funded and armed by Iran, So lots of developments to

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Speaker 1: be looking at Israel, also saying that they have taken

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Speaker 1: out a second senior Hezbila leader. This was the reaction

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Speaker 2: There is slumbers.

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Speaker 1: Republic of Iran will be on the side of Phlebanon

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Speaker 1: and resistance by all men's and thank you very much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was all he said. Doctor Leon Goldsmith is Otaga

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Speaker 1: University Professor for Middle Eastern and Comparative Politics. He's with

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Speaker 1: us this morning, bent on the show before Leon, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Ryan. What happens here? What happens next?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is extremely significant. I think this

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Speaker 2: is a historic juncture. The love or hate Hassan Masralla.

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Speaker 2: He was a towering figure in the Middle East over

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Speaker 2: the last three decades. So this is right up there

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Speaker 2: with the assassinational Mosada Bashi Jamael and eighty two Yitzakraa

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Speaker 2: beIN yes Arafat or Raffi har Aria in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and five. It's going to be a major juncture that

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Speaker 2: we look back on. I think, so it's clear now

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Speaker 2: that the Israelis are going to go after the so

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Speaker 2: called axis of resistance everywhere. I mean, ISRAELA hasn't been

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Speaker 2: seen in public for over twenty years. He doesn't even

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Speaker 2: address his supporters except by video feeds. So this was

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Speaker 2: clearly something with the Israeli as a plan for a

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Speaker 1: Are they essentially starting a regional war now? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know they're heading well, I suppose in some sense

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Speaker 1: it has been going on for a while. You know,

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Speaker 1: the hooties have been firing into Israel and continues to

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Speaker 1: do so. But Israel is really ramping up its attack

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Speaker 1: on those proxies of Iran.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's something that I've been saying for

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Speaker 2: a while that's they're trying to provoke Iran into a

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Speaker 2: of a front or assault the confrontation. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's gone beyond the rubicon now. I think of Israeli

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Speaker 2: to go after so comin A and Tahran, the leader

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Speaker 2: of Iran has basically gone into secure environment himself, and

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Speaker 2: I think that we're into some syerrup fairly serious origional escalation.

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Speaker 1: Now, what does what is Iran's capability? What does what

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Speaker 1: would a strike look like?

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Speaker 2: From them? Well, well, the thing is, what Iran has

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Speaker 2: always tried to maintain is that his balla is its

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Speaker 2: insurance policy, that's the ber against any kind of Israeli

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Speaker 2: strike directly out of the Iranian leadership. So that essentially

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Speaker 2: is looking increasingly thin and increasingly lucky. It's not going

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Speaker 2: Now I mean this, We have no idea what they

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Speaker 2: may be thinking internally, but that's definitely a possibility.

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Speaker 1: And then of course you've got the United States, where

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Speaker 1: an election has been held and everybody says, oh, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: we'll get a ceasefire. You know, we'll get a cease

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Speaker 1: fire for Gaza, We'll get a cease fire for you know, Russia.

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Speaker 1: We'll get a seat fire for Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: Well, the US is looking incredibly impotent in this situation,

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Speaker 2: and it's basically just being used and exploited by it

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Speaker 2: as it basically is sort of obliged to stand behind

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Speaker 2: and watch with horror as they draw them into this

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Speaker 1: New Zealand has designated Hisbella as a terrorist entity. This

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Speaker 1: was in twenty ten, but not the political wing. Do

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Speaker 1: we need to do that or should we change? What

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Speaker 1: do we do about this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you look at Australia and Canada, they

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Speaker 2: don't make any distinction. But I don't know how important

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Speaker 1: No, if they're not listening to the US, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to listen to us. Doctor Leon Goldsman, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your time. I Taga University Professor for

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Speaker 1: And we haven't got a statement because they probably would

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Speaker 1: have been sleeping anyway. We'll keep asking them about that,

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