1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,867 Speaker 1: from Newstalks edb In. 3 00:00:12,907 --> 00:00:18,067 Speaker 2: Former Scottish international Brandon Laney cleared by Callagher for Leslie, 4 00:00:18,147 --> 00:00:20,347 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure which way to go, finds. 5 00:00:20,107 --> 00:00:24,307 Speaker 1: Lady through the gap and Brendan Laney A yawning. 6 00:00:24,027 --> 00:00:32,547 Speaker 2: Gap, lady, Lady, lady under the bar, the unload, beautiful. 7 00:00:32,027 --> 00:00:34,467 Speaker 3: Pass over to lady. Can you make it two? 8 00:00:34,987 --> 00:00:38,827 Speaker 2: Yes, those were some of us tries back here in 9 00:00:38,827 --> 00:00:41,667 Speaker 2: New Zealand twenty Test matches though for Scotland, for Brandon 10 00:00:41,747 --> 00:00:44,147 Speaker 2: Laney Britton, how big a chance do you think your 11 00:00:44,187 --> 00:00:47,507 Speaker 2: former side Scotland are or finally beating the All Blacks 12 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:48,827 Speaker 2: for the first time tomorrow morning? 13 00:00:49,347 --> 00:00:49,867 Speaker 3: Wow? 14 00:00:50,107 --> 00:00:54,187 Speaker 4: Look, I think anybody's sitting here Watson New Blacks first 15 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:57,227 Speaker 4: performance against Orland, and look, I know it was two 16 00:00:57,307 --> 00:01:00,827 Speaker 4: or three or three or four weeks between games. You know, 17 00:01:00,867 --> 00:01:03,867 Speaker 4: their first fifty minutes was pretty bloody scrapy, wasn't it? 18 00:01:03,947 --> 00:01:06,907 Speaker 4: And I think everyone was pretty just pointed with it. 19 00:01:06,987 --> 00:01:09,387 Speaker 4: But then saying that, you know a couple of things 20 00:01:09,387 --> 00:01:11,307 Speaker 4: that the Orbrecks did, they did really well. It's got 21 00:01:11,307 --> 00:01:13,747 Speaker 4: a couple of really not schwiz bar Ford pass at 22 00:01:13,747 --> 00:01:16,787 Speaker 4: the end probably could have scored another one. So there's 23 00:01:16,867 --> 00:01:19,547 Speaker 4: potential there to show that when they get going there, 24 00:01:19,907 --> 00:01:24,427 Speaker 4: they're really dangerous. So but in saying that, you know, 25 00:01:24,507 --> 00:01:27,627 Speaker 4: Scotland's come off a fantastic test against America. No to 26 00:01:27,627 --> 00:01:31,587 Speaker 4: speak to America either, but probably not the biggest opposition 27 00:01:32,507 --> 00:01:35,347 Speaker 4: led into an all breat game. But you know, it's 28 00:01:35,347 --> 00:01:37,107 Speaker 4: just got his team has been playing for rugby for 29 00:01:37,147 --> 00:01:40,707 Speaker 4: a while now and history is there to be broken. 30 00:01:40,787 --> 00:01:45,147 Speaker 4: Isn't it twenty odd years or so that they had 31 00:01:45,227 --> 00:01:49,547 Speaker 4: never beaten the aor breacks. So it's it's a fantastic 32 00:01:49,587 --> 00:01:54,907 Speaker 4: opportunity for them. And I know that gregatans in more personally. 33 00:01:54,947 --> 00:01:57,147 Speaker 4: I love the way that they He's got his team 34 00:01:57,187 --> 00:02:00,707 Speaker 4: attacking and and you know they've got some pretty handy 35 00:02:00,747 --> 00:02:05,347 Speaker 4: footballers in this sort so even with dropping venoms, so yeah, 36 00:02:05,347 --> 00:02:07,067 Speaker 4: it's going to be really intery thing that is. 37 00:02:07,467 --> 00:02:09,187 Speaker 2: Can we talk about a couple of those fairly handy 38 00:02:09,187 --> 00:02:12,547 Speaker 2: players Finn Russell and see on two belot to the 39 00:02:12,587 --> 00:02:15,987 Speaker 2: ten twelve axis? How crucial might that be? 40 00:02:16,867 --> 00:02:19,587 Speaker 3: Oh? Messive? But but look it's like anything, isn't it. 41 00:02:19,627 --> 00:02:21,987 Speaker 3: If if the Fords don't do their job. 42 00:02:22,147 --> 00:02:23,907 Speaker 4: Then it's going to be bloody hard for ten and 43 00:02:23,987 --> 00:02:27,427 Speaker 4: twelve in nine for that matter, to really get gone. 44 00:02:27,507 --> 00:02:31,787 Speaker 4: But I think Finn's a real confidence player too. When 45 00:02:31,787 --> 00:02:33,787 Speaker 4: he's on the front foot and it's gone well, he 46 00:02:33,867 --> 00:02:35,587 Speaker 4: can be absolutely real class. 47 00:02:35,667 --> 00:02:38,587 Speaker 3: So you know, I love watching him play. 48 00:02:38,627 --> 00:02:41,387 Speaker 4: He's one of those guys that gets you excited every 49 00:02:41,387 --> 00:02:43,347 Speaker 4: time you see him get the ball because you think, 50 00:02:43,427 --> 00:02:44,147 Speaker 4: what's he going to do? 51 00:02:44,507 --> 00:02:46,307 Speaker 3: Two a polity. He's made every post to win. 52 00:02:46,427 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 4: He played outstandingly well on the lines to it, didn't 53 00:02:49,027 --> 00:02:52,587 Speaker 4: he And the other The other thing with that is 54 00:02:53,027 --> 00:02:56,027 Speaker 4: they're going to bring that experience back into back into 55 00:02:56,027 --> 00:02:59,027 Speaker 4: the to the max for Scotland as well. So and 56 00:02:59,267 --> 00:03:03,707 Speaker 4: and you add to that the hundred hundred years of Murrayfield, 57 00:03:04,547 --> 00:03:07,307 Speaker 4: which is just an unbelievable stadium. 58 00:03:07,867 --> 00:03:09,547 Speaker 3: There's going to be a massive crowd. 59 00:03:10,267 --> 00:03:12,627 Speaker 4: Everyone gets excited about the All Blacks being in town, 60 00:03:12,707 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 4: but this is just another step up. They've had, you know, 61 00:03:16,627 --> 00:03:20,467 Speaker 4: rugby awards over the year with with all the old 62 00:03:20,467 --> 00:03:24,267 Speaker 4: players and the end of you know, put a few 63 00:03:24,267 --> 00:03:26,707 Speaker 4: of the older boys into the Hall of Fame. So 64 00:03:26,747 --> 00:03:29,187 Speaker 4: they've been there's been a really big week leading up 65 00:03:29,227 --> 00:03:32,427 Speaker 4: to this test. And and I know, I know for 66 00:03:32,427 --> 00:03:34,787 Speaker 4: a fact that those two players in particular are going 67 00:03:34,867 --> 00:03:38,227 Speaker 4: to be bloody key for Scotland performing. But it's like 68 00:03:38,227 --> 00:03:40,467 Speaker 4: anything when you play the All Blacks, you can't make 69 00:03:40,627 --> 00:03:42,227 Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes because they punish you. 70 00:03:42,267 --> 00:03:44,627 Speaker 3: And and that's what tess rugby is all about too. 71 00:03:44,867 --> 00:03:46,747 Speaker 2: And you're also right to land on the forwards, even 72 00:03:46,787 --> 00:03:48,787 Speaker 2: as a former back yourself. I mean, forwards will tell 73 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:51,667 Speaker 2: you it all starts up front. How do you evaluate 74 00:03:51,747 --> 00:03:55,147 Speaker 2: Scotland's ability to match it with the All Blacks physically 75 00:03:55,627 --> 00:03:57,027 Speaker 2: in those forward exchanges. 