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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 3: Us folk said, be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Coming up today, Australia's just raised its terrorism threat level

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Speaker 3: this afternoon from possible to probable. We're going to find

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Speaker 3: out why government's finally made a call on those stupid

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Speaker 3: infant formula rules. We're going to chat to the Minister Responsible,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Hogart. He's with us after five, and we'll also

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Speaker 3: get you across the latest in the Polkinghorn trial with

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Speaker 3: our reporter who's been in.

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Speaker 1: Court, Heather due for c ellis.

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Speaker 3: I almost can't believe that there are people who have

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Speaker 3: a problem, apparently with the idea of partially privatizing Kiwibank.

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Speaker 3: And as far as I can see, this is absolutely

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Speaker 3: a no brainer. And by the way, the reason that

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Speaker 3: we're talking about this again is because Nikola Willis gave

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Speaker 3: a speech on this at the weekend. Now, the fact

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Speaker 3: that she gave a speech on this at the weekend,

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Speaker 3: I think you should take as a pretty clear indication

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Speaker 3: that she plans to do something in this space. Whatever

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Speaker 3: it is. She's gonna do something with Kiwibank. Otherwise she

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be wasting her time and effort and possibly some

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Speaker 3: political capital raising this thing again. Now, why I think

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Speaker 3: this is a no brainer is, for a start, we're

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Speaker 3: not actually privatizing or selling, well, we are privatizing, We're

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Speaker 3: not selling part of kwibank. Okay, it's not like we're

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Speaker 3: giving some of it away in exchange for money. We

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Speaker 3: are adding to it in exchange for money. What it

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Speaker 3: needs is more capital. It needs more money put in,

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Speaker 3: so an investor or investors will obviously chuck money into

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Speaker 3: KEII Bank in exchange for ownership. US tax payers currently

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Speaker 3: own one hundred percent. We're not going to own any less.

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Speaker 3: We're just going to own a chunk of the same

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Speaker 3: amount of what will be inevitably a much bigger bank.

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Speaker 3: This is what the Commons Commission says we need to

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Speaker 3: do to increase competition.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We've whined about this and winged about this for the

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Speaker 3: longest time. How the Aussie bank's dominating our banking sector.

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Speaker 3: This is what they say we need to do.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that this is going to be a

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Speaker 3: game changer overnight, necessarily, even in the long run change

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Speaker 3: things in a really, really big way. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't think we're talking about Keewebank going toe to toe

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Speaker 3: on the same level as these banks, because even if

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Speaker 3: it gets this investment, it will still be small in contrast,

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Speaker 3: but it will help Kiwi Bank to get a little

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Speaker 3: bit bigger, go a little bit closer to being able

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Speaker 3: to compete with these guys, and it needs the money

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Speaker 3: to improve. Frankly, it's a crap bank. Have you banked

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Speaker 3: with keep a bank? It sucks. I tried banking with

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Speaker 3: it because I wanted to be you know, I wanted

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Speaker 3: to be a good patriot. And then I kind of

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Speaker 3: I shut down my bank accounts and I haven't looked

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Speaker 3: back ever since. That's what they need money for, right

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Speaker 3: in order to be able to improve themselves. And we

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Speaker 3: new Zealanders on the other side actually need more things

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Speaker 3: to invest in them. If you have a look at

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Speaker 3: much on offer. Now, I am slightly jumping the gun

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Speaker 3: here because I don't know what Nikolaulus actually plans to do,

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Speaker 3: going to be a case of inviting in a big

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Speaker 3: guy like the Superfund or something like that. Personally, I

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Speaker 3: hope for a partial float. I think that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: The only reason that I can imagine that people have

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Speaker 3: and privatizations have become dirty things since the eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 3: and when people hear that we're planning to do something

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Speaker 3: don't think about it. But if you actually examine the

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Speaker 3: I think it makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupe see out.

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. Let me

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Speaker 3: know what you think. Standard text fees applied. As I say,

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Speaker 3: Nichola willis the woman behind the idea. So thus after

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Speaker 3: On another subject. Patient advocates are furious because of a

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has blocked this so far, Mack agreed to

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Speaker 3: fund the medicine key Truder from the first of October.

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Speaker 3: You'll remember that cancer patients really stoked about that. It's

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Speaker 3: designed to treat five cancers with this round of funding,

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Speaker 3: head to neck, triple negative, breast, colorectal bladder, and Hodgkin lymphoma.

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Speaker 3: The drug company has now offered to give twenty to

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Speaker 3: thirty patients free access in the meat time. But how

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has blocked it, saying the rollout is planned

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Speaker 3: for October needs to be done on the basis of need.

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Speaker 3: Patient voice outs here or a chair Malcolm le Holland

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Speaker 3: is with us. Now, hey Malcolm for a start, Why

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Speaker 3: did the drug company offer it to these twenty to

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Speaker 6: My understanding is that that happens quite a bit. So

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Speaker 6: excess scheme giving the drug for free. And so this

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Speaker 6: being publicly funded by Farmik, So this is nothing new.

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Speaker 3: Why do they do that?

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Speaker 6: It's a very good question. I suspect it's probably because

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Speaker 6: able to access that treatment predibly. If you diagnose them

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Speaker 6: with a net timeframe, they're able to get the product.

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Speaker 6: That means they'll continue on once the funding kicks and

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Speaker 6: Look, that's a great question. I can't, for the life

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Speaker 6: of need. You can have any criteria other than you

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Speaker 6: go and see an oncologist, you are told you have

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Speaker 6: So to me, the whole need argument doesn't steck up.

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Speaker 6: It's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Welcome, because what we're

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Speaker 3: We should be grateful for that.

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Speaker 6: Shouldn't we Oh, absolutely we should. That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 6: That's free, and not only that it face the text

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Speaker 6: patients that need the likes of tenure drugs and the like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Malcolm, is it possible? I mean we're talking about

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Speaker 3: through the health system. Those two months that these people

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Speaker 6: It depends on the patient, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 6: and when they're diagnosed, it would be really hard to

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Speaker 6: Where my heart really bleeds though, is for those in

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that Health New Zealand have said no

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Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't think so, because they would have predicted

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Speaker 3: Malcolm, thank you for talking to us. We'll never really

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Speaker 7: Sixteen past four, Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's

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Speaker 7: Heather duper c Allen drive with one New zealand one

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Speaker 3: Behither we joined Kiwibang. We never looked back. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure what happened to you, but we've had nothing but

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Speaker 3: professional assistance. And we even know our bank manager. She

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Speaker 3: is Cheryl, Cheryl good on you do you know what

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Speaker 3: I think it's got to do with who you bank with? Already?

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Speaker 3: I bank with asb asb as just amazing. I don't

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Speaker 3: their app is amazing. They're fast banking thing. I don't

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Speaker 3: whole thing's amazing. And so the problem is because I'm

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Speaker 3: this is not good. So maybe you just had a

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Hey, thank you. Elliot appreciates Elliot Smith

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather dupic Alan

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and use dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be twenty six. Listen. Christopher Luxon's busy holding his

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Speaker 10: We have agreed to opt out of the joint Infant

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Speaker 3: And finally, US presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Junior has

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Speaker 3: of it. And at the time, there have been a

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Speaker 3: few news stories of pedestrians dying on a new bike

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Speaker 3: lane near Central Park. So what he did was he

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Speaker 3: took the corpse there and then he tried to make

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Speaker 3: it look like it had been hit by a bike.

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Speaker 3: He's now come clean. In an interview with Roseanne bar

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Speaker 3: I was a drenk, of.

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Speaker 12: Course, for people were drenking both men who fought this

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Speaker 12: was a good idea, and I had old bake my

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Speaker 12: card to ask me to get rid of it. I said,

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Speaker 12: let's complete the parents in Central Park and I'll make

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Speaker 12: it look.

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Speaker 3: Like what a winner.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson sixty hour Perth Live Presenters with.

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Speaker 13: Us ALI get aheader and what do you make of.

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Speaker 3: This raising of the domestic terrorist threat level.

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Speaker 13: Well, the time is interesting and I say that because

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Speaker 13: you heard from the Prime Minister. The radicalization, particularly amongst

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Speaker 13: the youth, is one of these drivers for the decision

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Speaker 13: to increase the alert level for the first time twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 13: But we already had two terror attacks in the first

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Speaker 13: half of twenty twenty four You'll remember what happened in

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Speaker 13: the church in Sydney in Western Sydney, and you'll remember

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Speaker 13: what happened here in Perth in the car part.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 13: Thankfully, in both of these incidents we are not talking

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Speaker 13: about mass terror events where multiple people die. Yes, in

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Speaker 13: the Perth instance, one person did die. But we've already

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Speaker 13: seen this playing out over the last few months. But

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Speaker 13: the Prime Ministers have stayed today that awful ideologies are

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Speaker 13: unlikely to go towards violence, that online radicalization in the

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Speaker 13: rise of the new mixed ideologies is what is prompting this.

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Speaker 13: I think we were talking about this a few months ago.

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Speaker 13: So I do just wonder why today, of all days,

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Speaker 13: AVO has raised the alert level. I'm assuming there is

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Speaker 13: more intelligence that there are other groups perhaps gathering or

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Speaker 13: individuals who are being brainwashed with this ideology. The timing

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Speaker 13: is interesting because we seem to have settled so we

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Speaker 13: thought so over the last couple of months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't quite. I think the time in question

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Speaker 3: is a good one actually, And we may pose that

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Speaker 3: to greeg Bart and who's going to be that after

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Speaker 3: five because it does feel like a strange timing on

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Speaker 3: the situation with Israel. Israel and the death of the

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Speaker 3: aid worker. Why won't they apologize for this?

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Speaker 13: Well, they're saying at the moment that the federal government,

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Speaker 13: that's the Australian government's response is a misrepresentation in how

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Speaker 13: these findings are being conducted. A serious failures in Israeli

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Speaker 13: military practices were responsible for the deaths of Australian aid

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Speaker 13: worker Lao Zawami, Zomi Frankom and six of her colleagues

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Speaker 13: in April. That's according to a report as was commissioned

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Speaker 13: here by the Australian government, but they said the strike

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Speaker 13: was quote not knowingly or deliberately directed against the World

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Speaker 13: Central Kitchen. Penny Wong has also said it was an

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Speaker 13: intentional strike by the IDF. But the Israeli embassy today

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Speaker 13: has said that they know that Australia had no investigative

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Speaker 13: authority or mandate and it included misrepresentations amidting crucial details

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Speaker 13: about exactly what was conducted. So while it might just

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Speaker 13: sound is that there's some technical issues if you like.

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Speaker 13: Obviously the Israeli military is not going to acknowledge an

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Speaker 13: Australian government report saying they haven't got all the details

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Speaker 13: and I've got all the information. Therefore they're making no apology.

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Speaker 13: But it's rising tensions between the two governments and what's the.

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Speaker 3: Rising to what point? What would be the worst case

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Speaker 3: scenario here?

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Speaker 13: Well, it would be interesting to see how far this

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Speaker 13: would go, because we do know that the Australian governments

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Speaker 13: is not as false right with the position, if you like,

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Speaker 13: in support of the Israeli government. We saw the Opposition

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Speaker 13: leader Peter Dutton as a guest of the Israeli governments

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Speaker 13: over in Tel Aviv last week. Penny Wong and Anthony

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Speaker 13: Alberzi want to be very keen to not try and

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Speaker 13: upset anybody in this process. Obviously, the Australian government officially

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Speaker 13: will not say that it is working towards a two

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Speaker 13: state solution. That is what you obviously hear from the

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Speaker 13: Labor Party. That is a Labor Party policy. But without

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Speaker 13: trying to put everybody's noses out of joint here head,

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Speaker 13: it does appear as over strong relationship that Australia had

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Speaker 13: with Israel that has certainly been weakened under the Alberzi

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Speaker 13: governments leadership. But again they don't want to try and

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Speaker 13: upset the Israeli governments because they're just trying to walk

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Speaker 13: this very very fine line in relations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, how far can you go with

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Speaker 3: fifty cents on public transport in Queensland.

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Speaker 13: Wherever you want? Because as of today, and wouldn't you

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Speaker 13: think this is a great idea that all public transports

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Speaker 13: would just be fifty cents If you want to get

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Speaker 13: on the train and go for an hour on the

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Speaker 13: metropolitan area of Brisbane, go for it now, head, the

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Speaker 13: Queensland government is broke. There is a state election up

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Speaker 13: in the Sunshine State later this year. Premier Stephen Miles

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Speaker 13: has tried to give everybody a thousand dollars which he

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Speaker 13: doesn't have, towards electricity bills now fifty cent public transport.

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Speaker 13: He is trying everything he can to save as many

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Speaker 13: six as possible. It's only political with this bloke, and

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Speaker 13: it's a trial, and it's only a trial for the

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Speaker 13: next couple of months to see if people use it.

