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Speaker 1: Heller Duper s L police have shot two people, killing

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Speaker 1: one of them. The incident happened in christ Church last night.

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Speaker 1: Both of them threatened officers with a knife. Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 1: is the policeman has down with us now how much.

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Speaker 2: After sorry evening?

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Speaker 1: Indeed the track of time already past five almost mate,

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Speaker 1: So you can get away with both now. Could the

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Speaker 1: cops have used tases here instead of weapons?

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to second guess.

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Speaker 3: I never do, never would, and my advice would be

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Speaker 3: for people not to ever seecond guess what police officers

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Speaker 3: are doing when they're dealing with an incident. All of

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Speaker 3: that will come out in good time, because of course

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Speaker 3: it sparks an incident like that, sparks an I p

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Speaker 3: C a investigation, and that will be fully reported on.

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Speaker 2: But you know, my.

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Speaker 3: Thoughts go out to those police officers and their families.

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Speaker 2: They had my full support.

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Speaker 3: It is a police officer's worst nightmare to be placed

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Speaker 3: in a situation like that, and remember that they were

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Speaker 3: responding to a violent incident and the only thing in

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Speaker 3: the forefront of their mind and is making sure they

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Speaker 3: get there to try and resolve it and keep people safe.

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Speaker 3: But they're obviously confronted with a situation where, like I said,

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Speaker 3: it's the worst case scenary for a police officer having

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Speaker 3: to make those types of decisions.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon this does to the debate over

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Speaker 1: whether police should be armed.

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Speaker 2: That is entirely a question for the commissioner.

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Speaker 3: I know he's that is something that he's been asked

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Speaker 3: and also body cameras.

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Speaker 2: All I'd say is that I'll fully support him.

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Speaker 3: We've got an outstanding police commissioner that cares obviously very

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Speaker 3: deeply about his frontline police officers as I do as

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Speaker 3: well and this government, and we will take any advice

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Speaker 3: that he brings forward to us.

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Speaker 1: Are you disappointed that none of the top three in

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Speaker 1: the police brass let any of you guys in the

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Speaker 1: Beehive know that Michael Forbes had had his phone taken

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Speaker 1: by them, even though they'd known for ages.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am disappointed by that, But again we have

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Speaker 3: we have a new police commissioner either a very good.

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Speaker 1: Strungle No, no, no, that's cool. I mean we all

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Speaker 1: like him, but at least one of those three, one

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Speaker 1: of them, one of those three is Andy Costa, who's

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Speaker 1: just got another job in the government. Did he did

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Speaker 1: he see that email when.

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Speaker 3: It came into I've got no idea, but certainly I

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Speaker 3: sent it in my letter of expectation.

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Speaker 2: I was very clear about no surprises. He knew.

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Speaker 1: He knew though much because it's impossible that Jevin mc

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Speaker 1: skimming and Tanya Kurr didn't know and go to him

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Speaker 1: and go, you heard about Michael Forbes, So why didn't

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Speaker 1: he tell you?

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Speaker 3: I can't speculate on that. He would have to be

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Speaker 3: outset himself. All that I know is that is that, yes,

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Speaker 3: I would have expected to be informed under no surprises.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is this my Tanya Kurrar resigned the other day

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Speaker 1: because this is a bad look for her.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think. I don't know the reasons

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Speaker 3: behind that. That was her own choice.

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Speaker 2: Atter is operational, so but no more resignations.

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Speaker 1: Always someone's choice did have anything to do with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm the minister. I'm not involved in operational matters.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, fair answer. I'll let you go with that one. Mark,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark Mitchell, police minister. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, it's the stuff that came out

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Speaker 1: yesterday those three Gevim mcskimming, Andrew Costa, Tanya Kura. They

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Speaker 1: knew for ages that the guy tailing tailing the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister was a bit dodgy, and they didn't tell them,

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Speaker 1: which they should have done, and then she quit the

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Speaker 1: other day. I think you could put two and two together.

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