1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,827 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB on. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:19,867 Speaker 2: News Talk ZIRB. Andre frud is an executive director of 4 00:00:19,907 --> 00:00:25,507 Speaker 2: the Problem Gambling Foundation. She joins us now on the program. 5 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:28,747 Speaker 2: What's your reaction to a lot of these players that 6 00:00:28,827 --> 00:00:31,387 Speaker 2: we've heard from in the last week while Nique Bowry 7 00:00:31,427 --> 00:00:34,187 Speaker 2: and others as we heard on the program, Andre and 8 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:38,107 Speaker 2: the abuse that they've been getting on social media. 9 00:00:38,507 --> 00:00:42,067 Speaker 3: That's really concerning and unfortunately that's one of the awful 10 00:00:42,107 --> 00:00:46,267 Speaker 3: things that happens. The more we see gambling becoming entrenched 11 00:00:46,387 --> 00:00:49,227 Speaker 3: in sports, you know, we see it have an effect 12 00:00:49,387 --> 00:00:51,947 Speaker 3: on the players, you know who go out there. They're 13 00:00:52,027 --> 00:00:55,427 Speaker 3: highly skilled individuals and you know they're doing what they 14 00:00:55,467 --> 00:00:59,627 Speaker 3: do best, they're playing their sport, and people sometimes forget 15 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:02,747 Speaker 3: that gambling is gambling and that you're putting money on 16 00:01:03,267 --> 00:01:06,467 Speaker 3: something that is a risk and you don't know what 17 00:01:06,507 --> 00:01:08,227 Speaker 3: the outcome is going to be and that's the whole 18 00:01:08,307 --> 00:01:13,467 Speaker 3: nature of gambling. So yeah, it's unfortunate, that very unfortunate 19 00:01:13,547 --> 00:01:14,987 Speaker 3: that that sort of thing does go on. 20 00:01:15,467 --> 00:01:18,587 Speaker 2: Has your organization heard of sports people? Does this increase 21 00:01:18,747 --> 00:01:21,147 Speaker 2: an increasing trend that's happening around the globe. 22 00:01:21,667 --> 00:01:24,627 Speaker 3: I've certainly heard of it before, and I think, you know, 23 00:01:25,347 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 3: sports betting is really growing in many countries and it 24 00:01:29,347 --> 00:01:32,627 Speaker 3: contributes to about forty five percent of the online gambling 25 00:01:32,667 --> 00:01:36,547 Speaker 3: market share, So yeah, it's enormous and it's growing. So 26 00:01:36,827 --> 00:01:42,107 Speaker 3: that sort of thing I imagine will continue. And also, 27 00:01:42,267 --> 00:01:44,947 Speaker 3: you know, we know that gambling does have an impact 28 00:01:45,547 --> 00:01:50,267 Speaker 3: on the integrity of sports sometimes with sports sports betting too. 29 00:01:50,907 --> 00:01:53,187 Speaker 2: Do you think more can be fixing that's right? Do 30 00:01:53,187 --> 00:01:55,227 Speaker 2: you think more can be done to protect and help 31 00:01:55,267 --> 00:01:58,147 Speaker 2: sports people? I guess people will say it's a betting problem, 32 00:01:58,147 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 2: but it's also a social media problem. 33 00:02:00,907 --> 00:02:04,627 Speaker 3: It is, absolutely and you know that's the thing with 34 00:02:04,747 --> 00:02:07,867 Speaker 3: social media. People can and go on to social media 35 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:11,787 Speaker 3: and make these comments and it is really difficult for 36 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:15,067 Speaker 3: the players who do get enormously impacted. I'm sure by this. 37 00:02:15,747 --> 00:02:19,027 Speaker 3: And you know, the more we see, as I said, 38 00:02:19,147 --> 00:02:23,187 Speaker 3: gambling being becoming entrenched in sports, the more we do 39 00:02:23,227 --> 00:02:25,987 Speaker 3: see the negative side of that coming through. 40 00:02:26,587 --> 00:02:29,467 Speaker 2: And how much has that increased in recent years around 41 00:02:29,547 --> 00:02:32,427 Speaker 2: sports betting, because it seems like there are so many 42 00:02:32,467 --> 00:02:36,107 Speaker 2: avenues now and so many different options to bet on 43 00:02:36,747 --> 00:02:39,507 Speaker 2: a moment in a sports match. Or a certain thing 44 00:02:39,587 --> 00:02:42,387 Speaker 2: to transpire, or an individual to do a certain actor. 