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Speaker 2: Joining me tonight. Maximums to Thomas Scriminger, Hi, Thomasday, good

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Speaker 2: to have you on the show. Welcome. And Josie Pegani

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Speaker 2: from Child Funders with us tonight as she always is

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Speaker 2: on a Monday. Josie, good evening, good day. Hey, we'll

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Speaker 2: come back to this whole bru hahar over Benjamin Doyle.

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Speaker 2: But kick off with the fairies, because this is this

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Speaker 2: is a well, I mean, what did we learn today?

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Speaker 2: We learned we're getting two hundred meter long fairies. They'll

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Speaker 2: be twenty eight meters wind, fifteen hundred passengers per piece,

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Speaker 2: and crucially they'll have rail on board. Winston's quite happy

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Speaker 2: with this. Cabinet has agreed, Josie, is this a win?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, it's cheaper than the original cost. So let's

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Speaker 3: remember where we were under the last government, where it

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Speaker 3: was meant to be a seven hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: that was because and don't forget Ryan, this is a business,

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Speaker 3: the ferry business that earns a revenue of one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty million a year, so I'm not sure the

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Speaker 3: cost benefit of this really stacked up when it was

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Speaker 3: three billion dollars. So now we've got something that's cheaper.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that worries me, and thank god we've

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Speaker 3: got something and a decision, because these things are going

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Speaker 3: to crap out in twenty twenty nine, the ones we've got,

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Speaker 3: so we need something. What worries me though, is that

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Speaker 3: I'm not entirely convinced that they have fully costed this,

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Speaker 3: because the reason it ballooned from seven hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: million to three billion was the cost of the port infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So the Minister Wison Peters he's been assured by the

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Speaker 3: experts that there will not be a cost blowout with

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Speaker 3: the infrastructure, and that these fairies are apparently shorter but

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Speaker 3: wider something like that, so they don't need as long

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Speaker 3: as a port as much port infrastructure. I'm just not

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Speaker 3: convinced that bigger fairies, okay, wider longer, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to need some kind of infrastructure. I reckon this will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean once bitten twice Shy Josie and We've

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Speaker 2: So I can forgive you for being a bit skeptical

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Speaker 2: about estimates from Wellington. Thomas. What's your take, Yeah, well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think Josie's right. It's good that we've got a decision,

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Speaker 4: but we don't yet have a contract and that's kind

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Speaker 4: of really the first hurdle. Winston has announced today the

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Speaker 4: kinds of boats he's looking to purchase, has not actually

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Speaker 4: purchased any, so that'll be the first hurdle. And then

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Speaker 4: delivery is always the hardest thing to achieve. By canceling

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Speaker 4: the expensive old planned ferries, we are getting delayed until

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Speaker 4: we get new ones. You were just chatting to Damien McKenzie.

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Speaker 4: He signed a long term contract till twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: He might still be overseas before we get any new fairies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just one thing on that we do need to stop.

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Speaker 3: The government does need to stop announcing announcements of upcoming announcements.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the recent Edleman Trust Barometer,

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Speaker 3: the OECD. So we really are over all governments of

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Speaker 3: all shades at the moment. And part of that, big,

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Speaker 3: big part of that is delivery. So you know, announce

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Speaker 3: the delivery, the contract, the fairies, the final cost and

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Speaker 3: let's just get on with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would appreciate a bit of that too, Thomas

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Speaker 2: and Josie. We'll be back in just a moment. We've

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Speaker 2: got well, lots to discuss Donald Trump. We've got Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Doyle and the issue with GPS. If you're troubling, If

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Speaker 2: News talks there b We're on the huddle with Thomas

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Speaker 2: Scrimer from the Maction Maxim Institute and Josie Bacgaranney from

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Speaker 2: Child Fund. Just had a quick email from Courtney and Brisbane.

