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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 2: coverage like no one else. News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going to

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Speaker 3: speak to the father of the teenager arrested in that

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Speaker 3: Gaza flotilla, the boss of the warehouse on how he's

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Speaker 3: going to turn this particular ship around. In the former

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Speaker 3: Maori Party candidate Mechaphyity on what is now quite obvious

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Speaker 3: fighting in the party.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplicy Ellen, Look, I reckon.

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't panic too much on behalf of those three

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Speaker 3: New Zealand citizens who've been intercepted by the Israeli military

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Speaker 3: and the flotilla, because I mean, obviously we want international

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Speaker 3: law to be followed. But it's pretty clear that these

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Speaker 3: guys knew what they were getting themselves into and did

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Speaker 3: it anyway. I mean, they are absolutely milking this for

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Speaker 3: all that it's worth, with the social media posts claiming

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Speaker 3: they've been kidnapped and all that kind of stuff by

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Speaker 3: the Israelis. By the way, but they knew this was

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Speaker 3: going to happen and they were prepared for it because

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Speaker 3: it is what happened to Greta in June. She was

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Speaker 3: they took her to ash Dodd and they kept her

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Speaker 3: her watch a video of the October seven massacre. She

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Speaker 3: didn't want to, and then they put her on a

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Speaker 3: plane in the back row right in front of the toilets,

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Speaker 3: then they packed her off home and that was fine,

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Speaker 3: and so they got on some warships and they tried

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Speaker 3: play out in exactly the same way. And for that reason,

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Speaker 3: I think it is fair to call this a stunt,

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Speaker 3: being that what they're doing there's something that they know

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Speaker 3: has no reasonable chance of success, which is delivering aid

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Speaker 3: to Gaza. But they're doing it anyway to draw attention

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Speaker 3: to Gaza. That's a stunt. Now, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: it is horrific and intolerable what's happening there. And if

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Speaker 3: there is any doubt that the Israelis are deliberately constraining

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Speaker 3: the flow of aid. I think that was quite quite

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Speaker 3: then full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza strip,

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Speaker 3: So I understand why they want to draw attention to it,

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Speaker 3: but I still don't have much time for stunts like

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Speaker 3: thing that they're trying to draw attention to, which is

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Speaker 3: the starvation in Gaza. They only really draw attention to themselves,

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Speaker 3: which is Greha and her mates. That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about Gaza today, are we We're talking

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Speaker 3: about Greha and her mates. The whole thing becomes about

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Speaker 3: the safety and the treatment of the activists, not the

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Speaker 3: safety and the treatment of the people of Gaza. And frankly,

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Speaker 3: they are, in my opinion, of no value whatsoever to

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Speaker 3: the people of Gaza right now. Now. Obviously, I do

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Speaker 3: hope the IDEAF treats these kids well. Our diplomats. Diplomats

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Speaker 3: have asked for as much, but they knew this was

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Speaker 3: The text understandard text fees apply. Now. There are a

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Speaker 3: little bit of few concerns about the prescription of tramadol

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Speaker 3: and whether it's being abused. More than two hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand people would prescribe tramadol last year, with an

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Speaker 3: by the Drug Detection Agency. Doctor j Gong is with

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Speaker 3: me on this, hij jod o Heather, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Why are we seeing this increase?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a number of reasons. I think

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Speaker 4: Well, what we've shown how past research that yes, tremida

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Speaker 4: So it's not really true that just because it's weak,

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Speaker 4: think it's quite important to emphasize that, you know, immediately

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Speaker 4: terms of side effect, you know, tremada is also quite

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying. Look, does this kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we I haven't looked at that in

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Speaker 4: But again that's not something that I've looked at myself.

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Speaker 6: Jay.

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Speaker 3: If somebody is concerned about this and doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: HM. That's a very good point, Jay, Thanks very much.

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Speaker 3: University School of Pharmacy. I tossed up whether I wanted

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Speaker 3: this blast from the past sounds like old cold Play.

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Speaker 3: Kiss cam Ceo is back with his wife. So they

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but you don't exercise with

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Speaker 7: He chop his leg off. He just looks at you

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Speaker 8: But anyway, whatever, you know, that's the way you do

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's it, Like who cares?

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Speaker 9: How?

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Speaker 6: I love you?

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Speaker 3: For me, championship has been a mess? Was that you

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Speaker 3: She says, She says, you agreed with her that that

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Speaker 6: Really, Darcy, it's really hard to predict this championship because

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Speaker 3: You mean by Championship has been a mess.

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Speaker 6: Well, champions has been a mess because we know there's

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Speaker 6: how to clean your room. Yeah, anyway, house right now?

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Speaker 7: Free sh I'm a collection a bourbon bottles sitting on

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Speaker 11: All right.

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Speaker 6: I did that when I was seventeen.

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Speaker 3: And it's still there. No there wor Darcy water Grave

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Speaker 3: Sports Stalk Hoasta Mustache Guy for twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen

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Speaker 3: They'd be oh, this is an interesting idea, nurses text

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Speaker 3: that really big one. He has now cut his ties

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 3: The leaders run the place like a dictatorship, and the

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Speaker 2: News Talks Big, the day's newspakers talked to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: Heather dupersy Ellen drive with.

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Speaker 2: One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News

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Speaker 2: Talks VAC.

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Speaker 3: Run after five o'flop, We're going to have a chat

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Speaker 3: to the new boss of the Warehouse Group, Chees. These

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Speaker 3: guys have got a tough a it's been a tough

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Speaker 3: year again. They've delivered a net loss of two point

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Speaker 3: He's if I remember correctly, he's come over from South

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Speaker 3: Chrishpkins has just weighed in on the flotilla.

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Speaker 12: The New Zealand government needs to do everything it can

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Speaker 3: Barrisopa with us in ten minutes time on that twenty

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: The flotilla heading to Gaza has been intercepted by the

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Speaker 13: We have many many boats ahead of us. They are

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Speaker 13: more more than likely military vessos. And at least stay

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Speaker 14: We are prepared to lean. Remember the training.

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Speaker 3: Over in the US. Pope Leo has taken aim at

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Speaker 15: Some have chosen to deride the increasingly evident signs of

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Speaker 3: He called for pressure on governments to develop tougher climate standards.

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Speaker 3: And finally, only chocolate will do. And in this mood,

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Speaker 3: I have to have my chocolate, Pavlover. Chocolate could be

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Speaker 3: about to get cheaper. That's the best news you've had

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Speaker 3: all day, probably a week, if not all season. Chocolate

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Speaker 3: because it's new European Trade Deal means treats like chocolates

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murray old Ossie, correspondent is with US MARS.

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Speaker 5: Hello, very good afternoon.

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Speaker 7: Edn't listen.

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Speaker 3: I just got to confirm location. You are in the

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Speaker 3: Toilet's our Chinese restaurant.

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Speaker 5: Yes I am. I'm having a delicious young char lunch.

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Speaker 5: We've just demolished the first course. Green tea is the

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we're just going to you just bar the

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Speaker 3: let them in afterwards. Not really a surprise, is it

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Speaker 3: that the mushroom chef is appealing the guilty verdicts.

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Speaker 5: That's right, dear Aaron Patterson. She's fifty one years old

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Speaker 5: and if she doesn't succeed an appeal, she will be

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Speaker 5: thing she's appealing against, the guilty verdicts, not the length

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Speaker 5: of sentence for murdering three relatives trying to murder report.

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Speaker 5: The jury found it guilty for baross with the small

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Speaker 5: Pattison attended the hearing heather by a video link from jail.

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Speaker 5: She's got a new legal team and it's headed by

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Speaker 5: this very high profile barristers guy called Julian McMahon sc

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Speaker 5: that confirmation coming this morning in the in the Victorian

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Speaker 3: How was she affording it? Because I thought she'd sold

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Speaker 5: I have no idea and these guys as you know,

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Speaker 5: five thousand and six ten thousand bucks a day. So

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Speaker 5: I'm going to how she's paying for it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so interesting. What's happening with your house prices?

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Speaker 13: Must right?

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Speaker 5: House prices. New figures today show, well, it's a crisis

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Speaker 5: over here. I understand it's pretty much a crisis over

447
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Speaker 5: home in New Zealand as well. These figures produced by

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Speaker 5: Sky News the Ossie housing crisis bad and getting worse,

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Speaker 5: housing prices rising nearly twice as fast as wages that

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Speaker 5: since the COVID pandemic twenty twenty. The national median house

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Speaker 5: price ever here has jumped fifty two percent the last

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Speaker 5: five years, fifty two percent, up from five hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty five thousand dollars December twenty twenty September this year

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Speaker 5: eight hundred and sixty k so three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: jump three even things up, Incomes will have to jump,

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Speaker 5: according to these figures, by nineteen percent, or house prices

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Speaker 5: to four by sixteen percent. Neither's going to happen. Salaries

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Speaker 5: are up over the same time by a poultry sixteen

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars. The average salary up from sixty to seventy

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Speaker 5: six thousand dollars. No wonder. People are screaming. And at

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Speaker 5: the same time, the federal governments just launched this week

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Speaker 5: help for first home buyers. If you've got a five

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Speaker 5: percent deposit, you can now get access to government help

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Speaker 5: to get you in your own home. The rules have

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Speaker 5: been changed. It's called the Home Guarantee Scheme. Previously, you know,

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Speaker 5: young borrowers had to have twenty percent deposit. Well, good

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Speaker 5: luck on that. You can't save twenty percent while you're

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Speaker 5: paying rent somewhere else. So, in other words, this five

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Speaker 5: percent scheme is going to have ninety five percent borrowings

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Speaker 5: and mortgages. Now, there's two warnings this afternoon. It's going

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Speaker 5: to push up prices even higher. Plus means testing has

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Speaker 5: been removed. God only knows why, Heather, so there's nothing

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Speaker 5: to stop they could him the opposition over here, nothing

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Speaker 5: at all to stop wealthy investors jumping in your jumping

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Speaker 5: first time buyers who are desperate scheme get their first

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Speaker 5: little place anywhere, any size, will do just to get

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Speaker 5: their foot in the market.

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Speaker 3: Listen, is it becoming more and more likely that Daisy

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Speaker 3: Freeman is not alive?

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Speaker 5: Oh? For sure, for sure. Thirty seven days now, he's

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Speaker 5: been on the run, no sightings whatsoever the police. I

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Speaker 5: don't know why they did it. Today they've renewed the

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Speaker 5: appeal to people. You know, if you know anything about

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Speaker 5: us whereabouts, please come forward. By the way, there's a

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Speaker 5: million dollar award out there. But there's been no sighting

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Speaker 5: of them, no campfires, no empty tins of bake beans,

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Speaker 5: and you have to think at some point the police

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Speaker 5: are saying the search is continuing, but at some point,

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Speaker 5: as a not too distant future hither you'd have to

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Speaker 5: assume they would have to assume that he's dead somewhere

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Speaker 5: out there. It's a hell of a remote country, as

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Speaker 5: we've discussed before, and he could be anywhere. But you know,

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Speaker 5: the longer there's no sighting, you'd have to assume he's dead.

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Speaker 3: Maz, what's next on the what's your next course?

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Speaker 5: I was eye enough to spring rolls, but there's some

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Speaker 5: delicious pork buns out there. We already had one of

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Speaker 5: those and some fantastic little dumplings that I want to

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Speaker 5: second help it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like having lunch again, Mars. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: go and enjoy it. Murray OL's Australia correspondent. We managed

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Speaker 3: to make it through there without without anybody intercepting him

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Speaker 3: in the toilet eighteen away.

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Speaker 1: From five Heather do for see.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but can you actually believe Hipkins telling the

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Speaker 3: government what to do over the Garza Flottella. He is

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Speaker 3: the guy that treated people so badly during COVID and

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Speaker 3: kept them out of the out of the country. What

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Speaker 3: a good point here he is being like, oh, are

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Speaker 3: you pregnant in Afghanistan? No, sorry, you can't come back

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Speaker 3: into the country. Oh did you knowingly bored a flotilla

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Speaker 3: and go try to get to Gaza and you knew

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Speaker 3: what was we need to get you back? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: Chippy for you. Hilarious. This is Chippy's problem. We haven't forgotten,

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Speaker 3: have we. We haven't forgotten and we will not forget

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Speaker 3: what he's been up to. Listen, if you've been to

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Speaker 3: the doctor lately and you've looked at the script and

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Speaker 3: go what the actual hell? You will relate with this.

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Speaker 3: A court in India has taken on the doctors with

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Speaker 3: their dodgy handwriting. So this is a court. The Punjab

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Speaker 3: in Hariana High Court has ordered doctors that they have

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Speaker 3: to write legibly because in their opinion. A llegible prescription

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Speaker 3: is a patient's fundamental right as it can make a

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Speaker 3: difference between life and death. And it's come about because

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Speaker 3: a judge could not make got given a medico legal

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Speaker 3: report and could not make out a single word, like,

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Speaker 3: not one word at all. He said it shook the

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Speaker 3: conscience of this court that not even a word or

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Speaker 3: a letter was legible. So he has ordered the doctors

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Speaker 3: in India until India fully switches to digital prescriptions, which

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Speaker 3: I don't know how long we're not even fully switched

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Speaker 3: to digital prescriptions. So you know this is going to

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Speaker 3: be potential one hundreds of years for India as well.