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Speaker 13: Obviously to get himself to the election. If he wins it.

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Speaker 13: He's getting rid of it because he realizes that he

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Speaker 13: got back into power. But he's not going to win it.

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Speaker 6: He's going to lose the election.

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Speaker 13: He's going to force it on the next government, the

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Speaker 13: next LMP government, to say, well, we'll introduced a policy

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Speaker 13: where it was cheap to get on the train or

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Speaker 13: the bar. Why are you doing it anymore? So set

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Speaker 13: up to fail this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you've seen right through it, Olie,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. Appreciated, Oli Peterson six pr Perth

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Speaker 3: Life presenter. Here the men eat road kill all the time?

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 1: Do they do?

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Speaker 3: They eat that all the time? Were just some men occasionally? Mike,

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Speaker 3: thank you now the French are getting a really hard

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Speaker 3: time just speaking about the Olympics earlier. French, you're getting

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Speaker 3: a really bad rap for the state that the Olympic

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Speaker 3: athletes village is. And apparently it is so hot and noisy,

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Speaker 3: and we kind of have warned about this, right because

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Speaker 3: if you've been to Paris in the summer, it's a hot,

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Speaker 3: hot place. Is not a lot of air conditioning around.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it's so hot, but then also so noisy that

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Speaker 3: one of the Italian swimmers was spotted napping in a

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Speaker 3: park next to a bench. A Saudi rower saw him

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Speaker 3: and then took a photo and put her on social

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Speaker 3: media or whatever. This guy, by the way, who was

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Speaker 3: napping as the guy who won the one hundred meters

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Speaker 3: backstroke gold medal, right, so he's a serious athlete. In

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Speaker 3: the photo, he's lying right next to a bench and

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Speaker 3: there's back to the bench, sleeping on a towel. He's

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Speaker 3: got a shoes off, sock still on. Put the shoes

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Speaker 3: by the feet like little air like he's traveling like

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Speaker 3: he's a little airplane. It's a little shoes there and

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Speaker 3: he's got his bag by his head and he's just

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Speaker 3: lying there and having a snooze. This plus the food shortages,

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Speaker 3: plus the cramped conditions in the rooms, plus the lack

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Speaker 3: of air conditioning, plus also reports that the athletes are

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Speaker 3: actually getting food poisoning in there. It's really not looking

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Speaker 3: very good at all, and in the state of the

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Speaker 3: sin not looking very good at all for the French is.

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Speaker 2: At quarter to politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 2: and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with us A Barry,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Heather, So thank god we seem to have

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Speaker 3: made the right decision about the infant formula rules right.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, for the Australian to try and impose

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Speaker 15: a blanket requirement on advertising to New Zealand on this

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Speaker 15: what is a very important product for this country is

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Speaker 15: plain and simple ridiculous. I mean, we've looked at it.

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Speaker 15: This has been an issue now for some number of

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Speaker 15: years and it's been looked at time and time again.

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Speaker 15: So they've decided New Zealand to opt out of the

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Speaker 15: food standard which is being imposed by Australia for the

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Speaker 15: Prime to Chris likeson though he said it was simply

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Speaker 15: a no brainer.

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Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 10: Our view is that we're opting out of that because

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Speaker 10: we have about one point eight billion dollars worth formula

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Speaker 10: that we sell predominantly to China, a little bit into Australia,

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Speaker 10: and you know, we looked at those two small parts

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Speaker 10: of that overall package and said, look, we can't support

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Speaker 10: those things. Again, we're taking a position that's acting in

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Speaker 10: New Zealand's national interests and you know, we are very

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Speaker 10: clear that we will opt out of it with the

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Speaker 10: joints stander with Australia because of those two components.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, you know that makes sense, doesn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 15: we have to look after ourselves. And if you don't

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Speaker 15: have a white label, if you like, on infant formula,

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Speaker 15: it's ridiculous. I mean, people can make up their own minds,

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Speaker 15: and I think that's what the government's are going here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it is. Apparently what's going on in Australia

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Speaker 3: is that the ambrestor's best Nazis are much more molicant

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Speaker 3: over there than they are over here, which is why

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Speaker 3: the Australian government basically gave up to them. Yeah, buckle

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Speaker 3: to them. Yeah, it's probably the color of the government.

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Speaker 15: Should credit mothers with bit more intelligence and they can

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Speaker 15: read labels like anyone else.

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Speaker 3: What a novel idea. Women have brains listen. Australia raising

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Speaker 3: its terrorism threat level. The question, of course is why

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Speaker 3: now is this possibly pre empting retaliation in the Middle

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Speaker 3: East that could just make things even hotter?

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Speaker 15: There is that And what they say out of Australia

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Speaker 15: is that security officials they've investigated eight incidents in Australia

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Speaker 15: for alleged terrorism or possible terrorist links and as a

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Speaker 15: result they've up their rating from possible to probable. And

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Speaker 15: of course that will see in the shivers up the

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Speaker 15: Australian population, because you know, it is an issue for

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Speaker 15: the broader population. If you think that probably a terrorist

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Speaker 15: act could take place in this country, you only have

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Speaker 15: to look at Britain to see how bad it is

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Speaker 15: at the moment with riots in the streets and what

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Speaker 15: have you. But the governments will worldwide, you know, they're

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Speaker 15: very concerned about radicalization of youth and I think we

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Speaker 15: are too here. But we have what they call the

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Speaker 15: Combined Threat Assessment Group, and that's made up of government agencies,

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Speaker 15: obviously headed by the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service, New

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Speaker 15: Zealand Police Defense Force, GCSB and the likes m Fat,

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Speaker 15: they're all part of it. They last reviewed it in

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Speaker 15: February and decided that we would have a low ranking,

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Speaker 15: so New Zealanders don't have to be scared the way

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Speaker 15: Australians clearly have been told to.

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Speaker 16: Good.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen what has happened with the scarf in Parliament?

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Speaker 15: Oh, this debate over what you can and can't wear

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Speaker 15: in Parliament is becoming ridiculous. Our role mate John Minto,

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Speaker 15: he's from the Palestine Solidarity Network. He's written to the Speaker.

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Speaker 15: He said that the Palestinian scarf, he said, he comes

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Speaker 15: as a surprise to him that it's now and a

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Speaker 15: piece of clothing in Parliament's public gallery. He said it's

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Speaker 15: unreasonable and untenable. And he said, then does the band

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Speaker 15: include the Jewish cap, the Turkish fairs, the English bowler

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Speaker 15: hat and the Mexican poncho.

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Speaker 3: Come on, what is the political statement in the other zone?

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Speaker 15: Well, exactly, I was going to say, for John Minto's knowledge,

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Speaker 15: that all those that I've just mentioned would be allowed

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Speaker 15: to be worn in Parliament. But the Speaker, I've been

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Speaker 15: in touch with him today, he said scarves haven't been

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Speaker 15: allowed in Parliament. That was news to me, I must say,

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Speaker 15: by the security people for some time, regardless of what

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Speaker 15: they represent.

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Speaker 3: So who was trying to wear a scarf anyway?

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Speaker 15: Well, a couple of pro Palestinian people tried to go

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Speaker 15: through security, I think it was last week into the

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Speaker 15: gallery that years and they were told to leave their

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Speaker 15: scarves in the box outside and then they could enter,

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Speaker 15: and they kicked up a So security will well and

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Speaker 15: truly within their rights.

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Speaker 3: All right, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate it. This

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Speaker 3: Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: So the big headline out of the net to get

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Speaker 17: together over the weekend is that their new plan on

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Speaker 17: maths is being implemented. Early Education Minister Erica Stanford is

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Speaker 17: with us when you've got a union saying they do

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Speaker 17: it well and the results say that we don't.

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Speaker 1: You've got to fight on your hands.

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Speaker 18: Haven't you. Well, they're completely out of touch. And I

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Speaker 18: tell you what, I have been around the country for

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Speaker 18: the last couple of years talking with principles of high

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Speaker 18: schools and primary schools and they all agree that we

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Speaker 18: have a massive problem in maths. Nobody agrees with the

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Speaker 18: union apart from the union, and I don't think we

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Speaker 18: should be listening to them. Union's can to have their

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Speaker 18: heads in the sands. But I'm going to move on

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Speaker 18: despite that and implement our plans because it has to happen.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the Rain Driver of the Laugh News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB five away from five, So we've got another day

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Speaker 3: of the pulking Horn trial now when even I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what this This is gripping, isn't It's fascinating to

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Speaker 3: see what's going on here in the argument. Even on

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Speaker 3: a holiday last week, could not stop myself reading this stuff.

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Speaker 3: The stuff today seems to kind of focus on whether

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Speaker 3: there is any evidence that she was actually killed in

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Speaker 3: the bedroom, and it seems to be that this is

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Speaker 3: a bit of a weak point in the Crown's argument

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Speaker 3: that there is no evidence that she did die in

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Speaker 3: the bedroom. There's no blood in the bedroom or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. We're gonna have a chat to our reporter

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Speaker 3: who's been sitting in court for the whole thing thus far.

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Speaker 3: Chelsea Daniels will bear us in twenty minutes time talk

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Speaker 3: us through that. On the issue of the key true

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Speaker 3: to Drugs that we started talking about just at the

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Speaker 3: very start of the program, this is health news. This

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Speaker 3: is if you didn't if you weren't here for this.

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Speaker 3: This is the drug company offering twenty to thirty patients

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Speaker 3: the ability to get key trud to now for two

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Speaker 3: months before it's actually publicly available to Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: saying no. We went to Health New Zealand to try

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Speaker 3: to find out why they said this. Originally they said

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be appropriate while waitlists were being put together,

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Speaker 3: but they've just released a statement to us in the

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Speaker 3: last all I want to say fifteen twenty minutes or

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Speaker 3: something like that, saying we are seeking further advance on

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Speaker 3: this matter and have nothing more to add at this point. Now,

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Speaker 3: if they're seeking further advice and have nothing more to

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Speaker 3: add right now, it means that they are preparing to

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Speaker 3: do a U turn, which is great news for the

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Speaker 3: patients who want to be able to get a hold

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Speaker 3: of that. So just hang tired and see what they

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Speaker 3: say or have to say something quickly. And also on

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Speaker 3: the case of Lauren Dickison, now you would have caught

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Speaker 3: this in the headlines before. She is now appealing her

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Speaker 3: convictions for murdering her three little girls. There is no

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Speaker 3: the grounds for the appeal are not yet known. If

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Speaker 3: the appeal is successful, then she will go to a

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Speaker 3: second trial. I mean, it probably doesn't take a rocket

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Speaker 3: scientist to figure out that the grounds for the appeal

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Speaker 3: will be something along the lines I would imagine of

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Speaker 3: arguing much the same thing as before, which is that

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Speaker 3: she you know, she was in fantaside or a defense

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Speaker 3: of insanity or something like that. But why they would

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Speaker 3: want to like quite what the appeal will hinge on

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Speaker 3: will have to wait, so keep an eye on that

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Speaker 3: that will be coming by. I imagine we'll get that

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Speaker 3: detail shortlish as well. Straight after the news though, we're

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Speaker 3: going to go over to austral find out why they've

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Speaker 3: raised their terrorism threat level. Then we'll talk to the

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Speaker 3: food Minister, Food Safety Minister Andrew Hoggard about what on

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Speaker 3: earth is going on with these formula rules and what

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Speaker 3: the implications are, because I guarantee there will be something

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Speaker 3: here that's a little bit catchy for us, just a

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Speaker 3: little bit awkward news talk.

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Speaker 6: Zed B.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Celan Drive with one New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 1: Zed b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Australia has lifted its domestic terror threat from possible

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Speaker 3: to probable. The agency responsible for it, AZIO, says that

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Speaker 3: the risk of violence in Australia is increasing and more

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Speaker 3: people are being radicalized. Here's the Director General.

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Speaker 19: A threat level of probable means we assays there is

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Speaker 19: a great mother than fifty percent chance of an onshore

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Speaker 19: attack or planning in the next twelve months. It does

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Speaker 19: not mean that we have intelligence about a current tax

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Speaker 19: planning or an expectation of an imminent attack.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Greg Barton is a professor at Deacon University and an

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Speaker 3: expert on violent extremism and with us now, Hey, Greg, hi,

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Speaker 3: good to be with you. Why have they done this? Now?

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Speaker 6: They've done now because we're in a perfect storm. A

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Speaker 6: whole bunch of things have just got deadily worse over

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Speaker 6: the last two years since the terror at alert level

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Speaker 6: was dropped, and we're back to a point where it

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Speaker 6: makes sense to communicate to the public that behind the scenes,

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Speaker 6: the workload on counter terrorism has increased significantly and the

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Speaker 6: idea of these terror alert levels is that you reflect change.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you drop them when you can so people

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Speaker 6: don't tune out. But when you've got concerns, you communicate

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Speaker 6: to the public. And we're at that point now.

