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Speaker 1: Now a new sex education curriculums being put out for

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Speaker 1: consultation by the government. Children from year four will learn

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Speaker 1: about consent, gender stereotypes and inclusion, while high school aged

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Speaker 1: kids will learn about sexual violence and menstrual cycles and STIs.

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Speaker 1: Carl Bruton's a president at Auckland Primary Principals Association with

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Speaker 1: me this morning. Carl, Good morning, Good morning, Ryan. Good

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Speaker 1: to have you on. So anything out of the ordinary

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Speaker 1: in this.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I haven't had a look at the

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Speaker 2: actual content of the proposed curriculum detail, but based on

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, that's largely why we're doing a consultation

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Speaker 2: because where some of those things are pitched doesn't quite

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Speaker 2: sit with what we would expect in terms of age

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Speaker 2: and stage of our little people.

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Speaker 1: What's inappropriate at what age do you think, Well.

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Speaker 2: If you flip it a little, at the pivotal change

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Speaker 2: is really the focus, particularly for those primary years, because

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Speaker 2: we've seen particularly things like periods are happening earlier and earlier.

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Speaker 2: We were see that that would be more beneficial to

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Speaker 2: be talking about mestrual cycles in those younger years and

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Speaker 2: just being quite upfront about that and including the boys

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Speaker 2: in those conversations as well, So it just eliminates all

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Speaker 2: the all the giggling and carrying on, and it just

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Speaker 2: makes it some of normalizes it a lot more at

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Speaker 2: those early years when you're starting to talk about things

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Speaker 2: like consent and if you even were going to entertain

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Speaker 2: things like sexual violence might have you. That's certainly something

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Speaker 2: for those older years. You wouldn't expect the year five

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Speaker 2: student to be having those conversations.

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Speaker 1: What about the big, the controversial elephant in the room

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Speaker 1: that you know, kicks of the protests off and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, is the gender and the puberty blockers. Is

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Speaker 1: that a primary school conversation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it is the contentious one. We don't know,

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Speaker 2: and that's that's the trouble. We are just teachers, right,

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Speaker 2: we're educators. We're not really sure in terms of psychologically,

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Speaker 2: in the psychology behind things like gender identity, where it

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Speaker 2: does best fit and is it something that a school

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Speaker 2: teacher should be trying to teach and grapple with. I mean,

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Speaker 2: certainly go down the road of being respectful and inclusive.

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Speaker 2: And people are all prone and titled to their opinions

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Speaker 2: and views, and we should support anyone who thinks whatever

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Speaker 2: they think, and we just should be good to eat

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Speaker 2: one another. We don't sort of get into the detail,

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Speaker 2: but so it does beg the question is there's something

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Speaker 2: for schools to grapple with and that's why again this

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Speaker 2: is this consultation should hopefully bring some clarity.

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Speaker 1: Good point, Kyle, Appreciate your time, Kyle, Briton, Auckland Primary

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