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Speaker 2: He'd be good afternoon. It is seven after four. Great

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Speaker 2: another commissioner because they work so well in groceries. The

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Speaker 2: seven after four, Bryan Bridge, we owe our kids in apology,

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Speaker 2: I reckon for using them as guinea pigs and education.

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Speaker 2: Let me explain my thinking on this. We've had two

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Speaker 2: of this on the advice of Boffin's at the Ministry

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Speaker 2: Erica Stamford politely describe how schools are coping right now

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Speaker 2: Kids sitting on the floor to learn because of acoustic

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Speaker 2: I've heard from our education system. Well second dumbest behind

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Speaker 2: good Ron. So you'll be welcoming news that there's going

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Speaker 2: cap them. Thirteen after four News Talk sevb. Elliott Smith

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Speaker 1: Next, It's the Heather du Bussy Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: Talks B four sixteen News Talks HEADB after five. We're

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Speaker 2: going to look at this open playing classroom business. Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I don't usually agree with what's being spoken about at

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Speaker 2: but today is different. I agree with your comments. I

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Speaker 2: left the profession. So many texts like this. Graham agrees, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: We tried this in the seventies. Why did we go

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Speaker 2: learn from our mistakes. At sixteen after four Elliott the Sport,

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Speaker 2: Hey Ellien, Hey Ron, good to have you on. So

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Speaker 7: This is remarkable, isn't it. Remember they suspended all play

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Speaker 8: College head coach.

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Speaker 7: I think next week, right, But there's some part of

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Speaker 2: The stick on all of this sounds like it too. Hey,

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is a big night for New Zealand boxing.

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Speaker 7: Old league blokes who never really liked each other during

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Speaker 2: You know how much it costs to I think it's forty.

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Speaker 8: Five dollars Idea, it isn't cheap.

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Speaker 2: That's more than because I got Sky just for the

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Speaker 8: Forty five dollars for one night of viewing him. I mean,

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Speaker 7: Probably, I think it'll be it'll be done quickly. I

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Speaker 7: think they'll both want to knock each other out. They've

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Speaker 2: is nineteen after four, Ryan, there really needs to be

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Speaker 2: a cap on rates. The numpties here in Pottydoer. This

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Speaker 2: is Gavin. The numpies here in Potyder wanted a seventy

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Speaker 14: department on this. It's launching a portal for the public

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Speaker 14: to report violations as well on this. So there is

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Speaker 14: a job that I would not want for a million dollars,

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Speaker 14: because you know, the loans are going to be coming

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Speaker 14: out and they're going to get all kinds of reports

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Speaker 14: on this.

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Speaker 2: Dan, thank you for that. Dan mintionson us correspondent, so

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Speaker 2: that you've got the loans on the Epstein files and

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Speaker 2: the loans on the Kym trials apparently as well, two

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Speaker 2: of the three top stories out of the States. This afternoon,

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Speaker 2: nineteen minutes away from five o'clock, lots of people texting

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Speaker 2: in on the electricity sector because the electricity authorities come

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Speaker 2: out and we'll have them on the show after six

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Speaker 2: saying we'll make some changes time abuse charges, all that

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Ryan, you can set your washing machine

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Speaker 2: going in the evening along with your dishwasher, well you

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Speaker 2: presumably you can, but if you want with Genesis, they

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Speaker 2: only offer the cheap discounted prices from at nighttime from

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Speaker 2: nine pm to seven am, so you depending on how

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Speaker 2: big your house is, the sound of a washing machine

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Speaker 2: going or a dishwasher going at night can be quite

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Speaker 2: annoying if you live in a small place, if you

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Speaker 2: live in an apartment. So that's that's not an option,

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Speaker 2: is it. I wouldn't have thought. Eighteen away from five,

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper here with politics, next.

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Speaker 1: Politics, with centrics, credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty news talks. They'd be Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent

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Speaker 2: with us known hey bez god afternoon. Right, So in

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Speaker 2: parliament all about the brain drain.

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Speaker 15: A lot about the brain drain today and was lead

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Speaker 15: really by the Greens. And but you know, the government's

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Speaker 15: being blamed for the issues that lead to people leaving

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Speaker 15: the country. And certainly a lot of people have left

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Speaker 15: the country. When you look at the year ending March,

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Speaker 15: seventy thousand Kiwis had left New Zealand. It's one hundred

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Speaker 15: and ninety one people a day leaving the country. So

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Speaker 15: it is big. And I remember I always remember back

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Speaker 15: to John Ken the two thousand and eight campaign sitting

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Speaker 15: in the stadium in Wellington saying that this number of.

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Speaker 2: People and.

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Speaker 15: Thirty four thousand, so it's double that now that are

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Speaker 15: leaving the country. There are a number of reasons for it.

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Speaker 15: Of course, economic disparity in Australia seems to pay more

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Speaker 15: than what New Zealand they have the same lifestyle as

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Speaker 15: another matter, cost of living, housing market, all that sort

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Speaker 15: of thing, and there's a brain exchange. Of course, people

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Speaker 15: coming back into the country. I'm a good ext but

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Speaker 15: of that Ryan, you know, having lived overseas for a

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Speaker 15: number of years many years ago, came back to the country.

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Speaker 15: You learn a lot when you're overseas. There I say

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Speaker 15: that two National prime Ministers, John Key and Chris Luxon,

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Speaker 15: spent much of their working life overseas, came back and

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Speaker 15: look what they brought to the country. That's a debatable issue,

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Speaker 15: but it's the government's fault. If you listen to the

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Speaker 15: Greens with their co leader Chloe Swarbrick having a go

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Speaker 15: at the Prime Minister in the House this afternoon before

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Speaker 15: she was shut down by a very sensitive speaker, Jerry Brownlee.

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Speaker 15: The Prime Minister had been making what I thought was

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Speaker 15: a fairly salient point to Swarbrick.

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Speaker 16: It's a bit ironic when you don't support oil and

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Speaker 16: gas and fast track and construction and getting things done

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Speaker 16: and built. And actually where do Kiwis go when they

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Speaker 16: go to Australia. They go work in oil and gas

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Speaker 16: and mining. Get on board support mining and the oil

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Speaker 16: and gas band. Let's get it done.

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Speaker 17: Is it good for the economy for thousands of young

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Speaker 17: people to be forced to spend their days applying for

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Speaker 17: hundreds of jobs, receiving only one to two interviews, leading

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Speaker 17: them to see our country as a place with quote

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Speaker 17: no work, ship pay, why stay?

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Speaker 16: Very odd question than I just pe not taking that

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Speaker 16: question further.

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Speaker 15: That was after the sea bomb, of course, dropped a

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Speaker 15: couple of moments ago.

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Speaker 2: Jerry not no.

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Speaker 15: Notice was taken it of it at the time, and

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Speaker 15: I think Jerry has learned a very valuable lesson in that.

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Speaker 2: Watch your p and q U N got this letter

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Speaker 2: got a bit of an airing in the Chaine.

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, it.

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Speaker 15: Just won't go away. Of course that David Seymour sent

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Speaker 15: that letter before it was meant to be sent. It's

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Speaker 15: been withdrawn. Who knows how you do that, but anyway,

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Speaker 15: that's what we said yesterday. The Maldi Party's co leader

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Speaker 15: Rowery waiter Tea, he decided to wade into the argument today,

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Speaker 15: but seemed to have a little problem with a French language.

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Speaker 18: How does he intend to repair the international reputational damage

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Speaker 18: caused by Deputy Prime Minister on behalf of his government,

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Speaker 18: who described the un special repertoire quote insane unquote for

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Speaker 18: raising concerns about indigenous rights.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think New Zealand should be very grateful that

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Speaker 16: we have an outstanding Minister for foreign Affairs, someone that

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Speaker 16: is hugely respected around the world, and I trust him

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Speaker 16: to respond on all of our behalf.

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Speaker 7: Famed similar let's to speaker normally, I let it go that,

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Speaker 7: seeing as we have guests from the French Senate, can

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Speaker 7: we please have it said that up to not repertoire.

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Speaker 19: Very sure, A good number of the House deeply appreciative

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Speaker 19: of your correction, and we'll put that in their folk

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Speaker 19: camp for future reference.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't think Rappertoeur would be mentioned that much

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Speaker 15: in Parliament, but it apparently fell on deaf he is

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Speaker 15: would seem too white to tea because later he also

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Speaker 15: said repertoire when referring to that said gentleman to be.

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Speaker 2: Free to him, He's probably had his own issues with

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Speaker 2: others in the House and their pronunciations of doubt about it.

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Speaker 15: I'd stand guilty of that one.

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Speaker 2: At CAP's barnyard classrooms finally been scrapped. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: did you taught in the barnyard classroom?

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Speaker 21: No?

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Speaker 15: See the good while I was taught by Sisters of Mercy,

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Speaker 15: and they had to show a lot of it to

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Speaker 15: teach me I've got to say, and we were in

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Speaker 15: small classrooms and you know that was the case. Of

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Speaker 15: course with the baby boomer generation. We had rope learning

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Speaker 15: and you know we knew the times table off.

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Speaker 2: By heart, whips and canes.

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Speaker 15: Well, a lot of that, a lot of straps. We

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Speaker 15: had no forever getting the strap. But you know, the

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Speaker 15: education system has been something of a political football, hasn't.

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Speaker 2: It over the years.

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Speaker 15: Look at David Longe in the late eighties he became

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Speaker 15: Minister of Education, declared himself as that and also Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister and introduced Tomorrow's Schools. Now, that's been one consistent

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Speaker 15: I've got to say in the education system.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to.

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Speaker 15: Decentralize it and replace it with school boards of trustees

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Speaker 15: and they're still in place. So that's one thing that

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Speaker 15: came out of that. But these barnyard classrooms, I heard

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Speaker 15: you're editorial about it. You imagine, I mean acoustics, You're

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Speaker 15: gonna have some kids sitting high in.

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Speaker 2: Some and outrageous verry and some learning. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you're trying to teach maths and they're doing arts and crafts,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if the kids aren't going to be watching you,

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Speaker 2: are they no they're not.

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Speaker 15: And you can imagine kids. You know, if you're in

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Speaker 15: a classroom, say average size classroom thirty kids, you've got

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Speaker 15: one hundred kids virtually, and one big classroom and three teachers.

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Speaker 15: You can imagine trying to control that. I have enough

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Speaker 15: trouble controlling two kids at home, They'll learn one hundred

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Speaker 15: controlling myself.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. He thank you, very good to see you. Ten

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Speaker 2: away from five News Talks, said be Barry Soper, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent here on. Yeah, as I said, ten away

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Speaker 2: from five, we will talk more about this after. I'm

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Speaker 2: really going to speak to a principal who has been there,

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Speaker 2: done that with the barnyard classrooms, and then spent one

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Speaker 2: and a half million dollars turning his open playing classrooms

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Speaker 2: back into single cell classrooms again. Can you imagine first

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Speaker 2: putting up the cost to do it, you know, put

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Speaker 2: them in place, then spinning to undo them. So we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to him about what happens to those schools who've

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Speaker 2: already made the change. Are they going to fund the reversal?