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Speaker 3: Doctors have to write in block letters and the courts

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Speaker 3: even suggested handwriting letters for the medical students. Bang On

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Speaker 3: seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence

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Speaker 3: with Us Right now, High.

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Speaker 7: Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What's going on in the Maori Party?

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Speaker 7: Well you may well ask quite a lot really when

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Speaker 7: you get the son of one of the Maori Parties

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Speaker 7: MPs who was their whip up until recently and who

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Speaker 7: was fired as the whip and the job was taken

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Speaker 7: over by the leader or one of the co leader,

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Speaker 7: Debira Packer. You know, the party is not certainly going

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Speaker 7: along as smoothly as what it should do. And this

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Speaker 7: guy Rukupa Kingi, he was the person who organized that

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Speaker 7: massive Equoi to Parliament which was a great equal no

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Speaker 7: violence and it was held pretty well. But reminds me

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Speaker 7: a bit of the time when the Alliance Party was falling,

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Speaker 7: falling apart in two thousand and two and Jim Andersen

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Speaker 7: went often formed the Progressive Party. But there's a difference here.

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Speaker 7: The Maori Party have seats, so they constituentcy MPs and

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Speaker 7: if you've got them arguing like this, then you're, you know,

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Speaker 7: the people that are representing their constituency. It's much harder

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Speaker 7: to break away.

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Speaker 3: In trying to make is am I right in thinking

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Speaker 3: that that if the leadership doesn't like what Maria Menor

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Speaker 3: and Ferris Takuta Feris are doing, they can't fire them.

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Speaker 3: Are electoral MPs.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, and that's the difficulty they've got. But

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Speaker 7: when you look at the Sun the organizer of the Equi,

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Speaker 7: he's saying that their leadership is nothing short of a dictatorship. Now,

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Speaker 7: that's what we've been told, but we don't know.

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Speaker 3: Exactly he's run. If you're a successful part in the way,

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Speaker 3: you know, the way that we do politics currently and

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Speaker 3: have done for a very long time, it's always run centralized, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, of course your leaders call the shots.

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Speaker 7: The leaders tend to call the shots. But when you've

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Speaker 7: got a rebel MP, and look, I've seen many rebel

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Speaker 7: MPs over the years, and your older listeners will remember,

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Speaker 7: starting with Mike Minogue and Rob Muldoon back in the

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Speaker 7: early eighties. You know the MPs they do sometimes go

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Speaker 7: out and speak like Ferris Terrible getting the names. I'm

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Speaker 7: afraid hither that fellow firess who runs, who represents the

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Speaker 7: whole of the South Island, you know he he I

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Speaker 7: don't know what he was doing in that late night

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Speaker 7: cross on social media, but he didn't seem to, I

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Speaker 7: think know what he was doing himself, even though he

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Speaker 7: did triple down on it.

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Speaker 3: Can I just suggest though, that the loss of Eru

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Speaker 3: Kappakinghi is actually quite significant for the Malordi Party because

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Speaker 3: he runs, He was very very he assisted them a

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Speaker 3: lot with that.

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Speaker 7: H he was a candidate and the former vice president.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but that hekoi that he ran for them was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: He is to them, I think a little bit like

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Speaker 3: the unions are to Labor. It's like the loss of

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Speaker 3: the unions would be quite significant to Labor.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's you know, significant for the party.

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Speaker 7: And the difficulty, of course is for Crusipkins because I

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Speaker 7: see he's distanced himself yet again from the Mahori Party.

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Speaker 7: But the more they behave like this, the less it

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Speaker 7: looks like that Labor would lead a government at the

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Speaker 7: next election. I don't think it would anyway, but the

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Speaker 7: Malordi Party would have to be part of that.

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Speaker 3: Any word from Jonesy on the old Energy announcement, It's.

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Speaker 7: Will have been deafened by Jonesy's silence actually, and I

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Speaker 7: think I'm sure he doesn't want to pete of what

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Speaker 7: we saw when the twenty seventeen government was formed and

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Speaker 7: he was standing on the stage with Jasinda Dern and

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Speaker 7: Megan Woods when they announced there would be no more

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Speaker 7: exploration of oil and gas in this country. And you

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Speaker 7: remember he buried his hand, had his head in his

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Speaker 7: hands on stage. It's pretty obvious, it's a real protest.

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Speaker 7: But look, Jonesy feels that there should be more. There

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Speaker 7: should be more radical this reform of the electricity system.

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Speaker 7: He would like to see renationalization of it. He wrote

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Speaker 7: a twenty pa page report for Winston Peters outlining his

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Speaker 7: views some time ago. So look, the fact that he

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Speaker 7: didn't turn up to the announcement was no accident. I

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Speaker 7: talked to him today and he said, oh, there happened

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Speaker 7: to be a Maori Women's Welfare League meeting in Katya

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Speaker 7: as it was on your back door. Jonesie, Oh, that's

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Speaker 7: very heady. But I'll tell you what. He will be

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Speaker 7: speaking tomorrow at a thing with Winston Peters. There will

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Speaker 7: be a lot of protesters there, I would imagine on

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Speaker 7: the Palestinian situation with Winston turning out. But I think

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Speaker 7: you'll find him putting paid to the suggestion by Chris

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Speaker 7: Hipkins continually that no gas has been found in New

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Speaker 7: Zealand because gas has been discovered, he.

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Speaker 3: Very quickly, can you just run me through what's gone

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Speaker 3: on here with the Monyeru onm that I because the

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Speaker 3: cop said is not enough evidence to lay corruption charges yet.

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Speaker 7: And look, it's fear if the police say that because

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Speaker 7: they not only brought in the serious fraud Offers to

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Speaker 7: review their investigation into it, they also brought in the

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Speaker 7: Public Service Commission and they say there's not enough evidence.

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Speaker 7: Now you'll remember a lot of people that worked at

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Speaker 7: the Malay said that information was being handed over. They

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Speaker 7: were looking at corruption charges possibly being laid, but they

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Speaker 7: said the evidence is not there. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 7: there was nothing to answer for.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Barry, thanks very much, Barry Sober Chief Seeingior Political correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: Hard Talk and Bold takes big stories. It's the Mic Hosking.

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Speaker 16: Breakfast, just Bishops Housing, Minister, the Dixon Street Department.

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Speaker 17: Things.

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Speaker 16: Explain to me how a state owned agency sells something

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Speaker 16: for a million that the people who buy it under

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Speaker 16: a first preference deal then flick it for three How

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Speaker 16: does that work?

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Speaker 18: Well, the land's got a rider first refusal on it,

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Speaker 18: which means they got to offer it to the locallyweed.

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Speaker 16: But the market paid three million dollars for it about

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Speaker 16: three minutes op for one. I understood it to be.

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Speaker 16: When it came to the Mari there was something culturally significant, sure,

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Speaker 16: but a duney old building that you can make a

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Speaker 16: couple of million dollars on by Wednesday. Is that part

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Speaker 16: of the treaty negotiation settlement processes.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they've got access to a whole lot of land

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Speaker 10: in Wellington that is part of their deal.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the Land Drover, Defend and News.

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Speaker 3: Talk zb omg here that those boat protesters knew exactly

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Speaker 3: what would happen over their hipkins can go over and

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Speaker 3: rescue them himself five away from five listen. Obviously, the

659
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Speaker 3: news today was that Jane Goodall has died aged ninety one.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you realized this. I didn't realize this,

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Speaker 3: but Jane Goodill never did a BA. She was only

662
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Speaker 3: the eighth person in the history of Cambridge University to

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Speaker 3: be given a PhD without having got herself a BA first,

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Speaker 3: and she basically got it through field work. So she

665
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Speaker 3: in the late nineteen fifties, she tagged along with a

666
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Speaker 3: very famous paleontologist who was working in Africa and he

667
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Speaker 3: employed her. She turned up, he employed her. He sent

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Speaker 3: her off to Lake Tangua, Yika to study a group

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Speaker 3: of chimpanzees over there because he wanted a long study

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Speaker 3: done on them, and so basically she was employed to

671
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Speaker 3: just sit there and watch them for months and months

672
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Speaker 3: and months and then you know, take notes and figure

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Speaker 3: out what was going on. At the start, she couldn't

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Speaker 3: even get close to them at all, So she found

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Speaker 3: a clearing away from them and watched them, and they

676
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Speaker 3: ignored her. But then after a while their curiosity got

677
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Speaker 3: the better of them and they went over and you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess, poked around what she was up to. And

679
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: because of that, because they were comfortable with her, she

680
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Speaker 3: got to it things no one had ever seen before.

681
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Speaker 3: She saw the chimpanzees acting like very similar to how

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Speaker 3: we act. We know this now, we take this as

683
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Speaker 3: a given, but no one knew this at the time.

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Speaker 3: So they would excitedly greet each other with hugs and kisses.

685
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Speaker 3: They'd walked together holding hands. She saw a male chimp

686
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Speaker 3: meat a female by taking her hand in his and

687
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Speaker 3: then kissing it, bringing it up to his lips and

688
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Speaker 3: kissing the hand. All the stuff completely blew the minds

689
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Speaker 3: of people back then. Her first discovery that was really

690
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Speaker 3: significant was that chimps ate meat. No one knew that beforehand.

691
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Speaker 3: The second one was that they used tools like us.

692
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Speaker 3: It was five months into her study and she watched

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Speaker 3: a chimp fishing for termites with a twig that he

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Speaker 3: had specially fashioned for the purpose. Until then, it had

695
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Speaker 3: been thought that what separated men from animals, or man

696
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Speaker 3: from animals was the ability our ability to make tools. Anyway,

697
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Speaker 3: after a while, the chimps stopped liking having her around.

698
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Speaker 3: They started to psych her out, and they tried to

699
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Speaker 3: bully her and shake the trees and stomp their feet

700
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Speaker 3: and make all these loud noises together. But she she

701
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Speaker 3: just took it in her stride. She wasn't going to

702
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Speaker 3: be psyched out with them. And then after that they

703
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Speaker 3: accepted it, and she basically was able to participate in

704
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of their rituals like grooming and blah

705
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Speaker 3: blah blah. Anyway, nineteen sixty five, became only the eighth

706
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Speaker 3: person in the history of Cambridge to receive a PhD

707
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Speaker 3: without having first got a BA. And her work is

708
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Speaker 3: being described as almost comparable with Einstein's. So quite a

709
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Speaker 3: remarkable woman, all right. Next we'll talk to the father

710
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Speaker 3: of that teenager from Levin who is in trouble with

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Speaker 3: the IDF for being on that Flotella News Dogsbay.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, find a fag sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: the power of satellite mobile news DOORGSB Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: A teenager is among three New Zealand citizens who have

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Speaker 3: been detained by Israeli defense forces off the coast of Gaza.

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Speaker 3: The three were with Greta Tunberg on border float tiller

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Speaker 3: trying to reach the Gaza Strip. Now Ad Leason is

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Speaker 3: the father of eighteen year old Samuel Leson and is

721
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Speaker 3: with us. Hi Ad. Yeah, I'm very well, thanks mate,

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Speaker 3: you been in touch with your son at all?

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Speaker 19: Well, the last time you spoke was last evening, New

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Speaker 19: Zealand time.

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Speaker 3: And is this before the IDF came on board.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so we kind of spoke to him last night

727
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Speaker 19: and all of the signals were suggesting that something was imminent.

728
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Speaker 19: There was a submarine had surfaced and was circling the

729
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Speaker 19: floatilla and there was the blockade of various military vessels

730
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Speaker 19: in the distance between them and the Gaza beach. So

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Speaker 19: it was all kind of lining up. We were comforted

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Speaker 19: by the fact that the Israeli Defense forces announced they

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Speaker 19: weren't going to attack vessels, sink them and shoot people

734
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Speaker 19: in the water like they did on another occasion, So

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Speaker 19: we took comfort from that. And the way it looks

736
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Speaker 19: like it's playing out is that they are boarding ships,

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Speaker 19: taking people and and processing them on their on their battleships.

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Speaker 3: And then what presumably just sending them home?

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Speaker 19: Are they Yeah, I mean I think again the pattern

740
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Speaker 19: seems to be they put them in these detention centers.

741
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Speaker 19: There's there's some hundred thousand Palestinians and in these massive

742
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Speaker 19: detention centers. So the activists get thrown and there. Some

743
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Speaker 19: activists are choosing to kind of get a get a

744
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Speaker 19: fast track deportation, I think at their own expense. Other

745
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Speaker 19: other activists have chosen to sit it out in the

746
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Speaker 19: cells as a kind of a witness to the war

747
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 19: crimes that are taking place and taking their you know,

748
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Speaker 19: taking their fight into the cells. I guess Samuel announced

749
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Speaker 19: last night that he would be, you know, staying on

750
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Speaker 19: a little bit longer, so he's choosing.

751
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Speaker 3: To talk him out of that at all.

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Speaker 19: Look, I don't know if you've ever raised teenagers, they

753
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 19: do exactly what you say they are totally obedient and compliant,

754
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 19: which which of course is not true. So he's a

755
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 19: young man with his own mind. He's had he's had

756
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Speaker 19: a strong and rich Catholic formation within an anarchist community

757
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 19: called the Catholic Worker. So he's he's been exposed to

758
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 19: lots of different ideas. He's been in the Mardi world

759
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 19: and drawing deeply from I guess all sorts of traditions,

760
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Speaker 19: and he has made up his own mind.

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Speaker 6: What can you do?

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen any expectation from the New Zealand government here?

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Speaker 19: Well, yes, we've got a fantastic history of standing up

764
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Speaker 19: to French nuclear testing in the Pacific and and apartheid

765
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Speaker 19: in South Africare and we can we can go back

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Speaker 19: through our long and storied history. Unfortunately, we've got an

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Speaker 19: administration who seems to be content to be sitting on

768
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Speaker 19: their hands, asleep at the wheel. While a's terrible, the

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Speaker 19: most arguably the most obscene atrocities of our generation, because

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Speaker 19: it's it's done by a modern country just like us,

771
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Speaker 19: one we do sports with and trade with, and we

772
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Speaker 19: see the Israelis as close friends and now they're now

773
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 19: they're descending into some sort of barbarism. And and Winston

774
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Speaker 19: Peters unfortunately is you know, is touching himself at work

775
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 19: and not doing his job. He's just he's looking the

776
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Speaker 19: other way. And his ministry are doing a fine job.

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Speaker 19: They're communicating, they're helping, but they're working within the parameters

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Speaker 19: of the minister which are.

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Speaker 1: Very restrictive.

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Speaker 3: All right, Adi, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Best

781
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Speaker 3: of luck with everything. Ad Leson, who's the father of

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Speaker 3: Samuel Leeson who's been arrested by the ID. If it's

783
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Speaker 3: eleven past five, heller do for Cee Allen Right. The

784
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Speaker 3: Warehouse Group has had another tough year, it's been reported,

785
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Speaker 3: or rather it has reported a net loss of two

786
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Speaker 3: point eight million dollars for the year. Mark Sturton is

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Speaker 3: the chief executive of the Warehouse Group. Harmark, Hi, you

788
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Speaker 3: that tough day.

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Speaker 13: For you guys.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a tough day.

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Speaker 21: You know.

792
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Speaker 20: The economy is in a tough space as well, and

793
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Speaker 20: we're feeling it as a retailer in these conditions and

794
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 20: consumers are doing a tough and yeah, we're proud that

795
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Speaker 20: we were able to keep our top line in the

796
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Speaker 20: positive in this environment, but unfortunately we had to reduce

797
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Speaker 20: some of our prices and be competitive with a lot

798
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Speaker 20: more promotions and clearance, which hurt our gross margins and

799
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Speaker 20: they're ultimately our result at the bottom line, despite doing

800
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Speaker 20: some really good work on cost control.

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Speaker 3: How much of what is going on with the warehouse

802
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: is down to the economy and how much of it

803
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Speaker 3: is down to the warehouse and its own problems.

804
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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think that the economy is definitely weighing on

805
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 20: the consumer sentiments. I mean, we're still getting over all

806
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 20: the brands. We still get one point seven million people

807
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 20: come through our doors every week, which is incredible number

808
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 20: of visits for us as a brand. So we're definitely

809
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 20: getting the foot traffic and our conversions up across all

810
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 20: our brands, which is great. People are finding the things

811
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Speaker 20: that we that they want. Unfortunately, the basket sizes are

812
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 20: not as big as what they need to be, and

813
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 20: that's also a function of the mix of the products

814
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Speaker 20: that people are buying. We're seeing a lot more people

815
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 20: buying into smaller items, ticket items, which you know, you

816
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 20: have to sell a lot more of those to make

817
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 20: up the dollars that.

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Speaker 17: You need in order to get the top line moving,

819
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 17: so and.

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Speaker 20: A lot of those items come at lower margin. So

821
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 20: that's really the story is that we've and that's across

822
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Speaker 20: all three of our brands. We've found that the mix

823
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Speaker 20: of the products that are being sold is actually also

824
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Speaker 20: affect our gross margin.

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Speaker 3: How long have you been in the job now?

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Speaker 20: Ours the group's CFO, and I came over in April

827
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Speaker 20: last year, so yeah, I've been in the role for

828
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Speaker 20: fifteen months and then I took over on the first

829
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Speaker 20: of August the CEO.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you see a way to turn this around?

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Speaker 20: Definitely. I think we've got incredible brands. I've actually I

832
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Speaker 20: can't believe that we've actually got that endowment of one

833
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Speaker 20: point seven million feet. I mean, you think about New

834
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Speaker 20: Zealand's a population of five point two million, and you've

835
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Speaker 20: got that amount of visitors coming through your stores every week.

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Speaker 20: It's owns our job to convert those feet into more

837
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Speaker 20: meaningful baskets. And you know, our stores under our old

838
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Speaker 20: strategy was more digitally focused, and we're going to get

839
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Speaker 20: more focused on our stores. We've got some incredible house

840
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Speaker 20: brands that have probably fallen by the wayside, and we're

841
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Speaker 20: going to amplify those and so we're really going to

842
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 20: dig into our rural and regional roots, which were exceptionally

843
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Speaker 20: strong as a business in those towns and cities, and

844
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Speaker 20: then those are our urban areas where we've got a

845
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Speaker 20: lot more competition. We probably haven't invest enough in the

846
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 20: store experience and things like lighting and visual merchandising and

847
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Speaker 20: the way we present our products. And we're getting some

848
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 20: amazing traction in our beauty range. And you know, we've

849
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Speaker 20: seen there's a lot of green shoots around the business.

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Speaker 20: But we would be lovely if the economy also played ball,

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Speaker 20: and we really hopeful that the ocr cuts that hopefully

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Speaker 20: come up will help us on our journey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, best of luck with that, Mark, Thanks so much,

854
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Speaker 3: Mark Sturs and Chief executive of the Warehouse Group. Right,

855
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Speaker 3: we'll deal with Jane Goodll. NeXT's quarter past. Listen. As

856
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Speaker 3: I told you earlier this week, I've got to give

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Speaker 3: the Beyd Sharks six back to the boys at Beyd soon,

858
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to enjoy every last minute of it

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Speaker 3: a BWAD, you'll get yourself a five hundred dollars charge

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Speaker 3: net credit. And if you want to know which of

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Speaker 3: the BYD vehicles you should be looking at, it's obviously

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Speaker 3: the ute because the Shark six ut is perfect all

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Speaker 3: the ute. So check it out for yourself at bad

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Speaker 3: Auto dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cy Allen, Heather.

876
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Speaker 3: Definitely, mismanagement has put the Warehouse group in the position

877
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Speaker 3: that it is, But there is some faith in Mark

878
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Speaker 3: Hither when I shop at the Warehouse, it never fails

879
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Speaker 3: to disappoint me. Heather, I bought the same T shirt

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Speaker 3: off Sheen, Sheen Shine whatever, who knows?

881
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Speaker 22: Don't know.

882
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Speaker 3: The Germans trying to tell me it's Sheen, but I

883
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Speaker 3: don't know. Is it Sheen? We don't know? Could be Shine? Anyway,

884
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Speaker 3: bought it for fifteen dollars. It was thirty nine dollars

885
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Speaker 3: at the warehouse, at least of the warehouse. You know

886
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: how to pronounce it, It's pretty simple. Nineteen past five. Now,

887
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Speaker 3: primate expert and environmentalist Jane Goodle has died at the

888
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Speaker 3: age of ninety one. She was a pioneer and primate

889
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Speaker 3: research sciences who redefined how we understand chimpanzees. Karen Fifield

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Speaker 3: is the CEO of Wellington Zoo and with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 11: Karen Gora, Heather, how are you very well?

892
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Speaker 3: Thank you? Do you think I ca that her research

893
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Speaker 3: has been instrumental in changing the way that we understand

894
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Speaker 3: the chimps.

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Speaker 23: I think her research was definitely part of changing the

896
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Speaker 23: way we see chimps and all animals really around sentience

897
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Speaker 23: and around what animals think and feel and how we

898
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Speaker 23: can actually make their lives better and be part of

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Speaker 23: that journey towards better science.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever see her speaking?

901
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Speaker 23: Yes, I've known Jane since nineteen ninety eight and a

902
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Speaker 23: few times she's been to Wellington Zoo as well, and

903
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Speaker 23: so I had the honor and privilege of actually interviewing

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Speaker 23: her last year and when she was in Wellington, Wow,

905
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Speaker 23: at the Opera House, and it was actually one of

906
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Speaker 23: the honors of my life, I must say, to share

907
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Speaker 23: the stage with someone as wonderful as Jane and we

908
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Speaker 23: had a lovely chat to a packed audio in Wellington

909
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Speaker 23: and you could just see people just honoring this amazing

910
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Speaker 23: woman who had done so much for people, animals and

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Speaker 23: the planet.

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Speaker 3: So totally different fields, but someone has compared her work

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Speaker 3: to Einstein's in terms of how importance it is important

914
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Speaker 3: to this What do you think.

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Speaker 23: Well, I mean, it was groundbreaking and she was a

916
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Speaker 23: true trailblazer and she was brave and bold and did

917
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Speaker 23: things that people said she could never do and she

918
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Speaker 23: went and did it. And she you know, she's the

919
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Speaker 23: first to say she said, I just did it. And

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Speaker 23: she was just incredibly brave out in the wilds of

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Speaker 23: Africa with her mother doing this work with chimpanzees, and

922
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Speaker 23: obviously Lewis Leakey having that trust in her to send

923
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Speaker 23: her out to do this work was incredible as well.

924
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Speaker 23: But it was groundbreaking. The fact that we understood was

925
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Speaker 23: she understood first of all that chimpanzees used tools, did

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Speaker 23: many things that humans do, and we know that chimpanzees

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Speaker 23: grieve and have expressions of love and all of those

928
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Speaker 23: things that we have as well, and that really came

929
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Speaker 23: from Jane opening our eyes to what was happening with

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Speaker 23: chimpanzees in the wild.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's really good to talk to you, Karen. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for your time. That's Karen Fifield, Wellington

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Speaker 3: Zoo CEO. Heather. I have told you before it's Sheen

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Speaker 3: because it is a contraction of she indoors. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for once and for all we have settled it. Five

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Speaker 3: twenty one. Oh listen, we're going to have to talk

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Speaker 3: about electricity next again.

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Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

939
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Speaker 2: it's Heather Duper Clan drive with one New Zealand coverage

940
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Speaker 2: like no one else us talk there'd be.

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Speaker 3: Five twenty four. Now you know what, I'm just going

942
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Speaker 3: to throw caution to the wind and I'm going to

943
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Speaker 3: tell you why the answer to our electricity problems, at

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Speaker 3: least price wise and at least in the short term,

945
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Speaker 3: is to take electricity out of the ets. Now, as

946
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Speaker 3: I said yesterday, this is going to flip out the

947
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Speaker 3: people who are worried about the climate. So I don't

948
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Speaker 3: know if voters are ready for something bold, and certainly

949
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Speaker 3: the National Party is not ready for something that's bold,

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Speaker 3: which is why they're not doing it. But it would

951
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Speaker 3: actually drop the price of your electricity bill pretty much overnight.

952
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Speaker 3: Because all the ETS is the emissions trading scheme, all

953
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Speaker 3: that is for your power bill is a tax, right,

954
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Speaker 3: It is a punishment tax for doing something that hurts

955
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Speaker 3: the climate, which is burning gas or coal. If we

956
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Speaker 3: took electricity out of the ETS, it would drop the

957
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Speaker 3: wholesale price of electricity by thirty to forty five percent

958
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Speaker 3: according to some estimates. Now that is massive when you

959
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Speaker 3: consider that all the things that Simon Watts announced yesterday

960
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Speaker 3: would only drop the wholesale price by two percent. Take

961
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Speaker 3: it out of the ETS, it's thirty to forty five percent. Now,

962
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Speaker 3: this is not some weird idea that I've dreamed up.

963
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Speaker 3: This was recommended to Simon Watts as one of the

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Speaker 3: ten things that he should do to fix the electricity system,

965
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Speaker 3: and the researchers who recommended it said it would save

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Speaker 3: one point five billion dollars in what we're paying in

967
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Speaker 3: our electricity bills every single year. That's how much paying

968
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Speaker 3: in this punishment tax. Now, Simon Watts doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: have to do it, because I'm told by people who

970
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Speaker 3: have met with him he's also, of course the Climate Minister,

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Speaker 3: Energy Minister and the Climate Minister, and it would make

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Speaker 3: him look bad as the climate minister. Obviously. It would

973
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Speaker 3: also make the Gnats look bad to people who are

974
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Speaker 3: worried about the climate, and they don't want that. But

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that they've got their political calculation right here,

976
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Speaker 3: because if it is true that one in three Kiwi

977
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Speaker 3: households are struggling to pay their electricity bills and that

978
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Speaker 3: the cost of living is the most important thing to voters,

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Speaker 3: then I think this might actually be something that is

980
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: politically smart, right, doing something that immediately reduces power bills.