45 00:02:42,627 --> 00:02:45,707 Speaker 2: It seems to be much more prevalent than perhaps ten 46 00:02:45,747 --> 00:02:46,667 Speaker 2: to fifteen years ago. 47 00:02:47,707 --> 00:02:50,067 Speaker 3: It absolutely is. And I'm of the age when I 48 00:02:50,107 --> 00:02:52,587 Speaker 3: could go to a rugby game and gambling didn't even feature, 49 00:02:52,787 --> 00:02:56,307 Speaker 3: don't even think about it. But now you know, it's 50 00:02:56,387 --> 00:02:59,667 Speaker 3: easy twenty four seven access, you know, and the value 51 00:02:59,707 --> 00:03:03,067 Speaker 3: we placed on sports raises the potential for gambling risk 52 00:03:03,107 --> 00:03:06,747 Speaker 3: and harm as well. So just with the growth all 53 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:11,107 Speaker 3: the sort of side effects I guess of sports betting, 54 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:14,507 Speaker 3: which is the risk to people with gambling harm and 55 00:03:14,547 --> 00:03:16,907 Speaker 3: the things that you've talked about this morning as well? 56 00:03:17,387 --> 00:03:19,867 Speaker 2: What is your organization see I'm not sure where they 57 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:22,667 Speaker 2: have any sports people that have been a cop debuse 58 00:03:22,867 --> 00:03:25,627 Speaker 2: and come to you or not, But what's your organization 59 00:03:25,787 --> 00:03:29,947 Speaker 2: seeing on the level I guess of that increased increased 60 00:03:29,987 --> 00:03:30,987 Speaker 2: nature of sports betting. 61 00:03:31,747 --> 00:03:34,467 Speaker 3: Well, look, we're certainly seeing because we're seeing a lot 62 00:03:34,507 --> 00:03:39,987 Speaker 3: of aggressive advertising from the tab they're deliberately targeting eighteen 63 00:03:40,027 --> 00:03:42,707 Speaker 3: to twenty nine year olds with their app. We're seeing 64 00:03:42,707 --> 00:03:45,907 Speaker 3: a growth in young people presenting for help with gambling 65 00:03:45,907 --> 00:03:50,427 Speaker 3: harm and sports betting, and that will continue to grow, 66 00:03:50,987 --> 00:03:53,707 Speaker 3: and I think people need to understand that there is 67 00:03:53,747 --> 00:03:56,867 Speaker 3: a risk. And a study has shown that the rate 68 00:03:56,907 --> 00:03:59,947 Speaker 3: of harmful gambling among sports betters is higher than that 69 00:04:00,027 --> 00:04:03,907 Speaker 3: of the general gambling population, and young adults and youth, 70 00:04:04,027 --> 00:04:08,227 Speaker 3: particularly males, are at high risk for problems with sports betting. 71 00:04:09,027 --> 00:04:11,347 Speaker 3: And then you have things that you mentioned like live 72 00:04:11,427 --> 00:04:13,627 Speaker 3: and play betting, where you can bet on he'll score 73 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:17,947 Speaker 3: the next try, for example, and that's really strongly associated 74 00:04:17,987 --> 00:04:20,587 Speaker 3: with harmful gambling as well. So people just need to 75 00:04:20,587 --> 00:04:23,067 Speaker 3: be aware of the risks. And I think with the 76 00:04:23,067 --> 00:04:26,347 Speaker 3: increase in advertising and the partnership the ta B has 77 00:04:26,387 --> 00:04:28,707 Speaker 3: with Endtame, now we're going to see a lot more 78 00:04:28,747 --> 00:04:31,987 Speaker 3: harm happening in future years. 79 00:04:32,227 --> 00:04:34,827 Speaker 2: Andre free with us from the Problem Gambling Foundation. Andre's 80 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:36,867 Speaker 2: wondering your thoughts as well. There's a bill that would 81 00:04:37,787 --> 00:04:42,227 Speaker 2: basically direct all the online gambling sports gambling to THAB 82 00:04:42,627 --> 00:04:46,827 Speaker 2: and make outsider or offshore betting agencies are illegal to 83 00:04:46,867 --> 00:04:49,067 Speaker 2: bet their so all the betting that people there do 84 00:04:49,187 --> 00:04:51,787 Speaker 2: have to come via ta B. What's your view on. 85 00:04:51,747 --> 00:04:55,467 Speaker 3: That, Well, look, in principle, we support that, but there 86 00:04:55,507 --> 00:04:59,587 Speaker 3: will be unintended consequences because obviously there will be situations 87 00:04:59,907 --> 00:05:03,707 Speaker 3: where people will get around that. But I think you know, 88 00:05:03,747 --> 00:05:06,187 Speaker 3: the TAB has a big responsibility. If they're going to 89 00:05:06,187 --> 00:05:08,507 Speaker 3: have have the market share and be in the privileged 90 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:12,507 Speaker 3: position having a monopoly, then they need to increase their 91 00:05:12,507 --> 00:05:16,307 Speaker 3: consumer protections and make sure they've got really robust time 92 00:05:16,347 --> 00:05:20,787 Speaker 3: minimization things in place to protect New Zealanders. 93 00:05:21,387 --> 00:05:24,747 Speaker 2: That's Andre Food from the Problem Gambling Foundation joining us 94 00:05:24,747 --> 00:05:28,107 Speaker 2: on News Talk ZEBB. Fascinating time. Look, I think that 95 00:05:28,987 --> 00:05:32,347 Speaker 2: the box has been opened very very hard to close 96 00:05:32,787 --> 00:05:35,867 Speaker 2: on sports building, but you'd like to think something can 97 00:05:35,907 --> 00:05:40,267 Speaker 2: be done around the social media abuse that those athletes 98 00:05:40,347 --> 00:05:43,267 Speaker 2: are copying. Interesting topic for short. 99 00:05:43,627 --> 00:05:46,787 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 100 00:05:46,907 --> 00:05:50,307 Speaker 1: to News Talk ZEDB weekends from midday, or follow the 101 00:05:50,347 --> 00:05:51,787 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio