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Speaker 1: So we've got yet another debate over a so called

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Speaker 1: national stadium in Auckland, and like the other ones, this

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Speaker 1: one has now ground to a bit of a whole.

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Speaker 1: There's a report tells us that Eden Park's redevelopment and

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Speaker 1: the downtown Key Part project are both unfeasible without public money.

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Speaker 1: So counselors are going to meet tomorrowy yaxham Moore about it.

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Speaker 1: The chief executive of the two thousand and eleven Rugby

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Speaker 1: World Cup, Martin Snedden's with us Martin morning, Biddy, Michael,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you. It's embarrassing because I was

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Speaker 1: talking to you in twenty eleven about this very thing

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Speaker 1: and we're still talking about it now. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: just tell you everything you need to know about what's

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Speaker 1: wrong with this country?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, We're not good on this one at all.

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Speaker 2: And it's it's really frustrating because the longer it goes on,

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Speaker 2: the more it just gets bogged down and positions that

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Speaker 2: just don't come together.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a plan? I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: two part question, do we need a national stadium? And two?

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Speaker 1: If we do, who should run it and own it

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Speaker 1: and sort it and make a decision Once and for all.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just declare I'm hopelessly conflicted here. My great

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Speaker 2: grandfather was one of five bloats that mortgage their houses

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Speaker 2: and purchase the land and sandring and turned it into

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Speaker 2: a cricket ground, put it into a trust, invited rugby

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Speaker 2: in and you know, so my family, me, we've had

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Speaker 2: such a huge involvement with the ground. So I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love Eden Park. I love the big events there.

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Speaker 2: I think they do the big events really well. I mean,

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Speaker 2: people in this whole debate seem to forget that the

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Speaker 2: Rugby World Cup, you know, eleven games, basically sixty thousand

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Speaker 2: people again, cricket will Cup two fifteen, the fief of

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Speaker 2: Women's World Cup you know last year could play playing

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Speaker 2: there fifty thousand people three nights in a row. It

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Speaker 2: can handle the really big events, the national stadium events.

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Speaker 2: I'm a resident around Eden Park that's sorted all the

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Speaker 2: rubbish out around there. They do a great job with

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Speaker 2: the residence. So the problem, Mike, is not the big stuff.

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Speaker 2: The problem is the small stuff and playing you know,

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of small stuff in a stadium that's

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Speaker 2: just not built. The small stuff. Credit made a big

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Speaker 2: decision in a number of years ago to shift test

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Speaker 2: cricket out of the big stadium, put it in the

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Speaker 2: boutique grounds like Hagley and Bay Oval, and it's worked brilliantly.

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Speaker 2: But if we continue to put small events into big

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Speaker 2: stadium and this will be the same. Even if they

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Speaker 2: build a brand new stadium down in the waterfront area,

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Speaker 2: if they're getting five thousand people to those games that

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Speaker 2: are played there, they're going to have the same problem.

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Speaker 2: So we've needed for a long time right size stadia

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Speaker 2: to fit right size events. And we missed an enormous

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Speaker 2: opportunity with Western Springs about seven or eight years ago,

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Speaker 2: where cricket could have really easily transferred there got out

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Speaker 2: of the way of everything at Rugby.

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Speaker 1: Look following the rest of the country. Though, by the

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Speaker 1: time you've got Eden Park and you've got Mount Smart Stadium,

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Speaker 1: you've got Albany Stadium, don't we have enough stuff? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're all right, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't even have that amount. I mean it's time

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Speaker 2: people really got collaborative. And I know, you know, you

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Speaker 2: may not agree with me here, but the Warriors Auckland FC,

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Speaker 2: they should be incorporated into the program and even part

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Speaker 2: so that you know that venue is this is what's

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Speaker 2: happened places around the world, is the multi use of

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Speaker 2: one venue. Look at what happened at Eden Park over

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Speaker 2: the weekend. We're on Friday they had white fans and

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Speaker 2: black Caps Internationals played their Saturday it was a Crusaders

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Speaker 2: and the Blues, and Monday it was the All Whites

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Speaker 2: qualifying for the World Cup. That's the right use of

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Speaker 2: the stadia and that's what we need to move towards.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to keep propping up other stadia that

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Speaker 2: are just not for purpose. Let's just concentrate it all

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Speaker 2: into what we've got now. The real problem here of

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Speaker 2: courses now is quite obviously public moneys needed all right, Well,

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Speaker 2: Auckham's house has got no money and it's not putting

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Speaker 2: anything into this, and therefore the whole process that we're

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Speaker 2: going through it at the moment was probably doomed right

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Speaker 2: from the start. The government's in such a difficult situation

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Speaker 2: with a whole raft of things. Since you know, people

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Speaker 2: in Dunedin are being on quite rightly about a hospital,

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Speaker 2: so you've got to prioritize a hospital ahead of the stadium.

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Speaker 2: So they haven't got any money, so where are we

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Speaker 2: going to go?

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Speaker 1: Very good question, Martin, These are all good questions. You

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Speaker 1: sound like a sensible, intelligent man who should be running

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Speaker 1: more things than you currently are. Martin Snedden, who is

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