981
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Speaker 3: If the Gnats don't want to do it, then maybe

982
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: another party like New Zealand First should consider running on

983
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: the idea at the next election, because it will make

984
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Speaker 3: power cheaper immediately.

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Speaker 1: Ever, due for cellen Now, do you.

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Speaker 3: Remember the other day there was this brew ha ha

987
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Speaker 3: about the fact that the Prime Minister Chris Luckson had

988
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Speaker 3: sent a letter to Chris Hopkins asking for bipartisanship on something.

989
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the subject was. But anyway, it

990
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Speaker 3: was about bipartisanship and he sent it to Happens at

991
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Speaker 3: full thirty and then it popped up in the media

992
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Speaker 3: half an hour later. His office, the Prime Minister's office,

993
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Speaker 3: has now admitted it did, in fact leak the letter

994
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Speaker 3: to the Herald. They said they sent it to one

995
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Speaker 3: media company and then subsequently to all others who asked

996
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Speaker 3: for it. And they've said this to Stuff because Stuff

997
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: has got their neckers in ant about the Herald getting

998
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Speaker 3: it first. Anyway, there is more to this. It now

999
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: turns out that Meagan Woods, whose Labour's energy spokesperson, also

1000
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: sent a letter back in August on the twentieth to

1001
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Speaker 3: Simon Watts asking if the government would work with Labor

1002
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Speaker 3: in a bipartisanship matter matter manner, and that letter also

1003
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Speaker 3: made its way into the hands of the media. It

1004
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: was an Energy News a week later with the headline

1005
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: Labor will work with government on gas plan. So the

1006
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Speaker 3: lesson from this is that what is going on is

1007
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Speaker 3: this is the new thing to do, which is to

1008
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: write letters to each other and immediately leak it. Write

1009
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: letters saying hey, we want to be nice to you,

1010
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: leak it immediately and then you don't actually have to

1011
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: be nice, you just look like you're trying to be nice.

1012
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: So let's all see through that, because we could see

1013
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: the game being played here anyway, Mega Fight today, next,

1014
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: and what's going on with the Maori party?

1015
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1016
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

1017
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Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

1018
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: mobile news talks Bore taking me.

1019
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1020
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Speaker 3: We have the huddle standing by Jordan Williams and Allie Jones.

1021
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: I suspected I'm going to ask Jordan about this. I

1022
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Speaker 3: suspect he's got he's got some strong feelings about what

1023
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown has done today, which is sworn at the

1024
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Speaker 3: Auckland Ratepayers Alliance. So the rat Payers Alliance is tied

1025
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: him with the Taxpayers Union, which Jordan's involved with. What

1026
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: they did was, this is the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance. They

1027
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 3: wrote to the mayor Brown and asked him to pledge

1028
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Speaker 3: to keeping rates to just the level of inflation. And

1029
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: he replied with a two word answer, if off. But

1030
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Speaker 3: he obviously he didn't censor himself. He's on leave today.

1031
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: His spokesperson's been asked to explain what's been going on.

1032
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: The spokesperson says the mayor wished to be unambiguous as

1033
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Speaker 3: he was anyway the huddle on that shortly twenty four

1034
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Speaker 3: away from six now there seems to be quite a

1035
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Speaker 3: spat within the Maori Party. The leader of the Treaty Bill,

1036
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Speaker 3: protest Eru Kapakini, has cut ties with the Marti Party.

1037
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Speaker 3: He's also the son of one of the Maori Party's

1038
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Speaker 3: MP's who was recently stripped of her role as whip.

1039
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Speaker 3: Former Labour MP Mecha fights that he ran for the

1040
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: Maori Party last election. Himeker, do you order hear that?

1041
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: Do you think that if we look at this, we

1042
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: look at the fact that his mum was stripped of

1043
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: the party's chief whip role, the fact that you've had

1044
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: Takuza Ferris, you know, doubling down, tripling down on his position,

1045
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: refusing to remove videos. Does it look to you like

1046
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: there's something going on here?

1047
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Speaker 24: Well, there's something something in the water down there, that's

1048
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Speaker 24: for sure. Hither, I don't know quite because obviously, as

1049
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Speaker 24: you know, I've been away from the party for every

1050
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 24: year now and since these dynamic MPs have entered Parliament.

1051
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 24: It's really been an area I haven't had much to

1052
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 24: do with him basically, but supporting from Afar.

1053
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think is the worst case scenario here?

1054
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Speaker 24: So there's a lot of dynamics at play, as you

1055
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Speaker 24: would know, heither. I mean, you've just since said it yourself.

1056
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Speaker 24: There's some family ties there. There's also the dynamics of

1057
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Speaker 24: any political party as they're gearing up for next year's

1058
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 24: general election. You've got relationships, you've got copappa, you've got

1059
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 24: new movements. So you know, without either you or I've

1060
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Speaker 24: been in the thick of things, you know, we can

1061
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 24: just purely speculate. It's unfortunate because I have such a

1062
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Speaker 24: lot of respect for Edu what he's done. I have

1063
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Speaker 24: a huge respect for his mother, and I have a

1064
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Speaker 24: huge respect to those colleagues in the Marti Party. It's

1065
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Speaker 24: not an easy time.

1066
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Speaker 3: One of Edu's complaints is that the decision seemed to

1067
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Speaker 3: come from John Palmerhera, the co leaders, and Rahwiti Whinne

1068
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Speaker 3: is his wife, who's obviously John Palmerhera's daughter. That's pretty

1069
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Speaker 3: much how a party runs though, from the top down.

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Speaker 24: Doesn't it. Oh, look, everyone has it's like my own campaign,

1071
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 24: whole whole family involved in it, because who else is

1072
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 24: going to back you up but your own. So it

1073
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Speaker 24: doesn't surprise me with the names that you have mentioned,

1074
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Speaker 24: because they were all there when I crossed the floor

1075
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Speaker 24: and they were very welcoming to me. And I've got

1076
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Speaker 24: no complaints on either the.

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Speaker 3: Ones, but they are also the ones running the show

1078
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: right in any party that is any good at the

1079
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: way that we run politics is generally run from the center.

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Speaker 24: It happened in labor with your president, with your with

1081
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 24: your party leaders. You're in a circle. You're sort of

1082
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 24: capting it or your kitchen table lot. So you learn

1083
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 24: it very fast. As a as an MP of an electorate,

1084
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Speaker 24: particularly a Mardi electriate, or you need it or you

1085
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Speaker 24: must do is represent those that put their faith in

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Speaker 24: you to go to Parliament and do better for them.

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Speaker 24: And I know that each of those Marty MPs with

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Speaker 24: Spartan Mory do that on the daily.

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Speaker 7: Very much.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate having a chat to you about the this

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Speaker 3: mega fight today. Former Labour MP and also former Maori

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Speaker 3: Party candidate Chris Hopkins has been asked about this.

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Speaker 12: Before the next election, we'll set out which parties we

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Speaker 12: can and can't work with them. We'll do that closer

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Speaker 12: to the election. I think to Party Marty have got

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Speaker 12: some internal issues of their own to work through before

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Speaker 12: we could have that conversation with them. They look like

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Speaker 12: they're quite a long way away from being ready to

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Speaker 12: play a constructive role in any future government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quite twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty's the global

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Speaker 2: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening we have Jordan

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Speaker 3: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Allie Jones have read

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Speaker 3: pr Hello you two, Hi Jenna. All right, what's going

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Speaker 3: on here? Jordan? You know politics? They're having a big

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Speaker 3: old fight, are they.

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Speaker 18: It's someone in a party today said it's sound of

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Speaker 18: refreshing when you see your opponents going through it. Because,

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Speaker 18: of course it's the main reason, one of the reasons

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00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 18: I don't wing into party politics. And I love the

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Speaker 18: think tank called Pressure at World because you can actually

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Speaker 18: get rid of toxic people. The problem is in politics

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 18: and public affairs is it inherently attracts people that are

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Speaker 18: on a spectrum. And I put myself in that too,

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Speaker 18: But means you can get some difficult personalities, and it's

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 18: why a lot of political causes often blow up. I mean,

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 18: this is I mean, to fall out with your main.

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 14: Sort of pressure group.

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Speaker 18: Though it was a bit like Labor falling out with

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Speaker 18: the unions or the National Party falling out with the

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Speaker 18: Taxpayers Union. You're sort of going to have a Maori

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Speaker 18: party without its Copappa or even worse. I see that

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Speaker 18: this talk of setting up another party in competition, So

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Speaker 18: we're going to have two party Maori and Maori to party.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't think Alie that he should

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Speaker 3: be left to naming these parties. That was really that

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Speaker 3: was crap, wasn't it.

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Speaker 11: It was when I was listening to you talking to

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Speaker 11: who knows who, and who's married to who and who's

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00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 11: related to it reminded me of that TV show Soap

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Speaker 11: years ago, and I think you should have played the

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Speaker 11: theme of that underneath as you were talking about them.

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Speaker 11: It is really confusing, sounds incredibly incestuous. But I think

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Speaker 11: one of the biggest issues here, and I'm not a

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Speaker 11: political expert obviously, is that the problem this leaves Labor.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the Greens are just a mess. They've lost

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Speaker 11: a third of their caucus this year, and we've still

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Speaker 11: got you know, a year left of this sorry, a

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Speaker 11: third of their caucus in this term, and we've still

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Speaker 11: got a year of that term left. And now we've

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Speaker 11: got the Party Marty as well, and there could be

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Speaker 11: another Maori Party split in that vote. I mean, I

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Speaker 11: don't know what the hell labour things that's going to do.

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Speaker 14: Labor a cooka hooge.

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Speaker 18: That was what the friend of mine I was speaking

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Speaker 18: to about this, that labor went from us, because if

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Speaker 18: you split the vote and the more it's this here

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Speaker 18: is more than you know, it's just it's all mess

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Speaker 18: and normally that has a political cost. But if you've

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Speaker 18: got your voters aren't particularly engaged, I don't think that

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Speaker 18: it is the public perception of it being messy. I

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Speaker 18: think that the real issue here is that the Party

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Speaker 18: Marty have had such a good ground game and being

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Speaker 18: well organized that if that has blown up, or that

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Speaker 18: organizational wing has blown up, that means that that the

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Speaker 18: sort of comparative advantage to labor is now gone.

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Speaker 3: I how, how why are they excited about this? Jordren,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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Speaker 18: I don't know labor benefit and labor want the Mary

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Speaker 18: seats back and this is just the chances of that

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Speaker 18: have just increased.

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Speaker 3: Do you really think so?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 18: I mean that we just we just saw that play

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Speaker 18: out in the in the by election were Labour got

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Speaker 18: absolutely sip smashed.

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Speaker 3: I said, what what? But okay, so so the how

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Speaker 3: does this increase? Because because you'd have to assume that

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Speaker 3: your voter actually cares necessarily about.

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Speaker 18: I'm saying it's probably not the case, but that if

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Speaker 18: it has, you know, this is the sort of organizational

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Speaker 18: wing of two party Maori that is splitting apart, then

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Speaker 18: then I mean I.

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Speaker 3: Take your point, Jordan, because because Edu Kapa Kingi is

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Speaker 3: a really he's an activist for them, right, he is

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Speaker 3: able to get a lot of people out on the

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Speaker 3: ground as you saw with that he couis so so

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Speaker 3: the loss of him I think is quite right.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now Allie, tell me what you think about the

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Speaker 3: Gaza flow teller should be helping these kids to get back.

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Speaker 3: Just leave it all?

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Speaker 11: Oh god, you know no, well look, you know this

1185
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 11: is head and heart stuff. I might my head goes. Look,

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Speaker 11: I'm sorry, you make your bed, you lie in it,

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Speaker 11: and I think that the team's dad with whom you

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00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 11: spoke would put it perfectly. The boy knew what.

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Speaker 14: He was doing.

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Speaker 11: You cannot tell them, my boys twenty two. I know

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Speaker 11: that this does not appear to be like other examples

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Speaker 11: recently where people were shot by armed forces coming onto ships.

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Speaker 11: So my head tells me, you know, life is about

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Speaker 11: making decisions. There are consequences for that. You knew what

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Speaker 11: you were doing. But then my heart goes, we need

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Speaker 11: to look after people whoever they are Kiwi's wherever they are,

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Speaker 11: and if we can. I mean, this is not a

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Speaker 11: grown man, this is a team. He doesn't have years

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Speaker 11: of experience. We all know that men especially don't really

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Speaker 11: get their brains working until they're well into their thirties,

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Speaker 11: right Jordan, So I mean, what do we do and situation?

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Speaker 11: I mean, should we actually show some compassion or do

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Speaker 11: we go, hey, you made your bed mate line?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jordan, know what your response, but let's get it

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Speaker 3: after the break. Hang on sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 2: one of the kind.

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Speaker 3: Right, You're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams Allie Jones, Go, Jordan,

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Speaker 3: what do you think, Oh.

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Speaker 18: I'm just delighted that Ali suggested that I'm still in

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Speaker 18: in my twenties.

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Speaker 14: I've now forgotten what the question Berney.

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Speaker 3: Should we be assisting the kids who've been caught up

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Speaker 3: in the regards the.

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Speaker 18: Thing that annoys me as people go and do brave

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Speaker 18: things like I believe in this course so much, and

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 18: when going to do something stupid or illegal. But we

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00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 18: now live in a world where you try to get

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Speaker 18: off because I know I already believe in the cause,

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Speaker 18: I shouldn't get in trouble.

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Speaker 5: Well, the whole virtue.

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Speaker 14: Was taking the risk and getting in trouble. You can't

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Speaker 14: have it both ways.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now what about Wayne Brown? How do you feel

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Speaker 3: about this, Jordan?

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Speaker 18: Well, he's He's told the tens of thousands of Ratepayers

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Speaker 18: Alliance members that have emailed them saying, hey, sign the

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Speaker 18: pledge like mears across the country are doing to that

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Speaker 18: You're only going to put rates up by inflation, You're

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Speaker 18: going to commit to spending, transparency, et cetera. And he

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Speaker 18: told one of the nicest guys I've ever met, my

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Speaker 18: local government campaigns manager Sam Warren, to f off, I

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Speaker 18: think it says more about mister Brown than it does

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Speaker 18: about Sam or the Auckland ratepayers supporters. He should just

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Speaker 18: do the you know, rather than just talk the talk,

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Speaker 18: walk the walk, and do what all the other candidates

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Speaker 18: have done and signed the Ratepayer of Protection Pledge.

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Speaker 3: Wish to be so, wish to be unambiguous. Ali, And

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Speaker 3: from a PR perspective, I think you might have made

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Speaker 3: that point.

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Speaker 11: I think it was a route was a really dumb

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Speaker 11: thing to do. And I said, okay, So from a

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Speaker 11: PR point, yeah, absolutely dumb. From a candidate's point, pretty

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Speaker 11: dumb as well. And I have to say I'm running

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Speaker 11: obviously and I haven't signed that pledge. And the reason

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Speaker 11: I haven't.

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Speaker 14: Signed are running for council or local board.

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Speaker 11: No, I'm running for council, so.

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Speaker 7: Because one of the goodies.

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Speaker 11: I am a goody. And but the point that there

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Speaker 11: are two things here. Firstly, it is I've made it

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Speaker 11: very clear that I would like around the council. Well

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Speaker 11: keep no, I want a rates cap, right, and that's what.

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Speaker 14: Campaign you can sign that one. That's one.

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Speaker 11: Children. No, I'm not going through the bits and pieces

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Speaker 11: on that. The point was, I thought, you don't want.

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Speaker 14: To think that rate players should know where the money's gone.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely I do. I'm saying, no, we're not signing anybody. No,

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Speaker 11: there were other things on there I didn't want to sign.

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Speaker 11: But the point.

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Speaker 18: Candidates that have signed the pledge we'll.

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Speaker 11: Put on there you can have up for a minute,

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Speaker 11: just just shoot. So there are a number of pledges

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Speaker 11: initially or surveys that I did and signed, and all

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Speaker 11: they did was put them through some ai AI machine

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Speaker 11: and gave me s on things. So I believed that,

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Speaker 11: oh yeah, right now, I know you might not, but

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to do it. People know what I'm campaigning.

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Speaker 14: You're one of the good ones. You should be. So

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Speaker 14: I'm really disappointed to hear that because I didn't.

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Speaker 11: I didn't want to sign the other things there were.

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Speaker 11: There were two or three other points on there that

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Speaker 11: I thought with mist of us.

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Speaker 18: The thing is, this is the trouble is you have

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Speaker 18: you have people like Wayne Brown that that say one

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Speaker 18: thing but do another. He's you know that in his

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Speaker 18: long term plan, we're having a record high rates increase

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Speaker 18: under the super City next year. Is that it's really

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Speaker 18: hard for rate payers to figure it out when you

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Speaker 18: got politicants saying one thing but talk the whole purpose

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Speaker 18: of the pledge, and I know yep, the various left

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Speaker 18: wing groups do that do something similar.

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Speaker 14: It's actually just information for voters. Yeah, when you.

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Speaker 11: Walk the talk, Jordan, when you're elected, and people know

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Speaker 11: what I'm campaigning on and what others are and so

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Speaker 11: they make the decision at the votion booth or rather

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Speaker 11: by posting their their balance away.

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Speaker 5: Look, the test.

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Speaker 18: Of whether you walk as you're you know, it's it's

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Speaker 18: pretty simple. The rates cap so the caving rates in inflation,

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Speaker 18: the transparent transparency, and no un appointed or unelected decision

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Speaker 18: makers on spending regitary matters, you know, to council council committees.

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Speaker 14: That's not a big ask.

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Speaker 11: It's a third one. I wasn't that third one. I

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Speaker 11: wasn't one hundred percent happy with them.

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Speaker 14: All three. And there's a lot of you know, the

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Speaker 14: Labor Party candidates.

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Speaker 11: Are you on a caut are you on a percentage

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Speaker 11: or something? Look, I'll get my people to believe in

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Speaker 11: the cause.

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Speaker 3: Confess confess your role with the A R A.

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Speaker 14: It's it's it's just the group of the text bas

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Speaker 14: union around it.

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Speaker 18: I believe in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, guys, listen, thank you. That was fascinating, so disappointed,

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Speaker 3: Ali fascinating, You're.

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Speaker 14: So good even someone to break breaking my heart.

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Speaker 11: It's like, listen, oh you're a greasy devil lord, Okay,

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Speaker 11: buy the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's like having a couple at

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Speaker 3: the next table having an argument and you can't you

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Speaker 3: don't really care, but can't help, but listen. Jordan Williams

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Speaker 3: Allie Jones eight Away from six.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather duper Se Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather Aucklanders will love Wayne Brown's reaction, Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well what they will be is they won't be surprised

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Speaker 3: by Wayne Brown's reaction because if you've if you've met

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Speaker 3: Wayne Brown, that's exactly how he talks. And enough of

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Speaker 3: us have met him by now, I think even if

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Speaker 3: even if she's buy a video, that's exactly how we

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Speaker 3: expect him to respond to things. Listen, Sam Dicki's gonna

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Speaker 3: be with us after six o'clock. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: the Allisons. Because I don't know if you've been keeping

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Speaker 3: up on this, but there is a consortium of American

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Speaker 3: buyers who who are banding together to try to buy

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Speaker 3: TikTok from Byte Dance because that's what Trumpy wants to happen,

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Speaker 3: and the Allisons are part of that, and this as

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Speaker 3: in like Larry Allison of Oracle, and they've also recently

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Speaker 3: bought Paramount and apparently they're in a bidding wall for

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers Discovery, so they're becoming something of like another

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Speaker 3: succession family. So Sam Dicky will run us through all

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Speaker 3: of the fascinating detail that we have to know about

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Speaker 3: them very shortly. It's five away from six now. Interested

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Speaker 3: that we were just talking about the local board in

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Speaker 3: christ Church. Because I did my I am not going

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Speaker 3: to come out of this story looking good at all.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just saying that this show is not about

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Speaker 3: me making making me look good. It's just about understanding

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Speaker 3: the human condition. And I'm a human, Okay, So that's

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Speaker 3: my disclaimer for myself. So I got my voting papers. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm in the White Matar local Board Central Auckland, right,

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Speaker 3: So I did all my voting and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Holy heck. I mean I think this every single year

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Speaker 3: when I go to vote, you are asked to vote

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Speaker 3: for a bunch of people who you know nothing about,

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Speaker 3: and when you're as pressed for time as most of

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Speaker 3: us are, you look at it and you go, oh lord,

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Speaker 3: what I don't know? Who's Michael Coat?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Ho is Ted Johnston I vote for?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And it's hard enough when you're dealing with the mayors.

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Speaker 3: Then you have to vote for the local board. And

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Speaker 3: that's really a collection of no hopers, isn't it. That's

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Speaker 3: a collection I mean, is that unfair? That's a no,

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Speaker 3: that is unfair that I immediately regret saying that. I am sorry.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean that at all. It's a collection of

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Speaker 3: who the hell are these people? That's what it's a

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Speaker 3: collection of. Anyway. So I was flicking through it and

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't Grant Crawford, who are you?

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Speaker 3: Jane Hamilton? Never heard of you? Josie Rayner, No, I

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Speaker 3: never heard of you going through going that? Oh hello,

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Speaker 3: Mark Walter krysl wis to work with him. He's from

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Speaker 3: TV and seid he was on Fair Go. So I

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Speaker 3: read about it. I thought, no, I hate what you

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Speaker 3: stand for. I reckon local government should be less about

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Speaker 3: shouting and more about listening with empathy, softy. So I

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Speaker 3: ticked him.

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Speaker 7: I voted for him.

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Speaker 3: I hated everything about it. I was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: vote for yours. I know you're a nice man, Peter

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Speaker 3: Dennis Elliott. You he's remember the actor Peter Elliott. He'son there.

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Speaker 3: He's running for the local board as well. How much

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Speaker 3: did you say they get for this if they get elected?

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Speaker 3: H Germans says fifty three thousand. That's not a bad stipend.

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Speaker 3: I suppose Peter Dennis Elliott is standing for clean local waterways,

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Speaker 3: use of motorcycles and two wheeled transport. You know what

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Speaker 3: that means. It's bicycles, isn't that will reduce carbon and congestion.

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Speaker 3: I hated it. City Vision, that's labour plus the Greens. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I hate it so addictive as well amongst others. So

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Speaker 3: why why did I vote for two people who I

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Speaker 3: was like, don't know, I want you to shout Mark

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Speaker 3: and no, Peter, I don't want any more bicycle lanes?

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Speaker 3: Why did I vote for them? Name recognition? That is

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Speaker 3: literally why? Because I was like, do you know what?

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Speaker 3: At least I know you're a good bloke and you're

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Speaker 3: a bloke from TV, so I'm gonna vote for you

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Speaker 3: guys because I don't know who the hell the rest

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Speaker 3: of the people I voted for some other people. I

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Speaker 3: kind of took a bit of a minute. But there's

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Speaker 3: your problem with local government when you don't know who

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Speaker 3: you're voting for and you ain't got the time, you

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Speaker 3: just pick names that you know. Anyway, don't let me down, Mark,

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Speaker 3: don't let me down. You better be good at your

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Speaker 3: job otherwise I know where to find you. Anyway. Sam

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Speaker 3: Dickey on the Allison's.

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Speaker 21: Next keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duples, Allen and Mas for

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Speaker 2: insurance investments and Huey Saber.

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Speaker 1: You're in good hands news.

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Speaker 3: Talks'd be but even coming up in the next hour,

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Speaker 3: the ab squad has been announced for this weekend, so

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Speaker 3: Elliot Smith is going to talk us through it. After

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Speaker 3: half past j Hamish McKay is still obsessed with sharing.

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Speaker 3: He now thinks it should be in the Olympics. He's

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Speaker 3: going to talk us through that kooky idea and in

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Speaker 3: de Brady out of the UK for us, it's seven

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Speaker 3: past six. Now we might be seeing the emergence of

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Speaker 3: a new Murdoch type media mogul family. The names you

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Speaker 3: need to know are Larry Allison of Oracle fame and

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Speaker 3: his son David. They're orchestrating a huge media consolidation controlling

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Speaker 3: everything from paramount c in CNN now TikTok Sam Dickey

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Speaker 3: from Fisher Funds is with us on this, say, Sam.

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Speaker 1: Good eating here.

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Speaker 3: So what are they up to?

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Speaker 25: Well, Larry certainly isn't slowing the out of day eighty one,

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Speaker 25: so him and a son, David are attempting to bring

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Speaker 25: a bring together three things, so massive AI compute power

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Speaker 25: via Larrye's Larry's Oracle, cloud content via the that as

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Speaker 25: you said, David Skydounce paramount and potential social distribution via

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Speaker 25: owning the USR of TikTok So first on the cloud

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Speaker 25: compute side, which will be key in modern media to

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Speaker 25: enable AI driven content creation and train recommendation engines. Oracle

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Speaker 25: has kind of always been that the poor fourth cousin

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Speaker 25: behind Amazon, Microsoft and Google, but he didn't eye popping

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Speaker 25: deal recently with open Ai. You might have seen it,

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Speaker 25: which saw Oracle stock price shoot up about thirty percent

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Speaker 25: in one day, so that the guts of the deal

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Speaker 25: was AI signed a contract to pay Oracle three hundred

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Speaker 25: billion dollars over five years to train and inference its

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Speaker 25: Ai models, And as an aside here that let's not

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Speaker 25: forget open Ai only has fifteen billion dollars in revenue

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Speaker 25: in total today and again it's signed up to pay

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Speaker 25: just one of its suppliers, Oracle, three hundred billion dollars.

