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Speaker 1: Joe McKenna, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm you're watching them drop like flies as

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Speaker 1: we speak. Let me get to the resignations this game.

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Speaker 1: Are the resignations that quitting the problems the issues? Are

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Speaker 1: they all directly tied to the referendum or are they

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Speaker 1: completely separate.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely tied to the referendum. We're seeing a blood bath.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Georgia Maloney is on the warpath and she

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Speaker 2: wants to clean up any mess that is potentially damaging

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Speaker 2: to her future as a prime minister.

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Speaker 1: Right, So let's deal with the refereenum. First of all,

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Speaker 1: she lost it. I'm the reading I did was and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it, you know, over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of it suggested it was a difficult question for people

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Speaker 1: to get their head around. Is that fear or not?

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Speaker 2: That was partly it. I think it's important to remember

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Speaker 2: for many Italians the constitution is really sancrosanct and they

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Speaker 2: don't want it to be touched in the first place.

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Speaker 2: These reforms were a little bit muddy and it looked

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Speaker 2: like a grab for power by the Maloney government. But

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Speaker 2: on top of that, I think there were other factors,

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Speaker 2: particularly for young people, a lot of disillusionment about Maloney's

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Speaker 2: close relationship to the US President Donald Trump. They didn't

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Speaker 2: like that, as well as the proposed constitutional change, and

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Speaker 2: so the young people in particular were the biggest surprise here, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Sixty one percent of Generation Z turned out to vote

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Speaker 2: on this reform.

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Speaker 1: It was about sixty percent overall. I think is that

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Speaker 1: a good number for a referendum.

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Speaker 2: That's almost a record in Italy. People were turning out

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Speaker 2: in huge numbers, both yes and no.

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Speaker 1: So they were exercised right, So the Tourism minister is

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Speaker 1: just gone. Who else is going?

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Speaker 2: Well? We've also had two other resignations in the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. There's the Justice Minister's chief of staff,

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Speaker 2: who was saying some pretty outrageous things during the campaign,

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Speaker 2: and also the Justice Minister's under secretary, Andrea del Mastro.

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Speaker 2: Now that is something that Georgia Maloney should have cleaned

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Speaker 2: up well before the referendum. He has been linked to

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Speaker 2: a scandal business links with a restaurant that's linked to

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Speaker 2: the Naples mafia. So that was making headlines. How can

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Speaker 2: you run a referendum on justice reform if you've got

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Speaker 2: someone like that in the Justice ministry.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not a bad sort of question. Is the

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Speaker 1: government in trouble.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit early to tell. As we've talked

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Speaker 2: about many times, Georgia Maloney had a very strong lead

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Speaker 2: over the opposition. The opposition parties are still weak, and

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Speaker 2: a sign of that, I think is as soon as

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Speaker 2: we've got the referendum results, instead of saying she should go,

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Speaker 2: we're demanding her resignation, they were saying, oh, we better

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Speaker 2: get our act together and start running some primaries. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so I think they've got a bit of work to

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Speaker 2: do there too.

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Speaker 1: Interesting she's in Algeria, so just what's happening with your

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Speaker 1: petrol and your royalty, your heating and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Are people freaking out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of panic going on, and I

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Speaker 2: think she had that on her skin, but I think

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Speaker 2: it was something she seized on as well to resume

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Speaker 2: her role as the international statesman. So she was in

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Speaker 2: Algeria trying to negotiate a new energy deal. They've had disruption,

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Speaker 2: of course, in the supply of gas from Kata and

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Speaker 2: it looks like they've reached a deal on that today,

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Speaker 2: but still a lot of panic. I think about where

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Speaker 2: Italy is going to get its energy sources.

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Speaker 1: What's your big problem? Is it oil or get I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously it's both, but as oil gets the bigger of

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Speaker 1: the problems.

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Speaker 2: A bit of both. Algeria has become one of Italy's

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Speaker 2: top gas suppliers. Before Italy was very dependent on Russian

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Speaker 2: gas before the Moscow invasion of Ukraine. Algeria now accounts

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Speaker 2: for thirty percent of gas consumption in Italy. So it's

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Speaker 2: pretty important.

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Speaker 1: Is it springtime? You're feeling warmed? Is this something to

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Speaker 1: talk about? Joe?

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Speaker 2: I had a feeling you'd asked me about that. Today

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Speaker 2: was beautiful, but I'm seeing that the temperature is going

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Speaker 2: to drop about ten degrees in the next couple of day.

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Speaker 1: Oh, for goodness sake, I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nice to see you, Joe mckinna in Italy.

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Speaker 1: Springtime in Italy, by the way, So isn't it funny?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? When Trump arrived in power the Eastern

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