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Speaker 2: It's nine to five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 11: Breakfast, the government is considering encouraging domestic production of fuel.

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Speaker 11: A new report suggests setting up special economic zones to

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Speaker 11: do that. Shane Jones is the Associate Energy Ministle. So

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Speaker 11: where would you put these special economic zones, all.

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Speaker 22: Obviously hailing from Lausland. I think one would be good

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Speaker 22: around Mars Points. Given let the Labor Party in particular

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Speaker 22: just sumber of don closed down our mass Empoint refinery.

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Speaker 22: That will stimulate the whole range of energy investments. And

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Speaker 22: why not Taranucky because whereverre going to have to rely

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Speaker 22: upon the importation of gas overseas to keep the economy

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Speaker 22: functioning and the reft of be in Taranaky. After just

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Speaker 22: sitting the Cancil the ording gas.

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Speaker 1: Industry, Heather Duplicy Ellen on the MIC, hosting breakfast Back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at six am with a Vita Retirement Communities.

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Speaker 8: On News Talks dB, he's.

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Speaker 2: Gone six minutes away from five here. On News Talks

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Speaker 2: heb Trump says he's done a deal with Indonesia, on

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Speaker 2: a trade deal with Indonesia to pull back on his

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Speaker 2: tariffs that he had threatened to impose on them. So

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Speaker 2: he was threatening thirty two percent, he says, And by

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Speaker 2: the way, this is just a truth Social post at

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Speaker 2: the moment, so that's nothing written down on paper that's

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Speaker 2: actually official. But he has declared that they've struck a

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Speaker 2: deal instead of thirty two percent nineteen percent tariff right.

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Speaker 2: Plus he's hawking the jumbo jets again, so fifty booing jets,

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Speaker 2: many of them triple sevens apparently going as well. As

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Speaker 2: part of the deal, fifteen billion dollars in US energy

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Speaker 2: will be purchased by the Indonesians. Four point five billion

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Speaker 2: dollars in American agricultural products. Throw that in and you've

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Speaker 2: got yourself a deal. Third deal that they've done. Of

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Speaker 2: course they did the UK. They were in like Flynn

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Speaker 2: and Vietnam. It's sort of China but not really properly China.

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Speaker 2: So that would be your third probably substantive deal, as

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Speaker 2: I said, Albeit, and now it's via truth Social at

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Speaker 2: this point five away from five now. The other day

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Speaker 2: we're talking about bus lanes in Auckland, and I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to read out this email from Brandon who emailed

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Speaker 2: me in yesterday. Ryan, most bus lanes get used for

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Speaker 2: only a small proportion of the day, but they can

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Speaker 2: be important to have in peak congestion times. And I

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Speaker 2: think we all agree with that. There's logic to them.

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Speaker 2: It's just how long they are bus lanes for. It's

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Speaker 2: like electricity. You know, some things are good for peak,

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Speaker 2: something's you know, off peak. So shouldn't default to twenty

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Speaker 2: four to seven. That's the argument. You should not default

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Speaker 2: a bus lane to twenty four to seven because there

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Speaker 2: are times a day when it sits empty. And this

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Speaker 2: is the point Brendan makes. Often other road uses unsure

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Speaker 2: when and if a bus lane is in use, and therefore,

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Speaker 2: due to the prospect of heavy fines or worse, most

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Speaker 2: drivers will err on the side of caution and not

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Speaker 2: use a bus lane at times when they may be

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Speaker 2: perfectly within the law to do so. So, in other words,

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Speaker 2: you're sort of too scared to use them even if

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Speaker 2: you are allowed to use them, because you're just not sure.

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Speaker 2: He says we should have flashing lights. I think we

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Speaker 2: should just have a blanket rule that says for any

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Speaker 2: bus lane it is only operational or you will only

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Speaker 2: get pained if it's during a peak time, and we

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Speaker 2: just learn what the peak times are. You know, whether

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Speaker 2: it's seven or ten am, or six to ten am

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Speaker 2: or whatever, six to nine am, I don't know once

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Speaker 2: we all know the rules, then no one can get

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Speaker 2: pained and we'll all be fine and we'll be happy

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Speaker 2: travelers all day long, won't we In the cities Coming

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Speaker 2: up to three away from five here on News Talks,

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Speaker 2: there'd be the open style barnyard classroom debate and the reversals.

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Speaker 2: After five game for new person on over.

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Speaker 1: Again, Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather duplicy allan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talksb good even negative seven after five on News

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Speaker 2: Talks ab the Electricity Authority reckons that can save you

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Speaker 2: between eighty and one hundred and eighty dollars a year

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Speaker 2: on your power bill. That after six this evening right now,

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Speaker 2: the government says there will be no new open planned

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Speaker 2: barnyard classrooms built. Education Minister Erica Stanford made the announcement today.

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Speaker 2: She says these big open spaces have been bad for

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Speaker 2: kids and the Ministry has been looking into it.

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Speaker 3: So they've looked at eight thousand different learning spaces in

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Speaker 3: coming to this decision, and they've used noise monitors and

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Speaker 3: light monitors and all sorts of things, and the overwhelming

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Speaker 3: feedback from schools is that teachers do not like teaching

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Speaker 3: in these classrooms. Principals do not like having these classrooms.

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Speaker 3: And it is now our position that we will not

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Speaker 3: be building any more of them unless by specific request.

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Speaker 2: Right, So what about those have already got them? At

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Speaker 2: on you at a high school has spent one and

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Speaker 2: a half million dollars getting rid of its own open

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Speaker 2: playing classrooms, and the principal, Bruce Kenning is with me. Now,

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Speaker 2: Hi Bruce, Hi, how you doing good? Thank you? So

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Speaker 2: they didn't work for you? Why not?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well, for the exact same reasons there are the

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Speaker 23: ministers talking about. Really they are the noisy will tend

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Speaker 23: to be noisier. But it was also the combination of

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Speaker 23: sexty kids to teachers.

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Speaker 5: The whole deal really didn't really work out for us.

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Speaker 2: Why would it? How many did you have? Why one

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Speaker 2: and a half million dollars to get rid of them?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well we were early and we were probably at

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Speaker 23: the forefront of the thinking of that at the time.

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Speaker 23: This was pre me and so we had one one

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Speaker 23: building with twenty six classrooms and essentially no walls.

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Speaker 5: One process.

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Speaker 2: So that again one building twenty six classrooms, no walls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so we were quite out there.

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Speaker 2: How many kids in there?

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Speaker 23: We ran it at about sort of four hundred and

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Speaker 23: fifty students and when we implemented that they were that

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Speaker 23: was pretty.

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Speaker 5: Much a year nine cohort would go through that building. Wow, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Quite distracting four hundred and fifty kids one room.

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Speaker 23: Well, I don't think it can't be, you know, not distracting,

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Speaker 23: you know, the noise.

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Speaker 5: Whilst they say more people in there, the.

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Speaker 23: Noise gets absorbed, it doesn't really, it really didn't affect

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Speaker 23: it that way. That was certainly what the architects used

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Speaker 23: to tell us. It was pretty overwhelming. But I think

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Speaker 23: even more importantly, if I'm honest with you, you know,

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Speaker 23: the biggest the problem that we had was our community

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Speaker 23: lost faith in what we were providing.

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Speaker 2: Clearly the government's seen the light on this, But the

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Speaker 2: question I have is how did we let it happen

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Speaker 2: in the first place? You know, you know you said

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Speaker 2: this was before your time. There are plenty of educators

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Speaker 2: who thought this was a great idea.

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Speaker 5: Well somebody obviously did, didn't they.

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Speaker 23: And look, I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 23: think it's a bad idea. I think part of being

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Speaker 23: an education and trying to be at the forefront of

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Speaker 23: education is that we try things.

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Speaker 5: What's a really bad.

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Speaker 23: Idea is implementing something and then not reviewing it to

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Speaker 23: see if it actually works.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the real.

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Speaker 23: Key where society and education sector kind of lost its way.

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Speaker 23: They didn't take the time out to go is this

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Speaker 23: actually working?

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Speaker 2: Appreciate time, Bruce Bruce Kenny the on your high school principle.

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Speaker 2: They have reversed the open style barnyard classrooms there to

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Speaker 2: the tune of one point five million dollars. It's ten

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Speaker 2: after five.

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Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Labor's put out a release today they're taking action on

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Speaker 2: modern slavery. Camilla Balich is the MP drafted a bill

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Speaker 2: which she hopes will bring an end to modern day

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Speaker 2: slavery if passed. The member's bill would create an anti

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Speaker 2: slavery commissioner and require entities to report back on their

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Speaker 2: anti slavery efforts. And she is with me now, Camilla,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 24: Thanks so much. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: Do commissioners work they work for supermarkets?

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Speaker 24: Well, I think what is clear in this particular situation

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Speaker 24: is at the moment we've got really nothing in New

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Speaker 24: Zealand to address what is a really really serious issue.

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Speaker 24: So what this spell does is implement what experts in

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Speaker 24: this area I think are the best practice in order

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Speaker 24: to address what is I think most New Zealanders will

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Speaker 24: be really horrified about, which is exploitation in our supply

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Speaker 24: chain and also in New Zealand. So I think that

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Speaker 24: their recommendation is there there is an anti slavery Commissioner

752
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Speaker 24: and you know there is also a review cause in

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Speaker 24: this bill, so there will be a chance to see

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Speaker 24: whether that commissioner is effective in their role and a

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Speaker 24: chance to look at it whether there is more that

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Speaker 24: needs to be done in that space.

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Speaker 2: You're also asking that the entities companies will be required

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Speaker 2: to report back on their anti slavery efforts. Is that

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Speaker 2: every single business how many businesses? Exactly?

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Speaker 24: No, that is not every single business. Is really focuses

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Speaker 24: on big businesses, So it's businesses with a turnover of

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Speaker 24: over fifty million, which is as you can imagine, quite

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Speaker 24: large businesses within New Zealand. That number was landed upon

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Speaker 24: because that was when the consultation happened under the last

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Speaker 24: government that was the most supported option in terms of

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Speaker 24: a number, in terms of the size of the business,

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Speaker 24: and also that's quite comparable to other jurisdictions that have

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Speaker 24: modern slavery legislation in place. So at this stage it

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Speaker 24: really is larger businesses. But that is also something that

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Speaker 24: we can look at over time depending on how successful

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Speaker 24: the rasion is in relation to those large entities.

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Speaker 2: How many modern day slaves do we have in New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: I really don't know the answer for that, and I

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Speaker 24: think that's really concerning that we don't have data on that,

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Speaker 24: and I think the reasons I'm.

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Speaker 2: So camill isn't that important. I mean, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to pay for a commissioner, you're going to get businesses

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Speaker 2: to report, You've got paperwork, you've got cost you've got

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Speaker 2: all this stuff, and we don't even know how bad

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Speaker 2: the problem is.

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Speaker 24: Well, we know it is a big problem when we

782
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Speaker 24: know that there are a lot of people who have

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Speaker 24: been trafficked and badly treated. And of course this bell

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Speaker 24: doesn't just focus on people in New Zealand. It also

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Speaker 24: talks about people in our supply chain. And World Vision

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Speaker 24: is a group that's been advocating for us for a

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Speaker 24: long time, and they estimate, I think that each household

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Speaker 24: spends about seventy seven dollars a week towards supply chains

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Speaker 24: which are impacted by exploitation and slavery. So you can

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Speaker 24: see that they do have data to suduce that it

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Speaker 24: is a problem and that New Zealanders are unwittingly participating

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Speaker 24: in something that they would find it at the apparrent,

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Speaker 24: I think, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, comelor, appreciate your time. That's Carmala Belich to the

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Speaker 2: labor MP who's got the members bill going. And it's

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Speaker 2: thirteen after five. So inflation for the US because we

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Speaker 2: care about the US, world's biggest economy, but also has

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Speaker 2: a flow on effect to US. Right, two point seven

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Speaker 2: percent for the year to June. That's up from two

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Speaker 2: point four percent in the year to May, which is

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Speaker 2: actually close to expectations. So you might think, well, why

802
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Speaker 2: are you telling me about this if it's close to expectations,

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Speaker 2: And what the pundits and the economists were thinking, well,

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Speaker 2: if you look closely at the numbers that came out overnight,

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Speaker 2: the price is bumped on imports, things like clothes and furniture,

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Speaker 2: and then you start thinking, well, that's tariff's, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's Trump's tariff effect taking effect. Finally, what people have

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Speaker 2: been saying will happen is happening. If you take cars

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Speaker 2: out of the equation gets even worse. Take auto out.

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Speaker 2: Fastest monthly increase in inflation in the United States in

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Speaker 2: three years, So sign that the tariffs are biting. The

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Speaker 2: question for US is, you know, does that infation get

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Speaker 2: imported exported around the world. What about our exchange rate?

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Speaker 2: All that stuff. We'll talk about that after six fourteen.

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Speaker 2: After five here on news Talk said big coming up

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Speaker 2: next to the guy who found the kiwi, the very

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Speaker 2: rare keiwi in the bush, who's now fighting fires in Canada.

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Speaker 2: This guy is like a superhero. He's like an action

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Speaker 2: man of the bush. Not only is he saving endangered

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Speaker 2: kiwi here fighting fires in Canada. He's here here all right.

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Speaker 2: Get ready to get yourself by the phone or get online,

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Speaker 2: because the following deal is quite frankly absurd. This is

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Speaker 2: going to go really quickly as well, So you want

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Speaker 2: to get on the phone or you want to get

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Speaker 2: near the internet. Nine dollars ninety nine for canceled export order.

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Speaker 2: Maulbra Savenyon blanc that honestly would be one of the

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Speaker 2: bargain buyers of the year. It's available right now and

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Speaker 2: only at the Good Wine Co. Their website is the

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Speaker 2: Goodwineco dot co dot nz. That's the Goodwineco dot co

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Speaker 2: dot inz. The wine is Riley's Lookout maulbra Savenon Blanc

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Let's just say the quality you're going

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Speaker 2: to get here for ten bucks a battle is unbeatable.

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Speaker 2: This is quality five star rated Marlbrus seven blanc, destined

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Speaker 2: for an overseas market, now being urgently cleared at a

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Speaker 2: rock bottom nine ninety nine bottle mark our words. You'll

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Speaker 2: be impressed and it gets better. Pay just a dollar

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Speaker 2: per case delivery Nationwide conditions apply on that. This is

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Speaker 2: quality five star rated Marlverus seven blanc canceled expert order

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Speaker 2: nine ninety nine per bottle and a dollar per case

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Speaker 2: delivery to your door now. The phones will be ringing hot,

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Speaker 2: so if you can't get through, do head online the

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Speaker 2: Good Wineco dot Co dot MZ. The phone number oh

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Speaker 2: eight hundred double six two double six two. Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 2: Massive News and Conservation. The seed ning at nineteen after

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Speaker 2: five A little spotted kiwi or kiwi puk Puku has

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Speaker 2: been located on the New Zealand mainland for the first

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Speaker 2: time in fifty years. Dock hunter Ian Graham and his

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Speaker 2: little dog Brew discovered the kiwi in the West Coast

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Speaker 2: bush and he is with me now, high Ian Jodda, Hey,

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Speaker 2: tell us how you found this kiwi.

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Speaker 13: Ah, Well, we got a report from a hunter back

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Speaker 13: in March and he'd taken a photo of kiwi that

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Speaker 13: he'd stumbled across while he was doing his job. He

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Speaker 13: passed it on to us and it's in an area

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Speaker 13: that we don't really expect kiwi to be and so

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Speaker 13: we thought it was worth worth.

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Speaker 20: A follow up.

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Speaker 2: This is on the West Coast Adam's Wilderness area.

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Speaker 13: Yes, Adam's in this area, right in the middle of

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Speaker 13: sort of Southwestland. Yeah, we gave it, gave it a

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Speaker 13: follow up and we managed to manage to get in

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Speaker 13: there with a with a group of hunters and myself

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Speaker 13: and my conservation dog Brew spent a week in there.

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Speaker 13: We managed to find a female kiwi in that time

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Speaker 13: and we basically we spent the last last little while

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Speaker 13: trying to determine if she is kiwi. Booka poockoo or not,

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Speaker 13: and it turns out she is. It's pretty exciting for

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Speaker 13: us in the conservation world to see kievy Pockapoko on

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Speaker 13: the mainland sort of outside of a sort of fence

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Speaker 13: sanctuary or pretty to free offshore island for the first

871
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Speaker 13: time in fifty years.

872
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: Did they look different? Do they sound different?

873
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Speaker 25: They do?

874
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 24: They?

875
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 13: When I was there, I spent the first night basically

876
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Speaker 13: calling for Kiwi, sort of soliciting calls. They're quite territorial,

877
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Speaker 13: so they want to call back and let you know

878
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 13: that you're in mere territory. And so the first time

879
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 13: I heard this bird, I knew it wasn't wasn't a

880
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 13: sort of one of the locals, one of the ry

881
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 13: or great spots that are nearby, and heard two of

882
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 13: them they were jeweting, and from that moment I was like, Okay,

883
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 13: these are these guys are different and it was. It

884
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Speaker 13: was pretty pretty exciting. And to contain the excitement for

885
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Speaker 13: a while, did.

886
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: You say, do you do a call? Can you give

887
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: us a give us a call? Is it? Do you

888
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: do it like vocally?

889
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 13: No? No, we we have we have recorded calls. We

890
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 13: play over sort of a loud speaker. If if anyone's

891
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 13: heard kiwi, the male are sort of a shrill, high

892
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Speaker 13: pitched whistle and the female. The females are sort of

893
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Speaker 13: a throaty, sort of cough sound.

894
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they're hard. They're hard to sleep next to.

895
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 25: I've been there they are, Yeah, definitely.

896
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Speaker 2: So so this is all very exciting. Why is that that?

897
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: The the puka puku or the little spotted Kiwi? Why

898
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: are they so much more endangered on the mainland.

899
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Speaker 13: So, the k we puka puckoo the smallest of the

900
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Speaker 13: species of Kiwi. They they're full ground weight as sort

901
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 13: of the been twelve hundred to sort of eighteen hundred grams,

902
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 13: and basically we call stoakeproof for a Kiwi anything over

903
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Speaker 13: one to one point two kilo. So it takes these

904
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Speaker 13: guys a whole lot longer than our other Kiwi species.

905
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Speaker 13: It takes them up to two years to get to

906
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Speaker 13: that stakeproof waight, and so they're vulnerable for a much

907
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Speaker 13: longer period of time.

908
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Speaker 2: You're getting around a bit. You're in Canada right now

909
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: fighting wildfires. How's that going?

910
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Speaker 13: I am it's good. We've just arrived at Cross Lake.

911
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 13: We've sort of spent the last three days traveling to

912
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Speaker 13: get here sort of all it's got sort of actual feats.

913
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Speaker 13: Try and get out onto the fire lune tomorrow. But yeah,

914
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Speaker 13: we're here assisting the basically assisting the locals in Manitoba,

915
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Speaker 13: assisting and sort of providing of welcome relief to their

916
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Speaker 13: busy season.

917
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Speaker 2: In fascinating chat. Thanks for coming on the program. In

918
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Speaker 2: Graham dot Bo Diversity Ranger all round Bush Action Man

919
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Speaker 2: by the sounds of it, sent forty three people by

920
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Speaker 2: the way from Auckland to Vancouver to help with those wildfires.

921
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Speaker 2: They've got one hundred and five active wildfires in Manitoba

922
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Speaker 2: and Canada right now. Whorlst they've had on record twenty

923
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Speaker 2: three after this season, twenty three after five here on

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Speaker 2: news Talks head be coming out next. An update you're

925
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Speaker 2: on that class action lawsuit against A and Z and ASB.

926
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Speaker 2: A little tidbit for you there coming up on news

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Speaker 2: talk s HEADB.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on

929
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Speaker 1: Heather Duper c Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's

930
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Speaker 1: get connected News Talks.

931
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Speaker 2: HEB five twenty six an update on the class action

932
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Speaker 2: lawsuit against A and Z and ASB. They've been sued.

933
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Speaker 2: These are big banks being sued for allegedly breaching our

934
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Speaker 2: credit laws and not making proper disclosures that led to

935
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Speaker 2: fees and interest being overcharged. This all happened, all went

936
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Speaker 2: down between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, but more than

937
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand customers could be affected by it,

938
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Speaker 2: could be made, could be ye the plaintiffs who have

939
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Speaker 2: taken the case. They've now publicly offered a settlement deal

940
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Speaker 2: to the banks, and guess how much their price was?

941
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Speaker 2: Three hundred million dollars banks will amz immediately turns around,

942
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Speaker 2: says Nart rejects. The office says it's a stunt. The

943
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Speaker 2: issue is the governments in the process right now of

944
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Speaker 2: changing the law to retrospectively make cases like this impossible

945
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Speaker 2: and would possibly kill the current class action lawsuit. The

946
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Speaker 2: one they reckon is worth three hundred million dollars. The

947
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Speaker 2: issue is being debated at a Select committee this week.

948
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Speaker 2: He's Phil Newland of LPF Group, who is funding the

949
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Speaker 2: class action suit.

950
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Speaker 10: Long to retrospectively legislate away the litigation rights of tens

951
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Speaker 10: of thousands of everyday New Zealanders in favor of two

952
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Speaker 10: Australian banks four years into the case. It is appallingly unprincipled,

953
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Speaker 10: it is unjustifiable.

954
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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound great, does it. Janetipstraine is with us for

955
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Speaker 2: the latest on that after six thirty this evening, Ryan

956
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Speaker 2: Bridge twenty eight minutes after five now on news talks.

957
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Speaker 2: It'd be after the news at five point thirty. The

958
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Speaker 2: Aussies never got quite got into vaping like we did,

959
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Speaker 2: but they're bringing the rates right down, especially youth vaping.

960
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Speaker 2: So how have they managed to do that? And should

961
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Speaker 2: we could we follow suit to get our kids off

962
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: the vapes? That's straight ahead after news news talks.

963
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Speaker 9: It be.

964
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Speaker 1: After making the news. The newsmakers talk to Ryan first.

965
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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duplessylan drive with one New

966
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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected youth talks'd.

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Speaker 7: B, don't you win the party?

968
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Speaker 25: I can do this.

969
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Speaker 2: All will be done to do the morning on the

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Speaker 2: baby bos deep should even twenty four away from six

971
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Speaker 2: News Talks the b Jack Tay, host of Q and

972
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Speaker 2: A Saturday mornings on News Talks. They being Jordan Williams

973
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Speaker 2: on the huddle in just a few moments. Quite a

974
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Speaker 2: significant day for local government today because Simon Watts came

975
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Speaker 2: out and said, for the first time we think publicly

976
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Speaker 2: that they are going to introduce a rates cap. So

977
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Speaker 2: where will the rates cap be? Jordan, I'm sure will

978
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Speaker 2: have a bit to say about that. They were outside

979
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Speaker 2: the conference local government conference today with a big bus

980
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Speaker 2: calling for a rates cap, So it sounds like they

981
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Speaker 2: got what they wanted over in they need a debt cap. Well,

982
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Speaker 2: they actually have a debt cap in France. The EU

983
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Speaker 2: has a debt cap that all countries must abide by,

984
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Speaker 2: but France doesn't. They don't care. Their GDP right now

985
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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen sob public debt one hundred and

986
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: sixteen percent of GDP. And so what the government's proposing

987
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: to deal with this, to increase efficiency, to try and

988
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Speaker 2: deal with this crippling debt, is to cut back to

989
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: public holidays a year. And they said, you can imagine

990
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Speaker 2: how popular this would be in France, where everyone's probably

991
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Speaker 2: striking most of the time anyway. But they are proposing

992
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Speaker 2: to get rid of Easter Monday and the eighth of May,

993
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: which is their victory day end of World War II.

994
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Speaker 2: So that's going down like a cup of sick in

995
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Speaker 2: France today. As you can imagine, twenty three away from

996
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Speaker 2: six ram Bridge, Australia reckons they've fixed vaping. A new

997
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Speaker 2: study has found the Aussies may have turned a corner

998
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: after years of rapid growth, with new research showing take

999
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Speaker 2: up could have peaked among teenagers and high school age children.

1000
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Speaker 2: Becky Freeman was the lead investigator of the study that

1001
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Speaker 2: looked into the vaping trends and Australian she's with me now,

1002
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Speaker 2: Hi Becky, Hi, how are you going very well? Thank you?

1003
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: Does this mean do these numbers mean you've turned a corner?

1004
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: You passed peak vape for young people in Australia.

1005
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 26: Yeah, look, it's pretty good news compared to a few

1006
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 26: years ago of vaping rates are down amongst teenagers. Obviously,

1007
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Speaker 26: it's still quite worrying from a public health point of

1008
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Speaker 26: view that fifteen percent of teens are still vaping, but

1009
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 26: it does seem like the peak rates are behind.

1010
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: Us, and the under fifteen year olds in particular have

1011
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: dropped quite markedly.

1012
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 26: Yeah, that's true. We're really pleased to see that. You know,

1013
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 26: our youngest teens are telling us that, you know, vaping

1014
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 26: is no longer the norm amongst their friends. They're not

1015
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 26: as curious about it as they were before. And that

1016
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 26: you know, those marketing messages that vaping was you know,

1017
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 26: harmless and fun and something you could do it on

1018
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 26: weekends and parties, those messages aren't getting through nearly as

1019
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 26: strongly as.

1020
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 13: They used to.

1021
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: So is it the coal factor or the lack of

1022
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: the call factor that or is it the restrictions that

1023
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: have been put in place.

1024
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 26: Look, and this is the thing with public health. We

1025
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 26: you know, people always ask what's the one secret we

1026
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 26: can you know, do here to make this all go away?

1027
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 26: And it's like, no, we've got to do it all.

1028
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 26: It's the legislation, it's the campaigns, it's the messaging, it's

1029
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 26: shutting down the advertising. It's all those things working together.

1030
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 26: You have to do everything.

1031
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: In terms of the disposable vibes, are they quite the

1032
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: trendy or what would they in vogue with young people?

1033
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: Is getting rid of those k or even you know,

1034
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: having an impact?

1035
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 26: Yeah, absolutely, it is the disposable vaps that were the problem.

1036
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 26: Young people were not using the refillable devices and things

1037
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 26: like this. It was the cheap disposable it's freightly colored,

1038
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 26: full of flavors, and those are no longer allowed to

1039
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 26: be sold at all, even in pharmacies in Australia, they're

1040
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 26: completely banned.

1041
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: So what if you want to get your hands on

1042
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: a vape like as an adult in Australia, can you

1043
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: just walk into a dairy or service station.

1044
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 26: No, No, you need to legally buy one. You need

1045
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 26: to go to a pharmacy, and in some states you

1046
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 26: require a prescription and in some seats you can just

1047
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 26: buy them over the counter.

1048
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: Do you have lots more people smoking cigarettes in Australia

1049
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: because of that?

1050
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 26: No? No, absolutely not. We have less than ten percent

1051
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 26: of the population they're smoking in Australia.

1052
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: All right, Becky, you appreciate your time. Becky Freeman, Professor

1053
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: of Public Health behind the study. By the way, the

1054
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: numbers this is from the Health Ministrive in Australia fell

1055
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: from seventeen and a half percent this is for young

1056
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: people at the start of twenty twenty three to fourteen

1057
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: point six percent in April. This is fourteen to seventeen

1058
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: year olds. It's just gone twenty to six.

1059
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

1060
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1061
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Speaker 2: On the Huddle tonight Jordan Williams, whose Taxpayers Union and

1062
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday mornings

1063
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: on news talks. He'd be good after good evening, gentlemen, Jordan.

1064
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

1065
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 20: All right?

1066
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Jordan? Hello, there we do guys. I've totally screwed the

1067
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: phones up, but you're both here now, good evening. You

1068
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: right to have you guys on. Hey, let's start with vaping, Jordan.

1069
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that young people if we because over

1070
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: in Australia they do the pharmacy. You basically can't go

1071
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: to a derry, can't go to service station, You're gonna

1072
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: go to a pharmacy to get a vape. Do you

1073
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: think there would be enough to put people off.

1074
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Speaker 8: Here, Well, it does.

1075
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 20: Becky was bang on everything she said except one thing.

1076
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 20: She said that she clearly wasn't aware of New Zealand's

1077
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 20: smoking rates. That we are going to achieve the smoke

1078
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 20: smoke the smoke free target. She's totally wrong that smoking

1079
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 20: rates aren't higher. In fact, here as one of the

1080
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 20: only countries in the Western world where the latest start

1081
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 20: is that more people are smoking, and the reason for

1082
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 20: that is that they have made vaping so difficult The

1083
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 20: thing that I thought was fascinating that interview is she

1084
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 20: said that use vaping rates were fifteen percent despite all

1085
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 20: those restrictions. Well, New Zealand, despite having a much looser

1086
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Speaker 20: vaping or regulated but much more available vaping regime, we've

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Speaker 20: each got the best of both. It's dramatically reduced our

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Speaker 20: smoking rates, which is great. And similarly here we've also

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Speaker 20: had peak in age vaping. According to ASH, which is

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Speaker 20: the sort of sane anti smoking brigade, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 20: it was fourteen percent, it's now down to eight percent,

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Speaker 20: and we're also continuing to reduce the people actually on

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Speaker 20: the harmful darries. So I just Australia is kind of

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Speaker 20: the worst of all them that they've restricted vaping so

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Speaker 20: much people have stayed on the daries are really given

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Speaker 20: into the beginning to town lobbyists, whereas New Zealand seems

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Speaker 20: to be in the balance right that we're both reducing

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Speaker 20: teenage vaping but keeping me at the availability for adults

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Speaker 20: to make the switch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it never really took off vaping there like it

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Speaker 2: did here because that the Aussie's love a love a

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Speaker 2: dart jack.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, they love to hone on a couple of langers. Famously,

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Speaker 25: It's funny. I was in Sydney for New Years and

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Speaker 25: I remember like walking through central Sydney in the kind

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Speaker 25: of nightclub districts and being like, something feels something feels

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Speaker 25: slightly different here, Like something feels slightly off.

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 25: I couldn't put my finger on it, and then I

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Speaker 25: realized it just felt like there were way fewer people

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Speaker 25: vaping and perhaps more people smoking in Australia. And Jordan's

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Speaker 25: quite right. I think if you look at the eighteen

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Speaker 25: to twenty four year old smoking rates in New Zealand

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Speaker 25: versus Australia, I think they're almost twice as high in

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Speaker 25: Australia as they are in New Zealand. So there is like,

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Speaker 25: you know, kind of meaningful difference there. But but I

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Speaker 25: suppose like that that the question really is how many

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Speaker 25: people are being dissuaded from smoking by having relatively loose

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Speaker 25: vaping rules, And that is the tricky balance to strike.

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Speaker 25: I mean, if if Australia is dissuading young people from

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Speaker 25: from taking out the vapes, that's fantastic, But ultimately, if

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Speaker 25: it means a few more percentage of young people decide

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Speaker 25: to smoke instead, in the neat effects could be could

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Speaker 25: be worse.

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Speaker 2: Ye, who's got the baby?

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Speaker 25: We're talking about youth facing and all of a sudden

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Speaker 25: he's got excited. We're working hard.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know, because Jordan, you've got a young one.

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Speaker 2: Ever knew. I wasn't quite sure which of you it

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Speaker 2: would be.

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Speaker 20: But yeah, this is the I think this isn't the

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 20: first time that Jack said the babe in the background

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Speaker 20: on this huddle. I think he must.

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Speaker 25: He must think the value's being informed. You know, he's

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Speaker 25: getting involved.

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Speaker 2: Really well, he shouldn't be listening to you, Jack.

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Speaker 20: I got one more stat for you that that's that

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Speaker 20: I had riddenon this. It just blows my mind. The

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Speaker 20: youth daily smoking rate in Australia is eight point three percent.

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Speaker 20: Ours is one point two, So I get. I mean,

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Speaker 20: none of us want teenagers to be on the vapes,

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Speaker 20: but that's a big difference. Intent You'd much rather someone

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Speaker 20: picking up a vape than picking up a cancer stick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd rather have a kid on this side of

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Speaker 2: the Tasman than that one. On the smoke issue of smoking.

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Speaker 2: Jordan and Jack will get back to the rates caps.

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Speaker 1: Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 1: ones for unmassed results news talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be the huddle tonight, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame

1150
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: And let's hear from Simon Watt's outside the local government

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Speaker 2: conference in christs today.

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Speaker 4: What this place as fast as possible. We're aiming to

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Speaker 4: have that all decided by the definitely before Christmas.

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Speaker 21: If we can go faster, we will.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, you were there. He's talking about a rates cap.

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Speaker 2: Is this them announcing that they are going to do it?

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Speaker 20: You are concerned when Simon and what came out a

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 20: few weeks ago and said, look, we grew with the

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Speaker 20: Taxpayers Union that you know we need some sort of rates.

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00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 20: Raps out are out of control. And these figures out

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Speaker 20: earlier this week that the average rates in the last

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Speaker 20: three years gone up by more than a third. There's

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Speaker 20: three times a level inflation. Clearly something to be done.

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Speaker 20: Our concern was is that if you set a rates

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Speaker 20: cap in a few years time, what's going to happen

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Speaker 20: as councilors are going to ramp up the rates in

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Speaker 20: the meantime, so very significantly. We're actually at our event,

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Speaker 20: he was speaking in front of our enormous semi truck

1169
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Speaker 20: that says cap rates now, he's got the now. But

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Speaker 20: this is very significant, And there was a whole series

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Speaker 20: of announcements yesterday and a new bill that picks up

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Speaker 20: a number of really good policy suggestions that the taxpayer

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Speaker 20: has been making for New Years, we making for Donkeys years.

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Speaker 20: I think we're actually now we're a local government minister

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Speaker 20: who really gets it and is actually saying to local government, look,

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Speaker 20: enough is enough. We've got to get the costs under control.

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Speaker 2: So he actually said we're going to do it, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to do it. We'll have a plan by Christmas.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, there's still some potential. I mean I've just been

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Speaker 20: today with local you know, the local government leaders at

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Speaker 20: the at the very woke Algenz conference, and some of

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 20: them just look at you like a like a cat's

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Speaker 20: bottom and don't want to engage, and then not that

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 20: it's actually a very you know, they come and tap

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01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 20: me on the shoulder and say I can't be seeing

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Speaker 20: with you, but keep up the good work, and then

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Speaker 20: run away.

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Speaker 27: But the.

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Speaker 20: Key thing is is that there seems to now what

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Speaker 20: Algenz'd want to do with some sort of fudge between

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Speaker 20: core spending and non core spending and only cap the

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Speaker 20: non core part. I think it actually be much cleaner,

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Speaker 20: and this is what the government's going away to work on,

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Speaker 20: much cleaner, to say, lock anything that is not infrastructure,

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Speaker 20: anything that is not CAPEX, should be capped. Otherwise, what

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Speaker 20: we risk is games between what is core and what

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Speaker 20: is non for because every ratepayer I talked to only

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Speaker 20: wants to be paying.

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Speaker 2: For core services. Jack, do you think it's I mean,

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Speaker 2: whether it's core or non core or a common notion

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Speaker 2: of both. Is it a good idea hardcore?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: I think yeah. My view isn't as strong as Jordan's

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 25: on this, but I do think that if they go

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Speaker 25: down this path, carving out an allowance so that councils

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Speaker 25: have a kind of different budgetary line for infrastructure or

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Speaker 25: CAPEX is absolutely vital because of course, like you, if

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Speaker 25: you analyze the water infrastructure at different councils across the country,

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01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 25: you have massive disparity. Some councils have managed their assets

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Speaker 25: really really well over the last few decades. Some councils

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 25: haven't and thus faced a much more significant and you know,

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Speaker 25: much more significant investment in their future to make sure

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Speaker 25: that the water is up to scratch and meet the

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Speaker 25: various regulations under the New Water Regulator. So I think

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Speaker 25: that is an absolutely vital part of the equation. One

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 25: thing I would would just say is that, you know,

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Speaker 25: it's curious to think about this governments the haste with

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Speaker 25: which they sought to quote, restore democracy to Toadunger. You

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 25: remember they ended the commissioners and had elections in Todunga

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Speaker 25: so Tota could have it city council back again. And

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Speaker 25: I think that an argument to be made a bit

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Speaker 25: of a philosophical argument that if you truly believe in

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Speaker 25: local democracy, well elite officials should be able to make

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Speaker 25: decisions about how much they charge and money.

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Speaker 2: And I agree. I agree with you Jack.

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Speaker 25: It is you know, in one breath to say you

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Speaker 25: believe in local democracy and then in the next to

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Speaker 25: say we're going to cap rates. Well, I don't know

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Speaker 25: that that's necessarily a philosophically consistent position.

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Speaker 20: Because if people didn't want there's two things on this.

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Speaker 20: Number One is we're part of that democratic reforms, we

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Speaker 20: want recall elections. But two is that it's not a

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Speaker 20: total cap on rates per se. It's saying that if

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Speaker 20: council wants to go above inflation, it should go to

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Speaker 20: the people in local referenda. The Hawks Way Regional Council

1236
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 20: used to often go to local referenda for big decisions.

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Speaker 20: This should be no different to the contrary this. This

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 20: is about local democracy, but it's putting the control in

1239
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 20: voter's hands, not this ounction's hend world where it is

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 20: undemocratic to put apparently more control on voters' hands.

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01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean that the argument is that is that

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 25: voters have an opportunity every three years to make that decision,

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 25: and that you're going to be holding refere interrupt the

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Speaker 25: wires of otherwise.

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Speaker 20: Clearly that's not working when every year promises are being

1246
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 20: broken and rates are going up by thirty four and

1247
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Speaker 20: a half percent in the last three years.

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Speaker 25: And so those elected officials should be held to account

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Speaker 25: by the voters who put them there.

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01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one's voting, so clearly people don't care.

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Speaker 2: Would I guess be the way to end that argument. Guys,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming on the sevening Jordan

1253
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: Williams from the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame from here

1254
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: at Newstalks, B and Q and A on Saturday mornings

1255
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Speaker 2: on TV one it is eight minutes away from six.

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Speaker 2: Now come out after six. We'll look at the electricity authority.

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: They've come out today and said we can get your

1258
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: power billed down. Get this they reckon eighty to one

1259
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty dollars a year. But will it actually work?

1260
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: And it involves you doing something too. That's after six.

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Speaker 2: It's eight two.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Ard Radio powered by News Talks EB.

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Speaker 2: Five to six on News TALKSB loads of texts that

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Speaker 2: I haven't got to apologize for that I will do

1266
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Speaker 2: it now. Ryan. This is Oh. We had Carmela Balatron

1267
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Speaker 2: from Labor. She's putting in a member's bill to fix

1268
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: modern day slavery. Don't know how big the problem is,

1269
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: but we need to do it and appoint a commissioner.

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Speaker 2: No less Grant, says Ryan. This modern day slavery stuff

1271
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Speaker 2: is simply bs, no numbers, no data, no real world examples,

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Speaker 2: just ideological box ticking. Shane says Ryan. Labor completely detached

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Speaker 2: from reality on this. I would bet my mortgage on

1274
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: the fact that ninety nine percent of slave labor in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is small cash orientated businesses, brothels, nail salons,

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: fruit picking contractors, restaurants, none of which are declared anywhere

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01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: near remotely like fifty million dollars, which is remember that's

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: what she said. If your business declares fifty million dollars

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: in turnover, then you would be required to fill in

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Speaker 2: all the forms and show you haven't. I think she's

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Speaker 2: probably getting at the overseas supply chain modern day slavery thing.

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: How are you ever going to prove that? And if

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: you buy something online from parts of Asia and it

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: costs two dollars and it's a T shirt, it's probably

1285
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: got a bit of slave labor in there, doesn't it.

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: So what are we all meant to declare that we've

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Speaker 2: bought something on I don'o timu? You know, how does

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: that actually work? What problem does does it solve? Or

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: does it create more? Ryan Jack Tam is wrong. We

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01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: vote the council out every in or out every three years,

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: not the council staff or the offices. They are the

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Speaker 2: ones making the decisions. Well they're not the ones making

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Speaker 2: the decisions. I agree they have too much power and

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: they need to be put in their place. But if

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: you have the right Council on board. They can do that.

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Speaker 2: That's the point three away from six news talks a

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: b your power bill and how to get it down?

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Speaker 2: After news you can get you talk, can get to talking.

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Speaker 28: Can go to from all this lamelde talking.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What with a major cause and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy. The big business questions

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and mass Insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 5: News talks at be Good.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up shortly, we'll get to Milford for a

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Speaker 2: market update and after the News at six thirty it's

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Speaker 2: the banks, be the people and is the government getting

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Speaker 2: in the way? Select Committee. The Triple c has been

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Speaker 2: looked at by a Select committee and jen Atip Training

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Speaker 2: has the latus on that for us. Then to Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray in the UK before top of the hour. Right now,

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Speaker 2: if you've been hit by some shock power bills this winter,

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Speaker 2: you're not alone and the Electricity Authority is promising to

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Speaker 2: change that for you. Larger power companies are going to

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Speaker 2: be forced to offer time of use plans that make

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Speaker 2: it cheaper to use power during off peak times. Not

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Speaker 2: all companies offer us at the moment, they would be

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Speaker 2: forced to Plus, they would also be forced to pay

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Speaker 2: a fairer return for people. If you've got solar panels

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Speaker 2: and you feedback into the grid during a peak time

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Speaker 2: and a comonic is the chair of the electricity authority

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Speaker 2: with me tonight? Hello?

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Speaker 20: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Is this tinkering around the edges? This stuff?

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Speaker 28: Look, there's no silver bullets for the electricity getting affordability

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Speaker 28: into the electricity sector. What we've announced today is really

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Speaker 28: important for consumers. What we're announcing is market changes that

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Speaker 28: will support cheaper, cheaper off peak power and fair awards

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Speaker 28: for solar and battery users. Those are really important for

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Speaker 28: the future of the electricity sector. They basically make sure

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Speaker 28: that cheap off peak power make sure that most New

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Speaker 28: Zealand households can access the pricing plan that gives them

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Speaker 28: a cheaper rate for electricity use during off peak hours.

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Speaker 28: At the moment, only about ten percent of households, or

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Speaker 28: about two hundred and twenty thousand homes, are currently on

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Speaker 28: a time of use plans, and so we estimate that

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Speaker 28: the savings for a typical household from the changes that

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Speaker 28: we're putting in place today are actually sort of between

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Speaker 28: eighty two hundred and eighty dollars a year depending on

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Speaker 28: the circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Is this going to be and that includes the solar

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Speaker 2: changes or.

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Speaker 28: Just the time that include solar changes?

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Speaker 2: Well, how much of it is the solar versus the

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Speaker 2: time of use?

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Speaker 28: What does depend on the circumstances of the individual household.

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Speaker 28: But you know, for those of people who are looking

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Speaker 28: to actually move their power usage off peak, then the

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Speaker 28: changes we're making today will be significant. For those who

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Speaker 28: have been able to invest in solar and battery, that

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Speaker 28: is a significant incentive for them to actually reward or

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Speaker 28: to benefit the rest of consumers by actually feeding back

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Speaker 28: into the grid. And you know, it's to be what

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Speaker 28: we need to be really clear about is that you know,

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Speaker 28: even for those who have not got solar and battery,

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Speaker 28: we all benefit. If consumers are actually feeding back into

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Speaker 28: jumping back into.

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Speaker 2: It, it's going to be rich, really rich people who

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Speaker 2: have got solar and who can afford it.

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Speaker 28: Right, Well, the return on investment for solar and battery

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Speaker 28: is increasing a.

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Speaker 16: Year on year.

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Speaker 28: If you talk to you know, those who are actually

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Speaker 28: coming out and we've got some banks who are now

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Speaker 28: providing low interest or zero interest loans to actually put

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Speaker 28: on solar and battery. So you know, we expect the

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Speaker 28: uptake of solar and battery to increase, and particularly with

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Speaker 28: evs as well.

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Speaker 2: And are coming back to time of use. You said

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Speaker 2: that it could save eighty two one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: eight a year. What it will be significant how many

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Speaker 2: people will actually do that because there are power companies

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Speaker 2: out there already that offer time of use charges. So

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Speaker 2: if people wanted it, wouldn't they be going there already? Yeah.

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Speaker 28: Well, so last year we surveys surveyed electricity retailers and

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Speaker 28: found that none of the six largest electricity retailers were

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Speaker 28: offering time of use plans to all the customers. So

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Speaker 28: that represents a pretty huge number of New Zealanders who

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Speaker 28: didn't have that option. There are retailers who provide time

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Speaker 28: of use now, and some of those retailers are moving

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Speaker 28: too quickly to provide time of use. We want to

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Speaker 28: see that across the board. We want to see consumers

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Speaker 28: with that option. Of course, it's not going to you know,

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Speaker 28: it benefits everybody, will not be right for everybody, but

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Speaker 28: we should have that choice in the market. And it's

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Speaker 28: a real missing that we haven't had.

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Speaker 2: Is this your first strike. I mean, is there more

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Speaker 2: substantial changes for the sector to come.

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Speaker 28: We have got a whole program of reforms that are

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Speaker 28: rolling out. It's a focused program basically to simplify, standardize

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Speaker 28: and get more transparency in the market. So some of

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Speaker 28: the things that we're working on at the moment unlocking

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Speaker 28: better access to real time energy data so you and

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Speaker 28: I can make better decisions about how we're using our energy,

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Speaker 28: but also launching a new comparison and twitching tool that

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Speaker 28: makes it much easier for people to find the best

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Speaker 28: feal and make sure that the information that we're getting

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Speaker 28: about our energy use is simple and easy to understand.

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Speaker 2: All right, and I appreciate your time, Good luck with

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Speaker 2: your mission and a common chair of the Electricity Authority.

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Speaker 2: Twelve after six Brian Bridge, the government set up the

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Speaker 2: group to look after try and Find Solutions to retail crime,

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Speaker 2: led by Sonny Kashelle. Everybody knows Sunny Coschelle's on the

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Speaker 2: news all the time, loves it. Guess how much has

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Speaker 2: cost five hundred thousand dollars and this is I'll give

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Speaker 2: you the dates. Jinny Anderson from Labor's got the numbers

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Speaker 2: from Paul Goldsmith and it just boggles your mind. How

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Speaker 2: do you how do you rack up a bill like

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Speaker 2: that in such a short space of time first of

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Speaker 2: March twenty twenty five to tenth of June twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about a six month period, less than

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Speaker 2: six month period, and we're talking about half a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: These costs include personnel costs three hundred and twenty nine thousand,

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Speaker 2: cheer and member fees one hundred and two thousand, travel

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Speaker 2: and accommodation nine thousand, six hundred admin sixty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the member remuneration is in accordance with Cabinet Fees

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Speaker 2: framework run by the Ministry of Justice. Invoices received, all okay,

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Speaker 2: all above board, but honestly, half a million dollars for

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Speaker 2: a couple months work? And is reach crime better right now?

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Speaker 2: Not yet? Thirteen after six and we'll get to our

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Speaker 2: Milford market update.

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Speaker 25: Next.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by Newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZIB. Just gone sixteen after six. Jeremy Hutton's

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Speaker 2: will be Milford Asset Management for our market update tonight. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Jeremy hey Eran, how you going. You're good, Thank you. Ryman.

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Speaker 2: We're talking Ryman Healthcare. They've been leading the index so

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Speaker 2: far in July. Is the worst do you think now

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Speaker 2: passed for them? Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 19: Ryman Healthcare, the fairly embattled retirement village operator. They're leading

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Speaker 19: the Intertex boards so far this month. In July, the

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Speaker 19: share price is up fourteen percent, and this was mainly

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Speaker 19: driven by a stronger than expected unit sales update over

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Speaker 19: the April and June period, So that's the first quarter

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Speaker 19: of their financial year. But it just shows to me

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Speaker 19: how much, you know, the stock market is expectations driven,

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Speaker 19: because I wouldn't say that the sales were great. I mean,

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Speaker 19: they're still down ten percent versus the same quarter as

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Speaker 19: last year, but they are a lot stronger than what

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Speaker 19: Rayman was expecting at their result in May. They were

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Speaker 19: expecting down twenty to thirty percent. So you know, the

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Speaker 19: market reasonably happy that at least there's some clear evidence

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Speaker 19: that sales on an improving trajectory.

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Speaker 2: Is there any read through at all on the housing

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Speaker 2: market from the operators, the retirement village operators?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that the retirement village operators do trade is a

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Speaker 19: little bit of a proxy for the New Zealand housing market.

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Speaker 19: Their share prices have ripped really high when the times

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Speaker 19: are good, but as we're all well aware, they've had

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Speaker 19: a tough couple of years and that's also reflective of

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Speaker 19: the housing market too, and you know that's continued into

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Speaker 19: twenty twenty five. We've had pretty much no price growth

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Speaker 19: in the housing market in New Zealand over twenty twenty

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Speaker 19: five and that does impact the retirement village model over

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Speaker 19: the long term. They do need that price growth. But

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Speaker 19: I suppose on the positive side, and what's tending to

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Speaker 19: drive the year of these retirement villages and the short

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Speaker 19: term is more sales volumes in the housing market, so

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Speaker 19: more transactions, more liquidity, and that has steadily been increasing

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Speaker 19: this year pretty consistently, around ten percent above last year.

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Speaker 19: So having that, you know, more liquidity in the market,

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Speaker 19: it's important, you know, they can clear their stock quicker

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Speaker 19: for the retirement village operators, new residences can have that

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Speaker 19: confidence to commit to buying a new unit.

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Speaker 2: Which is obviously good for Ryman. Is it going to

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Speaker 2: turn that share price around because it's fallen well eighty

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Speaker 2: percent over four years.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it has been a really torrid time for Ryman shareholders.

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Speaker 19: I mean the business has had a lot thrown at it,

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Speaker 19: the construction cost inflation boom during the COVID times, huge

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Speaker 19: interest rate hikes, They've had too much debt, and then

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Speaker 19: into the sluggish housing market as well, so shareholders have

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Speaker 19: had to stump up. They've supported two huge equity raises.

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Speaker 19: Almost two billion dollars in fresh money has had to

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Speaker 19: go into this business. But now a new management team

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Speaker 19: and new CFO, new CEO. They're taking a time to

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Speaker 19: form their new strategy, but investors will take a bit

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Speaker 19: of confidence in the in the sales momentum. And you know,

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Speaker 19: if we get a few more interest rate cuts from

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Speaker 19: the RBNZ this year and that starts flowing through into

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Speaker 19: the housing market, then you know, Ryman and the other

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Speaker 19: retirement village operators could be in for a much better

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Speaker 19: time going forward.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, appreciate your time tonight. Jeremy Hutton, Milford Esset Management

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Speaker 2: time now nineteen after six news talk. But we were

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Speaker 2: talking yesterday about the threats that Trump's making against Putin

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Speaker 2: over Ukraine. Just cast your mind back for a second

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Speaker 2: two when the Russians first went into Ukraine. You'll remember

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Speaker 2: these images. It was from CCTV cameras on the Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: border of those columns of tanks driving into Ukrainian territory

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Speaker 2: where the Russian with the Z on the side of

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Speaker 2: the tank, and it was just quite freaky to look at.

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Speaker 2: Remember that image, quite a d ominous, scary thing. And

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Speaker 2: then of course the Russians cud all the CCTV outs,

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Speaker 2: all the cameras stopped. But if you think about that,

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Speaker 2: compare that that was the start in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: to today. It's all drones. And the interesting thing. Wall

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Speaker 2: Street Journal did some analysis of the front line of

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Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine. It's basically frozen because each side

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Speaker 2: has hundreds of drones in the year at any one time.

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Speaker 2: They are so plentiful now and cheap because they're both

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Speaker 2: producing them at a rate of knots. The pilots will

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Speaker 2: actually attack a single soldier on foot, even if it

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Speaker 2: means the drone is shot down its locations exposed. This

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Speaker 2: makes leaving the trenches really dangerous for people. So the

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Speaker 2: front line is just frozen because no one wants to

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Speaker 2: leave the trenches because you've got drones all through the

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Speaker 2: sky that will shoot you, you know, even if you're

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Speaker 2: just one person on your own, as opposed to a whole,

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Speaker 2: you know, group of you. So the front line in

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Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine has basically been frozen for some

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01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 2: time now. It's just fascinating to think how different that

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Speaker 2: battle is now to what it was back in March

1515
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. Twenty one After six News Talk

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Speaker 2: said big, whether.

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01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: It's macro, microbe or just playing economics, it's all on

1518
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: the business hours with Ryan Bridge and Lairs, insurance and investments,

1519
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 2: These talks B twenty four After six the people via

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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: the banks. This is the class action lawsuit that's been

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01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: taken against am Z and ASB the people. The plaintiffs

1523
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 2: have publicly offered a settlement today to the banks to

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Speaker 2: the tune of three hundred million dollars price tag three

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. Am Z immediately rejects that, says it's

1526
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: all a stunt. GENETIP trainee has been across it. Because

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: it's all in Select committee, the government might come in

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01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: and legislate this and reverse legislate it, which would affect

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Speaker 2: this case. GENETIP trainees across it. She's with us after

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Speaker 2: six s ety tonight right now. In some showbiz news

1531
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 2: for you, the nominations for the seventy seventh Emmy Awards

1532
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: have been announced today, and Apple TV's Severance leads the

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 2: nums with twenty seven. Hasn't even seen that. I haven't

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01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: seen it yet. Is it worth it? Well, clearly, if

1535
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: it's been well known, nomination doesn't necessarily mean it's any

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 2: good anyway, I digress. In the Best Drama category, we

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01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: have Severance, We've got slow Horses, The Diplomat, the Pit,

1538
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 2: The Last of Us, which is good, and The White Lotus,

1539
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: which is also good. Competing Wellington's wet A Workshop. They've

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 2: snagged two noms in the same category. They work on

1541
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: House of the Dragon, and The Last of Us has

1542
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Speaker 2: been put up in the Outstanding Special and Visual Effects category.