76 00:03:58,307 --> 00:03:59,547 Speaker 3: I don't think they'll be afraid of it. 77 00:03:59,627 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 4: Put their way, they've been They've been really really good 78 00:04:03,147 --> 00:04:05,787 Speaker 4: upfront against some of the other Swords, particularly in the 79 00:04:05,787 --> 00:04:09,787 Speaker 4: sixth Nations. Now they're coming up against France and obviously 80 00:04:09,827 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 4: England as well and they've put on some bloody good 81 00:04:12,027 --> 00:04:15,587 Speaker 4: performances and beat them as well, so they're not afraid 82 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:16,107 Speaker 4: of that part. 83 00:04:16,107 --> 00:04:17,307 Speaker 3: They've got some big players. 84 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:20,307 Speaker 4: They've got guys who are not also playing in Scotland 85 00:04:20,307 --> 00:04:23,867 Speaker 4: but also then in the Premiership as well, and guys 86 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 4: playing in France, so they'll be not afraid to mix 87 00:04:27,107 --> 00:04:30,787 Speaker 4: it up. I suppose it's like anything, you know, I 88 00:04:31,147 --> 00:04:33,307 Speaker 4: don't think they'll probably try and take them on physically. 89 00:04:33,387 --> 00:04:35,427 Speaker 3: I think they'll try and move the New New Zealand 90 00:04:35,427 --> 00:04:35,787 Speaker 3: around it. 91 00:04:35,787 --> 00:04:38,267 Speaker 4: But because of the way in the last wee while 92 00:04:38,467 --> 00:04:41,667 Speaker 4: that Scotland's been playing, they know they're not going to 93 00:04:41,707 --> 00:04:43,307 Speaker 4: best the all blecks up up front. 94 00:04:44,227 --> 00:04:46,507 Speaker 3: They're just not. But to move them around a bit 95 00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:48,467 Speaker 3: and get them, get them. 96 00:04:48,307 --> 00:04:52,147 Speaker 4: Moving, and I think that's how they'll play them because 97 00:04:52,147 --> 00:04:53,627 Speaker 4: if they do try and take them on up front 98 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:56,147 Speaker 4: and beat them up, they just won't do that. So 99 00:04:56,187 --> 00:04:57,547 Speaker 4: I think they're going to go to their strengths and 100 00:04:57,547 --> 00:04:59,267 Speaker 4: that is moving the ball because they've got some guys 101 00:04:59,267 --> 00:05:02,347 Speaker 4: in their background particular they're bloody good ball in hand, 102 00:05:02,467 --> 00:05:07,707 Speaker 4: so mixed up with the guys in the midfield, I 103 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:10,667 Speaker 4: really enjoy that the outside bets for Scotland as well. 104 00:05:10,707 --> 00:05:12,747 Speaker 4: They're not afraid to throw the ball around, so I 105 00:05:12,827 --> 00:05:15,067 Speaker 4: think it just makes a real good mix and that's 106 00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:16,107 Speaker 4: a bit exciting. 107 00:05:16,627 --> 00:05:21,107 Speaker 2: How do you think Scotland coach Gregor Townsend is regarded 108 00:05:21,147 --> 00:05:22,907 Speaker 2: by Scottish rugby fans. 109 00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:28,027 Speaker 3: I think there's a mix. He's probably caught that his 110 00:05:28,107 --> 00:05:28,947 Speaker 3: whole bloody life. 111 00:05:29,147 --> 00:05:32,867 Speaker 4: Paul Bugger well I think Guy is a fantastic rugby player. 112 00:05:33,067 --> 00:05:36,867 Speaker 4: He was probably a Mercuriel was probably one of the 113 00:05:36,907 --> 00:05:39,587 Speaker 4: ones he could call him. He was he could do 114 00:05:39,707 --> 00:05:41,347 Speaker 4: things that does no one else could do, and then 115 00:05:41,387 --> 00:05:43,667 Speaker 4: other times that it didn't go so great for him, 116 00:05:43,707 --> 00:05:46,787 Speaker 4: say look here, I know I've been there, done that. 117 00:05:47,147 --> 00:05:49,827 Speaker 4: When it comes to that as well, not everything comes off. 118 00:05:49,867 --> 00:05:54,227 Speaker 4: But as a coach, I think he's you know, the 119 00:05:54,267 --> 00:05:57,787 Speaker 4: hard part about coaching is you're not everyone's friend, and 120 00:05:57,867 --> 00:06:01,387 Speaker 4: particularly in the team, you've got to make some bloody 121 00:06:01,427 --> 00:06:03,787 Speaker 4: tough calls, which he obviously has this week week in 122 00:06:03,907 --> 00:06:06,547 Speaker 4: with Vndermere because he obviously gets some of them really well. 123 00:06:06,907 --> 00:06:09,787 Speaker 4: But I just like the way that he likes to 124 00:06:09,827 --> 00:06:12,547 Speaker 4: attack and he's done that with this team. They've they've 125 00:06:12,587 --> 00:06:15,827 Speaker 4: thrown the ball around, they've given the ball here, they're 126 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:18,787 Speaker 4: not afraid the cross kicks. He's had to mend a 127 00:06:18,787 --> 00:06:21,267 Speaker 4: relationship with Finn Russell as well, which he seems to 128 00:06:21,347 --> 00:06:25,147 Speaker 4: have so, you know, from from a from a coaching 129 00:06:25,187 --> 00:06:27,427 Speaker 4: point of view, I think Gregor has probably. 130 00:06:27,267 --> 00:06:28,987 Speaker 3: Learned a lot on the way as well. 131 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:32,387 Speaker 4: And I know he's taken on another week roll here 132 00:06:32,387 --> 00:06:34,587 Speaker 4: and there's been a few people who are not very 133 00:06:34,587 --> 00:06:37,307 Speaker 4: happy about their part. But look, I think he's done 134 00:06:37,307 --> 00:06:41,067 Speaker 4: a really good job with Scotland and and and you know. 135 00:06:41,067 --> 00:06:42,307 Speaker 3: He's very invested in it. 136 00:06:42,347 --> 00:06:43,987 Speaker 4: You know, he's been doing it quite a while now 137 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:47,027 Speaker 4: and he loves Scottish rugby so and he's a good 138 00:06:47,067 --> 00:06:47,787 Speaker 4: fellow tourney. 139 00:06:48,227 --> 00:06:50,467 Speaker 3: He's a top men. So I hope he does well. 140 00:06:50,587 --> 00:06:53,227 Speaker 2: And you mentioned murray Field and their one hundred year 141 00:06:53,307 --> 00:06:56,907 Speaker 2: celebration this weekend. What's it like to play in Murrayfield 142 00:06:56,947 --> 00:06:58,627 Speaker 2: Brann and what's it like as a rugby arena? 143 00:06:59,507 --> 00:07:01,827 Speaker 3: Awesome? It is very very cool. 144 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:04,787 Speaker 4: I've been lucky enough to play at Caresbrook, I've been 145 00:07:04,867 --> 00:07:08,747 Speaker 4: lucky enough to play and and the stars front say 146 00:07:09,267 --> 00:07:12,307 Speaker 4: I'm lucky enough to play in Wales in a million 147 00:07:12,347 --> 00:07:16,347 Speaker 4: of stadium. But there's just something just something about Murrayfield 148 00:07:16,507 --> 00:07:20,347 Speaker 4: and one sort of the field's really really really closer 149 00:07:20,787 --> 00:07:23,147 Speaker 4: if you're throwing the balling or you're standing on the wing. 150 00:07:23,507 --> 00:07:26,467 Speaker 4: The people were pretty much about ten meters away the 151 00:07:26,507 --> 00:07:28,427 Speaker 4: other side of the field. Obviously there's a running track 152 00:07:28,507 --> 00:07:31,867 Speaker 4: but still with boys, but everything it's just quite on 153 00:07:31,947 --> 00:07:32,347 Speaker 4: top of you. 154 00:07:33,027 --> 00:07:34,067 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. 155 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:37,187 Speaker 4: When the lone pipe is up on top piping her 156 00:07:38,547 --> 00:07:42,547 Speaker 4: and you've got to sing the national anthem, Flare of Scotland. 157 00:07:42,547 --> 00:07:44,747 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. And then even the whole place 158 00:07:44,787 --> 00:07:47,987 Speaker 4: goes quiet and all you hear singing. It really makes it. 159 00:07:48,667 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 4: He's on the becky next stand up, and I know 160 00:07:51,147 --> 00:07:55,187 Speaker 4: that the All Break boys will be sitting there enjoying 161 00:07:55,187 --> 00:07:55,987 Speaker 4: that part as well. 162 00:07:56,027 --> 00:07:58,307 Speaker 3: But it's pretty hostile and prom and I know that. 163 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:03,627 Speaker 2: How fondly do you remember your time playing rugby for Scotland? 164 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:05,387 Speaker 3: Do you know one thing? It was a bloody long 165 00:08:05,427 --> 00:08:05,827 Speaker 3: time ago. 166 00:08:05,907 --> 00:08:06,147 Speaker 1: This was. 167 00:08:08,427 --> 00:08:11,147 Speaker 3: I'm starting to field bloody old, but I look it was. 168 00:08:11,627 --> 00:08:12,947 Speaker 3: I was really really lucky. 169 00:08:13,707 --> 00:08:18,067 Speaker 4: I I was extremely proud to pull on the Scottish 170 00:08:18,107 --> 00:08:21,467 Speaker 4: jersey and represent my grandmother and my my mom's side 171 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:22,067 Speaker 4: of my family. 172 00:08:23,387 --> 00:08:26,107 Speaker 3: And and I gave it my I gave. 173 00:08:25,947 --> 00:08:28,907 Speaker 4: It my all, put of their way, I got heaps 174 00:08:29,027 --> 00:08:31,067 Speaker 4: and I was extremely lucky to be able to play 175 00:08:31,147 --> 00:08:34,227 Speaker 4: Test rugby. And I never thought i'd play teat rugby 176 00:08:34,227 --> 00:08:37,507 Speaker 4: at all, let alone played twenty testameters. So I was 177 00:08:37,547 --> 00:08:40,667 Speaker 4: involved in some fantastic victories, a top a few hidings 178 00:08:40,707 --> 00:08:43,267 Speaker 4: as well, to be fear, but I wouldn't change the thing. 179 00:08:43,907 --> 00:08:46,987 Speaker 3: It was absolutely outstanding and and you. 180 00:08:46,947 --> 00:08:50,267 Speaker 4: Know, there's just something about Test rugby that makes it 181 00:08:50,387 --> 00:08:54,307 Speaker 4: very very cool. And a small, small guy, a guy 182 00:08:54,347 --> 00:08:56,467 Speaker 4: from a small town of Tomoka. I never thought it'd 183 00:08:56,507 --> 00:08:59,907 Speaker 4: be playing in the middle of Urryfield, so I was 184 00:08:59,987 --> 00:09:00,427 Speaker 4: very lucky. 185 00:09:00,427 --> 00:09:02,027 Speaker 3: Mate. I had a great time, brilliant. 186 00:09:02,027 --> 00:09:03,987 Speaker 2: I don't think it was luck, Brandon, I don't think 187 00:09:03,987 --> 00:09:06,907 Speaker 2: it was luck. Great to chet. I get the set 188 00:09:07,147 --> 00:09:09,387 Speaker 2: for four o'clock tomorrow morning. Look forward to seeing how 189 00:09:09,387 --> 00:09:10,027 Speaker 2: it plays out. 190 00:09:10,267 --> 00:09:11,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, enjoy the Test. 191 00:09:12,027 --> 00:09:14,307 Speaker 2: You enjoyed the Test too, Brendan. Thanks and Dave Brendan 192 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:17,187 Speaker 2: Laney there, former Scotland international with his views. 193 00:09:17,707 --> 00:09:20,907 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 194 00:09:20,987 --> 00:09:24,307 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 195 00:09:24,347 --> 00:09:25,947 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio