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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B.

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Speaker 2: July twelfth, the day.

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Speaker 1: The Old Blacks can close out the series or will

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Speaker 1: the second string French pull out of first rate performance.

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Speaker 1: Fady Blacks coming to you from the Wellington waterfront, where

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Speaker 1: the excitement is stronger than a Southerly in the capitol,

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Speaker 1: Live from Shed twenty two. It's Weekend Sport with Jason

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Speaker 1: Pine on your home of Sport News Talks ed B.

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Speaker 3: Yes, curly it afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport on News

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Speaker 3: Talks ed B. As the man said quite emphatically, Saturday,

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Speaker 3: July twelve, Happy birthday to Poorscha Woodman Whitcliffe. She'll plan

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Speaker 3: on the right wing for the Black Ferns against Australia

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Speaker 3: this afternoon on her thirty fourth birthday. I'm Jason Pine

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Speaker 3: Show producer Andy McDonald on the day of the second

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Speaker 3: All Blacks test of the year and an international double

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Speaker 3: header of course, with the Blacks meeting Australia for the O'Reilly Cup.

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Speaker 3: The show is coming to you from the wonderful Shed

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Speaker 3: twenty two on Wellington's waterfront as we build towards a

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Speaker 3: four thirty kickoff in the early game Black Ferns the Australia,

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Speaker 3: then seven o'clock tonight or just after All Blacks v.

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Speaker 4: France. For those who know Wellington, Shared twenty two.

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Speaker 3: of Odland's Plaza on Tallanucky Street Wharf, one of the

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Speaker 3: best venues in the capitol. On match day like today,

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Speaker 3: onbionce and the backgrounds. A number of punters have taken

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Speaker 3: perfect harbourside location to grab some lunch, to drink, maybe

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Speaker 3: and really just a very very easy stroll down to

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Speaker 3: until three o'clock this afternoon. An all star cast joining

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Speaker 3: us on the show today our most capped all Black

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Speaker 3: center Conrad Smith kicks us off in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Another double World Cup win, Victor Victor later on the hour.

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Speaker 3: Another All Black's legend, Dane Coles, is going to pop

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Speaker 3: in a bit later on, as is Hurricanes and former

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Speaker 3: England international Brad Shields Hurricanes centurion that is, and former

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Speaker 3: England loose forward Brad Shields. Plenty of time, Plenty of

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Speaker 3: time for your pregame thoughts and predictions as well. You

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Speaker 3: Other matters around today Big eight Days in Wellington actually

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Speaker 3: next Saturday, the football posts will be up at sky

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Speaker 3: A couple of Knicks players, Corbyn Piper and Isaac Hugh's

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Speaker 3: red Ball this week, team principal Christian Horner relieved of

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Speaker 4: With the team.

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Speaker 3: It's been a fairly ordinary season for red Ball. Going

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Speaker 3: Adam Peacock out of Australia as per usual on a

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Speaker 3: Saturday Live Sport the first of the National Basketball League

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Speaker 3: semi tips off at two o'clock this afternoon in christ Church,

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Speaker 3: the two time defending champion Canterbury Rams up against the

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Speaker 4: Will keep our eyes on that for you.

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Speaker 3: As mentioned, your calls and correspondence always encouraged and that

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Speaker 4: Coming up eleven past.

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Speaker 5: Midday analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

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Speaker 5: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine Call eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 6: And a so called second strength Frank side has delivered

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Speaker 6: a first rate performance. But the All Blacks hang on

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Speaker 3: So that was under the roof a week ago in

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Speaker 4: That are required ahead of tests too.

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Speaker 3: Can we actually start in your former position? How do

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Speaker 3: you assess Billy Procter's ability to become the long term

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm a big fan of beliefs I think he's

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Speaker 7: You've got to keep himself healthy. He's got to keep

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Speaker 7: You know, you're skill set gets you're there, how long

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Speaker 3: Indeed, the twelve thirteen partnership feels very important on a

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Speaker 4: And he's still playing.

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Speaker 3: Man listening, I say, he's got another contract at the

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Speaker 4: Do you talk to him at all much? Have you

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Speaker 7: He still is professional about his game as he's ever

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Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if it's not the last time Brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Well, we watched with interest to how long he goes?

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Speaker 3: tonight off the back of the winning Dunedin last weekend? Conrad,

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Speaker 3: what do you think the major improvements the coaching staff

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Speaker 7: which was a bit of a talking point, and I

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Speaker 3: coming through on text. But the best way to make

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Speaker 3: your point is on the phones. There was a spare

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Speaker 3: line there, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The

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Speaker 3: background noise you can hear of just tuning in is

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Speaker 3: that of Shed twenty two in downtown Wellington where we're

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Speaker 3: coming to you from today.

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Speaker 2: Chris.

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Speaker 3: Is Jason A presenting the show from Anywhere Hamilton for

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Speaker 3: Test three next week? Chris happily, Yes, happily. We're locked

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Speaker 3: into the Roaming Giants, a place I've never been. I've

442
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Speaker 3: never been to the Roaming Giant in Hamilton. I'm looking

443
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Speaker 3: forward very much to being their next Saturday between midday

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Speaker 3: and three. If you're in that region, Chris, that's the

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Speaker 3: reason you're asking the question, pop on down. We'd love

446
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Speaker 3: to have the chance to chat to you half past

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Speaker 3: twelve on news Talks hereb it's going.

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Speaker 4: To break away when come back.

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Speaker 3: More of your calls, Oh eight one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty any feature of the All Blacks and particularly

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Speaker 3: the center position.

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Speaker 4: Kenda chat about today back after.

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Speaker 1: This good week Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington.

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Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Finn and GJ. Gunner Homes

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks, abe.

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Speaker 3: A News Talks HEVB twelve thirty three. Yes, come to

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Speaker 3: your Life from Shed twenty two and Wellington. Okay, we're

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Speaker 3: a report my on side, Executive producer Zoe. He's just

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Speaker 3: gone outside to check on it. I don't have a

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Speaker 3: great view from where I am, but excuse me, parent,

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Speaker 3: it's absolutely pouring down out there at the moment. So

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Speaker 3: that is forecast today for Wellington, cloudy with a few

463
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Speaker 3: showers easing for a time this evening. Northerly's fresh at times,

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Speaker 3: so it's a bit of a mixed bag. They're almost

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Speaker 3: edging their bets, aren't they when they say at times

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Speaker 3: easing for a time fresh at times they're just having

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Speaker 3: a guess, aren't they. In many ways that's that it's okay,

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Speaker 3: Come kick off, George, Hello mate.

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Piney.

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Speaker 8: How are you very good?

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Speaker 3: Georgian side Shared twenty two better than being outside Shared

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Speaker 3: twenty two by the sounds of it, definitely.

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Speaker 13: I'm lost the coach of the eighty five and Wellington

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Speaker 13: and that is that is chucking it down. Hey, you're

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Speaker 13: fully prop the rico. Yeah, I hope it's not. You know,

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Speaker 13: I hope it's not make or breaking civital times for

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Speaker 13: Billy just yet. I think coaches have a really important

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Speaker 13: role to play at this stage of someone's career, where

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Speaker 13: they've got to make sure they feel that the player

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Speaker 13: themselves feels comfortable and supported in that position, because you know,

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Speaker 13: the best out of a player when they feel as

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Speaker 13: though they've got the backing of coaches and selection and

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Speaker 13: they're not, you know, playing playing for the selection next week,

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Speaker 13: if you know what I mean. So, I'd like to

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Speaker 13: see Billy given a bit of time in the saddle

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Speaker 13: to prove it's worse than an adjust to the step up,

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Speaker 13: because he's got all the the caliber of skills that

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Speaker 13: can make it at this level. When you hear a

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Speaker 13: guy like corner Ed Smith been so complimentary of his coachability.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know, if someone worth sticking to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I agree, and then I look around

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Speaker 3: as well, George, and I think, okay, if it's not

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Speaker 3: Billy and it's not Rico, then who is the center?

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Speaker 3: And I know Anthony Lennart Brown, you know, is very

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Speaker 3: valuable for his versatility. He can play twelve and thirteen

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Speaker 3: and maybe that's.

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Speaker 4: His role to play.

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Speaker 3: But I look around and I wonder if it's not

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Speaker 3: one of those two, then who might it be. I'm

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Speaker 3: like you, but I'm very biased. I'm from Wellington. I've

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Speaker 3: watched a lot of Billy prop to play and I'm

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Speaker 3: glad he's got the opportunity. But like you, I think

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Speaker 3: they need probably more than any partnership in a rugby team.

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Speaker 4: The twelve and thirteen need time together.

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Speaker 3: And thankfully Jordy and Billy will probably get there for

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Speaker 3: the Hurricanes, and I hope they also do for the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks over certainly this year.

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Speaker 4: In the next couple.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 13: I think it's going to be the next point. I

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Speaker 13: think it's probably not Rico that it's going to ultimately

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Speaker 13: put the most pressure on him.

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Speaker 7: It's probably Leonard Brown.

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Speaker 13: Given the winger stops to where they are, I think

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Speaker 13: it's important that Rico gets a bit of time to

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Speaker 13: get from eliar back on the wing twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 12: There was a long time.

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Speaker 13: Ago when he was so legal there, so it's not

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Speaker 13: given he's going to pick up where he left off

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Speaker 13: on the wing.

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Speaker 10: But see your caller's point before, where it's a position.

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Speaker 13: We're very light on in the wing compared to to

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Speaker 13: the midfield. So I think they're a better place to

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Speaker 13: who's here with Rico back there and really throw some

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Speaker 13: trust and Billy at center because he's got all the

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Speaker 13: skills to do the job really well and play the

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Speaker 13: wide game.

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Speaker 4: Good Man, Where are you playing today?

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Speaker 7: Mate?

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Speaker 8: Rup with Calvin for.

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Speaker 12: The university ground.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, the mighty under eighty five kg grade is thriving,

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Speaker 13: but very hard for the young fellows to throw the

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Speaker 13: ball around and get the school it was going when

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Speaker 13: it's it's foggy as it's been the last.

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Speaker 7: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: But a coaching a coaching challenge for you, A coaching

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Speaker 3: challenge for you, George, A coaching challenge a.

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Speaker 13: Right hard so hard to wrack and wall it up

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Speaker 13: there the cats cross that are eighty two kg ringing

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Speaker 13: with but a good challenge all the saving and the boys.

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Speaker 10: Are they really enjoy it, good Man?

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Speaker 3: Good on you make Grady chat has always always enjoy

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Speaker 3: your calls. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as our

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Speaker 3: number as we come to your life from Shed twenty

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Speaker 3: two on a day.

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Speaker 4: That's but wait at the moment, but don't worry, it'll improve,

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Speaker 4: Hello Jeff.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's for the All Blacks And I think that

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Speaker 14: that I'm going to say. I think that guy who

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Speaker 14: said about the wingers we don't have any decent wingers.

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Speaker 14: I don't think that's very fair because heaps of times

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Speaker 14: the ball never got through the back line and got

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Speaker 14: to the winger. So how can the wingers run and

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Speaker 14: score if you look at if you look at different countries,

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Speaker 14: they run more and pass more. Who's the All Blacks

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Speaker 14: had a little bit inclined to barge more and they

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Speaker 14: get it. They get they're not going to bard through

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Speaker 14: those through the other team.

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Speaker 3: Never in Phoenix Chief last week, you know Will Jordan

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Speaker 3: did get two tries and had a third one chalked off.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, this doesn't magnificent life. I will give them credit

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Speaker 14: for that, but that's only once. The running ball is

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Speaker 14: the best ball and passing not barging, and it's kind

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Speaker 14: of a kicking instead of kicking right, big long cats

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Speaker 14: down there. Sure, sometimes they've got to get out of trouble,

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Speaker 14: out of danger, I will agree, But lots of times

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Speaker 14: they could have put a nice up and under and

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Speaker 14: gave the All Blacks a chance to get there and

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Speaker 14: get the ball. And I feel as though there was

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Speaker 14: just far too much kicking, far too much barge in

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Speaker 14: and only once that I was Barrett get over there,

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Speaker 14: which was a magnificent.

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Speaker 7: Try.

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Speaker 14: So all I can say is good luck to the

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Speaker 14: All Blacks tonight, and I hope they agree with France

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Speaker 14: on Jeff.

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Speaker 3: No, good on you, mate, that's a good call. Let's barging,

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Speaker 3: let's kicking. More passing for you, Jeff. I don't mind

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Speaker 3: it as a mentra. Hello, Henry, very good, thanks mate.

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Speaker 12: Hey he is a good game.

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Speaker 10: But what if David HARVILLI plays really well in some lines?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: What are they going to look at it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: More of a second five though, right, David Harvilly. I

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Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen him play at center. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people realize that David Harvilly is

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Speaker 3: a very handy rugby player to have in your team.

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00:30:01,227 --> 00:30:03,507
Speaker 3: You can cover other positions as well. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I feel we've got a lot of good

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Speaker 3: twelves at the moment, Henry.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we seemed to that, you know.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: looking Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.

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Speaker 7: That.

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Speaker 3: That ANZAC fifteen game will be interesting, you know, because

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Speaker 3: they haven't been together very long, have they. The you know,

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Speaker 3: the Australia and New Zealand Invitational team. It's almost a

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Speaker 3: little bit like a Barbarian side, isn't it. And the

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Speaker 3: Lions are starting to really grow into their work over

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Speaker 3: there by the looks of things. So yeah, I'm quite

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Speaker 3: quite interested to see how the Kiwi boys go. Not

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Speaker 3: enough black in the jersey for me, Henry, it seems

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Speaker 3: to be very very gold. That jersey needs some more blackness,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 12: You like to company on.

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Speaker 10: Can you complain about that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know who you complain to, Henry, somebody probably Mate,

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Speaker 3: somebody Ian Foster part of the coaching stuff as well.

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Speaker 4: Good on you, Henry, good the chat mate.

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Speaker 3: A couple of texta here looking forward to wrecking ball

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Speaker 3: Tava Tava Naway coming on tonight.

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Speaker 4: That boy is not a one dimensional player.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing him as well. I would

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00:31:11,507 --> 00:31:13,947
Speaker 3: have liked it on a drier night, But what can

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00:31:13,987 --> 00:31:16,987
Speaker 3: you do. You can't control the weather, can you. There's

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00:31:17,027 --> 00:31:19,507
Speaker 3: nothing you can do about the weather as far as

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Speaker 3: deboos and that sort of thing of concerned. So yeah

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Speaker 3: to Mothy Tava Tavanao, looking forward to seeing how he

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Speaker 3: goes when he gets some opportunity out there tonight, Vicky says, Oh, mate,

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Speaker 3: Jeff a spot on. Our wingers are often twiddling their

623
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Speaker 3: thumbs out there. Stop the barging and flick the pull

624
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Speaker 3: to our speedy boys. Well, I hate to disappoint you

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Speaker 3: Vicky and you Jeff earlier, but I just get the

626
00:31:40,947 --> 00:31:42,627
Speaker 3: feeling that there'll be quite a bit of kicking tonight.

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Speaker 3: It just seems like that's the kind of game that

628
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Speaker 3: we are are setting ourselves up for, with the weather

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Speaker 3: being the way that it is, the way that France

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Speaker 3: want to play. I just get the feeling there'll be

631
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Speaker 3: a bit of kicking, a bit of kicking tonight, hopefully

632
00:31:55,787 --> 00:31:58,027
Speaker 3: a bit of running and passing as well. Nineteen away,

633
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Speaker 3: let's take a break. When we come back, Victor Vital

634
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Speaker 3: going to join us on the show.

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Speaker 2: Counting down to all Blacks v.

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Speaker 1: France on your home of Sports Against some weekends Sport

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Speaker 1: Live from ten twenty two in Wellington with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gun The homes New Zealand's most trusted home

639
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Speaker 1: builder News talks'd be call.

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Speaker 4: It to one Victor.

641
00:32:17,627 --> 00:32:20,027
Speaker 3: Victor played thirty three test matches for the All Blacks,

642
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Speaker 3: a double World Cup winner twenty eleven and twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Victor, thanks for joining us on the show.

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Speaker 3: You were one of very few players who started for

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks in all three loose forward positions. So

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Speaker 3: once you get out there, how different are the three

647
00:32:32,547 --> 00:32:34,187
Speaker 3: roles in the heat of the battle?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question.

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Speaker 16: I think the similarities would be that at the end

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Speaker 16: of the day, you've got to bring the physical intensity,

651
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Speaker 16: whether that's with the ball in hand or obviously in

652
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Speaker 16: the defensive line. But the roles themselves in my day anyway,

653
00:32:47,907 --> 00:32:49,067
Speaker 16: was was quite different.

654
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Speaker 2: Six. You were a lot more of the enforcer, the.

655
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Speaker 16: One that was able to stem the flow of their

656
00:32:53,947 --> 00:32:55,627
Speaker 16: opposition forward started getting a roll on.

657
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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you see that six floy out and.

658
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Speaker 16: Level them and basically put us on the front foot

659
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Speaker 16: again and just be their physical presence there and then

660
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Speaker 16: the several would be more of a feature and a

661
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Speaker 16: connector with its connecting link play providing, you know, just

662
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Speaker 16: for that kind of an exp between the backs.

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Speaker 2: Of the board, and then the number eight would be

664
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Speaker 2: a lot more across the line out.

665
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Speaker 16: So I guess we had to agreed as well as

666
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Speaker 16: the fact that they're more responsible to all on hand

667
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Speaker 16: and potentially.

668
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Speaker 2: Helping with backfield cover and launching counter attacks.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, similar roles in terms of the physical presence

670
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Speaker 16: that they need to have on both sides of the board,

671
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Speaker 16: but quite different in terms of what they look to bring.

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Speaker 4: Did you have a preference, victor What was your absolute preference?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 16: I think my absolute preference would have always been number eight.

675
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Speaker 16: I love playing eight with the Canes, but you know,

676
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Speaker 16: as a history would tell obviously, coming through with a

677
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Speaker 16: team like Richie, Kieran and Jerome on the flanks, it

678
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Speaker 16: just made me just slid on wherever I could.

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Speaker 3: So you look at the current squad then, and you

680
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Speaker 3: talked about, you know, the similarities and the differences. Does

681
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Speaker 3: it really matter which number? Artie sa Via Wars he's

682
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Speaker 3: been wearing eight. He's seven tonight and has been for

683
00:34:02,947 --> 00:34:06,067
Speaker 3: more one of PACIFICA. Does it really matter which number

684
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Speaker 3: he is on.

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Speaker 2: I think with the way that they're playing the game now,

686
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Speaker 2: I don't think so, not as much.

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Speaker 16: I think he's going to be able to pretty much

688
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Speaker 16: come under his presence from wherever he is. I mean,

689
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Speaker 16: he's always going to be that seven might give him

690
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Speaker 16: a little bit more of a of an earnest to

691
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Speaker 16: go in there over the ball and try to steal everything,

692
00:34:24,587 --> 00:34:26,547
Speaker 16: but like that's that's what he does anyway, even when

693
00:34:26,547 --> 00:34:29,187
Speaker 16: he's got the eight jersey so and the ball in hand.

694
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Speaker 16: Being a big carrier for the team, that doesn't change,

695
00:34:31,907 --> 00:34:34,387
Speaker 16: you know, you know, to ball, he's obviously a good

696
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Speaker 16: carrier as well. But you'll have a few line our responsibilities,

697
00:34:37,227 --> 00:34:40,867
Speaker 16: whereas Artie and and Christian will probably be taking more

698
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Speaker 16: of the line's shot of the carrying. So it'll be

699
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Speaker 16: just interesting to see how how we hew it pans out.

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Speaker 16: But I'm pretty sure he can do whether it's seven

701
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Speaker 16: or eight. Ardie will just keep leading from the front and.

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Speaker 4: Dig you mentioned too there.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the I guess it's an

704
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Speaker 3: experiment to play him at six and see how he

705
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Speaker 3: goes there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the end of the days. You know,

707
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Speaker 2: it's a freak.

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Speaker 16: So he's able to He's obviously giving us that aerial

709
00:35:03,627 --> 00:35:07,027
Speaker 16: advantage as well with with the Lucy's but you know,

710
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:09,267
Speaker 16: he's he's shown you know, he's scored some some pretty

711
00:35:09,307 --> 00:35:12,747
Speaker 16: good tries with in open spaces. It's just that just

712
00:35:12,827 --> 00:35:15,027
Speaker 16: out of each of the physicality too, because he's got

713
00:35:15,067 --> 00:35:17,747
Speaker 16: it in him, and it's just something that that takes time.

714
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Speaker 16: You know, when I taught to Jerome as well, it

715
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Speaker 16: took him a bit of time to find because footing

716
00:35:22,187 --> 00:35:24,827
Speaker 16: with their physical presence and even myself was the exact

717
00:35:24,867 --> 00:35:27,787
Speaker 16: same thing. So it's at some stage you just got

718
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Speaker 16: to give someone the time to grow into that role.

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Speaker 16: And because that's something that you know, any all black team,

720
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Speaker 16: Lose Forward Trio or even the Ford Peak will always

721
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Speaker 16: needs as their physical dominance. And that's definitely something that

722
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Speaker 16: we're obviously just the working how.

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Speaker 4: Do you develop it or how do you how do

724
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Speaker 4: you work on on physicality?

725
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Speaker 16: Look, obviously it's just not so much time in the gym,

726
00:35:51,587 --> 00:35:53,867
Speaker 16: but just time on the track and just confidence with

727
00:35:53,947 --> 00:35:57,707
Speaker 16: the guys in and around you. It's a real understanding

728
00:35:57,787 --> 00:36:00,147
Speaker 16: of your role. It's it's a whole bunch of stuff,

729
00:36:00,187 --> 00:36:03,307
Speaker 16: But most of it is just maturity really. You know,

730
00:36:03,347 --> 00:36:05,547
Speaker 16: when you're in your twenties, you can, you know, get tough,

731
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Speaker 16: and then you come and come across a farmer and

732
00:36:08,067 --> 00:36:09,747
Speaker 16: you find that you're not so tough anymore, you know.

733
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Speaker 16: So it's just the maturity of being in there long

734
00:36:14,267 --> 00:36:16,267
Speaker 16: enough to be able to cut your teeth and know

735
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Speaker 16: where you can and where you should be.

736
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, at the right time.

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00:36:19,787 --> 00:36:22,947
Speaker 3: What have you made of Duplaski's season, which has led

738
00:36:22,947 --> 00:36:24,227
Speaker 3: to his All Blacks call up.

739
00:36:25,507 --> 00:36:27,707
Speaker 16: Oh look, he's been knocking on the door for a

740
00:36:27,827 --> 00:36:30,747
Speaker 16: long long time, and so to actually see him finally

741
00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:34,227
Speaker 16: gets rewarded with the knod look, it's pretty amazing. He

742
00:36:34,307 --> 00:36:37,707
Speaker 16: fully deserves it, and he's just the absolute example of

743
00:36:38,387 --> 00:36:41,427
Speaker 16: hustle and if it and not just that. But obviously

744
00:36:41,427 --> 00:36:44,667
Speaker 16: he's worked on his ball handling as well as his

745
00:36:44,787 --> 00:36:46,827
Speaker 16: actual carry game as well, which has been really good

746
00:36:46,867 --> 00:36:48,787
Speaker 16: to see, especially this season, which is of what I

747
00:36:48,867 --> 00:36:51,227
Speaker 16: think has led to the knot because he's always a

748
00:36:51,267 --> 00:36:53,987
Speaker 16: defensive threat, but now he's actually with the ball in hand,

749
00:36:54,027 --> 00:36:56,987
Speaker 16: he's been making breaks, putting away little link passes to

750
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Speaker 16: put other guys into space. I think that's the bit

751
00:36:59,627 --> 00:37:01,787
Speaker 16: of his game that's really made a difference, and I

752
00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:03,867
Speaker 16: really hope that he comes off the bench early. You know,

753
00:37:04,187 --> 00:37:06,867
Speaker 16: if the if the starting guys can sider good, Foreman

754
00:37:07,467 --> 00:37:09,387
Speaker 16: really just get his first test under his belt.

755
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Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time at the back end

756
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Speaker 3: of your career playing in France, so presumably the competitiveness

757
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Speaker 3: of what was meant to be an under strength French

758
00:37:18,187 --> 00:37:20,307
Speaker 3: side last weekend didn't surprise you too much.

759
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Speaker 16: No, it didn't really surprise me because I know how

760
00:37:25,067 --> 00:37:26,827
Speaker 16: how much respect that this team has to us, and

761
00:37:26,867 --> 00:37:28,747
Speaker 16: I think that's probably the bit that sort of set

762
00:37:28,827 --> 00:37:31,067
Speaker 16: us a little bit wrong, is that we probably disrespected

763
00:37:31,107 --> 00:37:32,747
Speaker 16: them a little bit as well, with the fact that

764
00:37:33,507 --> 00:37:35,347
Speaker 16: you know this thinking that this team they're just sending

765
00:37:35,347 --> 00:37:37,627
Speaker 16: an academy team over or whatever it is. But you

766
00:37:37,707 --> 00:37:39,987
Speaker 16: know they you know, they look forward to any game

767
00:37:40,147 --> 00:37:41,627
Speaker 16: against the All Blacks, and you can see that with

768
00:37:41,707 --> 00:37:43,587
Speaker 16: thespey that they've got over there. You know, if anyone

769
00:37:43,667 --> 00:37:45,587
Speaker 16: goes over to France and you see how they welcome us,

770
00:37:46,067 --> 00:37:48,707
Speaker 16: it's it's crazy. You know, they really do hold this

771
00:37:48,787 --> 00:37:50,347
Speaker 16: game in high stock, and it's the same for these

772
00:37:50,387 --> 00:37:50,987
Speaker 16: young guys too.

773
00:37:51,107 --> 00:37:53,307
Speaker 2: And they're out there to make a name for themselves too.

774
00:37:53,387 --> 00:37:55,587
Speaker 16: They very much know that this is their chance to

775
00:37:55,667 --> 00:37:58,147
Speaker 16: go against the world's best with a World Cup in

776
00:37:58,187 --> 00:37:58,827
Speaker 16: two years time.

777
00:37:58,947 --> 00:38:00,107
Speaker 2: They're not taking this slightly.

778
00:38:00,227 --> 00:38:02,427
Speaker 16: This is pretty much their chance to not only make

779
00:38:02,467 --> 00:38:05,427
Speaker 16: a name for themselves but then also hopefully get a

780
00:38:05,467 --> 00:38:08,667
Speaker 16: few more tests and for Faban Gotti makes that team

781
00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:09,947
Speaker 16: announcement in a couple of years time.

782
00:38:10,467 --> 00:38:13,347
Speaker 3: And just back to your time in the Black Jersey, Victor,

783
00:38:13,547 --> 00:38:16,787
Speaker 3: you know you mentioned Richie McCaw, Karen Reed, Jerome kindor

784
00:38:16,867 --> 00:38:18,467
Speaker 3: there you played for the All Blacks in the time

785
00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:21,507
Speaker 3: of amazing loose forward depth with those guys and Thompson,

786
00:38:21,587 --> 00:38:23,867
Speaker 3: Sam Kaineley and mess A and others. What was it

787
00:38:23,987 --> 00:38:25,827
Speaker 3: like inside the All Blacks at that time with so

788
00:38:25,987 --> 00:38:28,307
Speaker 3: much competition for those loose forward spots.

789
00:38:29,747 --> 00:38:30,267
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

790
00:38:30,347 --> 00:38:34,347
Speaker 16: It was obviously hard to get a starting jersey, but

791
00:38:35,427 --> 00:38:37,547
Speaker 16: to the same token, it was probably if you're a

792
00:38:37,627 --> 00:38:39,987
Speaker 16: loose forward anywhere in the world, it was as especially

793
00:38:40,027 --> 00:38:42,227
Speaker 16: as a young boy coming through, there wasn't a better

794
00:38:42,267 --> 00:38:44,907
Speaker 16: place to learn. You know, you had three guys in

795
00:38:45,067 --> 00:38:47,707
Speaker 16: Jerome that you know that you mentioned in Jerome, Garrion

796
00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:50,987
Speaker 16: and Richie that were at absolute top of their games

797
00:38:51,027 --> 00:38:53,587
Speaker 16: all at the same time. And it's just been around that,

798
00:38:53,747 --> 00:38:56,147
Speaker 16: especially with even Liam who bought a lot of their physicality,

799
00:38:56,227 --> 00:39:00,187
Speaker 16: Sammy Kaine, tom O, you know, even with his lineout progress.

800
00:39:00,267 --> 00:39:02,267
Speaker 16: All these different guys that were literally at the top

801
00:39:02,387 --> 00:39:04,907
Speaker 16: of it, you know, absolute top of their games. I

802
00:39:04,987 --> 00:39:07,467
Speaker 16: think I definitely took a lot of learnings, you know,

803
00:39:07,547 --> 00:39:09,667
Speaker 16: for Rito and the way he likes to read a

804
00:39:09,707 --> 00:39:12,907
Speaker 16: line out and how he sees potential defensive openings for

805
00:39:12,987 --> 00:39:13,787
Speaker 16: him to run his lines.

806
00:39:13,787 --> 00:39:15,147
Speaker 2: He always used to run great lines.

807
00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:17,387
Speaker 16: And then Richie the way he used to approach the

808
00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:21,147
Speaker 16: breakdown and then obviously provide his look play. And then

809
00:39:21,187 --> 00:39:23,347
Speaker 16: there's Jerome just the way he sort of just assessed

810
00:39:23,387 --> 00:39:25,347
Speaker 16: something or just would know when to read that. So

811
00:39:25,427 --> 00:39:29,987
Speaker 16: they needed to happen defensively to turn the tide. It

812
00:39:30,147 --> 00:39:31,467
Speaker 16: was a great place to be a loose forward and

813
00:39:31,507 --> 00:39:32,987
Speaker 16: a great place to learn, and I think there was

814
00:39:33,027 --> 00:39:34,747
Speaker 16: something that was really awesome and the fact that we

815
00:39:34,827 --> 00:39:37,907
Speaker 16: could be one hundred percent competitive, knowing that we all

816
00:39:37,947 --> 00:39:40,747
Speaker 16: wanted that starting Jersey, but in the end knowing that

817
00:39:41,507 --> 00:39:43,227
Speaker 16: we were there to cooperate, and you know, so if

818
00:39:43,267 --> 00:39:45,307
Speaker 16: I'm sitting at the computers, will there'll be care in

819
00:39:45,307 --> 00:39:48,027
Speaker 16: there saying, oh, look look at these lineup. This is

820
00:39:48,107 --> 00:39:49,867
Speaker 16: how I look at it. And then it'll be Richie

821
00:39:49,907 --> 00:39:52,147
Speaker 16: doing the same, Jerome doing the same. It's just everyone

822
00:39:52,227 --> 00:39:54,747
Speaker 16: wanting to better each other. I think that's that was

823
00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:56,627
Speaker 16: a massive part of our success and it wasn't just

824
00:39:56,667 --> 00:39:57,307
Speaker 16: a loose towards.

825
00:39:57,387 --> 00:39:59,427
Speaker 2: Everyone was doing that. So great time to be a

826
00:39:59,467 --> 00:40:01,027
Speaker 2: part of insid rugby.

827
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Speaker 3: Indeed a golden perid that you were part of. To

828
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time this afternoon, mate, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Cheers finding cheers mate, Thank you mate.

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Speaker 3: That is Victor, Victor joining us on Weekend Sport text

831
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Speaker 3: and from Upper Hut Sun's own and Uperhart piney in

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Speaker 3: Carpani says Peter high overcast rain stopped around eleven, no

833
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Speaker 3: wind where they're coming from this direction, so should improve.

834
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Speaker 4: In Wellington by kickoff tonight. Thank you, Peter.

835
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Speaker 3: Seven away from one News talk to he'd be broadcasting

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Speaker 3: live from Shed twenty two this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks Fee France Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and TJ.

839
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Speaker 1: Gardner Holmes New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your

840
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Speaker 1: home of Sport News Talk Sevy.

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Speaker 3: Far Away from one more. After one o'clock, we're going

842
00:40:47,147 --> 00:40:49,547
Speaker 3: to flick our attention across to Formula one with Christian

843
00:40:49,587 --> 00:40:52,747
Speaker 3: Horner being relieved of his duties this week as team

844
00:40:52,787 --> 00:40:55,227
Speaker 3: principal for Red Bull Racing. What does this mean for

845
00:40:55,267 --> 00:40:58,867
Speaker 3: Liam Wwson of course inside that stable and was this unexpected?

846
00:40:59,027 --> 00:41:02,027
Speaker 3: Was it a surprise or was it just a byproduct

847
00:41:02,067 --> 00:41:05,427
Speaker 3: of the rather ordinary season that Red Bull have been having,

848
00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:07,587
Speaker 3: even max for staff and finding it hard to drive

849
00:41:08,107 --> 00:41:11,707
Speaker 3: fast in those cars. Barry Tomlinson After one Dane Coles

850
00:41:11,827 --> 00:41:13,867
Speaker 3: is going to pop in for a chat. Look forward

851
00:41:13,907 --> 00:41:16,747
Speaker 3: to catching up with an All Blacks legend Dane Coles

852
00:41:16,987 --> 00:41:19,147
Speaker 3: and Adam Peacock out of Australia as well. If you're

853
00:41:19,147 --> 00:41:21,107
Speaker 3: going to pop down to Shed twenty two and say

854
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Speaker 3: good eight, we're here till three on Tartanucky Street.

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Speaker 4: Warf back after.

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Speaker 1: One, bringing you the build up the battle a levant

857
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Speaker 1: as we count down to All Blacks v.

858
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Speaker 4: Fronts and a new era of All Black rugby.

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Speaker 8: It's underway.

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Speaker 2: Lay to Lay, It's weekend Sports.

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Speaker 1: We're Jason time Low from Shed twenty two and Wellington

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Speaker 1: on your home of Sport.

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Speaker 4: U Stalk said, be here, Welcome to the show. Welcome

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Speaker 4: back to the show. As the case may be. One

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Speaker 4: O seven. I'm Jason Pine.

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Speaker 3: This is Weekend Sport Live at Shed twenty two on

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Speaker 3: Tartanucky Street Wharf in downtown Ollington. As punters sort of

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Speaker 3: get themselves ready for kickoff which is now just on

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Speaker 3: six hours away. That's the All Blacks France game. Of course,

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Speaker 3: many of these punters will be heading down for the

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Speaker 3: early game as well. Double header international double header at

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Speaker 3: Sky Stadium today as the Black Ferns meet the Wallaroos.

873
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Speaker 3: It's the Australian women's side in the O'Reilly Cup match

874
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Speaker 3: at four point thirty this afternoon. So good to have

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Speaker 3: a double header in Wellington. Weather weather, it's changeable, shall

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Speaker 3: we say. I had a look at the forecast, and

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Speaker 3: again it's only the forecast, they're only really just having

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Speaker 3: a guess sometimes. But there's no rain forecast after about

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Speaker 3: four o'clock this afternoon, so if that holds true then

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Speaker 3: we should have at least dry conditions for the spectators

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Speaker 3: for both games. Northerly set of the around twenty to

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Speaker 3: twenty two kilometers an hour, as you'll know from sky Stadium,

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Speaker 3: though it tends to swirl around in there.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't actually matter what the official wind direction is.

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Speaker 3: It can it can swirl, and often you see the

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Speaker 3: corner flags going in different directions or tow wise. Twelfth

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Speaker 3: thirteen degrees very not cold, not cold, no roof and

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Speaker 3: Wellington of course, but yeah, not cold at all. Just

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Speaker 3: what are they saying on the met Service forecast? They

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Speaker 3: normally recommend a number of layers. What are they saying

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Speaker 3: three layers? They're suggesting three layers? Leaguer, not got to

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00:43:23,907 --> 00:43:27,267
Speaker 3: be too bad. More Rugby this hour when Dane Cole's

893
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Speaker 3: pobson for a chat around half past one, looking forward

894
00:43:30,227 --> 00:43:33,307
Speaker 3: to chatting to one of our iconic All Blacks hookers,

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Speaker 3: in fact, a man who really redefines what the hooking

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Speaker 3: role was all about when he came into the All Blacks,

897
00:43:39,827 --> 00:43:44,747
Speaker 3: debuted in twenty twelve, played right through until twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: went to three World Cups twenty fifteen, nineteen and twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three ninety test matches. Dane Cole's with us this hour.

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Speaker 3: A couple of texts to get through before we move

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Speaker 3: on to motor racing. The Roaming Giant.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned the Roaming Giants. That's where we are next weekend.

903
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Speaker 3: Somebody in their extreme wisdom here at News Talks here

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Speaker 3: to Be is decided we'll do Saturday shows on Test

905
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Speaker 3: Match Saturdays from a fine establishment in the city that

906
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Speaker 3: we're in. So the Roaming Giant is in Hamilton. That's

907
00:44:15,267 --> 00:44:18,147
Speaker 3: next weekend, Nigel says on text, Roaming Giant. That's what

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Speaker 3: we need at Winger for the all Blacks, two of them.

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Speaker 3: Very good, Yes, very good. Indeed, Oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is our phone number nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: two for your text messages into the show. Just want

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Speaker 3: to hear from David a fine and lower hearts.

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Speaker 4: I no, it's raining. I no, it's fine. Again, thanks Dave.

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Speaker 4: I think we get the idea from you.

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Speaker 3: At ten past one, Christian Horner has been dismissed as

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Speaker 3: Red Bull team principal in Formula One. The fifty one

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Speaker 3: year old's been in the role since two thousand and five,

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Speaker 3: overseeing eight drivers World championships and six constructors' titles, but

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Speaker 3: they have struggled this season. Full time defending world champion

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Speaker 3: Max for Stappan has won just two of twelve races

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Speaker 3: and the syndicate sits fourth on the team's ladder. Laurent

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Speaker 3: Meckeys has been appointed chief executive in his place. Let's

923
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Speaker 3: get some insight into what is behind this, what it

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Speaker 3: might mean moving forward, in particular for Liam Lawson, of course,

925
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Speaker 3: who was part of the Red Bull stable, founder of

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Speaker 3: the Toyota Racing series, which many of our top drivers

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Speaker 3: raced in, including Liam Lawson and Astute Motorsport analyst Barry

928
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Speaker 3: Tomlinson is with us on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 4: Barry, thanks for taking the time. Did this come as

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Speaker 4: a surprise when you heard this news?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's surprised everybody. Finally, you know, came

932
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Speaker 10: out of the blue, I guess, but you know, it's

933
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Speaker 10: been bubbling away for quite some while from you know

934
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Speaker 10: what the most of the pundits are saying. And you know,

935
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Speaker 10: I think it goes way back to probably a couple

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Speaker 10: of years ago when Adrian new he left the team

937
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Speaker 10: under circumstances that probably weren't so pleasant. I mean, Adrian was,

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Speaker 10: you know, is probably the best f one designer of

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Speaker 10: the world we've ever seen, and you know, he walked

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Speaker 10: out the door and was followed by Rob Marshall, who

941
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Speaker 10: you know became chief designer at McLaren if one and

942
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Speaker 10: we see the success of that car and that team.

943
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Speaker 10: Now Jonathan Wheatley has gone to Audi. He was a

944
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Speaker 10: TM you know at red Ball, and a lot of

945
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Speaker 10: other senior stuff that probably aren't so public, but have

946
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Speaker 10: also left. And you know, I think the team, you know,

947
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Speaker 10: has probably you know, struggled to rebuild from that. Christian

948
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Speaker 10: downplayed Adrian's sort of departure from the team, you know,

949
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Speaker 10: which was probably a mistake, but you know, in the end,

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Speaker 10: you know, I think Adrian, you know, people knew that

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Speaker 10: Adrian was was was you know, a very very valuable

952
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Speaker 10: member of the team, and when he walked, you know,

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Speaker 10: it was probably not a good scene.

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Speaker 3: So was this a case of some big personality, some

955
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Speaker 3: big egos dare I say in Formula one just clashing?

956
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Speaker 3: What actually happened between Christian Horner and the likes of

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Speaker 3: Adrian Newey and the others who left the who left

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Speaker 3: the team?

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Speaker 10: Well, well, you know, I'm not I don't have any

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Speaker 10: personal insight into it, but you know, I believe that

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Speaker 10: you know, Adrian, you know, there was a bit of

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Speaker 10: a cloud around this, you know, allegation by an employer,

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Speaker 10: a female employee against Christian, and I think probably that

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Speaker 10: was you know, the nail and the coffin for Adrian.

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Speaker 10: He didn't, you know, for whatever reason, none of us know,

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Speaker 10: you know, he decided he leave the team. And but look,

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Speaker 10: you know, probably ones full of huge personalities, you know,

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Speaker 10: the team, the guys that run the team's you know,

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Speaker 10: the designers, the Herodonamesis, the drivers, full of egos and

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Speaker 10: you know, I believe Christian has done an amazing job

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Speaker 10: for twenty years to mold all of those egos into

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Speaker 10: a team that has you know, been one of the

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Speaker 10: most successful form lines I've ever seen. And you know,

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Speaker 10: so he did a fantastic job for a long time.

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Speaker 10: But you know, I guess, you know, you go to

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Speaker 10: the top and eventually there's only a couple of ways down,

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Speaker 10: and Christian and found the hard way down and being

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Speaker 10: relieved of his duty.

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Speaker 3: I guess in any sport though, barrye twenty years in

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Speaker 3: charge of any sporting team, any sporting franchise, any sporting organization,

981
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Speaker 3: that's a that's a heck of a long time. A

982
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Speaker 3: lot changes in two decades had had his time there

983
00:48:22,747 --> 00:48:24,107
Speaker 3: just run its course.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you know in the end that that's

985
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Speaker 10: what's happened. I mean, the loss of some Dietrich Matchets,

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Speaker 10: you know, who obviously was a founder of Red Bull

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Speaker 10: and you know funded the Red Bull Racing team along

988
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Speaker 10: with everything else they did, you know, his loss, you know,

989
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Speaker 10: that seemed to sort of tie into the you know,

990
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Speaker 10: the down down for really you know, with you know,

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Speaker 10: he had gone, and then you know the helmet Marco

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Speaker 10: and Christian kind of took over the team running it,

993
00:48:52,907 --> 00:48:55,067
Speaker 10: you know, and then I don't know, the duties might

994
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Speaker 10: have been a little bit you know, you know, clashing,

995
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Speaker 10: you know there.

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Speaker 7: We really don't know.

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00:49:00,627 --> 00:49:02,427
Speaker 10: But then of course you've got the factor of Maxis

998
00:49:02,427 --> 00:49:05,107
Speaker 10: staff and you know, probably one of the greatest e

999
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Speaker 10: F one drivers in the world is a scene, if

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Speaker 10: you know, not the greatest, certainly modern day, and you know,

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Speaker 10: his team, his father and his management behind the scenes.

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Speaker 10: You know, there's been a lot going on there and

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Speaker 10: for whatever reason, you know, the father of Josseph Staffan,

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Speaker 10: Max's father has been pretty vocal you know, against Christian

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Speaker 10: as well. So Mark, the son of Dietrich, has taken

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Speaker 10: over the operation, and I guess you know, it's also

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Speaker 10: probably not well known, but Red Bull is also fifty

1008
00:49:39,307 --> 00:49:44,107
Speaker 10: mon percent owned by a Thai gentleman and apparently certainly

1009
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Speaker 10: the Thai chap was a supporter of Christian for all

1010
00:49:47,667 --> 00:49:50,987
Speaker 10: these years, but maybe lost you know, Christian lost his

1011
00:49:51,107 --> 00:49:53,107
Speaker 10: support in the end, and then it was always one

1012
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Speaker 10: way down.

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00:49:53,747 --> 00:49:59,107
Speaker 3: So there's always talk that or there has been talk

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00:49:59,107 --> 00:50:01,907
Speaker 3: about Max withstaffen leaving Red Bull.

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00:50:03,387 --> 00:50:06,147
Speaker 4: With the change of ownership, is he more likely to stay.

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00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:10,147
Speaker 10: Well, you know, that's a big question and everybody's trying

1017
00:50:10,187 --> 00:50:12,667
Speaker 10: to answer that one. At the moment, only Maxims management

1018
00:50:12,747 --> 00:50:14,827
Speaker 10: and I guess the people inside Red Bull know what's

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00:50:14,867 --> 00:50:17,147
Speaker 10: going on in terms of whether he's going to going

1020
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Speaker 10: to remain with the team. But you know, for sure

1021
00:50:19,307 --> 00:50:22,227
Speaker 10: Mercedes have been courting him, and they've been courting him

1022
00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:25,507
Speaker 10: for a while. They have the might and the power

1023
00:50:25,547 --> 00:50:28,267
Speaker 10: and the money to be able to take the staff

1024
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Speaker 10: into the longer term contract that probably he's looking for

1025
00:50:32,707 --> 00:50:36,467
Speaker 10: next year, new rules, new engine, new car. You know,

1026
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Speaker 10: there's a lot of debate as to whether you know,

1027
00:50:40,027 --> 00:50:43,627
Speaker 10: who's going to have the best car package, caring engine package,

1028
00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:46,067
Speaker 10: and I think the Seeds seemed to have favor there,

1029
00:50:46,187 --> 00:50:48,707
Speaker 10: and of course Red Bill also, you know they lost

1030
00:50:48,787 --> 00:50:53,707
Speaker 10: Honda for their engine supply in shows, which was a

1031
00:50:53,787 --> 00:50:56,587
Speaker 10: Christian kind of decision. I believe that, you know, they'd

1032
00:50:56,627 --> 00:50:59,187
Speaker 10: set up their own engine shops, so they're building their

1033
00:50:59,227 --> 00:51:03,187
Speaker 10: own engine in conjunction with Ford Motor Company, and you know,

1034
00:51:03,307 --> 00:51:05,707
Speaker 10: there's probably some debate about whether that is going to

1035
00:51:05,747 --> 00:51:08,587
Speaker 10: be a competitive of units straight off the bat too.

1036
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,867
Speaker 3: How important is the constructor's title because we always hear

1037
00:51:12,907 --> 00:51:15,667
Speaker 3: a lot about you know, who the world drivers champion is,

1038
00:51:15,707 --> 00:51:17,347
Speaker 3: and we know expos happens one the last.

1039
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Speaker 4: Four How important two teams? Barry? Is the constructor's title.

1040
00:51:24,267 --> 00:51:27,307
Speaker 10: For a team that's the most important thing. Almost the

1041
00:51:27,427 --> 00:51:30,747
Speaker 10: driver's championship is second. And you know they get paid

1042
00:51:30,787 --> 00:51:34,827
Speaker 10: on team results, on points, and you know it's worth

1043
00:51:34,867 --> 00:51:37,787
Speaker 10: a lot of money. And of course not only do

1044
00:51:37,907 --> 00:51:41,867
Speaker 10: the teams get the you know, the prize money if

1045
00:51:41,907 --> 00:51:44,827
Speaker 10: you like, but then that filters down through their employees

1046
00:51:44,907 --> 00:51:47,387
Speaker 10: and the people at Red Bull, all of the staff

1047
00:51:47,587 --> 00:51:50,427
Speaker 10: over a thousand people, they'd all have a bonus every

1048
00:51:50,547 --> 00:51:53,067
Speaker 10: year are based on what they would you know, the

1049
00:51:53,147 --> 00:51:57,027
Speaker 10: points that they would score. And so team team championship

1050
00:51:57,147 --> 00:52:00,067
Speaker 10: is everything in terms of their funding and of course

1051
00:52:00,147 --> 00:52:03,187
Speaker 10: then drivers is obviously something that they all love to

1052
00:52:03,267 --> 00:52:05,787
Speaker 10: have too, and but it's you know, the driver. It's

1053
00:52:05,787 --> 00:52:08,467
Speaker 10: a very end of thing too, you know, through selfish

1054
00:52:08,507 --> 00:52:10,387
Speaker 10: party of the whole sport.

1055
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

1056
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Liam Lawson, we know he's in the Red Bull

1057
00:52:13,627 --> 00:52:15,427
Speaker 3: stable racing Balls.

1058
00:52:16,147 --> 00:52:18,827
Speaker 4: Will this have any impact on him, Barry.

1059
00:52:20,227 --> 00:52:22,307
Speaker 10: Look, I'm sure it's you know, it had an impact

1060
00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:24,747
Speaker 10: on Liam right. You know, obviously we all know at

1061
00:52:24,787 --> 00:52:28,107
Speaker 10: the start of this year when he was placed in

1062
00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 10: the Red Bull car alongside Maxim and given two races

1063
00:52:32,267 --> 00:52:34,427
Speaker 10: to perform, and actually, you know that was just quite

1064
00:52:34,507 --> 00:52:37,547
Speaker 10: ridiculous in the end to think that, you know, he

1065
00:52:37,667 --> 00:52:40,467
Speaker 10: only had that amount of time. And I think that's

1066
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Speaker 10: also part of the whole scenario that's gone on with

1067
00:52:43,667 --> 00:52:45,867
Speaker 10: the downfall of Christian because you know, in the end,

1068
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Speaker 10: Christian would have been involved in making decisions around who

1069
00:52:49,187 --> 00:52:51,427
Speaker 10: that were going to put in the second car. Obviously

1070
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Speaker 10: chose to put Liam in the car, along with others

1071
00:52:54,427 --> 00:52:56,827
Speaker 10: that would make that decision. And you know, so it's

1072
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Speaker 10: had an impact on Liam and now he's had to

1073
00:52:58,787 --> 00:53:01,107
Speaker 10: reinvent his career back at Racing Balls and we can

1074
00:53:01,147 --> 00:53:03,827
Speaker 10: see that he's you know, he really is starting to

1075
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Speaker 10: find his confidence. Had a good result in Austria, a

1076
00:53:06,907 --> 00:53:10,987
Speaker 10: core result in Silverstone, not his own making, I guess,

1077
00:53:11,387 --> 00:53:14,307
Speaker 10: you know, the first laugh accident. So Liam now really

1078
00:53:14,427 --> 00:53:16,907
Speaker 10: has to just get his head down, keep his head

1079
00:53:16,987 --> 00:53:20,547
Speaker 10: down and get results in the end. It's a results,

1080
00:53:21,067 --> 00:53:25,507
Speaker 10: results based championship and you know, so he really just

1081
00:53:25,587 --> 00:53:28,227
Speaker 10: has to concentrate on his role as a racing driver

1082
00:53:28,427 --> 00:53:29,227
Speaker 10: at racing balls.

1083
00:53:30,067 --> 00:53:32,307
Speaker 3: Just back to Max Forstappen and you'll be able to

1084
00:53:32,347 --> 00:53:33,827
Speaker 3: fill in the gaps for a sere Barry. But it

1085
00:53:33,867 --> 00:53:36,947
Speaker 3: seems to me as though he's driving a difficult car,

1086
00:53:37,147 --> 00:53:39,627
Speaker 3: a very difficult car, because he is, as you said,

1087
00:53:40,627 --> 00:53:43,067
Speaker 3: a Formula one genius, one of the best we've ever seen.

1088
00:53:44,067 --> 00:53:47,547
Speaker 4: Can can anybody fill that number two seat effectively?

1089
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:52,467
Speaker 10: Look at again? A great debate and you know they

1090
00:53:52,547 --> 00:53:56,107
Speaker 10: obviously Carez was there for a number of years, you know,

1091
00:53:56,267 --> 00:54:00,667
Speaker 10: started to struggle in the car alongside Max, and you

1092
00:54:00,747 --> 00:54:03,267
Speaker 10: know there was debate about whether it was you know,

1093
00:54:03,707 --> 00:54:07,027
Speaker 10: Perez losing his confidence as you know, as a driver

1094
00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:09,627
Speaker 10: and getting a little older and a little bit maybe

1095
00:54:09,707 --> 00:54:13,227
Speaker 10: bored or whatever it was. But you know, can someone

1096
00:54:13,307 --> 00:54:16,187
Speaker 10: compete against Max. Well, it's it's a big call. And

1097
00:54:16,947 --> 00:54:19,427
Speaker 10: you know, the car has obviously been developed for him,

1098
00:54:19,707 --> 00:54:22,907
Speaker 10: it's gone down a path for his driving style and

1099
00:54:23,027 --> 00:54:26,227
Speaker 10: that doesn't suit a lot of guys. You know, it's

1100
00:54:26,267 --> 00:54:28,507
Speaker 10: pretty evident that, you know, a lot of people have

1101
00:54:28,627 --> 00:54:31,067
Speaker 10: to try and adapt. And now you see Sonoda just

1102
00:54:31,107 --> 00:54:34,187
Speaker 10: struggling like anything you know to even understand. And I

1103
00:54:34,267 --> 00:54:36,787
Speaker 10: mean Sonoda is a quality racing driver thing around him,

1104
00:54:36,827 --> 00:54:40,307
Speaker 10: former one for four plus years, but he's struggling really

1105
00:54:40,347 --> 00:54:42,947
Speaker 10: badly with that car. And yeah, a look, big question

1106
00:54:43,067 --> 00:54:45,587
Speaker 10: marks finding on all of that. And you know, but

1107
00:54:45,747 --> 00:54:48,707
Speaker 10: that's you know, were all Max go, that's the question

1108
00:54:48,867 --> 00:54:51,267
Speaker 10: what will he do? And time to tell?

1109
00:54:52,387 --> 00:54:52,907
Speaker 4: Just to finish?

1110
00:54:52,987 --> 00:54:55,587
Speaker 3: Then is there any set of circumstances under which we

1111
00:54:55,707 --> 00:54:58,547
Speaker 3: might see Liam back in the Red Bull car? If

1112
00:54:58,627 --> 00:55:01,707
Speaker 3: Max stays or if Max goes, could, could or would

1113
00:55:02,387 --> 00:55:04,147
Speaker 3: Liam want to drive the Red Bull again?

1114
00:55:05,307 --> 00:55:05,867
Speaker 7: Absolutely?