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Speaker 25: But let's ignore how frothy that is for a minute.

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Speaker 25: And second, on the content side, they control Paramount sky

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Speaker 25: Dance and a rumored to be making a bid for

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Speaker 25: Warner Brothers, so if all that comes together, they will

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Speaker 25: control HBO, Paramount, CBSC and n Showtime, and two of

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Speaker 25: the five classic old school movie studios. And finally, on

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Speaker 25: the New World distribution side, Oracle is leading a consort,

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Speaker 25: he consortium to buy eighty percent of TikTok's US operations

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Speaker 25: for what is pretty much a sweetheart deal of fourteen

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Speaker 25: billion dollars, so one heck of a footprint.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you think they can pull this off?

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Speaker 25: They are in the box seat, so there's a few

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 25: pretty obvious things there. So it doesn't hurt that Larry

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Speaker 25: flirted with being the richest man on the planet briefly

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Speaker 25: a couple of weeks ago after that blowout deal with

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Speaker 25: open Ai was announced, and he is exceptionally tight with

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Speaker 25: President Trump. So he's headlining the project Stargate that you

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Speaker 25: and I talked about earlier in the year Heather, which

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Speaker 25: is a half a trillion dollar public private USAI infrastructure project.

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Speaker 25: So and then of course he has a majority ownership

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Speaker 25: in Oracle and in Paramount Skydarance pluses clout and connections

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Speaker 25: placement as the front runner to own TikTok. So I

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Speaker 25: think they're in good shape.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now is this what we want though? I mean,

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Speaker 3: do we want to see this kind of media consolidation?

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Speaker 3: What does it mean for investors?

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Speaker 13: Well, I think.

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Speaker 25: Ethically and from a democracy point of view, there's obviously

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Speaker 25: a lot of questions from a market point of view.

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Speaker 25: Like you said that, this very broad media consolidation play

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Speaker 25: is probably the most far reaching in a long time.

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Speaker 25: And the only deal in the last thirty years that

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Speaker 25: was this ambitious was the infamous Aol Time Warner deal

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Speaker 25: in the year two thousand, just before the dot com bust. So,

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Speaker 25: like this one, it was an attempt to remember that

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Speaker 25: word convergence we used to talk about back in the day,

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Speaker 25: It was an attempt to merge a new age distribution

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Speaker 25: via America Online AOL being a dominant Internet service provider

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Speaker 25: ISP is a blast from the past here at the

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Speaker 25: time with content.

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Speaker 1: But that one hundred and eighty billion dollars.

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Speaker 25: Deal failed spectacularly and destroyed a ton of capital. So

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Speaker 25: the current deal is as ambitious and far reaching and

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Speaker 25: has some of those frothy signs of that one in

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Speaker 25: two thousand, like the Oracle open aideal today. However, if

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Speaker 25: it does go ahead and as successful, if linear TV

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,440
Speaker 25: wasn't dead already, it probably will be. So this behemoth

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Speaker 25: would control roughly half the cable TV market in the US,

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Speaker 25: and even streaming platforms like Disney Plus and Netflix might

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Speaker 25: come under pressure if you and I start to watch

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Speaker 25: all of our favorite friends episodes and movies and CNN

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Speaker 25: news directly on our TikTok apps.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that.

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Speaker 25: But it might even pressure behemoths like Meta. Is uncertainty

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Speaker 25: over the future of TikTok, and the US had definitely

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Speaker 25: temporarily shifted advertiser spend to Meta. So it really is

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Speaker 25: fascinating stuff. So we need to watch this space.

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Speaker 3: That really is quite interesting. Sam, Thanks so much. Sam

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Speaker 3: Dickey of Fisher Funds. Coming up twelve away from six. Ever,

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Speaker 3: see Ellen's well past six hither. I was listening to

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Speaker 3: my mother talking about voting, and she says, oh, no,

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Speaker 3: I can't vote for him. He's got long hair. I'm

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Speaker 3: not voting for someone who can't be bothered cutting his hair.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, I think, because of course you're

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Speaker 3: making You're just making character judgments, are you, And if

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Speaker 3: that's how you choose to make a character, she might

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Speaker 3: well be onto something. Listen, good news. The internet is

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Speaker 3: back on in afghanis done. It looks like they've regretted

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Speaker 3: cutting the cables because apparently the Tullibum Prime minister ordered

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Speaker 3: it back on. It's only took him two days to

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Speaker 3: feel bad about what he did. Probably less feeling bad,

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Speaker 3: more like whoops. We didn't think it was going to

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Speaker 3: stuff things up this badly. It disrupted businesses, it disrupted flights,

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Speaker 3: limited people's access to emergency services because in some cases

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Speaker 3: they couldn't phone each other. What did they do when

1512
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: it came back on? Headed out into the street, rejoiced

1513
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 3: and by the sounds of things, stood there in the middle,

1514
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: just calling their relatives because at last the phone was working.

1515
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: Thirteen past six.

1516
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: It's the Heather duper.

1517
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: See Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart Radio

1518
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 2: empowered by news dog.

1519
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 3: ZEPPI you know what can I take this moment to say?

1520
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 3: I might have got something wrong. I was talking Smack

1521
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,799
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago about Jacinder's documentary Prime Minister,

1522
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: and how nobody was going to watch it. But apparently

1523
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 3: it's done actually quite well. Well as far as local

1524
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: documentaries are concerned. It has recorded the strongest opening week

1525
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: for a local documentary in seven years. Rialta reckons it

1526
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 3: earned four hundred and seventeen thousand dollars in its first week,

1527
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 3: and that includes previews. Now better than I thought. I

1528
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: don't know what other local documentaries have we gone to watch,

1529
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: so you know, maybe it doesn't feel like it's a

1530
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: particularly strong field. But hey, you know, happy to be

1531
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,919
Speaker 3: happy to have been proven wrong. Sixteen past six.

1532
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen dry.

1533
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 3: Haymous mckaye, who's hosting the country for Jamie mackay this week,

1534
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: is with us ala Amish Heather. So why is the

1535
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: price of will going up?

1536
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 22: Well, it's starting to each ford here, but the big

1537
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 22: move is across the chairsman and we're hoping that it

1538
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 22: will come over here, and not only through the youth

1539
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 22: foushing back to the sties to have noted such a

1540
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 22: spike in overall wool prices, and that was driven by

1541
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 22: the Chinese military back in that time, snapping up every

1542
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 22: kilogram or pound of wool as it was back in

1543
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 22: the day to reclose the military. Now that's what's happening again.

1544
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 22: They're doing a big refit of their what four million

1545
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 22: sort of military members, So woolen coats so imagine, you know,

1546
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 22: woolen carpets for the tanks, all those sorts of things. Yeah,

1547
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 22: so there's no sort of haggling or anything going on.

1548
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 22: They're buying up everything. So it would be nice if

1549
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 22: it filters across this side of the Tasman. And the

1550
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 22: last time was that it did, and that was back

1551
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 22: in the fifties. And I know because my dad told

1552
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 22: me that he got set off the board him and

1553
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 22: his father put a catalytic. I'm up in the matter

1554
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 22: with two, so you go, it's happened again.

1555
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: Hopefully.

1556
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm terrifying how much because you're your receptions cutting in

1557
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: and out that we're going to so before we do,

1558
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 3: give me your biggest patch for why sharing should be

1559
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: at the Olympics.

1560
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 4: I'll chee you pitch it.

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 22: I just think it's a great competitive sport.

1562
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 3: And that's actually hilarious. It's a great competitive sport. And cut,

1563
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 3: he's gone, he's got. That's it, Go bye, Hamish. Thanks

1564
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: for trying. Hamish is driving on the desert road around

1565
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 3: Wayoud at the moment, so there's no surprise that we've missed. Okay.

1566
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: The German always equipped, always equipped with the series of

1567
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: facts has given us the other documentaries and how they've performed.

1568
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: Thank you, Laura. Previous high grossing New Zealand documentaries include

1569
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: Sir Peter Jackson's They Shall Not Grow Old, which made

1570
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty thousand dollars after its opening week

1571
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, also Roger Donaldson's McLaren which made three

1572
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars that was after the opening week in

1573
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, and then the highest grossing local documentary of

1574
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: all time is Chasing Great twenty sixteen, from the same

1575
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 3: filmmaking team behind Prime Minister. So I mean, as you

1576
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: can see, it's not a huge I don't want to

1577
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 3: be mean to Peter Jackson because the man's a genius

1578
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: and you know, incredibly wealthy as a result of being

1579
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: a genius, and so he's just completely knocked the ball

1580
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 3: out of the park. But they shall not grow old.

1581
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 3: Is not really got the appeal that Justinda perhaps does,

1582
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 3: and so you can see the field is not crowded,

1583
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. So it's no surprise

1584
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 3: that she's done well, because I would go and rage

1585
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 3: watch it, wouldn't you. I don't think that her doing

1586
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 3: well well the box office is an indication necessarily that

1587
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 3: people will love watching it. I love to get angry

1588
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 3: when I watch things anyway. Perhaps just to put in

1589
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: a bit of context, the highest grossing movies out of

1590
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: New Zealand Hunt for the Wilder People twenty sixteen that

1591
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: made one point seven million, as opposed to her four

1592
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: fifty thousand or whatever it was, four hundred and twenty thousand,

1593
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: Sionez number two, Unfinished Business seven hundred and twenty three million. No,

1594
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 3: what am I talking about? Seven hundred and twenty thirty thousand,

1595
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 3: and Boy twenty ten eight six six thousand. So there

1596
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: you go, Thank you for that. Laura always puts it

1597
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 3: in context. By the way, if you've been watching the

1598
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 3: Indian Free Trader negotiations, you might be pleased to hear this.

1599
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: Apparently we're passed the halfway mark. This is according to

1600
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 3: the Trade Minister Todd McLay. We've gone past fifty percent,

1601
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 3: which is good. But this is where it starts to

1602
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 3: get a little bit more gnarly and a bit more gritty,

1603
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 3: because the tough stuff is always left to last, so

1604
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 3: that still has to be negotiated, including improving market access

1605
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 3: for New Zealand experts and all the kind of stuff

1606
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 3: that they don't want to have to deal with them.

1607
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 3: We don't want to have to deal with They met.

1608
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: This is our negotiators and their trade negotiators in Queenstown

1609
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: last month. They did the third round there of formal

1610
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 3: negotiations and they're going to they've already scheduled the fourth round,

1611
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 3: which is going to happen in the coming weeks and

1612
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 3: it's going to be in India. So best of luck

1613
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 3: six twenty.

1614
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1615
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: The Business hour we're the header due for c Ellen

1616
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 2: and maz for insurance investments and Huey Safer.

1617
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: You're in good heads.

1618
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 3: News talk here the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1619
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: back in twenty seventeen is now worth three hundred and

1620
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: fifty billion dollars in today's money thanks to Justinder. Here

1621
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 3: the I'm not joking, but why isn't there a documentary

1622
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 3: on Winston Peter's Actually, Brenda, it's a fair point. What

1623
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 3: you'll find if you if you look at it, even

1624
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 3: you don't even have to look very closely, you simply

1625
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 3: have to take a passing interest in it. What you'll

1626
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: find is that there are only documentaries made about the Lovies,

1627
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 3: right because the people who pay for the documentaries are

1628
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: themselves lovies, which is why New Zealand tax payer money

1629
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: was going to be used to make a just Inda

1630
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 3: documentary and is being used to make a Chloe Swarbrick documentary.

1631
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: But you're not going to get a David Seymore documentary,

1632
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: are you? And you're not going to get a Chris

1633
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 3: Luxon documentary. That's so obvious to us. And anyway, so

1634
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 3: Winston Peters, the Lovies do not like Winston. They only

1635
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: like Winston when Winston props up one of their lefty governments.

1636
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: But the rest of the time, Winston is just you know,

1637
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 3: a racist and stuff like that. So they're not going

1638
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 3: to pay for a documentary on Winston Peter's what a

1639
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 3: documentary or Winston Peters would be fascinating, wouldn't it because

1640
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 3: you dig out all the archive footage of him sitting

1641
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 3: around honing about with Muldoon, having fights with Bulger, the

1642
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: areas with Shipley and even Clarkey, which was recently Like

1643
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 3: that's long enough ago now, I don't know if you

1644
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 3: realize it for the footage to look old. Have you

1645
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: seen footage from the nineteenth like the late nineteen nineties,

1646
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, it looks You're like, wow, I can't

1647
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: believe we watched crappy TV like that. That's how old

1648
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 3: it is now. So yeah, I reckon a documentary about

1649
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: Winston Peters'll be fascinating. It's six twenty four. By the way,

1650
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: there was a study that came out while I was

1651
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 3: on holiday last week which hardly got I feel like,

1652
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: didn't get enough attention. So I'm going to draw it

1653
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 3: to your attention because the Energy Minister Simon Watts has

1654
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 3: now piped up about it. And this is about the

1655
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 3: gas stoves in your kitchen killing you. Essentially, what these

1656
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: guys have found. It was Eca who did the study

1657
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: released the study. They found that there is two There

1658
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 3: have been two hundred and eight premature deaths every year.

1659
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 3: That's quite significant in this country. Two hundred and eight

1660
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: primit deaths in adults aged over thirty because we're using

1661
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 3: the gas stoves in the kitchens. Are also two hundred

1662
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 3: and thirty six cardiovascular hospitalization, seven hundred and seventy five

1663
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: respiratory hospitalizations, three two hundred and thirty asthma cases and

1664
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 3: that's in people over eighteen, so we're not even counting

1665
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,919
Speaker 3: the kids at the stage. Indoor pollution from wood burners

1666
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: has led to one hundred and one premature deaths a year.

1667
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 3: Don't freak out. I'm gonna you're going to get the

1668
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 3: upside on the cine minute. The annual tolld from the

1669
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: more than forty four thousand unflued gas heaters was modeled

1670
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 3: at fifty seven premature deaths. So you add it all

1671
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: up and you've got like close to four hundred premature

1672
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 3: deaths on account of the things we're doing in our houses.

1673
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 3: Simon Watts has been asked about it today. He says

1674
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 3: the government takes these findings seriously. But New Zealanders do

1675
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: not need to panic if they currently use gas stoves,

1676
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 3: but they should be aware of the potential health risks

1677
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: and simple steps such as ventilation ventilation to reduce them.

1678
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 3: So it appears that if you have a gas stove

1679
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: from time to time, like once a day for ten minutes,

1680
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 3: what's the word for this, Laura, when you ventilate the

1681
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: house in Germany for ten minutes, share Slifton, You open

1682
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 3: the doors and the windows for ten minutes. You let

1683
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: all of that bad stuff just get out there into

1684
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 3: the atmosphere. Sure, Slaur, Swiston, whatever, And then you shut

1685
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: the doors again and you carry on warming up your house.

1686
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 3: You're welcome. You will not die early because of that

1687
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: six twenty six show bears. Beyonce has broken the Grammys.

1688
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: So last year you'll know the controversy about the Grammys

1689
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 3: worth Beyonce right. Last year she released her Cowboy Carter album.

1690
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: It had a lot of country influence, and it covered

1691
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: a lot of subgenres within country, and yet a lot

1692
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: of the country scene shut her out and called her

1693
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 3: album to pop.

1694
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 6: Now.

1695
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 3: She didn't get nominated for a single Country Music award,

1696
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: and when it came to the Grammys, she showed them

1697
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: who was boss. Anyway. The album won Beyonce the first

1698
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 3: ever Album of the Year Grammy, and she also controversially

1699
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 3: won the Best Country Album, becoming the first black woman

1700
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 3: to ever do so. And then she called out the

1701
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 3: rigidity of the genre in her acceptance speech.

1702
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 9: I think sometimes genre is a cold word to keep

1703
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 9: us in our place as artists, and I just want

1704
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 9: to encourage people to do what they're passionate about to right.

1705
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 3: But now what's happened, and this is how she's broken

1706
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 3: the Grammys, is that they've come out with a big

1707
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 3: change that some are dubbing the Beyonce Rule. Next year,

1708
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 3: there will be no Best Country Album. Instead, the category

1709
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: is going to be split in two, Best Contemporary Country

1710
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 3: Album and Best Traditional Country Album. Music journalists are arguing

1711
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 3: that on one hand, the Recording Academy recognizes that genres bleed,

1712
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 3: but then they're also splitting hairs about what makes each

1713
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 3: genre unique, blah blah blah whatever. Beyonce directly referenced the

1714
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 3: criticism in the album with the lyric they used to

1715
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 3: say I spoke to country, and then they said I

1716
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: wasn't country enough. But she forced the change didn't she

1717
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the all blacks next, straight

1718
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 3: after the news, News Talks event.

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 21: A real love again, don't you can't say?

1720
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Speaker 2: It's the phone now crouching the numbers and getting the results.

1721
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Speaker 2: It's hither to the sea Ellen with the business hour

1722
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Speaker 2: and mass for insurance investments and Quie Saber, you're in

1723
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1724
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Speaker 1: News Talks dead be What is the film?

1725
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Speaker 21: Have you?

1726
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Speaker 3: Everybody's a pill?

1727
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Speaker 1: I can tell you anything.

1728
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Speaker 26: Ah, the secrets that you me and changes are the

1729
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Speaker 26: damis am I mane?

1730
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Speaker 3: What a load of rubbish about the gas stoves killing

1731
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Speaker 3: people in their homes who've been on natural gas for

1732
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Speaker 3: seventy years and we're still alive. You must be ventilating

1733
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Speaker 3: your home like somebody who understands how houses work. It's

1734
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Speaker 3: a good idea to ventilate from time to time, regardless

1735
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: of from time to time being every single day according

1736
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Speaker 3: to the Germans. Obviously, listen, just really quickly. Mark Krysl's

1737
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: already hit me on the texts about about what I

1738
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: had to say about vote. But I would like to

1739
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 3: remind him that I did vote for him. So while

1740
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 3: I talked smack about him, I gave him my vote,

1741
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 3: which is the most important thing. But speaking of Mac

1742
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: krysl Mac does a podcast for us here endzed Me

1743
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 3: and it's called The Elephant. And this week on the

1744
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: Elephant they've had a Canadian podcaster and brofluencer, which is

1745
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 3: always an interesting concept. Chap called Richard Cooper. Richard has

1746
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: been on talking about toxic masculinity and alpha males and

1747
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 3: beta males and et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, what he

1748
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 3: said is men and women are not equal. They are

1749
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: very different. There is only one driver's seat in a car,

1750
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: isn't there right, So there has to be somebody leading,

1751
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: and he advocates for the male to lead in the relationship. Now,

1752
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 3: look each to each to their own, each to their

1753
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: own obviously. But I'm wondering, I'm just spitballying. I'm not

1754
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: saying this is what We'm just spitballing. Laura, if we

1755
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 3: should get him on the show. What do you think,

1756
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 3: as she said, she said it like this, She went, oh, sure,

1757
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 3: kind of like I don't know, Bill, don't you think

1758
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 3: I would love to have Richard Cooper on the show.

1759
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 3: Is I want to talk to him because it comes

1760
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: down to your definition of what leading in a relationship

1761
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: looks like do you know what I mean? Because if

1762
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 3: leading in a relationship is being like, right today, we're

1763
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: going to go down to Bunnings like whatever, you suit yourself.

1764
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 3: But I think leading in a relationship is deciding what

1765
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 3: day towels day is, and what you're gonna have for

1766
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 3: dinner this evening and you know what you're gonna buy,

1767
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I

1768
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 3: feel like, actually, women do lead pretty much all relationships.

1769
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 3: But anyway, I feel like this is a conversation for

1770
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,480
Speaker 3: me and Richard, not a conversation for me and you necessarily,

1771
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 3: So Laura give me a thumbs up. Promise we're gonna

1772
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 3: get him. Yeah, she promises, Yep, she promises. Twenty two

1773
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 3: away from seven.

1774
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Speaker 1: Heather doul All Blacks.

1775
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Speaker 3: I've made seven changes to the team that will take

1776
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 3: on Australia and Perth on Saturday night. Captain Scott Barrett

1777
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 3: is back from a shoulder injury to Might Williams, Fletcher

1778
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Speaker 3: new Ll Damien Mackenzie leicstifying an acout that are all

1779
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 3: in as well. Liam Napiers, the Herall's rugby correspondent in

1780
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 3: Perth and with us now Hey, Liam, evening. Okay, what's

1781
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 3: the mood ahead of the Test?

1782
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 17: Well, it's certainly interesting.

1783
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 10: Scott Robinson's sprung some selection surprises there, quinta pie in

1784
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 10: its center hasn't played there for five years for the

1785
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 10: Chiefs and leicesterifying and Nook who playing his first game

1786
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 10: for the All Blacks in two years after spending two

1787
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 10: years in France. So look, the All Blacks are searching

1788
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 10: for consistency. They've gone win loss, win, loss, win, and

1789
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 10: to try and to break that trend, Robinson's turned to

1790
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 10: some freshness and some players that we haven't seen too

1791
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Speaker 10: much of this year.

1792
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,879
Speaker 3: Okay, are you worried about d mac.

1793
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 17: Not rarely?

1794
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 10: No, he I think he's been waiting a long time

1795
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 10: for this chance. He started the first eight tests of

1796
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 10: Scott Robinson's tenure last year. He's only had one start

1797
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 10: eight teen this year. But I think Perth should suit him.

1798
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 10: It should be an open, expansive game. The Wallabies give

1799
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 10: the All Blacks a lot more freedom to play, so

1800
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 10: I think this game will suit him.

1801
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 17: But I am worried about the Wallabies. I think they'll respond.

1802
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 10: They get Will Skelton, Rob Valentini and some real big

1803
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 10: bodies back in their FOURD pack, so I'm nervous about

1804
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 10: what they could bring.

1805
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 3: What specifically makes you feel nervous, Well.

1806
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 10: The All Blacks form, for one, they've really struggled to

1807
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 10: put back to back performances together this year and Joe

1808
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 10: Shmitt is an incredibly savvy coach. And I think we

1809
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 10: saw last week that the Wallabies are a different team.

1810
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 10: They've got a depth of character and resilience about them.

1811
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 10: They didn't go away, they came back within two points

1812
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 10: of the All Blacks at eden Park at their fortress.

1813
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 10: So coming home getting some players back, I think they'll

1814
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 10: bring a lot of confidence into this week.

1815
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Now Scott Barrett is back shoulder injury. Can't

1816
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: have been that bad, can it?

1817
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 17: No? No, it wasn't. It was only mine.

1818
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 10: I think he tried pushed pretty hard to play last

1819
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 10: week but was ruled out on the Tuesday of the

1820
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 10: Eden Park tests. So he comes back and regains the captaincy.

1821
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 10: So interesting to see how he comes back because Ardie

1822
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 10: led the team really well at eden Park, very inspirational turnover.

1823
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 17: At one point.

1824
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 10: There's been a bit of discussion around the All Blacks captaincy,

1825
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 10: so I think Scott will be looking for a big performance.

1826
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 17: He tends to get up for the Wallabies.

1827
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 10: A couple of years ago Nick White and him had

1828
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 10: a bit of a toe to toe and he put

1829
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 10: his finger on his mouth and told him to shush.

1830
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 17: So it could be a bit of a niggle this weekend.

1831
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, now theres as you point out, there has been

1832
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 3: a fair bit of chat about who should be the captain.

1833
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 3: It has been a fair chat bit of chat about

1834
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: whether Razor is the right guy to be the coach.

1835
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: Are they hearing this stuff? Is this weighing on them?

1836
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 10: They certainly hear it. Yep, they'll tell you that they don't.

1837
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 10: They don't read the media, they don't hear the media,

1838
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 10: they don't listen to people on the street. But they'll

1839
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 10: be well aware of it, and they're aware of their

1840
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 10: own frustrations, their own struggles, and they certainly demand more

1841
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 10: of themselves. So they need a big performance this weekend

1842
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 10: because the spring boxer and the box seat. To claim

1843
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 10: the Rugby Championship title, the All Blacks need a bonus

1844
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 10: point victory and they need to score three more tries

1845
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 10: than the Wallabies to have any hope of regaining that trophy.

1846
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 10: So the all Blacks have everything to prove brilliant.

1847
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: Liam, look after yourself, Thanks very much man. That's Liam

1848
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 3: apr Rugby correspondent. Of course you can listen to Elliot

1849
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 3: Smith and the commentary team right here on News Talk ZB.

1850
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 3: It's nineteen away from.

1851
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Seven together, dupless.

1852
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 3: Now, yesterday we talked a fair bit about how much wealth,

1853
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: what level of wealth you need to be in the

1854
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 3: top fifty or ten or five or one percent or

1855
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 3: whatever of the wealthiest New Zealanders. Very interesting to see

1856
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 3: today how our our numbers actually compare to the rest

1857
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 3: of the world. So just to remind it, to be

1858
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 3: in the top one percent of the wealthiest New Zealanders

1859
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: in this country and it is it's net wealth, right,

1860
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: so it's your assets minus yet your liabilities. To be

1861
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 3: in the one percent, the top one percent, you have

1862
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,879
Speaker 3: to have eight point seven million New Zealand in assets.

1863
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 3: In the United States in order to be in the

1864
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: top one percent, the average net worth is sixty six million,

1865
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 3: So their top one percent is just like eye wateringly

1866
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 3: so much more so, much more wealthy than ours. In

1867
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 3: the UK. You need a it's actually bang on the

1868
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 3: same as ours. Really in the UK, you have to

1869
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 3: have eight point three five million to be in the

1870
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: top one percent. In Japan, it's a lot lower. It's

1871
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 3: only about one million dollars New Zealand to be in

1872
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 3: the top one percent. Interestingly, our top one percent holds

1873
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: about fourteen percent of our total assets in the country.