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Speaker 3: Are they possibly pre empting what may happen in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East next?

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Speaker 6: No, but what's happening in the Middle East adds to

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Speaker 6: that sort of febrile environment. Tragically passed three hundred days

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Speaker 6: of war in Ghars. That's been very brutal for po

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Speaker 6: little have been following along. It's just been harrowing to

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Speaker 6: see what's happening. And of course now we are concerned

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Speaker 6: that what has been a sort of a low key

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Speaker 6: proxy war with their own we'll see Iran proxies like

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Speaker 6: Hizbullah do something much more direct and so that's a concern.

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Speaker 6: The concern though, is what happens on Australian shores and

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Speaker 6: frankly really lone actors, individuals who decide to take things

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Speaker 6: out of the hands and do something.

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Speaker 3: Your racing scale is a five point scale. You've just

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Speaker 3: gone from three to four. Would that seems reasonably serious?

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Speaker 6: Is it Yeah, it's a five point scale, so top

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Speaker 6: end five means something's actually happened or is happening. Bottom

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Speaker 6: is something we don't think anything at all can happen.

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Speaker 6: We've gone from two to three. So the only sort

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Speaker 6: of way to go in terms of higher is specific

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Speaker 6: information about something being planned. So just batten down the

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Speaker 6: hatches or five. You know something's underway, stay put so

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Speaker 6: you know we're likely still. We were at this level

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Speaker 6: two years ago before it was dropped for eight years.

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Speaker 6: It went to that level in twenty fourteen with the

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Speaker 6: Islamic State color fact being declared, so late twenty fourteen

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Speaker 6: that sort of tells you something and not to say

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Speaker 6: we're at the same situation in twenty twenty four as

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Speaker 6: who were in late twenty fourteen, but you know, it's

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Speaker 6: pretty significant. You think back to those days when we

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Speaker 6: were horrified to see what if something state was doing

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Speaker 6: in northern Syria and Edi Ruk.

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Speaker 3: Greg, it's good to talk to you, Thank you for

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Speaker 3: running us through. That's Greg Barton, Deakin University professor.

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Speaker 1: Together due for Cee Allen.

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Speaker 3: So the government's made the call to opt out of

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Speaker 3: propose new infant formula rules. Now these rules would have

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Speaker 3: led to the labels being removed from the infant formula tins,

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Speaker 3: some being taken off the supermarket shelves, altogether sold only

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Speaker 3: at pharmacies, doctors, nutritionist and so on. Two weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: Ossie ministers overruled New Zealand and voted to adopt the rules.

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Speaker 3: Cabinet has today decided to ditch the standards and develop

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Speaker 3: our own. Andrew Hogad is the Food Safety Minister.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Andrew, hi hever, how are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Are you going to get You're going to

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Speaker 3: get in trouble with the OSSI's for this.

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Speaker 20: I don't think so. I made it fairly clear in

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Speaker 20: the meeting that I mean, it's in the communicate from

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Speaker 20: the meeting that New Zealand would be considering its options

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Speaker 20: in regards to opting out. So they were pretty well

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Speaker 20: clear as to where we stood. And you know, we've

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Speaker 20: considered and this is our answer.

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Speaker 3: When we opt out, are we opting out of the

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Speaker 3: whole code or just this particular part.

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Speaker 20: Just well, we're opting out of this standard on infant

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Speaker 20: formula and saying that, as I mentioned last time, was

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Speaker 20: on you know, ninety nine percent of it is pretty

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Speaker 20: damn good. So in creating a new New Zealand standard,

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Speaker 20: we would be using all of that good stuff and

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Speaker 20: just where you know it's going to have an impact

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Speaker 20: on our exporters in the Chinese market, we would be

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Speaker 20: looking to have those that modification that works for us.

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Speaker 3: What is the impact on our exporters in the Chinese market?

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Speaker 20: H Well, I mean they've basically said that at the moment,

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Speaker 20: the two main companies involved A known in A two

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Speaker 20: that they're at a pretty competitive disadvantage to European companies

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Speaker 20: that are able to put a list of ingredients on

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Speaker 20: their tins. A two in particular was pretty concerned that

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Speaker 20: they couldn't advertise the fact on the front of the

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Speaker 20: tin that has made with the A two routing as

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Speaker 20: in the name and yes, so that they were and

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Speaker 20: they've shown the data over the last year how they've

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Speaker 20: been slipping in sales to particularly products from Europe. So

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Speaker 20: that puts us on a bit of an unleveled playing field,

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Speaker 20: or even more of an unleveled playing field with European providers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now things should improve, But in terms of

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Speaker 3: us being able to then send infant formula over to Australia,

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Speaker 3: This will create a wrinkle, won't it.

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Speaker 20: There will be a wrinkle, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 20: something that can't be worked through.

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Speaker 3: It is our market of infant formula to Aussie.

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Speaker 20: This is it's around one hundred fifty to three I

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Speaker 20: can't remember the exact number, but it's not as big

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Speaker 20: as the.

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Speaker 3: Saying no, of course not. But are you saying one

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Speaker 3: fifty to three hundred million?

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Speaker 20: I think it's one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 3: That's massive, Okay, yeah, but there is.

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Speaker 20: Ways around so we can basically, you know, all that's

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Speaker 20: required is they relabel it for Australian market.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, are you sure like they're not going to have

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Speaker 3: to do a different run for the Aussies.

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Speaker 1: It's just literally labeled from the same.

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Speaker 20: Where we're focusing on the labeling the composition. Our intention

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Speaker 20: is to be the competition. The composition sorry to be

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Speaker 20: exactly the same, so there won't be an issue there are.

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Speaker 3: The AUSSI is going to be decent about this because

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Speaker 3: they haven't been Like I mean, you went into that

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Speaker 3: meeting thinking you could get a review. They obviously were

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Speaker 3: not even up for being decent about that. Are they

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Speaker 3: going to be decent? About this.

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Speaker 20: Look, there wasn't any mossity in the meeting, and I

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Speaker 20: mean to be fair for them, you know, they were

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Speaker 20: of the attitude that we've been working on this for

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Speaker 20: eleven years. The report says everything's fine, and they were

871
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Speaker 20: wanting to move on with it, whereas I was quite

872
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 20: concerned with the uncertainty. But there wasn't any animosity, So

873
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 20: I don't see any reason why there should be any

874
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Speaker 20: animosity going forward.

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Speaker 3: Good, Hey, Andrew, thank you so much for your time.

876
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hoggard, Food Safety Minister, just had a text come

877
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: in saying here the Franklin's Public Plumbing today has gone

878
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: into receivership, eight branches across the North Island. How much

879
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: worse can this get? Because the building sector is already

880
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: on its knees. This is the case. I just had

881
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: a look on the website. Franklin's has been placed into liquidation.

882
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: All branches closed until further notice. All inquiries should be

883
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: addressed to the liquidators, and so on and so forth.

884
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: So that you go another one that you've got used

885
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: to having around for a very long time. Economy has

886
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: taken it down fourteen past five. Hey, now here's something

887
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: pretty special and in all honesty, it's probably going to

888
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: be one of the most jaw drop Central Otago Pino

889
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: no ideals are going to come across. It's available exclusively

890
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: at the Good Wine co. The wine is being sold

891
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: as the mystery premium Central Otago Pino No twenty eighteen.

892
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: Now the name of the Gibson Valley producer has to

893
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: be kept under wrapped. But due to tough economic conditions

894
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: and a slow down in export and premium while says

895
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: while Wine sales, they've relabeled and they've repackaged stocks of

896
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 3: their premium label Pino NOI that sells for much more,

897
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: and this wine is being urgently sold in an absurd

898
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: Get this fifteen ninety nine per bottle. Honestly, it's not

899
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: a mistake. This is Central Otago pino of quality you'd

900
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: never normally dream of picking up for fifteen ninety nine.

901
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent Gibson fruit, no finding or filtration,

902
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: twenty percent whole cluster fermentation, eleven months aging in twenty

903
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: five percent expense of new French oak. Basically, what I'm

904
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: telling you is you're getting a lot of pino for

905
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: your money here. It's a rich, luscious silky central Pino

906
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: that is quite honestly unbelievable buying for fifteen ninety nine.

907
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: And if you order right now, you're just gonna pay

908
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: a dollar perque's delivery to your door anywhere in New Zealand.

909
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: Conditions apply. So Premium central Otago Pinot for fifteen ninety nine,

910
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: completely mad, order online right now at the good Wine

911
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: dot cod on his ze will call eight hundred double

912
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: six two double six two. Ever do for see Ellen's

913
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: eighteen past five. Now we have entered the second week

914
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: of the trial of Philip Pulkinghorn, who's accused of murdering

915
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: his wife, Pauline Hannah. He's adamant that she took her

916
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: own life. Chelsea Daniels has been covering the trial for US.

917
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: She's with us. Now, hey, Chelsea, what was this morning's evidence?

918
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 21: Well?

919
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 16: Day six began with a cross examination of ASR forensic

920
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 16: scientist Fiona Matheson, who started her testimony actually last Friday.

921
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 16: This cross examination is a chance for the defense to

922
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 16: question the crown witness. Our defense lawyer Ron Mansfield's point

923
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 16: this morning was that there was a lack of bodily fluids,

924
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 16: hairs or blood spatter on the carpet in her room

925
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Speaker 16: or en route to where her body was found?

926
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Speaker 22: Was there any blood other than that identified?

927
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 23: See, only blood identified in this room was that that

928
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 23: we've just talked about on the sheet. The examinations of

929
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 23: the room included a luminal examination and no blood was

930
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 23: detected on any of the flooring surfaces.

931
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Speaker 22: So noseplader, no smears, no drips, nothing, no blood was detected.

932
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Speaker 16: Now a brown stain that we just heard there, we

933
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Speaker 16: learned about that last week on the fitted sheet of

934
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Speaker 16: the bed where Hannah had slept the night before she

935
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Speaker 16: was found to have been It was found to have

936
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Speaker 16: been polking horns and ESR didn't know how long it

937
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Speaker 16: had been there. There was no damage in the bedroom

938
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Speaker 16: or on that route where the body may have been

939
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Speaker 16: taken downstairs to where she was found.

940
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Speaker 3: What have we here in the afternoon, So this.

941
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Speaker 16: Afternoon's evidence centered around a dressing gown Hannah was wearing

942
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 16: when she died. It was white, made of terry toweling

943
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 16: and one size fits all. It was stained yellow from urine,

944
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 16: possibly which it looks like, which isn't unusual given just

945
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Speaker 16: before death or just after a body's muscles relax and

946
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Speaker 16: bodily fluids can be discharged.

947
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Speaker 3: So a court saw.

948
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Speaker 16: The court saw the photo of the gown where it

949
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 16: appears urine heavily stained across the back and the bottom

950
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Speaker 16: of the rope. Mansfield said, if someone was lying on

951
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 16: the ground when the urine was released, then the urine

952
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 16: would go between their legs and perhaps further up the

953
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 16: dressing gown. If someone was seated in a chair at

954
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Speaker 16: the time of death, then it would go down through

955
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Speaker 16: their legs onto the seat, moving down the garment.

956
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 22: But here, if we look at the photograph, it appears

957
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 22: at the urine staining. If we look at the belt,

958
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 22: is underneath the belt down to the very bottom of

959
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 22: the robe.

960
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 23: Correct, Yes, there is yellow staining on see what would

961
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Speaker 23: be miss Hannah's left side, towards the base of that front,

962
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 23: and then on her right side there is extensive yellow

963
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 23: staining covering the bulk of that lower side of the

964
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Speaker 23: dressing gown.

965
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Speaker 16: You'll remember last week Mansfield mentioned that Polkinghorn had already

966
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Speaker 16: told police that he had found Hannah was sitting in

967
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Speaker 16: a chair when he found her with a ligature around

968
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Speaker 16: her neck. Mathison said, if Hannah died was sitting on

969
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 16: a chair when she died and urinated, you would expect

970
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 16: the chair would also be stained with urine, but the

971
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Speaker 16: seat of the chair was not swabbed for urine because

972
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Speaker 16: ESR doesn't have a chemical test whether or not urine

973
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Speaker 16: is present on an item.

974
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Speaker 3: Chelsea, thank you very much, really appreciate you doing that

975
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: for us. That's Chelsea Daniel's reporter who's been sitting through

976
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: the case. And also you can catch Chelsea's full rap

977
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: on her podcast on this case. It's called Accused, the

978
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: polking Horn trial. You would have heard what John Key

979
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: had to say this morning about turning down the level

980
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: on race relations. David Seaman was going to have a

981
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: chat to us about what he thinks about is basically

982
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 3: in respond in around about seventeen minutes. It's five. In fact,

983
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: I've got something to say on it. Next five two.