1115
00:55:06,067 --> 00:55:08,467
Speaker 10: And the way he will get back to Red Bull

1116
00:55:08,867 --> 00:55:12,707
Speaker 10: it will be to a most importantly beat his teammate.

1117
00:55:13,107 --> 00:55:16,027
Speaker 10: And he's got a very very strong teammate and Hadjar

1118
00:55:16,387 --> 00:55:19,587
Speaker 10: and I think we'll see that hadgo and many's I

1119
00:55:19,667 --> 00:55:24,267
Speaker 10: think top shelf a very very accomplished driver doing an

1120
00:55:24,307 --> 00:55:26,507
Speaker 10: amazing job, and Liam's got a big job to kind

1121
00:55:26,547 --> 00:55:29,827
Speaker 10: of beat him. He will need to consistently show that

1122
00:55:29,947 --> 00:55:36,227
Speaker 10: he is faster, more consistent than Isaac. And you know,

1123
00:55:36,427 --> 00:55:38,387
Speaker 10: if he can do that right through to the end

1124
00:55:38,427 --> 00:55:41,067
Speaker 10: of the season, then he's definitely in with a chance

1125
00:55:41,107 --> 00:55:43,907
Speaker 10: of getting back to Red Bull. And you know, again

1126
00:55:43,987 --> 00:55:46,267
Speaker 10: came will tell. But the main thing for Liam how

1127
00:55:46,627 --> 00:55:49,107
Speaker 10: he really wants to secure a seat and racing balls

1128
00:55:49,227 --> 00:55:52,587
Speaker 10: next year. Concentrate on that and then what will be

1129
00:55:52,747 --> 00:55:55,267
Speaker 10: from there will be and I think that needs to.

1130
00:55:55,307 --> 00:55:55,867
Speaker 12: Be his goal.

1131
00:55:57,547 --> 00:55:59,667
Speaker 3: Very great to get your insight and your expertise I've

1132
00:55:59,747 --> 00:56:01,627
Speaker 3: learned Hates. Thanks much for joining us this afternoon.

1133
00:56:01,707 --> 00:56:04,987
Speaker 4: I really appreciate your time, my pleasure, mate, and go

1134
00:56:05,067 --> 00:56:05,667
Speaker 4: the all black one.

1135
00:56:05,867 --> 00:56:08,547
Speaker 3: Go the v's indeed, Barry good Man, Barry Tomlinson, their

1136
00:56:08,987 --> 00:56:11,467
Speaker 3: founder of the Toyota Racing Series. As you can hear,

1137
00:56:11,547 --> 00:56:14,947
Speaker 3: they're a very astute motorsport analyst. Great to get his

1138
00:56:15,467 --> 00:56:18,107
Speaker 3: views on what's going to happen at Red Bull. With

1139
00:56:18,507 --> 00:56:23,707
Speaker 3: Christian Horner departing, the next Formula One weekend actually is

1140
00:56:23,787 --> 00:56:26,707
Speaker 3: in Belgium July twenty five through twenty seven, so a

1141
00:56:26,747 --> 00:56:29,667
Speaker 3: couple of weeks away before we have Formula one to

1142
00:56:29,747 --> 00:56:31,187
Speaker 3: look forward to again.

1143
00:56:31,467 --> 00:56:32,307
Speaker 4: News Talks, HEEDB and.

1144
00:56:32,307 --> 00:56:34,467
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport coming to your live from Shed twenty two

1145
00:56:34,827 --> 00:56:37,987
Speaker 3: and Downtown Wellington. Ahead of this doubleheader Black Ferns against

1146
00:56:37,987 --> 00:56:41,147
Speaker 3: Australia four thirty then All Blacks France at seven oh

1147
00:56:41,347 --> 00:56:45,747
Speaker 3: five tonight. We'll take a break because when we come back,

1148
00:56:45,947 --> 00:56:48,387
Speaker 3: joined by one of our great All Blacks front rowers

1149
00:56:48,547 --> 00:56:51,067
Speaker 3: ninety test All Black Dame Coles is with us right

1150
00:56:51,107 --> 00:56:52,467
Speaker 3: after this On Weekend Sport.

1151
00:56:54,027 --> 00:56:57,187
Speaker 1: Week Live from Shed twenty two and Wellington, It's Weekend

1152
00:56:57,347 --> 00:56:59,507
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Finn and GJ.

1153
00:56:59,667 --> 00:56:59,987
Speaker 8: Gunner.

1154
00:57:00,067 --> 00:57:03,587
Speaker 1: Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks, EDB.

1155
00:57:04,187 --> 00:57:06,907
Speaker 3: News Talks, Heed B and Weekend Sport on Test Match

1156
00:57:06,907 --> 00:57:09,547
Speaker 3: Saturday one twenty five, coming to your Live from Sheard

1157
00:57:09,587 --> 00:57:13,027
Speaker 3: twenty two on Wellington's Waterfront. It is amazing who you

1158
00:57:13,147 --> 00:57:17,907
Speaker 3: bump into on Test Match Saturday in downtown Wellington. Ninety

1159
00:57:17,987 --> 00:57:20,027
Speaker 3: tests for the All Blacks between twenty twelve and twenty

1160
00:57:20,107 --> 00:57:22,907
Speaker 3: twenty three. World Cup one of twenty fifteen twenty three

1161
00:57:23,067 --> 00:57:25,267
Speaker 3: tries the most buy a front runner in All Blacks

1162
00:57:25,347 --> 00:57:28,507
Speaker 3: history only Ardie Savier, Karen Reid and Richie McCay have

1163
00:57:28,667 --> 00:57:32,427
Speaker 3: more as an All Black forward, Hurricane's third most cap player,

1164
00:57:32,867 --> 00:57:35,387
Speaker 3: captain the Canes to their first and so far only

1165
00:57:35,507 --> 00:57:39,307
Speaker 3: Super Rugby titled twenty sixteen. Same year nominee for the

1166
00:57:39,347 --> 00:57:41,867
Speaker 3: New Zealand and World Rugby Player of the Year Awards

1167
00:57:42,227 --> 00:57:44,547
Speaker 3: for a long time, the best hooker in the world,

1168
00:57:44,667 --> 00:57:45,427
Speaker 3: Dame Coles.

1169
00:57:45,227 --> 00:57:48,107
Speaker 17: Val cheers binning making me bust after that today, No

1170
00:57:48,267 --> 00:57:49,307
Speaker 17: good to be here, mate.

1171
00:57:49,187 --> 00:57:50,787
Speaker 3: It's good to see if I had to drag you

1172
00:57:50,867 --> 00:57:53,187
Speaker 3: away from the throng of fans who still want to

1173
00:57:53,187 --> 00:57:53,907
Speaker 3: get photos with you.

1174
00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:56,667
Speaker 4: Mate, Tim miss Jim, miss rugby on the day of

1175
00:57:56,707 --> 00:57:57,227
Speaker 4: a test.

1176
00:57:58,627 --> 00:57:58,907
Speaker 8: Today.

1177
00:57:58,987 --> 00:58:01,107
Speaker 17: I actually do like coming home to Willians and I

1178
00:58:01,227 --> 00:58:03,227
Speaker 17: live up in Carperty, so the building and just walking

1179
00:58:03,267 --> 00:58:04,227
Speaker 17: around and steal with the fans.

1180
00:58:04,227 --> 00:58:05,587
Speaker 8: You know, it's been It's a different buzz.

1181
00:58:06,907 --> 00:58:08,267
Speaker 17: Yeah, at least I get to go to the game

1182
00:58:08,307 --> 00:58:09,987
Speaker 17: and kind of watch it from the seats, and I

1183
00:58:10,067 --> 00:58:12,227
Speaker 17: don't miss the contact, Pinty. But yeah, I suppose that

1184
00:58:12,267 --> 00:58:14,027
Speaker 17: big build up with your kids and your family is

1185
00:58:14,027 --> 00:58:14,667
Speaker 17: always special.

1186
00:58:14,747 --> 00:58:16,307
Speaker 8: But no regrets made.

1187
00:58:16,347 --> 00:58:18,027
Speaker 17: I'm happy to be on the other side now and

1188
00:58:18,187 --> 00:58:19,907
Speaker 17: just sitting, never be and watch the game.

1189
00:58:19,987 --> 00:58:20,387
Speaker 4: Good stuff.

1190
00:58:20,387 --> 00:58:23,147
Speaker 3: Well, they always I think every every player in any

1191
00:58:23,187 --> 00:58:25,427
Speaker 3: sport I've spoken to do about retiring and they say,

1192
00:58:25,467 --> 00:58:26,827
Speaker 3: what what do you miss and what don't you miss?

1193
00:58:26,987 --> 00:58:29,067
Speaker 3: No one misses the training, right, no one misses that stuff,

1194
00:58:29,067 --> 00:58:32,107
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you don't. But what about the And

1195
00:58:32,427 --> 00:58:34,267
Speaker 3: a lot of people say it's the friendships they miss

1196
00:58:34,307 --> 00:58:34,587
Speaker 3: the most.

1197
00:58:35,027 --> 00:58:37,747
Speaker 17: H Yeah, you do, Like that's that's always an important

1198
00:58:37,787 --> 00:58:40,587
Speaker 17: part of your your team sport, as your as your mates.

1199
00:58:40,667 --> 00:58:43,227
Speaker 17: But I think you just got to try and stay connected.

1200
00:58:43,267 --> 00:58:44,867
Speaker 17: I always tried to text the boys when around town.

1201
00:58:44,907 --> 00:58:46,067
Speaker 17: I caught up a few of the all Black boys

1202
00:58:46,147 --> 00:58:47,987
Speaker 17: last night, you know, Sonny, and that still give me

1203
00:58:48,027 --> 00:58:49,707
Speaker 17: a bit of bent down that So it was cool

1204
00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:52,267
Speaker 17: in that space you kind of remember, you know that

1205
00:58:52,427 --> 00:58:54,827
Speaker 17: what you went through and the guys you play with.

1206
00:58:54,987 --> 00:58:57,267
Speaker 17: But you know, like life carries on, you know. That's

1207
00:58:57,307 --> 00:58:59,867
Speaker 17: just it was a big part of my life. But yeah,

1208
00:58:59,867 --> 00:59:01,907
Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for what I've done. But I'm still

1209
00:59:02,067 --> 00:59:03,787
Speaker 17: I'm enjoying the kind of the bed on the other

1210
00:59:03,827 --> 00:59:06,507
Speaker 17: side as well and making some new friendships and I'm

1211
00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:08,067
Speaker 17: living a simple life as well.

1212
00:59:08,147 --> 00:59:09,987
Speaker 3: Good to hear good to hear. I mean, you were

1213
00:59:10,027 --> 00:59:13,307
Speaker 3: always a good play growing up. What turned you into

1214
00:59:13,347 --> 00:59:15,147
Speaker 3: an All Black in late twenty twelve?

1215
00:59:15,187 --> 00:59:16,667
Speaker 4: What was there a turning point for you?

1216
00:59:18,747 --> 00:59:21,067
Speaker 17: I remember, well, the big thing with Obosi Horry was

1217
00:59:21,107 --> 00:59:23,067
Speaker 17: there for a long time, so I did buy my time,

1218
00:59:23,107 --> 00:59:25,067
Speaker 17: which was the way it was back in the day.

1219
00:59:25,347 --> 00:59:27,267
Speaker 17: And obviously him moving on in a bit of time

1220
00:59:27,347 --> 00:59:30,587
Speaker 17: in the saddle with the Canes that definitely helped. And

1221
00:59:30,707 --> 00:59:32,507
Speaker 17: I think I just made up my mind if I

1222
00:59:32,587 --> 00:59:33,827
Speaker 17: need a bit, I'm gonna be an orbit. I was

1223
00:59:33,867 --> 00:59:36,107
Speaker 17: twenty five and needs to be this year. So I

1224
00:59:36,267 --> 00:59:38,787
Speaker 17: just kind of put my head down, went to work.

1225
00:59:39,107 --> 00:59:41,267
Speaker 17: And it probably wasn't to a camp. They invited me

1226
00:59:41,347 --> 00:59:44,467
Speaker 17: to an All Black camp and Steve Hanson and Mike

1227
00:59:44,547 --> 00:59:46,467
Speaker 17: cron came along and said, like, you go, good Son,

1228
00:59:46,547 --> 00:59:50,227
Speaker 17: but you're throwing his crap. I was like, yeah, yeah,

1229
00:59:50,267 --> 00:59:53,027
Speaker 17: your car was that's I can't really be hockey. And

1230
00:59:53,107 --> 00:59:55,467
Speaker 17: they just gave me some real basic feedback about my

1231
00:59:55,547 --> 00:59:58,667
Speaker 17: throw and I just I remember just during the NPC season,

1232
00:59:58,707 --> 00:59:59,907
Speaker 17: I just worked my butt off.

1233
00:59:59,947 --> 01:00:02,587
Speaker 8: I was throwing on days off and it became.

1234
01:00:02,387 --> 01:00:05,947
Speaker 17: Really consistent in that in that role, and next thing

1235
01:00:05,947 --> 01:00:08,227
Speaker 17: I want to the tie and haven't really looked back.

1236
01:00:08,307 --> 01:00:10,547
Speaker 17: So yeah, a bit bit of guidance and a bit

1237
01:00:10,587 --> 01:00:14,067
Speaker 17: of determination and a bit of life experience. I was

1238
01:00:14,107 --> 01:00:16,187
Speaker 17: twenty five, you know, and I was at a good

1239
01:00:16,227 --> 01:00:18,227
Speaker 17: age that I needed to put my head down and

1240
01:00:18,227 --> 01:00:19,467
Speaker 17: go to work and work it out.

1241
01:00:19,947 --> 01:00:22,947
Speaker 4: Because you were always that kind of player, though, weren't you. Yes, you,

1242
01:00:23,067 --> 01:00:24,107
Speaker 4: I mean you, you're a hooky.

1243
01:00:24,147 --> 01:00:25,587
Speaker 3: You're throwing to the line out and you're try and

1244
01:00:25,627 --> 01:00:27,667
Speaker 3: get the ball back on the right side in the scrum.

1245
01:00:27,747 --> 01:00:30,227
Speaker 4: But you weren't just a ruckhead ray. You'd always run

1246
01:00:30,267 --> 01:00:31,627
Speaker 4: on the loose with the ball throwing that right.

1247
01:00:32,027 --> 01:00:35,307
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was timing piney like in that

1248
01:00:35,427 --> 01:00:36,027
Speaker 8: two twelve of you.

1249
01:00:36,147 --> 01:00:37,587
Speaker 17: I think they all actual had a game plan with

1250
01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:39,427
Speaker 17: a kind of the hooker was on the edge, so

1251
01:00:39,547 --> 01:00:41,667
Speaker 17: he was kind of a back lucy. So I think

1252
01:00:41,707 --> 01:00:44,587
Speaker 17: I was pretty lucky because it definitely suited my skill set. Like,

1253
01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,507
Speaker 17: even if it wasn't the game plane of the Hurricanes,

1254
01:00:46,547 --> 01:00:49,787
Speaker 17: I'll probably just hang on the edge and I think

1255
01:00:49,827 --> 01:00:51,267
Speaker 17: the coach is getting too fond of it, but just

1256
01:00:51,307 --> 01:00:54,187
Speaker 17: try to have a crack. And like I said, honestly,

1257
01:00:54,227 --> 01:00:56,227
Speaker 17: I reckon was a bit of luck that that gun

1258
01:00:56,667 --> 01:00:58,547
Speaker 17: shag and that came up a game plan that suited

1259
01:00:58,587 --> 01:01:01,227
Speaker 17: my skill set, and yeah, I just kind of always

1260
01:01:01,267 --> 01:01:02,987
Speaker 17: backed my ability to have a crack and have a

1261
01:01:03,067 --> 01:01:05,467
Speaker 17: run and try, you know, step the back or put

1262
01:01:05,507 --> 01:01:06,267
Speaker 17: a kick and or saying that.

1263
01:01:06,907 --> 01:01:08,467
Speaker 8: So, yeah, that was kind of kind of it.

1264
01:01:08,667 --> 01:01:09,907
Speaker 4: Well, they might have come up with the game play,

1265
01:01:09,987 --> 01:01:11,107
Speaker 4: but you still have to implement it.

1266
01:01:11,187 --> 01:01:14,747
Speaker 3: And you know, you are regarded as somebody who redefined

1267
01:01:14,747 --> 01:01:17,947
Speaker 3: that role the fourth loose forward, the guy on the wing,

1268
01:01:18,027 --> 01:01:20,187
Speaker 3: the guy runs, you know, but now a lot of

1269
01:01:20,227 --> 01:01:21,027
Speaker 3: hookers do that, right.

1270
01:01:21,107 --> 01:01:21,587
Speaker 8: Yeah, So.

1271
01:01:23,347 --> 01:01:24,987
Speaker 4: When you look back, now, do you do you feel

1272
01:01:24,987 --> 01:01:26,627
Speaker 4: as though you played a part in the development of

1273
01:01:26,667 --> 01:01:27,507
Speaker 4: the Number two Jersey.

1274
01:01:28,267 --> 01:01:30,947
Speaker 17: I don't know about that, Piney, Like, I feel like

1275
01:01:31,027 --> 01:01:34,147
Speaker 17: I just expressed myself. If i've I've been completely honest,

1276
01:01:34,267 --> 01:01:36,867
Speaker 17: like that's what that was, what my skill set was,

1277
01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:40,267
Speaker 17: and I wasn't trying to redefine or change the way.

1278
01:01:40,307 --> 01:01:42,147
Speaker 17: I just like, this is what I'm This is Dane

1279
01:01:42,187 --> 01:01:44,427
Speaker 17: Cole's this is what I'm about. If you don't like it,

1280
01:01:44,587 --> 01:01:46,267
Speaker 17: that's all good, But this is this is what I'm

1281
01:01:46,267 --> 01:01:48,427
Speaker 17: going to kind of do. But I look back, I

1282
01:01:48,507 --> 01:01:51,627
Speaker 17: think a guy that I probably Keith would from the

1283
01:01:51,707 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 17: Irish I reckon. He was the guy and fansy to

1284
01:01:53,867 --> 01:01:56,027
Speaker 17: us at certain extent, you know. But Keith Wood was

1285
01:01:56,067 --> 01:01:58,427
Speaker 17: the guy that kind of used to watch my man

1286
01:01:58,507 --> 01:02:00,507
Speaker 17: like kicking the ball side step, so he was a

1287
01:02:00,547 --> 01:02:01,267
Speaker 17: big inspiration.

1288
01:02:01,987 --> 01:02:02,187
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1289
01:02:02,187 --> 01:02:04,507
Speaker 17: I just try to mold myself, take little bits some

1290
01:02:04,547 --> 01:02:07,427
Speaker 17: players and then put them into my south and express.

1291
01:02:07,147 --> 01:02:09,427
Speaker 4: How the way I did it that twenty twelve side

1292
01:02:09,467 --> 01:02:09,827
Speaker 4: you came in.

1293
01:02:09,907 --> 01:02:12,227
Speaker 3: So we're still pretty stackeddy not too many, not too

1294
01:02:12,267 --> 01:02:14,507
Speaker 3: many retired after twenty eleven, quite a few that after

1295
01:02:14,867 --> 01:02:15,547
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen.

1296
01:02:15,627 --> 01:02:17,027
Speaker 4: But what was that environment like.

1297
01:02:17,107 --> 01:02:19,987
Speaker 17: Coming into Yeah, it was pretty intimidating to me fure

1298
01:02:19,987 --> 01:02:22,307
Speaker 17: because me and so we had a curbbaalow. We didn't

1299
01:02:22,307 --> 01:02:25,107
Speaker 17: make the initial squads of trainations and the bleeders though,

1300
01:02:25,107 --> 01:02:28,147
Speaker 17: so we went straight into India tour and there wasn't

1301
01:02:28,187 --> 01:02:29,907
Speaker 17: much time to be like, you know, get around you.

1302
01:02:30,107 --> 01:02:31,867
Speaker 17: It was like, all right, we see how you go.

1303
01:02:32,067 --> 01:02:34,547
Speaker 17: You know, like remember my first line actually sided and

1304
01:02:34,627 --> 01:02:37,547
Speaker 17: you know, cause I was overthrowing it. Like but that

1305
01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:40,547
Speaker 17: in the era you just kind of knew you shut

1306
01:02:40,587 --> 01:02:42,547
Speaker 17: your mouth, you just got on with it and your

1307
01:02:42,587 --> 01:02:45,307
Speaker 17: teammates respect and as you kind of in your teammates

1308
01:02:45,347 --> 01:02:47,627
Speaker 17: respect you guys like Kivan Horry and we'll get you

1309
01:02:47,707 --> 01:02:48,787
Speaker 17: and like yah do this.

1310
01:02:48,987 --> 01:02:50,787
Speaker 8: And I leaned a lot off that time. Mate. It

1311
01:02:50,907 --> 01:02:54,667
Speaker 8: was definitely shaped me and tore the All Black.

1312
01:02:54,707 --> 01:02:56,867
Speaker 17: I probably was because I've seen the commitment what it

1313
01:02:56,947 --> 01:02:59,307
Speaker 17: talked to be to at a top eleven and I

1314
01:02:59,347 --> 01:03:01,067
Speaker 17: didn't want to be like a one test All Black,

1315
01:03:01,147 --> 01:03:02,827
Speaker 17: you know. I wanted to be there for a long time.

1316
01:03:03,507 --> 01:03:05,267
Speaker 17: And I definitely leaned a lot off of those senior

1317
01:03:05,307 --> 01:03:06,147
Speaker 17: guys in there and there on.

1318
01:03:06,547 --> 01:03:09,547
Speaker 3: So yeah, givin me alarm of everybody who talks about him,

1319
01:03:09,547 --> 01:03:12,547
Speaker 3: talks about his manner and the team and what an

1320
01:03:12,587 --> 01:03:15,187
Speaker 3: influential play he was. But you know, during that time

1321
01:03:15,227 --> 01:03:17,787
Speaker 3: and heading into the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup, you

1322
01:03:17,947 --> 01:03:19,267
Speaker 3: end up starting games overheavy.

1323
01:03:19,307 --> 01:03:21,107
Speaker 4: But was he still a supportive teammate.

1324
01:03:20,827 --> 01:03:21,547
Speaker 8: One hundred percent?

1325
01:03:21,787 --> 01:03:23,987
Speaker 17: And I got that kind of fear when Hory and

1326
01:03:24,307 --> 01:03:28,107
Speaker 17: Kivy like probably two opposites, once from Southwark and one

1327
01:03:28,227 --> 01:03:31,867
Speaker 17: from you know, me and Toto, but the relationship they had,

1328
01:03:32,147 --> 01:03:34,467
Speaker 17: like it was like you got to earn your jersey,

1329
01:03:34,547 --> 01:03:36,267
Speaker 17: but they'll do everything he can to help, you know,

1330
01:03:36,587 --> 01:03:38,027
Speaker 17: get the best out of each other. And it was

1331
01:03:38,147 --> 01:03:40,827
Speaker 17: never like if there was like a thing they needed

1332
01:03:40,867 --> 01:03:43,067
Speaker 17: to share, they'd share with it. So yeah, and Kevy

1333
01:03:43,187 --> 01:03:45,227
Speaker 17: was the same rid in to fifteen. A great relationship.

1334
01:03:45,267 --> 01:03:46,707
Speaker 17: You know, when it was time to work and compete,

1335
01:03:46,747 --> 01:03:49,227
Speaker 17: you go hard for each other. But at the same time,

1336
01:03:49,347 --> 01:03:51,067
Speaker 17: you know, would always sit down and always I would

1337
01:03:51,067 --> 01:03:53,667
Speaker 17: always bounce off ideas or you know, things I could

1338
01:03:53,707 --> 01:03:54,987
Speaker 17: make my game better off Kevy.

1339
01:03:55,067 --> 01:03:56,587
Speaker 8: So you know, I okiv you a lot.

1340
01:03:57,147 --> 01:03:59,747
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup winner obviously, then the next

1341
01:03:59,827 --> 01:04:02,547
Speaker 3: year the Canes are Super Rugby champions. You're leading that team,

1342
01:04:03,147 --> 01:04:05,147
Speaker 3: nominated for World Rugby Player of the Year.

1343
01:04:05,227 --> 01:04:07,907
Speaker 4: What was that your sweets twenty sixteen?

1344
01:04:08,547 --> 01:04:10,107
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it was, you know, like I had

1345
01:04:10,107 --> 01:04:13,267
Speaker 17: a few injuries after that, but that's footy. But yeah,

1346
01:04:13,547 --> 01:04:15,547
Speaker 17: like I obviously the Kings is a big part of

1347
01:04:15,587 --> 01:04:17,667
Speaker 17: my life, mate, Like I used to go to the stadium,

1348
01:04:17,707 --> 01:04:20,787
Speaker 17: I'm on the train effort at Park so and to

1349
01:04:20,867 --> 01:04:22,627
Speaker 17: be kept and of a team that I love, you

1350
01:04:22,707 --> 01:04:25,627
Speaker 17: know a lot, a lot. Yeah, to bring a championship

1351
01:04:25,667 --> 01:04:28,987
Speaker 17: home was a great, great experience, and then it kind

1352
01:04:28,987 --> 01:04:30,627
Speaker 17: of flowed into my all black footy as well. You know,

1353
01:04:30,707 --> 01:04:33,187
Speaker 17: Like I think the turning point was probably Boydy giving

1354
01:04:33,227 --> 01:04:34,867
Speaker 17: me the captain See, like I was at an age

1355
01:04:34,907 --> 01:04:38,027
Speaker 17: and I was kind of cruising, not cruising a little bit,

1356
01:04:38,027 --> 01:04:40,027
Speaker 17: but I need a bit of a challenge, and I

1357
01:04:40,067 --> 01:04:42,387
Speaker 17: think him giving me the captaincy kind of just lifted

1358
01:04:42,427 --> 01:04:43,427
Speaker 17: my game to another level.

1359
01:04:43,467 --> 01:04:45,587
Speaker 8: So yeah, I've got to I think wordy for that.

1360
01:04:46,027 --> 01:04:49,307
Speaker 3: One thing that people who played at the same time

1361
01:04:49,387 --> 01:04:51,307
Speaker 3: you did will say is they love playing with you,

1362
01:04:51,467 --> 01:04:55,227
Speaker 3: but didn't particularly enjoy playing against you, because I mean,

1363
01:04:55,307 --> 01:04:56,747
Speaker 3: off the field, you're I mean, ever, I could tell

1364
01:04:56,787 --> 01:04:57,507
Speaker 3: you a nice guy.

1365
01:04:57,627 --> 01:04:59,507
Speaker 4: On the field, you just like did did whatever it

1366
01:04:59,587 --> 01:05:00,307
Speaker 4: took for your team.

1367
01:05:01,467 --> 01:05:05,227
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's probably that sums it up, pony, did you

1368
01:05:05,507 --> 01:05:08,667
Speaker 17: I wasn't there really to legal people. No, there's sometimes that,

1369
01:05:08,787 --> 01:05:10,867
Speaker 17: Like back then, you could sit, you know, back in

1370
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,907
Speaker 17: the paper days, you could get you know, quotes from

1371
01:05:13,027 --> 01:05:14,907
Speaker 17: like you know, from other teams that would say stuff

1372
01:05:14,907 --> 01:05:17,187
Speaker 17: about your pack or your personal players. So you use

1373
01:05:17,227 --> 01:05:19,547
Speaker 17: it as a bit of a motivation. But when I

1374
01:05:19,627 --> 01:05:21,147
Speaker 17: was out there, I want me to make friends, mate,

1375
01:05:21,147 --> 01:05:22,667
Speaker 17: I'm there to win and do what I can for

1376
01:05:22,787 --> 01:05:25,827
Speaker 17: my team. And and like since i've been retired. I've

1377
01:05:25,827 --> 01:05:27,707
Speaker 17: done a few talks and sometimes I crossed the line,

1378
01:05:27,707 --> 01:05:29,947
Speaker 17: and I'll admit that, you know, and I've cost my team.

1379
01:05:29,987 --> 01:05:30,667
Speaker 8: I've been simburn.

1380
01:05:30,787 --> 01:05:35,027
Speaker 17: But like I said, whatever happened on the field stays

1381
01:05:35,067 --> 01:05:36,387
Speaker 17: on the field, and I'll shake your hand, I'll have

1382
01:05:36,427 --> 01:05:37,667
Speaker 17: a beer with you after the game. And it was

1383
01:05:37,707 --> 01:05:41,147
Speaker 17: it was never nothing personal, yeah, And like I've got

1384
01:05:41,227 --> 01:05:42,587
Speaker 17: no regrets of what things happened.

1385
01:05:42,667 --> 01:05:45,627
Speaker 8: It was just I wanted to win. And you know,

1386
01:05:46,267 --> 01:05:46,827
Speaker 8: there's an All.

1387
01:05:46,747 --> 01:05:48,307
Speaker 17: Black teammate that I've played a lot of ubby with,

1388
01:05:48,427 --> 01:05:49,867
Speaker 17: so beer, you know that this is the way I

1389
01:05:49,987 --> 01:05:52,707
Speaker 17: was and that's just the way I was wored and you.

1390
01:05:52,747 --> 01:05:55,707
Speaker 4: Shouldn't have regrets. There's no way you should have regrets.

1391
01:05:55,707 --> 01:05:57,787
Speaker 3: So I remember that game against the Crusaders down there

1392
01:05:57,827 --> 01:05:59,947
Speaker 3: at the stadium, you and Cody Taylor, who were All

1393
01:05:59,947 --> 01:06:02,267
Speaker 3: Black teammates for years, you know, having a bit of

1394
01:06:02,467 --> 01:06:03,467
Speaker 3: a snigh at each other, and.

1395
01:06:03,507 --> 01:06:05,947
Speaker 4: Then he gets he gets a yellow cardis guns in

1396
01:06:06,027 --> 01:06:06,827
Speaker 4: on the nor each year?

1397
01:06:07,027 --> 01:06:09,867
Speaker 3: But you know you're right, I think, But then I'm

1398
01:06:09,947 --> 01:06:12,107
Speaker 3: almost certain you'll be able to confirm this afterwards.

1399
01:06:12,107 --> 01:06:15,707
Speaker 17: You probably and I know I've known Cody for a

1400
01:06:15,707 --> 01:06:17,747
Speaker 17: while because obviously we had the same kind of story

1401
01:06:17,827 --> 01:06:20,667
Speaker 17: from Ben Harf and so we got a great relationship.

1402
01:06:20,707 --> 01:06:22,227
Speaker 17: But like I say, when you were on the field

1403
01:06:22,267 --> 01:06:24,507
Speaker 17: and we're into each other and we you know, we

1404
01:06:24,987 --> 01:06:27,307
Speaker 17: came to blows in that game, but like I said,

1405
01:06:27,427 --> 01:06:29,187
Speaker 17: same with him, and were we forgot that, we left

1406
01:06:29,227 --> 01:06:31,507
Speaker 17: it and we hugged it out, shook her hand. Had

1407
01:06:31,547 --> 01:06:33,227
Speaker 17: to be after the game, like they presented me because

1408
01:06:33,227 --> 01:06:35,347
Speaker 17: it was my last home game at the stadium. He

1409
01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:37,467
Speaker 17: presented me a bottle of wine. So that was you know,

1410
01:06:37,547 --> 01:06:39,827
Speaker 17: that's the beauty of rugby. A like you can you

1411
01:06:39,907 --> 01:06:41,507
Speaker 17: can go to war with someone, but then you can

1412
01:06:41,547 --> 01:06:42,947
Speaker 17: have a beer and they can things like that.

1413
01:06:43,107 --> 01:06:44,387
Speaker 8: That's what that's that was special.

1414
01:06:44,467 --> 01:06:47,347
Speaker 17: So yeah, but I'm pretty stated they've got to be

1415
01:06:47,507 --> 01:06:49,947
Speaker 17: crusaders on my last home game at the stadium.

1416
01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:51,707
Speaker 3: Right at the back end of your career, you did

1417
01:06:51,747 --> 01:06:54,747
Speaker 3: play overseas very briefly. Did you have opportunities during your

1418
01:06:55,107 --> 01:06:56,307
Speaker 3: your career to go overseas?

1419
01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:56,547
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1420
01:06:56,587 --> 01:07:01,467
Speaker 8: I did, I didn't look like quite seriously enough.

1421
01:07:01,547 --> 01:07:04,267
Speaker 17: I just I always say that the teams I love

1422
01:07:04,347 --> 01:07:07,187
Speaker 17: playing for were the All Blacks, the Hurricanes, the Lions

1423
01:07:07,387 --> 01:07:10,907
Speaker 17: and Paniki and I always thought I'd always find it

1424
01:07:10,987 --> 01:07:12,347
Speaker 17: hard to play for a team that I didn't have

1425
01:07:12,467 --> 01:07:15,467
Speaker 17: like a sentimental value for, so I turned not like

1426
01:07:15,587 --> 01:07:18,267
Speaker 17: a couple of offers I turned down, But then in

1427
01:07:18,427 --> 01:07:20,867
Speaker 17: saying that one of my best years of rugby was

1428
01:07:20,907 --> 01:07:23,147
Speaker 17: going to KBODA in Japan, it was just because there

1429
01:07:23,187 --> 01:07:25,347
Speaker 17: was no pressure, you know, I had I came out

1430
01:07:25,387 --> 01:07:27,707
Speaker 17: of nowhere, had I had about three days to decide

1431
01:07:27,787 --> 01:07:31,547
Speaker 17: to go there, and it was rare, refreshing, Japanese boys, awesome.

1432
01:07:31,587 --> 01:07:34,507
Speaker 17: I got to play with Africans Bernard Foley that who

1433
01:07:34,587 --> 01:07:36,867
Speaker 17: he hated each other but were becoming good mates, you know,

1434
01:07:37,067 --> 01:07:39,347
Speaker 17: like it was a great experience. But I'm glad it

1435
01:07:39,387 --> 01:07:41,747
Speaker 17: was only six months. I don't I wouldn't have done

1436
01:07:41,747 --> 01:07:43,907
Speaker 17: it earlier in my career, But yeah, that was kind

1437
01:07:43,947 --> 01:07:45,987
Speaker 17: of my reason. Teams that I loved I always fell

1438
01:07:46,027 --> 01:07:48,547
Speaker 17: I got the best out of, and that was kind

1439
01:07:48,587 --> 01:07:50,107
Speaker 17: of the reason I didn't really look overseas.

1440
01:07:50,507 --> 01:07:52,227
Speaker 3: You've got a couple of head knocks as well, didn't you.

1441
01:07:52,267 --> 01:07:54,187
Speaker 3: Yeah that, I mean, were you close to having to

1442
01:07:54,267 --> 01:07:56,347
Speaker 3: call it quits earlier than you were wanted to?

1443
01:07:56,507 --> 01:07:58,187
Speaker 8: I think the two seventeen years I was out for

1444
01:07:58,267 --> 01:07:59,627
Speaker 8: a while, like six months.

1445
01:08:01,107 --> 01:08:04,027
Speaker 17: Yeah, and a lot of it's like because you're you're

1446
01:08:04,067 --> 01:08:05,787
Speaker 17: going for a bit of concussion, you overthink things. I

1447
01:08:05,827 --> 01:08:07,307
Speaker 17: think a little bit too, like because you get such

1448
01:08:07,347 --> 01:08:09,067
Speaker 17: in a bad state. But I actually seen a sports

1449
01:08:09,067 --> 01:08:12,667
Speaker 17: psychologist and he sorted me out, so that was quite

1450
01:08:12,707 --> 01:08:15,187
Speaker 17: good and yeah, like and it hadn't probably helped me

1451
01:08:15,307 --> 01:08:16,987
Speaker 17: deal with other injuries down the line, you know, like

1452
01:08:17,667 --> 01:08:20,187
Speaker 17: you can't control everything. Just try focus on what you

1453
01:08:20,267 --> 01:08:23,107
Speaker 17: can and that's all part of sport, mate. Everyone goes

1454
01:08:23,107 --> 01:08:25,587
Speaker 17: through injuries and you learn a lot of dealing with

1455
01:08:25,667 --> 01:08:27,027
Speaker 17: injuries and getting back on the field.

1456
01:08:27,827 --> 01:08:31,827
Speaker 3: Ian Foster talks in his book about having to tell

1457
01:08:31,947 --> 01:08:34,467
Speaker 3: you that you weren't in the squad for the Rugby

1458
01:08:34,547 --> 01:08:36,987
Speaker 3: World Cup final, Yeah, in twenty twenty three, which was.

1459
01:08:37,027 --> 01:08:41,827
Speaker 4: Basically ending your All Blacks career. Can you tell us

1460
01:08:41,867 --> 01:08:42,147
Speaker 4: my dad?

1461
01:08:42,947 --> 01:08:45,667
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was and there's no like resentment for me

1462
01:08:47,187 --> 01:08:49,427
Speaker 17: and I like, the last thing he wants is a

1463
01:08:49,547 --> 01:08:52,067
Speaker 17: senior member dropping his lip, you know. And he was emotional,

1464
01:08:52,307 --> 01:08:54,267
Speaker 17: he admitted that, but I was like, mate, look look

1465
01:08:54,667 --> 01:08:55,947
Speaker 17: I've got you back for it was like I'll get

1466
01:08:55,987 --> 01:08:57,907
Speaker 17: around you. Let's get this win this World Cup. I

1467
01:08:57,987 --> 01:09:02,307
Speaker 17: will say this, they do and he'll.

1468
01:09:01,147 --> 01:09:01,787
Speaker 8: Find this funny.

1469
01:09:01,867 --> 01:09:04,947
Speaker 17: Like I paid the court final and then we had

1470
01:09:04,987 --> 01:09:07,947
Speaker 17: a six day turnaround, so we had one least day

1471
01:09:07,947 --> 01:09:09,787
Speaker 17: and we traveled on the day to train. And usually

1472
01:09:09,827 --> 01:09:11,187
Speaker 17: if you get if you're not playing, they'll tell you

1473
01:09:11,227 --> 01:09:13,227
Speaker 17: the night before. So he didn't have that time. And

1474
01:09:13,307 --> 01:09:14,987
Speaker 17: I was about to put my boots on for the

1475
01:09:15,147 --> 01:09:18,187
Speaker 17: Monday to go out to the Monday session. He said, oh,

1476
01:09:18,187 --> 01:09:21,467
Speaker 17: you're not playing for the semi final, and I was

1477
01:09:21,747 --> 01:09:24,427
Speaker 17: living like I was just like this close to making

1478
01:09:24,507 --> 01:09:26,627
Speaker 17: it on but like, that's not as fault. It was

1479
01:09:26,707 --> 01:09:28,107
Speaker 17: just the way that I week. It was you had

1480
01:09:28,147 --> 01:09:30,347
Speaker 17: it one least day there was there was probably the

1481
01:09:30,387 --> 01:09:32,867
Speaker 17: hardest one. So by the final, I and the boys

1482
01:09:33,467 --> 01:09:35,707
Speaker 17: were unreal. On that semisige, I knew in my head

1483
01:09:36,187 --> 01:09:37,867
Speaker 17: there's no way, you know, they're going to put me

1484
01:09:37,907 --> 01:09:40,747
Speaker 17: in for the final, and that was that's this I've

1485
01:09:40,747 --> 01:09:43,187
Speaker 17: played my whole career. There's no guarantees in that black jersey,

1486
01:09:43,227 --> 01:09:45,707
Speaker 17: you know, like, and if you take it for granted

1487
01:09:46,147 --> 01:09:47,867
Speaker 17: you're on it, you get out on the other side.

1488
01:09:47,907 --> 01:09:49,267
Speaker 17: And so I just put on my energy trying to

1489
01:09:49,267 --> 01:09:50,907
Speaker 17: get the one for the boys, doing the thing I can,

1490
01:09:51,627 --> 01:09:54,787
Speaker 17: and I fortunately we lost, but that's I look back

1491
01:09:54,827 --> 01:09:57,307
Speaker 17: in my old work career of nothing but proudness of

1492
01:09:57,547 --> 01:09:58,387
Speaker 17: the way it ended.

1493
01:09:58,427 --> 01:10:00,747
Speaker 8: And that's that's just rugby. That's the way it does well.

1494
01:10:00,787 --> 01:10:03,427
Speaker 4: The silver linings it ended, and that that went over islands.

1495
01:10:03,827 --> 01:10:08,827
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's civil lining and like and you

1496
01:10:08,907 --> 01:10:11,027
Speaker 17: know as well as anyone, poney, they cause us a

1497
01:10:11,027 --> 01:10:13,947
Speaker 17: bit of heartache, you know, like losing that series at

1498
01:10:13,947 --> 01:10:16,187
Speaker 17: Home was one of my toughest losses in All Black.

1499
01:10:16,267 --> 01:10:20,627
Speaker 17: So it's kind of in that kind of chapter was

1500
01:10:21,147 --> 01:10:24,707
Speaker 17: was kind of a bitter sweet and yeah, mate, I've

1501
01:10:24,747 --> 01:10:27,547
Speaker 17: got no regrets and no, I don't hold any grudges.

1502
01:10:27,587 --> 01:10:30,227
Speaker 17: That's that's footy and that's that's the way it is sometimes.

1503
01:10:30,747 --> 01:10:33,267
Speaker 3: So you've got three times of your own Jacks Reef

1504
01:10:33,347 --> 01:10:36,187
Speaker 3: and Bowie teen eight and five, I think any rugby

1505
01:10:36,267 --> 01:10:36,747
Speaker 3: interest there.

1506
01:10:37,147 --> 01:10:41,147
Speaker 17: Yeah, they're all playing not by pressure, pioneer they are,

1507
01:10:42,067 --> 01:10:44,027
Speaker 17: they've just been surrounded by you know, and yeah, they

1508
01:10:44,107 --> 01:10:44,307
Speaker 17: love it.

1509
01:10:44,387 --> 01:10:44,987
Speaker 8: It's quite cool.

1510
01:10:45,027 --> 01:10:47,747
Speaker 17: It's it takes me back tomorrow when my men was

1511
01:10:47,827 --> 01:10:50,027
Speaker 17: kind of involved my career and I take it down

1512
01:10:50,147 --> 01:10:53,027
Speaker 17: Tadeo up company, coasts and all of it Honestly, I

1513
01:10:53,107 --> 01:10:54,107
Speaker 17: love taking them to training.

1514
01:10:54,947 --> 01:10:55,987
Speaker 8: I love taking them to the games.

1515
01:10:56,027 --> 01:10:57,507
Speaker 17: We do a but an extra training in the garage,

1516
01:10:57,547 --> 01:10:59,267
Speaker 17: you know when they want to some clean outs and

1517
01:11:00,147 --> 01:11:01,747
Speaker 17: passing and all the little things.

1518
01:11:01,827 --> 01:11:03,947
Speaker 8: And but yeah, it's awesome to see them kind of

1519
01:11:03,987 --> 01:11:05,307
Speaker 8: get the enjoyment that I get.

1520
01:11:06,587 --> 01:11:09,467
Speaker 17: And there's no like pressure on them, you know, like

1521
01:11:09,547 --> 01:11:10,987
Speaker 17: I just I'll let them do what they want to

1522
01:11:11,027 --> 01:11:12,467
Speaker 17: do if they don't want to play, Like my son

1523
01:11:12,507 --> 01:11:14,627
Speaker 17: played soccer for a year, you know, like that's I

1524
01:11:14,787 --> 01:11:18,027
Speaker 17: just playing sport is such an awesome, awesome toll fio.

1525
01:11:18,147 --> 01:11:20,787
Speaker 8: So yeah, but you never know. Piney hopefully he's a.

1526
01:11:20,787 --> 01:11:23,587
Speaker 17: Couple of or bs and n Pete Smiley, Barrett, But

1527
01:11:23,827 --> 01:11:24,227
Speaker 17: we'll see.

1528
01:11:25,307 --> 01:11:27,907
Speaker 3: Do you think I'm also Jaxon's team? Do you think

1529
01:11:27,907 --> 01:11:31,227
Speaker 3: he realizes that as Dare was an All Black? Does

1530
01:11:31,267 --> 01:11:32,467
Speaker 3: he grasp what that means?

1531
01:11:33,747 --> 01:11:34,467
Speaker 8: They definitely know.

1532
01:11:34,747 --> 01:11:37,187
Speaker 17: They get it on YouTube and play those bloody clips

1533
01:11:37,267 --> 01:11:41,027
Speaker 17: that those tiktop clips, you know, not not the highlight reels,

1534
01:11:41,067 --> 01:11:43,307
Speaker 17: the bad ones, and they give me a better stick,

1535
01:11:43,387 --> 01:11:45,707
Speaker 17: But I think they kind of not.

1536
01:11:46,067 --> 01:11:46,787
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure.

1537
01:11:46,907 --> 01:11:49,227
Speaker 17: They definitely know I played in the Black Jersey and

1538
01:11:49,307 --> 01:11:53,107
Speaker 17: they know how proud I am of doing that. Yeah,

1539
01:11:53,307 --> 01:11:56,947
Speaker 17: so hopefully they realized, you know, the the I suppose,

1540
01:11:56,987 --> 01:11:58,627
Speaker 17: the sacrifices and all the work I had to put

1541
01:11:58,667 --> 01:12:00,307
Speaker 17: into it. But like anything, mate, you're like, that's what

1542
01:12:00,387 --> 01:12:01,667
Speaker 17: you've got to do to be at the top. And

1543
01:12:02,427 --> 01:12:04,627
Speaker 17: and yeah, they love it, journey. They got to meet

1544
01:12:04,667 --> 01:12:06,947
Speaker 17: guys you know in their jersey and and they look

1545
01:12:07,027 --> 01:12:08,467
Speaker 17: up to a lot of those people in the environment.

1546
01:12:08,547 --> 01:12:09,187
Speaker 8: Now love it.

1547
01:12:09,267 --> 01:12:11,387
Speaker 3: And so you're doing some primo work for New Jialing rugby.

1548
01:12:11,387 --> 01:12:14,547
Speaker 3: I know you've got some commitments this afternoon, end this evening.

1549
01:12:14,587 --> 01:12:15,627
Speaker 3: What else is taking up your time?

1550
01:12:16,027 --> 01:12:17,747
Speaker 17: I'm doing a bit of coaching, mate, I'm coaching the

1551
01:12:17,787 --> 01:12:20,467
Speaker 17: local rugby team. I parted up them's senior rugby. It's

1552
01:12:20,467 --> 01:12:21,867
Speaker 17: a big shout out there, so we've got to buy

1553
01:12:21,987 --> 01:12:24,347
Speaker 17: this week. Just trying to give back a little bit

1554
01:12:25,187 --> 01:12:27,027
Speaker 17: coach doing do the half of nunder sixteen.

1555
01:12:27,067 --> 01:12:28,027
Speaker 8: So I did that last year.

1556
01:12:28,147 --> 01:12:31,347
Speaker 17: Like we come from a province I reckon we underachieve

1557
01:12:32,307 --> 01:12:35,187
Speaker 17: up there. So just trying to give back. And you know,

1558
01:12:35,507 --> 01:12:37,227
Speaker 17: I'm sure there's a couple of all blacks out there,

1559
01:12:37,347 --> 01:12:40,067
Speaker 17: black ferns. You know, I'd be so cold to get

1560
01:12:40,107 --> 01:12:42,667
Speaker 17: a bit more so you're just trying to give back pinting.

1561
01:12:42,787 --> 01:12:45,747
Speaker 17: Not not one hundred percent sure what I'm going to

1562
01:12:45,787 --> 01:12:48,227
Speaker 17: do full time, but I said this to a lot

1563
01:12:48,227 --> 01:12:50,427
Speaker 17: of people. It's been awesome just to kind of take

1564
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:54,387
Speaker 17: a step back and just have quinde of no pressure

1565
01:12:54,427 --> 01:12:56,827
Speaker 17: on you, you know, because you get so accustomed to

1566
01:12:56,867 --> 01:12:59,187
Speaker 17: that high pressure environment. But yeah, loving it mate, doing

1567
01:12:59,227 --> 01:13:00,987
Speaker 17: a bit of this with you doing a couple of

1568
01:13:01,067 --> 01:13:04,227
Speaker 17: charity events. But yeah, meeting a few old All Blacks

1569
01:13:04,227 --> 01:13:06,747
Speaker 17: that are in the speaking scene. Andy, it's good. I'm

1570
01:13:06,787 --> 01:13:07,187
Speaker 17: drawing life.

1571
01:13:07,187 --> 01:13:07,667
Speaker 4: It's really good.

1572
01:13:07,747 --> 01:13:09,227
Speaker 3: Well, mat if the last fifteen minutes are and then

1573
01:13:09,267 --> 01:13:10,707
Speaker 3: to go by, you've got a future in the your

1574
01:13:11,107 --> 01:13:12,907
Speaker 3: speaking see maybe you're I can go on.

1575
01:13:12,987 --> 01:13:13,827
Speaker 4: Tours and Q and eight.

1576
01:13:14,387 --> 01:13:17,067
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll follow your league. Finey you clut the ticket, mate,

1577
01:13:17,107 --> 01:13:18,307
Speaker 8: and I'll do it for free.

1578
01:13:19,307 --> 01:13:20,227
Speaker 4: Hey, great to see you, Colsey.

1579
01:13:20,227 --> 01:13:22,387
Speaker 8: Thanks for stopping in, mate, Oh chieers Piney, thanks having mate.

1580
01:13:22,427 --> 01:13:24,867
Speaker 3: That is Dane Coles, of course, the one and only

1581
01:13:25,027 --> 01:13:27,587
Speaker 3: ninety tiers former All Blacks hooker, joining us from Shed

1582
01:13:27,667 --> 01:13:30,267
Speaker 3: twenty two and downtown Wellington eighteen away from two Beck

1583
01:13:30,307 --> 01:13:30,827
Speaker 3: in the Mow.

1584
01:13:32,827 --> 01:13:35,587
Speaker 1: Shouting down to all blacks Fee fronts on your home

1585
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:39,307
Speaker 1: of Sport. It's Weekends fort Live from Shed twenty two

1586
01:13:39,467 --> 01:13:42,867
Speaker 1: in Wellington with Chase and Fine and GJ. Gardner Homes,

1587
01:13:43,027 --> 01:13:45,987
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks the'd be.

1588
01:13:46,467 --> 01:13:49,027
Speaker 3: One forty five. Some great feedback on the Dane Coulson.

1589
01:13:49,067 --> 01:13:51,307
Speaker 3: If you want a champion of a blow gay so authentic,

1590
01:13:51,467 --> 01:13:55,587
Speaker 3: so real. Yeah, just a leegiand great to chet to

1591
01:13:55,627 --> 01:13:58,147
Speaker 3: day Cole's bread shields with us after two o'clock. Speaking

1592
01:13:58,227 --> 01:14:00,107
Speaker 3: of legends, but let's get across the Tasman as we

1593
01:14:00,147 --> 01:14:04,307
Speaker 3: always do on Saturday afternoons. Australian correspondent Adam Peacock joins us,

1594
01:14:04,347 --> 01:14:07,267
Speaker 3: and let's start with state of origin. Queensland of one

1595
01:14:07,347 --> 01:14:08,307
Speaker 3: state of origin.

1596
01:14:08,547 --> 01:14:09,627
Speaker 4: How unexpected was this?

1597
01:14:11,907 --> 01:14:15,107
Speaker 12: It's the most expected unexpected thing you could imagine.

1598
01:14:15,307 --> 01:14:15,667
Speaker 2: Heini.

1599
01:14:17,347 --> 01:14:20,667
Speaker 12: Yeah, typical Queensland. They just rock up and do the

1600
01:14:20,747 --> 01:14:22,827
Speaker 12: little things that win origin games.

1601
01:14:22,907 --> 01:14:24,267
Speaker 15: And New South Wales come up.

1602
01:14:24,227 --> 01:14:27,467
Speaker 12: With a game plan that doesn't take into.

1603
01:14:26,907 --> 01:14:28,707
Speaker 7: Account that little things can prove the.

1604
01:14:28,707 --> 01:14:31,667
Speaker 12: Difference, not the big things. So yeah, they were just

1605
01:14:32,547 --> 01:14:33,947
Speaker 12: was just too good. I was there on the night

1606
01:14:34,107 --> 01:14:37,547
Speaker 12: and they swarmed and energy and all those things in

1607
01:14:37,627 --> 01:14:40,667
Speaker 12: New South Wales had a game plan, but sometimes your

1608
01:14:40,707 --> 01:14:44,107
Speaker 12: game plan you don't get past the second step with

1609
01:14:44,187 --> 01:14:45,307
Speaker 12: it when you need to take ten.

1610
01:14:45,267 --> 01:14:46,067
Speaker 2: Steps for victory.

1611
01:14:46,187 --> 01:14:47,427
Speaker 18: So yeah, it was.

1612
01:14:47,987 --> 01:14:49,667
Speaker 12: It was one of those nights in New South Wales

1613
01:14:49,867 --> 01:14:50,627
Speaker 12: and Queensland.

1614
01:14:50,867 --> 01:14:53,107
Speaker 4: What does this mean for Laurie Daily, coach of New

1615
01:14:53,147 --> 01:14:53,747
Speaker 4: South Wales.

1616
01:14:54,587 --> 01:14:55,227
Speaker 8: I was copying it.

1617
01:14:55,427 --> 01:14:56,387
Speaker 12: He's coping it over here.

1618
01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:59,147
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know.

1619
01:14:59,387 --> 01:15:02,147
Speaker 12: You probably have to go into greater detail about why

1620
01:15:02,307 --> 01:15:04,947
Speaker 12: that performance was found in game three?

1621
01:15:05,347 --> 01:15:05,627
Speaker 2: I e.