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Speaker 2: She says, love listening into the show on LB coming

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand. It won't happen. They haven't made it

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Speaker 2: Nichola willis with us after six talk more about that.

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Speaker 2: But on this Green's MP Benjamin Doyle and the whole

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Speaker 2: what's going on, Thomas? What is your take here? Do

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't hone in on the fact that he's spokesperson

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Speaker 4: about a public figure, a member of Parliament, who has

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Speaker 4: some relatively explicit language posted on his profiles, and he

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Speaker 4: unprepared to handle this story, even though he'd been in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not like they haven't had many of

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Speaker 2: them to deal with lately, you know, you think they'd

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Speaker 2: be quite good bye now, Jose it's one.

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Speaker 3: It's one a week, isn't it, Ryan? And it does

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Speaker 3: make me think that the Greens, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, you need to focus on the stuff that

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Speaker 3: But on this particular issue, I don't think the problem

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Speaker 3: is the language around the Rainbow community Bible belt bussy.

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Speaker 3: You know, thanks for the explanation. I didn't know what

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Speaker 3: it was either, so thank you for that, Ryan. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that that. The issue isn't that

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Speaker 3: I don't like all this drag queen stuff. The problem

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Speaker 3: is the sexualized content, i e. The words bible belt

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Speaker 3: and that's the issue that people are going. I'm just

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Speaker 3: this was a series of photos it's unfortunate that that

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Speaker 3: phrase bible belt bussy, which is sexualized, ended up on

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Speaker 3: the picture of a child sitting on my knee. But

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Speaker 3: here's what it was all about, the fact that he

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Speaker 3: an anti rainbow thing. It isn't an anti you know,

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Speaker 3: the provocativeness of the gay community. That's all great. Everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Donald Trump, do you believe him when

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Speaker 2: he says Thomas that he'll be going for a third term?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the phrase that people use around Trump

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Speaker 4: is to take him seriously, but don't take him literally. Now,

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Speaker 4: quite possibly he's soft launching his plan to become the

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Speaker 4: next president. But there's plenty of things he's doing in

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Speaker 4: the immediate president that can be worrying without us spending

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Speaker 4: too much time stressing about whether he's going for a

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Speaker 4: is that his vice president is significantly younger and probably

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Speaker 4: quite ambitious. So if you're worried about American president, perhaps

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Speaker 4: he's the one we should be stressing about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the rumor, isn't it that that he's

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Speaker 2: lined him up to be the replacement Josie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Putin did with med for death. If you

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Speaker 3: remember that, he stood down because he could like constitutionally

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Speaker 3: I am worried about this. And there's a great phrase

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Speaker 3: but you know, shock as leopard eats face said person

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Speaker 3: who voted for the leopards eating people's faces party. I

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Speaker 3: think we should take Trump literally. This is what he

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Speaker 3: going to do tariffs. I'm going to get rid of

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Speaker 3: these government departments and so on. In fact, he's done

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Speaker 3: more than he said he would do. So you know,

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Speaker 3: if you vote for the leopards eating people's faces party,

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Speaker 3: don't be surprised when the leopard eats your face.

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Speaker 2: Very strained analogy, But I get what you're saying. The

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Speaker 2: thing is, it's too It's almost too much to take though, Josie,

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Speaker 2: because we've got China, we've got Russia throwing bombs into Europe,

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Speaker 2: We've got a Ran in the Middle East. I can't

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Speaker 3: You know, I know, It's just everything, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's letting people out of jail, it's ignoring judges orders,

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Speaker 3: it's invading Greenland. I'm very pleased to announce that my

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Speaker 3: kids have renamed our family chat group the Pegani Family

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Speaker 3: Top Secret War Plans Chat Group. Right, very good, laugh,

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Speaker 3: very good.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you guys for coming on. Appreciate your

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Speaker 2: time and your thoughts. Thomas Scrimer from the Maximum Institution,

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Speaker 2: Josie Pagani from Child Fund.

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