984
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need

985
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: Heather Duples c Allen Drive with One New Zealand let's

986
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

987
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: Right on John Key's comments in the last day or

988
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: so about taking down the temperature on race relations, I

989
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 3: mean I largely agree with him, right. I think everybody

990
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: needs to tone this stuff right down on what they

991
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: say about race relations at the moment, because as we know,

992
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: race relations is really inflammatory, it really upsets people. And

993
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: when I say that I agree with him, I'm looking

994
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: at the Maori Party predominantly right now, because from what

995
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: I can see, no one else in parliamentary politics is

996
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: as reckless and inflammatory as these guys are. I mean

997
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: they're using words like genocide, are telling people when they

998
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: think that the people are not maldy enough, how offensive,

999
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 3: and they're using images of handguns and their social media.

1000
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they are the ones who are whipping this

1001
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: up the most. So when we say turn down the

1002
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: retric tone it down, it's really them who need to

1003
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: be doing it the most. But where I part with

1004
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: John Key is the sense that I don't think he

1005
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: just means that we should take down the temperature what

1006
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: is said. I think he also is saying we need

1007
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: to take down the temperature on what is done. I mean,

1008
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: he's openly critical of the Treaty Principle's Bill, and I

1009
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: get the sense from him that he's also advocating basically

1010
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: for the government to start pulling back on what it's

1011
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: doing in this space as well, to take down the

1012
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: temperature and I could not disagree with him more. This

1013
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: stuff needs to be done. I mean sometimes you have

1014
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 3: to do stuff that is uncomfortable, right, This stuff needs

1015
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: to be done Maori wards on councils without democratic process

1016
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: around that it actually to avoid democratic process, Let's be

1017
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: honest about it. Is a bad idea that needs to

1018
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: be removed. Section seven AA in the oldong Atomitiki Bill

1019
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 3: is basically a treaty principle which needs to be removed

1020
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: from the law because otherwise we will continue to see

1021
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: little Maori kids being removed from stable, loving homes just

1022
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: because their foster parents are party heart the wrong ethnicity.

1023
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: I find that offensive and also really upsetting for the children.

1024
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 3: The Marine and Coastal Areas Act needs to be amended

1025
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: to force judges to do what the law says, because

1026
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: you can't have judges doing the opposite of the laws,

1027
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: what the law says, just because they prefer it that way.

1028
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a long list of stuff that

1029
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: just has to be done, and you can't not do

1030
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: this stuff because some people want to shout it down.

1031
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: If you end up doing that, right, if you end

1032
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: up letting them shout it down, all that you end

1033
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: up doing is doing nothing, and then you tell the

1034
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: shouters that you know they will win. If they want

1035
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: to shut something down in the future, just shout out

1036
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: some violent things and will stop doing it now. I

1037
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: don't blame John Keith for taking this approach, because this

1038
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: is the approach that he took in government. Right For

1039
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: all of his success with the economy and the finances there,

1040
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: and there were many successes there, he wasn't very bold

1041
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: when it came to awkward stuff like race relations. I

1042
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: mean race relations. I get the feeling he actually tried

1043
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: to actively avoid it because ecky things like that cost

1044
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: political capital and he would much rather just be in government.

1045
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: Luckily for him, he was the Prime Minister at a

1046
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: time when he could afford to do that. He came

1047
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: before Jasinda Arderne, not after Jacinda Ardurn and all the

1048
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: trouble that her government created. It's a different time now.

1049
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: It calls for boldness. Sure, I would like everyone to

1050
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 3: be careful in the language they use, but I don't

1051
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: want them to cower from a job that needs to

1052
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: be done.

1053
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: Heather Do for THEE was going to.

1054
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: Be with us on that very shortly, and also by

1055
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: the way the huddle because the BBC rea Hugh Edwards

1056
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: pleaded guilty to making those those images of children last

1057
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: week yuck. Well, the BBC has now started to remove

1058
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: all the stuff of him in the archives. We're going

1059
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: to talk to the huddle about whether this is do

1060
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: you just to raise history if it suits you? Is

1061
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: that the best approach is headlines next.

1062
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: Season on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

1063
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: in your car on your drive home. Hither dup to

1064
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: see Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

1065
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: And news talk because that'd be.

1066
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 12: When you're playing he's drinking now you thank him down

1067
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 12: me when you're riding where he's driving.

1068
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Speaker 5: No, you has a mist Hud.

1069
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: I'm standing by this evening. We've got Joseph Beganey rephrase

1070
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: that we're blessed with Joseph Ganey and Chris Shurson, the

1071
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: a class lady huddlers that we have. On a Monday,

1072
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: after six o'clock, we're going to talk to Nichola Willis

1073
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: about what's going on with Key Bank, exactly what her

1074
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: plans are because at the stage it's not really clear, right,

1075
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: are we talking about just a big investor coming in

1076
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: and taking a chunk like the Superfund or are we

1077
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: talking about partially floating it on the INSIDEX try to

1078
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: get a little bit out of her. And also Shane

1079
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Speaker 3: Solly's going to talk to us. I'll run you through

1080
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Speaker 3: what he's got for us this evening. Right now, it's

1081
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Speaker 3: twenty four away from six Now, Sir John Key is

1082
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 3: calling for the temperature to be turned down on race

1083
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Speaker 3: relations in this country. He believes that the Treaty Principal's

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Speaker 3: Bill is not going to work and it's wound people up.

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Speaker 3: The bill, of course, has been championed by the ACT

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Speaker 3: Party and the leader David Seymour is with us. Now,

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Speaker 3: Hey David, Hey, did you hear John Key this morning?

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Speaker 23: Oh?

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Speaker 24: I did?

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Speaker 25: I did?

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Speaker 14: And I was immediately transported back to twenty sixteen, when

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Speaker 14: the biggest issues in New Zealand were should we turn

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Speaker 14: our flag into a tee tail? And can John Key

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Speaker 14: get too and us from China to live at Wellington Do?

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Speaker 14: And they were much happier in simple times, which is

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Speaker 14: why I have fond memories of John. I like Don

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Speaker 14: because it's pretty much impossible not too. And I even

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Speaker 14: play charity golf for them every year. But I think

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Speaker 14: we've also got to be honest with ourselves while they

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Speaker 14: were happier and so the times, many of the problems

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Speaker 14: the government is facing today we're accumulating. And part of

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Speaker 14: the reason that the people have elected a different government,

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Speaker 14: this time a coalition, as they know that some of

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Speaker 14: these problems actually need to be openly and honestly discussed.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with him? I mean, I think few

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Speaker 3: of us would agree, but do you agree? Would would disagree?

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with him that the temperature needs to

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Speaker 3: be taken down on the race relations stuff at the moment?

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Speaker 14: Well, I certainly object to some of the rhetoric that

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Speaker 14: were even just in recent weeks, particularly about my colleague

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Speaker 14: Karen Suler. I don't think it's ever acceptable to say

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Speaker 14: that somebody you know is not the type of person

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Speaker 14: for their race or vice versa. It's certainly not acceptable

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Speaker 14: for some journalists to ask the question, maybe users that

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Speaker 14: because of your policies. I would like to think though,

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Speaker 14: that the way that has done the debate about the treaty,

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Speaker 14: we've said, look, this is about what does our founding

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Speaker 14: document rarely mean? How can we ensure that it creates

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Speaker 14: a modern, multi ethnic liberal democratic society with a place

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Speaker 14: for all. And actually the way that the Treaty has

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Speaker 14: been interpreted over the last thirty or forty years by

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Speaker 14: the courts and the White time U Tribunal on the

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Speaker 14: Public Service is incompatible with that vision of a liberal

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Speaker 14: democratic society because it says we're all in a partnership

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Speaker 14: between races, and therefore our place in society must depend

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Speaker 14: on our race. There's no successful society like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, his argument about the Treaty Principle's bill is that

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Speaker 3: it's bad policy because we'd be writing down what the

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Speaker 3: principles are, and he compares it to the Constitution of

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Speaker 3: the States, where you know, it may seem like a

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Speaker 3: great idea to write that principle down now, but in

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Speaker 3: a few hundreds for a few hundred years time, you

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Speaker 3: don't need a gun to defend you against a grizzly bear,

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Speaker 3: and the principle that we write down now may also

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Speaker 3: be kind of incompatible with that time. What do you

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Speaker 3: say to that.

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Speaker 14: I heard that there was sort of the Davy Crockett

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Speaker 14: diversion and as very entertaining interview. So good on them,

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Speaker 14: and it's we're lucky that we don't have any dangerous

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Speaker 14: grizzly there's here in New Zealand. But to retturnd to

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Speaker 14: the substance of it, actually that the treaty has been

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Speaker 14: or at least six principles have been defined by all

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Speaker 14: those other groups, the thoughts, the Tribunal, by the public service,

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Speaker 14: by academics. The only people who haven't really had to

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Speaker 14: say is New Zealand is in general and the Treaty

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Speaker 14: principal spell. It's not about changing the treaty. It's about

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Speaker 14: saying these principles. They should reflect what the treaty itself said.

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Speaker 14: And if people disagree in two hundred years time, just

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Speaker 14: like America has changed since it's founding, then you know what,

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Speaker 14: I'm sure at some point in the next two hundred

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Speaker 14: years people can continue to have the debate. It's a

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Speaker 14: living document. My contribution to it through the Treaty principal spell,

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Speaker 14: as I believe that we actually need an open debate

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Speaker 14: for all people, not one that's played out behind closed

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Speaker 14: doors and the court, in the academic saloons and the

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Speaker 14: public service departments, because actually they've come up with something

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Speaker 14: that says your rights in New Zealand to be consulted

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Speaker 14: or sort of on the board or whatever, depend on

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Speaker 14: who your ancestors.

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Speaker 25: So perhaps not talk.

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Speaker 3: How's it going with Luxeanon because Luckxon has got the

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Speaker 3: ear of John Key. If John Key's saying the stuff publicly,

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Speaker 3: he's saying it privately to the Prime Minister. Are you

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Speaker 3: having difficulty getting the stuff across the line?

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Speaker 14: No, because what I found with Chris is that while

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Speaker 14: he does have a type relationship and I think he's

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Speaker 14: got a lot of admiration for John, he is his

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Speaker 14: own man and he is very cognizant of the reality

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Speaker 14: of equipment is that you know, it's a three way

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Speaker 14: coalition and therefore we actually need to keep our promises

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Speaker 14: to each other. There are things that National would like

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Speaker 14: Act to do, and Acts would like New Zealand First

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Speaker 14: to do, and New Zealand First would like National to do.

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Speaker 14: So you know, it is a three way coalition, maybe

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Speaker 14: not the three way that we all dreamed of, but

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Speaker 14: it's the one that we're in and therefore, you know,

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Speaker 14: we have to actually make it worth. One of those

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Speaker 14: commitments that is essential as getting that Treated Principles Bill

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Speaker 14: up into Parliament, debating properly through first reason, and you

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Speaker 14: just never know it might be a little bit more

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Speaker 14: popular than our partners believe that might further than they

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Speaker 14: thought it may well.

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Speaker 3: Do, David, thank you very much, David, David Seymour, act

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Speaker 3: party leader. I'm going to have to recover after that

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Speaker 3: three way coming eighteen away from six the Huddle.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening. Tris herson of

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Speaker 3: Shehrson Willis and Joe SPEGANI the CEO of Child Fund,

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Speaker 3: Hello you too.

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Speaker 9: Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever dreamed of a three way trush?

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Speaker 26: Like?

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Speaker 3: If that, what was the three way that you dreamed of?

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 26: There's a lot.

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Speaker 21: There is a lot to unpack in the kind of

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Speaker 21: three way that David Seima would be dreaming of.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot to pack in there, Jose, this.

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Speaker 9: Whole this whole section though, he do. I have to say,

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Speaker 9: you've been talking about Willy's, started the show with Willy's

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Speaker 9: on air, and now we're talking about a three way

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Speaker 9: and I'm just feeling I'm not feeling very safe.

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Speaker 3: It's penned up. I've been away for a week, so

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Speaker 3: it's pened up. I need to get all this stuff

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Speaker 3: out and don't worry tomorrow I'll be a save zone

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Speaker 3: again because it will be all out. JOSEI, how do

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Speaker 3: you feel about partially privatizing Keiwibank.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I was part of the creation of

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Speaker 9: key We Bank, and one thing that people don't realize

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Speaker 9: it was never set up to be like the Australian

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Speaker 9: banks in the sense that it wasn't set up to

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Speaker 9: have their massive profits. So that's all. The fact that

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Speaker 9: it does need more capital, that's right, and it hasn't

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Speaker 9: made the same sort of profits as the Australian banks

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Speaker 9: is actually a sign of its success. So it does

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Speaker 9: lack capital, and I'm really pleased that National is kind

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Speaker 9: of going actually, we need more competition in the banking

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Speaker 9: sector and Keiwibank's part of that, because I think it is,

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Speaker 9: and I think probably the best way to deal with

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Speaker 9: this is not so much to privatize it or floater

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Speaker 9: on the stop market or whatever. It's actually to maybe

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Speaker 9: sell off the mortgage bit of the bank and there

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Speaker 9: will be key We Savor or you know, funds that

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Speaker 9: would be very happy to buy bit of Kiwibank and

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Speaker 9: then just focus on QI bank as a transactional bank

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Speaker 9: that can make loans to businesses, to people and so on.

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Speaker 9: But but you know, remove the mortgage side of it,

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Speaker 9: and that way it would have capital and it would

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Speaker 9: and we would you be supporting qw WE bank to

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Speaker 9: be competitive compared to all Australian banks. So I think

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Speaker 9: it's a really good idea that we look at how

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Speaker 9: we get more capital.

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Speaker 25: Into q WE banks.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to set privatized though I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it being privatized, do

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Speaker 3: you trash.

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Speaker 21: I don't have any partially any problem with that whatsoever.

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Speaker 21: And we've done it successfully in the in the past.

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Speaker 21: Uh And but I also think that you know, once

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Speaker 21: again we're sort of coming back to a backward looking

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Speaker 21: debate around competition. If you look at the banking sector

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Speaker 21: in the UK, the real competition has come from true

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Speaker 21: disruptive banks, banks that don't go they don't go around

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Speaker 21: investing in bricks and mortar. You do everything that you

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Speaker 21: want online and that's the way that they're able to

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Speaker 21: offer cheaper fees and you know, better services and really

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Speaker 21: boost competition. So yes, I mean, I think the time

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Speaker 21: has come probably for doing something with Kiwibank. But I

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Speaker 21: also think that you know, it's going to be a

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Speaker 21: different future state and probably those markets like the UK

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Speaker 21: where we look.

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Speaker 9: Can I say, though, I totally agree with you that

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Speaker 9: the problem is competition in you look at the big

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Speaker 9: sectors like banking, supermarkets, even car parks for example, you

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Speaker 9: know they're the ones that lack innovation because they lack competition.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, you're.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely right, we need to enforce you know, open payment platforms,

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Speaker 9: open banking and so on. I just think with Kiwibank,

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Speaker 9: if you go down the privatization road, we did that

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Speaker 9: before and we ended up with our banks owned by Australia.

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Speaker 3: Or you can only can self like you could you

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Speaker 3: could you could still retain a majority share, right fifty

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Speaker 3: one percent or more?

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Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, that's right. But I think an even better idea,

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Speaker 9: which is a kind of privatization you like, but sell

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Speaker 9: the mortgage side of it, keep the banks that keep

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Speaker 9: Kiwibank in public ownership. That way, you get the benefits

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Speaker 9: of not having yet another overseas own bank, and you

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Speaker 9: get to sell a bit that you want to sell,

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Speaker 9: which is the mortgage side of it, which we don't

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Speaker 9: QUI bank doesn't really need and you get more competition,

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Speaker 9: So there are other ways to do.

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Speaker 21: It, all right, Yeah, And well I also think across

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Speaker 21: this whole thing, we have to be a bit realistic

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Speaker 21: about New Zealand. And we bandy around words like innovation,

1277
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Speaker 21: but actually a lot of our big companies are doing

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Speaker 21: really well in that space, and we've got to be realistic.

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Speaker 3: We are a market.

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Speaker 21: Of five million people in a long, skinny country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. That's a very very good point. Actually, we'll

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Speaker 3: come back to these two and just to take Trishus

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Speaker 3: and jose BEGANI a huddle this evening.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 2: and results.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the huddle, Trishus and Josephigani. Now, Trash,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think John Key is right that we

1288
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Speaker 3: need to take the temperature down rhetoric wise, but doesn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily follow that we also then, and when I say

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Speaker 3: we had just been the country, the government government also

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Speaker 3: then needs to stop doing the hard stuff.

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Speaker 21: What do you think, Well, I think we're lumping quite

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Speaker 21: a few things in together. Number one, you know my

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Speaker 21: views on the treaty principles bill. I'm not a supporter

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Speaker 21: of it, and my view on this has always been that,

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Speaker 21: you know, the thought might be we can have this

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Speaker 21: high academic argument around it, but we will end up

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Speaker 21: where we are now, where it is actually I think

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Speaker 21: very damaging overall. And I don't agree with this thought

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Speaker 21: that because Maori get something, get something, we all lose

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Speaker 21: out and so I've always worried about the intent behind

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Speaker 21: the bill. I think there are different things at play

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Speaker 21: though that you're talking about in terms of some of

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Speaker 21: the some of the things in legislation that have probably

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Speaker 21: gone too far or aren't based in common sense. So

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Speaker 21: that's quite a different point. I do totally agree with

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Speaker 21: John Key, though, and I think there's a message to

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Speaker 21: politicians on all sides agree with you around to party Marii.

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Speaker 21: But at the moment, words really matter, and we take

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Speaker 21: it for granted in New Zealand that it's all going

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Speaker 21: to be, you know, rainbows and unicorns all the time,

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Speaker 21: and we're like any other country in the world where

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Speaker 21: that can tip very very quickly.

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Speaker 9: What do you reckon, Josie, Yeah, I think John Key's right,

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Speaker 9: we absolutely do need to take the heat down, and

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Speaker 9: you're right to party Mary have been winding this up, yes,

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Speaker 9: I mean, but what they're trying to do poliitically is

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Speaker 9: they don't need the support of most New Zealanders. They're

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Speaker 9: just trying to peel off really angry people who happen

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Speaker 9: to be Mary as well, who are really angry with

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Speaker 9: that they've been left behind by the system and so on.

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Speaker 9: So when they use words like white supremacist, genocide, extermination,

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Speaker 9: that the strategy there, like any fringe party that's trying

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Speaker 9: to peel off a bunch of people on the fringes

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Speaker 9: of the mainstream of politics, and that's all they need.

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Speaker 9: So they need to stop doing that, and the incentive

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Speaker 9: needs to be removed for them to do that. But

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Speaker 9: also I think for New Zealand person ACT and particularly ACT,

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Speaker 9: they need to work out where they can find some

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Speaker 9: common ground the only way we're going to go forward.

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Speaker 9: And I think ACT was the party of Donna OWATIV

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Speaker 9: don't remember, don't forget who joined ACT party because they

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Speaker 9: believed in devolution of services and Mary running services for

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Speaker 9: Mary by Marty, like charter schools, like you know, health

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Speaker 9: provision where it's where it's run by Marty. So actually

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Speaker 9: I think there is some common ground where act and

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Speaker 9: to party Mary can find some common principles they agree with.

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Speaker 9: But Trish, you're absolutely right. We do not need yet

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Speaker 9: another treaty on top of another treaty on top of something.

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Speaker 9: We just need to deal with the one we've got

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Speaker 9: and work out how we're going to balance democracy with

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Speaker 9: the obligations property rights and obligations under the treaty. And

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Speaker 9: we can do it. We just need to talk about

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Speaker 9: it using nice language, not attacking each.

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Speaker 3: Other language, which is a good idea. Hey, listen, I

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Speaker 3: haven't got long, but I want to know what you

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Speaker 3: guys think. Trish, do you think the BBC should go

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Speaker 3: through and remove all the Hugh Edwards archival footage? Well,

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Speaker 3: is a creep.

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Speaker 21: How are you going to do that without completely erasing

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Speaker 21: history given that he has been a front and center

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Speaker 21: presenting some of the most historical moment, including recently the

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Speaker 21: death of the Queen. I am absolutely opposed to this

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Speaker 21: idea that you can erase history because you don't like

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Speaker 21: something that's happened. Happened now totally disagree that we've seen

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Speaker 21: it happen to books and movies and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 21: But in this case, what on Earth is the BBC

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Speaker 21: then going to use when they need to go into

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Speaker 21: the archives and look back and go here's how we

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Speaker 21: documented our key moments in history.

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Speaker 9: What do you reckon, Josie, Yeah, totally agree. There's a

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Speaker 9: difference between running reruns of a Jimmy Savile show Jim

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Speaker 9: Will Fix It, which I grew up with in England

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Speaker 9: and ros Parrish shows. Yep, we don't need to see that,

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Speaker 9: but we do need a public record and unfortunately you

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Speaker 9: know you was the front man for that, so make

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Speaker 9: a difference in different different things.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree, guys, Thank you so much. Josephiganney, the CEO

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Speaker 3: of child Van Treuscherson of Cherson Willis. It's seven away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy Allen drive

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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand one giant Leap for Business News

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Speaker 2: talk as.

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Speaker 3: That be Hey, five away from six. There are warning

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Speaker 3: bells about aucas again and they are coming from I mean,

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Speaker 3: you won't be surprised for me to hear me say

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Speaker 3: that they're coming again from the usual suspects, which is

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark and Don Brash. Obviously former Prime Minister Helen Clark,

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Speaker 3: former Reserve Bank Governor Don Brash, who have been pretty

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Speaker 3: outspoken critics of UCUS up to this point. They are

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Speaker 3: ramping up there. And look, they're entitled, absolutely entitled to

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Speaker 3: be opposed to August. They're ramping up their opposition. They've

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Speaker 3: brought an Australian strategy expert, Hugh White to New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: who's here right now. Is written a book that lays

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Speaker 3: out the case against AUCUST. It's called Sleepwalk to War,

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Speaker 3: and that's basically the central thesis of his book is

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Speaker 3: that if we continue to sign up to UCUST and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, we're basically just going to end up

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Speaker 3: provoking war. He's going to be with us after half

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Speaker 3: past six, so stay tuned for that. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat about what I mean, really, are we going to

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Speaker 3: provoke war like little old New Zealand signing up to August,

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Speaker 3: or is the fact that China wants to take Taiwan

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Speaker 3: more likely to provoke war. We'll talk to him about that.

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Speaker 3: Got some positive stuff for you, because I mean, jeez,

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Speaker 3: we need it on the economic front, don't we. So

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Speaker 3: apparently there are some good news in the housing market

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Speaker 3: in Auckland about how things are going economically. Barfoot and

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Speaker 3: Thompson have put out some figures today. They reckon a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of buyers have got into the Auckland residential

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Speaker 3: housing market just in the last month, just in July,

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Speaker 3: because they're feeling really confident now that interest rates have peaked.

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Speaker 3: So Barft and Thompson themselves the biggest player in the

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Speaker 3: Auckland housing market. They sold nine hundred and two houses

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Speaker 3: last month just in July. That's nearly a third more

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Speaker 3: than they sold in June, which is material because July

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Speaker 3: is usually the slowest month of the year, so even

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Speaker 3: though it's the slowest mon it's actually up on the

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Speaker 3: month before. It's a quarter higher than July last year.

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Speaker 3: They reckon that. Apparently, if you have a look at

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Speaker 3: the last seven years, take out twenty twenty two and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, which is when we remember we're pretty

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Speaker 3: pretty crazy about the housing market then, and they we're

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Speaker 3: like like, buy a house, buy a house. Everybody went

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Speaker 3: a bit psycho and had fomo. If you take out

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Speaker 3: twenty two and twenty one, then this is the busiest

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Speaker 3: July for them in the last seven years. Which is

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Speaker 3: pretty good news. So if you're feeling like, oh you

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Speaker 3: need to sell your house, maybe you want to upgrade. Yay,

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Speaker 3: things have turned around. How good is that? Nikola Willis.

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Speaker 26: Next, we're Business Insight the Business Hour.

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Speaker 1: We're here to due to c Ellen and my hr

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Speaker 1: on newstogsb.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up with the next hour, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: have a chat to Sean Soley on the supermarket, the

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Speaker 3: share market rather volatility that we're seeing at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I've got a little update for you on that Hugh

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Speaker 3: White from Australia in studio with me on whether Orcus

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Speaker 3: will actually provoke war. I'm going to check in with

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Speaker 3: our UK correspondent on whether to expect more riots overnight.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up eight past six and with us right now,

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Speaker 3: we've got Nichola Willis the Finance Minister. Evening.

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Speaker 9: Nikola, good evening either.

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Speaker 3: So what's your preferred option for how are you going

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Speaker 3: to recapitalize Kiwibank?

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Speaker 9: Well, look, there are several options that we want to consider.

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Speaker 9: When I look at Kiwi Bank, I see an opportunity

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Speaker 9: to grow it so that it can take on the

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Speaker 9: Australian Bank, the Commerce Commission, who's been looking at banking

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Speaker 9: competition in New Zealand have said, yep, there's a pretty

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Speaker 9: cozyologotholy at the top there with the big four banks,

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Speaker 9: and Kiwibank is best place to be the maverick, the

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Speaker 9: disruptor who could take on those big four banks. But

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Speaker 9: that would require it to have more investment in it

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Speaker 9: in the future so it could grow. I don't need

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Speaker 9: to tell you there is a government. We don't have

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Speaker 9: huge amounts of spare cash sitting around, but you know what,

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Speaker 9: there are key we sab funds, there are ewe, here's

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Speaker 9: the super Fund, there's acc who are always looking for

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Speaker 9: good New Zealand based investments, and I say, let's have

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Speaker 9: a look there for.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider opening it up to mom and dad

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Speaker 3: investors on the share market.

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Speaker 9: I think that's something that we should consider and I'd

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Speaker 9: like to take advice on that option.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you were to sell it to the likes

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Speaker 3: of or sell part of it to the likes of

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Speaker 3: super Fund and so on, would you tie their hands

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Speaker 3: so that they were unable to on sell it to

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Speaker 3: foreign investors.

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Speaker 9: Well, just to be clear, in the first instance, I'm

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Speaker 9: not proposing actually to sell the government to share it,

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Speaker 9: or what I'm saying is let's stick with the money

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Speaker 9: the government already hasn't it, and add to that with

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Speaker 9: new capital, which is a slightly different thing, because this

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Speaker 9: isn't I'm not motivated here about trying to get cash

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Speaker 9: out of keep we back that. It's not what I

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Speaker 9: want to do. I want to grow it, So I

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Speaker 9: want other people to be able to put cash in it.

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Speaker 9: But the question you ask is a good one, which

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Speaker 9: is on what terms would a new investor want to

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Speaker 9: make that investment. And that's a something I need to

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Speaker 9: take more advice on and consider. And what I said

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Speaker 9: at the weekend was let's do that. Let's put that

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Speaker 9: on the table. Let's talk about what would be needed

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Speaker 9: to grow that little bank that could into something big

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Speaker 9: enough to take on the big goals.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that going to be terms acceptable to

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Speaker 3: the likes of the Super Fun Because isn't that actually

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Speaker 3: why they pulled out in the first place, and Grant

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Speaker 3: Robinson had to chuck two point one billion in to

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Speaker 3: cover them because they didn't want to be to have

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Speaker 3: their hands tied like that.

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Speaker 9: Look, I understand that those were some of the issues,

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Speaker 9: So I'm interested to look at what are the basis

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Speaker 9: on which people would want to invest, and maybe that

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Speaker 9: would be that that private market would consider investing if

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Speaker 9: they knew that there was going to be an initial

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Speaker 9: public offering to New Zealanders mums and dads down the line.

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Speaker 9: Let's have a look at what that scenario could be

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Speaker 9: for example. But the basic goal here is let's accelerate

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Speaker 9: the growth of Kiwi Rail. Make it so it's not

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Speaker 9: kiv rail, Q bank altho.

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Speaker 3: While you're at it, make it.

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Speaker 9: More disruptive and make it more disruptive to the Australian banks.

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Speaker 9: And for one really good reason, I want affordable, fair

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Speaker 9: banking services for New Zealanders and the evidence from the

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Speaker 9: Comments Commission is they're not getting as good a deal

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Speaker 9: as they should right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is when he going to be okay with this?

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Speaker 3: Because he's not been a big fan of getting private

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Speaker 3: money involved in public assets, is he?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 9: I'd be careful to say that Cabinet hasn't taken any

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Speaker 9: decisions on this, But what I flagged at the weekend

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Speaker 9: was I think this is something we should be thinking about.

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Speaker 9: I'm gathering advice on it, and I haven't taken any

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 9: recommendations to cabinet yet, so I wouldn't get ahead and

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 9: stage wash Winston Peter's or indeed any of my other

1511
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 9: cabinet colleagues think about it yet. I think the first

1512
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 9: thing is to have the options on the table and

1513
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 9: consider the costs and benefits of each.

1514
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't have a product, Nicola. I don't reckon you'll

1515
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 3: have a problem because I heard he really likes you,

1516
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: so he probably listens to you.

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01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 9: Well, I really like him. I really like him too,

1518
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 9: because he contributes wisdom and he contributes reflected.

1519
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 3: This is the right approach to take with him, and

1520
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: then he'll just bend over. He'll say yes if you

1521
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 3: flatter him.

1522
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 21: Well.

1523
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,440
Speaker 9: I think the wonderful thing about a truly respectful relationship

1524
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 9: is you well understand is you don't necessarily always agree

1525
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 9: with each other. And that is going to be the

1526
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 9: case with me and Winston Peters from time to time.

1527
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 9: But this, I think is a proposal that could have legs.

1528
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 9: I want to explore it, see if it does, and

1529
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 9: then if it does, then that's an idea that I

1530
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 9: would bring to cabinet.

1531
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: Good stuff. Now, listen, Seawan Sweeney of the CRL and

1532
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: Auckland has given an exit interview saying that political spats

1533
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: are driving up the cost of infrastructure and that the

1534
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 3: way to bring down the cost is to stop political fights.

1535
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 3: Is that even possible? Could we do that?

1536
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 9: I think we could do more of that. You know,

1537
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 9: obviously there are going to be some projects which we

1538
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 9: have to agree to disagree on, and I think our government,

1539
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 9: for example, made the right decision saying we're not going

1540
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 9: a hue with light railroad.

1541
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 3: So you would though, but now the labor guys say

1542
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: that's the wrong decision. So how do you square that circle?

1543
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1544
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 9: I think the way we square it is let's look

1545
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 9: out over thirty years and think about all of the

1546
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 9: infrastructure we need to build across our transport system, our

1547
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 9: health system, education system. If we could agree on ninety

1548
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,919
Speaker 9: percent of that across the big party, that would provide

1549
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 9: massive certainty to the construction firms, investors and the like.

1550
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 9: And this is what Chris Biship, our Minister for Infrastructure,

1551
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 9: is going for. He is working to get together a

1552
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 9: thirty year infrastructure pipeline plan to provide some clarity over that.

1553
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 9: And to her credit, the Opposition finance spokesperson has indicated

1554
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 9: that the Labor Pudy is more interested in bipartisanship in

1555
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 9: that infrastructure planning space. So let's see what we can do.

1556
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but okay, that's fine. I mean, Barbara over at

1557
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: Labour seems like a reasonable bird. But what are you

1558
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 3: going to do about Julianne and the Greens? I mean,

1559
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: she doesn't even like a road right, How are you

1560
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: going to do that?

1561
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 9: Even though I'm not smart enough, the problems agree, I mean,

1562
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 9: tell me you're going to ask me to solve that

1563
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 9: one today?

1564
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 6: I mean that that's bigger issues.

1565
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 9: That's bigger issues. The two big part is to come

1566
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 9: to a content that'd be pretty powerful.

1567
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, listen, do you agree with John

1568
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 3: Key that the Treaty Principal's Bill is bad policy?

1569
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 9: Well, obviously we didn't campaign on it and we didn't

1570
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 9: support it. That's well known.

1571
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1572
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 9: Well you have a coalition agreement in which we said, yep,

1573
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 9: we'll put that to a Select Committee hearing. And that's

1574
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 9: the agreement. We've done with that, and so we're going

1575
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 9: to stick to that agreement.

1576
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: See more reckons that he might be able to change

1577
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 3: your mind though, if it proves to be actually a

1578
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: great idea and very popular can he?

1579
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 9: Oh well, he's ever the optimist, isn't he?

1580
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: Nicola, Thank you very much appreciated, Nichola Willis Finance Minister. Lord,

1581
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even want to try to talk about a

1582
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 3: rode with Julianne, would you. I mean, after the stunt

1583
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 3: that she pulled in the house, I think I'd be like,

1584
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: let me just set up my perspects glass here and

1585
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: like get on my safety equipment, you know, like full

1586
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 3: ppe to raise the subject of a road with Julianne

1587
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 3: just in case we get the full on rage and

1588
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 3: spittle flying and you know, books being waived in your face.

1589
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 3: So anyway, good luck to everybody trying to deal with that.

1590
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 3: This news just out Japan's Japan's Nikay has slumped more

1591
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 3: than ten percent closing today. This is the worst losses

1592
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 3: since nineteen eighty seven. This is an example of volatility

1593
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: that we're talking about in the markets at the moment

1594
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 3: because there's worries about the US economy potentially slipping into

1595
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: recession and so on. So Shane Solely from Harbor Asset

1596
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: Management's going to be with us before this half hour

1597
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 3: and through talk us through it. What's going on? Do

1598
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 3: we need to be scared. Do we need to sell

1599
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: up as well, or do we just need to keep

1600
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: calm and carry on. Quarter past six.

1601
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

1602
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1603
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on news talks EDB.

1604
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: It's eighteen pass six. I've got some bad news on

1605
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: the Olympics. Hayden Wild. So the the what is this

1606
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: thing called the tray on relay? Yeah, mixed relay. Sorry,

1607
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: the mixed relay got under way about eighteen minutes ago.

1608
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 3: Hayden Wild is unfortunately placed second to last. He's our guy,

1609
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 3: by the way. The reason he's second to last is

1610
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 3: because he had a crash and we're going around to

1611
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: heapin Bend just before they were you to jump off

1612
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 3: the bikes and start running, and he's going around a

1613
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 3: heapin Bend and he crashed into the Frenchman or the

1614
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: Frenchman crashed into him or something. The Frenchman's now last.

1615
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: Actually know they've switched positions. We're last again. That it's

1616
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 3: turning into that kind of an Olympics for us, isn't it.

1617
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 23: So?

1618
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, the difficulty is Hayden is probably what is the

1619
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: best of our triathletes, right, so the others are going

1620
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 3: to have a crack after him because it's a relay.

1621
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: But if he is already last, I'm not liking our

1622
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: chances in this one. I said to Ants just before,

1623
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: this is the worst Olympics of my life. He said,

1624
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: settle down, you are wrong. Which one was worse?

1625
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 24: Sydney we have one golden three bronzes. That was the entirety.

1626
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: That's pretty bad. That is actually really bad.

1627
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 24: I think I'm pretty sure Atlanta was fewer. Like we've

1628
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 24: I think we've we've gone on a steady upward trajectory

1629
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 24: basically the whole.

1630
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: All the time.

1631
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not the worst in my life. It's

1632
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 3: the worst in my thirties and twenties. So that's pretty bad.

1633
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 3: This is the worst of my adult life, isn't it? Anyway?

1634
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 24: Miss I thought we are on the show.

1635
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I've let it go. I've just let it go.

1636
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 3: I've just decided they are still doing better than me

1637
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 3: because I'm not an athlete anyway, I've got something, you

1638
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: know how Josie was telling me off before for just

1639
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: bringing a lot of smut into the show today, I've

1640
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 3: got more for you. It turns out like if you

1641
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 3: didn't think that gen Zs were weird already, they're the

1642
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 3: ones who've just started hitting the workplace. We're talking about

1643
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: the ones in their very early twenties, right, So the

1644
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: ones causing you all the trouble, who don't want to

1645
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 3: turn up to work, don't want to answer the phone,

1646
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 3: don't want to hit the emails. That one more problems

1647
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 3: with them. Apparently they love smutty books as well. This

1648
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: is a thing. It's not just limited to the gen zs, right,

1649
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 3: it's actually taking off just kind of a cross all

1650
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: age bands kicked off. Yeah, hard out, you need this music.

1651
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 3: It's going to make you feel gross at some stage.

1652
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: Kicked off with the publication of Fifty Shades of Gray

1653
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: back in twenty eleven, and that's when smutty books really

1654
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 3: took off, right, got turbo charged during the COVID pandemic

1655
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: because it was a tough time. People wanted to escape

1656
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 3: from reality. They didn't have a lot of love affairs

1657
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: while in lockdown, so they started reading about them on

1658
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: their books and they started posting it about it on

1659
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 3: TikTok and other social media and then other people were like, Oh,

1660
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 3: it's cool to read rubbish like that, so they started

1661
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 3: reading it. Print sales of romance novels have doubled from

1662
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: eighteen million to thirty six million just in three years.

1663
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 3: And that is despite the fact that other genre are

1664
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 3: actually going backwards. Right, So this is the one going

1665
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 3: forwards when the others are going backwards. What they're reading

1666
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 3: is not just a bit of Mills and Boone.

1667
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 20: Right.

1668
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 3: They are into fairy porn. Right, what's fairy porn? I

1669
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: know you're asking that because I also am normal like you,

1670
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 3: and I didn't know. Fairy porn is where normal people

1671
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 3: hook up with big blue aliens, gigantic cats that stand

1672
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 3: on their hind legs, monsters wear wolves, or shape shifters.

1673
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 3: I am not joking. There is a group called the

1674
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 3: Romance Writers of New Zealand. The president reckons that someone

1675
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 3: who are organizations, some members are making six figure annual incomes,

1676
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 3: like high six figure. I'm not talking about one hundred

1677
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 3: thous I'm talking about several hundred thous They're making several

1678
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars every year from writing these books.

1679
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: One is making a million bucks a year from writing

1680
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 3: this stuff, and apparently it's the gen z's who are

1681
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: heading at the hardest because they're not even ashamed. Like

1682
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: back in the day, you'd read your mills and boom

1683
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: and you sort of like hide it on the train

1684
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: or on the bus. You know, you'd hide it behind

1685
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: you go and get your dictionary cover and stick it

1686
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: on the front or something. Not these guys, they are

1687
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: just absolutely just just showing off, just hyping it on

1688
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: the social media. This is why they're all into it.

1689
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 3: So then you go, if you need another reason to

1690
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 3: think that the new generation is a bit wacky. There

1691
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 3: it is six twenty two, crunching.

1692
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due to

1693
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: see Helen with the Business.

1694
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: Hours thanks to my HR the HR platform for SME

1695
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: on newstalksb.

1696
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 3: Heither we are ELF worldwide or fifth per capital for

1697
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: the metal tally. I think Dave's telling me to settle down,

1698
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 3: and I agree with him. It's coming up five twenty

1699
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 3: five now. We've seen a lot of volatility on the

1700
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 3: rise across the share markets in the last few days.

1701
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 3: Shane Solly from Harbor Asset Management is with us to

1702
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 3: talk us through Hay Shane, Yeah, what's going on here?

1703
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 25: So yeah, it's a little bit of risk off. You know,

1704
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 25: last week we saw some week globe economic data and

1705
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 25: tip we start to worry about recession risk. And so

1706
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 25: Friday night we saw the US market down one point.

1707
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 25: Today we've seen the Japanese neck Laia, the main market

1708
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 25: down over twelve percent, biggest drop since nine out eighty seven.

1709
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,919
Speaker 25: Now that's had a bit of a hit for Australian

1710
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 25: market down three points. In New Zealand only down one

1711
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 25: and a half. It's all back to this week job

1712
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 25: data out of the US on Friday, Midias tensions really

1713
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 25: sort of bringing home the risk we've had bad economic

1714
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 25: growth activity has been good for capital markets recently because

1715
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 25: it's bought forward expectations of lower interest rates of central

1716
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 25: banks have looked it out. But now data, economic data

1717
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 25: is just becoming bad. So pretty tough, pretty tough times.

1718
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: So why is it that the Japanese shear market has

1719
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 3: been hit so hard?

1720
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 25: Yep, so, the until recently the jepeanus the market was

1721
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Speaker 25: probably one of the best perform their markets, and what

1722
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 25: we saw is recently against the trend, the Japanese Central

1723
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 25: Bank Bank in japant actually increased official rates, and that's

1724
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 25: contributed to a bit of a change in capital flows.

1725
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 25: It's hit financial. It is hard to a big bank

1726
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 25: and insurance component in that Japanese market. They've also got

1727
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 25: a big technology stock component in their market. Of course,

1728
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 25: this pullback we're seeing globally and tech stops. So certainly

1729
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 25: seeing as the pullback and that market's back almost twenty

1730
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 25: five percent since it's high, and they're living to July

1731
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 25: just less than a month ago. Twenty five percent pullback,

1732
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 25: which was actually out of interest. The last time that

1733
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 25: got that highways in nineteen eighty nine. It hasn't been

1734
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 25: that high since then.

1735
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: So do pullback, Shane, What are you expecting central banks

1736
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: to do to bomb?

1737
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,799
Speaker 25: Yeah, look, I think you know outside of the watchapping

1738
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 25: and capital markets is a growing concern at central banks,

1739
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 25: such is the US for the reserve and even our

1740
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 25: reserve banks have been too slow to act on this

1741
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 25: slowing economic activity. And certainly we've seen markets are starting

1742
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 25: to price and more cuts. So I look at where

1743
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 25: fixed and dress markets are. They're expecting three cups in

1744
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 25: the US befoward the end of the year. We've got

1745
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 25: to reserve big Australia come out next week, maybe they

1746
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 25: talk about cuts, maybe not. And then here in Zel

1747
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 25: we've got the market now pricing and pretty much one

1748
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 25: hundred percent certainty of a cut and interest rates here

1749
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 25: in his own next month of a quarter of a

1750
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 25: percent zero point two five percent and a whole two

1751
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 25: percent of cuts out to August next year, which takes

1752
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 25: the official cash right back to three and a half percent.

1753
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 25: So the market's really pricing in some big cuts.

1754
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: Shane, it's good to talk to you. Thanks for your expertise. Mate,

1755
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: talk to you next week, Shane, Sally Harbor Asset Management. Right,

1756
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 3: let's talk aucust and war. Next is top B, whether.

1757
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: It's macro, micro or just plain economics.

1758
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1759
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for sme US talk.

1760
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 26: Sid B stuff, work against your shirt breaks.

1761
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 3: I've got no good news to tell you about the

1762
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: mixed relay triathlon thing because unfortunately we can't even see

1763
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 3: the New Zealand participant. It's leag B. Now, this is

1764
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: where the ladies take over from the guys and we

1765
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 3: can't even see New Zealand in there. So the minute

1766
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: that we clap eyes on New Zealand. If New Zealand's

1767
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 3: still in the race, I'll give you a little update

1768
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 3: on how we're going on that. Probably not that good though,

1769
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: I would say you're going to go to the UK

1770
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 3: shortly and just find out what the outlook is for

1771
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 3: riots overnight after what happened last night, and right now

1772
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 3: it's the way that'll be about ten minutes. Right now,

1773
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: it's twenty five away from seven. Now there are yet

1774
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 3: again warning bells over Orcus and our potential involvement in it.

1775
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: Former Helen Clark, former Prome Minister Helen Clark, obviously former

1776
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank Governor Don Brash are both lobbying pretty hard

1777
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: against it. They've brought an Australian strategy expert, Hugh White

1778
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 3: to New Zealand's just written a book that lays out

1779
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: the case against August. It's called Sleepwalk to War. Let's

1780
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 3: talk to Q Are you.

1781
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: Hi?

1782
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 3: Do you think we're provoking a war?

1783
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 27: Well, I think we're in danger of promoting an approach

1784
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 27: to the big problems in Asia which make a war

1785
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 27: more likely. And we're not just talking about a war

1786
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 27: like Iraq or Afghanistan. We're talking about a major regional

1787
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 27: war between great powers which could easily go nuclear. So

1788
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 27: I think as we approach the big questions that both

1789
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 27: Australia and New Zealand face over the decades and to come,

1790
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 27: and some of those some of those questions are right

1791
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 27: with us now, we have to be very conscious that

1792
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 27: doing whatever we can to minimize that risk of conflict.

1793
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 3: Is it not possible that the conflict happens anyway, regardless

1794
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 3: of what we do, because China has held beent on it.

1795
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 27: Well, if the conflict happens, it won't just be because

1796
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 27: China's help bent on it. It's because both the US

1797
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 27: and China are engaged in this very intense strategic contest

1798
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 27: over which of them will be the primary power in

1799
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 27: East Asia and the Western Pacific in the decades to come,

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 27: and both sides are conveying the message that they're willing

1801
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 27: to go to war in order to get their way.

1802
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 27: Either side wants conflict, of course, but both sides hope

1803
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 27: that by declaring that they're willing to go to war,

1804
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 27: the other side will back off. And there's always a

1805
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 27: risk in that kind of game that one of them

1806
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 27: will call the others bluff. And I think that's a

1807
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 27: very dangerous situation now whether it makes any difference what

1808
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 27: we think. I think these are huge forces which have

1809
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 27: a dynamic of their own, but I think it is

1810
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 27: work for the underlying reason why there's risk of war

1811
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 27: is there is that the US is trying to preserve

1812
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 27: its leadership role in Asia, China's trying to deprive it

1813
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 27: of it. They've both got their different visions of the

1814
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 27: way Asia should work. We Australia and New Zealand, along

1815
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 27: with other countries in the region or to have a

1816
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 27: view as to how Asia should work, and we shouldn't

1817
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 27: be shy about going out there unpromoting it. And I

1818
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 27: guess the other side of that is we shouldn't be

1819
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 27: recklessly or negligently without really thinking about it porting approaches

1820
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 27: to the future of Asia which make a war more likely.

1821
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that, even without UCUS, that

1822
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,879
Speaker 3: China and the US end up in a war potentially?

1823
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 27: Oh yes, I think that's a real procession in which.

1824
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 3: Case is Australia not an ally of the US. We

1825
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: certainly are, So you're going to go to war if

1826
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: the Yanks go to get.

1827
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 27: Well, not necessarily, I mean the alliance we have with

1828
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 27: the United States is not, for example, like the way

1829
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 27: NATO works. We're in NATO.

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01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,440
Speaker 3: You're not obligated, are you, Well, we're not obligated.

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01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 27: The way that NATO allies are NATO worked very differently

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01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 27: from the way that our alliance with the US works,

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01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 27: because what happened to NATO was that is, the various members,

1834
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 27: including the United States and its European allies, really committed

1835
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,480
Speaker 27: themselves in advance in the event of a particular scenario.

1836
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 27: Is they absolutely committed themselves that their forces would do

1837
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 27: this on this dat It well, it is. And the

1838
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 27: reason why the NATO built that very dense set of

1839
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 27: very specific and concrete commitments was precisely that that was

1840
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 27: necessary to convince the Soviets that the Americans and their

1841
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 27: allies really would fight in Asia. We never built in

1842
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 27: our relationship with United States. We never built that kind

1843
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 27: of dense network of commitments because the deterrant imperative wasn't

1844
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 27: so great, because the threat wasn't so great.

1845
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: You've got it.

1846
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 3: Is it possible though, that you know, you've got the States, Australia,

1847
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 3: New Zealand, Japan, and you start to build this wall

1848
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: around China and it can be a deterrent. Well, if

1849
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 3: it really.

1850
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 27: If those states were really working together, and if the

1851
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 27: United States was really doing what was necessary, then I

1852
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 27: think a deterrent could be established. But I don't think

1853
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 27: the United States is doing nearly enough to do that.

1854
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 27: If you look back over the last twenty five years,

1855
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 27: and particularly over the last ten years, America's military position

1856
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 27: relative to China's in the Western Pacific has deteriorated very significantly,

1857
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 27: not because American forces have got smaller, because Chinese forces

1858
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 27: have grown so much stronger. Now, if America was really

1859
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 27: serious about the tour the Chinese, they'd have matched what

1860
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 27: China was doing to preserve their superiority, and they just

1861
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 27: haven't done that. And likewise, you know, if the Japanese

1862
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 27: were really serious about supporting the United States in deterring China,

1863
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 27: they have really committed themselves the way the NATO powterners did.

1864
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: Make the same argument, you guys are provoking China.

1865
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 27: Well, I don't think it's true that what we're doing.

1866
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 27: Should say what the United States is doing is provoking China.

1867
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 27: China has got its own reasons for wanting to push

1868
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 27: America out of Asia and take its place as the

1869
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 27: leading power so I think, you know, I think it's

1870
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 27: not as though there are good guys and bad guys here.

1871
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 27: The two sides are both trying to pursue their objectives.

1872
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 27: But I think the problem with the Americans is that

1873
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 27: they're talking tough to the Chinese, but they're not doing

1874
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 27: nearly enough to give that deterrent real substance, and neither

1875
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 27: of the Japanese.

1876
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 3: Do you think the Chinese trying to take Taiwan?

1877
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 27: I think there's a good chance that the Chinese will

1878
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 27: decide sometime over the next few years to make a

1879
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 27: move against Taiwan in the hope and expectation that the

1880
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 27: United States will in the end back off Will Will

1881
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 27: Will squib It should the I think they should because

1882
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 27: I don't think they can win a war over Taiwan,

1883
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 27: and I therefore think it's very unwise of them to

1884
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 27: threaten to fight one, because if you get your bluff called,

1885
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 27: which is what we're talking about, then that destroys your credibility.

1886
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: So we need to give up Taiwan. Well, I don't,

1887
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: I mean the democratic war.

1888
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 27: Well, I think we have to make a very tough choice.

1889
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 4: That is, do we.

1890
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 27: Step back and allow the Chinese to take Taiwan, or

1891
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 27: do we launch a war which we won't win, yes,

1892
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 27: and which could easily go nuclear. Now, no one should

1893
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 27: imagine that this is not a very painful choice. Indeed,

1894
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 27: but we shouldn't be unrealistic about it. And the worst

1895
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 27: thing we can do is to promise that Taiwanese will

1896
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 27: be there to help them, and then when the time comes,

1897
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 27: we say, changed our mind. Ye, And I think we're

1898
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,480
Speaker 27: in that worst of both world situations.

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01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 3: You are you sure that you're not overegging what we're doing.

1900
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we're only talking about joining Pellar two. It's

1901
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 3: not that big a deal.

1902
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 27: No very important point. I don't think orcus itself is

1903
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 27: in itself a very significant part of this bigger picture.

1904
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 27: But it is important, certainly from Australia's point of view.

1905
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 27: I don't presume to tell New Zealand what to do.

