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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 1: Do for c Ellen heathern do for Cllen? The huddle

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Speaker 1: and with me?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Is Thomas Scrimger Maximum Institute. And Joseph Gani, CEO of

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Speaker 1: Child Fund. How are you too? Hello, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have to get it. We're having a mayor of it

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Speaker 1: with the computer system today, so one of you. If

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Speaker 1: this thing doesn't work, next time, I designate you Josie,

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Speaker 1: as having to do it. Josie, okay, yeah, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: There is abscrape fury coming at me, Josie on the

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Speaker 1: text machine over the unpaid unpaid work interview? Did you

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Speaker 1: hear that interview?

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Speaker 3: I did, and I would like to plead my nolling toto.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk from my truth, yes, not my husband's truth,

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Speaker 3: and I can't comment on specifics. I have signed an

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Speaker 3: MDA with him, yes, and there has been no formal investigation.

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Speaker 1: You are doing the lion's share of the work, and

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Speaker 1: ain't nobody paying for you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I am, and sing as my husband's out of the country,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw all that away that when

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Speaker 3: our kids were small, I did do most of the

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Speaker 3: washing and he's never acknowledged it, never acknowledges it. And

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Speaker 3: I did do most of the cleaning, even though when

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Speaker 3: I was working we had a cleaner. But look, the

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Speaker 3: one tip I would give woman with this is get

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Speaker 3: your husband to do the cleaning when you've had an argument,

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Speaker 3: not not after the argument, when you're making up, but

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Speaker 3: that he was a really good cleaner, and he polish

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Speaker 3: that bloody bathroom with a top so.

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Speaker 1: You get so spring clean done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've had an argument, you've got to do

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Speaker 3: it during the argument, not after.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after that, don't care anymore. Thomas, are you in

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Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman?

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Speaker 2: I did hear that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who does the majority of everything in the house.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I might have to plead the fifth on

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Speaker 2: interesting thing with these measures of domestic labor because they

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Speaker 2: really good thing that you can measure. It kind of

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Speaker 2: makes visible things that are often invisible and underacknowledged. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, it might actually have some use when talking

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Speaker 2: but perhaps very few mothers would consider time with their

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Speaker 2: how they ought to organize their lives, rather than to

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Speaker 2: recognizing the choices people make.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to kids for the time spent with them? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because some of it was really boring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas, are you suggesting that women love spending time

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far here.

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Speaker 1: But I'm very careful that there are some angry, hormonal

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Speaker 3: With right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say you do a lot of work in

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Speaker 1: Rephrase that, Thomas and say, Heather, you do all the

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Speaker 2: And no one could pay you enough to do it.

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Speaker 2: It's only a labor of love, the.

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Speaker 3: Find your one of a kind?

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Speaker 1: Right, you're back on the huddle. It's thirteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: I've got Thomas and Josie Thomas. How is it possible

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Speaker 1: that the Netball New Zealand Dame Noles crisis has actually

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's remarkable. It seems the whole process has

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Speaker 2: you better be sure everything is above board.

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Speaker 1: You're not.

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Speaker 2: You know, this isn't junior coach stuff. She's already got

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Speaker 2: I was really impressed, Dan noling Toto. I did come

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Speaker 2: she clearly has a sense of I guess do these

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Speaker 2: other parties involved. It's not just personal for her, but

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Speaker 2: I don't see where the CEO and the board go

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, like, honestly, Josie, how do you stand

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Speaker 3: So anyone who's been through this as an employer or

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Speaker 1: They put out a statement to clarify that that is

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Speaker 3: As mental and so you can't do that right even

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Speaker 3: So it's just been an absolute cluster from beginning to end.

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Speaker 1: Totally, Yeah, totally. I think you're on Thomas, You're on

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Speaker 1: the money. I agree with you. I think that the

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Speaker 1: Z Energy get getting in trouble for that greenwashing?

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Speaker 2: You know, we might hope to move away from a

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Speaker 1: Well said, I agree with him, Josie, what about you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's always it's been the petrol companies and airlines.

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Speaker 3: but also the whole ESG movements. It was environment social governance.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't actually affect their bottom line at all. What

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Speaker 3: they didn't do that because that's going to cost them money.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's just the general sense of cynicism

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Speaker 3: you're just bullshitting us, you know, and you're doing.

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Speaker 1: ESG is yesterday's business, right, What is the new ESG?

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting because working for a charity, if we say,

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Speaker 3: we have to prove it, right, We have to show it,

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Speaker 3: prove it with data, with evidence. Corporates when they say

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Speaker 3: on whether they're doing it. So what you're finding that

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Speaker 3: corporates are doing now is that they're moving away from

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Speaker 3: ESG and they're looking at, say, charities that do something

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Speaker 3: that aligns with what they do, and they go, well,

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Speaker 3: we're actually going to fund these guys to do it

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Speaker 3: because they know what they're doing and they have to

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Speaker 3: report on it, and we're going to stop pretending we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, thank you a pretty she had it so much,

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Speaker 1: pair of you. That's Thomas Scrimger, Joseph ganni Our, Hutle

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Speaker 1: this evening. The new is ESG. The point I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to make is it's all over the wokie stuff. The

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Speaker 1: new ESG is energy security and geostrategy. That's all people

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Speaker 1: care about.

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