1874
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 3: But in the United States, their top one percent, even

1875
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 3: though you need sixty six mil to get in the

1876
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 3: top one percent, their top one percent holds thirty one

1877
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: percent of the country's wealth. So I guess what I'm

1878
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: trying to say, what I'm trying to point out is

1879
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 3: in terms of absolutely there is an income gap. Oh

1880
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 3: there's a wealth gap, and absolutely it has been growing

1881
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 3: since especially the nineteen eighties. And we can we can

1882
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 3: talk about the reasons for that, and we can talk

1883
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 3: about whether it's desirable or not, blah blah blah. But

1884
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: in terms of how the rest of the world is

1885
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 3: in terms of the income gap, that the wealth gaps

1886
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 3: that they have, it's not nearly as bad here as

1887
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 3: it is elsewhere. Seventeen Away from seven.

1888
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics, it's all

1889
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass

1890
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: for Insurance investments and kiuie safer, You're in good hands.

1891
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: They get a load of this.

1892
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: There is a guy in New Zealand, lives in Tiatato

1893
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 3: who's never had a cell phone, and he's sixty three

1894
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 3: years old. He's he's a University of Auckland professor. He

1895
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 3: was in his war about thirty here reckons when the

1896
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: first brick cell phones came out, and he just kind

1897
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 3: of didn't catch on at the start, and then he's

1898
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 3: become kind of weird and stubborn now and now refuses

1899
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 3: to get a cell phone. He every how does he

1900
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 3: survive every single form that he has to fill out,

1901
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 3: asks him for his phone number, He puts his partner's

1902
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 3: phone number, and she gets annoyed about that. He keeps

1903
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 3: his diary appointments and his contacts in a little green

1904
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 3: Collin's diary which keeps in his pocket. And he doesn't

1905
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 3: have Spotify, of course, so when people come over, he

1906
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 3: plays his nineteen oh five grammarphone. And of course he

1907
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 3: doesn't have navigation because we you know, we're all relying

1908
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 3: on it, like right down to needing your phone to

1909
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 3: your watch to buzz on your arm. He has to

1910
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 3: do it by memory. Or buy a map book anyway.

1911
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 3: He says he doesn't know it's becoming it's becoming challenging

1912
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 3: now and he doesn't know how long he's going to last.

1913
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 3: What a strange and exciting experiment to put yourself through.

1914
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven together do for c Ellen Luder

1915
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Brady UK correspondents with us.

1916
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 13: Hello, Da, Heather, I salute that man if he's listening

1917
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 13: in Tiata too. If I've pronounced it correctly, I absolutely

1918
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 13: take my hat after him. I wish I didn't have

1919
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 13: a mobile phone.

1920
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 3: And yeah you say that, You say that, Inda, and

1921
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 3: yet if you didn't have a mobile phone, you would

1922
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 3: hate it.

1923
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 13: It's very true.

1924
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,799
Speaker 3: Boss. How would you know how fast you're running your miles?

1925
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 13: Well, I've got a little watch for that.

1926
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 3: Boss.

1927
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 13: I just think we have become slaves to these devices

1928
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 13: and one comp but in particular good on that man,

1929
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 13: I say.

1930
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, not bad. Now what's hes done to Will?

1931
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 13: So this is interesting big hearing at the High Court.

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Speaker 13: It's the latest round of the allegations about misbehavior by

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Speaker 13: newspapers into the lives, the private lives of celebrities. So

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Speaker 13: there's a group taking a case against associate newspapers which

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Speaker 13: published the Daily Mail and The Mail on Sunday. Harry

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Speaker 13: is in this group, so too is the actress Liz Hurley,

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Speaker 13: Sadie Frost, the actress Elton John and his husband David Furnish,

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Speaker 13: lots of very famous people. Now, Harry's lawyers have let

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Speaker 13: it be known that his associates were dragged into this

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Speaker 13: and that they were spied on too, and the court said, well,

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Speaker 13: who were his associates? And Catherine Middleton was named now,

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Speaker 13: of course Princess of Wales. A phone conversation on a

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Speaker 13: mobile that she had was apparently spied on by a newspaper.

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Speaker 13: And then there was also an allegation around William's twenty

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Speaker 13: first birthday in the summer of two one thousand and three.

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Speaker 13: The theme was Out of Africa and there was some

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Speaker 13: phone hacking that allegedly went on around that event as well.

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Speaker 13: So they can't separate themselves. As much as these two

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Speaker 13: brothers are not in each other's lives anymore, Harry has

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Speaker 13: dragged his brother and sister in law into this case.

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Speaker 3: Will they be upset about that?

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Speaker 13: I'm not sure they will, because I think William was

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Speaker 13: the first person to kick start legal action against the

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Speaker 13: newspapers a long time ago now, and he was very

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Speaker 13: successful with this. He suffered a knee injury playing soccer

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Speaker 13: in central London one night with a very trusted group

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Speaker 13: of friends and a text message was exchanged about how

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Speaker 13: his knee was or a voicemail was left, and this

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Speaker 13: was intercepted by a newspaper, and William got suspicious. William's

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Speaker 13: not stupid. He knew that the guys he was playing

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Speaker 13: footy with would not in any way tell a newspaper

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Speaker 13: he'd hurt his knee. That ended up in a newspaper

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Speaker 13: a few days later, and William launched his legal action.

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Speaker 13: I don't think he'll be too upset about this.

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Speaker 3: Interesting now, how much did it cost you guys to

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Speaker 3: change the flags because the red was the wrong red?

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Speaker 13: This is the American state visit from Trump a couple

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Speaker 13: of weeks ago. It's all coming out now. The Americans

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Speaker 13: felt that they should have a brighter red in their

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Speaker 13: stars and stripes than the red in the Union flag

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Speaker 13: of the United Kingdom, so they demanded that all the

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Speaker 13: flags that would be on display be replaced. Cool one

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand dollars that fabric cost. There you go, they

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Speaker 13: are now using a bright I hadn't even noticed this,

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Speaker 13: but apparently it's called cherry red, and that was the

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Speaker 13: red that the Trump administration wanted in the stars and stripes.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now I can't get to the bottom of whether it's

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Speaker 3: because the rid on the American flags had had some

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Speaker 3: damage and had faded, or whether it was actually just

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Speaker 3: printed in the wrong red.

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Speaker 17: Do you know.

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Speaker 13: We haven't got to the bottom of that either here,

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Speaker 13: but what happens before state visits is all the officials

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Speaker 13: from the Holsting government have to go and visit the

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Speaker 13: embassy of the visiting government and display the flags and say, look,

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Speaker 13: this is what we're going to put up. But you

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Speaker 13: guys happy with this. We've got everything the right way around,

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Speaker 13: and you know, mistakes can happen, and the Americans said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 13: we want to brighter red. It may be that the

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Speaker 13: fabric had faded since the previous physitsor.

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Speaker 3: Ah, Enda, thank you very much, well, good luck with

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Speaker 3: the rest of your life without your phone, Inda, that's Ende.

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Speaker 3: Brady are UK correspondent. We'll talk to you on the landline.

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Speaker 3: I suppose next week. You know, yesterday we're talking about

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Speaker 3: what was going on with Pete Heigseeth and his weird

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Speaker 3: little speech that which was kind of fun but also

1998
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Speaker 3: still quite weird to the generals. Female US military veterans

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Speaker 3: have now pushed back against what he said, And what

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Speaker 3: he said was that female soldiers will have to take

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Speaker 3: the male fitness test and if they don't qualify for

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Speaker 3: the army as a result of that, will then so

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Speaker 3: be it. These women who've been in the army say, actually,

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Speaker 3: the standards have always been the same for men and women,

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Speaker 3: and women pass and women have never asked for anything easier.

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Speaker 3: So that seems to be a bit of a mystery.

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Speaker 3: Eight away from seven, it's the Heather Too for.

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Speaker 2: C Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Heather rdsav must be the captain here, so much more

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Speaker 3: inspirational as a leader. Well, actually, do you know what?

2012
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Speaker 3: I Am starting to come around to this idea, and

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Speaker 3: that's definitely a discussion for Darcy. Who's going to be

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Speaker 3: with you next now, Emma Watson, now if you haven't,

2015
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Speaker 3: because Libby hasn't been here all week. Libby's been down

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Speaker 3: with the Roner. So this especially for Libby, just to

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Speaker 3: bring her up to speed on what's been going on

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Speaker 3: with Emma Watson. Okay, if you haven't caught up on this,

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Speaker 3: this week, Emma Watson and JK Rowling have got into

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Speaker 3: an actual verbal stoush, which actually, up to now hasn't

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Speaker 3: actually happened. And this business about the transgender women and

2022
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Speaker 3: JK Rowling's opinions on it and stuff that has been

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Speaker 3: going on a long time. So the fact that they've

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Speaker 3: managed to avoid a verbal stoush in public with each

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Speaker 3: other has actually been quite a thing anyway, So they've

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Speaker 3: had the verbal stouch and JK Rowling has accused Emma

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Speaker 3: Watson of having quote little experience of real life. So

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Speaker 3: now everybody wants to know she water is that Emma

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Speaker 3: Watson does with her day while the Telegraph has done

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Speaker 3: a deep dive.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: You didn't ask for it, and yet they did it

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Speaker 3: for you. But it is kind of a little bit

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Speaker 3: fascinating anyway. I spent ages reading it, so I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you what's up. So apparently Emma Watson this

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Speaker 3: she was Hermioni Granger by the way, if you don't

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Speaker 3: know who I'm talking about. She's currently doing a PhD

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Speaker 3: in creative writing at Oxford University. She lives in a

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Speaker 3: mansion worth four million pounds, so what's that twelve million

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Speaker 3: dollars in Jericho, which is the city's affluent northern suburb.

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Speaker 3: It is equipped with a sauna and a hot tub.

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Speaker 3: She goes wild swimming nearby. She is a regular in

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Speaker 3: the Oxford pubs, where she can be heard opining on

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Speaker 3: feminism and other meaty topics. She's also become known for

2045
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Speaker 3: hosting dinners with her fellow students. She listens to podcasts

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Speaker 3: first thing in the morning, when she's taking her shower,

2047
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Speaker 3: or when she's going on her walk or making her breakfast.

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Speaker 3: She really, really really loves pickleball. There was a time

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Speaker 3: there for a bit where she was the coxswain on

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Speaker 3: the boat, on one of the boats. I don't really

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Speaker 3: know what she was. I don't really. I think she's

2052
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Speaker 3: given that up actually the rowing. She's had a bunch

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Speaker 3: of relationships, but she prefers to be by herself. She

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Speaker 3: has once described herself as being self partnered, which is handy.

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Speaker 3: It's like one of those animals that can mate with

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Speaker 3: themselves and make babies, is quite all. I ca an

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Speaker 3: avocado tree that can sort of self fertilize. It's a

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01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 3: handy thing to have to be self partnered. Anyway, she

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Speaker 3: recently got herself and when I say recently, I do

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Speaker 3: mean about three months ago in July, a six month

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Speaker 3: driving ban and a fine of about three thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: for speeding in her Audi S three. So now as

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Speaker 3: a result, she's stuck to the two wheel options. She's

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Speaker 3: on the bicycle. Yeah, that's it. I don't know. I've

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Speaker 3: gotta be honest with you, Libby. I'm jealous of her day.

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Speaker 3: How do they know all that stuff?

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Speaker 22: I don't know.

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Speaker 26: I know she listens to a podcast in.

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Speaker 3: The show she Talks. She talked to another podcast about

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Speaker 3: how she listens to a podcast. I can actually reference

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Speaker 3: you want to you want references for any any of

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Speaker 3: the other stuff?

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Speaker 26: Yep, give it to me.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 3: No, that's it. The Telegraph, dot co dot UK. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I am jealous of Emma Watson's life. That is that

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Speaker 3: is basically the end of that story. Go on there, Libby.

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Speaker 26: It's very chilled, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's cool.

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Speaker 26: I'm just taking on a fun one from former One

2081
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Speaker 26: Direction boy bander Louis Tomlinson, who has announced his new album,

2082
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Speaker 26: but he's gonna put a bit of distance between the

2083
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Speaker 26: Album of the Year, which comes out tomorrow and his album.

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Speaker 26: It's going to be called How Did I Get Here?

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Speaker 26: And it won't come out until January.

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Speaker 3: What's the album of the year Tomorrow? Oh, Tay Tay

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Speaker 3: is dropping at five o'clock.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here tomorrow. I'm sorry Andrew Dickinson. We're letting

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens do it because he's a huge Tailor fan

2091
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: and he wants to be live on air when it drops,

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01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 3: so he's gonna bring you all the songs. I'm just

2093
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 3: going to sit at time and I'm going wild swimming

2094
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Speaker 3: while listening to a podcast and playing Peckle Walk. So

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Speaker 3: I'll see your Monday.

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Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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