1906
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 27: But from Australia's point of view, what we're doing by

1907
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 27: signing up to AUCUS, by supporting it so strongly, is

1908
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 27: very much signaling to the United States and to the

1909
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 27: rest of the world that we support the United States

1910
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 27: in trying to push back against China and being willing

1911
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 27: to go to war with China if that's necessary to

1912
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 27: do so, and I think that's the wrong approach to

1913
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 27: what we might call the China problem. China does want

1914
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 27: to become more powerful and influential in the region. That

1915
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 27: is a bit of a worry for countries like us,

1916
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 27: But I don't think the American approach to it is

1917
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 27: going to work, and I think it does carry the

1918
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 27: dangers of escalation and conflict that we've talked about. And

1919
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 27: I therefore think that what we need to be said

1920
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 27: to the United States is not yes, we're completely behind you,

1921
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 27: and orcus is our kind of you know, symbol of

1922
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 27: that we should be saying to the United States. Look,

1923
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 27: we live in a new era. China has now got

1924
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 27: an economy that's as big as yours. You can't presume

1925
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 27: that you're going to continue to have the same kind

1926
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 27: of leadership role in Asia that you used to have

1927
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 27: when China's economy was smaller than Australia's, which it used

1928
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 27: to be, and not you in a few decades ago.

1929
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 27: So what we need to say to be saying to

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01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 27: you America is now, look, we want you guys to

1931
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 27: stay around. We want you to play a valuable role

1932
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 27: in Asia, but we don't want you trying to dominate

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Speaker 27: Asia the way you used to, because the Chinese aren't

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Speaker 27: going to copy it, and your efforts to do so

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Speaker 27: are provocative and potentially disastrous because you're talking tough, you're

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Speaker 27: going through all emotions, but you're not actually doing what's

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Speaker 27: required to concrete military terms, to put real substance into that.

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Speaker 27: And so Ucus is a symbol. The choice we make

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Speaker 27: about Augus is a symbol about whether we go along

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Speaker 27: with what America is doing and support them in an

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Speaker 27: approach which I think is mistaken, or whether we instead

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Speaker 27: go to them and say, let's do something different, let's

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Speaker 27: be more realistic about where Asia is going.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Hugh, thank you. I really appreciate your running through

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Speaker 3: that for us. There's a lot of curly stuff there

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Speaker 3: for us to think about. That's Hugh White, Emeritus Professor

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Speaker 3: of Strategic Studies at the Australian National University, Bad News.

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Speaker 3: It does look like we are out of the race,

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Speaker 3: whether we are actually just not running, like not participating

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Speaker 3: in the triathlon, or just so far back that it's

1951
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Speaker 3: not realistic. We are out of the race. At last

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Speaker 3: point that we're aware of, we were at fourteenth in

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Speaker 3: the mixed triathlon, which puts US at least a minute

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Speaker 3: behind the pace, if not more, because the twelfth is

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Speaker 3: a minute behind the pace. We'll go to the UK

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Speaker 3: next sixteen away from seven, everything.

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Speaker 2: From SMEs to the big corporates of the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

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Speaker 2: for SME.

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Speaker 1: US talks B.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then maybe we just need to let the Taiwanese

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Speaker 3: decide who they go with. I don't think it works

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Speaker 3: like that anymore. I don't think it works like that

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Speaker 3: at all when China wants you and I look, here's

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Speaker 3: let's be honest about this. Let's be realistic about this.

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Speaker 3: What's the water space between Taiwan and China Like it's

1967
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Speaker 3: you could swim it, like it is so tiny?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: If China wants to take Taiwan, ain't nothing we can

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Speaker 3: do about. And we're probably just going to have to

1971
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Speaker 3: do what Hugh said, which is unfortunately, give them over

1972
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Speaker 3: and just give it up and I don't know, open

1973
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Speaker 3: the place up for refugees or something like that. Twelve

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Speaker 3: away from seven, with US now out of the UK's

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Speaker 3: I corresponding k Oliver, HEYK, Hello, Heather, are we expecting

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Speaker 3: another night of these riots.

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously we've had a day here of crime and

1978
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Speaker 5: crimein and all sorts of chaos going on. The Prime

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Speaker 5: Minister has called an emergency meeting in Downing Street today

1980
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Speaker 5: of Cobra who we'll be looking at ways to tackle

1981
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Speaker 5: this rioting. We've got a bit of hot weather as

1982
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,560
Speaker 5: well which is flaming the fire. But it seems that

1983
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Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty people have now been arrested. We've

1984
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Speaker 5: had further attacks on asylum seeker hotels and the feeling

1985
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Speaker 5: is that unless solutions that are put in place fast,

1986
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Speaker 5: this is going to carry on. In the vein that

1987
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,839
Speaker 5: we saw yesterday, which to be honest, was really frightening.

1988
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Speaker 5: The police came under attack, camera crews attacked, people frightened

1989
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Speaker 5: to leave their homes. We had people really been set

1990
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Speaker 5: on fire thrust towards the police. There's one terrifying picture

1991
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Speaker 5: of a line of police with their riot shields up

1992
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Speaker 5: outside the Holiday and Express in Rotherham where the protesters

1993
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 5: were picking up scaffolding fence posts and they were all

1994
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 5: being thrown at these police who were doing their best

1995
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Speaker 5: to hold off the attacks, but a lot of them

1996
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Speaker 5: ended up in hospital. Header so we wait to see.

1997
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Speaker 5: And of course the sad thing about all of this

1998
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Speaker 5: is that it started with these horrific incident, these stabbings

1999
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Speaker 5: in Southport a week ago today and this has just

2000
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Speaker 5: escalated and I think those young victims of the attack

2001
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 5: have almost been forgotten in what has now exploded into

2002
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 5: these riots.

2003
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Speaker 3: Is it possible to bring in more least to help

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Speaker 3: these guys.

2005
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Speaker 5: Out, Well, there are apparently there are one hundred and

2006
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 5: twenty thousand police across the UK who will be available.

2007
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 5: They're also calls for the army to be drafted in.

2008
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 5: Now how that's all going to move forward is something else.

2009
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 5: But the police really had their backs against the wall

2010
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 5: in this, and not least other factions adjoining in with

2011
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 5: these protests. So you've got the far right thugs a

2012
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 5: secure Starmer is calling them. Then you've got the anti

2013
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 5: racist protesters and you've just got the police in the

2014
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 5: middle of it. I think in Bolton another really serious

2015
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 5: protests broke out where obviously the Muslim supporters were on

2016
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Speaker 5: one side, you've got the far right on the other

2017
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Speaker 5: and it got very very nasty there.

2018
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Speaker 3: You're pretty worrying, Steff. Hey, I see you guys have

2019
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 3: got a shortage of ozempics, So what are people buying instead?

2020
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Speaker 5: Then, well, they're going on to the obviously online to

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01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 5: find these drugs. I'm not sure anyone really knows what's

2022
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Speaker 5: in them. They're almost saying that they are a zemp

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01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 5: but it's turning out their fake drugs. There's a shortage

2024
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 5: this drug of zempig and wega v, which were originally

2025
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 5: I think they came out to tell people with type

2026
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Speaker 5: two diabetes. But the weight loss that they are giving

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01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 5: people is dramatic. So people have jumped on the bandwagon,

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Speaker 5: and celebrities are almost flaunting their fifty kilogram weight loss

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Speaker 5: or whatever it is. So people are desperate to get

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Speaker 5: hold of this drug, particularly in the summer. They want

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Speaker 5: to look thin on the beach, and they're going online.

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Speaker 5: They're almost turning to these so called quack doctors and

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Speaker 5: taking these jabs which they're buying in syringes online. And

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Speaker 5: we've had one woman who's ended up very seriously only

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Speaker 5: in hospital with them. So yeah, it's perhaps not good

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Speaker 5: to get unless it's a legitimate doctor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good advice. I think also should just be

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Speaker 3: common scenes. Hey, so this guy who who has a

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Speaker 3: pub in Wales has stopped people from singing in wealth

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Speaker 3: for why.

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Speaker 5: Well, he said, this is a guy called Jarrard who's

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Speaker 5: run the pub. It's called the Bluebell in Conway in

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Speaker 5: North Wales. He isn't running this pub for eleven years now.

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Speaker 5: He said that he doesn't want people singing in Welsh,

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Speaker 5: which is obviously the home language, because it's too noisy.

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Speaker 5: And he had thirty thirty people and almost in a

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Speaker 5: choir singing in his pub and a lot of the

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Speaker 5: diners were not finishing their food, they were getting up

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Speaker 5: and they were just leaving. He has said he is

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Speaker 5: not really standing down on this. He doesn't like loud

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Speaker 5: people and basically he sees singing almost on a par

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Speaker 5: with vaping and smoking in a pub. So not happy.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the choir who left were happy either,

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Speaker 5: But there you go. Don't sing in a pub in Wales.

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Speaker 5: There's a welch.

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Speaker 3: Very good point, Kay, Thank you very much appreciated. Kay,

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Speaker 3: all of our UK correspondent here the good luck swimming

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty k's from China to Taiwan. Yeah,

2059
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I was talking about the Olympians, not myself.

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Speaker 3: I could swimming they could swim it. I had away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's micro microbe or just playing economics, all on

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Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR.

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Speaker 1: The HR platform for seme used top.

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Speaker 3: It is five away from six ers and I need

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01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:11,600
Speaker 3: to talk to you about what's going on with the

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01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 3: young kids and the skincare regimes. I think this is

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01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 3: kind of weird. So apparently young kids as young and

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 3: when I say young, I mean as young as nine,

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01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 3: which I think is really really young, really really into

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Speaker 3: skincare regimes. And so as a result, they're going to

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01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 3: places like what is it. Is it called Sephora? Is

2073
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 3: that what it's called? And Mecca, and they're buying They're

2074
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,879
Speaker 3: going in then they're buying skin care products and apparently

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01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 3: the reason and that buying lots of it. By the way,

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01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 3: they're doing the whole shebang, like they're going for like

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01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, serums and ice I creams and face

2078
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,839
Speaker 3: masks and all the stuff that you know, like I'm

2079
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 3: turning forty this year, I don't even bother. What are

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01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 3: you doing with it when you're nine years old? Well,

2081
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 3: what they're doing with it is they're watching social media

2082
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 3: that's the problem in it. So the influences heaps of

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01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 3: these companies are now putting a lot of money into

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01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 3: social media and paying influences to hype these brands. And

2085
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 3: of course when they're hyping them on a place like TikTok,

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01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of young kids on TikTok who

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01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: are now watching it as well, and so as a result,

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01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 3: the nine year old sees it there and then wants it.

2089
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 3: So this is an influence to sharing their skincare routines online.

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01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Every morning.

2091
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: I have a set skincare routine that I do first.

2092
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 21: I start off with washing my face.

2093
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 24: I use this Pietro Simone purifying cleanser.

2094
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 2: I like to keep my skincare routine short but effective

2095
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 2: to start long.

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01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Come Jenniefig serum. Okay, this is very hydrating. What are

2097
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 3: you even I don't understand the stuff. Anyway, this is

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01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 3: a child trying to copy it.

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01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 2: I already cleanse my face, so that was step one.

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Speaker 14: Starting to be using this.

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01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 21: Next it's a clemask.

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Speaker 16: Fell should go buy this my sudden serum.

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01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 27: This is my drunk elephant one.

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01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Anyway, apparently drunk elephant is the one

2105
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 3: that they're into. They also love summer Fridays and glow

2106
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 3: recipe and dermatologist in Auckland reckons that she's seen heapes

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01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 3: of young people coming in they have bad reactions because

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01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 3: not iosed to put this crap on their faces yet

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01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 3: as they have bad reactions. So anyway, take the kids

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Speaker 3: off social media, don't buy them the serums.

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Speaker 24: And our good news though herether it means that parents

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01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 24: are getting a lot more liberal about pocket money. If

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01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 24: that's the case, because I'll tell you what I would

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Speaker 24: not when I was nine, when I would not have

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Speaker 24: been able to get anything.

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Speaker 3: If I got myself one of those Chapper chups, I

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Speaker 3: would have been happy.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, absolutely, and these are a bit more expensive than

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Speaker 24: chubber hups. Adele, easy on me to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 24: You remember that trick the Killers pulled where they stopped

2121
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 24: their concerts briefly to play the end of the England

2122
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 24: football game. Adele has ripped it off, and she has

2123
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 24: broadcast the eleven second one hundred meter women's final from

2124
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Speaker 24: the Olympics for everyone to watch just and then congratulated

2125
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 24: the winner from Saint Lucia and then moved on with

2126
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Speaker 24: the gig. I think we might be steeing the start

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Speaker 24: of a trend here.

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Speaker 3: You can't stop a good idea, a absolutely catch on

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Speaker 3: as too bad ideas so hard to know which one

2130
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Speaker 3: it is. And thank you, appreciate it. See you tomorrow

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Speaker 3: News Talks.

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