1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with that's a good afternoon. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Surprised or not a surprise that they kicked out the 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: two MPs. 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Well, it was a long time coming, wasn't it. 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: But Baiden Barber, poor Baden Barber from the Ewee chairs. 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: They've been flying up and down the country trying to 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: stitch this thing. Sorry for well, you know, it's been embarrassed. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of work going on 9 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: behind the scenes to try and bring the factions together. 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Then they you've got the leadership, haven't You've got a 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: third of the Bali Party are now out of the 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: out of not parliament, but out of the party, which 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: is pretty extraordinary. There we have only in my time there've 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: only been two MPs expelled from parties. Donna Terri Huata 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: she was expelled by the act Party and you've got 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 2: recently Darlene Tana after all that going on with the Greens, 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: she went. But it's very rare to expel an MP 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: from a political party, and you know, an electorate MP. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: They could invoke the war jumping legislation that would enforce 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: a by election and these two big electorates, but they 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: have to go to the Speaker and talk to him 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: about that. And I don't think he would be of 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: a mind to think about by election. And he can't 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: stop them, And no, we can't stop them, but they 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: have to have that discussion. But we know with them 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: it's not that easy. Look the we really don't know 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: what Takuta Ferris did wrong other than doing that late 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: night video. What he really did wrong Rawery White Tea. 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: He had a message for his party's membership today though, 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: which apparently has been bleeding membership since the internal wrangle 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: began several weeks ago. Stick with us and we'll deliver 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: government next year. 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: Our responsibility and our future earn our hands. This week 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: marks one year since the Hiko and Multiturity with Tanta 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: Tanata Tidty and Tanata Mona stood together and stopped the 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: treat principles. That is what happens when we are unified 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: and purposeful. That is the standard we expect. We have 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: begun serious and constructive conversations with the Labor Party and 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: the Green Party. Now, people on the streets and the 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: polls have told us they want a government led by 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: our three parties at the helm. We will work to 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: deliver that outcome front today. We will not comment further 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: on this internal matter. 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: There you go, so they believe firmly they're going to 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: be members of any coalition government. And when he says 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: that says that the Treaty Principal's bill was stopped by 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: that equoy, I think he should just go back and 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: reflect on that, because it was Chris Luxon that said 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: it wasn't going to go beyond the first Radio had 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Callum has a question for you. Wasn't Alaminkupu also kicked 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: out of the alliance? 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: She was out of the alliance, but I don't think 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: she was expelled in the way these people expel. 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on with the Cox Oh? 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: Well, what is going on? Listen? 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: It's eighteen million dollars that was withheld. Didn't make a difference. 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't think thirty millions. 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that this has been going on 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: since February, since Mark Brown, the Prime Minister there, signed 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: some sort of a deal, strategic deal with China. The 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: danger in all of this, Heather is though, that it'll 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 2: drive the Cook Islands and other other Pacific countries into 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: the arms of the Chinese. That's the danger. But look, 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: certainly there is a way through. And in two thousand 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: and one the Joint Centenary Declaration signed between our two 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: countries said that you had to consult each other when 68 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: it came to defense and security. There was no consultation 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: that Mark Brown did with our government. And in February, 70 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: of course, Mark Brown signed that comprehensive Strategic partnership with China. 71 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: Now it could be brought back this relationship if you 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: listen to Chris Luxon, he's just said that that'll require 73 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: Mark Brown to come back to the take table to 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: discuss it. 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: It needs to be progressed, and there is some little progress, 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: but we want a lot more of it, and we 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: want trust restored, and we want clarity and mitigations to 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: the questions that we have answered, and until we see so, 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: will pause our budgetary support. But of course that doesn't 80 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: preclude a lot of other money going into key parts 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 4: of supporting other people with the Corook Islands as well. 82 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: I'm confident that they know that they will take this 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: pretty seriously, which is that they need to come to 84 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: the table. They need to demonstrate to us that they 85 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: understand the obligations. 86 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: And it's not just the money heither. It's the relationship 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: that New Zealand has always had with the Cook Islands 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: being a realm country, that we're sort of their protectorate 89 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: in a way. 90 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: You're right, Alamon Coopoo defected. 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: She resigned. Yea, Barry, thanks very much. 92 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate it very much, Political correspondent. 93 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: For more from Heather Duplassy, Alan Drive, listen live to 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 95 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.