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01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: The Bear is once again nominated for Best Comedy Series,

1544
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: leaving fans unsure if the show is actually a comedy

1545
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: or is it a drama.

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Speaker 29: I also don't know why they keep putting The Bear

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 29: in the comedy section, especially with season three being the

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 29: one that's nominated. Like The Bear, honestly, season three, season four,

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01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 29: they don't really care about doing comedy. They just want

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01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 29: to do drama now, so obviously might as well just

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01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 29: move this to the drama section.

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: The actual award show, which people don't like watching them

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01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: anymore do They have gone way out of fashion. But

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01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: the actual award show will air live on September the

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 2: fifteenth for people who are wanting to watch it, which

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01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 2: none of you will. It's gone twenty five minutes after

1557
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: six Ryan Bridge Ryan. The gravy train just has a

1558
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: new driver with new passengers. This is about the Retail

1559
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: Crime Group, you know, committee that the government set up

1560
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: to look at retail crime, headed by Sunny Koshell. Five

1561
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars is how much they have spent. It

1562
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: just boggles my mind in the space of three months.

1563
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: Presumably some of that would have been this was from

1564
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: three months last year. Presumably some of that would have been,

1565
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, set up cost, establishment costs which would be

1566
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: sunk but ongoing cost. Surely you can't be spending fun

1567
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: chewing three five hundred thousand dollars in the space of

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Speaker 2: three months. Anyway. I like this gravy train just has

1569
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: a new driver with new passengers because they will be

1570
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: working groups of all varieties, Ryan on This is from

1571
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 2: another text on the issue of power. A dollar fifty

1572
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: three a week in power savings is pointless to the

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01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: electricity authority who's come in with sweeping changes today not

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: so sweeping? Are these people for real? Yeah?

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Speaker 13: They are.

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Speaker 2: They do say there's more to come, so you know,

1577
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: stand very by Ryan. Severance is great, very original and

1578
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 2: different idea. Okay, I will train. It's on Apple, I think,

1579
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 2: isn't it Serance? Twenty seven minutes after six News Talks

1580
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 2: that B. We'll look at that courtcase with the banks

1581
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: in the City Committee.

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Speaker 1: Next everything from SMEs to the big corporates of the

1583
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: business hour with Ryan Bridge and commands, insurance and investments.

1584
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: Grew your wealth, Protect your future Use talks, Envo.

1585
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: Told me job twenty five away from seven, you're on

1586
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: News Talk SEB. We spoke to Jordan Williams earlier. Well,

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Speaker 2: we spoke to actually one of the research start of

1588
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: Australia about smoking the vaping. This is Roy Morgan data.

1589
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: I thought you would be interested after that discussion. The

1590
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: data shows cigarette smoking rates surged in the wake of

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01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 2: the new vaping bands, with one in ten young people

1592
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: aged eighteen to twenty four having picked up smoking. So

1593
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 2: that's a thirty percent increase in less than twelve months.

1594
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: Cigarette smoking surges as you control vaping. This is Roy

1595
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: Morgan data from Australia. Thirty six percent increase in less

1596
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: than twelve months. Sharp rise highlights the unintended consequences of

1597
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: making safer nicotine alternatives harder to access. Now, a lot

1598
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: of your anti vapors don't like the information, but in

1599
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 2: Australia it is the truth. Twenty four to seven Bridge

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Speaker 2: am Z has said no thanks to an offer to

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Speaker 2: settle a class action lawsuit for the core price of

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01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: three hundred million New Zealand dollars. Plaintiffs offered a deal

1603
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: to both am Z and ASB. ASBZ to respond to

1604
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 2: the proposal, but am Z has said that Janetip Trainey

1605
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Speaker 2: is The Herald's Wellington Business editor and is with me now,

1606
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: Hyjene Hey Ryan, So how would this deal work exactly?

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: Am Z and ASB would both individually be on the

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01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: hook for three hundred million or is it together?

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 30: It's three hundred million each. So A and Z has

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01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 30: said no thanks, ASB is still considering it. Basically under

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 30: the current law they could actually be liable for much

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 30: more than that. It could be more than six hundred

1613
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 30: million combined. But the controversial thing here is that the

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Speaker 30: government is changing the law in such a way that

1615
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Speaker 30: the banks, you know, could be liable for much less,

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01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 30: much less than even six hundred million. So that's the

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 30: big issue here because normally when governments change the law,

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01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 30: it's changing the law for the future. But the thing

1619
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 30: here is that they wanting to change the law to

1620
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 30: the way it's applied to the past, specifically to a

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 30: period between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, so that's when

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01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,839
Speaker 30: the breach has around this court case happened.

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01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, so retrospective law that could completely put the kibosh

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01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: on this case that they're taking right well kind of.

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01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 30: So under the current law, if banks disclose the wrong

1626
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 30: information about your loan, the starting point for the penalty

1627
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 30: is that they have to repay you all your borrowing

1628
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 30: costs for the time of the breach. So you know,

1629
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 30: in this case there could be about one hundred and

1630
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 30: fifty thousand people involved, I think of all the interests

1631
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 30: they've paid over the time of a breach. But you

1632
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 30: know that that could really mount up. The way the

1633
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 30: government wants to change the law is to say that

1634
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 30: the judge has can have discretion to have a proportionate penalty,

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01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 30: so to have a fair penalty. So you know, in

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01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 30: this case, if under the proposed new law, for the

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Speaker 30: judge looks at it and says, oh, actually, this was

1638
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 30: really bad, the banks could still face a really big penalty,

1639
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 30: or the judge could go, oh, it's not that bad. Actually,

1640
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 30: you know what, We're sure a smaller penalty.

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01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 30: The banks have already actually reimbursed customers for the losses

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01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 30: because of the mistakes, sort of in the order of

1644
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 30: about forty million dollars, so you know, the amount that

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01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 30: it could be under the existing law is much larger

1646
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Speaker 30: than the forty million.

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Speaker 2: The Government's obviously trying to get these changes through the

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01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: at the moment been heard in Select committee this week.

1649
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Act in New Zealand First on board with the retrospective

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01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: part of it.

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 30: Well, they have their reservations. I spoke to New Zealand

1652
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 30: First Shane Jones today and he said, you know, he

1653
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 30: wouldn't jumped to conclusions, but it's very very bad practice

1654
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 30: to change something retrospectively. He said that New Zealand First

1655
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 30: would you know, still have a think about whether it

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 30: would support the bill, you know, further down the parliamentary

1657
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 30: process acts. David Seymour, he said he actually wrote to

1658
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 30: Scott Simpson, the Minister, and raised his concerns, but David

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01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 30: Seymour said, he's part of the government and you know

1660
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 30: we'll kind of go along with you know, he's not

1661
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 30: going to kick up a stinct necessarily. So I think

1662
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 30: there's still you know, some uncertainty there. It's interesting here

1663
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 30: because there's so much money at stake, you know, banks

1664
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 30: massive players are they're lobbing hard. The lawyers who are

1665
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 30: bringing the class action forward, there's a lot for them

1666
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 30: to gain as well. The funders of the class action.

1667
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 30: They are pushing really hard. It's going to be interesting

1668
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Speaker 30: to see which way the politicians end up end up going.

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Speaker 2: What have you made of the submission so far in

1670
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Speaker 2: this committee?

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Speaker 30: Well, sitting in Select Committee today and they're pretty passionate. Again,

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Speaker 30: I think it's because there's a lot of money at stake.

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01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 30: You know, on the one hand, it's fair that they

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Speaker 30: have large penalties for banks because you know, if you're

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01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 30: just a person, you meant to go through your mortgage

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 30: contract with a fine tooth comb and make sure all

1677
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 30: the details are correct. So that's a fair, fair argument.

1678
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,919
Speaker 30: But then you know the banks say if the penalties

1679
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 30: are too heavy handed, that could cripple them, like it

1680
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 30: won't cripple A and Z and ASB, but it could

1681
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,799
Speaker 30: cripple some smaller lenders. So there are some pretty strong

1682
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 30: arguments I think being made. And the retrospectivity element is

1683
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 30: it's just not good. No, you can't pull the rug

1684
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 30: out from beneath people.

1685
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: And that doesn't seem fear does that, But that's obviously

1686
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: what they're what they're trying to weigh up at the

1687
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Speaker 2: moment to theay, I appreciate your time tonight. Janet Tobstraeney,

1688
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 2: the Herald's Wellington Business editor, with us it is twenty

1689
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: to seven on News Talk CB. I will get to

1690
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: our UK correspondent Gavin Gray before seven o'clock. Also, I've

1691
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 2: got a little tidbit for you, just a little something

1692
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: to share about the world number one golfer. This is

1693
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Scotty Scheffler. He's asked basically, what is the point of golf?

1694
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 2: Which is quite an unusual thing you would think for

1695
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: a golfer to say, especially if you're the world's number

1696
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: one currently. He gets quite a little bit emotional and

1697
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 2: quite honest in an interview. I'll bring that to you shortly.

1698
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1699
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Lairs, Insurance and investments,

1700
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future Newstalks V.

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: We've got to Gavin Gray in the UK just a second. First,

1702
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 2: this is world number one golfer Scotty Scheffler. He's asking,

1703
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: basically what is the point of it all golf? That is,

1704
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: he was asked in a press conference. This is a guy,

1705
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 2: by the way, who has you know, won PGA Championship

1706
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: this season, who's won eighty seven million dollars in prize money,

1707
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: he's been world number one for one hundred and twelve

1708
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: consecutive weeks, and he's asking what's the point in golf?

1709
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: He was asked at a press conference how long does

1710
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 2: he celebrate his victories for and ended up sort of

1711
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: questioning why, what is the point of being the best

1712
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: golfer in the world.

1713
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 31: Have a listen, I'm not here to inspire somebody else

1714
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 31: to be the best player in the world, because what's

1715
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 31: the point? You know, this is not a fulfilling life.

1716
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 31: It's it's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's

1717
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 31: not fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest, you know,

1718
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 31: places of your heart. You know, there's a lot of

1719
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 31: people that make it to what they thought was going

1720
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 31: to fulfill them in life, and then you get there,

1721
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 31: and all of a sudden you get to number one

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Speaker 31: in the world, and then they're like, what's the point?

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Speaker 2: He said. It feels like you work your whole life

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Speaker 2: to celebrate winning a tournament for a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: of you far happiness. He said, It only lasts a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes to win the Byron Nelson Championship at home.

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Speaker 2: He says, I literally worked my entire life to become

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Speaker 2: good at golf to have an opportunity to win that tournament.

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Speaker 2: You win it, you celebrate, You hug your family, My

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Speaker 2: sister is there. It's an amazing moment. Then it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what are we eating for dinner? And life goes on.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? You would think being at the absolute pinnacle,

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Speaker 2: at the top of your game, the best in the

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Speaker 2: world for such a long period of time, and pulling

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Speaker 2: in so much money. I don't know maybe it you

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01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 2: become a bit numb to it all at that point.

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Speaker 2: It certainly seems that way, or maybe it was just

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Speaker 2: having a bad day and feeling a bit introspective. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Fourteen minutes away from seven Brian Bridge, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Gray's our UK correspondent, Gavin, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 21: Hi there right.

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Speaker 2: Who's taking responsibility for this leak of the thousands and

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01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 2: thousands of names of Afghans who applied to move to

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01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: the UK when the Taliban took over back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two.

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Speaker 21: Somebody from the Ministry of Defense.

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Speaker 32: But we're not being told a name, we're not actually

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Speaker 32: being told what's happened to that person, and it's caused

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Speaker 32: a great deal of anger. So we've learned this week

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Speaker 32: because a gagging order, a court gagging order preventing any

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Speaker 32: publication of this story has just been rescinded, and we've

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01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 32: only learned this week that somebody accidentally emailed a spreadsheet

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Speaker 32: of names of those in Afghanistan who had applied to

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01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 32: become to the UK. As you said, the Taliban, of

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01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 32: course took over very very quickly, chaotic scenes, and there

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01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 32: were some in Afghanistan who had helped British troops the

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Speaker 32: Allied forces by either translating or by no doubts that

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Speaker 32: are spying within communities with information, and those people, of

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Speaker 32: course naturally feared for their life when the Taliban took over.

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Speaker 32: Now they applied and it appeared the government had been

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Speaker 32: playing hardball with this, and yet now we learn that

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Speaker 32: actually somebody had emailed this spreadsheet out and then the

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Speaker 32: government decided, well, it was only fair that everyone virtually

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01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 32: on that spreadsheet should be allowed to come to the UK,

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Speaker 32: because of course that had put their lives at risk.

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Speaker 32: Details are well nearly nineteen had applied to move to

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Speaker 32: the UK. The previous government learned of the breach in

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Speaker 32: August twenty twenty three when some of the details appeared

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Speaker 32: on Facebook. A new resettlement scheme for those on the

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Speaker 32: list was set up nine months later. Four and a

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Speaker 32: half thousand arrived in the UK so far, but it

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Speaker 32: is estimated that there are at least another two and

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Speaker 32: a half thousand still in Afghanistan. The scheme is being

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Speaker 32: closed down. The cost so far has been eight hundred

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Speaker 32: and fifty new million New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 21: It's likely to cost double.

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Speaker 5: That in the end.

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Speaker 32: And still no response as to who did this, whether

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Speaker 32: they're still in their job.

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Speaker 2: Quite extraordinary, certainly is given. And more than a million

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Speaker 2: people in the UK receiving benefits were born overseas.

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Speaker 32: Yeah, this has been a really really interesting way, both

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01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 32: in which this has been reported but also in the

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Speaker 32: figures themselves. So it's long been questioned by those particularly

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Speaker 32: anti immigration, those on the right, those trying to say

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Speaker 32: the UK money, saying, look how much of our benefits

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Speaker 32: bill is going to those who were born in the

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Speaker 32: UK and how much is either going to refugees asylum

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Speaker 32: seekers those who come into the UK were Now the

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Speaker 32: answers are out. In June, nearly eight million people received

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Speaker 32: Universal Credit that is like a top up to help

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Speaker 32: people both employed and unemployed people with living costs, and

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Speaker 32: eighty three percent were British and Irish nationalists. Now, when

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01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 32: you strip that down, more than one million claimants were

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Speaker 32: born overseas, and that includes seven hundred thousand European Union

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Speaker 32: citizens who arrived in the UK before Brexit but have

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Speaker 32: the right to remain and live and work in the UK.

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Speaker 32: At one point five percent of claimants were refugees and

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Speaker 32: seventy five thousand claimants who were in the UK temporarily

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Speaker 32: and would typically not be able to receive benefits are

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Speaker 32: also claim in this particular benefit.

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Speaker 21: So you could look at this to say, oh.

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Speaker 32: Well, you know eighty three percent are British and Irish nationals.

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Speaker 21: First of all, why are Irish nationals getting it?

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Speaker 32: Some people, I think we'll ask, But also why are

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Speaker 32: so many people who weren't burned in the UK allowed

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Speaker 32: to claim this? And it is a huge sum of

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Speaker 32: money that is going out in betterfits. We've had the

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Speaker 32: big row here over of course that benefits build a

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Speaker 32: government trying to reduce it, and now that's been overturned

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Speaker 32: by its own MPs, and many people just think we've

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Speaker 32: got to get a grip on this before it spirals

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Speaker 32: even further out of control.

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Speaker 2: Is the proportion, you know, is a proportion of the population.

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Speaker 2: Are they the refugees or the immigrants getting more than

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying is a proportion of the population,

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Speaker 2: Or is anyone saying yeah, it's out of wick?

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Speaker 32: Well, these figures are slightly askew because to get Universal

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01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 32: Credit you can also be working, but in a low

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Speaker 32: paid job, and what do many migrants have low paid jobs.

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01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 32: So you know it's very difficult to draw out. We

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Speaker 32: need more precise figures from the government and I think

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Speaker 32: that's going to be very difficult to get out of them.

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Speaker 2: I saw the story this morning. It's made headlines here

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. The wee girl who was wearing a

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Speaker 2: Union Jet Spy skuil dress, Union jeck dress and was

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Speaker 2: kicked out of school.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, quite extraordinary this.

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Speaker 32: So this was actually at a school culture celebration day,

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Speaker 32: so all the children were encouraged to dress in a

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01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 32: way in which it reflected a culture that they wanted

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01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 32: to highlight. And of course, you know there were lots

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Speaker 32: of being in Rugby in the Midlands, lots of different

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01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 32: ethnic representations. There one girl who is British and a

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01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 32: twelve year old turned up wearing a Union jack dress

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Speaker 32: like if you remember, one of the Spice girls, and

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Speaker 32: also wanted to give a speech as part of that

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Speaker 32: culture celebration day, to give her speech about being British,

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Speaker 32: after all we do live in Britain, but she was

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Speaker 32: denied and sent home. The school has since apologized and

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 32: said that was a bit of a misunderstanding. Offer are

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Speaker 32: and Sirius sincere and unreserved apologies, but now campaign's grown

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Speaker 32: for the head teacher to be kicked out. And this,

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Speaker 32: I'm afraid is a long line, the last and long

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01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 32: line of stories right where people have turned up at

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Speaker 32: events that are supposed to celebrate culture in all its

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Speaker 32: forms and yet seem to be a shame to be British.

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Speaker 21: When it comes to it, I dare say it.

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Speaker 32: Is the stigma attached to some elements of the population

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Speaker 32: by the British flag, the Union flag representing it at

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Speaker 32: times far right. It's said, but really this does seem

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Speaker 32: absolutely extraordinary. And this only made the news because the

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Speaker 32: father and the daughter just thought this is a bit

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Speaker 32: unfair and put it on Facebook, having had to pick

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Speaker 32: his daughter up early somewhat in disgrace away. The school

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Speaker 32: now wants her to give her speech to.

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Speaker 21: The whole of the school. But I don't think that

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Speaker 21: really addresses what's up fault here.

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Speaker 2: No it doesn't. You're quite right, givin thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Gray are UK correspondent. I saw the video of

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Speaker 2: the poor wee girl you're twelve years old and sent

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Speaker 2: packing for wearing she said, I like my sparkly dress.

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Speaker 2: And her speech was about British culture being polite and

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Speaker 2: friendly and kind and eating fish and chips and complaining

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Speaker 2: about the weather. I mean, honestly, get a grip eight

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Speaker 2: to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see Allen dry Full Show

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Speaker 2: It is five minutes away from seven loads of feedback

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, which we didn't get to. This one saying

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Speaker 2: that in the seventies we tried the open plan classroom thing,

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Speaker 2: the barnyard style classroom. I think earlier I accidentally called

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Speaker 2: it open air classrooms. Somebody said that might actually sort

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Speaker 2: some of our problems out. But no, open style barnyard

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Speaker 2: classrooms not going to happen anymore under this government. They've

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Speaker 2: announced today. Many of you are celebrating that today. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a great thing. Doesn't fix the problem of

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Speaker 2: those that have already been converted, though, does it. And

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Speaker 2: we spoke to it on you Order High schoo principle

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Speaker 2: today said their problem was a four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: student classroom, one room, four hundred and fifty students, twenty

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Speaker 2: six classes, whose idea was that anyway it's gone. They

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Speaker 2: spent one and a half million dollars converting them back

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Speaker 2: to single cells. That is it for us tonight. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening. And so what are we

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Speaker 2: going out to tonight?

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Speaker 27: No Tears Left to Cry by Ariana Grande to play

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01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 27: us out tonight. It's been announced that Ariana Grande is

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01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 27: going to be one of the voice actors, one of

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Speaker 27: the leading voice actors, and an upcoming animated adaptation of

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Speaker 27: Oh the Places You'll Go by Doctor Seuss. Yes, they're

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Speaker 27: making a movie of Oh the Places You'll Go. And

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Speaker 27: not only they're doing it, they're gonna put Ariana Grande

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Speaker 27: in it. And she's someone she's worked with before as well.

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Speaker 27: John m chu who directed Wicked and is directing the

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Speaker 27: upcoming Wicked sequel. He's he's directing it as well, so

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Speaker 27: they're working together on it again. I don't see how

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Speaker 27: you could possibly make a movie about Oh the Places

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Speaker 27: You'll Go, Sarah that there isn't a plot, but anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 27: good luck with that Ariana and John.

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Speaker 2: It's got a great voice, I'll give it that.

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Speaker 8: And she has stand voice acting before.

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Speaker 27: She had actually voiced on Winks Club back in the day,

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Speaker 27: so she's first radio all.

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Speaker 2: Right, talented too, and obviously she's ahead of the box office.

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Speaker 2: If they're making another Wicked, there you go. Adiana Grande

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Speaker 2: to sing you out tonight three to seven here on

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Speaker 22: Tomor owns.

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Speaker 5: Figure I'm making it eleven, I'm living.

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Speaker 13: So we turning up.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, we turning.

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