1622
01:15:06,507 --> 01:15:10,347
Speaker 15: Was there a Plan B that the players refuse to

1623
01:15:10,427 --> 01:15:13,867
Speaker 15: go to because we've got some You're gonna think you've

1624
01:15:13,867 --> 01:15:16,427
Speaker 15: got some damn smart players out there who can think

1625
01:15:16,427 --> 01:15:17,747
Speaker 15: their way around a footy field.

1626
01:15:17,827 --> 01:15:20,947
Speaker 12: But or was it the coach telling them, no, we

1627
01:15:21,547 --> 01:15:23,627
Speaker 12: don't need a Plan B. Plan B is to plan

1628
01:15:23,747 --> 01:15:26,267
Speaker 12: a better so that that's the key to it all

1629
01:15:26,467 --> 01:15:27,987
Speaker 12: and that'll come out in the wash up.

1630
01:15:28,027 --> 01:15:30,747
Speaker 3: I'd say, all right, let's go to rugby union where

1631
01:15:31,107 --> 01:15:33,147
Speaker 3: we're not that far away now from the first Test

1632
01:15:33,227 --> 01:15:36,147
Speaker 3: between the British and Irish Lions and the Wallabies that

1633
01:15:36,307 --> 01:15:39,987
Speaker 3: is next weekend. Of course, the squad's been named Joe

1634
01:15:40,027 --> 01:15:42,387
Speaker 3: Schmidt has gone a bit but back to the future

1635
01:15:42,427 --> 01:15:45,507
Speaker 3: and James O'Connor is back and the Wallabies for this one.

1636
01:15:46,347 --> 01:15:51,267
Speaker 12: Yeah, the Crusader's bench player, he's made it.

1637
01:15:51,987 --> 01:15:54,027
Speaker 15: I get the feeling he won't.

1638
01:15:53,907 --> 01:15:57,547
Speaker 12: Be first choice ten, but he's certainly an option. I mean,

1639
01:15:57,947 --> 01:16:00,187
Speaker 12: why not have a guy like that around the squad?

1640
01:16:00,267 --> 01:16:02,667
Speaker 12: This is the type of selection that Eddie Jones sure

1641
01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:05,107
Speaker 12: as hell wouldn't have made having a guy like this

1642
01:16:05,187 --> 01:16:08,707
Speaker 12: around the squad. So yeah, Joe Schmidt, as we know,

1643
01:16:08,867 --> 01:16:10,987
Speaker 12: he's a guy that's really comfortable in his own skin

1644
01:16:11,067 --> 01:16:15,627
Speaker 12: about what each player brings and he's had to found

1645
01:16:15,827 --> 01:16:19,867
Speaker 12: times something after what happened to Noel Alessio last week

1646
01:16:19,907 --> 01:16:23,507
Speaker 12: against VG. So the word is that Tom Lioner probably

1647
01:16:23,547 --> 01:16:27,347
Speaker 12: had the inside running. Incidentally, apparently he'll become the first

1648
01:16:28,787 --> 01:16:31,387
Speaker 12: son of a father who also played against the Lions,

1649
01:16:31,907 --> 01:16:34,867
Speaker 12: Michael back in nine and eighty nine if Tom players

1650
01:16:34,947 --> 01:16:38,467
Speaker 12: against against the Lions, so it's a bit of history

1651
01:16:38,507 --> 01:16:42,227
Speaker 12: for the family. But yeah, James O'Connor, why not cover

1652
01:16:42,307 --> 01:16:47,187
Speaker 12: it's not exactly brimming with ten's over here, so yeah,

1653
01:16:47,347 --> 01:16:47,947
Speaker 12: get him in there.

1654
01:16:48,067 --> 01:16:50,307
Speaker 3: Well, they absolutely loved him at the Crusaders and he

1655
01:16:50,427 --> 01:16:53,187
Speaker 3: did play very much a backup role there. You know,

1656
01:16:53,387 --> 01:16:55,547
Speaker 3: even though he was more experienced, far more experienced than

1657
01:16:55,587 --> 01:16:57,627
Speaker 3: the teams they had, he played a backup role and

1658
01:16:57,707 --> 01:17:00,147
Speaker 3: they loved him there. So so good to see him

1659
01:17:00,147 --> 01:17:02,307
Speaker 3: back in there and with a chance to play against

1660
01:17:02,347 --> 01:17:05,747
Speaker 3: the British and Irish Lions. To cricket, Mitchell Stark is

1661
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:08,227
Speaker 3: going to play one hundredth Test when Australia meet the

1662
01:17:08,267 --> 01:17:11,387
Speaker 3: West and he's a Sabina Park starting tomorrow sixteenth Australian

1663
01:17:11,467 --> 01:17:13,707
Speaker 3: to do that, just the second fast bowler after Glenn

1664
01:17:13,747 --> 01:17:17,107
Speaker 3: McGrath and needs five more wickets for four hundred and

1665
01:17:17,227 --> 01:17:20,107
Speaker 3: Test cricket. Where does Mitchell Stark stand among your cricket

1666
01:17:20,187 --> 01:17:20,667
Speaker 3: and greats.

1667
01:17:22,067 --> 01:17:24,947
Speaker 12: He's won of my phase, and not just due to

1668
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:26,907
Speaker 12: the fact that his wife actually sits next to me

1669
01:17:26,987 --> 01:17:30,307
Speaker 12: on a podcast we do together and he comes on

1670
01:17:30,627 --> 01:17:32,747
Speaker 12: from time to time and proudly wears his Willow.

1671
01:17:32,587 --> 01:17:34,187
Speaker 2: Talk cat in Jamaica.

1672
01:17:34,227 --> 01:17:36,187
Speaker 12: He's an interview with us the other day. I know

1673
01:17:36,427 --> 01:17:40,227
Speaker 12: he had the T shirt on. But great guy, really humble.

1674
01:17:40,907 --> 01:17:43,587
Speaker 12: Can't work out why there's the fuss for him. One

1675
01:17:43,627 --> 01:17:46,467
Speaker 12: hundred tests. It's one of those shut up, Mitchell, one

1676
01:17:46,507 --> 01:17:49,067
Speaker 12: hundred tests, Take all the floid it's made. But that's

1677
01:17:49,187 --> 01:17:52,947
Speaker 12: just not him. He's just a low key guy, plays

1678
01:17:52,987 --> 01:17:56,147
Speaker 12: through a fair bit of pains. I look at his stats.

1679
01:17:56,187 --> 01:17:58,667
Speaker 12: He's only gone of those ninety nine that he's played

1680
01:17:58,707 --> 01:18:00,707
Speaker 12: so far, and I dare say a little bit of

1681
01:18:00,787 --> 01:18:04,227
Speaker 12: the case in the hundredths that he's taken a wicket

1682
01:18:04,547 --> 01:18:07,147
Speaker 12: in ninety six of his ninety nine Test is gone

1683
01:18:07,187 --> 01:18:11,987
Speaker 12: wickedless only in three Test matches over that time. That's

1684
01:18:11,987 --> 01:18:14,107
Speaker 12: a pretty good record. That's a pretty good strike rate

1685
01:18:15,227 --> 01:18:17,427
Speaker 12: to take at least one wicked in the Test match

1686
01:18:18,027 --> 01:18:19,907
Speaker 12: that he's played, and that's what he's there for, to

1687
01:18:19,947 --> 01:18:22,427
Speaker 12: take wickeds. But sometimes it doesn't work. It shows the

1688
01:18:22,467 --> 01:18:24,347
Speaker 12: class of the guy and the longevity and everything. And

1689
01:18:24,867 --> 01:18:26,987
Speaker 12: he gets every reported that he doesn't want at the moment.

1690
01:18:27,907 --> 01:18:30,907
Speaker 3: Well they deserved, absolutely deserve. We'll look forward to seeing him.

1691
01:18:31,507 --> 01:18:33,067
Speaker 3: I was going to say, raise the bat, that's the

1692
01:18:33,147 --> 01:18:35,707
Speaker 3: wrong phrase. It's the right sport, but it's the wrong phrase.

1693
01:18:36,027 --> 01:18:37,747
Speaker 4: Raise the ball. There you go, Mitchell Stark.

1694
01:18:38,067 --> 01:18:40,507
Speaker 3: There's one hundredth Test tomorrow and just to finish in

1695
01:18:40,587 --> 01:18:44,787
Speaker 3: the FC I see seeking millions of dollars in compensation

1696
01:18:44,947 --> 01:18:47,467
Speaker 3: from venues New South Wales. This is to do with

1697
01:18:47,587 --> 01:18:52,107
Speaker 3: Alien Stadium their home ground and it's faltering drainage system.

1698
01:18:52,147 --> 01:18:52,987
Speaker 4: Can you tell us about this?

1699
01:18:53,907 --> 01:18:57,947
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, basically the early out stadium when it rains

1700
01:18:57,947 --> 01:19:01,427
Speaker 12: a bit, and especially if they get the galloping herd

1701
01:19:01,467 --> 01:19:06,747
Speaker 12: of thirty rugby union players playing on it, it resembles. Yeah,

1702
01:19:06,827 --> 01:19:10,787
Speaker 12: it's like it's just been like it drops birthday cake.

1703
01:19:11,067 --> 01:19:16,707
Speaker 12: Basically the surface off. It's horrible. It is absolutely horrible

1704
01:19:16,707 --> 01:19:19,147
Speaker 12: and made stuffs up and like keep I'm telling me believed,

1705
01:19:19,347 --> 01:19:21,947
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we got world class stadiums, and I was like, no, don't.

1706
01:19:22,667 --> 01:19:26,147
Speaker 12: You've got world start class spectator stadiums. You don't have

1707
01:19:26,627 --> 01:19:31,107
Speaker 12: world class sporting stadiums because the last thing that tends

1708
01:19:31,107 --> 01:19:33,947
Speaker 12: to be thought of is the actual playing surface. Which

1709
01:19:34,227 --> 01:19:36,427
Speaker 12: I we winge about it. Finey don't we as a

1710
01:19:36,507 --> 01:19:40,147
Speaker 12: sortall fan that that's us. But it got out quite

1711
01:19:40,187 --> 01:19:42,827
Speaker 12: dangerous for a ruged League game last year. It's horrible.

1712
01:19:42,947 --> 01:19:44,987
Speaker 12: So I don't know what's happened, if they've got crap

1713
01:19:45,067 --> 01:19:47,427
Speaker 12: soil in there, or they've come up with a new

1714
01:19:47,507 --> 01:19:49,827
Speaker 12: age plan that just simply hasn't worked, but they they've

1715
01:19:49,827 --> 01:19:51,427
Speaker 12: got to fix it. The poots in the FC, the

1716
01:19:51,507 --> 01:19:52,827
Speaker 12: ones that are going to be kicked out at home

1717
01:19:52,907 --> 01:19:55,587
Speaker 12: for two to three months. Well they fixed the damn

1718
01:19:55,627 --> 01:19:58,027
Speaker 12: thing in the growing months, so it's and then they'll

1719
01:19:58,067 --> 01:19:59,427
Speaker 12: go and have a concert on it, and then the

1720
01:19:59,467 --> 01:20:01,627
Speaker 12: same thing will happen in twelve months time. They'll go, oh,

1721
01:20:01,947 --> 01:20:04,707
Speaker 12: why isn't this working? Well, you get forty thousand people

1722
01:20:05,267 --> 01:20:07,707
Speaker 12: dancing up and down and concert three times a year,

1723
01:20:07,707 --> 01:20:11,307
Speaker 12: it's gonna not great for your glasshill. So sorry, it's

1724
01:20:11,307 --> 01:20:12,867
Speaker 12: a bug bear of mind. Fine, because I love.

1725
01:20:12,827 --> 01:20:15,387
Speaker 4: My lawn and this really annoys me as I can

1726
01:20:15,467 --> 01:20:17,307
Speaker 4: tell and look, and you're so right.

1727
01:20:17,587 --> 01:20:19,507
Speaker 3: Football needs to be played on a surface that is

1728
01:20:19,547 --> 01:20:23,027
Speaker 3: conducive to well playing football really, so yeah, let's hope

1729
01:20:23,067 --> 01:20:24,987
Speaker 3: they can sort things out at Elian Stadium.

1730
01:20:24,987 --> 01:20:27,227
Speaker 4: Always good catching up, Adam. Enjoy your weekend mate. We'll

1731
01:20:27,587 --> 01:20:28,547
Speaker 4: cheat again next Saturday.

1732
01:20:28,907 --> 01:20:30,867
Speaker 8: That's rights all good, No, thank you mate.

1733
01:20:30,907 --> 01:20:33,947
Speaker 3: That iss Adam Peacock arrostrating correspondent around this time every

1734
01:20:34,107 --> 01:20:36,627
Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon here on weekend Sport, which is coming to

1735
01:20:36,667 --> 01:20:40,427
Speaker 3: you from an increasingly vibrant Shed twenty two and downtown

1736
01:20:40,467 --> 01:20:43,387
Speaker 3: Wellington today as we build towards the Test match tonight

1737
01:20:43,427 --> 01:20:46,507
Speaker 3: and of course the women's International Black Ferns against Australia

1738
01:20:46,547 --> 01:20:49,187
Speaker 3: from four point thirty this afternoon at the same venue.

1739
01:20:49,187 --> 01:20:52,747
Speaker 3: An international double header in Wellington this weekend. We're back

1740
01:20:52,787 --> 01:20:54,107
Speaker 3: in the eight two to two.

1741
01:20:58,467 --> 01:21:00,987
Speaker 1: Lave from Shed twenty two and Wellington ahead of the

1742
01:21:01,027 --> 01:21:04,587
Speaker 1: All Lacks Fee France weekend Sport with Jaas and Pine

1743
01:21:04,907 --> 01:21:08,467
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gardner Home New Zealand's most trusted home builder

1744
01:21:08,587 --> 01:21:10,947
Speaker 1: on your Home of Sport News Talks'd be.

1745
01:21:11,627 --> 01:21:13,107
Speaker 4: Five to two on text from Joe.

1746
01:21:13,387 --> 01:21:16,347
Speaker 3: I hope Razy gives Billy Proctor more tests to settle

1747
01:21:16,427 --> 01:21:19,187
Speaker 3: into center. It took a while from Ananu to become

1748
01:21:19,227 --> 01:21:21,067
Speaker 3: the player he was after starting on the wing and

1749
01:21:21,187 --> 01:21:23,907
Speaker 3: with time in the saddle alongside Conrad Smith. Our best

1750
01:21:23,907 --> 01:21:26,667
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen combinations over the years have been when the

1751
01:21:26,787 --> 01:21:31,067
Speaker 3: centers have played consistently together over long periods, whether at

1752
01:21:31,147 --> 01:21:34,147
Speaker 3: Super level or earlier times when the MPC was strong

1753
01:21:34,267 --> 01:21:36,947
Speaker 3: in the Province's Joe, It's a great point and I

1754
01:21:37,027 --> 01:21:39,627
Speaker 3: guess in the favor of Billy Proctor is that he

1755
01:21:39,707 --> 01:21:44,707
Speaker 3: plays super rugby alongside Jordi Barrett, who I think in

1756
01:21:44,827 --> 01:21:48,707
Speaker 3: the eyes of most observers will be our long term well,

1757
01:21:48,747 --> 01:21:51,627
Speaker 3: certainly in this World Cup cycle anyway, second five eighth.

1758
01:21:51,707 --> 01:21:54,027
Speaker 3: So if Jordi Barrett and Billy Proctor can get some

1759
01:21:54,107 --> 01:21:56,227
Speaker 3: time in the saddle both at All Blacks level and

1760
01:21:56,347 --> 01:22:00,307
Speaker 3: Hurricanes level in that twelve thirteen combo, then it can

1761
01:22:00,387 --> 01:22:01,867
Speaker 3: only be good for both of those sides.

1762
01:22:01,907 --> 01:22:02,147
Speaker 4: Really.

1763
01:22:02,427 --> 01:22:04,787
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Hurricanes, Brad Shields as one of their

1764
01:22:04,827 --> 01:22:07,947
Speaker 3: co captains. They had four four co captains this year.

1765
01:22:08,067 --> 01:22:10,067
Speaker 3: Look what sure how that sort of came to pass,

1766
01:22:10,147 --> 01:22:13,227
Speaker 3: but they decided to split the job. Brad Shields was

1767
01:22:13,227 --> 01:22:14,907
Speaker 3: one of those co captains. He's going to pop them.

1768
01:22:15,027 --> 01:22:17,147
Speaker 3: I want to ask him about well. A couple of

1769
01:22:17,147 --> 01:22:20,067
Speaker 3: the others. Billy Proctor was one, Duplassy Khalifie another as

1770
01:22:20,347 --> 01:22:22,747
Speaker 3: One Moore was the fourth one. In case you're wondering,

1771
01:22:23,187 --> 01:22:26,347
Speaker 3: all three of those players, of course all Blacks. Brad

1772
01:22:26,387 --> 01:22:30,427
Speaker 3: Shields are former England international but still running around for

1773
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:32,587
Speaker 3: the Hurricanes and for the Wellington lines as well, and

1774
01:22:32,707 --> 01:22:35,627
Speaker 3: a couple of Phoenix players Isaac Hughes and Corbyn Piper

1775
01:22:35,707 --> 01:22:37,587
Speaker 3: is going to pop an after two o'clock as well.

1776
01:22:43,587 --> 01:22:47,507
Speaker 1: In July twelfth, the day the Old Blacks can close

1777
01:22:47,547 --> 01:22:50,227
Speaker 1: out of the series, or will the second string French

1778
01:22:50,387 --> 01:22:54,267
Speaker 1: for out of first rate performances. On coming to you

1779
01:22:54,427 --> 01:22:57,347
Speaker 1: from the Wellington waterfront, where the excitement is stronger than

1780
01:22:57,427 --> 01:23:00,507
Speaker 1: a southerly in the Capitol lay From Sheen twenty two.

1781
01:23:00,947 --> 01:23:06,747
Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Pine on your home of

1782
01:23:06,907 --> 01:23:10,307
Speaker 1: Sport News Talk sen b there.

1783
01:23:10,347 --> 01:23:12,947
Speaker 3: Welcome back into weekend sport, or welcome into weekend sport

1784
01:23:12,987 --> 01:23:14,707
Speaker 3: if you are just joining us. We're coming to your

1785
01:23:14,747 --> 01:23:17,947
Speaker 3: life from Shed twenty two on Wellington's waterfront. It's been

1786
01:23:18,507 --> 01:23:20,827
Speaker 3: humming away for the last couple of hours since we've

1787
01:23:20,867 --> 01:23:23,507
Speaker 3: been here, and that volume will only increase. Double header,

1788
01:23:23,547 --> 01:23:26,747
Speaker 3: of course at Sky Stadium this afternoon and into the evening,

1789
01:23:26,987 --> 01:23:29,427
Speaker 3: Black Ferns against Australia from four point thirty, then the All.

1790
01:23:29,387 --> 01:23:30,947
Speaker 4: Blacks France at five past seven.

1791
01:23:31,147 --> 01:23:33,267
Speaker 3: Our build up to the All Blacks game incidentally starts

1792
01:23:33,307 --> 01:23:36,267
Speaker 3: at six with commentary from just after seven Elliot Smith,

1793
01:23:36,307 --> 01:23:39,947
Speaker 3: our rugby editor and match commentator alongside Ross Bond. And

1794
01:23:39,947 --> 01:23:41,547
Speaker 3: I'll be down on the sideline, which is why I'm

1795
01:23:41,587 --> 01:23:45,667
Speaker 3: hoping that the weather plays ball this afternoon or certainly

1796
01:23:46,067 --> 01:23:48,707
Speaker 3: into the evening. Bradshield standing by the chat to us

1797
01:23:48,747 --> 01:23:50,747
Speaker 3: here at Shed twenty two. A couple of the Phoenix

1798
01:23:50,747 --> 01:23:52,267
Speaker 3: Boys are going to pop in as well. They're playing

1799
01:23:52,347 --> 01:23:56,827
Speaker 3: Wrexham at Sky Stadium next weekend. Isaac Hughes and Corbyn

1800
01:23:56,867 --> 01:23:58,267
Speaker 3: Pipe are going to pop in for a chat. Your

1801
01:23:58,347 --> 01:24:01,387
Speaker 3: cause and correspondents continue to be welcome on eight hundred

1802
01:24:01,427 --> 01:24:03,987
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two if you

1803
01:24:04,027 --> 01:24:07,507
Speaker 3: would prefer to correspond by ten. But as we tick

1804
01:24:07,587 --> 01:24:10,107
Speaker 3: past eight past two, as we always do it about

1805
01:24:10,147 --> 01:24:11,987
Speaker 3: this time on weekends, for time to catch you off

1806
01:24:11,987 --> 01:24:14,307
Speaker 3: on a few things that you might have missed over

1807
01:24:14,307 --> 01:24:16,547
Speaker 3: the last twenty four hours or so, in case you

1808
01:24:16,627 --> 01:24:20,067
Speaker 3: missed it. Starting in the NRL, the Coronella Sharks putting

1809
01:24:20,107 --> 01:24:22,227
Speaker 3: together a fine performance over the Dolphins.

1810
01:24:22,267 --> 01:24:24,187
Speaker 4: They stay inside the top eight.

1811
01:24:25,427 --> 01:24:31,587
Speaker 8: Hines plunder love the vulpin is Cantoa.

1812
01:24:33,307 --> 01:24:39,467
Speaker 7: Plenty down for the church finishing style and hides caps

1813
01:24:39,507 --> 01:24:40,987
Speaker 7: off here his terrific night.

1814
01:24:41,507 --> 01:24:44,067
Speaker 3: The twenty four to twelve loss, however, for the Dolphins,

1815
01:24:44,107 --> 01:24:46,707
Speaker 3: sees them on the cusp of ninth, still outside the

1816
01:24:46,787 --> 01:24:47,187
Speaker 3: top eight.

1817
01:24:47,307 --> 01:24:50,187
Speaker 4: Looking in to France, we go and the Tour de France,

1818
01:24:50,227 --> 01:24:54,027
Speaker 4: the yellow jersey returning to some familiar shoulders.

1819
01:24:54,627 --> 01:24:58,667
Speaker 13: Here he goes, Now this is the sprints Pagaccia starts,

1820
01:24:58,947 --> 01:24:59,907
Speaker 13: thanker God, he's.

1821
01:24:59,787 --> 01:25:02,747
Speaker 6: Gonna go with him, but Pagecia is just powering away,

1822
01:25:03,227 --> 01:25:03,987
Speaker 6: Thank you God.

1823
01:25:03,867 --> 01:25:05,027
Speaker 8: Though he's rights in the well.

1824
01:25:05,307 --> 01:25:08,507
Speaker 4: Yeahn Banguard n begot chap, but it's so out chack

1825
01:25:08,587 --> 01:25:09,947
Speaker 4: you on the mune different time.

1826
01:25:10,147 --> 01:25:12,347
Speaker 3: Now he's off Joni's fanger.

1827
01:25:12,387 --> 01:25:14,347
Speaker 4: God here, Tyd, I forgot you sick.

1828
01:25:14,427 --> 01:25:16,227
Speaker 3: In stage one of this years Tour de France has

1829
01:25:16,347 --> 01:25:19,707
Speaker 3: lead over his nearest rival. Now it's fifty four seconds

1830
01:25:20,187 --> 01:25:22,427
Speaker 3: and still up in Europe to the grass courts. The

1831
01:25:22,627 --> 01:25:25,827
Speaker 3: final of Wimbledon will be a familiar battle.

1832
01:25:26,587 --> 01:25:31,587
Speaker 18: I talked that n when Alcoraz has grove raises his game,

1833
01:25:32,027 --> 01:25:35,947
Speaker 18: but he had to within a win of raising the

1834
01:25:36,067 --> 01:25:40,667
Speaker 18: trophy for a third straight year. Ritz elevated two fought

1835
01:25:40,707 --> 01:25:46,107
Speaker 18: to the end. The streaks continue to grow, progress and.

1836
01:25:46,427 --> 01:25:48,867
Speaker 3: Krez will try and to fend against the man that

1837
01:25:48,947 --> 01:25:50,067
Speaker 3: beat Novak Djokovic.

1838
01:25:50,107 --> 01:25:52,507
Speaker 4: Twelve number one nanicksoner.

1839
01:25:55,187 --> 01:25:56,787
Speaker 8: Youth has served up center court.

1840
01:25:57,627 --> 01:26:01,307
Speaker 4: World number one shows the strength of his game.

1841
01:26:02,387 --> 01:26:09,067
Speaker 8: Mis Djokovic depleted show great we do all the ime?

1842
01:26:10,227 --> 01:26:12,747
Speaker 1: Was he going to be a gulf when it's down

1843
01:26:12,827 --> 01:26:16,107
Speaker 1: to the line. You made a call on eighty ten

1844
01:26:16,227 --> 01:26:19,627
Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Payne, News Talks.

1845
01:26:19,467 --> 01:26:21,307
Speaker 4: Evy, News Talks, ab and Weekends.

1846
01:26:21,347 --> 01:26:23,867
Speaker 3: Poor bang On ten Past two Test Match Saturday Shared

1847
01:26:23,907 --> 01:26:26,707
Speaker 3: twenty two Taranaki Street Wharf. Let's bring a man who's

1848
01:26:26,707 --> 01:26:29,627
Speaker 3: been playing top level rugby four I reckon a decade

1849
01:26:29,667 --> 01:26:32,227
Speaker 3: and a half maybe more. New Zealand under twenty representative

1850
01:26:32,307 --> 01:26:34,907
Speaker 3: eighty one games for Wellington and signed on again for

1851
01:26:34,987 --> 01:26:37,067
Speaker 3: this season. One hundred and twenty eight games for the

1852
01:26:37,147 --> 01:26:40,547
Speaker 3: Hurricanes between twenty twelve and the season just completed, with

1853
01:26:40,707 --> 01:26:43,747
Speaker 3: more to come. Three years at Wasps in England, eight

1854
01:26:43,787 --> 01:26:46,907
Speaker 3: Test matches for England in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen.

1855
01:26:47,227 --> 01:26:48,107
Speaker 4: Brad Shields, Hello.

1856
01:26:48,027 --> 01:26:50,027
Speaker 8: Mate, good afternoon. Thanks having me.

1857
01:26:50,587 --> 01:26:52,587
Speaker 3: It's good to have you pop in on Test Match Saturday.

1858
01:26:52,627 --> 01:26:54,867
Speaker 3: We had some Dane Coleson before. You might have heard

1859
01:26:54,867 --> 01:26:56,347
Speaker 3: a bit of the chat. Was he a guy you

1860
01:26:56,507 --> 01:26:57,587
Speaker 3: enjoyed going into battle with?

1861
01:26:57,667 --> 01:26:58,227
Speaker 4: Dane Colson?

1862
01:26:58,667 --> 01:27:00,867
Speaker 11: If there's one guy who you'd always won on the

1863
01:27:00,907 --> 01:27:04,227
Speaker 11: team Shoenix for you as probably him And to be

1864
01:27:04,307 --> 01:27:08,067
Speaker 11: fair like without blowing too much smoke, he's probably one

1865
01:27:08,067 --> 01:27:09,907
Speaker 11: of the guys that I modeled, not just you know

1866
01:27:09,987 --> 01:27:13,547
Speaker 11: rugby obviously different positions, but life in general, and and

1867
01:27:13,707 --> 01:27:16,147
Speaker 11: maybe my family and the way I do things.

1868
01:27:16,267 --> 01:27:17,307
Speaker 8: You know, we're very similar.

1869
01:27:17,867 --> 01:27:19,467
Speaker 11: He's probably a bit more hard nosed than I am,

1870
01:27:19,587 --> 01:27:21,427
Speaker 11: but I made it to be to be in sort

1871
01:27:21,427 --> 01:27:23,107
Speaker 11: of the same team as him, and and sort of

1872
01:27:23,147 --> 01:27:25,227
Speaker 11: looking up to somebody in the same team a little

1873
01:27:25,267 --> 01:27:26,707
Speaker 11: bit older than he was pretty cool when he took

1874
01:27:26,707 --> 01:27:29,387
Speaker 11: me under his wing along with Thrushy so top absolute

1875
01:27:29,427 --> 01:27:30,587
Speaker 11: top bloke. And I listened to him on the way

1876
01:27:30,627 --> 01:27:32,907
Speaker 11: in today and he's just so raw and and and

1877
01:27:33,067 --> 01:27:35,267
Speaker 11: doesn't doesn't hold back in terms of how his emotions are,

1878
01:27:35,347 --> 01:27:37,667
Speaker 11: and I think that's credit to who he is and

1879
01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:38,587
Speaker 11: how he's been brought up.

1880
01:27:38,787 --> 01:27:41,147
Speaker 4: So the other one you mentioned, what Jeremy Thrush, Yeah

1881
01:27:41,227 --> 01:27:42,147
Speaker 4: he was.

1882
01:27:42,507 --> 01:27:44,507
Speaker 11: He actually gave me my first pair of free ruggue

1883
01:27:44,507 --> 01:27:47,147
Speaker 11: boots apart from Ford, New Zealand twenties, but he gave

1884
01:27:47,267 --> 01:27:49,467
Speaker 11: my first pair of boots and with Essex and I

1885
01:27:49,547 --> 01:27:52,627
Speaker 11: never looked back since the white pair, so matey.

1886
01:27:52,907 --> 01:27:53,507
Speaker 8: They were good for me.

1887
01:27:53,627 --> 01:27:56,627
Speaker 11: And coming out of school into those environments is pretty daunting,

1888
01:27:56,707 --> 01:27:57,987
Speaker 11: but to have a couple of guys who have been

1889
01:27:58,067 --> 01:28:00,867
Speaker 11: there and sort of paving the way for us was

1890
01:28:01,107 --> 01:28:01,547
Speaker 11: pretty cool.

1891
01:28:01,787 --> 01:28:03,187
Speaker 3: And he didn't come out of one of the so

1892
01:28:03,427 --> 01:28:07,747
Speaker 3: called you know, strong rugby schools, the Auckland gram Wellington

1893
01:28:07,787 --> 01:28:08,947
Speaker 3: College and pat Silver Streams.

1894
01:28:08,947 --> 01:28:10,307
Speaker 4: So the world tight to college for you.

1895
01:28:10,747 --> 01:28:12,787
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean I can't say we were the

1896
01:28:13,667 --> 01:28:15,667
Speaker 11: played the best rugby at school, but we love what

1897
01:28:15,747 --> 01:28:18,587
Speaker 11: we did and and I probably regret a little bit now,

1898
01:28:18,667 --> 01:28:19,947
Speaker 11: but I went to school to eat my lunch and

1899
01:28:19,987 --> 01:28:22,627
Speaker 11: play rugby and and managed to get into the system

1900
01:28:22,627 --> 01:28:25,067
Speaker 11: when I was when I was quite young, So I

1901
01:28:25,107 --> 01:28:26,747
Speaker 11: don't regret anything about going to Tider College.

1902
01:28:26,747 --> 01:28:27,227
Speaker 8: And I've got some.

1903
01:28:27,267 --> 01:28:31,427
Speaker 11: Lifelong mates that played rugby, and guys like maybe not

1904
01:28:31,507 --> 01:28:33,587
Speaker 11: know the name, but Michael Kaye played from his Yellow Molds,

1905
01:28:33,667 --> 01:28:36,427
Speaker 11: Nigea Wong who played in Australia and paid for money

1906
01:28:36,507 --> 01:28:38,387
Speaker 11: some more. So you know, we've had some real good

1907
01:28:38,427 --> 01:28:40,827
Speaker 11: success in our in our schooling, and guys like George

1908
01:28:40,867 --> 01:28:43,187
Speaker 11: Bower as well, who who's now sort.

1909
01:28:43,027 --> 01:28:45,187
Speaker 8: Of in the in the All Blacks quite consistently.

1910
01:28:45,347 --> 01:28:48,987
Speaker 11: So yeah, we punched above our weight and certainly enjoyed

1911
01:28:48,987 --> 01:28:50,587
Speaker 11: our rugby and enjoyed our enjoyed.

1912
01:28:50,387 --> 01:28:50,947
Speaker 8: Our time there.

1913
01:28:51,147 --> 01:28:53,507
Speaker 3: You have just even talking about a decade and a

1914
01:28:53,547 --> 01:28:55,467
Speaker 3: half and reeling off some of those stats, the games

1915
01:28:55,507 --> 01:28:58,427
Speaker 3: you've played, the number of people you must have played.

1916
01:28:58,187 --> 01:29:00,747
Speaker 4: Worth and against, And I mean, do you still sort

1917
01:29:00,747 --> 01:29:01,227
Speaker 4: of bump.

1918
01:29:01,067 --> 01:29:04,107
Speaker 3: Into people and and sort of reconnect, you know, even

1919
01:29:04,227 --> 01:29:04,947
Speaker 3: years later.

1920
01:29:05,347 --> 01:29:06,987
Speaker 11: All the time, all the time, And I think, like

1921
01:29:07,827 --> 01:29:09,707
Speaker 11: I was just saying before to one of the one

1922
01:29:09,707 --> 01:29:11,907
Speaker 11: of the guys you came on the show later, like

1923
01:29:12,147 --> 01:29:13,947
Speaker 11: I'm from Stokes Valley and I didn't realize we went

1924
01:29:14,027 --> 01:29:15,187
Speaker 11: to primary school with them.

1925
01:29:15,227 --> 01:29:15,747
Speaker 8: But even going to.

1926
01:29:15,787 --> 01:29:17,547
Speaker 11: South of France and perpen Young, like playing against a

1927
01:29:17,547 --> 01:29:20,347
Speaker 11: couple of guys from Wainui, you end up say that

1928
01:29:20,427 --> 01:29:22,667
Speaker 11: one degree of separation, you end up seeing the same

1929
01:29:22,747 --> 01:29:24,827
Speaker 11: guys or playing with the same guys. We're playing against

1930
01:29:24,867 --> 01:29:27,267
Speaker 11: them throughout your whole career and even opportunity to play

1931
01:29:27,267 --> 01:29:29,787
Speaker 11: for the Barbarians up in the UK and twenty sixteen,

1932
01:29:29,907 --> 01:29:31,947
Speaker 11: Like some of those guys you see, you know once

1933
01:29:31,987 --> 01:29:34,027
Speaker 11: every couple of years, but it's like yesterday you played

1934
01:29:34,067 --> 01:29:36,587
Speaker 11: with them. So that's one of the bonuses that rugby

1935
01:29:36,627 --> 01:29:38,827
Speaker 11: gives you a bit of a family outside of your family.

1936
01:29:38,947 --> 01:29:40,587
Speaker 8: So it's it's pretty.

1937
01:29:40,307 --> 01:29:41,787
Speaker 11: Cool to be a part of and we're very lucky

1938
01:29:41,867 --> 01:29:44,187
Speaker 11: to be in a sport that gives you so much

1939
01:29:44,227 --> 01:29:45,307
Speaker 11: as well, you.

1940
01:29:45,347 --> 01:29:47,667
Speaker 4: Of course left New Zealand to chase your test dream

1941
01:29:47,827 --> 01:29:48,347
Speaker 4: with England.

1942
01:29:48,747 --> 01:29:52,107
Speaker 3: Can you about this background noises people getting a bit

1943
01:29:52,147 --> 01:29:55,867
Speaker 3: excited about about the Can you tell us about how

1944
01:29:55,947 --> 01:29:58,067
Speaker 3: you came to that decision and how difficult it was.

1945
01:29:58,107 --> 01:29:58,427
Speaker 4: To make it?

1946
01:29:58,667 --> 01:30:01,347
Speaker 11: Yeah, to be honest, it was probably about a six

1947
01:30:01,467 --> 01:30:04,147
Speaker 11: month decision that weighed on my shoulders for a long time.

1948
01:30:04,267 --> 01:30:08,107
Speaker 11: And I guess every sort of kid in New Zealand

1949
01:30:08,107 --> 01:30:09,907
Speaker 11: the spires to play for the All Blacks and something

1950
01:30:09,947 --> 01:30:11,627
Speaker 11: that I definitely did, and obviously got a little bit

1951
01:30:11,667 --> 01:30:14,427
Speaker 11: of taste of the camp and playing super rugby against

1952
01:30:14,427 --> 01:30:17,027
Speaker 11: some of the greats, and and I didn't take it

1953
01:30:17,187 --> 01:30:17,627
Speaker 11: very lightly.

1954
01:30:17,707 --> 01:30:19,667
Speaker 8: And I think where I got to my career, I

1955
01:30:20,227 --> 01:30:20,507
Speaker 8: don't know.

1956
01:30:20,627 --> 01:30:22,667
Speaker 11: Maybe I sort of reached my ceiling in New Zealand

1957
01:30:22,707 --> 01:30:24,627
Speaker 11: and and I knew I had an opportunity to play

1958
01:30:24,667 --> 01:30:27,907
Speaker 11: in England through my parents were born there and and

1959
01:30:28,107 --> 01:30:30,347
Speaker 11: and you know, it was just a good chance, an

1960
01:30:30,347 --> 01:30:32,947
Speaker 11: opportunity for me, and I'll be at the time, I thought,

1961
01:30:32,987 --> 01:30:34,427
Speaker 11: you know, it was silly to turn it down. And

1962
01:30:35,147 --> 01:30:37,227
Speaker 11: obviously I'd been playing super rugby for eight years, so

1963
01:30:37,707 --> 01:30:39,347
Speaker 11: I was like, man, I might need telling you here

1964
01:30:39,427 --> 01:30:42,107
Speaker 11: and just kind of refresh and exactly what going to

1965
01:30:42,187 --> 01:30:44,627
Speaker 11: the UK gave me. And it was such an amazing time.

1966
01:30:44,667 --> 01:30:48,307
Speaker 11: And I was like, I was very nervous and I'm

1967
01:30:48,347 --> 01:30:49,987
Speaker 11: not sure how they were going to take it, especially

1968
01:30:49,987 --> 01:30:53,667
Speaker 11: going to the England team from Super Rugby. It's quite unusual,

1969
01:30:54,467 --> 01:30:57,227
Speaker 11: but you know I went there with and got taken

1970
01:30:57,307 --> 01:30:59,387
Speaker 11: in with open arms and and and you know, like

1971
01:30:59,627 --> 01:31:01,707
Speaker 11: rugby is a universal language and everyone's there trying to

1972
01:31:01,747 --> 01:31:04,067
Speaker 11: do the same thing. So it was a real positive

1973
01:31:04,067 --> 01:31:06,307
Speaker 11: for me and something that God laws from up a

1974
01:31:06,467 --> 01:31:09,267
Speaker 11: unity to go and play overseas and to see overseas

1975
01:31:09,307 --> 01:31:10,947
Speaker 11: as well, come out of Wellington and see the big

1976
01:31:10,987 --> 01:31:13,187
Speaker 11: wide world and especially work from Stokes Valley.

1977
01:31:13,267 --> 01:31:14,667
Speaker 8: Not not many people get that opportunity.

1978
01:31:14,827 --> 01:31:18,147
Speaker 11: So yeah, it was a tough decision but something that

1979
01:31:18,347 --> 01:31:20,707
Speaker 11: you know, I guess opened my eyes to rugby and

1980
01:31:20,827 --> 01:31:21,147
Speaker 11: the world.

1981
01:31:21,507 --> 01:31:23,827
Speaker 3: Who drove the culture in that England team that you

1982
01:31:23,907 --> 01:31:27,347
Speaker 3: were part of in twenty eighteen nineteen and enabled you

1983
01:31:27,467 --> 01:31:29,067
Speaker 3: to fit in so seamlessly.

1984
01:31:29,227 --> 01:31:32,947
Speaker 11: Yeah, I look at everyone was really good and like

1985
01:31:33,027 --> 01:31:35,587
Speaker 11: someone like Jamie George who who's still playing now for

1986
01:31:35,627 --> 01:31:38,427
Speaker 11: England and playing some bloody good rugby is you know

1987
01:31:38,507 --> 01:31:41,187
Speaker 11: that guys like Owen Pharaoh and George Ford, like their

1988
01:31:41,267 --> 01:31:42,987
Speaker 11: standards are so high in the way they wanted to

1989
01:31:43,067 --> 01:31:46,107
Speaker 11: train and play. Someone like Steve Borthworck, who's now coaching,

1990
01:31:46,227 --> 01:31:48,267
Speaker 11: is like some of those training sessons are probably.

1991
01:31:48,027 --> 01:31:49,667
Speaker 8: The hardest I've ever been a part of.

1992
01:31:49,787 --> 01:31:52,747
Speaker 11: And to be under Eddie Jones was a bit of

1993
01:31:52,747 --> 01:31:54,347
Speaker 11: a rollercoaster rider, But I mean I got on with

1994
01:31:54,387 --> 01:31:56,387
Speaker 11: it pretty well and it's probably got the best of

1995
01:31:56,467 --> 01:31:58,547
Speaker 11: best out of me in terms of rugby when I

1996
01:31:58,587 --> 01:32:01,107
Speaker 11: went up there, so absolute privilege to be a part

1997
01:32:01,107 --> 01:32:03,107
Speaker 11: of that group and they've got a lot of history

1998
01:32:03,107 --> 01:32:06,667
Speaker 11: as well like that, you know, almost like the the

1999
01:32:06,747 --> 01:32:09,827
Speaker 11: birthplace of rugby where they were. And to be a

2000
01:32:09,867 --> 01:32:12,467
Speaker 11: part of a team that was so driven and maybe

2001
01:32:12,787 --> 01:32:14,227
Speaker 11: along the way kind of got up in a roller

2002
01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:16,667
Speaker 11: coach from terms of results, but to go onto a

2003
01:32:16,747 --> 01:32:19,987
Speaker 11: team that just wanted to dominate the world was pretty cool.

2004
01:32:20,187 --> 01:32:22,547
Speaker 4: And what about the fans, Brad, did they acceipt you? Okay?

2005
01:32:23,187 --> 01:32:25,587
Speaker 8: I think so, I won't lie.

2006
01:32:25,627 --> 01:32:27,227
Speaker 11: I turned off my social media for a little bit

2007
01:32:27,267 --> 01:32:30,307
Speaker 11: because I think there was a bit of negative criticism

2008
01:32:30,387 --> 01:32:30,947
Speaker 11: coming my way.

2009
01:32:31,027 --> 01:32:32,707
Speaker 8: But you know, that's to be expected.

2010
01:32:32,747 --> 01:32:36,307
Speaker 11: And I guess my circumstance was so unusual, and you've

2011
01:32:36,347 --> 01:32:38,747
Speaker 11: seen it with other guys like Gems gives the Park

2012
01:32:38,787 --> 01:32:41,427
Speaker 11: and and Lo for example, we played for Ireland.

2013
01:32:41,147 --> 01:32:44,187
Speaker 8: And it's it's a little bit awkward, but at the same.

2014
01:32:44,067 --> 01:32:46,347
Speaker 11: Time, like's, I guess if you take it into the

2015
01:32:46,387 --> 01:32:49,267
Speaker 11: real world, it's you know, a promotion in your job,

2016
01:32:49,307 --> 01:32:50,627
Speaker 11: You're probably not going to turn it down if you

2017
01:32:50,707 --> 01:32:51,547
Speaker 11: go into another business.

2018
01:32:51,627 --> 01:32:54,067
Speaker 8: So it was an opportunity to me I couldn't turn down.

2019
01:32:54,147 --> 01:32:56,707
Speaker 11: And like I said before, like gave me and my

2020
01:32:56,787 --> 01:32:59,227
Speaker 11: family an opportunity to travel the world and give my

2021
01:32:59,347 --> 01:33:01,627
Speaker 11: kids a little bit of an experience. And my daughter

2022
01:33:01,747 --> 01:33:03,387
Speaker 11: was six months old when we traveled over there. My

2023
01:33:03,467 --> 01:33:07,747
Speaker 11: wife absolutely gave up everything to follow me, like I

2024
01:33:07,947 --> 01:33:10,547
Speaker 11: owe a lot of everything to what they to them.

2025
01:33:10,587 --> 01:33:12,267
Speaker 11: And my son was born in England, so now he's

2026
01:33:12,267 --> 01:33:14,947
Speaker 11: got an English passport, so that's pretty cool. I don't

2027
01:33:14,947 --> 01:33:18,147
Speaker 11: think there's many many sports or many walks of life

2028
01:33:18,147 --> 01:33:20,747
Speaker 11: where you get these multiple opportunities, So I'm pretty lucky.

2029
01:33:21,267 --> 01:33:21,787
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

2030
01:33:21,867 --> 01:33:24,307
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's circle back to where we are now.

2031
01:33:24,787 --> 01:33:27,547
Speaker 3: You're still going in a really brutal rugby position the

2032
01:33:27,587 --> 01:33:28,147
Speaker 3: loose forwards.

2033
01:33:28,187 --> 01:33:31,907
Speaker 4: I'm not a place for the fainthearted. What's the secret

2034
01:33:31,947 --> 01:33:34,547
Speaker 4: of your longevity which has still got some more seasons

2035
01:33:34,627 --> 01:33:34,947
Speaker 4: to run?

2036
01:33:35,147 --> 01:33:37,467
Speaker 11: Yeah, he calls it again, said before he's I don't

2037
01:33:37,467 --> 01:33:40,027
Speaker 11: miss the contacts. And I remember when I first came

2038
01:33:40,067 --> 01:33:43,067
Speaker 11: back and I started watching a suffer one more playing

2039
01:33:43,147 --> 01:33:45,987
Speaker 11: and putting some shots on. I wasn't able to play

2040
01:33:46,027 --> 01:33:47,547
Speaker 11: the first game, and I was like, I don't know

2041
01:33:47,547 --> 01:33:49,427
Speaker 11: if I want to play I want to play rope anymore.

2042
01:33:50,347 --> 01:33:52,587
Speaker 11: But I guess is it's the passion. It's it's the

2043
01:33:52,667 --> 01:33:54,547
Speaker 11: love of the game that sort of keeps you amongst it.

2044
01:33:54,707 --> 01:33:57,467
Speaker 11: And and that's something like if you're not enjoying what

2045
01:33:57,547 --> 01:33:59,907
Speaker 11: you're doing, then that's pretty hard. And there's been some

2046
01:34:00,027 --> 01:34:02,467
Speaker 11: challenging times. But you know, I guess trying to look

2047
01:34:02,507 --> 01:34:05,307
Speaker 11: after your body and stay motivated as probably one of

2048
01:34:05,347 --> 01:34:05,987
Speaker 11: the hardest things.

2049
01:34:06,027 --> 01:34:08,827
Speaker 8: And it's not it's not the playing. The playing is probably.

2050
01:34:08,787 --> 01:34:10,827
Speaker 11: Although it's the hardest part, probably the easiest part at

2051
01:34:10,867 --> 01:34:13,027
Speaker 11: the same time, because that's that's your test match every week,

2052
01:34:13,067 --> 01:34:16,747
Speaker 11: that's your what you're striving toward as a training, putting

2053
01:34:16,787 --> 01:34:20,067
Speaker 11: your body through vigorous sort of training methods and recovery.

2054
01:34:19,747 --> 01:34:21,707
Speaker 8: And eating right all the time. You just switched on

2055
01:34:21,827 --> 01:34:22,507
Speaker 8: twenty four seven.

2056
01:34:22,627 --> 01:34:24,747
Speaker 11: So I guess it's just trying to have a nice

2057
01:34:24,787 --> 01:34:26,787
Speaker 11: balance outside as well. And I probably haven't been the

2058
01:34:26,827 --> 01:34:29,787
Speaker 11: best of having a balance, you know, without with rugby

2059
01:34:29,867 --> 01:34:32,667
Speaker 11: outside and in my life. But you know, Rugby's given

2060
01:34:32,707 --> 01:34:35,187
Speaker 11: me everything. And and like I said, I've got the

2061
01:34:35,187 --> 01:34:37,667
Speaker 11: support of my family and that's that's amazing. That's what

2062
01:34:37,747 --> 01:34:39,867
Speaker 11: they keep me going. And now to have kids sort

2063
01:34:39,907 --> 01:34:42,827
Speaker 11: of looking up to me and and trying to show

2064
01:34:42,907 --> 01:34:44,907
Speaker 11: them what's possible and try and be a really good

2065
01:34:44,947 --> 01:34:47,227
Speaker 11: role model for them is really important as well. So

2066
01:34:47,547 --> 01:34:49,067
Speaker 11: it's quite cool to see smile on their face when

2067
01:34:49,067 --> 01:34:49,947
Speaker 11: they say the dad run out.

2068
01:34:50,067 --> 01:34:52,427
Speaker 3: I bet, I bet how much chanced the way you

2069
01:34:52,587 --> 01:34:54,507
Speaker 3: recover after games had to change.

2070
01:34:55,187 --> 01:34:56,747
Speaker 11: Oh, I think maybe it takes me another couple of

2071
01:34:56,787 --> 01:35:00,147
Speaker 11: days now, But I think it's just moving with the times.

2072
01:35:00,187 --> 01:35:02,067
Speaker 11: Like gone of the days where you sort of go

2073
01:35:02,227 --> 01:35:04,107
Speaker 11: out on a Saturday night until six am in the

2074
01:35:04,147 --> 01:35:05,747
Speaker 11: morning and rock up to the pol session.

2075
01:35:05,507 --> 01:35:07,307
Speaker 8: And you're you're willing lines number ones.

2076
01:35:08,907 --> 01:35:10,427
Speaker 11: It's more or less maybe sit down and have a

2077
01:35:10,467 --> 01:35:12,347
Speaker 11: couple of glass of red wine. And chill out and

2078
01:35:12,427 --> 01:35:14,667
Speaker 11: then do something active the next day. And I think

2079
01:35:15,027 --> 01:35:16,787
Speaker 11: that's the one thing where rugby has grown is sort

2080
01:35:16,787 --> 01:35:19,427
Speaker 11: of the tools that you're given to be the best

2081
01:35:19,427 --> 01:35:21,747
Speaker 11: player is just unreal. And you can see that where

2082
01:35:21,747 --> 01:35:25,067
Speaker 11: we are at ndcis it's a pretty unique scenario in

2083
01:35:25,147 --> 01:35:27,467
Speaker 11: terms where we train, and we're pretty lucky to have

2084
01:35:27,547 --> 01:35:29,547
Speaker 11: what we do. And I guess that's a massive part

2085
01:35:29,627 --> 01:35:31,907
Speaker 11: of long jeviten rugby is how you look after your

2086
01:35:31,947 --> 01:35:34,427
Speaker 11: body and how you're smart about things. And I've always thought,

2087
01:35:34,947 --> 01:35:37,347
Speaker 11: you know, work hard, to work hard, to work harder,

2088
01:35:37,387 --> 01:35:39,267
Speaker 11: but sometimes it's a little bit work smarter and look

2089
01:35:39,307 --> 01:35:39,907
Speaker 11: after your body.

2090
01:35:40,347 --> 01:35:42,427
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about a couple of your teammates.

2091
01:35:42,667 --> 01:35:45,427
Speaker 3: Duplessi Califi is the first one, a guy you know well,

2092
01:35:45,507 --> 01:35:48,427
Speaker 3: part of the loose Ford cohorts at the Hurricanes. Can

2093
01:35:48,507 --> 01:35:50,707
Speaker 3: you tell us about what you've seen from him in

2094
01:35:50,787 --> 01:35:52,947
Speaker 3: the last little while which has led to his elevation

2095
01:35:53,107 --> 01:35:54,227
Speaker 3: to finally becoming all black.

2096
01:35:54,387 --> 01:35:54,547
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2097
01:35:54,667 --> 01:35:57,027
Speaker 11: I just think he you know, I was so proud

2098
01:35:57,027 --> 01:35:58,947
Speaker 11: of him to hear his name get called out just

2099
01:35:59,067 --> 01:36:01,427
Speaker 11: like everyone else. And they've seen seen his family how

2100
01:36:01,507 --> 01:36:03,827
Speaker 11: passionate they were for him and I know him as

2101
01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:06,427
Speaker 11: an individual, he's absolutely static to be a part of

2102
01:36:06,507 --> 01:36:08,907
Speaker 11: it and motankity any minute, for granted, in that environment

2103
01:36:08,947 --> 01:36:11,627
Speaker 11: and it's a really tough position to get into. And

2104
01:36:11,707 --> 01:36:14,587
Speaker 11: I know that from experience that loose Ford trio or

2105
01:36:14,707 --> 01:36:16,387
Speaker 11: wherever you play in the Loose Fords and New Zealand

2106
01:36:16,427 --> 01:36:18,467
Speaker 11: rugby is always going to be good players in that space.

2107
01:36:19,227 --> 01:36:22,747
Speaker 8: But his determination and work ethic and to see where.

2108
01:36:22,627 --> 01:36:24,707
Speaker 11: He's come over the last sort of eye left when

2109
01:36:24,747 --> 01:36:26,427
Speaker 11: he sort of came into the Wellington team we won

2110
01:36:26,467 --> 01:36:29,107
Speaker 11: the championship, to go back up to the premiership and

2111
01:36:29,427 --> 01:36:31,787
Speaker 11: to see his growth and development into the leader I

2112
01:36:31,827 --> 01:36:35,307
Speaker 11: suppose that he is now. I just think it just

2113
01:36:35,387 --> 01:36:37,147
Speaker 11: shows him as a person in the way he's been

2114
01:36:37,147 --> 01:36:39,027
Speaker 11: brought up is you know, he's not going to roll

2115
01:36:39,067 --> 01:36:40,427
Speaker 11: over it roll over that easy, you know.

2116
01:36:40,667 --> 01:36:41,987
Speaker 8: And we're just really proud of him.

2117
01:36:42,387 --> 01:36:43,707
Speaker 3: Another guy who had a bit of taste of the

2118
01:36:43,707 --> 01:36:45,707
Speaker 3: All Blacks last year was Peter Lakai, another guy in

2119
01:36:45,747 --> 01:36:48,747
Speaker 3: the Hurricanes and Wellington. Shut up with you, I mean

2120
01:36:48,787 --> 01:36:51,347
Speaker 3: he's still young, right, so you feel that or do

2121
01:36:51,467 --> 01:36:53,667
Speaker 3: you feel that he has an All Blacks future as well?

2122
01:36:53,787 --> 01:36:56,587
Speaker 8: Oh, he's a freak of nature and being back in

2123
01:36:56,627 --> 01:36:58,427
Speaker 8: the Wellington enronment this week. You can see him.

2124
01:36:58,787 --> 01:37:00,467
Speaker 11: He's not taking a day off since we've finished Super

2125
01:37:00,507 --> 01:37:03,147
Speaker 11: Rugby to get his knee right. So I think like

2126
01:37:04,027 --> 01:37:07,307
Speaker 11: for someone young to have that sort of bounce back

2127
01:37:07,347 --> 01:37:09,747
Speaker 11: from an injury is it's pretty tough. Like when you're

2128
01:37:09,747 --> 01:37:11,827
Speaker 11: at the top of the world, you're playing international rugby,

2129
01:37:11,867 --> 01:37:13,747
Speaker 11: it's easy for guys to sort of get complacent, and

2130
01:37:14,147 --> 01:37:16,747
Speaker 11: there's not one little scratch of complacency going through him,

2131
01:37:16,787 --> 01:37:18,667
Speaker 11: And you can see him now's I think he's ahead

2132
01:37:18,667 --> 01:37:22,467
Speaker 11: of schedule with his knee recovery and he's training alongside

2133
01:37:22,507 --> 01:37:24,467
Speaker 11: and stuff or so you know, we'll get him back,

2134
01:37:24,587 --> 01:37:26,347
Speaker 11: hopefully for Willington for a couple of games and then

2135
01:37:26,387 --> 01:37:27,707
Speaker 11: sort of kick him out of the door and hopefully

2136
01:37:27,747 --> 01:37:28,467
Speaker 11: he gets another call.

2137
01:37:28,427 --> 01:37:29,067
Speaker 8: Up for the All Blacks.

2138
01:37:29,147 --> 01:37:31,747
Speaker 11: So yeah, I think like we're pretty blessed in Willings

2139
01:37:31,827 --> 01:37:34,027
Speaker 11: him with the amount of talent that comes through our

2140
01:37:34,067 --> 01:37:37,427
Speaker 11: system holding on to them, I think sometimes it's a

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Speaker 11: bit of a challenge, But at the same time, I

2142
01:37:39,627 --> 01:37:42,027
Speaker 11: think people love or guys who come through the system

2143
01:37:42,107 --> 01:37:43,787
Speaker 11: love being part of willing To Rugby, love being part

2144
01:37:43,787 --> 01:37:46,067
Speaker 11: of the Hurricanes and if we can create a culture

2145
01:37:46,107 --> 01:37:48,587
Speaker 11: where they want to stay no matter what, that's you know,

2146
01:37:48,707 --> 01:37:51,187
Speaker 11: half the battle and what we want to see as

2147
01:37:51,467 --> 01:37:53,347
Speaker 11: many guys as possible. And now you can see like

2148
01:37:53,827 --> 01:37:57,027
Speaker 11: who's being selected and the all blacks like it's proving

2149
01:37:57,187 --> 01:37:59,147
Speaker 11: to be, you know, one of the powerhouse sort of

2150
01:37:59,427 --> 01:38:02,107
Speaker 11: clubs enfranchises of New Zealand rugby and the world rugby.

2151
01:38:02,707 --> 01:38:03,267
Speaker 8: What do you reckon?

2152
01:38:03,387 --> 01:38:05,467
Speaker 4: Ruben Love's best position is, oh.

2153
01:38:05,547 --> 01:38:06,267
Speaker 8: It's a great question.

2154
01:38:06,427 --> 01:38:10,147
Speaker 11: And he played it absolutely amazing for us at ten

2155
01:38:10,627 --> 01:38:13,147
Speaker 11: when he got his opportunity, and the thing with him

2156
01:38:13,267 --> 01:38:15,667
Speaker 11: is just so full of energy and I guess it's

2157
01:38:16,347 --> 01:38:18,267
Speaker 11: just needs to be directed in the right way. And

2158
01:38:18,747 --> 01:38:21,027
Speaker 11: I mean at fifteen, he's he can break the game

2159
01:38:21,107 --> 01:38:22,467
Speaker 11: open from no matter where we are.

2160
01:38:22,587 --> 01:38:25,547
Speaker 8: And for a young player to drive a team like.

2161
01:38:25,587 --> 01:38:26,867
Speaker 11: He did when he was at ten and have the

2162
01:38:26,907 --> 01:38:28,987
Speaker 11: communication skill and all that sort of stuff, like he's

2163
01:38:28,987 --> 01:38:30,947
Speaker 11: got a lot of growth and I think he knows

2164
01:38:30,987 --> 01:38:33,307
Speaker 11: that we all know that. But his ceilings are so

2165
01:38:33,507 --> 01:38:36,147
Speaker 11: high and we're really excited to see this next sort

2166
01:38:36,147 --> 01:38:39,787
Speaker 11: of group of players. We've got about you know, five

2167
01:38:39,907 --> 01:38:42,027
Speaker 11: to eight sort of players who are like they can

2168
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Speaker 11: be you know, absolute stall warts of the Hurricanes and

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01:38:44,827 --> 01:38:47,027
Speaker 11: the All Blacks, so it's really cool to follow their

2170
01:38:47,067 --> 01:38:48,667
Speaker 11: journey and we're just looking forward to seeing how much

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01:38:48,707 --> 01:38:49,267
Speaker 11: they can progress.

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01:38:49,387 --> 01:38:51,747
Speaker 3: And what about you, Bran, because I guess it's fair

2173
01:38:51,787 --> 01:38:53,587
Speaker 3: to say you're closer to the end of your career

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01:38:53,587 --> 01:38:55,347
Speaker 3: at the start of your career, but you're still going

2175
01:38:55,587 --> 01:38:58,547
Speaker 3: Wellington in the in PC to come. You're back with

2176
01:38:58,587 --> 01:39:01,547
Speaker 3: the Hurricanes next year. Have you thought about or have

2177
01:39:01,627 --> 01:39:03,507
Speaker 3: you about when you'll know if it's time?

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01:39:04,947 --> 01:39:07,027
Speaker 11: Whoever I speak to, they kind of like you know,

2179
01:39:07,147 --> 01:39:09,627
Speaker 11: they you know when it's time. And I've always said

2180
01:39:09,627 --> 01:39:12,227
Speaker 11: to myself, like the minute I stopped becoming passionate, the

2181
01:39:12,267 --> 01:39:14,547
Speaker 11: minute I don't, I don't love the game as much,

2182
01:39:14,587 --> 01:39:16,827
Speaker 11: and I'll put my boots up in and at the moment,

2183
01:39:16,827 --> 01:39:19,667
Speaker 11: I'm far from that, So I kind of I won't

2184
01:39:19,707 --> 01:39:21,307
Speaker 11: say I want to be like Martin. I even play

2185
01:39:21,387 --> 01:39:24,347
Speaker 11: till I'm forty five or forty three at the stage,

2186
01:39:24,427 --> 01:39:27,467
Speaker 11: but I just want to like, once it's finished, it's finished.

2187
01:39:27,507 --> 01:39:30,627
Speaker 11: And and I love Willington. I love the Hurricane so much,

2188
01:39:30,707 --> 01:39:33,667
Speaker 11: and and I love playing rugby in general because it's

2189
01:39:33,867 --> 01:39:35,707
Speaker 11: sort of what I did you know from day dot

2190
01:39:36,107 --> 01:39:37,947
Speaker 11: when I was four years old. So to hold on

2191
01:39:38,067 --> 01:39:40,227
Speaker 11: to that, and and and and the opportunity it gives

2192
01:39:40,267 --> 01:39:42,107
Speaker 11: you post rugby is pretty special.

2193
01:39:42,227 --> 01:39:44,107
Speaker 8: So I don't I don't feel.

2194
01:39:43,907 --> 01:39:46,107
Speaker 11: Like the curtain is quite coming down, but I know

2195
01:39:46,187 --> 01:39:47,747
Speaker 11: that it's just around the corner. And I just want

2196
01:39:47,747 --> 01:39:49,347
Speaker 11: to make the most of every opportunity that I get,

2197
01:39:49,427 --> 01:39:51,187
Speaker 11: and every time I get to go on the fields

2198
01:39:51,707 --> 01:39:53,147
Speaker 11: as sort of a bonus, and I won't take that

2199
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Speaker 11: for granted.

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01:39:53,787 --> 01:39:55,987
Speaker 3: Have you started exploring what might take out most of

2201
01:39:56,027 --> 01:39:56,987
Speaker 3: your time post rugby.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think my wife is pretty keen

2203
01:40:01,267 --> 01:40:06,667
Speaker 11: to get on with her life. Yeah, And that's the

2204
01:40:06,667 --> 01:40:08,627
Speaker 11: lie of My wife's been absolutely amazing and she, like

2205
01:40:08,667 --> 01:40:10,907
Speaker 11: I said, she gave up everything for me to follow

2206
01:40:10,947 --> 01:40:13,507
Speaker 11: me around the world, so, you know, give back to

2207
01:40:13,587 --> 01:40:16,947
Speaker 11: my family and sort of give them an opportunity that

2208
01:40:17,907 --> 01:40:21,147
Speaker 11: many people don't get the opportunity to give so and

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Speaker 11: hopefully part of that is me being being in Wellington

2210
01:40:24,627 --> 01:40:27,387
Speaker 11: or I'd love to stay involved in rugby in some

2211
01:40:27,907 --> 01:40:31,227
Speaker 11: sort of way, maybe not coaching necessarily, but within their

2212
01:40:31,267 --> 01:40:33,467
Speaker 11: rugby environment. I can see so much growth in New

2213
01:40:33,507 --> 01:40:35,987
Speaker 11: Zealand rugby in general, and rugby around the world. So

2214
01:40:36,107 --> 01:40:38,267
Speaker 11: to be a part of the next phase of professional

2215
01:40:38,427 --> 01:40:42,547
Speaker 11: the professional era, which is unfortunately rugby struggling a little

2216
01:40:42,547 --> 01:40:44,507
Speaker 11: bit in New Zealand if you look at the community game,

2217
01:40:44,627 --> 01:40:46,227
Speaker 11: So as much as I can give back to the

2218
01:40:46,267 --> 01:40:49,107
Speaker 11: community game when I finish would be you know, not.

2219
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:50,827
Speaker 8: Just I'd get a bit of a kick out of it,

2220
01:40:50,907 --> 01:40:52,707
Speaker 8: but to see guys progress.

2221
01:40:52,427 --> 01:40:55,947
Speaker 11: Through and try and build on what is there would

2222
01:40:55,987 --> 01:40:57,747
Speaker 11: be an amazing sort of journey for me.

2223
01:40:57,907 --> 01:41:00,627
Speaker 8: And that transition period is yeah, I'm not.

2224
01:41:00,627 --> 01:41:02,467
Speaker 11: Really sure exactly what I'll do, but I've got a

2225
01:41:02,507 --> 01:41:03,627
Speaker 11: fair idea and it's to do.

2226
01:41:03,707 --> 01:41:06,307
Speaker 8: With people, it's to do with rugby and growth.

2227
01:41:06,467 --> 01:41:08,347
Speaker 11: So hopefully there's an opportunity that pops up for over

2228
01:41:08,387 --> 01:41:10,587
Speaker 11: the next sort of two year, eighteen months or two years.

2229
01:41:10,987 --> 01:41:13,507
Speaker 3: Fantastic When both your kids are playing, yep, so that

2230
01:41:13,747 --> 01:41:15,347
Speaker 3: and you're are you coaching your daughter's team?

2231
01:41:15,467 --> 01:41:18,267
Speaker 11: Yeah, well as much as I can. They play on

2232
01:41:18,307 --> 01:41:21,107
Speaker 11: a Friday night, so when we're away it's a bit difficult.

2233
01:41:21,147 --> 01:41:23,547
Speaker 11: My wife thought was also managing, so she's like manager coach.

2234
01:41:24,267 --> 01:41:25,907
Speaker 11: We we've got a couple of helpers out there, which

2235
01:41:25,947 --> 01:41:28,587
Speaker 11: is which is awesome. And yeah, like I say, like

2236
01:41:29,067 --> 01:41:30,587
Speaker 11: for them to come and watch me and then and

2237
01:41:30,667 --> 01:41:32,787
Speaker 11: then kind of help them out from you know, I've

2238
01:41:32,787 --> 01:41:35,467
Speaker 11: been in that situation before as a kid, so and

2239
01:41:35,827 --> 01:41:38,147
Speaker 11: I think the kids actually quite get a kick out

2240
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Speaker 11: of heaving a hurricane, you know, be a part of

2241
01:41:41,067 --> 01:41:43,867
Speaker 11: their group and and being out in Eastbourne as such

2242
01:41:43,867 --> 01:41:45,067
Speaker 11: a close knit community.

2243
01:41:45,187 --> 01:41:46,667
Speaker 8: So yeah.

2244
01:41:47,067 --> 01:41:48,867
Speaker 11: My son said the other day is like, I think

2245
01:41:48,907 --> 01:41:51,187
Speaker 11: Daddy's going to coach my team next year, and I'm yeah,

2246
01:41:51,307 --> 01:41:53,187
Speaker 11: so I've been signed up for a few years.

2247
01:41:53,227 --> 01:41:55,307
Speaker 8: I think after well during him when I finished playing.

2248
01:41:55,507 --> 01:41:57,227
Speaker 4: Well, it's a great way to spend time with your kids.

2249
01:41:57,787 --> 01:41:58,387
Speaker 4: Can vouch for that.

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Speaker 3: Great great to see your mate. Your enthusiasm is infectious.

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01:42:01,827 --> 01:42:04,147
Speaker 3: I know that Super Rugby title, the second one is

2252
01:42:04,227 --> 01:42:06,227
Speaker 3: not too far away. Maybe on the thirtieth.

2253
01:42:05,907 --> 01:42:08,827
Speaker 4: Anniverse we have Super Rugby Hurrah. Kane's could win another one.

2254
01:42:08,827 --> 01:42:09,827
Speaker 8: Oh mate, that will be epic.

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Speaker 11: And unfortunately we have quite well fell short a few

2256
01:42:13,667 --> 01:42:15,787
Speaker 11: years in a row, and even when I before I left,

2257
01:42:15,867 --> 01:42:18,827
Speaker 11: like semi final, semi final, quarter final, semi finals. So

2258
01:42:19,467 --> 01:42:21,227
Speaker 11: we're just about there and I think we've got the

2259
01:42:21,267 --> 01:42:22,547
Speaker 11: group to do it next year. I think most of

2260
01:42:22,587 --> 01:42:26,027
Speaker 11: the guys it's going to be pretty unchanged, so I'm

2261
01:42:26,067 --> 01:42:27,627
Speaker 11: looking forward to it and I'm looking forward to try and.

2262
01:42:27,627 --> 01:42:29,107
Speaker 8: Help the team as much as I can on and

2263
01:42:29,187 --> 01:42:29,707
Speaker 8: off the field.

2264
01:42:29,747 --> 01:42:33,347
Speaker 11: And we've got a pretty good group, so hopefully fingers

2265
01:42:33,387 --> 01:42:35,147
Speaker 11: crossed I can get a title in before I need

2266
01:42:35,187 --> 01:42:38,067
Speaker 11: to either bugger off somewhere else or or roll up my.

2267
01:42:38,067 --> 01:42:39,107
Speaker 8: Sleeves and go for another season.

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Speaker 4: Love it, Bratt, thanks for stopping and made always great

2269
01:42:41,987 --> 01:42:42,347
Speaker 4: catching up.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, thank you, mate, And I just want to say

2271
01:42:43,747 --> 01:42:46,227
Speaker 11: before I go, like Piney, you blow a lot of

2272
01:42:46,227 --> 01:42:48,667
Speaker 11: smoke up other people's bums, but what you do for

2273
01:42:49,067 --> 01:42:52,027
Speaker 11: not just New Yiler Rugby New Zealand Sport as amazing mate, and.

2274
01:42:52,667 --> 01:42:54,547
Speaker 8: Keep fighting the good fight. So we appreciate what you

2275
01:42:54,587 --> 01:42:55,227
Speaker 8: do for us. Thank you.

2276
01:42:55,347 --> 01:42:56,947
Speaker 4: You're very good man, Brad. Thank you very much for

2277
01:42:56,987 --> 01:42:57,547
Speaker 4: the kind words.

2278
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Speaker 3: Brad Shields with us here on News Talks Heed be

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Speaker 3: coming to your life today from SHD twenty two to twenty.

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Speaker 4: Seven, going to change the shape of the ball.

2281
01:43:04,347 --> 01:43:06,467
Speaker 3: Talk some football next with Isaac Hues and Core and

2282
01:43:06,507 --> 01:43:08,067
Speaker 3: Piper out of the Wellington Phoenix.

2283
01:43:08,147 --> 01:43:08,707
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01:43:11,107 --> 01:43:13,827
Speaker 3: The legendary Sports Cafe is back, but not as you

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Speaker 3: Ish is a return to form for hosts Rick Solito,

2287
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2289
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Speaker 3: lineup of guests, not limited to some of New Zealand's

2290
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2292
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01:44:12,027 --> 01:44:13,267
Speaker 4: It's humming away in the background.

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01:44:13,307 --> 01:44:15,467
Speaker 3: What are we now two thirty so a couple of

2306
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Speaker 3: hours away from the women's game at Sky Stadium and

2307
01:44:17,707 --> 01:44:20,507
Speaker 3: then five past seven for the All Blacks against France.

2308
01:44:20,987 --> 01:44:23,867
Speaker 3: And once the rugby posts are done with tonight they'll

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01:44:23,907 --> 01:44:26,747
Speaker 3: be dispensed with because Wrexham are on the way for

2310
01:44:26,867 --> 01:44:29,227
Speaker 3: a game of football. They've kicked off their Australasian tour

2311
01:44:29,267 --> 01:44:32,587
Speaker 3: with a three nil win over a league club, Melbourne Victory.

2312
01:44:32,627 --> 01:44:35,987
Speaker 3: They play Sydney FC on Tuesday and then next Saturday

2313
01:44:36,067 --> 01:44:37,867
Speaker 3: they'll be here in Wellington to take on the Phoenix

2314
01:44:37,947 --> 01:44:40,547
Speaker 3: at Sky Stadium, a five o'clock kickoff. Great to be

2315
01:44:40,667 --> 01:44:44,387
Speaker 3: joined here at Shed twenty two by Phoenix players Corbyn

2316
01:44:44,467 --> 01:44:47,627
Speaker 3: Piper and Isaac Hughes. Thanks for topping in for a

2317
01:44:47,747 --> 01:44:50,067
Speaker 3: check boys. If you were training this morning, Quzy ive

2318
01:44:50,107 --> 01:44:50,787
Speaker 3: come from training?

2319
01:44:51,027 --> 01:44:53,067
Speaker 19: Yeah, just come from training. It was actually a bit

2320
01:44:53,187 --> 01:44:54,467
Speaker 19: touch and go whether or not I was going to

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01:44:54,507 --> 01:44:55,147
Speaker 19: get her on time.

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01:44:55,547 --> 01:45:00,627
Speaker 3: But yeah, well I appreciate you speeding, you know, legally

2323
01:45:00,667 --> 01:45:01,827
Speaker 3: along the motorway to get here.

2324
01:45:02,107 --> 01:45:03,787
Speaker 4: And now, Corbyn, you've got a bit of a niggle

2325
01:45:03,827 --> 01:45:04,587
Speaker 4: at the moment. What's going on?

2326
01:45:04,947 --> 01:45:08,627
Speaker 20: Yeah, just a little nigger going the grind and currently

2327
01:45:08,747 --> 01:45:11,667
Speaker 20: rehaving it. I've been reh having it since the Australian Cup.

2328
01:45:11,747 --> 01:45:14,507
Speaker 20: But hopefully, yeah, I'll be ready for the start of

2329
01:45:14,547 --> 01:45:16,787
Speaker 20: the season. But unfortunately I'll be missing the Rick.

2330
01:45:16,667 --> 01:45:20,067
Speaker 3: Some game, all right, it's a shame for you, but Isaac,

2331
01:45:20,107 --> 01:45:21,787
Speaker 3: for you, are you looking forward to I mean a

2332
01:45:21,827 --> 01:45:23,227
Speaker 3: game at this time of the year is a little

2333
01:45:23,227 --> 01:45:25,707
Speaker 3: bit rare with the the off season, you know, often

2334
01:45:25,867 --> 01:45:27,027
Speaker 3: just a whole bunch of training.

2335
01:45:27,347 --> 01:45:29,107
Speaker 4: I am actually looking forward to having rixam here.

2336
01:45:29,787 --> 01:45:31,107
Speaker 8: Yeah, really looking forward to it.

2337
01:45:31,227 --> 01:45:36,467
Speaker 19: I think it's really exciting to play against opposition from Europe.

2338
01:45:36,547 --> 01:45:38,947
Speaker 8: That's a big thing. Like playing against English opposition would

2339
01:45:38,947 --> 01:45:39,587
Speaker 8: be interesting to.

2340
01:45:39,627 --> 01:45:40,667
Speaker 10: See how we fare, you know.

2341
01:45:40,707 --> 01:45:44,827
Speaker 19: I'd imagine they'll be a bit more physical, so it'd

2342
01:45:44,867 --> 01:45:45,827
Speaker 19: be really interesting.

2343
01:45:46,467 --> 01:45:48,347
Speaker 3: You've been back in pre season for what a couple

2344
01:45:48,347 --> 01:45:50,027
Speaker 3: of weeks now, I think first of July was when

2345
01:45:50,067 --> 01:45:54,027
Speaker 3: he came back. How much are you reviewing what happened

2346
01:45:54,107 --> 01:45:57,307
Speaker 3: last season compared to Hughes, how much you're looking ahead

2347
01:45:57,387 --> 01:45:58,187
Speaker 3: to the next season.

2348
01:45:59,427 --> 01:46:02,747
Speaker 19: It's a good question that it's it's one of those things, right,

2349
01:46:02,827 --> 01:46:05,067
Speaker 19: like you have to learn last season was poor and

2350
01:46:05,147 --> 01:46:07,107
Speaker 19: it wasn't good enough, and everyone at the club knows

2351
01:46:07,147 --> 01:46:09,347
Speaker 19: that and we have to you know, learn from that

2352
01:46:09,467 --> 01:46:12,467
Speaker 19: and review what went wrong, and you know, but at

2353
01:46:12,467 --> 01:46:14,787
Speaker 19: the same time, we need to step into the new

2354
01:46:14,867 --> 01:46:19,387
Speaker 19: season with positivity because everyone starts on zero points and

2355
01:46:19,507 --> 01:46:21,947
Speaker 19: it's there's a big opportunity for us to you know,

2356
01:46:23,187 --> 01:46:25,547
Speaker 19: do really well and get into that top six and

2357
01:46:25,867 --> 01:46:28,947
Speaker 19: hopefully get in playing for finals football again and covin.

2358
01:46:28,987 --> 01:46:31,627
Speaker 3: For you, it was your first seasons as a professional.

2359
01:46:32,347 --> 01:46:34,187
Speaker 3: How do you reflect on it in general terms from

2360
01:46:34,227 --> 01:46:35,067
Speaker 3: a personal point of view?

2361
01:46:35,107 --> 01:46:37,707
Speaker 4: First of all, yeah, I mean me personally.

2362
01:46:39,307 --> 01:46:41,707
Speaker 20: It's hard to say because it was such a rough

2363
01:46:41,747 --> 01:46:45,187
Speaker 20: season for the team, But for myself, I was I

2364
01:46:45,307 --> 01:46:48,867
Speaker 20: was I was happy to actually even start a couple

2365
01:46:48,907 --> 01:46:51,227
Speaker 20: of games at the beginning, but then I wanted more

2366
01:46:51,227 --> 01:46:54,467
Speaker 20: and more to yeah, push my way into the starting team,

2367
01:46:54,467 --> 01:46:57,387
Speaker 20: and fortunately for me, there was a couple of injuries

2368
01:46:57,467 --> 01:47:01,147
Speaker 20: and with my versatility, I was able to you know,

2369
01:47:01,387 --> 01:47:04,907
Speaker 20: fill the spots, and yeah, I was me personally quite happy,

2370
01:47:05,027 --> 01:47:07,907
Speaker 20: but obviously for the team, I was really disappointed.

2371
01:47:07,947 --> 01:47:09,347
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was just going to pick up on that.

2372
01:47:09,427 --> 01:47:12,387
Speaker 4: So you can still be satisfied with your own performances.

2373
01:47:12,787 --> 01:47:15,987
Speaker 3: But I guess anyone would say they'd rather have a

2374
01:47:16,147 --> 01:47:18,627
Speaker 3: terrible game and win one nil then have an absolute

2375
01:47:18,667 --> 01:47:19,667
Speaker 3: stormer and lose one nil.

2376
01:47:19,707 --> 01:47:22,307
Speaker 4: But you can still take pride and your development as

2377
01:47:22,307 --> 01:47:22,627
Speaker 4: a player.

2378
01:47:22,707 --> 01:47:25,067
Speaker 20: For example, Yeah, one hundred per cent, because I came

2379
01:47:25,107 --> 01:47:29,867
Speaker 20: from an amateur team beforehand. So me being in a

2380
01:47:30,027 --> 01:47:33,827
Speaker 20: pro environment and being able to actually showcase myself and

2381
01:47:33,907 --> 01:47:37,787
Speaker 20: a professional team is yeah for me amazing.

2382
01:47:37,947 --> 01:47:38,107
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2383
01:47:38,707 --> 01:47:40,667
Speaker 3: And I guess every time you play Hugh's a you

2384
01:47:40,867 --> 01:47:43,427
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to develop and to learn. I mean,

2385
01:47:43,627 --> 01:47:46,827
Speaker 3: how do you assist your last season and in terms

2386
01:47:46,867 --> 01:47:48,827
Speaker 3: of your development as a footballer.

2387
01:47:50,507 --> 01:47:54,427
Speaker 19: To be honest, in terms of development, like kind of

2388
01:47:55,107 --> 01:47:57,667
Speaker 19: went as good as you could hope in that sort

2389
01:47:57,707 --> 01:47:59,907
Speaker 19: of sense, because you think of I think I've played

2390
01:47:59,947 --> 01:48:03,867
Speaker 19: a lot of games where I've played well again Lake Corbyn,

2391
01:48:03,867 --> 01:48:06,507
Speaker 19: where I think I've played a large amount of games where.

2392
01:48:06,627 --> 01:48:10,187
Speaker 8: I thought I played well but we lost two nil.

2393
01:48:10,187 --> 01:48:12,387
Speaker 19: I thought those games where me and Scotty played well

2394
01:48:12,907 --> 01:48:14,107
Speaker 19: but we defended that many.

2395
01:48:13,987 --> 01:48:18,427
Speaker 8: Attacks that we lost by considerable amount.

2396
01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:23,587
Speaker 19: But I think there was also moments that weren't good enough,

2397
01:48:23,627 --> 01:48:25,547
Speaker 19: and I think there's areas for me to improve. And

2398
01:48:25,867 --> 01:48:27,507
Speaker 19: then that's the same for everyone in the team and

2399
01:48:27,627 --> 01:48:29,907
Speaker 19: that's good because it gives me an opportunity to grow

2400
01:48:29,947 --> 01:48:32,707
Speaker 19: and get better. But I think I also enjoyed that

2401
01:48:33,387 --> 01:48:38,547
Speaker 19: I got exposure to, like public criticism and maybe social

2402
01:48:38,587 --> 01:48:41,907
Speaker 19: media criticism. I think it helps you develop as a person,

2403
01:48:42,107 --> 01:48:44,787
Speaker 19: helps you develop as like a player, and that's something

2404
01:48:44,867 --> 01:48:47,507
Speaker 19: that we need to get used to those players now, right.

2405
01:48:48,267 --> 01:48:51,227
Speaker 19: Public criticism is part of the job, and I'm glad

2406
01:48:51,267 --> 01:48:51,947
Speaker 19: I got some of that.

2407
01:48:52,067 --> 01:48:53,347
Speaker 8: And know how to deal with it.

2408
01:48:53,467 --> 01:48:53,587
Speaker 2: Now.

2409
01:48:53,867 --> 01:48:56,187
Speaker 3: Such an interesting comment that you make, and even to

2410
01:48:56,267 --> 01:48:58,947
Speaker 3: say you enjoyed the criticism, I'm sure you didn't.

2411
01:48:58,827 --> 01:49:00,547
Speaker 4: Enjoy it like you enjoy a night out with your mate.

2412
01:49:00,587 --> 01:49:03,467
Speaker 4: But I know what you're saying. It is part and past.

2413
01:49:03,507 --> 01:49:06,907
Speaker 3: All these days, anybody with an interneate connection in a

2414
01:49:06,987 --> 01:49:10,147
Speaker 3: smartphone can far off any comment they like right there.

2415
01:49:11,187 --> 01:49:12,987
Speaker 3: First of all, how do you filter it out? How

2416
01:49:13,027 --> 01:49:15,547
Speaker 3: do you do you stay away from it? How do

2417
01:49:15,627 --> 01:49:17,507
Speaker 3: you how do you deal with that?

2418
01:49:20,067 --> 01:49:20,427
Speaker 2: I didn't.

2419
01:49:21,667 --> 01:49:24,627
Speaker 19: One thing someone said to me once was like, don't

2420
01:49:24,707 --> 01:49:27,347
Speaker 19: take criticism from someone you wouldn't go to for advice.

2421
01:49:28,467 --> 01:49:30,587
Speaker 19: And it's that sort of thing where it's like, you know,

2422
01:49:30,947 --> 01:49:33,387
Speaker 19: when there is issues that need to be solved, I've

2423
01:49:33,467 --> 01:49:36,987
Speaker 19: got intelligent football people around me who can tell me

2424
01:49:37,067 --> 01:49:40,067
Speaker 19: how to solve that problem. I don't necessarily need to

2425
01:49:40,107 --> 01:49:42,547
Speaker 19: look at an Instagram comment, But I think you also

2426
01:49:42,587 --> 01:49:44,107
Speaker 19: have to be smart around.

2427
01:49:45,347 --> 01:49:46,027
Speaker 4: After a game.

2428
01:49:46,107 --> 01:49:48,667
Speaker 19: Your emotions are very high because if we lose a game,

2429
01:49:49,467 --> 01:49:52,787
Speaker 19: I probably won't speak to anyone for like a couple

2430
01:49:52,867 --> 01:49:57,347
Speaker 19: of days. So the idea of looking in your comments

2431
01:49:57,387 --> 01:50:00,067
Speaker 19: section immediately post game is just bad.

2432
01:50:00,147 --> 01:50:00,427
Speaker 17: So I.

2433
01:50:02,067 --> 01:50:04,907
Speaker 8: Around the time the game, I delete Instagram off.

2434
01:50:04,787 --> 01:50:08,267
Speaker 19: My phone and I don't re download it until later

2435
01:50:08,347 --> 01:50:09,667
Speaker 19: on in the week, just so I don't have any

2436
01:50:09,707 --> 01:50:13,547
Speaker 19: notifications that come through in that like heightened emotional period.

2437
01:50:13,627 --> 01:50:15,787
Speaker 4: You know, it's a great way. Do you do the

2438
01:50:15,867 --> 01:50:18,067
Speaker 4: sime com or do you delete or do you just avoid?

2439
01:50:18,147 --> 01:50:18,907
Speaker 4: What's your strategy?

2440
01:50:19,547 --> 01:50:19,867
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2441
01:50:20,387 --> 01:50:23,547
Speaker 3: Every day he's got to keep us followers, he's got

2442
01:50:23,667 --> 01:50:24,027
Speaker 3: to keep us.

2443
01:50:24,147 --> 01:50:25,067
Speaker 4: He's an influencer.

2444
01:50:26,187 --> 01:50:28,747
Speaker 20: I actually I actually read read a lot online, and

2445
01:50:29,587 --> 01:50:33,667
Speaker 20: I think reading those negative comments, like I saw quite

2446
01:50:33,667 --> 01:50:36,747
Speaker 20: a few negative comments last season, even though I thought

2447
01:50:36,747 --> 01:50:39,787
Speaker 20: I was having quite a positive season for myself.

2448
01:50:39,907 --> 01:50:43,227
Speaker 8: But yeah, I like to actually read them, and I

2449
01:50:43,307 --> 01:50:43,787
Speaker 8: feel like it.

2450
01:50:43,827 --> 01:50:47,187
Speaker 20: Makes me even mentally stronger, and I kind of I

2451
01:50:47,267 --> 01:50:49,627
Speaker 20: have this mentality of like proving people wrong. I love

2452
01:50:49,667 --> 01:50:52,667
Speaker 20: proving people wrong. I've like to say I've done it

2453
01:50:52,787 --> 01:50:55,067
Speaker 20: my whole life. Like school teachers telling me I can't

2454
01:50:55,107 --> 01:50:57,867
Speaker 20: make a living out of football, like it just made

2455
01:50:57,907 --> 01:51:00,027
Speaker 20: me want it even more. So I kind of like

2456
01:51:00,107 --> 01:51:02,027
Speaker 20: to read them and use it as almost like a

2457
01:51:02,067 --> 01:51:03,227
Speaker 20: bit of drive and motivation.

2458
01:51:03,667 --> 01:51:07,067
Speaker 4: So yeah, I love that, really love it. And uh

2459
01:51:07,827 --> 01:51:09,307
Speaker 4: do you talk about it? You know, And it's a

2460
01:51:09,387 --> 01:51:11,027
Speaker 4: great it's a great piece of advice.

2461
01:51:11,147 --> 01:51:13,587
Speaker 3: Don't take criticism from someone you would take advice from

2462
01:51:13,867 --> 01:51:17,427
Speaker 3: outside of the Wellington Phoenix environment. Do you have people

2463
01:51:17,507 --> 01:51:20,267
Speaker 3: whose advice you value and advice whose advice you do

2464
01:51:20,307 --> 01:51:20,747
Speaker 3: you trust?

2465
01:51:21,227 --> 01:51:21,947
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.

2466
01:51:22,067 --> 01:51:25,827
Speaker 20: Like my mum, my whole life has been quite brutal

2467
01:51:25,907 --> 01:51:29,227
Speaker 20: with me from such a young age. If I had

2468
01:51:29,267 --> 01:51:31,147
Speaker 20: a bad game when I was younger, she wouldn't talk

2469
01:51:31,187 --> 01:51:33,987
Speaker 20: to me, you know, and you know, like like it

2470
01:51:34,107 --> 01:51:36,067
Speaker 20: was a it was a horrible car ride home, and

2471
01:51:36,267 --> 01:51:40,747
Speaker 20: I think that built resilience for me. And yeah, it

2472
01:51:40,987 --> 01:51:43,387
Speaker 20: made me play bit on the fields. As harsh as

2473
01:51:43,467 --> 01:51:45,107
Speaker 20: it was, I think it was the best thing for me.

2474
01:51:45,227 --> 01:51:45,387
Speaker 13: You know.

2475
01:51:47,267 --> 01:51:49,347
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask about the new strip as well.

2476
01:51:49,667 --> 01:51:50,787
Speaker 3: Now I've seen it modeled.

2477
01:51:51,467 --> 01:51:53,587
Speaker 4: Were you in part? Were you in the photo shoot? Corbyn?

2478
01:51:53,987 --> 01:51:54,187
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2479
01:51:54,347 --> 01:51:54,907
Speaker 8: Yeah? Were you?

2480
01:51:54,947 --> 01:51:56,187
Speaker 4: Who's here as well?

2481
01:51:56,507 --> 01:51:58,187
Speaker 3: I thought I must I must have missed yours, because

2482
01:51:58,307 --> 01:52:00,427
Speaker 3: why would they choose him and not you don't.

2483
01:52:00,547 --> 01:52:01,107
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

2484
01:52:03,267 --> 01:52:05,227
Speaker 3: Do they ask volunteers for the sort of thing that

2485
01:52:05,307 --> 01:52:07,827
Speaker 3: they say, right, we're need some clearly we're going to use.

2486
01:52:11,267 --> 01:52:11,947
Speaker 4: How does it work?

2487
01:52:12,947 --> 01:52:15,267
Speaker 8: I actually don't know, because you think they go for

2488
01:52:15,307 --> 01:52:19,787
Speaker 8: the good looking players. Luke brook Smith got chosen.

2489
01:52:19,947 --> 01:52:20,947
Speaker 19: Yeah, actually I don't know.

2490
01:52:21,027 --> 01:52:22,427
Speaker 8: Maybe they I don't know what they do.

2491
01:52:22,987 --> 01:52:24,907
Speaker 20: When I seen him there, I knew it wasn't like

2492
01:52:24,947 --> 01:52:25,907
Speaker 20: the justslocking ones.

2493
01:52:27,467 --> 01:52:30,147
Speaker 4: I think she met Sheridan and there as well, so yeah,

2494
01:52:31,827 --> 01:52:32,747
Speaker 4: yeah too fair.

2495
01:52:32,827 --> 01:52:34,387
Speaker 19: Didn't they you know, want to show what the kit

2496
01:52:34,467 --> 01:52:36,347
Speaker 19: would look like on the average bloke you know, so.

2497
01:52:38,347 --> 01:52:38,787
Speaker 8: Involved?

2498
01:52:38,867 --> 01:52:41,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they just get normal fans and you know

2499
01:52:41,667 --> 01:52:44,707
Speaker 3: that's what looks like if you buy it. How much

2500
01:52:44,787 --> 01:52:49,067
Speaker 3: did the Derby add to the A League environment last year?

2501
01:52:49,107 --> 01:52:49,387
Speaker 4: Corbyn?

2502
01:52:49,547 --> 01:52:52,107
Speaker 3: You know what, those games were pretty special years. They

2503
01:52:52,147 --> 01:52:53,667
Speaker 3: didn't go the way the Phoenix would have hoped. But

2504
01:52:54,027 --> 01:52:55,307
Speaker 3: what did they add to the A League? And it

2505
01:52:55,467 --> 01:52:57,067
Speaker 3: was only your first year but did you enjoy them?

2506
01:52:57,547 --> 01:53:00,467
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean the only one I played was the

2507
01:53:01,067 --> 01:53:05,187
Speaker 20: unfortunate sex one last. I think so for me it

2508
01:53:05,347 --> 01:53:10,067
Speaker 20: wasn't the most enjoying game, but playing in front of

2509
01:53:10,147 --> 01:53:14,067
Speaker 20: my hometown, a professional game with all my friends and

2510
01:53:14,187 --> 01:53:18,667
Speaker 20: family there was quite special for myself. Even though obviously

2511
01:53:18,787 --> 01:53:22,307
Speaker 20: we last, it wasn't it was quite humiliating. Yeah, I

2512
01:53:22,387 --> 01:53:24,387
Speaker 20: think it's definitely good for use some on football though,

2513
01:53:24,667 --> 01:53:27,507
Speaker 20: having that tarby that brings all the fans together and

2514
01:53:27,747 --> 01:53:29,787
Speaker 20: creates a sort of ra livalry that you.

2515
01:53:29,787 --> 01:53:32,387
Speaker 3: Want in football, you know, And the nature of football

2516
01:53:32,507 --> 01:53:35,187
Speaker 3: was that, you know, players come, players go all the time.

2517
01:53:35,627 --> 01:53:37,867
Speaker 3: A couple of players well one you mentioned before Scott Wooton,

2518
01:53:38,427 --> 01:53:40,787
Speaker 3: Sam South and another you know, pretty regular member of

2519
01:53:40,867 --> 01:53:42,267
Speaker 3: the back four Cusa.

2520
01:53:42,307 --> 01:53:44,147
Speaker 4: They've both gone to Perth Glory. So that means a

2521
01:53:44,227 --> 01:53:45,267
Speaker 4: regent for you.

2522
01:53:45,427 --> 01:53:48,787
Speaker 3: But I guess like a guy like Scott Watson was

2523
01:53:48,867 --> 01:53:51,627
Speaker 3: so much experience. How helpful was he to you during

2524
01:53:51,947 --> 01:53:52,707
Speaker 3: your time together?

2525
01:53:53,347 --> 01:53:57,267
Speaker 8: And yeah he was. He was incredible to be fair.

2526
01:53:57,427 --> 01:54:01,307
Speaker 19: Even like everyone will think about last season and with

2527
01:54:01,467 --> 01:54:04,507
Speaker 19: me and Scott, but even as early as like off

2528
01:54:04,627 --> 01:54:07,507
Speaker 19: his last season, I was training quite a lot with

2529
01:54:07,587 --> 01:54:11,787
Speaker 19: the first team and around that time, you know, I

2530
01:54:11,947 --> 01:54:14,587
Speaker 19: was probably I don't know how old I was, but

2531
01:54:15,427 --> 01:54:17,587
Speaker 19: I was super young. I was nervous being around and

2532
01:54:17,667 --> 01:54:20,347
Speaker 19: Scott not only would give you a great football insight,

2533
01:54:20,387 --> 01:54:23,947
Speaker 19: he's just like a very welcoming and sociable and personal

2534
01:54:24,147 --> 01:54:27,227
Speaker 19: person and that just kind of as a young player,

2535
01:54:27,347 --> 01:54:28,987
Speaker 19: just having one of the older lads to just be

2536
01:54:29,107 --> 01:54:31,987
Speaker 19: so welcome into you and so like embracing you and

2537
01:54:32,107 --> 01:54:34,907
Speaker 19: bringing them your under their wing, it sort of really.

2538
01:54:34,707 --> 01:54:38,227
Speaker 8: Helps you, like with that confidence to perform. So yeah,

2539
01:54:38,267 --> 01:54:40,147
Speaker 8: Scott is a big miss.

2540
01:54:40,307 --> 01:54:40,667
Speaker 4: All right.

2541
01:54:40,827 --> 01:54:43,987
Speaker 3: And just to finish Corn, I mean, like I said

2542
01:54:44,027 --> 01:54:45,987
Speaker 3: that last season's gone there, I kind of anything about it.

2543
01:54:46,067 --> 01:54:48,707
Speaker 3: But do you have a positive feeling I guess you

2544
01:54:48,827 --> 01:54:51,427
Speaker 3: have to about about next season and how will you

2545
01:54:51,547 --> 01:54:53,867
Speaker 3: as a team approach the new campaign.

2546
01:54:54,227 --> 01:54:55,387
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we're.

2547
01:54:55,227 --> 01:54:59,347
Speaker 20: Already started the season quite strong. Like even even watching

2548
01:54:59,387 --> 01:55:02,467
Speaker 20: the boys training, it's just there's a different type of

2549
01:55:02,547 --> 01:55:05,307
Speaker 20: intensity and it's like a almost likely want to prove

2550
01:55:05,387 --> 01:55:07,947
Speaker 20: everyone I'm wrong and really strive for it this year.

2551
01:55:07,947 --> 01:55:09,827
Speaker 20: And I think the boys are really up for it,

2552
01:55:09,907 --> 01:55:13,867
Speaker 20: and there's it's good vibes around the changing room. We've

2553
01:55:13,947 --> 01:55:16,507
Speaker 20: put last season behind us. We're yeah, I think we're

2554
01:55:16,507 --> 01:55:17,227
Speaker 20: really going to push for.

2555
01:55:17,227 --> 01:55:17,667
Speaker 8: It this year.

2556
01:55:17,867 --> 01:55:19,547
Speaker 4: All right, you feel the same way, was it?

2557
01:55:19,947 --> 01:55:20,147
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2558
01:55:20,347 --> 01:55:23,867
Speaker 8: Training's been really really hard. My body is absolutely on

2559
01:55:23,947 --> 01:55:24,347
Speaker 8: the ropes.

2560
01:55:25,667 --> 01:55:28,587
Speaker 19: But yeah, everyone is at it with a different level

2561
01:55:28,627 --> 01:55:30,347
Speaker 19: of intensity and a different level of focus.

2562
01:55:30,707 --> 01:55:32,787
Speaker 3: So yeah, well can't wait to see how you go

2563
01:55:32,827 --> 01:55:34,947
Speaker 3: against Rixam Nick Saturday, and that's going to be quite

2564
01:55:34,947 --> 01:55:35,427
Speaker 3: the occasion.

2565
01:55:36,027 --> 01:55:38,387
Speaker 4: Recover well, former night, will you see your beg real soon?

2566
01:55:38,467 --> 01:55:41,307
Speaker 3: All the best against the finest Rixam have to offer

2567
01:55:41,347 --> 01:55:42,147
Speaker 3: next Saturday.

2568
01:55:42,507 --> 01:55:45,187
Speaker 4: Husaynix for stopping him, Boys Sis Biny.

2569
01:55:45,387 --> 01:55:47,947
Speaker 3: Corbyn Parker and Isaac Hughes joining us here in an

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Speaker 3: increasingly loud Ship twenty two as you can probably hear

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Speaker 3: eighteen away from three, and that we're going to stay

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Speaker 3: with football.

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Speaker 4: One of the Phoenix's most vigorous enthusiastic fans going to

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Speaker 4: join us right after this.

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Speaker 1: On Weekend Sport, cutting down to all blacks, feed Frans

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Speaker 1: on your home of Sport. It'st Weekend Sport Live from

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Speaker 1: TED twenty two in Wellington with Chason Pine and TJ

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Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen away from three.

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Speaker 3: And I've said it a few times but whoever came

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Speaker 3: up with the idea of broadcasting live on the day

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Speaker 3: of games from a downtown pub needs some sort of

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Speaker 3: promotion or certainly quite a bit of kudos, because it's

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Speaker 3: been great here at CHED twenty two. For those of

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Speaker 3: you in Hamilton next weekend Saturday twelve to three, we'll

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Speaker 3: be coming to you from the Roaming Giants, which I'm

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Speaker 3: told is a very impressive establishment, so we'll look forward

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Speaker 3: to bringing you the show from their next Saturday ahead

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Speaker 3: of the Third Test.

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Speaker 8: But now stick with the.

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Speaker 3: Football theme because we've just heard from Corbyn Piper and

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Speaker 3: Isaac Hughes from the Wellington Phoenix, and Sam Parkins has

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Speaker 3: stopped in a fully signed up member of Yellow Fever.

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Speaker 8: How are you mate?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: All good, Thank you, thank you for having me first

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Speaker 8: of all, No.

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Speaker 4: It's good to have you in here.

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Speaker 3: Now are you looking forward to watching your team play

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Speaker 3: against Wrexham next Saturday?

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Speaker 13: I am.

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Speaker 21: It's a long wait between seasons, usually May to October,

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Speaker 21: so it's nice to have another game and you know,

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Speaker 21: in the winter.

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Speaker 3: There's no getting away from it. Before we talk about

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Speaker 3: rex and last season was disappointing. I guess you're right

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Speaker 3: the highs and the lows as a sports fan, But yeah,

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Speaker 3: how have you how long did it take you to

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Speaker 3: recover from last season? Have you have you sort of

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Speaker 3: put it behind you in the rearview mirror.

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Speaker 8: For the most part, yes, don't. We don't want to

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Speaker 8: linger on it.

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Speaker 21: We started off the season very well and obviously based

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Speaker 21: on the twenty three to twenty four season we were expecting,

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Speaker 21: maybe not quite as good, but substantially you know, top

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Speaker 21: of the table at least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough question.

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Speaker 21: Like I said, we don't want to linger on it,

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Speaker 21: and we're looking forward. But there are things that I

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Speaker 21: think we can learn from as fans as well as

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Speaker 21: the players can learn from.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well let's pick up on that then. So so,

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Speaker 4: I mean players have reviews to fans do the same.

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Speaker 4: Do Yellow Fever have a review of the season?

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Speaker 18: We do.

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Speaker 8: Nothing official official, but.

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Speaker 21: We definitely talk week to week and then at the

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Speaker 21: end of the season we have a you know, people

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Speaker 21: that want to talk to each other about it can talk.

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Speaker 21: But like I said, we try and look forward and

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Speaker 21: focus on the new one.

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Speaker 4: So sport is passionate right.

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Speaker 3: I mean if the fans are the most passionate people

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Speaker 3: in sport, I believe because they're the only ones who

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Speaker 3: are truly loyal to the team. You know, players come

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Speaker 3: and go all the time, so to coaches, so to manageers,

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Speaker 3: so to sponsors. But fans, if they are true fans,

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Speaker 3: stick through thick and thin. So that also means you

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Speaker 3: have to ride the highs and the lows. So what

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Speaker 3: is your general approach to supporting this team that can

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Speaker 3: take you on a bit of a roller coaster at times.

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Speaker 21: I think that is one of the strengths of the

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Speaker 21: Yellow Fever is that there are so many people that

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Speaker 21: have been around since the beginning, since two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 21: even people that started watching during lockdown, that's still four

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Speaker 21: or five seasons of solid support.

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Speaker 8: And that's not not just Wellington.

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Speaker 21: There's personally I have friends in Auckland that have stuck

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Speaker 21: with them, in Melbourne and Sydney and christ Church, even

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Speaker 21: some in London that watch. They get up in the

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Speaker 21: middle of the night to watch the games or whenever

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Speaker 21: the games are happening.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's just it's so good to see the loyalty

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Speaker 21: despite the upstander downs, not just last season, but four

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Speaker 21: or five, six years ago, ten years ago. We've had

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Speaker 21: low moments, but people still stick around.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about Auckland FC?

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Speaker 8: They did well, the players did well.

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Speaker 21: I went up to the first no, sorry, I was

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Speaker 21: at the first rby in Wellington and then I went

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Speaker 21: up to the second derby in Auckland.

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Speaker 8: Than I missed the third one, which is also on Auckland.

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Speaker 21: It's unfortunate that we lost to them, but I mean

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Speaker 21: someone's got to win it, and they've played well. They've

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Speaker 21: got a great manager in Steve Corricker. The running of

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Speaker 21: the club it seems pretty decent so far, but it

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Speaker 21: is the first season. Who knows what could happen to them.

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Speaker 21: I'm not sure about any new signings that they've made.

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Speaker 21: So let's hope that we get at least one win

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Speaker 21: this season, well at least.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the fixture list for next season is

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Speaker 3: due out soon actually on soon, yeah, back end of July.

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Speaker 3: So are they going to be the first games you

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Speaker 3: look for the tarbies because.

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Speaker 4: Presumably the week two in Wellington this season.

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Speaker 8: Well, we would hope, so.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think that will be high up on people's

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Speaker 21: lists of games that they would like to attend. I'm

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Speaker 21: pretty sure they're contracted to play one in christ.

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Speaker 8: Hurts as well.

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Speaker 21: Obviously not against Auckland, it will be against someone else.

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Speaker 21: But that's always a fun trip. I did that last

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Speaker 21: I think it was in January. Yeah, definitely, it should

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Speaker 21: be a good atmosphere and fingers.

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Speaker 3: Crossed absolutely and just and to wrectom next Saturday, what

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Speaker 3: are you anything special planned?

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Speaker 4: I think there's a big crowd in coming.

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Speaker 3: Anything special plan for next Saturday when wrecam come there should.

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Speaker 8: Be a good crowd.

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Speaker 21: I watched the Rectim game against Melbourne Victory last night

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Speaker 21: and there were a lot of red shirts in that

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Speaker 21: marble stadium. As for the Yellow Fever, we're going to

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Speaker 21: be at the Featherston Bar, which is on the corner

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Speaker 21: of Featherston and Johnston Street and the CBD there. That's

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Speaker 21: our home away from home, well like our home venue

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Speaker 21: last season and also this upcoming season which is October,

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Speaker 21: so we should be there around two o'clock onwards and

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Speaker 21: then it's a five o'clock kickoff, so we'd be leaving

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Speaker 21: it up four.

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Speaker 8: That will include a march with flags drums.

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Speaker 21: We encourage everybody to bring their kids along, make some

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Speaker 21: noise they possibly like things like face painting and things

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Speaker 21: like that, and then yeah much in the stadium and

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Speaker 21: the stadium atmosphere. I think we'll be good as well

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Speaker 21: in that sold out feather zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be absolutely brilliant, all right, Sam.

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Speaker 3: Well, as I say, supporting any sports team as a

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Speaker 3: roller coaster, there are very few teams that win every week,

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Speaker 3: So congratulations on your ongoing support of Wellington Phoenix. I

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Speaker 3: hope that the Yellow Fever have a season to remember

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Speaker 3: when it rolls around again, and a great day next Saturday.

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Speaker 21: We remember every season, good or bad.

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Speaker 4: Good man, that's the spirit that is.

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Speaker 3: Sam Parkins a fully fledged and enthusiastic member of Yellow Fever,

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Speaker 3: joining us here at Shed twenty two Phoenix Wrecksham next Saturday,

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Speaker 3: five o'clock at Sky Stadium. Tickets are selling fast, I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of sold, but still some available if

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Speaker 3: you want to get along to that.

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Speaker 4: Seven and a half away from three News talks had been.

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Speaker 1: Flyve from Shed twenty two and ad and the All

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Speaker 3: That'd be and that brings to an end Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: for today from Shit twenty two and Wellington. Huge thanks

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Speaker 3: to the team here for accommodating us. That's the thanks

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Speaker 3: to Zoe Laddell for on site support and for producer

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Speaker 3: and McDonald pushing the buttons as usual. We've got the

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Speaker 3: exit song today, mate, what are we.

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Speaker 4: Going with the y spiney.

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Speaker 22: I've gone for Wellington themed scorpions actually rock you like

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Speaker 22: a hurricane and on hurricanes. Also those people that have

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Speaker 22: been dealing with the awful weather. I hope you're keeping

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Speaker 22: well as well. But scorpions to lead us out tonight.

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Speaker 4: Finey, excellent, Thanks Andy.

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Speaker 3: Join us tomorrow between mid day and three will break

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Speaker 3: down whatever happens tonight, whatever that may be.

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Speaker 4: See tomorrow at midday.

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